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DNR and LC announced a new one-sided peaceful action

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Republics of Donbass declared their readiness to unilaterally withdraw the 3 km from the contact line of weapons with a caliber less than 100 mm. This newspaper reports Look.



“Demonstrating our commitment to the Minsk agreements, we are ready to take the next step towards peace. To do this, take your units with tanks and armored vehicles equipped with guns up to 100 mm in caliber, from the contact line to a distance of at least 3 kilometers. I will make a reservation right away that we are ready to do this on the entire front, with the exception of problem areas, ”said the head of the DPR, Alexander Zakharchenko. - Now these are areas north of Donetsk and Debaltseve. Together they make up only 10-12% of the length of the demarcation line. ”

For these problem areas, Donetsk is “ready to conduct a dialogue, but only with those representatives of the Ukrainian side who have real power and authority there.”

In Lugansk, the initiative was supported. "The leadership of the Luhansk People's Republic supports the initiative of the Donetsk Republic to speed up the normalization of the situation in the Donbas," said the representative of the republic, Vladislav Daney.

“For our part, we are ready to withdraw all our military equipment and artillery in caliber to 100 mm at a distance of at least 3 kilometers from the contact line. The only exception for us is the district of Happiness, from where we will be ready to withdraw the remaining equipment and weapons only after the Ukrainian side fulfills similar obligations in other areas, ”he said.

The representative of the LNR added that the authorities of the republic intend to invite OSCE observers to the area to create a permanent observation point there.

At the same time, the head of the DPR, Zakharchenko, reported on the build-up of Kiev by the grouping of troops in the Donbas. “At present, more than 70 of thousands of Ukrainian military personnel are concentrated along the line of demarcation. Every day this number grows, ”he said.

According to him, Ukraine demonstrates an unwillingness to resolve the conflict peacefully. “At the last meeting in Minsk, the issue of the withdrawal of weapons was discussed. Ukraine rejected the contract, saying that tanks and mortars should be left, ”said Zakharchenko.
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  1. sever.56
    sever.56 19 July 2015 11: 05
    +20
    Yes, dill spit on all the peace initiatives of the DNI and LC. They both did not observe the truce, and will not. And they can perceive actions to withdraw the forces of New Russia as weakness. They will do what Obama commands them. And he does not need peace in the Donbass. All leverage over Russia will be lost.
    1. Koloradovatnik
      Koloradovatnik 19 July 2015 11: 10
      +12
      I don’t understand something - what does the leadership of Novorossia want? To the total superiority of ukroarmiya at the front?
      It seriously believes that its "peace initiatives" will prove to Kiev and its American masters loyalty to the Minsk agreement ... pah, the agreement?
      1. Alex_Rarog
        Alex_Rarog 19 July 2015 11: 26
        +7
        No friends here, it seems to me a little different! Here they show everyone watching, "We are peaceful We are not terrorists! Terror and genocide are on that line" no matter how much they pay the corrupt magazines and no matter how they block the information, but it will all reach Europe and then the population of those countries where there is still no way to think have forgotten how to ask and "why do we support the fascists-punishers? After all, in Germany for a" ridge "you can thunder into jail!"
        1. aleks700
          aleks700 19 July 2015 14: 35
          +2
          No friends here, it seems to me a little different! Here they show everyone watching, "We are peaceful. We are not terrorists! Terror and genocide are on that line."
          So it is, but to whom to prove? Everything has already been decided there and they spit on all peace-loving actions.
          1. Azovian
            Azovian 19 July 2015 23: 38
            +3
            It takes a soul. Goosebumps on the back. http://vena45.livejournal.com/4129284.html
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      3. lis-ik
        lis-ik 19 July 2015 11: 27
        +12
        The leadership of New Russia takes an example from the leadership of the Russian Federation, in terms of wagging backwards in front of the west.
        1. SHILO
          SHILO 19 July 2015 14: 26
          +6
          Quote: lis-ik
          The leadership of New Russia takes an example from the leadership of the Russian Federation, in terms of wagging backwards in front of the west.


