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What war do we need to prepare for?

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Russia is the most likely target for the American Rapid Global Strike (BSU), since it is the only country in the world capable of destroying the United States with an 490 ballistic missile with 1480 nuclear warheads within an hour. This situation prevents the United States from solving the strategic task: to become the only superpower and control all the states on the planet, to use the natural and human resources of all countries in their own interests. The entire domestic and foreign policy of the United States is subordinated to this strategic goal. To solve this task, the United States spends more on defense than Russia almost 10 times. The US strategic goal with respect to Russia is to “wrest a nuclear sting out of Russia” and take Russian resources under full control. The population of Russia, according to former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, it is advisable to reduce to 15 million people, which are necessary for the extraction of natural resources for the West.

DESTRUCTION BY PLAN

The United States, in contrast to Russia, is not preparing for a land war. The United States is going to win the war with the help of BSU and missile defense systems (PRO), using mainly sea-based cruise missiles (SLCM) and ballistic missiles (BR). To date, the United States has prepared a material basis for BSU in Russia. Colonel-General Leonid Ivashov writes about this (“NVO”, No. 43, 2014): “We pay little attention to the fact that almost everything needed for a quick strike is already concentrated in the structure of NATO.”

“If we are open to ballistic missiles, if we do not have the means to intercept and even detect cruise missiles, our military-strategic approaches must be radically changed.”

Currently, the United States has deployed 790 intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) with 1700 nuclear warheads, about 5000 cruise missiles, of which around sea-based 3000 missiles, nuclear and conventional warheads, about 3000 combat aircraft and others. And this is without taking into account the armaments of the other countries of the North Atlantic Alliance.

Among the missiles suitable for a fast global strike, there are two types: first, missiles invisible to Russian radars, and second, missiles whose flight times are quite small (8 – 12 minutes).

Among the existing combat arsenal of the United States among the such missiles for BSU, firstly, sea-based cruise missiles (SLCMs) with an 2500 km range are suitable. Currently, the United States of the Ohio-class atomic submarines (SSBNs) with the Trident 12-D2 missiles re-equipped four submarines to carry sea-based cruise missiles, each with 5 missiles.

Secondly, submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs) ​​of the Trident 2-D5 can be used for BSU. In each of the Ohio-type SSBNs, there are 24 such missiles, thus one submarine of this type carries 336 combat elements with nuclear warheads (BEZP) with a power of 100 CT. Such submarines are able to freely approach from the North to the Russian coast, where the anti-submarine defense system is almost destroyed, and launch a nuclear missile attack on the Strategic Missile Forces (near 400 targets: missiles in mines and mobile missiles in vehicles), on submarines on board parking lots, as well as at military and state government sites. The total number of attacking missiles is 600 sea-based cruise missiles plus 670 – 1000 BEZIN order on 2 – 3 Ohio-type submarines. In addition, part of sea-based cruise missiles may be located on several ships off the Russian coast in the North.

Third, in addition to the listed missiles, the United States can use for the fast global strike part of the SM-3 type interceptors converted into medium-range ground-to-surface missiles and launched from missile defense systems in Poland and Romania, as well as from ships equipped system "Aegis" and located in the Black and Barents Seas. At present, Russia makes a strategic mistake: it is actively preparing for a large-scale land war using the latest weapon systems (T-50 fighter, T-14 tank, new ships, new missiles, etc.). Meanwhile, the United States plans to crush Russia with cruise and ballistic missiles without getting involved in a land operation. Therefore, most of the GWP-2020 armaments program is money thrown to the wind, since Russia is preparing mainly for a land war, and the United States for a nuclear missile war.

After applying BSU to the Russian strategic nuclear forces (SNF), most of them will be destroyed. Dmitry Rogozin emphasizes that if a global blow is delivered to Russia, then, "according to estimates in the US, as a result of this blow, 80 – 90% of our nuclear potential can be destroyed." The rest of the Russian ballistic missiles must be destroyed by the missile defense system, although it is possible that some of these missiles could break through to the United States.

After a quick global strike, the US remains mostly intact 450 intercontinental ballistic missiles "Minuteman-3" in mines that are protected by an anti-missile system, as well as Trident 2-D5 missiles in 5-6 submarines (these are 120 – 144 missiles). After BSU, Russia has zero ballistic missiles. After that, the United States announces Russia an ultimatum of complete surrender. If Russia does not agree with him, and in Russia by this time all non-strategic forces remain intact, then the planned destruction of Russian cities will begin with the population (as in Hiroshima and Nagasaki) and the Russian army will not be able to prevent this. As a result, Russia will have two choices: capitulate or be destroyed with impunity.

The preemptive strike of the Russian strategic nuclear forces on the United States (if, for example, reconnaissance reported that the BSU will be made tomorrow in Russia) does not make sense, since the flight of rockets from mines and cars will take about 30 minutes, for which the United States will organize a counter-attack on Russia, except Moreover, at least four submarines of the naval forces of the United States, Britain and France are constantly on duty in the World Ocean, inaccessible for destruction by the Russian Armed Forces. In this version of the war, the United States and Russia will be mutually destroyed.

A key question arises: when can Russia get a quick global strike? The resolution of this issue largely depends on the struggle of the two groups of the American elite belonging to the democratic and republican parties, who believe that war with Russia and China is necessary. The differences between them lie in determining the timing of a global strike against Russia and China. Representatives of the Republican Party believe that the United States is ready for a global war in all respects: military, economic and ideological - and a quick global blow should have been taken yesterday. Another part of the elite - from the Democratic Party - believes that the United States needs 5 – 7 years to prepare for a new world war. It is most likely that a quick global strike against Russia should be expected after 2016, if a Republican is elected the president of the United States.

PROTECTION OF A SNF AGAINST SECRET ATTACK

To protect Russian strategic nuclear forces from BSU, it is necessary first of all to use the natural defect of all missiles, both existing and newly designed (cruise, ballistic, hypersonic, space, etc.) and installed anywhere - in Europe, in Ukraine, etc. To hit the target, the rocket must have target coordinates (stationary or non-stationary). From here follows the main recommendation on the protection of missile launchers: they must be hidden from the enemy’s reconnaissance system (airplanes, submarines, special ships, saboteurs, etc.). This rule is poorly observed for rockets in mines, rockets on cars and submarines, standing at the piers. More than 90% of Russian ballistic missiles belong to the class of poorly defended ones, since their coordinates are known to the enemy at every moment.

Submarine missile carriers better than others hidden from the enemy. There are about 20% missiles in submarine strategic rocket carriers in Russia, but in reality no more than 2 – 3 submarines (from the 9 PL) are on combat duty. For decades, the United States has been creating and improving anti-submarine defense systems. In Russia, such a system was destroyed. Therefore, there is the likelihood of the detection of Russian submarine missile-carriers on alert in the World Ocean during the implementation of the BSU.

There are two ways to protect strategic nuclear forces from a rapid global strike: passive and active.

PASSIVE METHOD

Consider the main ways to protect the launch devices of Russian ballistic missiles from surveillance by US intelligence systems.

First, at the present time, the Topol-M and Yars mobile complexes are moving in cars along the country roads under the supervision of the American space intelligence system and saboteurs.

Instead, it is urgent to disperse these mobile complexes throughout the country and hide them in the woods, underground, in hangars, etc. Each complex must have several spare positions to which the complex must secretly move from time to time in order to change its coordinates. What will give such an event? If now with a quick global strike 80 – 90% of Russian strategic nuclear forces are destroyed, the proposed measure will reduce the loss of Russian strategic missiles at BSU by half, that is, to 40 – 45%. In this case, a quick global strike by the United States on Russia loses its meaning.

What war do we need to prepare for?

American Minuteman-3 missiles are waiting in the wings. Photo from www.dodmedia.osd.mil

The fast and high-quality implementation of the event under consideration will allow moving to more sophisticated and reliable ways to protect Russian strategic nuclear forces.

Secondly, the most reliable way to protect the SNF from a surprise attack is to place submarine ballistic missiles under water in protected sea areas, but not in the World Ocean, which is controlled by the United States. Russia has everything needed to organize such protection: submarines with ballistic missiles, Northern and Pacific fleets that can protect coastal sea areas in the North and East from ships, submarines, cruise missiles, aircraft and unmanned aerial vehicles for safe combat patrols of Russian submarine rocket carriers .

Third, for reliable protection, Russian ballistic missiles must be hidden in strong underground tunnels. For the construction of tunnels it is advisable to use the experience of the construction of the subway. The tunnels should be located in the Moscow region, which is the only defense system in the country protected from ballistic and cruise missiles. In tunnels, rockets must constantly move in wagons on rails, with exits to the surface for launching rockets.

There are other possible ways to protect domestic strategic nuclear forces from a rapid global strike, but they either require a lot of time or are less reliable. But still list them:

- mines with intercontinental ballistic missiles and submarines at the piers should be protected by electronic countermeasures and anti-aircraft systems such as Pantsir-С1, Tor-М2, etc., capable of detecting and destroying sea-based subsonic cruise missiles;

- for the protection of mines with missiles, those methods of protection that were developed for tanks: active protection and trellis screens. Active defense of the mines should include radar, which determines the flight path of the rocket and beam warheads located around the mine and throwing a bunch of fragments towards the rocket. Radar determines the warhead that fires at an attacking rocket. Nuclear and conventional charges of cruise or intercontinental ballistic missiles attacking a mine explode on the surface of the soil. It is advisable to make an explosion of a nuclear or conventional charge air, then an air shock wave, which is easier to fight, will be a danger to the mine. To realize this idea, it is necessary to install a trellised screen (grid) over the columns on the columns (pipes). Determining the height and width of the screen is associated with the value of the CVO of the attacking rocket and the critical pressure of the reflected shock wave, which determines the strength of the shaft cover;

- To destroy the Trident 2D-5 and SM-3 missiles, it is necessary to have this type of missile defense, which the United States has been building for several decades. At present, aerospace defense (ASD) is being created in Russia for these purposes, but this takes time;

- create mobile railway missile systems of this type, which were in the USSR, although small satellites can be placed on them with the help of saboteurs, which will start emitting signals to guide missiles only on X-day;

- it is advisable to restore a solid courier single-shot rocket “Courier” with a range of 10 000 km and the ability to overcome missile defense, mass 15 t, length 11 m, diameter 1,36 m on a modern scientific and technical basis. For comparison: a single-shot Topol-M rocket has a range firing 11 000 km, mass 46,5 t, length 22,5 m, diameter 1,81 m. Four courier missile launches were made, and in 1991, work on this missile was stopped under US pressure.

The weight and dimensions of the Courier allow it to be disguised to be placed in standard vans, which in tens of thousands move across the country. These missiles can be placed in disguised form in standard containers on various civilian and military ships.

ACTIVE METHOD

Even when the USSR was, the geophysical vulnerability of the territory of the United States was considered. Thus, Academician Sakharov offered to mine the western and eastern coasts of the United States with submarines, surface ships, or missiles with unrecoverable nuclear mines. When the United States attacked the Soviet Union, mines explode and form waves hundreds of meters high that sweep cities on the west and east coast.

In the United States in Yellowstone Park is one of the largest volcanoes on the planet (the crater of the volcano is about 60 km). Now the volcano has begun to come to life. If in the crater to blow up a nuclear charge of sufficient power, then the crater may explode. According to some experts, this will lead to the death of the United States. However, other specialists - from the Yellowstone Volcano Monitoring and Study Center - believe that the explosion of the Yellowstone volcano will not have disastrous consequences for the United States.

Above, various technical ways of dealing with a quick global strike are considered. Another aspect of this problem is considered by Colonel-General Leonid Ivashov. He believes that “today we cannot fend off a quick (lightning-fast) global strike against us (Russia), except by repeating the 1962 scenario of the year (that is, the Caribbean crisis), namely, to place our high-precision weapon close to American borders to be able to guarantee a kick back ”(HBO, No. 43, 2014).

And it is necessary to do it in a complex way: to place our missiles with nuclear charges on ships, submarines and in the territory of the friendly countries of South America. Such an approach to parrying a fast global strike is a mirror reflection of what the United States is doing: they deploy their missiles on ships and submarines near the Russian borders, and also install a missile defense system in Romania and Poland with SM-3 antimissiles, in two versions and capable of both shooting down Russian intercontinental ballistic missiles in the active segment, and striking nuclear charges at the positions of our ICBMs. The deployment of Russian nuclear missiles near the United States will strengthen Russia's martial law, but the new Caribbean crisis, which will arise at the same time, it is not known how the war or peace will end. The new Caribbean crisis should not arise if one of Leonid Ivashov’s three proposals for deploying missiles near the US borders (submarines, ships and ground installations) use one, namely, to deploy submarines with cruise missiles off American shores in neutral waters. Because in the event of war, ships and bases with missiles in the countries of South America will be destroyed first.

A number of questions arise regarding the development of a rapid global strike in the United States and the reaction of Russia to this event. How could it happen that the means of a rapid global strike were created “unnoticed” for Russia. The concept of a “Fast Global Strike” was developed in the USA in 2003. In 2009, the Global Strike Command was created in the USA. But in the Military Doctrine of Russia, adopted in the 2010 year, there is no mention of a quick global strike (as if it does not exist). And only in the Military Doctrine of the 2014 of the year is indicated on BSU as a military threat to Russia. But by 2014, the United States had practically created the material base for a quick global strike. The question is, how did the Russian Armed Forces oppose this real threat from 2003 to 2014 in the year? Colonel-General Leonid Ivashov answers this question that he practically didn’t react at all, that is, he “overslept” this threat (HBO, No. 43, 2014).

At present, Russia needs to take measures to counteract the use by the United States of the means of a rapid global strike against Russia, and also to continue rearming the Armed Forces with new weapons, to conduct new industrialization and import substitution in order to raise the standard of living of the population. To do this, it is necessary to double the state budget, respectively, and it is necessary to increase defense spending. Such a program cannot be implemented without a change in the current liberal monetarist management methods imposed on Russia by the United States in the 90s. It was with their help that the program of “import substitution on the contrary” was implemented, that is, domestic goods were replaced with foreign ones. To carry out normal import substitution, that is, to replace foreign goods with domestic ones, we need planning-market management methods of this type, which operated under the NEP in the USSR and Yugoslavia, and also currently operate in China, Belarus, Vietnam, etc.

To thwart US plans to deprive Russia of its sovereignty, it is necessary to reliably protect Russian strategic nuclear forces from the rapid global strike by passive and active means. To do this, appropriate changes should be made to the state armaments program, where the protection of strategic nuclear forces from a rapid global strike should be the top priority.
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  1. Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 18 July 2015 06: 01
    +8
    Well, there’s nothing good to say about the Yankees, their doctrine has not changed since the moment in Korea: first we’ll burn and destroy everything, and then we'll see ... miserables, what do you take? wassat
    1. sherp2015
      sherp2015 18 July 2015 08: 44
      -19
      Quote: Shiva83483
      Well, there is nothing good to say about the Yankees, their doctrine has been unchanged from the moment in Korea: first, we will burn and destroy everything, and then we'll see ...



      Yes, we are not better either. Already twice in the last century, according to the same principle: "We will destroy everything to the ground, and then ..."
      and now restore the destroyed again. Sisyphean labor ...
      1. activator
        activator 18 July 2015 11: 33
        +40
        It seemed to me one article that it was written for residents of the gum club? Kharlamov and Batrutdinov just right. Especially that submarines need to be hidden under water is interesting, but before that, where were they hiding? , cover the stationary missiles underground in the metro from above with a trellis screen and what size screen should be? but if the screen from the explosion falls on the launcher, how will the rocket fly out? By poplars and yars that these shelters should move between shelters that they will not find? Wash all the cynus of these complexes in their constant movement.
        1. shtanko.49
          shtanko.49 18 July 2015 12: 38
          +13
          Most of our boats are at berths, here they are the most vulnerable.
          1. vladimirZ
            vladimirZ 18 July 2015 18: 21
            +26
            US going to win the war with the help of BSU systems and missile defense (ABM) ...
            To disrupt US plans to deprive Russia of its sovereignty, it is necessary to reliably protect Russian strategic nuclear forces from a quick global strike passive and active ways.
            (from article)


            It is necessary to "protect the Russian strategic nuclear forces," but this is not the main thing, it is secondary.
            This is the same nuclear counterbalance as the USSR had. And he did not help our state survive and defeat the United States. The USSR lost the Cold War, essentially the Third World War of the United States, and broke up into a dozen and a half, states that lost their sovereignty.
            The USSR was betrayed by the recruited, and working in the West and the USA, top leaders of the state and the ruling party - the CPSU.

            And Russia now has not only military danger from the United States, EU, NATO, but also even greater danger from the oligarchic ruling 5th column, from the liberal comprador governmentnot on the part of the "swamp" liberal American-sponsored scum from power, such as Kasyanov, Kudrin, the late Nemtsov, but from the still ruling oligarchic liberal government.
            The contradictions between the ruling Russian oligarchs and liberals, the current Russian government and the West are temporary. Well, they have not yet fit into the golden world elite, they share the Russian natural pie, and this is the essence of their conflict.
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 18 July 2015 19: 11
              +4
              That's right, Russia has many dangers, but the General is a military man and naturally he sees a military danger, he wrote about it. He wrote sensibly, by the way.
              1. Sivan
                Sivan 18 July 2015 21: 46
                +21
                I’ll duplicate my comment here from the second page, because The topic is important and there are a lot of comments. The answer is better here, and not on the second page.

                The article is a stuffing. Let's go through the most egregious statements first.

                Among missiles suitable for a quick global strike, there are two types: firstly, missiles invisible to Russian radarsand secondly, missiles, the flight time of which is quite small (8-12 minutes).

                Which missiles are invisible (exactly invisible, not subtle) for Russian radars? Name a specific product? Or can you only panic, as with stealth?

                At present, Russia is making a strategic mistake: it is actively preparing for a large-scale land war using the latest weapons systems (T-50 fighter, T-14 tank, new ships, new missiles, etc.). Meanwhile, the United States plans to defeat Russia with cruise and ballistic missiles without getting involved in a ground operation. Therefore, most of the weapons program GWP 2020 - this is a waste of money, because Russia is mainly preparing for a land war, while the United States is preparing for a nuclear missile war.

                Interestingly, what about the heavy Sarmat ICBMs, the BZHRK Barguzin, the ICBM Frontier planned for 2020? How is the developed S-500 missile defense system and the already existing S-400 (which can easily destroy cruise missiles, and short-range ballistic missiles can also be shot down).

                Colonel-General Leonid Ivashov writes about this (NVO, No. 43, 2014): “We somehow pay little attention to the fact that almost everything necessary for a quick strike is already concentrated in the NATO structure.”

                “If we are open to ballistic missiles, if we have no means to intercept and even detect cruise missiles, we must radically change our military strategic approaches. ”

                Have you seen? We cannot detect a cruise missile.
                But what about air defense? S-400 and Armor. Just recently, by the way, during an exercise the MiG-31 shot down a cruise missile flying above the earth’s surface in the mountains of Kamchatka.

                More about missile detection. The article "Voronezh closes the ring" about the newest Voronezh-type early warning radar.
                http://topwar.ru/64166-voronezh-zamykaet-kolco.html
                Is this not preparation for a nuclear war? But General Ivashov, of course, does not care.

                You can minus me, but I consider only two options possible:
                1) General Ivashov simply got stuck in his understanding that "everything is gone, Putin leaked", etc., and does not want to notice the obvious facts.
                2) General Ivashov deliberately throws such things into the press with the aim of public relations for himself and his Academy of Geopolitical Problems or is a participant in the information war on the side of the enemy.

                This commentary is written only for some of the most egregious and crazy phrases in the article. If you want, I can continue. If I'm wrong - answer, for me this topic is interesting.
                1. edeligor
                  edeligor 18 July 2015 22: 58
                  +1
                  I support, in almost everything I agree with you. And it’s time for Ivashov to deal with the competent authorities or doctors from Kashchenko ...
              2. Sivan
                Sivan 19 July 2015 20: 10
                +1
                So, we continue the detailed analysis of the article.

                - For the protection of mines with missiles, those methods of protection that were developed for tanks can be useful: active protection and lattice screens. The active defense of the mines should include radar, defining the trajectory of the missile and beam warheads located around the shaft and throwing a beam of fragments towards the missile. Radar determines the combat charge that shoots at the attacking rocket. Nuclear and conventional charges of cruise or intercontinental ballistic missiles attacking the mine explode on the surface of the ground. It is advisable to make an explosion of a nuclear or conventional charge air, then a danger to the mine will be an air shock wave, which is easier to deal with. To implement this idea, it is necessary to install a lattice screen (grid) on the columns (pipes) over the mine. The determination of the height and width of the screen is associated with the value of the QUO of the attacking missile and the critical pressure of the reflected shock wave, which determines the strength of the shaft cover;


                Now let's see what I found in Google.
                Quote: http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-579.html
                The development of the launch complex was carried out on the basis of the 15P018 launch complex. At the same time, the existing engineering structures, communications and systems were used to the maximum extent. The silo 15P718M has been developed with ultra-high security against PFYAV by re-equipping the silo of the 15A14 and 15A18 missile systems. The modified launch complex can be guaranteed to withstand excess pressure in the front of the shock wave of a nuclear explosion of more than 100 atmospheres. During the development and testing of the "Voevoda" complex under the leadership of the chief designer of the Mechanical Engineering Design Bureau (Kolomna) N.I. Gushchin a complex of active protection of silos of the Strategic Missile Forces against nuclear warheads and high-precision non-nuclear weapons (probably the Mozyr ROC), and for the first time in the country a low-altitude non-nuclear interception of high-speed ballistic targets was carried out.