          Who takes away, and who brings. Today the brother called from Donetsk. He says that yesterday they laid down Donetsk and Makeevka so that he remembered the winter ... And today this news and silence on Russian channels. They do not give either victory or death - they only torment.
        2. aleks700
          aleks700 19 July 2015 14: 37
          +4
          The leadership of New Russia takes an example from the leadership of the Russian Federation, in terms of wagging backwards in front of the west.
          Yes, he doesn’t, but obeys directly.
      4. Snake AAA
        Snake AAA 19 July 2015 11: 27
        +6
        I also agree with you somewhere, excuse BUT the withdrawal of troops from the contact line shows the world a real picture of who is striving for peace and who is constantly shooting peace blocks, it’s clear that our militias are not easy but Europe cannot close their eyes to all the peace initiatives of the DPR and the LPR whether they are or not, but you can’t run away from the truth and it annoys them !!!
        1. lis-ik
          lis-ik 19 July 2015 11: 32
          +10
          I also thought about this demonstration, but as much as possible, because the guilty party has already been appointed since last year, why all this if nobody cares!
          1. little girl15
            little girl15 19 July 2015 12: 26
            -2
            And what do you suggest? Start an offensive? But the mattresses have long been waiting for this, in order to accuse Russia of escalating tensions in the Donbass.
            1. aleks700
              aleks700 19 July 2015 14: 41
              +5
              And what do you suggest? Start an offensive? But the mattresses have long been waiting for this, in order to accuse Russia of escalating tensions in the Donbass.
              Now who is being blamed? To Poland? And Lithuania!
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      5. hrych
        hrych 19 July 2015 11: 36
        +11
        Calmly, now time is dragging on, PS, Parasha and Benya have come to insoluble contradictions, if Benya is even smarter, plus a hostage of his wealth, then Yarosh and others are outspoken psychopaths, plus this pack of nigelists did not receive anything except free prostheses, which means she will lose again there is nothing. The West is forcing Parashnik himself to go for decentralization, he signed amendments to the Constitution (otherwise they would not have given money) and it is necessary to drive this through the ASU. Naturally, the insane people on the right will accuse him of treason and a real massacre will begin in Kiev, under Yanukovych these psychos had bottles of gasoline and clubs, now AK and RPG. You need to be patient a little. Novorossians are doing provocative promotions, putting Kiev in an awkward position. Also, the EU is now very concerned about Greece because the EU and the Eurozone are on the verge of collapse, respectively, not to the outskirts, so they are putting pressure on Parasha. Endurance and perseverance have always distinguished the Russian soldier among the psychopathic Pravosek people, and their Romanian-Magyar genes have neither one nor the other, so they will "spoil" everything.
        1. SHILO
          SHILO 19 July 2015 14: 28
          +2
          Quote: hrych
          The West makes Parashnik himself go for decentralization, he signed amendments to the Constitution ...


          Laughter, not amendment, he signed.
          1. hrych
            hrych 19 July 2015 14: 53
            +4
            Yes, no one is going to fulfill them either in the East or in the West, but we are waiting for fights in Kiev.
      6. skeptic
        skeptic 19 July 2015 21: 40
        +1
        Quote: Colorado
        I don’t understand something - what is the leadership of New Russia striving for?


        Let's try to dream up. The main charges against the republics are "escalation of shelling". Covering the eyes of the West on the atrocities of the ukrobandots allow the ukrobandots to shoot with impunity. Weakening the defense of the militia can spur the podburzhuynikov to attack. Significant penetration removes the Minsk "obligations" from the republics, and then ...
    2. Will
      Will 19 July 2015 11: 47
      +3
      Everything is done not for the sake of the Kiev authorities, but for the sake of isolating the "foolishness" of the West and the United States. I hope that this takes into account the possibility not to "go too far" before it "breaks down", when the return is simply impossible.
      1. Snake AAA
        Snake AAA 19 July 2015 11: 50
        -7
        You know that GDP will not allow this !!! And he knows the limit of this stick like no one!
    3. Sasha 19871987
      Sasha 19871987 19 July 2015 12: 53
      +3
      You cannot believe greasy parasites, this is a fact ... let the guys from the DNI and LC be more careful ... last year there were also cease-fires ... who violated ??? right ... clowns from kiev
    4. Asadullah
      Asadullah 19 July 2015 13: 10
      +4
      Yes, dill spit on all the peace initiatives of the DNI and LC


      Undoubtedly. Moreover, it will be regarded as a manifestation of weakness. From there, these actions are designed for Europeans. And of course, this step could not have been made without some guarantees from the person concerned. After the diplomatic drill, everything will be back to normal.
  2. cat pest
    cat pest 19 July 2015 11: 06
    +17
    A normal person understands when they meet him and knows the word compromise. Dill will be perceived as a manifestation of weakness.
    If this is not a tricky move to lure a group of ukrov into another boiler, then the latest initiatives of the DPR and LPR look strange. The phrase was especially touched:
    Despite the difficult military-political situation in Ukraine, we do not intend to use this advantage and provoke a new round of conflict development.

    War is not a jousting tournament. If you do not take advantage of the weakness of the enemy, then he uses your weakness.
    Those who take away armored vehicles think that Kiev is carrying out the 6th "grave" in order to give the peasants a rest from home in the camps?
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 19 July 2015 11: 28
      +1
      There is no need for kipish muzhiki .. This is a diversion for the "world community" .. Ukrainians are firing in the cities godlessly and everyone is silent .. I think this will be the last warning ..! And then .. Patience bursts and .. in the "cockerels" feathers will fly .. No offense!
      1. voadmin
        voadmin 19 July 2015 13: 57
        +7
        Yes, these last Chinese warnings were stopitsot ... Those in power are interested in jamming the conflict by any means.
      2. voronbel53
        voronbel53 19 July 2015 15: 16
        0
        Meehan, I'm for it. Everyone sees what lies on the surface, no one will bother us in all the subtleties of the game, but one thing is clear, no one showed any weakness, no surrender of positions is foreseen, nothing is done to the detriment, so there’s nothing to look for traitors ... as they say, - wait and see, - we will not run ahead of the engine ...
  3. Magic archer
    Magic archer 19 July 2015 11: 06
    +7
    The action is certainly good, but how will Kiev perceive it? As a manifestation of weakness? Moreover, Zakharchenko himself speaks of building up a group of up to 70 people.
    Psme one thought that the T-64 from the image looks like something to Merkava)?
    1. 0255
      0255 19 July 2015 11: 12
      +5
      Quote: Magic Archer
      Psme one thought that the T-64 from the image looks like something to Merkava)?

      not one wink
      1. sap
        sap 19 July 2015 11: 44
        +2
        Quote: 0255
        not one

        Think Voentorg?
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  4. Waroc
    Waroc 19 July 2015 11: 07
    +8
    to be honest, it’s some kind of incomprehensible initiative ... unless they want to provoke dill for an attack and lure them into trap - and the fact of Kiev’s aggression by face, and to try to crush presumptuous ukrofashists ... Although - anyway - it is not clear what is there and how .. .
  5. provincial
    provincial 19 July 2015 11: 07
    -3
    Can the DNI and LC sign an act of surrender? And then no one will soar the brains of the Russians.
    1. Tanais
      Tanais 19 July 2015 11: 10
      +6
      Quote: provincial
      Can the DNI and LC sign an act of surrender?

      You yourself will guess, at the command WHERE, can such a suicidal act be adopted?
      1. provincial
        provincial 19 July 2015 11: 17
        -10
        I'm not out of the guesswork.
        1. Tanais
          Tanais 19 July 2015 11: 18
          +3
          Quote: provincial
          I'm not out of the guesswork.

          Clearly, you don’t want to think ...
          1. provincial
            provincial 19 July 2015 11: 37
            +16
            Guys, don’t be naive if Russia really wanted to help these republics, would recognize them and help them politically and economically long ago, as well as sluggish work designed for many years. When Russia needs it, we quickly recognize the Georgian scenario. Why did I write that is not out of the guesswork, I'm from THINKING and ANALYZING and having their own opinion. Now at least from minus.
            1. Vitaly Anisimov
              Vitaly Anisimov 19 July 2015 12: 02
              +1
              Quote: provincial
              Now at least out of the minus.

              Minus ... As you requested! bully
            2. Vitaly Anisimov
              Vitaly Anisimov 19 July 2015 12: 41
              +1
              Quote: provincial
              Guys do not be naive if Russia really wanted to help these republics, would recognize them and help them politically and economically.

              Well, you turned down ... Russia was sanctioned and threatened from all sides .. Do you know how much the Donbass costs to us and not only financially? Would you shut up kid .. if you do not understand the situation! hi
              1. aleks700
                aleks700 19 July 2015 14: 50
                +3
                Well, you turned down ... Russia was sanctioned and threatened from all sides .. Do you know how much the Donbass costs to us and not only financially? Would you shut up kid .. if you do not understand the situation!
                Paved for the Crimea in the first place
        2. voronbel53
          voronbel53 19 July 2015 15: 21
          -4
          The provincial, say right away - stupid ... Expressed his opinion, well done, and to guess on the coffee grounds and draw far-reaching conclusions, like you, does not give you a mind.
  6. Good me
    Good me 19 July 2015 11: 07
    +13
    Already heard about this action. Yesterday in the center of Donetsk on this occasion, the APU arranged a salute ... THE PEOPLE'S CELEBRATING!

    1. KGB WATCH YOU
      KGB WATCH YOU 19 July 2015 11: 45
      +7
      Long live the Minsk agreements! Glory to "partners" Putin and Poroshenko! (well, for the company of Merkel, Oland and other scum).
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 19 July 2015 13: 16
        +1
        Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
        Long live the Minsk agreements! Glory to "partners" Putin and Poroshenko! (well, for the company of Merkel, Oland and other scum).