                That is, everything is already there, the mines with the R-36M2 Voevoda already have active protection, and General Ivashov decided to reinvent the bicycle.
              3. Sivan
                Sivan 19 July 2015 20: 20
                +3
                Moving on.

                Another aspect of this problem is considered by Colonel General Leonid Ivashov. He believes that “today we (Russia) have nothing to parry a fast (lightning-fast) global strike, except by repeating the 1962 scenario (that is, the Caribbean crisis), namely, placing our precision weapons near the American borders in order to be able to guarantee a response to a strike ”(HBO, No. 43, 2014).


                We have a Club-K containerized missile system, which allows you to make any container carrier a carrier of cruise missiles.


                You can, for example, send such a container on an ordinary civilian ship to the Panama Canal.
                I am sure that such a plan exists, and the demonstration of this complex at the MAKS-2011 exhibition is aimed at intimidating the Americans.

                That is, again General Ivashov said nothing new.
                1. Enemy
                  Enemy 21 July 2015 15: 43
                  0
                  Here you, of course, wrote nonsense.
                  Have you seen the firing range of the missiles of this complex? The most long-range ones have about 300 km, according to open sources. How can we compare the firing ranges of 300 km and 10 thousand km at the Courier? “Courier” is still an intercontinental BR. And the power of the warhead of the Club-K complex cruise missiles is too small. So the “Courier” would be out of place in the form of ordinary trailer trailers for tractors.
                  1. Sivan
                    Sivan 21 July 2015 17: 56
                    0
                    Yes, he wrote a sound idea about the Courier. But I did not speak about it. I meant that the demonstration of container complexes means the existence of such a plan in case the situation worsens. It is fundamentally. And nobody knows what is in the container.

                    It seems that Caliber has a range of more than 2000 km.
                    300 km is by ship. But I'm not sure, of course.
                    Perhaps you can put something more interesting into such a container - the X-102 with a nuclear warhead, for example.

                    Or instead of four CDs, place one BR there.
              4. Sivan
                Sivan 19 July 2015 20: 27
                -1
                Moving on.

                - mines with intercontinental ballistic missiles and submarines at the piers should be protected by electronic countermeasures and anti-aircraft systems such as Pantsir-С1, Tor-М2, etc., capable of detecting and destroying sea-based subsonic cruise missiles;

                Directly not General Ivashov, but Captain Evidence. Are our mines not covered by Torahs and Carapace? Name exactly where.
                1. Thunderbolt
                  Thunderbolt 19 July 2015 20: 59
                  +3
                  Quote: SIvan
                  Are our mines not covered by Torahs and Carapace? Name exactly where.
                  There are no more than 150 "Tor" combat vehicles (of all modifications) in the Russian army, and "Pantsiri" are either exported or recruited into S-400 regiments. So not only mines, but many other things are not covered. And this is impossible given our hugeness and limit in specialists.
                2. Bongo
                  Bongo 21 July 2015 14: 02
                  +3
                  Quote: SIvan
                  Directly not General Ivashov, but Captain Evidence. Are our mines not covered by Torahs and Carapace? Name exactly where.

                  Unfortunately, there are places where they are not covered. For example, the deployment area of ​​the Kozelsky missile division of the Strategic Missile Forces. The picture shows the positions of the air defense systems currently liquidated; there is nothing else in this area request .

                  In addition, "Thor" is a military air defense complex. Most of the Pantsir-S air defense missile systems currently cover the positions of the S-400 long-range air defense systems.
          2. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 18 July 2015 19: 25
            +1
            Thanks to shtanko, for at least one sensible remark, otherwise solid sofa experts.
        2. ty60
          ty60 18 July 2015 16: 56
          0
          I ask you, if you use words from Hebrew, write correctly. And the rest, I agree. hi
        3. Alex_Rarog
          Alex_Rarog 18 July 2015 17: 39
          +4
          The article smacks of a little schizophrenia ... A mixture of real calculations and paranoid fantasies ...
          1. garik191
            garik191 18 July 2015 23: 12
            +4
            And this is spelled out in these manuals, a small amount of truth is seasoned with a huge amount of lies and an opinion is formed. Even as an option, truthful information is used, facts that have a place to be, only they are interpreted quite the opposite ....
        4. mihasik
          mihasik 18 July 2015 18: 17
          +8
          Quote: activator
          It seemed to me one article that it was written for the residents of the gum club Kharlamov and Batrutdinov just right.

          Here I am about the same. Some kind of nonsense.
          The author believes that analysts are not “distant” in the General Staff? And in this case the author has gone far from them, since he told everyone the "Great Strategy" of protection))?
          In all such "bullets" I am more impressed by the official version. Here is one of them (not verbatim):
          During the exercises of the Northern Fleet, the fleet commander in an interview with a journalist dropped a "insignificant" phrase that during the exercise a ship-type electronic warfare system was tested, which "works" at a distance of 4-5 thousand km! I thought I misheard.
          But comparing the facts of public and "malicious declassification") of electronic warfare systems such as "Lever", "Mercury", "Khibiny", etc. etc., you come to the conclusion that there are ALREADY systems to declassify which no one is going to and which are much more effective than the above.
          When using the BGR, I suspect that the US missiles will be the same as when the real salvo of the Smerch MLRS was tested on the Mercury system. Result: out of 100 shells, 100 were destroyed!
          And this is precisely why the United States, in spite of the powerful rearmament and modernization of the Russian Army, is in no hurry to apply BGR across Russia.
          Do not be afraid to lose the last chance, while there is supposedly superiority?)
          1. absurdity
            absurdity 18 July 2015 19: 38
            0
            In Turkey, electronic warfare is also nothing like that - they cover everything until the middle of the Volga.
            1. mihasik
              mihasik 18 July 2015 21: 23
              0
              Quote: Absurdidat
              In Turkey, electronic warfare is also nothing like that - they cover everything until the middle of the Volga.

              According to this, the ground operation, because the rackets will not fly))
          2. wiwa
            wiwa 18 July 2015 23: 11
            -1
            author -> author -> author, five times he went to his pants, out of fear, while the article was at war ...
      2. 933454818
        933454818 18 July 2015 16: 28
        +2
        Well Duc and destroy something on whose "tip" Not the Yankees? There was information that Khrushchev was once "helped" to become the 1st secretary, in such a post, the West is much better than the clever Beria.
      3. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 18 July 2015 19: 18
        +10
        Quote: sherp2015
        Yes, we are not better either. Already twice in the last century, according to the same principle: "We will destroy everything to the ground, and then ..."

        You, that after perestroika, did you study if you confuse the words in the song? Or are you deliberately confusing? And the words are: "We will destroy the whole world of violence, to the ground, and then, we are ours, we will build a new world, who was nothing, he will become everything!"
    2. War and Peace
      War and Peace 18 July 2015 09: 14
      +16
      local "analysts" did not consider it necessary to consider the information about the presence of 5 thousand amers as true. cruise missiles, eight hundred mini-men, hundreds of aircraft, including bombers capable of carrying YaZ.
      This, that everything is not there? Refers to all front posts carrying the thought "yes, it's all bullshit, and it's not true"
      This is not only true, but true bitter if the war starts right now at the USA EVERYTHING IS READY for an attack and REFLECTION of our counterattack. Hundreds of Orlibiers and submarines will burst into our northern seas and will block Poplars, Maces, Yars with their AEGIS, only Voivods can send warheads to the United States not through the north pole, but through the south.
      Amid all this, recent talk about cutting our priority military programs such as PAKFA is simply unacceptable.
      Against the backdrop of all this military performance, it would be nice to stop playing the games we were already skilled in and start deploying nuclear missiles in space, the time of impact from space would probably be a matter of seconds. And considering that pin_day cannot create a normal rocket engine for heavy carriers, we have an EXCELLENT ADVANTAGE in the field of SPACE. Of course, we no longer sell our RD180 / 191 to America.
      1. sichevik
        sichevik 18 July 2015 09: 46
        +41
        I will not argue with you. But if in fact the United States is so prepared for war and so invulnerable, then why have they not yet destroyed Russia? What is holding them back from this? Conscience, decency, moralism and peacefulness disappear immediately. Unusual qualities for them. Something is holding them back. For how many years they have been scaring us with American horror stories, but things are still there. Every American president shouts about America's exceptionalism, about its strength and power. And they are at war with Serbia, Iraq, Granada, Libya, Afghanistan. And that is not very successful. North Korea cannot be controlled. If Russia, according to one eared nigger, a regional country, why an "exceptional natsiya- global hegemon" still just stupid blather and howls after the reunification of the Crimea with Russia ??? If they are so omnipotent, why haven't they punished the "evil northern aggressor" yet? I in no way belittle the strength and power of the Pentagon, but most likely they are not enough to bring Russia to its knees. If they could, they would have put it long ago.
        1. War and Peace
          War and Peace 18 July 2015 09: 53
          -5
          Quote: sichevik
          But if in fact the United States is so prepared for war and so invulnerable, then why they still have not destroyed Russia


          because they only recently completed the creation of missile defense and are now equipping Orlibier, as well as ground systems with their CM3 and it is correctly written in article 16 that the American missile defense system will reach the maximum level and then the war ...
          1. Arikkhab
            Arikkhab 18 July 2015 10: 19
            +3
            they’ll be deployed about ... but basically they block the direction of S. Korea, and the Berks are not invulnerable
          2. Enot-poloskun
            Enot-poloskun 18 July 2015 11: 51
            +4
            The United States has not yet destroyed Russia, since BSU is a myth ...

            Tomahawks fly slowly ... And what, are you sure that every American rocket 100% hits the target?
            1. Asadullah
              Asadullah 18 July 2015 15: 30
              +15
              A lot of guidance systems have been created, they are connected to a cluster organization. Destruction of satellites knocks out a lot of cluster elements, then the effectiveness of such a rocket decreases significantly. From that, anti-satellite weapons are one of the most promising areas. For immovable targets, the Kyrgyz Republic is quite an effective means, but only if it carries a nuclear charge, because today strategic immovable targets are more of a mystery whether this is actually the goal. Well, with the exception of industrial centers and energy facilities. As I understand it, the exchange of nuclear strikes is not considered here. Then BSU is not even a myth, but an unsuccessful American joke. Or adaptation of lobbyists of the US military-industrial complex.
            2. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 18 July 2015 19: 47
              +1
              If less than half of the 5000 cruise missiles hit the target, then the Americans will be satisfied, but they have many other missiles besides cruise missiles.
              1. Camel
                Camel 18 July 2015 22: 45
                +3
                If less than half of the 5000 cruise missiles hit the target, then the Americans will be satisfied

                Zero, he is also less than half;) Will the joy of the Americans be great?

                Experts gathered in the comments - everything was gone. There, lower in comments, our nuclear arsenal is already lowered below the baseboard ... Where do you come from, experts? For example, I’m directly connected with the defense industry, so I can say that everything is fine with weapons - both conventional and special. No need to raise a panic! Yes, the article is minus.
          3. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 18 July 2015 19: 36
            -3
            "war and peace" thanks for the adequate answer, otherwise it's already a shame to read the reviews, they are talking about such nonsense, and they blame the General that he is a narrow-minded person.
          4. Sivan
            Sivan 19 July 2015 10: 13
            +1
            Quote: war and peace
            by 16g the American missile defense system will reach its maximum level and then the war ...

            You are mistaken, they will finish missile defense only by 2025. In any source on this issue you will find such a deadline. Now they have anti-missiles only in 50% of cases hit targets, and these targets do not imitate our newest missiles.
        2. almamatkulov. 79
          almamatkulov. 79 18 July 2015 15: 26
          -2
          What are they waiting for? They are waiting for the hour when the damage from Russia's retaliatory strike will be reduced to zero. This hour is at hand. Alas.
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 18 July 2015 19: 40
            -4
            Glad to read another robust answer, thanks.
          2. FM-78
            FM-78 18 July 2015 22: 22
            0
            I’m wondering what you say is 100% true, who puts a minus?
        3. kot28.ru
          kot28.ru 18 July 2015 16: 22
          +4
          Perhaps they are holding back the inevitability of a ground operation, when thousands of their warriors begin to die in Russia, it will be difficult for the state government to explain this to its citizens hi , although preparation in this direction is already underway, yelling about Russia - aggressors are heard around the world hi !In any case, nya, if she survives after the otvetka what , rake in our Siberia and in the Far East, they are not only local, even nature will punish them! soldier
          1. FM-78
            FM-78 19 July 2015 00: 02
            +2
            They will also rake in Moscow, and no worse than in the Siberian District. Teachers, I think alone!
        4. ty60
          ty60 18 July 2015 17: 04
          +1
          Or at least they tried! So far, only the behavior of a nonsense girl on critical days ....
        5. Naum
          Naum 18 July 2015 21: 35
          +7
          Boys simply do not have the absolute certainty of complete impunity. They are naturally scared to become radioactive ash one day! A nuclear war will most likely not be local, the "domino effect" will work all over the ball, EVERYTHING that can explode will explode. Everybody will have enough reasons to "press the button". There will be a global suicide of human civilization ... This stops. Well, who needs "world domination" over the ashes? Those who survive in the bunkers will envy the dead.
        6. Dejavu
          Dejavu 19 July 2015 05: 02
          -1
          sichevik You raised very correct questions. Actually, it’s still more complicated. The author thinks in terms of television, parade on the square ... It is a mistake to believe that Russia has only a bunch of T-72, a bit of T-90 and a pair of Armat, plus our strategic nuclear forces. They say at the closed show Army 2015, our generals were shown developments after which they began to sleep 3 times stronger. Armata is for the crowd, no one will fight them. The Soviet Union back in the 70s arranged the disconnection of electronics in US cities by its own special means. Needless to say, Russia has several trump cards about which the general public does not know anything. At the expense of bullshit that we all read in the article, nothing is said about the fight against satellites. Second step i.e. an ultimatum will not follow, because after a global strike on Russia, our first thing will be to cut down satellite communications, guidance, and so on. In other words, an article with a useless, shortsighted sofa / TV level analytics.
        7. Franky elvin
          Franky elvin 20 July 2015 00: 30
          0
          Or maybe just because nobody needs to destroy Russia, like ISIS?
          We regularly supply resources, we kill industry - we will soon bend ourselves. Another thing is that if the leadership decides to risk the fate of the planet and expose its nuclear potential, there will be a right to it.
      2. user
        user 18 July 2015 12: 44
        +16
        Such submarines are able to freely approach from the North to the Russian coast,


        And no one bothers that, the United States is open to attack from both the East and West coasts, I'm not talking about the Gulf of Mexico.

        This is an article for a speech before the Budget Committee of the United States (otherwise you’ll suddenly change your mind to give money) or in House No. 6.
        But seriously, the author of this. . . . (I don’t even know what to call it) you just need to check for sanity, and don’t miss a psychiatrist.
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 18 July 2015 13: 27
          +18
          Quote: user
          This is an article for a speech before the Budget Committee of the United States (otherwise you’ll suddenly change your mind to give money) or in House No. 6.
          But seriously, the author of this. . . . (I don’t even know what to call it) you just need to check for sanity, and don’t miss a psychiatrist.

          ... similarly .. hi .. the author feels touched on Friday .. laughing ..
          Among the missiles suitable for a fast global strike, there are two types: first, missiles invisible to Russian radars, and second, missiles whose flight times are quite small (8 – 12 minutes).
          .. you can not read further .. out .. laughing
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 18 July 2015 19: 58
            -1
            Here is a quote:
            Among the missiles suitable for a fast global strike, there are two types: first, missiles invisible to Russian radars, and second, missiles whose flight times are quite small (8 – 12 minutes).
            .. no need to read further .. out.

            Well, and what did the General lie here, do you think that a cruise missile can be seen thousands of kilometers away when it flies at an altitude of 30 meters and hides in terrain? We do not have a continuous radar field in the north, we will not notice. Therefore, hundreds of missiles can easily and suddenly appear in the center of Russia for us.
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 18 July 2015 21: 36
              +6
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              Well, and what did the General lie here, do you think that a cruise missile can be seen thousands of kilometers away when it flies at an altitude of 30 meters and hides in terrain? We do not have a continuous radar field in the north, we will not notice. Therefore, hundreds of missiles can easily and suddenly appear in the center of Russia for us.

              .. from the sneaker, the Blessed One was going to shoot from which sea of ​​the North? ..from Norwegian, Barents or may Kara? .. and from which CD carrier, above-water or underwater, and with what type of tomahawk are they already 3? .. straight horror takes from curiosity .. laughing ..
              1. Fan-fan
                Fan-fan 19 July 2015 09: 02
                +1
                Yes, from any northern sea, the Kyrgyz Republic reaches down to our Altai, where the famous Satan is hiding, but at least from the Laptev Sea. For example, from submarines, they can secretly and instantly launch almost one and a half thousand missiles. And where does the type of rocket? When there is nothing to argue on the merits, the opponent immediately switches the conversation to another topic, such as a rocket, for example.
                1. Inok10
                  Inok10 19 July 2015 19: 54
                  +3
                  Quote: Fan-Fan
                  Yes, from any northern sea, the Kyrgyz Republic reaches down to our Altai, where the famous Satan is hiding, but at least from the Laptev Sea. For example, from submarines, they can secretly and instantly launch almost one and a half thousand missiles. And where does the type of rocket? When there is nothing to argue on the merits, the opponent immediately switches the conversation to another topic, such as a rocket, for example.

                  .. here I say Blessed guy .. where are you Mil man found a hundred submarines mattresses for 1500 tomahawks? .. there are only 4 of them Ohio converted for tomahawks on each 154 axes total: 616 pcs. and you Friend for a pie forgot a little the location of the radar stations Voronezh DM and Daryal .. neither from the Norwegian, Barents, Kara or even the aforementioned Laptevs, it’s not fate to shoot you .. Daryal 5H79 in Pechora covers all these seas .. laughing ..and I also asked for good reason about the tomahawk model .. alas, friend RGM / UGM-109E Block IV, you’ll scare only deer in the tundra .. range of 1 km. .. and that is not documented .. laughing
            2. Wheel
              Wheel 19 July 2015 01: 57
              +4
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              We do not have a continuous radar field in the north, we will not notice. Therefore, hundreds of missiles can easily and suddenly appear in the center of Russia for us.

              To close holes in the coating, there are MiG-31.
              This is their main task, if Che.
              They don’t even have to shoot anything, by and large ...
              They fly regularly, almost like in the good old days, almost over my village pass a sound barrier ....
              1. Fan-fan
                Fan-fan 19 July 2015 09: 10
                +2
                People, you don’t understand that you need to keep these MiGs constantly in the air for the operational interception of the Kyrgyz Republic. But this is impossible. In addition, in the north there are not enough airfields for basing the MIG31.
        2. ty60
          ty60 18 July 2015 17: 07
          +3
          See comments. The only common thought in the article. Courier.
      3. Alekseev
        Alekseev 18 July 2015 14: 35
        +11
        Quote: War and Peace
        Hundreds of Orlibiers and submarines will burst into our northern seas and will block Poplars, Maces, Yars with their AEGIS, only Voivods can send warheads to the United States not through the north pole, but through the south.

        What a fiction writer!
        Like submarines
        Quote: War and Peace
        their AEGIS will block Poplars
        ?
        So what,
        Quote: War and Peace
        send warheads to usa
        is it possible only through the poles? what laughing
        Yes
        Quote: War and Peace
        his aegis
        not everyone has the opportunity to act on ballistic goals outside the earth’s atmosphere
        of numerous
        Quote: War and Peace
        Orlibjerkov
        and, it is highly desirable that this AEGIS is not particularly repaired.
        And the real capabilities of modern rocket (and other) equipment are visible on the recent loss of the American and our transport spacecraft. And without any missile defense. yes
        I am writing so that the "real violent" understand that the United States has no guarantees to avoid retaliation, and Obamka, and others know this.
        If there were such guarantees, then, be sure - Hiroshima would have been repeated a long time ago and, possibly, more than once.
        1. Dam
          Dam 19 July 2015 02: 10
          0
          Oh, not sure without any missile defense. Very similar to an exchange of courtesies
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      5. mervino2007
        mervino2007 18 July 2015 15: 04
        +9
        Quote: War and Peace
        it’s really bitter if the war starts right now at the USA EVERYTHING IS READY for an attack and REFLECTION of our counterattack.

        Well, this article has come to VO. She posed a lot of questions. Why is there no answer to BSU in our new military doctrine - a quick global strike? Questions about Almaty, etc. - who needs them when using BSU? Why spend money and resources on them? Of course they are needed, but not now and not in the first or even second place of importance. Amers already have 5 thousand KR. They set the task - in the near future to build another 2 thousand KR. Here, in VO, there was an estimate how we can not miss these 5 thousand missiles by the available air defense and missile defense systems. At the same time, there was an assumption that we will have 100% hits. And if we GUESS the directions of the attacks and, accordingly, these directions place our funds. What can not be in principle. Unless the chiefs of general staff agree. Like in exercises. What will not happen either. A lot of talk about the war, that it is already on the verge. I got the opinion that we are moving forward with our eyes closed ..... Not understanding the situation.
        1. Dikson
          Dikson 18 July 2015 15: 48
          +6
          Why not understanding? Everyone understands everything perfectly .. - no one will intercept all these Amer missiles. The task is different ... The task is to plow back in such a way that nobody is guaranteed to survive there .. That's all. No need to look for hidden meanings in doctrines and political trepidation. It's just6 This is an enemy tank, it destroyed your house and crushed your family with caterpillars. And you have a bunch of grenades. And the choice.
        2. Wheel
          Wheel 19 July 2015 01: 59
          0
          Quote: mervino2007
          Why is there no answer to BSU in our new military doctrine - a quick global strike?