        Libers climbed out looking at the site ....? Glory to Israel is better to shout then ..))) bully Or am I wrong ..? wassat
        1. KGB WATCH YOU
          KGB WATCH YOU 19 July 2015 14: 39
          +3
          No, I'm not a liberal. Go to the encyclopedia, and read the definition of the word "liberal".
  7. Agent 008
    Agent 008 19 July 2015 11: 14
    +9
    Minsk-2 was buried in Kiev for a long time, and the LDNR are all "showing commitment" ... I am also sure that every such initiative of the LDNR leadership is perceived in Kiev as a manifestation of weakness by the republics! Kiev needs the complete surrender of the LDNR, and therefore all these actions to withdraw the militia units do not make sense ...
    1. Tanais
      Tanais 19 July 2015 11: 23
      +4
      Quote: Agent 008
      Minsk-2 was buried in Kiev long ago, and LDNR all "demonstrate commitment" ...

      Do you think that Zakharchenko, like that, of his own free will, "demonstrates commitment"?

      No, everything here is like in a fairy tale, "By the pike's command" ...
      1. KGB WATCH YOU
        KGB WATCH YOU 19 July 2015 11: 46
        +6
        Well, people think that Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky are deciding something and the people have chosen them. People’s republics.
  8. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 19 July 2015 11: 17
    +11
    Yes, all spat on these peace initiatives, the APU happily spit shells of all calibers, destroying everything, massive shelling is ongoing.
    Only our moronic politicians demonstrate their mental failure, present this crime to the people of Donbass as positive news.
    It doesn’t even reach the moronic that, thanks to the OSCE’s position, Russia has already been declared an aggressor and, if Novorossia is surrendered, the whole world will scream with joy and a tribunal will be arranged for you, they scoff at us, they brutally kill the population of Donbass, they killed, and those who survived will answer the number of unfinished.
  9. oof
    oof 19 July 2015 11: 21
    +6
    These are not peaceful initiatives, these are treacherous initiatives. So slowly put, before the fact of the surrender of New Russia.
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 19 July 2015 11: 42
      +1
      Quote: olf
      These are not peaceful initiatives, these are treacherous initiatives. So slowly put, before the fact of the surrender of New Russia.

      Nobody is giving up anyone ... (too much blood has been shed and money spent) The blow will be lightning fast, so that immediately (like the Crimea) .. So I think! Otherwise, this infection cannot be destroyed .. they are 1.6 million in Russia .. and everyone needs it. .Kiev also demands from Russia ... But what is simple for us to do? It’s time to give in the face, the Schaubs were remembered for 500 years! Already got svidomye ...
      1. KGB WATCH YOU
        KGB WATCH YOU 19 July 2015 11: 48
        +7
        Immediately it was impossible to make a "lightning strike"? Without tens of thousands of victims? Nobody drains, uh-huh, believe further.
        1. Aleksander
          Aleksander 19 July 2015 13: 35
          +5
          Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
          Nobody merges, yeah, believe on


          In my opinion, nevertheless, they are draining it. But gradually and with tyagomotin, which is even worse, because it leads to uncertainty and sacrifice. Gradually, because it is necessary to accustom the Russians that this is a victory, not a defeat. And, most importantly, in LDN there huge military ARMY, which almost all will go to Russia and almost certainly ASKS from Kremlin managers for betrayal. Here's what to do with her — they don’t know yet. Anyway, Russia must be defended in Moscow, and not in the Donbass ....
          1. KGB WATCH YOU
            KGB WATCH YOU 19 July 2015 14: 40
            +3
            I agree with you.
      2. Dryuya2
        Dryuya2 19 July 2015 12: 20
        -4
        Quote: MIKHAN
        No one is letting anyone go

        again a wave from the category "Putinslil" ??
        1. Do not be angry
          Do not be angry 19 July 2015 13: 07
          +11
          Quote: Dryuya2
          again a wave from the category "Putinslil" ??

          Have you ever wanted to ride a wave from the category "Putin has all outplayed"?
          I see.
          It’s just that this wave broke on a breakwater of real events in the Donbass, Iran, Syria, as well as in the world and Russian economies.
          Sorrow ...
      3. morozik
        morozik 19 July 2015 13: 57
        +4
        Yes, don’t jump high ...

    2. dyksi
      dyksi 19 July 2015 12: 48
      +4
      Interestingly, the "Somalia" battalion has been disbanded, what is it, in addition to these voluntary actions? Some units are confiscated heavy weapons, they are now simple, police officers, both in status and in weapons. While the junta is pulling together troops and intensifying shelling, the most combat-ready and shock units are being formatted in Donbass. This peacefulness has already cost the lives of thousands of Donbass residents. Ultimately, human lives are much higher than all these "Minsk agreements", which the leaders of the republics and Russia are constantly repeating as some kind of mantras and incantations. By the way, in one of the groups in VK a survey was conducted about the use of force by Russia in the Donbass. So, 60% answered for, 12% against, the interest went to options, 14% chose the column: - "Us ... and we are getting stronger. But this survey soon disappeared, probably at the request from the top.
      1. hrych
        hrych 19 July 2015 12: 57
        +7
        There is the General Staff and the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, who, by the way, won the battle for the Caucasian ridge and returned the Crimea, and in fact the Sea of ​​Azov, where the US destroyer will never enter, etc. ...
        1. Tanais
          Tanais 19 July 2015 13: 26
          +8
          Quote: hrych
          There is the General Staff and the Supreme Commander, by the way, who won the battle for the Caucasus Range and returned the Crimea, and in fact the Sea of ​​Azov, where the state destroyer will never go, etc.

          Well, about the destroyer in the Sea of ​​Azov, you, have made fun of the right ...
          If he could enter there (theoretically), then only along the fairway, which is daily cleaned by dredgers to pass ships with significant draft to the port and to Azovstal ...
          1. hrych
            hrych 19 July 2015 13: 41
            +2
            Nevertheless, in due time there were problems with Tuzla, and now it is not for nothing that these days Ukraine denounced the agreement on the Kerch Strait.
      2. morozik
        morozik 19 July 2015 14: 09
        +8
        don't fall before the shot ...

        "The official statement from the 1st Somalia OBTG: We are not disbanded! It is not known what there, I apologize, comrade Strelkov smoked a cigarette. All the journalists ate it without chewing. Please spread this statement in all media outlets."
        https://vk.com/givi.novorossia?w=wall-64310452_32751
  10. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 July 2015 11: 28
    +8
    3 km is to withdraw from the trenches zone from under shelling. Apparently, redeployment is needed, dill was targeted. Why not wrap it up in a wrapper of a peace initiative? I do not think that the militias are naive romantics, and expect retaliatory measures from the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The APU is sitting in the trenches. A lot of people. In field. Discipline falls "below the plinth." Although it was not particularly high before. And everyone knows what happens to the troops in the trenches during a prolonged lull. Rotation is needed, there is no one to conduct. And the PSs became more active. The Ministry of Internal Affairs is not enough for them. We'll have to drag combat units from the front. VSN hints - we have taken everything away, we will not attack, come on, men, jam the PSs. IMHO, as the version will do.
    1. sap
      sap 19 July 2015 11: 41
      +4
      The point of view is the place to be!
    2. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 19 July 2015 12: 30
      +7
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      VSN hints - we have all withdrawn, we will not attack, let us, men, turn off the dogs. IMHO, as the version will fit.
      Or, on the contrary, Voentorg is preparing an attack. But in order not to be seen as an aggressor, we need to legitimize the offensive.
      Therefore, it is announced that it is ready to unilaterally withdraw the 3 km from the contact line of weapons with a caliber less than 100 mm.
      On TV actively show stories about the shelling of the peaceful areas of Donbass.
      And then there's the Boeing Tribunal ..
      And therefore we are waiting for new boilers ..
      Well, and the "rescue visit" of Merkel and Hollande to Moscow ..
      So, just the version .. request
      1. Tanais
        Tanais 19 July 2015 13: 28
        +4
        Quote: Alibekulu
        So, just the version ..