          Exactly because BSU in Russia is impossible in principle.
      6. ty60
        ty60 18 July 2015 17: 01
        +4
        The only sensible suggestion in an article is to launch a Courier in a series at a new level. And even though one warhead try to find a car container. In essence, the same Club-k
      7. Wheel
        Wheel 19 July 2015 01: 51
        +4
        Quote: War and Peace
        local "analysts" did not consider it necessary to consider the information about the presence of 5 thousand amers as true. cruise missiles, eight hundred mini-men, hundreds of aircraft, including bombers capable of carrying YaZ.
        This, that everything is not there? Refers to all front posts carrying the thought "yes, it's all bullshit, and it's not true"
        This is not only true, but true bitter if the war starts right now at the USA EVERYTHING IS READY for an attack and REFLECTION of our counterattack.

        Ahhhhh !!!!
        Chef !!!!
        The mustache is gone !!!!
        Plaster is removed, the client leaves !!!!

        Funny as it may seem, BSU is a double of SOI.
        Like, it was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines ...
        To begin with, these 5000 KR still need to be pulled to the borders of Russia, and this is 5 days at best.
        This is how it seems like Arly Bjorki appear in slender rows in a close formation and no one notices them, because the stealth to the last screw, and even the crew's iPhones are completely made of plastic and wood ...
        About all 39 submarines from the Kyrgyz Republic that left their bases at one time, no one knows either sleep or spirit.
        Then all this armada is lined up along the northern coast of Russia and kaaaak zhahet already in all positional areas of the Russian strategic nuclear forces!
        Then, however, you’ll have to smoke a couple of hours, poison jokes, while the hatchets crawl to the goals, but these are small details that are not worth mentioning ....
        There is a truth and one more nuance that Dombarovsky and Uzhur are accessible to Indian throwing axes only from the coast, but who pays attention to such trifles?
        In general, Russia is again prosralapolymers ...
        So, yes, a little about the author of this opus ...
        Orlenko, Leonid Petrovich
        Professor of the Moscow State Technical University Bauman; was born on September 9, 1926 in Krasnodar; in 1953 he graduated from the Moscow Higher Technical School, in 1956 - postgraduate studies; deals with the problems of improving the management of the national economy and bringing Russia out of the crisis, a consistent supporter of the planned market mechanism of regulation and management of the economy; author of works: "Economic methods of management", "Economic reform and management", "How to get out of the economic crisis", "Agrarian Party of Russia. Fundamentals of the economic program" (co-authors MI Lapshin, IP Rybkin), "Program socio-economic development of Russia ".

        Something, someone, once correctly spoke of a shoemaker with a cake ...
    3. 222222
      222222 18 July 2015 09: 30
      +6
      "" "Fast Global Strike, BGS (Prompt Global Strike, PGS, also a global lightning strike) is an initiative of the US Armed Forces to develop a system that allows to strike with CONVENTIONAL (NON-NUCLEAR, English conventional) weapons at any point of the planet within 1 hours similar to a nuclear strike with an ICBM. According to General James Cartwright, "At present, if not a nuclear strike, it may take days, perhaps weeks" before the military can launch an attack with regular forces. [3] The goal of the PGS system is to provide the ability to deliver a quick and accurate strike to any region of the world in the event of conflict or emergencies. The ballistic version could launch directly from the United States. The PGS system will complement the Forces of the Forward Deployment Force, Expeditionary Air Force (which may be deployed within 48 hours) and Carrier battle groups (AUG), which can respond within 96 hours s). PGS will allow attacking any point of the planet or near space for 60 minutes. "" ""
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 18 July 2015 11: 04
        +4
        Quote: 222222
        First, at the present time, the Topol-M and Yars mobile complexes are moving in cars along the country roads under the supervision of the American space intelligence system and saboteurs.

        Instead, it is urgently necessary to disperse these mobile complexes throughout the country and hide in the forest, underground, in hangars, etc. Each complex must have several reserve positions, to which the complex must secretly move from time to time in order to change its coordinates.

        Why does the author think that "the American space reconnaissance system and saboteurs", in this case, will not know the location of our complexes? Or is he deliberately proposing to tie our missiles to one place so that they can be destroyed more easily? Whose mill is he pouring water into?
        1. 222222
          222222 18 July 2015 12: 03
          +2
          SRC P-15 (4
          .. the author has a complete mutaten .. the true age affects ..
          ..mobile in order to increase their secrecy ..
          .. air defense systems-active cover from the air.
          .. anti-sabotage units and special services .. secure on the ground ..
          1. JIaIIoTb
            JIaIIoTb 18 July 2015 13: 51
            +3
            Quote: 222222
            SRC P-15 (4
            .. the author has a complete mutaten .. the true age affects ..
            ..mobile in order to increase their secrecy ..
            .. air defense systems-active cover from the air.
            .. anti-sabotage units and special services .. secure on the ground ..


            I agree. We have not yet been attacked because they cannot do it with impunity. And they won’t attack as we are developing too.
            1. crocodile25
              crocodile25 18 July 2015 17: 00
              0
              The perimeter to help us! soldier
        2. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 18 July 2015 20: 20
          -1
          Just now they are tied to one place, to their base, where there is a garage for each car. And the general proposes to create several such "garages" and make them secretive in order to confuse the Americans so that they do not know where the launcher is currently located.
          Do not you know that from outer space all mobile Topol are perfectly visible?
        3. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 18 July 2015 20: 22
          0
          Just now they are tied to one place, to their base, where there is a garage for each car. And the general proposes to create several such "garages" and make them secretive in order to confuse the Americans so that they do not know where the launcher is currently located.
          Do not you know that from outer space all mobile Topol are perfectly visible?
  2. avia1991
    avia1991 18 July 2015 06: 02
    +41
    I am not an expert, of course - but in the inability to understand "logical-illogical", it seems, is not noticed.
    Impression of the article: PR of the next "smart thoughts" of Mr. Ivashov, with elements of panic in the style of "everything is bad with us!"
    I doubt very much that General (retired!) Ivashov has access to all strategic information regarding the state of our defense.
    In addition, the "use of natural resources of Russia" after BSU, as described - how do you, Mr. Orlenko, imagine this?
    Too many inconsistencies in Ivashov’s assumptions. And the Americans - with all their rejection by me personally - do not go far ..ot.
    1. tweezers
      tweezers 18 July 2015 06: 52
      +20
      I also did not like the article - it seems like some kind of stuffing / scam ... immediately throw all the resources to create a missile defense, etc. - In the Soviet Union have already passed, and how did it end? a massive shortage, collapse, food stamps - no, thanks ... and I don’t believe that there is nothing to answer - otherwise, they would have already collapsed long ago ...
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 18 July 2015 08: 50
        +6
        Quote: pincet
        I also did not like the article - it seems like some kind of stuffing / scam ... immediately throw all the resources to create a missile defense, etc. - In the Soviet Union have already passed, and how did it end?

        Yes, we are doing well with missile defense and air defense at the moment. And soon C-500 will appear, which is fussing about. For such articles, I have one answer, WAITING FOR SARMAT AND BARGUZIN. So that the adversary would not even think in our direction. hi
        1. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 18 July 2015 10: 57
          +10
          Well, before the layered air defense system like in the USSR we still like the moon, and the missile defense we have, sorry, only covers Moscow so what else to work and work.
          By the way, there is a lot of writing about air defense systems, but on the topic of missile defense materials or not or not, and yet she has been on duty since the 70s, for example, the A-135 system.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 18 July 2015 12: 52
            +3
            Quote: tilovaykrisa
            Well, before the layered air defense system as in the USSR we still like the moon,

            Did I really say that we need to relax and not worry about anything? Of course we need to work and it is equally important to put missile defense systems on duty, moreover, they are different in tandem with electronic warfare systems and surveillance and warning systems. hi
        2. dmi.pris1
          dmi.pris1 18 July 2015 11: 40
          +8
          Are you sure of this? The layered defense of the whole country has not been created, and it is unlikely that they will, the territory of the country is huge and there will always be gaps .... I served in air defense until 2012 and represent the essence of the problem .. dangerous directions are covered, no more. Yes , NEW TECHNOLOGY ARE NECESSARY and diverse, for intercepting at all altitudes from 10 m ... and to repel a massive strike by cruise missiles, they will go first.
          Quote: NEXUS
          Quote: pincet
          I also did not like the article - it seems like some kind of stuffing / scam ... immediately throw all the resources to create a missile defense, etc. - In the Soviet Union have already passed, and how did it end?

          Yes, we are doing well with missile defense and air defense at the moment. And soon C-500 will appear, which is fussing about. For such articles, I have one answer, WAITING FOR SARMAT AND BARGUZIN. So that the adversary would not even think in our direction. hi
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 18 July 2015 14: 09
            +3
            Quote: dmi.pris
            Are you sure about that?

            .. clearly .. I wondered on my knee a couple of months ago .. 7 duty divisions and three duty radars .. and I recall in the Kaliningrad province regiment S-300PM2 and two divisions C 400 .. without taking into account the adopted armament 40N6E and Air Defense Forces .. hi and add the existing Voronezh DM in the Kaliningrad region and the Leningrad region with a passport range of 6000 km. do not sleep (Kaliningrad Voronezh DM sees what is happening at New York’s Kennedy Airport laughing ) .. hi
            1. Bongo
              Bongo 18 July 2015 15: 47
              +3
              Quote: Inok10
              vividly .. I wondered on my knee a couple of months ago .. 7 divisions of duty and three duty radars .. and I recall in the Kaliningrad province regiment C-300ПМ2 and two divisions С 400 .. without taking into service the Sukhoi 40Н6Е and Air Defense forces .. and add the existing Voronezh DM in the Kaliningrad region and the Leningrad region with a passport range of 6000 km. do not sleep (Kaliningrad Voronezh DM sees what is happening at New York’s Kennedy Airport

              Let's figure it out stop As for your picture, it is not completely reliable No.

              If you believe her, the S-300ПМ2 air defense missile systems are deployed on the territory of the Republic of Belarus. Where did the firewood come from? Until now, the basis of the air defense system of this friendly republic was the fairly old S-300PS, deployed mainly around Minsk. In addition to C-300PS, formally, I still still have C-200 in stand.

              Quote: Inok10
              without taking into service the adopted missiles 40Н6Е and air defense of the Ground Forces ..


              Excuse me, what modification of the 40Н6E missiles are you talking about? what The first of them appeared in the distant 1992 year. But unfortunately, not this sufficiently long-range missile forms the basis of the ammunition load of our S-300P family of air defense systems, but the much less perfect missiles 5В55Р / 5В55РМ.
              Air defense units of the Ground Forces are intended for solving other tasks and there are not many medium and long-range anti-aircraft systems left in them. At present, the Buk and S-300V air defense missile systems are being transferred to the Air Defense Forces.

              Quote: Inok10
              operating Voronezh DM in the Kaliningrad region and the Leningrad region with a passport range of 6000 km. do not sleep (Kaliningrad Voronezh DM sees what is happening at New York’s Kennedy Airport

              Sorry, but at what height do they see this? Do airplanes fly at this altitude?
              1. Inok10
                Inok10 18 July 2015 19: 47
                +7
                Quote: Bongo
                Let's see. As for your picture, it is not completely reliable.

                .. absolutely reliable hi .. Further, we really will understand how it is not worth getting stuck at the turn of 1993 and continue to make judgments ..
                Quote: Bongo
                If you believe her, the S-300ПМ2 air defense missile systems are deployed on the territory of the Republic of Belarus. Where did the firewood come from? Until now, the basis of the air defense system of this friendly republic was the fairly old S-300PS, deployed mainly around Minsk. In addition to C-300PS, formally, I still still have C-200 in stand.
                .. I recall from the age of 13 Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan have common air defense .. about the deployment of 4 S 300 divisions in Belarus was announced at the beginning of 2015, the modification is already understandable PM2 withdrawn from the Russian Armed Forces in connection with the replacement with S 400 ..
                Quote: Bongo
                Excuse me, what modification are you talking about? The first of them appeared back in 40. But unfortunately, not this sufficiently long-range missile forms the basis of the ammunition load of our S-6P air defense systems, but the much less perfect 1992V300R / 5V55RM missiles.
                .. about the one that was tested at the end of 2015 .. about the very 40N6E .. but not about 48N6E really born in 1992 with whom you managed to confuse it, the difference in one digit happens .. and now about missiles Do not get confused in sophistry, but clearly understand the definitions:
                Year A type Missiles Range
                1982 S-300PS 5V55R 75 km.
                1993 S-300PM 48N6E 150 km.
                1997 S-300PM1 48N6E2 200 km.
                1997 S-300PM2 48N6E3 250 km.
                1999 S-400 48N6E / 48N6E2 / 48N6E3 and now 40N6E with a range of 400 km.
                .. use of missiles 5В55Р ended in 1993 year ..
                Quote: Bongo
                Sorry, but at what height do they see this? Do airplanes fly at this altitude?

                .. I hope you know the concept of elevation? .. so Voronezh DM sector of view in elevation - 2-60 gr. and in azimuth 165-295 degrees. .. I have the honor! .. hi
                1. Bongo
                  Bongo 19 July 2015 00: 40
                  +4
                  Quote: Inok10
                  .. absolutely reliable

                  Unfortunately not No.
                  Quote: Inok10
                  then we’ll really figure out how to get stuck at the turn of the 1993 year and continue to make judgments ..

                  In 1993, the number of deployed air defense systems in the Russian Federation was much larger. And it's not about the old C-75 and C-200.
                  Quote: Inok10
                  I remind you that since the 13 of the year Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan have common air defense .. the deployment of 4 divisions with 300 in Belarus was announced at the beginning of the 2015 of the year, the modification is already understandable PM2 withdrawn from the Russian Armed Forces in connection with the replacement with C 400 ..

                  Why did you get this, even in the Russian Federation, most of the anti-aircraft systems of the database C-300PSMaybe they are planning to supply modernized С-300ПМ2 to Belarus, but so far they have not been involved in carrying out the DB there. We ourselves do not have many of these systems. They are concentrated mainly in the armies of East Kazakhstan region around Moscow. C-400 replace the older ones that are being removed due to physical deterioration of the system.
                  Quote: Inok10
                  about the one that passed the tests at the end of the 2015 year .. about the very 40Н6Е.

                  The tests really passed and even formally adopted, but in present in the troops, it is not included in the ammunition load of deployed air defense systems carrying a database request
                  Quote: Inok10
                  .. use of missiles 5В55Р ended in 1993 year ..

                  But with that you made me laugh laughing And what do you think are included in the missile system S-300PS which form the basis of antiaircraft defense in the Air Force-Air Defense?
                  Quote: Inok10

                  .. I hope you know the concept of elevation? .. and so Voronezh DM sector of view by elevation - 2-60 gr. and in azimuth 165-295 deg. ..

                  Familiar, but this station is primarily designed for early missile warning
                  Quote: Inok10
                  at the airport to them. Kennedy New York
                  In this area, due to the curvature of the earth's surface, it can only see space. Some time ago, I was preparing a series of publications on HE on Russian and American means of monitoring outer space and missile defense. And I have an idea of ​​their capabilities.
                  1. Inok10
                    Inok10 19 July 2015 20: 24
                    +3
                    Quote: Bongo
                    Unfortunately not

                    .. I’ll leave your regrets as an opinion .. everyone has the right to have an opinion .. have .. laughing
                    Quote: Bongo
                    In 1993, the number of deployed air defense systems in the Russian Federation was much larger. And it's not about the old C-75 and C-200.

                    .. well, with a range of missiles 5V55 / 5V55R with a range of 75/90 km. there was no other choice but to fence a fence ... hi
                    Quote: Bongo
                    Why did you get this, even in the Russian Federation most of the anti-aircraft systems of the airborne databases are S-300PS Maybe in Belarus and they are going to supply upgraded S-300PM2, but so far they have not been involved in carrying the airbags there. We ourselves do not have many of these systems. They are concentrated mainly in the armies of East Kazakhstan region around Moscow. C-400s replace older ones that are being removed due to physical deterioration of the system.

                    .. forget about the PS with the 5V55 / 5V55R missiles, these have long been targeted complexes, all the warranty periods have long been expired and the extension for 5 years too, the only one for whom the Vanguard, by hook or by crook, extends this 5V55RM Navy .. finish "Groundhog Day 1993". The base has long been PM / PM1 with 48N6 missiles and its modifications and 9M90E missiles 40 km. and 9M96E 120 km. short-range .. hi
                    Quote: Bongo
                    The tests really passed and even formally adopted, but at the present time it is not included in the ammunition of deployed air defense systems bearing the database in the troops

                    .. I recall, it was originally indicated to me, without taking into account the SAM 40N6E .. it’s you who managed to confuse it with 48N6E 1992 .. laughing
                    Quote: Bongo
                    Familiar, but this station is primarily designed for early missile warning

                    .. but the capabilities of Voronezh DM allow you to control both the air situation and very successfully .. hi
                    Quote: Bongo
                    In this area, due to the curvature of the earth's surface, it can only see space. Some time ago, I was preparing a series of publications on HE on Russian and American means of monitoring outer space and missile defense. And I have an idea of ​​their capabilities.

                    .. Dear .. this is an over-the-horizon station, not an over-the-horizon .. You have confused the subject with your finger .. for it there is no concept of a radio horizon .. encyclopedic knowledge .. laughing
                    1. Sivan
                      Sivan 19 July 2015 20: 37
                      +3
                      Quote: Inok10
                      .. Dear .. this is an over-the-horizon station, not an over-the-horizon .. You have confused the subject with your finger .. for it there is no concept of a radio horizon .. encyclopedic knowledge ..


                      I intervene in the conversation. Here you are wrong. Voronezh is an over-the-horizon radar and is designed to protect against ballistic missiles.
                      http://www.rtisystems.ru/products/radarcomplexes/above-the-horizon/

                      Our over-the-horizon radar called Container, took up combat duty in 2013.
                      http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-768.html
                      1. Inok10
                        Inok10 19 July 2015 20: 46
                        +3
                        Quote: SIvan
                        I intervene in the conversation. Here you are wrong. Voronezh is an over-the-horizon radar and is designed to protect against ballistic missiles.

                        .. study the behavior of waves reflected from the ionosphere ..
                      2. Sivan
                        Sivan 19 July 2015 21: 02
                        +4
                        Cool down a bit. I am well aware of the existence of ZGRLS (ionospheric). One such radar station is already on alert in Mordovia
                        But it’s called not Voronezh, but the Container! And Voronezh - the usual over-the-horizon radar SPRN. Just wanted to correct your little mistake. hi
                      3. Inok10
                        Inok10 20 July 2015 16: 17
                        +3
                        Quote: SIvan
                        But it’s called not Voronezh, but the Container! And Voronezh - the usual over-the-horizon radar SPRN. Just wanted to correct your little mistake.

                        ... carefully read my answer below zyablik.olga ..and also from the Great Soviet Encyclopedia .. hi
                      4. Bongo
                        Bongo 21 July 2015 08: 35
                        +2
                        Quote: Inok10
                        .. carefully read my answer below zyablik.olga.

                        The picture is certainly beautiful good But what does this have to do with
                        Quote: Inok10
                        Kaliningrad Voronezh DM sees what is happening at the airport. Kennedy New York

                        Steadily sees air targets at a specified range at any height? wassat And at the same time it works as a surveillance radar monitoring the air situation giving target designation of IA and SAM? No.
                      5. zyablik.olga
                        zyablik.olga 20 July 2015 06: 16
                        +2
                        Quote: SIvan
                        I intervene in the conversation. Here you are wrong. Voronezh is an over-the-horizon radar and is designed to protect against ballistic missiles.

                        Absolutely true, but apparently respected Inok10 lives in his "parallel universe" his excessive "urya-patriotism" does not allow him to recognize the obvious things. request
                        1.Voronezh-M / DM / VP is a radar missile early warning system (Srn) and outer space control These stations are intended primarily for:
                        - detection of ballistic targets (missiles) within the radar field of view;
                        - tracking and measuring the coordinates of detected targets and jammers;
                        - calculating the motion parameters of the accompanying targets from radar measurements;
                        - determine the type of targets;
                        - issuing information about the target and jamming environment in an automatic mode to other consumers.
                        The ability to see aerodynamic targets (at a distance of several hundred km) in a fairly narrow sector at high altitudes is no more than a pleasant option.
                        Quote: Inok10
                        .. study the behavior of waves reflected from the ionosphere ..

                        Frequency range, design features and radiation pattern do not suggest the use of this effect as the main operating mode of the "Voronezh" family of radars. No.
                      6. Inok10
                        Inok10 20 July 2015 15: 38
                        +3
                        Quote: zyablik.olga
                        Absolutely true, but apparently the respected Inok10 lives in his "parallel universe", his excessive "urya-patriotism" does not allow him to recognize the obvious things.

                        .. this is how a man brought up leave without comment ..
                        Quote: zyablik.olga
                        1. Voronezh-M / DM / VP is a radar for early warning of a missile attack warning system (SPRN) and space control. These stations are designed primarily for:
                        - detection of ballistic targets (missiles) within the radar field of view;
                        - tracking and measuring the coordinates of detected targets and jammers;
                        - calculating the motion parameters of the accompanying targets from radar measurements;
                        - determine the type of targets;
                        - issuing information about the target and jamming environment in an automatic mode to other consumers.
                        The ability to see aerodynamic targets (at a distance of several hundred km) in a fairly narrow sector at high altitudes is no more than a pleasant option.

                        .. and, here you need to figure it out in detail .. dumping everything in a heap, mislead decent people, the general name of the radar "Voronezh" does not mean uniformity, it is not "Darial", they were even developed by different organizations, more ..
                        77Я6 "Voronezh-M" and 77Я6-VP "Voronezh-VP" - developed by OJSC RTI named after academician A.L. Minets (Moscow)
                        77Я6-DM Voronezh-DM was developed by OAO NPK NIIDAR (former Research Institute of Remote Radio Communication, Moscow) with the participation of OAO RTI named after academician A.L. Minz .. and TTX stations are not identical! .. as follows from the quote: ..
                        The VZG radar is being built on a pre-prepared site the size of a football field of standard components (transported antenna and hardware modules), which can be changed, increased and redesigned taking into account the purpose of the complex and the tasks set. The modular construction principle with the maximum unification of equipment allows you to create radars of various potentials with antennas (phased array antennas), the dimensions of which are determined by the specific conditions of their location and the challenges. Radars can be used in the PRN, KKP and missile defense systems, non-strategic missile defense and air defense systems, and also as national means of monitoring and control of the air and surface situation.
                        ..that is a statement ..
                        Quote: zyablik.olga
                        The frequency range, design features and directional pattern do not imply the use of this effect as the main operating mode of the Voronezh family of radars.

                        .. is not correct, to put it mildly, I recommend reading http://dokwar.ru/publ/vooruzhenie/pvo_i_rvsn/rls_voronezh_m_dm/16-1-0-628 .. and yet, the conversation above began with the Kaliningrad "Voronezh", with a favorite joke Kaliningraders: .. "From Cape Taran, you can clearly see what is happening at the Kennedy airport in New York" and indeed the radar station is aimed exactly at the US East Coast .. below is a photo of "Voronezh DM" in Armavir and "Voronezh DM" in Kaliningrad .. compare .. hi
                      7. Inok10
                        Inok10 20 July 2015 15: 47
                        +3
                        .. "Voronezh DM" in Armavir ..
                      8. Inok10
                        Inok10 20 July 2015 15: 49
                        +3
                        .. "Voronezh DM" in Kaliningrad ..
            2. Bongo
              Bongo 18 July 2015 16: 19
              +2
              Quote: Inok10
              clearly .. figured on his knee a couple of months ago.

              On the knee, you do not need to estimate. Here is a snapshot from an "enemy" resource - the real location of medium and long-range air defense systems in Belarus and the European part of the Russian Federation.
              1. Fan-fan
                Fan-fan 18 July 2015 19: 44
                +4
                Judging by this map, we have only 2 cities and 5 military bases covered. This is probably true, since covering the entire territory of the country is unrealistically expensive.
              2. Inok10
                Inok10 18 July 2015 20: 09
                +3
                Quote: Bongo
                On the knee, you do not need to estimate. Here is a snapshot from an "enemy" resource - the real location of medium and long-range air defense systems in Belarus and the European part of the Russian Federation.

                .. With 300 / 300В / 400, a pre-prepared position is not required .. deployment time from the march of 5 minutes, readiness to shoot 10 minutes .. in any field .. hi
                1. Bongo
                  Bongo 19 July 2015 00: 50
                  +2
                  Quote: Inok10
                  .. With 300 / 300В / 400, a pre-prepared position is not required .. deployment time from the march of 5 minutes, readiness to shoot 10 minutes .. in any field ..

                  Absolutely right yes But judging from your overly optimistic comments in the ZRV in particular, you have nothing to do with air defense in general. No need to simplify and mislead the ignorant.
                  Do not forget that deployed brigades and regiments require a certain base: barracks, warehouses, workshops, arsenals, etc. And besides, coverage of the air situation by RTV units. Certain divisions do have some "autonomy" (no more than 2 weeks), but this is only before the use of diesel fuel and ammunition supplies.
                  1. Inok10
                    Inok10 19 July 2015 20: 40
                    +3
                    Quote: Bongo
                    But judging from your overly optimistic comments in the ZRV in particular, you have nothing to do with air defense in general. No need to simplify and mislead the ignorant.

                    .. you mislead people with your PS at the base .. and even such a "miraculous branch of the military" .. like ..
                    Quote: Bongo
                    which form the basis of air defense missiles in the air defense?

                    .. is that such a Beast as part of the RF Armed Forces? .. laughing
                    Quote: Bongo
                    Do not forget that deployed brigades and regiments require a certain base: barracks, warehouses, workshops, arsenals, etc. And besides, coverage of the air situation by RTV units. Certain divisions do have some "autonomy" (no more than 2 weeks), but this is only before the use of diesel fuel and ammunition supplies.

                    .. directly surprised to the core .. from your words the deployed regiment / brigade carry the DB with the full composition of the divisions? .. I have not heard such pearls laughing .. there are one or three duty positions that you so kindly demonstrated on Google maps, on one of which one duty division comes into the database, changing at a certain frequency .. the rest are quietly engaged in combat training at the place of permanent deployment and only in the Combat move to places of combat deployment .. hi
                    1. Bongo
                      Bongo 20 July 2015 07: 26
                      +2
                      Quote: Inok10
                      ... you mislead people with your PS at the base .. and even such a "miraculous branch of the military" .. like ..
                      Quote: Bongo
                      which form the basis of air defense missiles in the air defense?

                      It’s strange that you don’t know elementary things and at the same time try to judge that, apparently, outside of your competence recourse
                      ZRV is the Anti-Aircraft Missile Forces that are part of the combined Air Force and Air Defense. Unlike the Aerospace Defense Forces of the Russian Federation, which are equipped with most new equipment (provide Moscow air defense) in the air defense forces, more than half are air defense systems C-300PS(this is open-public information). The illumination and guidance radar (RPN) works with missiles of the 5V55R / 5V55RM family, the production of which continued until the early 90s. Moreover, a few years ago there were still S-300PTs in service, which have now been transferred "for storage."
                      Quote: Inok10
                      from your words, the deployed regiment / brigade carry the database with the full composition of the divisions? ..

                      Where did I say that? stop This is your interpretation and no more ...
                      In conclusion, a series of photographs (including from the personal archive) concerning the "non-existent" S-300PS.
                      The satellite image of the position of the anti-aircraft missile battalion of the 1530-th anti-aircraft missile regiment (military unit 31458)
                      deployed near the village of V. Ekon near Komsomolsk-on-Amur. Latitude and longitude are indicated.

                      In the photo, my son Aleksey is in the cockpit of the SP-300PS SPU (produced in the 1986 year). The photo was taken at a position in the village of V. Ekon less than a year ago. hi
                      1. Inok10
                        Inok10 20 July 2015 16: 05
                        +3
                        Quote: Bongo
                        It’s strange that you don’t know elementary things and at the same time try to judge that, apparently, outside of your competence

                        ..this, as usual, I don’t comment on ..
                        Quote: Bongo
                        ZRV is the Anti-Aircraft Missile Troops that are part of the united Air Force and Air Defense. In contrast to the Aerospace Defense Troops of the Russian Federation, which are mostly equipped with new equipment (provided by the air defense of Moscow), more than half of the air defense-Air Force are S-300PS air defense systems (this is open, publicly available information). The illumination and guidance radar (RPN) works with the 5V55R / 5V55RM family of missiles, the production of which continued until the early 90s. Moreover, a few years ago there were still S-300PTs in service, which have now been transferred "for storage."

                        .. answer from the website of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the structure .. read carefully ..
                        Anti-aircraft missile troops (ZRV) are a branch of the Air Force, armed with anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM) and anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM), constitute the main fire force in the air defense (aerospace) defense system and are designed to protect control centers (PU) of the highest echelons of state and military command and control, groupings of troops (forces), the most important industrial and economic centers and other objects from strikes by means of an aerospace attack (ICH) of the enemy within the zones of destruction.
                        Air Force air defense missiles consist of anti-aircraft missile regiments (zrp), which are organizationally part of the air force association, East Kazakhstan brigades, as well as parts and organizations directly subordinate to the Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force (Air Force Civil Code).
                        .. feel the difference? .. hi
                        .. the indicated position covers the Komsomolsk airport on the Amur River and this is clearly visible on the screen .. but you don’t know what the PS or PM is deployed from the photo ..
                      2. Bongo
                        Bongo 21 July 2015 07: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: Inok10
                        . answer from the website of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the structure .. read carefully ..
                        Anti-aircraft missile troops (ZRV) are a branch of the Air Force, armed with anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM) and anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM)

                        And what is the actual contradiction with what I wrote? request
                        Quote: Inok10
                        .. the specified position covers the Komsomolsk airport on the Amur and it is clearly visible on the screen ..

                        This position is primarily covered by Komsomolsk-on-Amur itself (south-east direction). It was equipped relatively recently, until 1993, a low-altitude C-125 was deployed there. Then, for a long time, the site was abandoned and overgrown with light forest, we even mushrooms there collected.
                        Last summer, the rear from the village of Lian was relocated to this position (then a photo was taken with my son). Where, in fact, is the 1530 th SRP based, protecting Komsomolsk-on-Amur from the north-west.
                        Quote: Inok10
                        but you don’t know what PS or PM is deployed from the photo ..
                        stop You can easily find out, the military unit number is indicated. This information is available in many "open" sources. Generally in service with the air defense missile systems of the 3rd Air Force and Air Defense Command as part of the 25th Air Defense Division (Komsomolsk-on-Amur), the 26th Air Defense Division (Chita) and the 93rd Air Defense Division (Vladivostok) no S-300PM modification



                        That is, in the Far East, only S-300PS, S-300V and Buk-M1 air defense systems are deployed (transferred from the military air defense) and S-400. But based on your past comments, you are unlikely to admit this, because if you believe all the S-300PS, their missiles have long been decommissioned.
                      3. Inok10
                        Inok10 21 July 2015 12: 59
                        +3
                        ... laughing laughing .. for me the source is the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, not http://wikimapia.org/ on the basis of which you show such "awareness" .. by patstal .. laughing .. and another excerpt from the annual report for 2012 of OJSC MMZ Avangard (it is the only manufacturer of SAMs with 300 of all modifications) ..
                        The priority areas of scientific and technical activity of OJSC MMZ Avangard over the past period were:
                        - mastering the manufacture, carrying out design and technological testing and bringing 40N6 products to serial production;
                        - the implementation of an integral part of scientific research work (SC R&D) on the study of the possibility of recycling 5V55 products of various modifications (within the framework of the Federal Target Program “Industrial Disposal of Armaments and Military Equipment”);
                        - carrying out practical work as part of research work on the disposal of 5V55 products of various modifications and other products and their components previously produced by the plant (within the framework of the federal target program “Industrial disposal of weapons and military equipment”);
                        - R&D in conjunction with OJSC Granit on the development and creation of automated equipment for testing the on-board power supply of products 48N6, 40N6;
                        - carrying out a complex of works on organizing our own foundry (stringers, foundations, compartments 2A, 2B and compartment 4);
                        - participation in work on the modernization and transfer to the modern domestic element base of on-board equipment blocks of products of type 48N6;
                        - participation in the ROC "Flamingo";
                        - participation in the work to include new manufacturers in the list of suppliers of on-board equipment blocks for completing products of type 48N6;
                        - participation in work to extend the life of products 5V55RF, 48N6;
                        - carrying out work to replace obsolete instrumentation with modern;
                        - development of initial data for the development of technical and economic proposals for the creation of repair centers for 48N6E and 48N6E2 products on the territory of the customer.
                        .. it's all in the public domain .. sit less at http://wikimapia.org/ you will have more CURRENT INFORMATION .. laughing ..
                      4. Bongo
                        Bongo 21 July 2015 13: 19
                        +1
                        Quote: Inok10
                        for me the source is the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, not http://wikimapia.org/ on the basis of which you show such "awareness" .. by the pattal .. .. and also an excerpt from the 2012 annual report of OJSC MMZ Avangard (is the only manufacturer of SAM C 300 of all modifications) ..

                        My awareness is based on many years of service, first in the 11th Air Defense Army, and then in the 3th Red Banner Air Force and Air Defense Command. I can figure out where I can get information without you, teach your wife to cook borsch better. fool
                        Quote: Inok10
                        - participation in work to extend the life of 5В55РФ products



                        Isn't this SAM used in the "decommissioned" S-300PS air defense system? The photo was taken at a position in Lian village.
              3. ROD VDVshny
                ROD VDVshny 18 July 2015 23: 11
                -1
                Quote: Bongo
                Quote: Inok10
                clearly .. figured on his knee a couple of months ago.

                On the knee, you do not need to estimate. Here is a snapshot from an "enemy" resource - the real location of medium and long-range air defense systems in Belarus and the European part of the Russian Federation.

                If the data on this card is the same as the card itself fool wassat
                I kind of didn’t drink sedny ... but the Pskov region is not on it request
                1. Bongo
                  Bongo 19 July 2015 00: 43
                  +2
                  Google glitches request She certainly is, look carefully, just not signed.
            3. Vadim237
              Vadim237 18 July 2015 16: 33
              +4
              At the moment, missiles with a launch range of 400 kilometers, for the C 400, have not yet begun to enter the troops, so at the moment the launch range of the most modern Russian air defense system is limited to 200 kilometers.
              1. Inok10
                Inok10 18 July 2015 20: 04
                +5
                Quote: Vadim237
                At the moment, missiles with a launch range of 400 kilometers, for the C 400, have not yet begun to enter the troops, so at the moment the launch range of the most modern Russian air defense system is limited to 200 kilometers.

                ... I recall the 48N6E3 SAM with a range of 250 km. since 1997 in service .. hi
                1. Bongo
                  Bongo 20 July 2015 07: 42
                  +1
                  Quote: Inok10
                  .. recall the 48Н6Е3 SAM with a range of 250 km. with the 1997 year in service ..

                  Most of the available missiles are earlier versions with a shorter launch range. In addition, it is a great misconception that SAMs can be used at maximum range for any targets at any height. The real range of fire at low altitude KR and tactical aircraft in difficult jamming conditions is about half of the maximum.
        3. Vadim237
          Vadim237 18 July 2015 16: 28
          +1
          It looks like the S-500 and Sarmatian air defense systems, we will see in the troops a year like this in 2020 not earlier.
    2. Pula
      Pula 18 July 2015 07: 59
      +7
      ... yes "article for article". It is enough to ask the question, who loses what more from BSU, and everything will fall into place. The banality is that weapons of this type are being developed not for defense or defense, but for sale (even for cutting after the SALT agreement). It should not be forgotten that all "everyday life" began as military or sports developments. Money is a commodity - no one can erase money, nor will they allow it. hi PS "Do not give in to panic, save yourself in an organized way." Everyone of pure reason! drinks
    3. Sura
      Sura 18 July 2015 08: 18
      +1
      In addition, the "use of natural resources of Russia" after BSU, as described - how do you, Mr. Orlenko, imagine this?

      They will go to OZKA before removing, mandatory decontamination and so on throughout the territory is a kind of extreme radioactive tourism, which is why, judging by the article of the United States, they want to bomb Russia.
    4. andrei.yandex
      andrei.yandex 18 July 2015 08: 22
      +14
      I have a positive attitude to General Ivashov, because this is not an ordinary general who has retired and is sitting in the "dacha" and writing articles - this is the first thing. Second: he, as a specialist - a professional, albeit retired, does not give a possible scenario for the development of events personally, but the author Leonid Orlenko, therefore criticism is not entirely appropriate, since we are dealing with a mixture of Ivashov's phrases in the article of this author. Please read carefully. And in general, I propose to read different informational information to everyone in order to gain experience of the "Specialist", and not judge from one source.
      1. tanit
        tanit 18 July 2015 09: 56
        -4
        Your personal right. So the fact that in the biography of this well, very verbal-fighting general there is a fad - "the adviser to P. Grachev" -You, apparently, does not bother. Again -Your personal business.
        Yes, I come to you with a counter offer - do not read Ivashov. And, perhaps, your personal alternative thinking will go away from Kabbalah (which you have never read but heard - that this is bad
        laughing )
        hi
        1. andrei.yandex
          andrei.yandex 18 July 2015 13: 28
          0
          The rule is the enemy of my enemy, my friend, does not always work.
        2. ty60
          ty60 18 July 2015 17: 19
          +1
          The God of War sold the armor. Shield-Danians, a sword-Trojan. And I bought myself an acropolis, a luxury chariot .. This is Pasha Mercedes, everything about him!
    5. user3970
      user3970 18 July 2015 08: 45
      0
      Dear avia. Unlike ex-minister Serdyukov and minister Shoigu (a member of the Semya organized crime group), General Ivashov is a real military man, and not a civilian guy, and wearing such stars, even in retirement, Ivashov is better informed and the more he thinks better than the current defense minister and president.
      1. Arikkhab
        Arikkhab 18 July 2015 10: 23
        +1
        about better informed, I wouldn’t get excited ... and another question, what’s the reason for ruining the army under such real military men?
        1. andrei.yandex
          andrei.yandex 18 July 2015 13: 41
          +5
          Because such soldiers were not at the most key posts, and they were quantitatively in the minority. Power at the end of the Soviet era belonged to "the heirs of the Trotsko-Leninist guard." In my opinion, this is suggested by the logic of circumstances. After all, the army as a whole did not do anything when the USSR was brought down.
          1. Lenivets
            Lenivets 18 July 2015 15: 02
            +1
            "Because such soldiers were not in the most key posts, and they were quantitatively in the minority."

            but there were

            "After all, the army as a whole did not do anything when the USSR was brought down."

            Do not you feel the contradiction? hi
            What were these "combat" and "real" generals doing at that time?
      2. andrei.yandex
        andrei.yandex 18 July 2015 13: 36
        0
        I support. There are still people who can think with their own heads, then break through.
    6. Rus2012
      Rus2012 18 July 2015 09: 23
      +12
      Quote: avia1991
      I'm not an expert

      The author of the article is an amateur, and that’s it!
      What is worth, for example, only this passage -
      First, at the present time, the Topol-M and Yars mobile complexes are moving in cars along the country roads under the supervision of the American space intelligence system and saboteurs.

      Instead it is necessary urgently disperse these mobile complexes throughout the country and hide in the forest, underground, in hangars, etc. Each complex should have several spare positions, to which the complex must secretly move from time to time in order to change its coordinates.


      All PGRK have many routes of combat patrols, and in peacetime (not during the OP and VP), they "walk" along the training routes and then moving only during the "windows" from the observation of the CS ...

      And this passage is generally a complete paragraph -
      - create mobile railway missile systems of the type that were in the USSR, although small sensors can be placed on them using saboteurswhich will start emitting signals for guiding missiles only on X-day;

      just the author has no idea about the subject of the description ...
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 18 July 2015 19: 08
        -1
        Well, damn how many couch experts divorced, people, well, you don’t understand these issues, but the General understands. Here Rus2012 decided to laugh at the General:
        - create mobile railway missile systems of this type, which were in the USSR, although small satellites can be placed on them with the help of saboteurs, which will start emitting signals to guide missiles only on X-day;

        just the author has no idea about the subject of the description ..
        ,
        but in vain, the general has a complete picture. For example, I read Maxim Kalashnikov’s book 8 years ago, in which it was reported that American laser sensors were found on all our BZHRKs for target designation, and they were discovered by chance during the repair of one train.
        So the General knows what he is writing about, and here the people have solid hatred, solid patriots.
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 18 July 2015 21: 22
          +2
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          American laser sensors for target designation were detected on all our BZHRK,

          ... facts, bare facts, please provide:
          Where, Who, When, and what sensors!
          The history of the Strategic Missile Forces does not know such cases!

          Opinions, self-conceit, the whiter the literary fantasies of anyone, anyway - NOT ACCEPTED!
          1. pilot67
            pilot67 19 July 2015 14: 05
            0
            I read an article about it on the forum, and Kalashnikov read about it intelligently. But about saboteurs, it’s true Amerians were everywhere in 90. In Pashino, near Novosibirsk, conscripts were stolen by conscripts from American inspectors. So there’s counterintelligence on the ears. some kind of electronic equipment was.
        2. Wheel
          Wheel 19 July 2015 02: 10
          +1
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          For example, I read Maxim Kalashnikov’s book 8 years ago, in which it was reported that American laser sensors were found on all our BZHRKs for target designation, and they were discovered by chance during the repair of one train.