        Your version is more to my liking. If it were so ...
      2. KGB WATCH YOU
        KGB WATCH YOU 19 July 2015 14: 51
        +2
        Of course it looks beautiful. But after all that we saw, the shameful Minsky, the stopping of the offensives, it is hard to believe in any "cunning plans".
    3. Pathfinder_II
      Pathfinder_II 19 July 2015 13: 38
      0
      they could also prepare well-equipped fortified areas within 3 km from the demarcation zone.
  11. svp67
    svp67 19 July 2015 11: 36
    0
    A bold and risky step, God help them.
  12. sukhoiavia
    sukhoiavia 19 July 2015 11: 36
    +3
    Now, perhaps, the most logical move for ukrov is to increasingly shoot the Donbass in order to force Russia to respond. Such initiatives will not lead to anything good. And since this decision comes from Moscow, that is, what to worry about, because what are they really counting on?
    1. Tambov Wolf
      Tambov Wolf 19 July 2015 12: 26
      +1
      They are calculating how to cut down the loot from us, the DLNR and everything else, and the United States and Geyropa so as not to buzz.
    2. Pathfinder_II
      Pathfinder_II 19 July 2015 13: 28
      +1
      maybe this is the idea? After the withdrawal of troops, it is no longer possible to hide behind the story that "the militias themselves shoot their cities." After the next bombardment, to strike with all the might of the Russian army. Clear the clearing and go out like in Georgia 2008.
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  14. sap
    sap 19 July 2015 11: 39
    +3
    It would be better to divert from the administrative borders of the regions of the city of Zakharchenko. How much will you watch as the APU destroys civilians?
  15. KGB WATCH YOU
    KGB WATCH YOU 19 July 2015 11: 42
    +6
    Guys, that's it, it's just the bottom. The republics made a statement on the withdrawal of troops and equipment by 3 km, and on the same evening Donetsk was subjected to one of the strongest shelling over the entire period of the war. Flew to the city center. In hospitals, residential buildings.
    What do we see today? Kiselevschina tells how Powder wrote down "an appeal to the people", in which he emphasized the need for constitutional reforms, and in general how good he is. Not a word about yesterday's shelling.
    As a result, I want to wish to die together with my peace initiatives, Zakharchenko, Pushilin, Deiniy, Plotnitsky and others, holding hands somewhere in the center of Donetsk.

    PS.
    "Sergey Lavrov and Ukrainian Foreign Ministers discussed humanitarian aid to Donbass" (RT)
    "Foreign Ministers of Russia and Ukraine Sergei Lavrov and Pavel Klimkin in a telephone conversation discussed the topic of humanitarian aid to residents of the southeast of Ukraine and the implementation of the Minsk agreements," the Russian Foreign Ministry reported.
    Humanitarian from "partners". Someone doubts that these ****, from the Kremlin and Kiev, for one thing?
    1. hrych
      hrych 19 July 2015 11: 54
      +3
      Zakharchenko lost his leg defending Novorossia and winning the battlefield and fought, at a time when this was a hopeless affair. At the very least, the army of New Russia is currently commensurate, say, with the army of the Czech Republic, only absolutely surpassing it in combat experience. If there is no offensive, then it should be so. You do not have the full range of knowledge, especially intelligence data, to draw the right conclusions.
      Here is the most important news of recent days.
      http://monavista.ru/news/grazhdanam_dnr_i_lnr_vydadut_rossiyskie_pasporta/
      1. Tanais
        Tanais 19 July 2015 12: 06
        +6
        Quote: hrych
        Here is the most important news of recent days.
        http://monavista.ru/news/grazhdanam_dnr_i_lnr_vydadut_rossiyskie_pasporta/

        For now, we don’t even have rumors ...
        Anyway, what can I say if 2/3 of the DPR and LPR are still under the junta.
      2. KGB WATCH YOU
        KGB WATCH YOU 19 July 2015 12: 58
        +6
        You do not have the full range of knowledge, especially intelligence data, to draw the right conclusions.

        It begins. What knowledge must be possessed to determine betrayal? Surrender of all positions, wagging ass in front of the West? Reptile before Ukraine?
        1. hrych
          hrych 19 July 2015 13: 18
          +6
          Ends. There is a World War going on, there are hot Fronts: in Syria and the Donbass, there is the Greek Front, where the collapse of the EU empire, formed after the victory in the Cold War and at the expense of the lands of the USSR and the Warsaw Pact, is at stake. There was a single meeting of the SCO (which included India and Pakistan) and BRICS, the world order is changing. Kyrgyzstan snapped at America, Azerbaijan withdrew from the "European Eastern Partnership" (which, by the way, included the enemies of the Russian Federation, that is, everyone who had the Russian Federation chopped off something, namely Moldova, Georgia, Ukraine). A deal is being made on Iran. There is a war of sanctions. All this happens at the same time. Such tasks are solved by the Supreme Commander, in contrast to some for making the right decision and so as not to get involved in a big hot war and not to destroy the state entrusted to him, he has the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Ministry of Defense, the GRU, FAPSI, including a group of reconnaissance satellites. If you don’t like something in the next elections, please, but now you have to trust and there is nothing to blame and blame for treason, if it were not for the Kremlin’s Will, New Russia would simply not have appeared and naturally would not have survived.
          1. KGB WATCH YOU
            KGB WATCH YOU 19 July 2015 14: 47
            +2
            You don't understand a little. The Kremlin and Kiev have no disagreements. They are partners. And with Europe too. And with the USA. It is important for them to safely sell resources to the West, to receive petrodollars in order to live like Gorbachev in old age in Europe (or in the USA). Personally, I don't see any war, neither cold nor hot. In the Donbass, the "partners" managed to transfer the war from the people's liberation, for the annexation to Russia, for the restoration of the Russian state, into the war of the oligarchs. And residents of Donbass are paying for it. Therefore, I am extremely indignant at the actions of the Russian leadership and the curators of Donbass.
        2. hrych
          hrych 19 July 2015 13: 45
          +3
          I forgot, almost about the main front of the fall of the world order - Yemen, where the last elderly son of Aziz Saud climbed and whom the United States merged, having concluded an Iranian deal. Not only that, when it finally arrived, they rushed to negotiate for GDP ...
    2. aleks700
      aleks700 19 July 2015 16: 44
      +1
      from the Kremlin and Kiev, for one?
      !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  16. Agent 008
    Agent 008 19 July 2015 11: 48
    +6
    Quote: sap
    It would be better to divert from the administrative borders of the regions of the city of Zakharchenko. How much will you watch as the APU destroys civilians?