          Oh, damn it! laughing
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 19 July 2015 09: 29
            -2
            Your right not to believe, but you at least know who Maxim Kalashnikov is, he is a former war correspondent and had access to almost any treble.
            Here in his book it is described in detail and I am not guilty if you have not read this book.
            And the fact that this is not widely known, then everything is clear, because what kind of power wants to voice such shameful moments for itself, who wants to consider themselves a sucker and sloppily? Like, under the nose of such suckers, someone stuck a laser designator onto the train. Yes, you can just bribe one person and he will install everything.
    7. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 18 July 2015 10: 53
      +4
      Ivashov, the man is certainly not stupid, but he said it back in 2009 and set the time of the attack for 2012-2013, the United States and BSU also have enough problems and missiles do not hit targets and missile defense missiles and missile defense cannot intercept the ballistics, but they are working on it and improve the BSU system and weapons, but ours do not stand still, besides the United States understands that with this option, China will not stand aside and Europe will burn in flames.
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 18 July 2015 21: 35
        0
        Quote: tilovaykrisa
        Ivashov man is certainly not stupid

        ... and not as "white and fluffy" as we would like to be, - they say among the true generals - Currency and Parquet General
        In the life of the “simple army officer” Leonid Ivashov, several amazing events took place. Who honestly "pulled the strap" will understand me. In 1971, Ivashov immediately entered the Frunze Academy from the "high position" of the company commander. In 1976, after a serious injury as a result of a car accident during exercises, instead of being fired into the reserve “due to flight” and health condition, a sick major is appointed to the post of senior adjutant to the USSR Minister of Defense, Stalin’s People’s Commissar Dmitry Ustinov.

        It is unlikely that Ivashov’s deep knowledge and extensive military experience contributed to his prestigious appointment (by the way, the last post of the future “strategist and commander” in the troops was the deputy regiment commander for combat training). In Soviet times, this was clearly not enough to be included in the nomenclature, strong ties and a correct origin were needed. Just with this, Leonid Grigoryevich was all right. A high-ranking relative in the military party elite, a favorable marriage, the ability to please and guess the wishes of his superiors, all this helped Ivashov already in the 33 of the year successfully land on the floor in the "Arbat Military District", on which he lasted a quarter of a century.

        In the distant 1976 year, with the light hand of the Minister of Defense Marshal Ustinov, the fate of officer Ivashov changed dramatically. Now in his life came real military happiness. While classmates at the Tashkent VOKU and the Frunze Academy were wandering around the garrisons, dying in Afghanistan, resisting the collapse of the Union, Ivashov received early ranks, dust-free staff posts, orders for long service, rested in prestigious military sanatoriums, was surrounded by Moscow apartments, summer cottages, advanced degrees.

        Each year, the apparatus weight of the adjutant and the secretary of the minister steadily increased, and even the death of the benefactor Ustinov did not in any way affect the career of Ivashov. Sokolov replaced the Stalin Commissar, Yazov replaced Sokolov, and Leonid Grigoryevich still sat tightly in the chair of the Defense Ministry’s business affairs. During the coup of the 91 year, Ivashov not only evaded responsibility and did not land on the bunk near Yazov, but also managed to become one of the leaders of the commission investigating the GKChP's activities in the armed forces. In the morning Leonid Grigorievich was looking for treason in military groups, and after lunch he visited his former boss Yazov in the Lefortovo pre-trial detention center. In the future, this ability to please "both ours and yours" will serve Ivashov more than once.

        ...

        Ivashov’s second advent to the military department of the Russian Federation took place in 1996, when the new Minister of Defense Rodionov invited Leonid Grigoryevich to head the Main Directorate of International Military Cooperation. It was this structure in the mid-90's that was the ultimate dream for many officers and generals of the impoverished Yeltsin army. Through it went the secondment of military specialists abroad - to study, to work in the apparatus of military advisers, to participate in international exercises.

        Foreign business trips were paid in currency, which for combat officers was the only chance to earn and stay afloat. By the way, Ivashov himself visited 58 countries during his service in the MVS GU, many of which, according to him, more than once. Only on travel and hospitality expenses, savings from the receiving side, it was possible to make a good fortune in those years. It is not surprising that many officers from the troops were ready for a lot to get into the treasured lists for going abroad.

        full - http://board.compromat.net/20120722/44238.shtml
    8. NordUral
      NordUral 18 July 2015 12: 37
      +2
      I can imagine the use of the resources of destroyed Russia. The vile West may wait fifty years after BSU. There is also Africa and other places where the necessary resources are available. And after the destruction of Russia, if this happens, the "golden billion" will stand on ceremony with no one. Next is China's turn and that's it. Therefore, it is necessary to prepare defense against BSU and simultaneously prepare an irresistible counter strike against the United States.
      Only the likelihood of such a blow has restrained the Yankees from attacking us all these years.
      1. KUOLEMA
        KUOLEMA 18 July 2015 20: 36
        +4
        If we just wait 50 years and BSU doesn’t need ourselves to an acceptable amount of 15 years, we’ll die out the attitude, then, in general, the people of our elite haven’t basically changed enough passages of Narusova to read something you don’t hear that she was attracted by 282 or the structures that reacted somehow should have been set and react it turns out that she expressed the opinion of our elite here is the answer to you why they don’t attack us everything goes as the uncles from the West are planning
  3. Igor39
    Igor39 18 July 2015 06: 03
    +5
    BSU is a fairy tale like SOI.
    1. anEkeName
      anEkeName 18 July 2015 07: 08
      +10
      Exactly. Before the Russian launchers are hit, "goodies" have already been sent from them. No wonder the Ministry of Defense is building new early warning radars. And our opponents understand this.
      1. dvk
        dvk 18 July 2015 08: 44
        +3
        early warning tools worked and are working (and are improving). In the event of a US attack, ALL of our missiles will fly there before they arrive. And the army is for Europe, their states will not bomb. That's all that keeps it up to.
      2. aleks700
        aleks700 18 July 2015 08: 47
        -2
        It is not in vain that the Ministry of Defense is building new early warning radars.
        With the arrival time of the 10 missiles min? No wonder of course but not enough.
        1. Wheel
          Wheel 19 July 2015 02: 20
          +1
          Quote: aleks700
          With a missile arrival time of 10 minutes?

          Does anyone have such missiles? belay
          Did you go to school?
          There, in the course of physics, the concept of ballistics was given a little, re-read for general development ...
          For a non-ballistic trajectory, again, a speed of 5-10M is required, this is hypersound and so far they are only playing a little ....
      3. Arikkhab
        Arikkhab 18 July 2015 10: 26
        +1
        only one thing interferes ... with EBN, the state of the Russian army was much worse and then they didn’t attack ... why saisch? mythical about finish building?
        1. aleks700
          aleks700 18 July 2015 13: 11
          +3
          only one thing interferes ... with EBN, the state of the Russian army was much worse and then they didn’t attack ... why saisch? mythical about finish building?
          when ebn, Russia did not represent anything that was a threat but did not represent at all ... The situation has changed.
          1. Tugarin
            Tugarin 18 July 2015 19: 53
            +1
            when ebn, Russia did not represent anything that was a threat but did not represent at all ... The situation has changed.

            Has changed? That is, we have become a total threat?

            Using the resources of destroyed Russia


            If the ultimate goal is resources, then they were under EBN wink
            1. Dam
              Dam 19 July 2015 02: 32
              +2
              Under EBN, resources very quickly and faithfully went to the pind 'wasps without war
      4. lestad
        lestad 18 July 2015 22: 48
        0
        you forgot about yellowstone wink one of our rocket bursts is enough to arrange an apocalypse for them smile
    2. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 18 July 2015 19: 22
      +4
      Yes, under Reagan, SDI was a fairy tale, but now this tale is becoming a reality, it is not in vain that Russia is so opposed to the American missile defense in Romania and Poland.
      But BSU, unfortunately, is already a complete reality and correctly the General said that we overslept it. Well, you can’t be such jingoistic patriots as in 1941, everyone was noisy too, they say they don’t dare attack us, we’ll throw their hats and attack! Indeed, in the north we generally have no cover either sea or air. And the Americans have 5000 tamoghawks alone, and knocking them down is not easy, as some here believe.
      1. Wheel
        Wheel 19 July 2015 02: 23
        0
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        Yes, under Reagan, SDI was a fairy tale, but now this tale is becoming a reality, it is not in vain that Russia is so opposed to the American missile defense in Romania and Poland.

        What does SOI have to do with it?
        Russia opposes missile defense in Europe for one simple reason that this is an extra headache, absolutely equivalent to RSD under the Union.
        In principle, it is not dangerous, but the head hurts (and on both sides).
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 19 July 2015 09: 34
          0
          But because missile defense is the main element of SDI.
  4. burmundia
    burmundia 18 July 2015 06: 06
    +16
    It remains to cover with a sheet and slowly crawl towards the cemetery))))).
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 July 2015 10: 46
      0
      In the event of such a war, I have an NZ for three years, so crawling away with a sheet in the cemetery is canceled. The rest of the world will continue to live its own life, and in those areas of the United States and Russia there were nuclear explosions, life will return in a few years, too, but without a person - like in Chernobl.
      1. Commodus
        Commodus 19 July 2015 21: 34
        0
        the rest of the world will not continue; in the best case, one and a half hundred poison warheads will fly into Europe, if not more. Plus, China will work on all its opponents in the region, including America too. But he most likely will not touch us. Because the bulette is not for us the Chinese and what will be the things to do - starting from disinfecting the water and ending with a simple thing from there, almost two lard will survive very well and they will want to eat and drink, and the war in Siberia with the Russians will not do anything . And throughout Europe, radioactive rains and a cold nuclear winter. And by the way, there will be no gas from Russia. Absolutely. So perhaps Africa, Australia and some other islands will be the surviving land.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 20 July 2015 19: 20
          0
          China will not enter into any war, they are not stupid, Europe will say no to the attack, you guys will understand your problems there and South America will also survive so that the rest of the world will live on.
  5. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 18 July 2015 06: 24
    +4
    US is not preparing for a land war

    Article plus. Everything is logical and justified, and is confirmed by recent actions by the West.

    However, the West pumped natural resources from the country in the post-perestroika years. There is no need to conquer a country if you can buy a government. I don’t know about the nuclear strike, because they will need to extract natural resources on our territory. You won’t deliver the same forest radioactive. Then no. There will be no war. If GDP is not shot, the Yankees will rattle around the borders with rattles. Chaos will be complete, it is not in vain that the Jews returned to the country; they get hot there.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 18 July 2015 06: 56
      +8
      Quote: MainBeam
      Article plus. Everything is logical and justified,

      how to say....
      At present, Russia is making a strategic mistake: it is actively preparing for a large-scale land war using the latest weapons systems (T-50 fighter, T-14 tank, new ships, new missiles, etc.). Meanwhile, the United States plans to defeat Russia with cruise and ballistic missiles without getting involved in a ground operation. Therefore, most of the GWP-2020 weapons program is a waste of money ..
      the author is probably not aware of the systematic replenishment of our strategic missile forces with new complexes? and the fact that the T-50 as well as the T-14 are not going to be released in large quantities so far? Creepy catching up? request
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 18 July 2015 08: 05
        +10
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        the author is probably not aware of the systematic replenishment of our strategic missile forces with new complexes?

        And isshho he is not aware that from submarines earlier "will fly" - in 6-7 minutes, and not in half an hour.
        beam warheads,
      2. 78bor1973
        78bor1973 18 July 2015 08: 10
        +11
        “In the tunnels, missiles must constantly move in wagons on rails, with exits to the surface for launching missiles.” This idea, as far as I remember, in the late 70s was thrown by the USSR as disinformation, our response created a BZHRK, here the author proposes everything together, complete nonsense. And it’s not realistic to keep track of every complex on the MBP, killed and then the Minutemans come in - they’re a hundred years old at lunchtime, a fairly decent number of them simply will not come out of the mines! We just sit and watch how they inflict on us and we have nothing we can’t do it, I don’t believe it!
      3. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 18 July 2015 20: 04
        +3
        the author is probably not aware of the systematic replenishment of our strategic missile forces

        Dear Andrei Yurievich, I assure you that the author is aware, but you probably read the article inattentively.
        He didn’t catch up, but predicted one of the options for attacking us, by the way a very real option. In 1941, many also thought that they would not dare to attack us.
    2. Sirocco
      Sirocco 18 July 2015 07: 05
      +4
      Quote: MainBeam
      Everything is logical and justified,

      Not everything is so logical and justified.
      Here is an example from the Passive system.
      In tunnels, missiles must constantly move in rails in cars, with exits to the surface for launching missiles.
      If it is known that the missiles are in the Metro, and the metro in Moscow, then all this zilch is complete, an open secret. not compatible with mystery.
      mines with intercontinental ballistic missiles and submarines at piers should be protected by electronic warfare measures and anti-aircraft systems
      This is tantamount to a poster with capital letters. Attention here is SNF.
      And so on, from the category I did not understand.
      So the article is controversial.
      I think all this is to distract attention, they will act in combination - hybrid, but not as large as in the article.
      What the United States is doing well now, Color Revolutions.
      What is wrong? this is a war on its territory, and this is what we need to help with, just what can we offer them?
      1. Mainbeam
        Mainbeam 18 July 2015 07: 36
        +11
        Quote: Sirocco
        will act combined hybrid, but not so large scale

        That's just in scale a business. To scale all a business! ALL BUSINESS ON THE SCALE!
        There will be no land war against us. Shooting small tanks and airplanes. Either they will cover it with a copper basin, or they will buy a government, but not as in 90, but as in Ukraine. Large-scale and with a twist. So that EVERYONE could not pick up the machine. To not have time to take. Swamp crap - a magician’s distraction in front of the trick; dummy for people.

        If you look at the actions of the Anglo-Saxons over the past couple of centuries, you can see the scale and progression of hostile actions against Russia. I would even say inevitability. We will never be friends. If they don’t crush us, or if we don’t manage to throw us their caps, then there will be confrontations with the swings in one direction or the other.

        There was already a period when they wanted to bombard us with nuclear bombs. That even then they rotted, I do not know and do not understand. But now they are fully preparing for this. Take, for example, the missile defense system in the Czech Republic and Poland "against Iran." And if they have the idea that with acceptable losses they can do it, then they will do it. So there is no possibility yet.

        And at the expense of the Orange Revolution, you are absolutely right. So we already had it in the 90 years. All in full: Americans wrote a constitution, a civil war on the outskirts (in Chechnya), privatization with the withdrawal of capital abroad, the collapse of education, the collapse of industry. The same thing we observed in Georgia. The same thing happens in Ukraine. Well, in Iraq, etc.

        Quote: Sirocco
        What is the United States doing well now? it's a war on its territory

        Their 11 of September became the occasion for the introduction of anti-terrorism laws on their territory, and now there is no question of any freedom. States are the same police state as China. In the states, uneducated rams are worse than in Ukraine. While warm, no one will jerk. And BelyDom is doing everything to ensure that the states remain a hegemon, and inside the country it is dry and warm.
        1. andrei.yandex
          andrei.yandex 18 July 2015 08: 30
          0
          I support. By the way, you are right with the government, it seems that it is far from cloudy, for this I suggest reading two articles as a topic for reflection:
          1. The CRIMINAL MODE launders its past. PUTIN PERMISSED PERSONS AND THIEFS TO CLEAN THE INTERNET ON KABBAL RECIPES - http://communitarian.ru/publikacii/skrytaya_storona_vlasti/kriminalnyy_rezhim_ot
          myvaet_svoe_proshloe_putin_razreshil_zhulikam_i_voram_zachischat_internet_po_rec
          eptam_kabbaly_15072015 /
          2. AMERICAN WALLET OF A MODERN BILLIONARY DMITRY MEDVEDEV - http://communitarian.ru/publikacii/skrytaya_storona_vlasti/amerikanskiy_koshelek
          _skromnogo_milliardera_dmitriya_medvedeva /
          1. tanit
            tanit 18 July 2015 09: 42
            +3
            I recommend you voluntarily surrender to psychiatrists. laughing
          2. Dam
            Dam 19 July 2015 02: 36
            -1
            Psychiatrist in the studio! Have a conscience before the fall aggravation even further
      2. Mainbeam
        Mainbeam 18 July 2015 08: 50
        +5
        Quote: Sirocco
        In tunnels, missiles must constantly move in rails in cars, with exits to the surface for launching missiles.

        Ours began to produce in the 90s (?) Mobile "Topoli", which roll on the surface. China has gone further. He dug tunnels, launched analogues of Topol in them. Pretty boy. According to various estimates, tunnels up to 5 thousand km. (from Moscow to Baikal). Therefore, the proposal to lower nuclear weapons underground is not a bullshit, but an example of an interesting solution.

        When else will you dig tunnels and how much will it cost? And the subway is already there. You can put it on railway mobile platforms and lower it underground now. And there are many exits to the surface of the Moscow metro. And Moscow, like no other city, is protected by air defense systems. Maybe the author and the dreamer, but there is a rational component in his words.

        A few years ago, a message appeared in China about the presence in the country of about 5 thousand km of tunnels for various purposes. In the 2010 year, the United States became interested in the possibility of deploying its new intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) in tunnel shelters, and already in the 2011 year, some American media began to exaggerate the assumption that 3 thousand nuclear tunnels could be hidden in 3 thousand miles of Chinese tunnels warheads (YaBZ). The Russian echo of these news echoed the discovery in China in 2011 of 10 thousand nuclear weapons and the increase in 2012 of the number of all nuclear weapons accumulated in China to 20 thousand.


        According to updated Western information, China has 17 obsolete Dongfang-3A medium-range liquid ballistic missiles (BMBMs), Dongfang-17 intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs), and X-based 4 Dongfang-20 ballistic missiles. The new generation of missile forces is represented by the 5 Dongfang-60 solid-fuel solid-fuel ballistic missile (the same class as the former Soviet RSD-21 Pioneer system) and the 10-20 Dongfang-30 / 31A ICBM (Chinese equivalent of the Russian RS system -31M "Topol") - total 12 – 130 strategic monoblock nuclear missiles. It is predicted that by 140, the number of Dongfang-2015A ICBMs will reach 31 – 75 units. The latest developments include the Dongfang-100 solid-fuel ICBM with a multiple warhead (41 – 6 warheads) for soil-mobile and rail-mobile launchers.
        1. Arikkhab
          Arikkhab 18 July 2015 10: 42
          +1
          But what do the Chinese put on their apl?
      3. aleks700
        aleks700 18 July 2015 09: 04
        +3
        mines with intercontinental ballistic missiles and submarines at piers should be protected by electronic warfare measures and anti-aircraft systems
        This is tantamount to a poster with capital letters. Attention here is SNF.
        Which poster? And without this, the Yankees know where and what is. It is very sensible to equip electronic warfare systems.
      4. ty60
        ty60 18 July 2015 17: 35
        +1
        A large batch of Kalash in Texas. Each of them has 8 zinc with ammunition. And a company of rear-ensigns in the supply centers.
    3. ty60
      ty60 18 July 2015 17: 31
      0
      But I’m not quite sure what they requested. Having escaped from Russia, they are now fleeing Iran. There is no brave fighter in the world than a frightened Jew.
      1. Mainbeam
        Mainbeam 20 July 2015 12: 02
        +1
        Quote: ty60
        not quite sure what requested.

        http://topwar.ru/78259-putina-poprosili-dat-vozmozhnost-vernutsya-desyatkam-tysy
        ach-evreev-emigrirovavshim-v-90-ev-izrail.html

        The head of the regional organization “Crimean Forum for the Protection of Constitutional Rights of Citizens” Leonid Grach appealed to Vladimir Putin with a request provide citizenship of 40 to thousands of Jews who moved to Israel after the collapse of the USSR,
  6. Autopilot
    Autopilot 18 July 2015 06: 33
    +6
    However, the gloomy picture ... More like one of the television versions about what humanity will die out: a supervolcano will explode, an asteroid will crash into the earth or the ice age will suddenly begin ... Another horror story.
  7. 1536
    1536 18 July 2015 06: 49
    +2
    It sounds like an invitation to the Americans to start a nuclear war. Like start, guys, the strength is on your side. And it will be too late. Somewhere I already heard it. In my opinion, when they bombed Yugoslavia. And not from the same source.
  8. prishelec
    prishelec 18 July 2015 06: 50
    +1
    "Among the missiles suitable for a rapid global strike, there are two types: first, missiles that are invisible to Russian radars,"
    Those. Do they have invisible missiles for Russian radars? or all the same, this is not true! what
  9. Bayonet
    Bayonet 18 July 2015 06: 52
    +2
    Another fruit of an inflamed imagination! tongue
    1. Tektor
      Tektor 18 July 2015 17: 34
      0
      I didn’t even read it. I realized that the author is an impenetrable crank on M.
  10. Nehist
    Nehist 18 July 2015 06: 57
    +5
    Wow, he added especially about the vulnerability of mobile complexes, in fact, their constant movement is the best protection. And where will they find so many saboteurs to control the entire taiga of Siberia and the Far East? !!! Well, yes, the mine installations are very "vulnerable" as far as I remember they are protected from direct supply. And I wonder if everyone burns out where are they going to extract resources? Ivashev falls into senile insanity. I used to analyze and predict more sensibly.
    1. 78bor1973
      78bor1973 18 July 2015 08: 18
      +1
      About the spies, too, neighing, as well as the fact that the "Minutemans" are invulnerable because the missile defense system is covered, as far as we know, the Camp David area is covered by the missile defense system on US territory!
      1. samuil60
        samuil60 18 July 2015 08: 52
        +1
        The author simply loves America very much and sacredly believes in its power and invulnerability. Interestingly, he does not live in Washington?
    2. tanit
      tanit 18 July 2015 11: 24
      0
      So. The whole senile general predicted to you that you and I were destroyed 5 years ago, and you have the audacity to still live ?!
      Not Ivshov somehow. Not patriotic. Yes, you are Putin. laughing
    3. tanit
      tanit 18 July 2015 11: 35
      0
      Ivashov used to be younger. And about insanity ... Well, cosmonauts-Heroes of the Soviet Union also fall into it. It happens. The most important thing when carrying any nonsense is to have a worthy face full of inner light. And the voice is a bewitching voice. Well, and - it is desirable - something sentimental in the track record. And - then, a crowd of apologists is provided (and all the rest are foolish people) laughing
    4. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 18 July 2015 20: 36
      +2
      No need to roll a balloon on the General, he is in his right mind. But you’re not so good, what do you really think that mobile complexes ride all over the taiga? Yes, they are attached to their bases and can’t ride all the time, they don’t go far from the bases. And you do not know that from space the Americans perfectly see every mobile installation? Here is the General and offers to hide them in many hangars, because so far each car has only one garage.
      And do you really believe that a direct hit on the shaft cover is completely harmless?
      Naive people, everyone should do his own thing, the General is just doing his own thing.
  11. air wolf
    air wolf 18 July 2015 06: 58
    +1
    all presidents need, just in case, a test for a psychotherapist ...
  12. Alex Nick
    Alex Nick 18 July 2015 07: 02
    0
    They won’t succeed in a quick global strike. Preparation for it will be noticed immediately. There, beyond the hill, there are also traitors and sympathizers, they will inform where they should be, that is, to us. Attack forces will not be given focus, I think. There are all sorts of military methods and means. So this is a fairy tale for now.
    1. Ushata
      Ushata 18 July 2015 08: 57
      +3
      I agree with you. In addition, there are probably our people in the Pentagon and in power structures. Warn about the attack. No need to panic! Merikos are very afraid of a blow to their territory, and especially their casualties. They have such a panic there that my mother does not grieve! They are accustomed to fight in foreign territories with ultra-small losses, mainly to bomb peaceful cities and a weak enemy.
    2. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 18 July 2015 20: 42
      +1
      That it is well warned, but we need to have the means to repel such a blow or minimize losses from it, if it does happen. And how the General did this and wrote.
  13. Brigadier
    Brigadier 18 July 2015 07: 03
    +1
    In my opinion, the simplest and most effective is at the OFFICIAL LEVEL to warn the Americans that in the event of an attack, we will IMMEDIATELY RESPOND to EVERYTHING that we have! Let them think ... They are also reluctant to die ...
    1. Arikkhab
      Arikkhab 18 July 2015 10: 44
      +1
      and this is somehow incomprehensible from the beginning?
    2. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 18 July 2015 20: 50
      +1
      Not so simple. It is not in vain that the General wrote about missiles with an approach time of 10 minutes, because until they determine the launch of such missiles, until they report to the Supreme Commander, until he consults with his assistants, and time goes on and his only 10 minutes, and the decision on a global retaliatory strike must be made quickly. And here the "point" can play, i.e. there is not enough political will to unleash the third world war.
  14. Semyonych
    Semyonych 18 July 2015 07: 08
    +4
    Of course it’s darkly written, but ...... the concept of a lightning fast global strike was adopted in 2003, a lot of water has flowed since then, I want to believe that in the 12 years that have passed since then, our country's defense has become better.

    PS
    It remains to be envied by the 90-year-old professor for the fact that he retained his capacity for work at his age.
  15. navy33
    navy33 18 July 2015 07: 12
    +2
    All greetings! Put the article a minus, because. the author writes about the BSU not taking into account our perfect air defense, but presents it as a system left over from the times of the USSR. Yes, and in general he is something about "everything is gone!" often mentions. DO NOT BELIEVE !!!
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 18 July 2015 20: 57
      +2
      Are you an air defense specialist? And you do not know that in the north there is no continuous radar field? Do you not know that only two cities of Russia and several military bases are covered by air defense and missile defense systems? Not all silo launchers are protected, don't you know? You can list a lot, but what I did not expect is that so many people are infected with hatred moods.
      1. old
        old 19 July 2015 19: 02
        +2
        Fan Fan tulip! Are you an expert on "everything was lost"? your activity on the site, on this topic, leads to the suspicion that you are a misplaced Cossack! and we will not throw "hats" on anyone - we will throw something else ... and what is not your mind - :)) and you should not call all of us "sofa specialists" here, otherwise you might think that you are sitting in the General Staff of the Armed Forces or in the quiet of the offices of the Security Council of the Russian Federation, slapping on the shoulder between a couple of glasses of vodka of our acting generals and analysts, and they are sharing secrets with you ...
  16. passerby1
    passerby1 18 July 2015 07: 17
    +9
    Reading Ivashov, one gets the feeling that he does not live in the real world, but in some of his fantasies, in which the US and Russia deliver massive nuclear strikes against each other. For a moment, imagine a situation in which all these fantasies of Ivashov became a reality, the United States launched a nuclear attack on Russia using sea-based cruise missiles with nuclear warheads and sea-based ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads, as well as SM-3 missiles and spaceplanes. Suppose that the strike was delivered from a very close range (from the Arctic Ocean) and Russia was unable to timely open the deployment of the US strike force in the Arctic Ocean. Suppose that the Strategic Missile Forces, given the very short flight time, could not respond in a timely manner and were destroyed by 98-99%, including mobile systems. Suppose that submarines equipped with BR were also discovered by US multipurpose submarines in the waters of the Arctic and Pacific Ocean. Suppose that the deployment of American multipurpose submarines was also not promptly opened by forces of the Northern and Pacific Fleet submarines and they remained undetected until a strike was launched against Russian SSBNs. As a result, Russian SSBNs were completely destroyed before the launch of their ballistic missiles. Thus, taking into account all our assumptions, we believe that the US strike was a complete success, that Russia's nuclear forces were destroyed by 98-99%. What will happen next? And then a nuclear strike by tactical nuclear weapons against US European allies will follow, as a result of which Europe will turn into exactly the same radioactive desert as Russia. At the exit, we have the collapse of the world that we know Nuclear winter in the Northern Hemisphere. And who needs it? Who will do this? Or Ivashov believes that BSU without the use of nuclear weapons will allow the United States to destroy 98-99% of Russia's strategic nuclear potential, after which it will not dare to use tactical nuclear weapons? If this is so, then this is generally complete stupidity, firstly, even the use of nuclear weapons at BSU does not guarantee the destruction of the strategic nuclear forces of Russia before they strike back or counter strike, what to speak of non-nuclear weapons, and secondly, no one there will be time to realize that the strategic nuclear forces of Russia have been destroyed, nuclear attacks by tactical nuclear weapons on the territory of the NATO countries, on which missile defense components are located, will begin immediately after it becomes clear that a massive blow has been dealt to the strategic nuclear forces of Russia, even not nuclear weapons, as is actually stipulated by the military doctrine of Russia.
    1. sevtrash
      sevtrash 18 July 2015 09: 37
      +4
      Quote: passerby1
      Reading Ivashov, one gets the feeling that he does not live in the real world, but in some of his fantasies, in which the US and Russia deliver massive nuclear strikes against each other.

      Any nuclear weapon will be hit, including tactical ones; it will probably be easier to get it. The same SM3, which are located in Europe.
      In addition, nuclear weapons are being improved, including in the direction of creating "clean" bombs, remember when they said / banned neutron charges. Work in this respect is probably going on, so the "nuclear winter" may not take place - hence the Americans' hands in this regard may be free.
      The threat seems quite real.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 19 July 2015 03: 04
        +4
        Quote: sevtrash

        Any nuclear weapon will be hit, including tactical ones; it will probably be easier to get it. The same SM3, which are located in Europe.
        In addition, nuclear weapons are being improved, including in the direction of creating "clean" bombs, remember when they said / banned neutron charges. Work in this respect is probably going on, so the "nuclear winter" may not take place - hence the Americans' hands in this regard may be free.
        The threat seems quite real.

        After reading the comments, I drew on one peculiarity ... Gentlemen-comrades, WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER A NUCLEAR CONFLICT IN THE FRAMEWORK OF ONLY RUSSIA-NATO? What was the reason why China was discarded, Korea, India? That is, it turns out that they will "smoke" on the sidelines while Russia and the US are trying to find out in a nuclear frenzy, who will live on Earth?
        I will upset you very much by saying that they will not give a damn about clean or dirty charges. Why? Yes, because all over the world there are nuclear power plants that are not protected in any way, dams, chemical plants, etc.
        And now the question for the "smart guys" - HOW MANY NUCLEAR CHARGES DOES CHINA HAVE? I think that not a single person here will give an intelligible answer to this question, since China has never voiced figures on this issue anywhere.
        And the last moment, to someone who rants about the fact that nuclear war is not as terrible as they say, the question came to my mind for at least a second, “AND NATURE, UNTIL EVERYONE IS FRIENDLY TO BRING IT TO YAO, WILL I QUIETLY WATCH IT ALL?”
        Even if someone survives, what will they eat and drink? Chew their own footbags and drink urine? Food stores do not count, since in the first you need to know where they are, and secondly, you still need to get to them.
        And you don't need a lot of clever talk with a smart look of analysts, poking around in the internet, looking for the statements of academicians. None of them was beyond that line, and God forbid. Therefore, before something "creative" write about that how it will be "good" after the nuclear war, and that in a year everyone will go to work again, think not with the head of academicians, but with your own head.
        Has anyone bothered to even look at the statistics on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Or maybe someone knows how many Chernobyl liquidators survived?
    2. War and Peace
      War and Peace 18 July 2015 09: 39
      +4
      Quote: passerby1
      And then a nuclear strike by tactical nuclear weapons against US European allies will follow, as a result of which Europe will turn into exactly the same radioactive desert as Russia.


      Do you think that the Americans are so stupid and do not know about the "radioactive desert" and all the same increase their YS? They all know, there is and will not be ANY RADIACTIVE DESERT, at least in the next 50 years, only an increased radioactive local background will remain from nuclear strikes. In the 50s, the USSR tested nuclear weapons at the Ural proving grounds and Novaya Zemlya, the Semipalatinsk proving grounds with a total number of more than 200
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Хронология_ядерных_испытаний_СССР_(1949—1962)

      so there is NO radioactive desert THERE AND in a dozen other years this land will already be suitable for human habitation.

      Quote: passerby1
      At the exit, we have the collapse of the world that we know Nuclear winter in the Northern Hemisphere.


      It seems that the so-called "nuclear winter" is some kind of a fairy tale, for the very purpose of calming the public by making this public believe in the DETENTIVE BEGINNING of JAS.
      The Americans are EVERYTHING READY for war, but why did they prepare so much time?
      1. passerby1
        passerby1 18 July 2015 13: 24
        0
        About how, it turns out all that the West and the USSR talked about the horrors of nuclear war, these are all fairy tales. It turns out that nuclear weapons are only slightly more dangerous than usual, and nuclear winter is generally a fairy tale. Of course, you are a much more authoritative specialist in nuclear winter issues than Academician N.N. Moiseev and K. Sagan, therefore, based on your arguments, you can safely unleash a nuclear war.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 18 July 2015 16: 50
          0
          Nuclear winter in the current conditions, it is impossible that all charges, both ours and the USA, should have a capacity of at least 1 megaton and their number is five times greater than what we have now, and now we have charges from 100 to 300 kilotons. A bomb with a capacity of 57 megatons was blown up over Novaya Zemlya and not what, people, animals live there and there is no radioactive desert there.
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 18 July 2015 21: 04
            -2
            I fully support, I somehow on the occasion managed to get a secret military newsreel from the Semipalatinsk test site. So there, just a few hours later, people were at the epicenter of the explosion, but in the OZK, and a few days later they were free there without any protective equipment.
            Therefore, I think that about nuclear winter it is horror stories for the poor.
          2. albert
            albert 18 July 2015 21: 10
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            there is no radioactive desert.

            The fact is that in Kuzkin’s mother, 97% of the energy was released as a shock wave. The infection level was not great. But if a significant amount of osmium was added to the charge shell, the radioactive infection would be monstrous.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 19 July 2015 09: 59
              +1
              Osmium - it is necessary to put several tens of kilograms in this bomb, and given that this metal is extremely rare, this bomb would be the most expensive bomb in the history of mankind to add this material - now 1 gram of osmium costs $ 200000.
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 19 July 2015 03: 32
        +1
        Quote: War and Peace
        It seems that the so-called "nuclear winter" is some kind of a fairy tale, for the very purpose of calming the public by making this public believe in the DETENTIVE BEGINNING of JAS.
        The Americans are EVERYTHING READY for war, but why did they prepare so much time?

        Oh well! Americans are ready to say ... That is, China, India, Korea are just stupidly forgetting and only the USA and Russia are waging war?
        But I’m interested in nuclear plants, chemical production facilities, burial grounds, chemical weapons depots, dams, and again we forget the same waste systems ...
        Nuclear Winter, say a fairy tale? Okay. Suppose for a moment that you personally survived with your family. What’s your next step? What will you drink and eat, my dear, when everything is fonty, it’s infected with chemistry, sorry excrement, waste and God knows what else .. .and your child, he doesn’t know that his dad believes that after a nuclear war it turns out he can live. He wants to eat.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 19 July 2015 10: 04
          +2
          There will be no nuclear winter, but there will be an environmental disaster, but this disaster will cover areas where nuclear explosions occurred, and given the size of our country, we will have a lot of land where radiation levels and environmental conditions will be normal.
    3. aleks700
      aleks700 18 July 2015 13: 36
      +3
      Thus, taking into account all our assumptions, we believe that the US strike was a complete success, that Russia's nuclear forces were destroyed by 98-99%. What will happen next? And then a nuclear strike by tactical nuclear weapons against the European allies of the USA will follow, as a result of which Europe will turn into exactly the same radioactive desert as Russia
      Well, the Yankees spat on Europe. Europe is more than Europe is less. But if our people get to Paris ... Well, it's a fantasy.
  17. reut.sib
    reut.sib 18 July 2015 07: 19
    +2
    Americans are unlikely to go to an open confrontation, they will not get an answer, and they won’t seem to the whole world. Everything will be quick and not long, no one will dig trenches. Therefore, who will bathe or not, will call him into the army again or do not call, live, study others will decide for you and will not ask for advice.
  18. Sonata17
    Sonata17 18 July 2015 07: 27
    -12
    To those who scold the author: the state of our Strategic Missile Forces, to put it mildly, leaves much to be desired. For example, the air component - how many Tu 160 are now combat-ready? That's right, 6 - 7 pcs. Marine - how many boats are combat-ready? Well, about 5 - 6. Ground - generally funny. Not far from me there is a military missile camp, so there American officers periodically hang out! "Shak tshaaa, daragie rasseane ..." (c)
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 18 July 2015 08: 23
      +2
      Quote: Sonata17
      To those who scold the author: the state of our Strategic Missile Forces, to put it mildly, leaves much to be desired. For example, the air component - how many Tu 160 are now combat-ready? That's right, 6 - 7 pcs. Marine - how many boats are combat-ready? Well, about 5 - 6. Ground - generally funny. Not far from me there is a military missile camp, so there American officers periodically hang out! "Shak tshaaa, daragie rasseane ..." (c)

      a new troll has appeared ... for a while ... laughing
      1. bondman
        bondman 18 July 2015 09: 13
        +1
        "a new troll showed up ... briefly ... laughing"

        - It is not necessary to turn this resource into a "censor" by its rejection of someone else's point of view, it may not be a "new troll" either. Let him try to argue the above. For example, this - ".. Not far from me there is a military town of missilemen, so there American officers hang around from time to time! ..". If not, that's another matter.
      2. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 18 July 2015 21: 14
        +1
        And why did you sonata17 so zaminusut, well, he was a little mistaken. Tu-160 is not 6-7 combat ready, but 10-12. And with the submarines, I wrote so almost correctly, we have only 9 of them (meaning boats with ICBMs), and a couple of boats are always in minor repairs after the trip.
        And American officers have every right to visit rocketeers, since this is spelled out in the START-3 treaty for control, by the way, and our officers are roaming around under the same treaty.
        1. Sivan
          Sivan 20 July 2015 10: 31
          0
          Quote: Fan Fan
          And American officers have every right to visit rocketeers, since this is spelled out in the START-3 treaty for control, by the way, and our officers are roaming around under the same treaty.


          Here is what is spelled out under the START-3 treaty:
          Two types of inspections are foreseen. Inspections of the first type are intended to confirm the reliability of the declared quantities of deployed strategic offensive weapons. Inspections of the second type make it possible to confirm the reliability of data on undeployed, converted or liquidated weapons. Such inspections are carried out at ICBM loading points, SLBM loading points, ICBM, SLBM and ICBM mobile launcher storage areas, ICBM, SLBM and ICBM mobile launcher repair sites, test sites and training sites. During the year, no more than 10 inspections of the first type and no more than 8 inspections of the second type are allowed. Each of the parties has the right to carry out at any given time no more than one inspection on foreign territory

          And how can they constantly to roam in the same town? This is a stuffing.

          By the way, about START-3 and General Ivashov:
          President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems Leonid Ivashov praised the signed agreement: “Russia did not succumb to the pressure of the Americans and concluded a favorable agreement for itself. Firstly, we managed to throw off the “controlling shackles” when the Americans vigilantly watched not only the production of our ballistic missiles, for example, at the Votkinsk plant, but even tracked the movement routes of mobile missile systems. Now, under the terms of the contract, this will not happen ”
    2. samuil60
      samuil60 18 July 2015 08: 55
      +2
      The guy from our New Hampshire. Another one.
    3. ty60
      ty60 18 July 2015 17: 50
      +1
      Next to me is the Tatischevskaya division. Topol ... In all its glory. At forty kilometers Engels airbase strategists. Flights are all visible. Guard! Chef, everything is gone! -Tell the marines of the mattress. As long as we are alive, we will fight!
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 18 July 2015 21: 19
        -1
        Well ty60, I don’t envy you, because if something happens, it will fly to you first of all. I’m joking, of course, but there is some truth in every joke.
  19. Gorjelin
    Gorjelin 18 July 2015 07: 42
    +3
    Representatives of the Republican Party believe that the United States is ready for a global war in all respects: military, economic and ideological - and a quick global strike should have been carried out yesterday. Another part of the elite - from the Democratic Party - believes that the United States needs another 5–7 years to prepare for a new world war.


    I would like to believe in the adequacy of power in the United States, but there are more doubts. The author, of course, exaggerates, but you never know what is in the head next to another McCain.

    It is necessary that Russia's possible response to any global blows discouraged any such thoughts from the mattress.

    Everyone needs to work properly .. and not just in your pocket. This is a matter of survival ...
  20. passerby1
    passerby1 18 July 2015 07: 46
    +5
    What I wrote above does not at all mean that you need to sit back and do nothing in connection with the development of the concept of the Belarusian State University by the United States. First of all, Russia needs to clearly determine what specific goal we want to achieve by developing measures to counter the BSU. From my point of view, the main goal should be to ensure the preservation of the potential of Russia's strategic nuclear forces, which is necessary for the USA to cause unacceptable damage. As can be seen from what is being done, it is precisely these goals that we are trying to achieve. A further increase in the number of deployed PGRCs, equipping them with separated warheads, the revival of the BZHRK, the construction of boreas, all this clearly indicates the adoption of measures aimed at increasing the combat stability of the strategic nuclear forces of Russia. The development and implementation of missile defense systems is also aimed at improving the combat stability of nuclear forces covered by missile defense systems. Continue to build capacity aimed at neutralizing US missile defense systems, both in Europe and in other parts of the world. It is necessary to develop the military infrastructure in the North to ensure timely detection of the deployment of US forces and means necessary for applying BSU across Russia. Continue to develop and improve the missile attack early warning system. At the same time, we absolutely do not need to enter the arms race with the United States and develop our own analogues of BSU.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 July 2015 10: 35
      +2
      Our East Kazakhstan region looks like this, together with the Strategic Missile Forces and strategic aviation, but in terms of the number of missile defense missiles, we are well behind the United States.
  21. GUKTU
    GUKTU 18 July 2015 08: 27
    +10
    I do not understand the sarcasm of the cheers-patriots. We certainly have modern weapons, but they are much smaller than shown on TV. For example, the Iskander brigade complex (Total six). About the same thing in aviation, navy, tank building, etc. Ivashov may have thickened colors, but military people know what a comprehensive assessment of the enemy’s troops is and the adversary should not be underestimated in this matter. Now in the media there is a lot of information about our successes in manning troops with electronic warfare systems. This is certainly good. But do you really think that in the EU and the USA, with their advanced developments (developments) in the field of electronics, EW issues are not paid attention to? Of course, our people have high morale, but the foot of a mattress soldier will not set foot on our land until 75% of our armed forces are destroyed (in my opinion, such a figure was in the United States military charter). And they will kill us precisely with precision weapons from which most of our country is not protected and this is a fact
    1. Serjio stirlic
      Serjio stirlic 18 July 2015 08: 40
      0
      Such an option. A tape in 10 is possible. Unless of course we will do nothing. And so I completely agree with your comment.
    2. 78bor1973
      78bor1973 18 July 2015 09: 57
      0
      High-precision weapons will end within a few days of their use, you want an example-bombing of Libya, and this is with an average intensity of flights, and the fact that we have most of the country is not protected is true, only this majority is not populated by people! And in terms of electronic warfare, in general, we are ahead of the rest, the Americans do not see such a variety of systems!
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 18 July 2015 10: 17
        +2
        If the Americans do not have a variety of electronic warfare systems, then this does not mean that they do not have these systems - just now they are putting a similar system on B 52 bombers, it is able to simulate the attack of 140 aircraft at once and divert missiles.
        1. 78bor1973
          78bor1973 19 July 2015 15: 20
          0
          We had such a system on the Tu-95 back in the days of the USSR, only its effect is somewhat different, it is not possible to aim!
      2. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 18 July 2015 21: 27
        -1
        And in terms of electronic warfare, in general, we are ahead of the rest, the Americans do not see such a variety of systems!