    Zakharchenko does not decide anything, everything is decided in the Kremlin!
  17. sv68
    sv68 19 July 2015 11: 50
    +5
    maybe it is better to immediately withdraw the troops to Rostov-on-Don? what is hypertrudiness? or the usual betrayal disguised as "peaceful innovation".
    1. KGB WATCH YOU
      KGB WATCH YOU 19 July 2015 12: 56
      +1
      Better on the Kuril Islands. And then the esteemed partners will be offended.
  18. project sity
    project sity 19 July 2015 12: 20
    +1
    I don’t know. Why, near the line of contact, too, artillery will not be put up to beat in response, or simply for intimidation!
  19. ervin41
    ervin41 19 July 2015 12: 32
    -10
    Nedorossiya came to an end !?
    1. hrych
      hrych 19 July 2015 12: 34
      +8
      No, Ukraine is ending.
    2. Pathfinder_II
      Pathfinder_II 19 July 2015 13: 41
      +4
      Do not worry, as you say, non-Russia will grow into re-Russia. tongue
    3. voronbel53
      voronbel53 19 July 2015 16: 00
      +1
      The end has come - I haven’t found anyone and left back ... What a question, such an answer.
  20. den3080
    den3080 19 July 2015 12: 37
    +4
    Why are the troops withdrawn not from dill, but from the DPR-LPR? I believe that this whole "process" will end with the complete defeat of Novorossiya, sometime by the end of the year.
    No tricky plans are observed, in my opinion. There is just a dumb, slow drain.

    Now on the news Russia 24 heard: !!!! The approaches to the Donetsk airport are defended by the formidable Somali division under the command of battalion commander Givi ... !!!!
    And laughter and sin
    This so-called Central Television broadcasts. Who is preparing them texts there? A shame even in this ...
    Ugh.
  21. Pathfinder_II
    Pathfinder_II 19 July 2015 12: 55
    +1
    The "demarcation line" is marked on paper by the Minsk agreements. Withdraw the troops, allow the Armed Forces of Ukraine to spread across the border with the Russian Federation and deliver missile and artillery strikes from our territory. To concentrate the blow on pushing back enemy troops from large cities - Donetsk, Lugansk and cutting transport arteries for the delivery of weapons, ammunition, and fuel. Boil in cauldrons and freeze again.) Repeat until the brain is completely enlightened or until the personnel reserve is depleted.
  22. antikilller55
    antikilller55 19 July 2015 13: 02
    +3
    Yes, the initiative is good, it is expensive to watch, I really want to hope that the meaning of these gestures is still there and this is not stupidity and stupidity. Because the abandoned villages and just kilometers of land from the front line have already been paid for with the blood of the soldiers, and in the event of a grandiose riot, they will have to win back the "donated" with the blood of their soldiers.
    1. Pathfinder_II
      Pathfinder_II 19 July 2015 13: 20
      +1
      These villages are already formally (indicated by the Minsk documents) their own. You can cleanse the invaders without a twinge of conscience. In addition, fortified districts and firing positions were set up on the other side, occupying new villages, Ukrainian troops climbed out of the shell, exposing themselves to artillery strike.
  23. prishelec
    prishelec 19 July 2015 13: 21
    +3
    No challenge, enough as much as possible.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 July 2015 20: 06
      +1
      Allocate for the time being, and then the situation will change and you will have to fail again.
  24. Flatter
    Flatter 19 July 2015 13: 25
    +2
    The policy of the Russian Federation towards Donbass has led to the creation of a new Palestine. There is something akin between the rulers of the Russian Federation and Israel.
  25. voadmin
    voadmin 19 July 2015 13: 59
    0
    All of this is wrong! So many lives were destroyed for every meter of land, and now the withdrawal of weapons ... There can be no peace with the Nazis!
  26. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 19 July 2015 14: 05
    +1
    First of all, the troops are withdrawn after telephone conversations of Putin, Hollande, Merkel and Poroshenko. Like, Minsk agreements are respected.