        Well, this is some kind of propaganda, how do you know what the Americans have, then intelligence doesn’t know everything, but you already know everything.
        People, well, enough hatreds, it’s indecently simple.
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 July 2015 10: 29
      +5
      Shell C1 generally does not hope for complexes, we have 40 air defense systems throughout the country and need several hundred, military operations in Syria have shown that this complex is ineffective against fighter aircraft - Israel has raided Syrian military installations several times and not a single plane was shot down by these complexes, and there were 50 of them in service with the Syrian army.
      1. Nord2015
        Nord2015 18 July 2015 22: 28
        0
        Shell C1 in Syria and has never been used. Why, this is already a question for the Syrian military. So, you should not judge the effectiveness of this complex against fighter aircraft in the absence of even attempts to use it.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 19 July 2015 10: 07
          0
          What do you mean were not applied? in Syria, all anti-aircraft defense is in combat condition and the ZRPK Shell also serve every day.
  22. Serjio stirlic
    Serjio stirlic 18 July 2015 08: 28
    +1
    When I was doing military service ... in which troops I think you will guess. wink In class, in class, I asked an officer. I just asked a "stupid" question: how many missiles are needed to destroy the United States.
    Answer: in order to destroy all living things in the states, four missiles are enough, so that the states disappear as mainland North America, eight more .. A volley will be from 600 missiles .. SIX HUNDRED !!!
    What do I want to say ?! All these rattles of nuclear weapons by both our side and the American will remain only rattling. NOBODY WILL USE IT NEVER! It will be a scribe to everyone! And no matter how hard the Americans push, they are guaranteed to burn out in a nuclear fire. I don’t even want to talk about it.
    As for aegis and so on ?!
    Even if, God forbid, by chance, someone or someone will have a desire or want to play a nuclear war with Russia, although I know for sure there are none in the world ... In turn, it will strike at all these about Ajis and so on. , both on land and at sea. Do you think the Iskanders are standing in Kaliningrad? No, they stand for the destruction of the euro pro.
    Also in the sea there are enough means and opportunities to destroy Aegis ships.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 18 July 2015 21: 35
      +1
      to destroy all living things in the states, four missiles are enough,

      Listen, but it's funny, what are 4 rockets? Even if the missiles have 10 warheads, then this is only 40 targets. And in America there are 300 large cities, with millionaires needing to launch several charges in cities.
      1. Serjio stirlic
        Serjio stirlic 19 July 2015 03: 34
        +1
        Well, let's calculate approximately? There were bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaka, one 16 kilotons, the other 18, I could be wrong, but I think this is not particularly critical.
        Wikipedia says that 60.000 – 80.000 died in Nagasaki, and 90.000 – 166.000 in Hiroshima.
        Pay attention to the death toll. The numbers are scary!
        Now let's look at a hypothetical strike against the United States, a heavy R-36M rocket.
        The charge power of one 20 megatons (!!!). In one megaton, a thousand kilotons! Further mathematics: 20 mg = 20 ct or 000 tons of TNT!
        4 rockets = 80 megatons = 80 TNT.
        Therefore, I say, no one will ever use nuclear weapons! The scribe will be both him and us!
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 19 July 2015 03: 42
          +2
          Quote: Serjio Stirlic
          Well, let's calculate approximately? There were bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaka, one 16 kilotons, the other 18, I could be wrong, but I think this is not particularly critical.
          Wikipedia says that 60.000 – 80.000 died in Nagasaki, and 90.000 – 166.000 in Hiroshima.

          Uh, no. You count to this day. Ancology, infertility, the birth of disabled children and freaks, etc. ... there will be an order of magnitude higher.
          And Wikipedia is pro-Amer’s content, so I won’t be surprised if it will soon be announced that it was the Soviet Union that bombed nuclear cities in Japan.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 19 July 2015 10: 11
          +1
          We have no more monoblock warheads of 20 megatons in service.
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 19 July 2015 04: 05
        +2
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        And in America there are 300 big cities, and millionaires need to launch several charges in cities.

        And in China, Korea, India, there is one more missile for each city. And if, for example, a nuclear plant is dropped near a nuclear power plant, then everything does not look at all rosy.
        I’ll tell you, dear, I’ll tell you one thing, only don’t be offended (K / F Mimino), it’s not enough 4 missiles, but one that the whole world is crushed to dust. Because, as soon as the first missile goes to the target, 10 will fly to the meeting , and in response from all sides 100 and so on ... and then think about what will happen to those megacities and 300 cities.
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 19 July 2015 10: 10
        0
        They will not shoot at cities - all targets are military.
        1. Sivan
          Sivan 20 July 2015 10: 41
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          They will not shoot at cities - all targets are military.

          But what about the headquarters, infrastructure, Moscow at last?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 20 July 2015 19: 23
            0
            I say that they will hit primarily in Moscow because the general staff and the government are here.
  23. BMW
    BMW 18 July 2015 09: 16
    +3
    What are optimistic comments, but what about history lessons?
    I remember before the Second World War, they were also going to fight on foreign territory.

    Quote: Serjio Stirlic
    to destroy all living things in the states, four missiles are enough, so that the states would disappear as mainland North America, eight more.


    The question is, why did the USSR have such a number of missiles and nuclear warheads, is there that the country and the Moscow Region were stupidly led?
    1. Serjio stirlic
      Serjio stirlic 18 July 2015 09: 54
      0
      What are optimistic comments, but what about history lessons?
      I remember before the Second World War, they were also going to fight on foreign territory.


      I'm a little about something else. My post is about weapons of mass destruction. In the Great Patriotic War, there were no such weapons. And yet, if my memory serves me, they fought in the Second World War on foreign territory.

      The question is, why did the USSR have such a number of missiles and nuclear warheads, is there that the country and the Moscow Region were stupidly led?

      then the race was, of arms. wink
      1. BMW
        BMW 18 July 2015 14: 05
        +2
        Quote: Serjio Stirlic
        , in the Second World War on foreign territory fought too.


        They fought for a year, and three on their own, and the Germans occupied the territory like all of Europe (without the USSR).
        And the victims of 15 million among the civilian population. It’s how to understand, but it’s very simple - they were engaged in cap-making and fraud, and this under total control. And now? After all, nuclear weapons are not a panacea and not a 100% guarantee of a quiet life.

        Quote: Serjio Stirlic
        then the race was, of arms.


        Such costs cannot be justified by this, there was a different strategy and situation, and now they are trying to put us in the same position. But then there were much more saucers than now.
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 18 July 2015 21: 43
          0
          Thank God there are sensible comments, but the impression is that the majority are not at all in the topic or the war is judged by computer shooters.
          Here is General Ivashov in the subject, and here they all ran into him like pick-ups or couch experts or cheers-patriots.
          1. Serjio stirlic
            Serjio stirlic 19 July 2015 03: 37
            +1
            Where do you see in my words cheers-patriotism ?! You are definitely a couch expert.
  24. Ushata
    Ushata 18 July 2015 09: 22
    0
    It is necessary to have several nuclear submarines on alert in the Arctic Ocean (under the ice). Boats cannot be found under the ice, and a retaliatory strike can be organized very quickly. And we are the masters in the Arctic. And missiles are not far from the mattress. Mattress makers are aware of this and are afraid. And in general I do not understand why pin_dos need a global nuclear strike on Russia. There was so much noise and consequences from Chernobyl alone, and if several thousand powerful nuclear charges explode, then what will happen. All of Europe will turn into a nuclear dump, and the whole planet will not get sick. "Nuclear winter" will come, and the mattress mats will suffer great damage. And then, what will our enemies do in our territory, polluted and poisoned for hundreds of years? What natural resources will be used? So, guys, don't worry, bassoons won't rock the boat. And our military capabilities should not be underestimated! Putin is great and Shoigu too! The army has risen, like the country from its knees and power is growing, this should be welcomed. It's only the beginning!
  25. MilitaryKAZ
    MilitaryKAZ 18 July 2015 09: 47
    0
    My opinion of the UN should be closed or transferred to a neutral zone, for example in the Mediterranean, and remove all Marmons from the United States, the Dark Forces that rule the whole world. and no war ....
  26. provincial
    provincial 18 July 2015 09: 59
    +1
    In the age of electronics, it can create a mechanism for virtual changing the landscape of the location of mines or reprogramming the coordinates of the terrain laid in the enemy’s rocket. They need to think and turn to young specialists, they concoct what makes amers hair stand on end. No need to panic. Just thoughts aloud.
  27. Dikson
    Dikson 18 July 2015 10: 03
    +8
    The meaning of the answers to the article was reduced to one thing ... - and we ... and we ... and if we don’t get America, we will turn Europe into a radioactive desert ..! So what? What was arithmetic taught at school? Not a single air defense or missile defense system can cope with three or four hundred targets that go simultaneously .. at least come up with the S-800 .. The whole point of such a nuclear confrontation is the fear of getting an answer. Even if it’s not so massive, but real .. Regarding the Northern borders .. Well, read it .. -Americans there have thrown so many smart devices since the 70s that they know who and when drives our belly on our ships ... And already in the Yeltsin era - in general, there was a passage yard .. Does everyone know about Rust here? And about how a couple of obscure comrades on a yacht stuffed with sparkling electronic equipment reached the Yenisei Gulf along the Northern Sea Route from Norway, nobody heard? Well, right, it’s not to fly to Red Square .. But this cruise through half of our north took place in the 80s .. 82 or 83 years .. And they caught their usual merchant parachute, and the sailors and not the KGB .. By article. - about underground bases and railway tunnels .. Once under Yeltsin, he arrived at a top-secret nuclear plant in a closed proud American. Greenpeace. Korean American, (attention!) - Colonel of the US Army .. Siberian ecologists rejoiced with the leadership of the enterprise, which baked weapons-grade plutonium, like grandma’s pies .. They drove the guest everywhere, rode on a boat .. but don’t be, take it out of the ordinary coordinates of the entrances to the underground complexes via satellite and transmit to the Pentagon. Right in front of admiring Russian secret nuclear scientists. And even under the cameras ... So he left. Probably for the medal .. So no saboteurs are needed for a long time - everything in 20 years has been shot and pointed a hundred times. And yet - no country needs Russia. With no president and authority. Need resources. And in a nuclear conflict, access to resources is closed. About twenty years old. After all, people live in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? So the Americans can hit. And then wait until we have a break from radiation diseases and the background weakens. And to hell with Europe bombed by us - America will survive ..
    1. War and Peace
      War and Peace 18 July 2015 10: 39
      +4
      Quote: Dikson
      None of the air defense or missile defense systems can cope with three or four hundred targets that go simultaneously .. at least come up with the S-800


      at pind_day uncle already has a hundred orlibiers with cm3-74 pieces of cannonder, the Japanese fleet is already equipped with cm3 / 6 with a range of 4 thousand. km 6 thousand. km and altitude up to 150km
      here and count the number of missiles that the Americans will be able to attack our nuclear weapons ...
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 18 July 2015 14: 11
        +1
        And all these missiles have not yet sat down.
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 19 July 2015 04: 27
      +1
      Quote: Dikson
      And in a nuclear conflict, access to resources is closed. About twenty years old.

      You tell the residents of Pripyat how much that will be closed there. I think they will not laugh, but they will whimper who is still alive.
      Quote: Dikson
      So the Americans can hit. And then wait until we have a break from radiation diseases and the background weakens. And to hell with it, with Europe bombed by us - America will survive ..

      Wow. Wow, I'll go give up. lol
      That is, we don’t take into account the area of ​​our country at all, as well as population density. And I’m wondering from which hangover the United States can remain intact even with resources in the future? I’ll explain, do you think that the nuclear conflict will probably be not global, but local. two states into each other nuclear weapons, so why? Neighbors, allies and just peaceful countries will look at this, say: Oh, not good, and the next day banks, shops, factories, etc. will open.
      It turns out that the same China will calmly look at what is near (and maybe not near) with its borders will detonate thermonuclear charges and say that it does not concern them? Isaac Asimov, well, just smokes from such a flight of fantasy.
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 19 July 2015 09: 55
        +4

        And in a nuclear conflict, access to resources is closed. About twenty years old.

        You tell the residents of Pripyat how much that will be closed there. I think they will not laugh, but they will whimper who is still alive.

        I explain it popularly: during a nuclear explosion, the bulk of nuclear materials burn out, and during a nuclear explosion, these materials do not burn out, since this is not a full-fledged nuclear explosion, that is, these materials fly around the soil surface, which is why there is such an exclusion zone in Pripyat.
      2. Dikson
        Dikson 19 July 2015 11: 31
        +2
        Dear NEXUS, why do I need residents of Pripyat? My classmate worked for some time in Novaya Zemlya ..
        Yes, basalt pebbles melted, an unpleasant place, frankly, but not fatal. If there are brains. And below, by the way, everything was correctly explained to you. an ejection or explosion at a nuclear power plant is not an explosion of nuclear weapons at all ..
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 19 July 2015 13: 20
          +1
          Quote: Dikson
          Dear NEXUS, why do I need residents of Pripyat?

          Yes, then, that one of the few places where there was something similar to the post nuclear situation was there.
          To one wise guy here I asked a question, apparently I will have to ask you one too.
          After the nuclear war, you and your family survived. Your actions?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 19 July 2015 20: 49
            0
            Remaining in my bunker - (a two-level basement with an area of ​​400 square meters) and waiting for the benefit of medical supplies and everything else is enough for three years, 3 days after the nuclear attacks I will try to get in touch with someone and check the radiation background.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 19 July 2015 20: 59
              +1
              Quote: Vadim237
              Stay in your bunker -

              Have you already dug it and prepared the reserves?
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 20 July 2015 19: 29
                0
                Like 4 years ago, it was dug up and equipped just under a new repair base at the first level, the spare parts warehouse was made, and at the second level, stocks for emergency.
      3. War and Peace
        War and Peace 20 July 2015 14: 01
        0
        Quote: NEXUS
        You tell the residents of Pripyat how much that will be closed there. I think they will not laugh, but they will whimper who is still alive.


        illiteracy uncle, you don’t know what the bazaar is — don’t get into an argument,
        products with a long half-life are terrible, therefore the Chernobyl land is so deserted for a long time, but after the nuclear attack the radiation infection will not be long,
        another example of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, people live there now and the radiation background corresponds to the average ...
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  28. tanit
    tanit 18 July 2015 10: 04
    0
    And what a wonderful article. The general point of the article is all (except for Ivashov fans) - stupid people. laughing
    Dear forum users, is it worth taking seriously the nonsense from the article? Some have already reached Kabbalah. laughing
  29. den3080
    den3080 18 July 2015 10: 30
    -2
    The article was a real pleasure smile
    Tunnels need to dig !!! Using the experience of construction ... METRO !!!! laughing
    And all this is exclusively in the Moscow region and ... roll rockets through the tunnels in carts continuously.

    Watch the video. It is very similar to this article, in spirit, informative and ... meaning wink

  30. ksv36
    ksv36 18 July 2015 10: 50
    -1
    And who allowed the mattresses to write on this portal ??? The mess ... An article in the firebox. IMHO.
  31. Dikson
    Dikson 18 July 2015 10: 56
    +3
    And in the article there is one sad thought .. - indeed, in which case, according to our doctrine, we are going to fight again on our territory .. Well, or in Europe .. And we are not going to fight with our real main enemy. We will answer him iff cho .. Judge for yourself: the ground forces, tanks, air defense - that's all for the European Theater and its territory. And if, hypothetically, the Americans with their fleets are quite capable of landing on our territories with their land forces, then we stupidly have nothing to get to the states on. The Strategic Rocket Forces is a weapon of retaliation .. Well, our tanks will ride around Paris or Berlin, for example .. Washington from this, by and large, is neither hot nor cold .. And our tanks just won’t get to Washington .. - is it sense to rivet them in large quantities then? Space and fleet are our only defense ..
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 18 July 2015 11: 54
      +3
      And what do minusers disagree with in my post? What, will our tanks fly over the ocean across the ocean, or do we have enough of the BDK to transfer tank divisions across the ocean? Ah, I get it! Our Airborne Forces itself, without any support, will take over the states .. Willingly I believe. by the way. Only the sides of the airborne forces still need to fly, through air defense and enemy aircraft to the point of release. And what about the situation with the Air Force? Minus, this is not the point, after all, but that it is real, besides our Strategic Rocket Forces, it does not hold anything. And yes, of course, Moscow needs to be protected and covered. Let everything fly on it, maybe more people in the hinterland will survive, get machine guns from the attics and, through the Bering Strait, skiing, raise the flag over the ruins of Washington ..
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 18 July 2015 13: 58
        -1
        If there is a limited nuclear conflict, then half of the nuclear warheads will fly to Moscow, and no one will fire at the outback.
    2. Serjio stirlic
      Serjio stirlic 18 July 2015 12: 56
      0
      And what does Paris and Berlin have to do with it? In World War II, fascist Germany attacked the USSR, That was the capture of Berlin. Napoleon, then there was Paris ... And if there are state aggressors, it means Washington. I have included this logic and I advise you.

      Quote: Dikson
      Ground forces, tanks, air defense - this is all for the European Theater and its territory.

      Very interesting thought.
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 18 July 2015 13: 48
        +2
        Here you are, well done, about logic. And now, remember geography ... And try to get to Washington from Russia by land ...
        1. Serjio stirlic
          Serjio stirlic 18 July 2015 16: 21
          +1
          Washington means it may come to us on dry land, but we do not. Strange geography.
          You understand. I'm not saying that everything is fine with us and we are "on horseback." In fact, today Russia can rebuff any state. I repeat: for today ... If we stagnate and stand still, then tomorrow , maybe someone will want to try us "on the tooth". That's all!
          1. Dikson
            Dikson 18 July 2015 16: 58
            +3
            Quote: Serjio Stirlic
            Washington means it may come to us on dry land, but we do not

            That's right. From military bases in Europe and Asia. If you aren’t in the know, these are American tanks today rolling around the Baltic states and other Europe. Have you heard anything about our tanks anywhere near the state borders? I’ll ask you again: How are you going to move to another continent? Swim? How many BDK do we have? How many ships of the probable enemy will they meet on the way? count at least the number of ships ... By air? for God's sake, do arithmetic and also count the number and ratio of the Air Force. ours and a potential adversary .. Thank you for your attention ..
            1. Serjio stirlic
              Serjio stirlic 19 July 2015 03: 49
              0
              I am in the know. Then speak more clearly. Geography is one thing, and geopolitics is another!
              Why should I count? These figures have long been known to everyone. I just don’t understand what you mean by that. And why move to swimming on another continent?
              There are no fools in Europe! There are pawns, like the Baltic states and Poland! in Germany, for example, they perfectly understand what the war with Russia might threaten.
              I here seem to tell you obvious things, but I am already accused of "urapatriotism".
              You’re a typical alarmist. I started a conversation with you in vain.
  32. remy
    remy 18 July 2015 10: 56
    0
    This article is real nonsense !!!!
    - layered anti-submarine lines deployed.
    - RC Perimeter system, on alert.
    - Well, about BSU, I wrote earlier ... they will choke on the attack!
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 19 July 2015 00: 27
      +2
      The delirium is just with the local couch experts.
      layered anti-submarine lines deployed.
      Yes, we cannot even cover the coastal seas; there are not enough funds.
      - RC Perimeter system, on alert.
      The system is old and on what duty it is known to few. And that's not the point, the Perimeter system launches the same missiles that are in mines and submarines. But you read the article carefully, it says that it is easy to destroy the submarines right at the berths, go to Google Earth and see them yourself, for example, the village of Vidyaevo on the SMF. Likewise, mine rockets, because the location of all the mines under the agreement is known to the Americans, and someone here said that the mine can withstand a direct hit of a nuclear charge into the cover. Well, complete nonsense.
      choke in the attack!