    I would also suggest that there may be a second meaning in these actions. Namely, by withdrawing troops to show the Armed Forces of Ukraine that the militia is not going to aggravate the situation on the fronts and the Ukrainian side can withdraw some units for transfer to the Lviv region and to pacify the "Right Sector".
    What, in the future, you can use.
  27. muhomor
    muhomor 19 July 2015 14: 07
    0
    Personally, I think that all this hype with a challenge is a powerful PR move! Now, WHO AGAINST THE REQUEST is a malicious intruder Minsk-2. And the withdrawal of heavy weapons is carried out simply to create SHOCK GROUPS! feel
  28. Straight
    Straight 19 July 2015 15: 41
    0
    These "peaceful actions", with the arrogant massive shelling of the Ukrainian Armed Forces of residential areas of Donbass cities, already look like provoking the militia by the initiators of these actions to some kind of spontaneous, emotional actions.
  29. cat hippopotamus
    cat hippopotamus 19 July 2015 15: 55
    +1
    All these actions are reminiscent of a conversation between a blind man and a deaf person, the DPR are trying to find some sort of compromise, and the APU does not want to hear anything and not even see it. Apparently there will be no peace until they reach Kiev.
  30. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 19 July 2015 16: 31
    +1
    If they want to divert, then this must be done on a working day, in the morning, when the OSCE will leave for inspection.
    And return to the position when the OSCE will end the working day.
  31. m x h a l h
    m x h a l h 19 July 2015 17: 11
    0
    They began to merge Novorossia a long time ago. Everyone remembers the boilers and the armistice after them, why ??? Strelkova out of sight, Brain even worse .... let him rest in peace. They were for the idea and not for the Kremlin. PS comrade with the nickname Tanais Do you believe in getting along about issuing Russian passports to the DNI of the LNR ???
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 July 2015 20: 09
      0
      Strelkov himself dumped and the Kremlin is absolutely nothing to do with, and Mozgovoy one of his surrendered the DRG APU.
  32. Baloo
    Baloo 19 July 2015 19: 45
    +1
    Porosenko is not going to agree on anything with anyone. Its purpose is to cleanse people from the Donbass. He made this clear. Even if the right-wingers push Porosenko off or fail, nothing will change. The ambassador of America through n7alivaychenko at seems to Yarosh and further destroy Donbass. I want to make a mistake.
  33. DMB_95
    DMB_95 19 July 2015 20: 37
    0
    How much you can step on the rake of the next truce ... With such an adversary as the Armed Forces of Ukraine, banderlogs and their trainers from Europe and the United States can not only conclude a truce, but generally enter into a dialogue while the war is on. Remember our truces with the Czechs during the 1st Chechen one. Even more blood and the protraction of the conflict. The army of New Russia was one step away from the Victory last summer. And then the truce began ...
  34. T_T
    T_T 19 July 2015 22: 12
    +2
    Different emotions arise when you read such information. Ukrainian security officials are beating up civilians, civilians and militias are dying. People live in hell. But we don’t know not intelligence data, not a game in the international arena and what is real to happen. We only know what they say on the news. But I want to believe that our leadership does not compromise the interests of the country. We have been losing Ukraine since 91, and we stubbornly closed our eyes to this. How many Primakov wrote about this and other patriots of the country. And the action was zero. If the regime in Ukraine persists, then 5-10 years will pass and the younger generation will hate Russia. And this will be a serious threat.
  35. Gunther
    Gunther 19 July 2015 22: 46
    0
    The leaders of the DPR and LPR were intimidated by the curators, and the Yankees curators, who distinctly voiced their arrogant claims:
    "The Times published a provocative article in which they interviewed some senior US official. The official said that new sanctions are planned against Russia, which will completely block the access of Russian bankers to the Western credit market. The article says that in the future If the conflict in Donbass does not end, America will introduce new sanctions, limiting the maturity of loans and bonds by Russian companies to seven days (now the period is 30 days). "
    I would be glad to make a mistake, but I think another deflection.
  36. Wolka
    Wolka 20 July 2015 05: 17
    +1
    is it really the next chess-political mnogohodovka, but without a theater card there’s nothing to comment on ...
  37. Private Starley
    Private Starley 20 July 2015 08: 20
    +2
    And if LDNR lures into a new bowler APU ...? lured, hit on the head, and to the victorious to the borders of their republics ... but if the Armed Forces of Ukraine breaks down now, it will immediately become clear who the aggressor is, and Novorossia probably took such a move, being confident in its abilities ... request