      And you know that the troops have only about 30 Carapaces, and to cover the mine you need at least two Carapaces. Say that we have a lot of other systems, I will answer, yes, there are enough, but they cover Moscow, and not the strategic nuclear forces. For some reason, the "fools" Americans covered not Washington, but the silo launchers.
      You can write in general for a long time, but the point is that General Ivashov wrote everything correctly.
  33. denpom2
    denpom2 18 July 2015 10: 57
    +2
    If the Americans had a chance, with impunity, to bomb Russia, then the United States did not miss it. am
    1. Serjio stirlic
      Serjio stirlic 19 July 2015 03: 51
      0
      That's right!
      We must write it was in bold!
  34. VladimS
    VladimS 18 July 2015 10: 58
    +1
    Do not worry so much.
    I repeat again!
    Even if you imagine that Russia will not be able to answer the blow, it’s absurd.
    Our Strategic Missile Forces will not fire a single one, that's just not a single shot, the survivors on planet Earth are waiting for not happy decades ... The fruits of such a "victory" in the proper form, hardly anyone will take advantage of. And it seems to me that under such a scenario, the living and survivors will still envy the dead ... After all, not only bombs and missiles, but also petrochemical enterprises, etc. will be looked at.
    as the consequences of the first explosions.
    So to panic and rush to extremes, it makes no sense.
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 18 July 2015 11: 19
      +1
      There is more alcohol - inside and out, a plastic film and filters for water and air purification .. - ten years, how one day will fly by! Nature will simply take its toll. Well, he’ll pony them for a couple of years, a bald beast runs through the woods, and then, quiet and grace ..
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 July 2015 14: 07
      +1
      Unfortunately, this scenario will only be ours and the districts of neighboring states, and the rest of the world has lived and will continue to live.
    3. ty60
      ty60 18 July 2015 18: 25
      +1
      An old joke. Dad and son are walking in the Chernobyl region. Dad, what was there before? Earlier, son, there was a nuclear power plant, said dad and stroked his son on the head. And then? And then there was an explosion. Dad, probably the consequences were terrible? Well, you, there were practically no consequences, said dad and again stroked his son on a square head ...
    4. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 19 July 2015 00: 44
      0
      You are mistaken and very much, there Hiroshima and Nagasaki are now quite decent cities, on the site of the Semipalatinsk test site now the sheep are calmly grazing. But in our country they will not bombard the taiga and gas and oil fields, since they themselves need gas and oil, so our population will be reduced by 10 times to make slaves of the rest.
  35. 31rus
    31rus 18 July 2015 11: 19
    +3
    I don’t understand why such aggressive criticism? But Ivashov outlined exactly what our Defense Ministry is doing now (with the exception of some points), you respected will take a closer look at the exercises and understand that everything is written, these are unexpected troop transfers and exercises Air defense and aviation, so everything is fine, I think all the same, the main miscalculation is not in the number and systems, but in our policy, and it was the politicians who allowed it, looked, took no measures, now write, shout, and you need to arm yourself with conventional weapons and Nuclear weapons
    1. Sivan
      Sivan 19 July 2015 20: 59
      0
      Quote: 31rus
      I don’t understand why such aggressive criticism?But Ivashov set out exactly what our MO is doing now(with the exception of some points), you respected will take a closer look at the exercises and understand that everything is written, these are unexpected troop transfers and the teachings of air defense and aviation, so everything is fine, I think all the same, the main miscalculation is not in quantity and systems, and in our politics, yes, it was precisely the politicians who allowed, looked, measures were not taken, now write, shout, and you need to arm yourself with conventional weapons and nuclear weapons

      Namely, because of such criticism that this is all being done, and Ivashov says this is not done, and catches up panic (or PR?)
      I could note the positive dynamics.
  36. lubesky
    lubesky 18 July 2015 11: 40
    +1
    Not everything is as dull as the author makes. Firstly, the author deliberately does not indicate the system of retaliation - Perimeter, which is on alert and acts as a crowbar in a clash. The author speaks about only 10% of the surviving forces of the strategic nuclear forces (although this is a very optimistic forecast for American strategists), but he forgets about the concept of "the expediency of such a strike" and "unacceptable losses of the attacking side." Back in the late 70s, the Americans admitted that in the mutual exchange of strikes, despite the possible violation of the balance of forces of the strategic nuclear forces, the losses of the attacking side are still "unacceptable." The author claims that we are making a strategic mistake by developing a land group, but he is silent about a much more real potential threat to Russia in the form of its dry borders (the length is off scale), where NATO and China can act as a potential adversary (in China, except for a land attack on there are no other options at the moment). It is in vain that the author thinks that Merica will not be bound by a ground attack, it will successfully use both its own forces and NATO forces, and use them with great pleasure. Well, in general, the conclusion about the insecurity of our strategic nuclear forces has nothing to do with reality, or rather, such a conclusion took place in the year 2002-2004, no later than.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 19 July 2015 00: 56
      +1
      retaliation system - Perimeter,

      Do you know for sure that she is on combat duty, or maybe she has already been removed from duty? And that’s not the point, the Perimeter system launches the same missiles as in mines and submarines. But you carefully read the article, it says that submarines are easy to destroy right at the berths and mine missiles are also vulnerable.
      Back in the late 70s, Americans recognized

      Yes, in the 70s, we had parity with them in arms, and now they have 10 times more weapons, and this is without NATO.
      The author claims that we are making a strategic mistake by developing a land group,

      Yes, he correctly states, since now only nuclear weapons will save us. Or do you still not believe that enemies are stronger than us? If you do not believe me, then I remind you that America is now spending more on military needs than all the other countries of the world combined.
      Well, did you get a little?
  37. them
    them 18 July 2015 11: 52
    +1
    As far as I know, the essence of Russia's military doctrine is not to defeat the United States (who wants them), but to ensure that the results of a retaliatory strike are not acceptable to the United States. I think that as a result of such an answer, the United States will be somewhere in the 19th century. In any case, world leadership will have to be forgotten. In general, it follows from the article that we have only id-iots in our leadership. Fortunately, this is not so.
  38. den3080
    den3080 18 July 2015 11: 54
    +2
    Such an answer, after which two new civilizations - rats and cockroaches would begin to develop on Earth. Interesting - would they think of weapons of mass destruction?

    Of course. Dichlorvos and strychnine wink
    Although in those days the secret will be lost and will remain only in legends, about the same as now vimana.

    1. Dikson
      Dikson 18 July 2015 12: 02
      +3
      .. "I bought a crayon for cockroaches .. -
      Now, on the floor of the seed,
      They draw in different poses.
      Me ... " wink
  39. ivanovich
    ivanovich 18 July 2015 12: 05
    +4
    At present, Russia is making a strategic mistake: it is actively preparing for a large-scale land war using the latest weapons systems (T-50 fighter, T-14 tank, new ships, new missiles, etc.). Meanwhile, the United States plans to defeat Russia with cruise and ballistic missiles without getting involved in a ground operation.


    Why are couch experts so unhappy with the article ?!
    What will you do if an American nuclear warhead falls into your beloved city and after the explosion part of it is wiped off the face of the earth, there is no communication, no electricity, fuel and lubricants depots are burnt, there is no radioactive infection around the basement outside the basement, but you still need to find water , food and somehow warm up if it is in the winter. It’s good that you are safe and haven’t received an exorbitant dose of radiation from which you will vomit blood and radiation disease will begin to develop .... And what is the use of the state-of-the-art Armata tanks and the cool T50 when the entire rear infrastructure is destroyed and where they will fly and go when the Americans are overseas? And this situation is predetermined by almost all Russian cities since We only have missile defense in Moscow. Moreover, the NATO team will strike at our nuclear power plants, depriving the country of energy and turning it into solid Chernobyl with hundreds of kilometers of radioactive contamination, now now think whether Russia needs its own missile defense or not ..
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 July 2015 13: 53
      -2
      We have all the reactors designed for a nuclear strike, they will withstand it, but in the event of such a war, it is necessary to create a NZ, I already created my own.
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 18 July 2015 17: 02
        +2
        Reactors, yes, and the infrastructure adjacent to them, no)) You can after all not run into the reactor itself, but in a nearby spent fuel storage facility, for example .. Yes, just to the turbine hall, in the end .. - Anyway, the nuclear power plant is out of order will come out and the personnel will have to be evacuated, and the reactors will be muffled ..
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 19 July 2015 01: 06
          +1
          But who told you this, that the nuclear power plant can withstand a nuclear strike, and that’s rubbish, but the reactors will turn to dust! In Chernobyl, that a nuclear bomb exploded?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 19 July 2015 10: 18
            0
            They can withstand it, and with us rocket mines also can withstand them they designed and tested for the impact of one megaton, and in Chernobyl, another thing - the explosion occurred from the inside.
            1. Slax
              Slax 19 July 2015 16: 02
              -1
              shkolota, the power of the explosion at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant in 1986 was equivalent to the explosion of 30 tons of TNT, and the explosion power of American warheads is calculated in tens and hundreds of kilotons of TNT, such force and thermal energy will turn the protective shell of the primary circuit of the nuclear power plant into dust and no one will ever remember scientists of nuclear scientists did not design protection of nuclear power plants from nuclear shock, there is only the calculated value of concrete, steel and lead to delay radiation due to the thermal load that will be released during a nuclear reaction
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 19 July 2015 21: 02
                +1
                Shkolota, you said this to yourself, you won’t spend on nuclear reactors - a nuclear explosion with a capacity of 100 kilotons can withstand nearby, the structure is very durable. And at the expense of no one and when you can turn to Rossatom with these questions - the answer will be different.
                1. Sivan
                  Sivan 19 July 2015 21: 05
                  0
                  But you can violate the control system, right? Even if the reactor does not collapse, how do you like an unmanaged nuclear power plant? Again, there are penetrating anti-bunker warheads.
                2. Slax
                  Slax 19 July 2015 23: 29
                  -2
                  shkolota is you, and besides illiterate. to say that the Americans will use and what they won’t, maybe either a minor troll or a complete imbecile, especially about the constructive protection of reactors. and at the expense of contacting Rossatom, I suggest you do it, it will be interesting to know in what form they will send you away
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 20 July 2015 19: 48
                    0
                    And my friends at Rosatom work so I can contact every day and say nothing that I don’t need, everything that the Americans will use is known and is on the surface, but because of your stupidity it’s hard to understand - shkolota is a juvenile troll, it’s imbecile It's been a while already - change the record.
    2. ty60
      ty60 18 July 2015 19: 02
      0
      I already crap ... From fear .. I climbed into Armata and went to get food in the geyrope .. And I got it! Then, having survived by chance, the operator of manual guidance sent a gift, but this is only possible with us! And all that survived will fly! will assign the title of terminator. Everyone will die out. We, too.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 18 July 2015 20: 02
        0
        Only the population of the USA and Russia will die out, and far from everything, the main thing is to organize later.
  40. den3080
    den3080 18 July 2015 12: 20
    +1
    We only have missile defense in Moscow.

    You might think that in the United States or Europe, missile defense covers the entire territory.
    All? smile
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 19 July 2015 01: 11
      -2
      In the USA, the missile defense system is covering a position area with silo ICBMs, but if we had that, then the probability of our retaliatory strike would be higher. And our rulers covered up Moscow, that is, their asses, without thinking that without nuclear missiles their asses were all the same khan.
  41. NordUral
    NordUral 18 July 2015 12: 24
    +3
    At present, Russia is making a strategic mistake: it is actively preparing for a large-scale land war using the latest weapons systems (T-50 fighter, T-14 tank, new ships, new missiles, etc.). Meanwhile, the United States plans to defeat Russia with cruise and ballistic missiles without getting involved in a ground operation. Therefore, most of the GWP-2020 weapons program is a waste of money, since Russia is preparing mainly for a land war, and the United States for a nuclear missile.
    - absolutely right!
    ABM and air defense + means of guaranteed inflicting unacceptable damage to the SGA (to think before attacking). As well as electronic warfare and anti-satellite systems. If this is not the case, then no one will need all the armata, landing ships and other land power. It's time in the Kremlin to understand this.

    And minus the guys in vain! The article is correct.
    1. ivanovbg
      ivanovbg 18 July 2015 15: 31
      +1
      Do not you think that the defense of the state should be multi-echelon? Or are you going to counteract the punishers in Ukraine with a nuclear salvo from SSBNs? Or all of a sudden tomorrow Georgia or the Baltic states or some kind of furious mongrel to find out - what to do? Hollow them with ballistic missiles?

      Conventional weapons are created to defend borders in local conflicts, and strategic nuclear forces, aerospace defense and missile defense - for global ones. Everything has its place.
    2. ty60
      ty60 18 July 2015 19: 10
      0
      We will survive in Armata. Eliminate the consequences.
    3. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 19 July 2015 01: 15
      0
      Well, a person from the Northern Urals is clearly thinking correctly, for we would be more savvy. And one Southern military district will cope with Georgia. For Ukraine, Armata is not needed, enough of Pinocchio, and so that the Baltic states attacked us, this is generally beyond my mind.
      1. Sivan
        Sivan 19 July 2015 21: 09
        0
        Quote: Fan Fan
        For Ukraine Armata is not needed, enough Pinocchio

        Are you kidding me? Let’s replace all tanks with flamethrowers?
        Do not repeat Khrushchev’s mistakes, trying to replace everything with missiles to the detriment of conventional weapons. Because of this approach, front-line aviation, artillery, and surface fleets were destroyed.
        Then it was restored with great efforts under Brezhnev!
  42. oof
    oof 18 July 2015 12: 29
    0
    In which grade of secondary school does the author study?
  43. Motoroll
    Motoroll 18 July 2015 12: 34
    0
    We stamp poplars and yars like sausages.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 19 July 2015 01: 23
      +1
      What kind of sausages have you heard about CNB-3, where it says that we have the right to only 700 carriers, and one ICBM is one carrier. And this rule also applies to submarines and aircraft in the subject. So a lot of them we can not do.
  44. Arikkhab
    Arikkhab 18 July 2015 12: 41
    +2
    By the way, why is it believed that the exchange of nuclear strikes will lead to the destruction of mankind?
    there are mathematical calculations that the current number of nuclear forces (even if we take the power of each warhead equal to 1 mt, which is initially overestimated) is not enough to destroy the enemy (although they are sufficient, under certain conditions, to inflict "unacceptable damage"), which pushed the United States to development of the "global strike" program
    for example article

    Evgeny Pozhidaev: Nuclear myths and atomic reality
    Details: http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1713256.html Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM IA.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 July 2015 13: 45
      +2
      May the exchange of nuclear strikes not lead to the destruction of mankind. especially now the warheads in Russia and the United States. the lion's share is from 100 to 300 kilotons, only we and the United States will suffer, and the rest of the world as it has lived and will continue to live only with other superpowers China and India. After 15 years, this scenario may well come true.
  45. Ponomarev
    Ponomarev 18 July 2015 12: 43
    0
    I completely agree with the criticism of this article.
    The goal of the mythical BSU is to make us spend money on weapons that are useless in the war with the IS (which the SSA persistently lead to our borders) and to distract attention from this threat.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 19 July 2015 01: 27
      0
      Mr. Ponamoryov, because of such an opinion, how we will prepare for a completely different war, and again, in 41 we will be unprepared. You probably think that the IGL is much stronger than the Anglo-Saxons? You are mistaken or specially write so that Russia does not prepare normally for the war against the most bloodthirsty and meanest enemy.
  46. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 18 July 2015 12: 49
    +2
    Indeed, why such a negative reaction to the article? Everything is laid out on the shelves of how they will destroy us and with what missiles, as well as proposals to neutralize at least partially from the impact of a global strike. And the villainy of this vile country like the United States and even the UK will wait at any moment. They will not leave a single object that plays an important role for our country. And therefore, it was already necessary to counteract our opponents back in 2003-2005, and we listened to our libegals with a Jewish darling who lived under any regime and were inactive, all tried to convince different Sobchachek and Gaidarok with the Benedictes.
    1. ty60
      ty60 18 July 2015 19: 15
      0
      Propaganda can be either positive or negative. The reaction to propaganda. You minus. Everything is lost.
    2. Darkmor
      Darkmor 18 July 2015 19: 26
      +3
      why such a negative reaction to the article?

      Because it draws the wrong conclusions based on insufficient knowledge of the subject.

      Most profane people greatly overestimate the power of nuclear weapons, and greatly underestimate the population density factors.
      The main conclusion that the United States is capable of destroying us with a single nuclear weapon is naive. As well as the conclusion that we can destroy the United States in return. We can cause serious damage by damaging most major cities - but this will not be the end of the state.
      The findings that our mine-based missiles can be so easily destroyed are also far-fetched. Requires a direct hit in the manhole cover of a non-nuclear munition, or in close proximity to a nuclear mine. And this is quite difficult, given the effectiveness of the angle of attack for missile defense, when the target goes directly at it and cannot maneuver.
      The conclusions that our mobile complexes are visible from satellites and will be destroyed are generally taken from the ceiling. You think it’s so easy to destroy a guarded truck in enemy territory with a cruise missile.

      Conclusions based on false conclusions turn an article into absurdity. The author proposes to arrange a nuclear arms race to damage the non-nuclear, without understanding the doctrine of its use. But nuclear weapons will be used only in the event of a direct threat to the existence of the state, when other means, including and non-nuclear, no longer help.
      I’ll explain on the fingers — if we don’t climb directly to the USA (and we don’t climb, we don’t have any idea of ​​spreading communism all over the world), and we won’t lose the possible territorial conflict at the border (for which we are re-equipping the army, which will be the strongest on territories), neither they nor we will indulge in nuclear weapons. Because only a third will benefit from the nuclear war of the two states, which did not fit into the war.
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 19 July 2015 02: 00
        0
        Because it draws the wrong conclusions based on insufficient knowledge of the subject.

        Well, of course, a general who has been dealing with strategic defense all his life has little knowledge in it, and some uncle Vasya with Deribasovskaya has very enough knowledge.
        The main conclusion that the United States is capable of destroying us with one nuclear weapon,

        Yes, they are capable, since most likely the British and French will also have nuclear weapons to help them. Or do you think they love us and will not bomb with nuclear bombs. The general wrote that only one nuclear weapon can destroy our nuclear weapons, without which we are nothing.
        Requires a direct hit on the cover

        And didn’t you see how Tomogavk gets into the window, and the window is smaller than the shaft cover.
        You think it’s so easy to destroy a guarded truck in enemy territory with a cruise missile.
        Not easy, but real, since the car is much larger than the window. Have you seen on TV how Jews rocket fall into a moving jeep with Arabs? That is why the general and suggested hiding the mobile Poplars in many hidden hangars. After all, now they have one garage in one base, and it is extremely dangerous, so they must be dispersed.
        The author proposes to arrange a nuclear arms race to damage a non-nuclear
        And you do not know that the damage from nuclear weapons is much greater than from non-nuclear weapons and therefore non-nuclear weapons will not save us. Especially in the United States, we will not get non-nuclear weapons.
        1. Sivan
          Sivan 19 July 2015 19: 45
          0
          Quote: Fan Fan
          Have you seen on TV how Jews rocket fall into a moving jeep with Arabs?

          The distances there are completely different, not several thousand km.
  47. srha
    srha 18 July 2015 12: 51
    +2
    The article is a definite minus, if only because there is not a single calculation. This means a purely media article.

    There are strategic misses:

    - The states themselves may be preparing for an air war, but only in this century did they prepare and provoke 3 ordinary armed conflicts on the periphery of Russia with different levels of Russia's involvement in these conflicts!

    - I do not understand at all why the author decided that the states in the event of a strike against Russia will be limited to a disarming strike. The whole story says that they are not strong in military confrontation, but in genocide: the bombing of Dresden, Hiroshima, Vietnam. And the declassified strike plans do not allow them to think about them differently.

    - There are serious objections to the deployment of nuclear weapons in other countries. Unlike the United States, Russia does not have the ability and tools to control these countries and to control the safety of placing nuclear weapons in them.


    Well, if you include only one indefatigable fantasy in the style of fellow soldiers, you need to start with a mole in the General Staff, which merges all the data on finding mobile installations - but falseand no one knows the real how about a submarine in a raid. By the way, tens of thousands of false mobile installations should be ready - such inflatable painted masks for ordinary truckers (at the same time truckers will work as well) - dressed, puffed, sent on a flight between cities and towns. If now we start to conduct such carnivals that do not fall under arms control agreements, then their spies will go crazy tracking messages from our bloggers about the passage of the next missile complex ...
  48. Dikson
    Dikson 18 July 2015 13: 04
    +4
    Oh well. The article is nonsense. BSU theory is also nonsense. Imagine another, more real development of events. There we are. There is a wild number of Amer military bases around us .. Suppose .. we know for sure - they will hit. Naturally, we are delivering a preemptive strike to all of these bases ... (Well, even if only against them, not to the territory of the states now ..) Look now at the map. AROUND our country, the radioactive ring is practically .. No missile defense system over Moscow will save from radioactive clouds from Europe. And America is beyond the ocean ..)) Even in this situation, without a direct blow to our territory, we will remind the client in a burning brothel .. Therefore, we must do everything so that the amers do not have any thoughts that they will sit behind a puddle and survive. They should know that they will not be left at all ..
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 July 2015 13: 50
      0
      These radioactive clouds will reach us, only they will not bring any harm to us.
  49. 31rus
    31rus 18 July 2015 13: 37
    +4
    No, Ivashov is right, the facts: the Aegis system, about in Europe, SSBNs with CD, the development of hypersonic weapons, the constant watch of reconnaissance ships to open our systems, this is definitely not for a direct invasion, but for the first disarming strike, all US measures say it is about this military doctrine
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 18 July 2015 13: 57
      +2
      And they will hit in the winter. Infrastructure of large cities, hydroelectric power stations and nuclear power plants, attacks on large industrial and transport facilities .. Plus, winter .. And in the spring, most of the infection will be washed into the oceans by floods and rains .. Heh ... Stupid hopes. they will not turn up. The gut is thin.
      1. ty60
        ty60 18 July 2015 19: 20
        0
        Ai themselves, wherever you come from, a tornado. And poplars without roots .. Element!
      2. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 19 July 2015 02: 05
        0
        Was Hitler thin too? Maybe enough on oats hope?
  50. SVD
    SVD 18 July 2015 13: 45
    0
    I think that the Americans are working on preparations for a global strike, but we are also working to counteract this strike - long-range electronic warfare, means to destroy satellites, etc., and at the same time are working to fill up the dollar. This is the best answer and the best global strike in the United States. They will not be up to arms - the money will depreciate, and inside them they will tear their own.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 19 July 2015 02: 07
      +1
      That's just before they realize that they will have nothing to lose with their khan money and can start.