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Who will take Ukraine, or to prepare for the escape?

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Many readers ask us to make a forecast of the development of the situation in Ukraine in the light of today's confrontation between the Kiev authorities and the Right Sector. Everyone understands that the country is "stuck." Need a "reboot" in all areas.



As we have already seen, forecasts for Ukraine are almost impossible. First of all, it is from the Kiev authorities. In the morning we hear some statements, in the afternoon others, in the evening - the third. And all are diametrically opposed. That is why only options are possible. The most likely and proposed for your discussion.

In a stand now, the confrontation between the fighters of the Right Sector and the authorities in Mukachevo. This is the topic of many publications and programs. Someone thinks that Mukachevo is a private initiative of local "pravosekov". Someone, on the contrary, sees a tendency in these events. Someone warns about the beginning of a full-scale civil war ...

It seems to me that in reality the "Right Sector" has moved to action. Open speech against Poroshenko. Moreover, the leadership of the organization openly warned the authorities that "their time is running out."

“If there is a new revolution, the Ukrainian president Poroshenko and his associates will not be able to escape from the country in the same way as the previous president did. They can expect nothing but the execution in some dark basement, which will be accomplished by a group of young Ukrainian military or members of the National Guard. ” This statement was not made by an ordinary member of the organization. This is the official statement of the press secretary of the "Right Sector" Skoropadsky.

In response to the direct threat of Poroshenko is still silent. As it seems to me, he is at a loss. Theoretically, it is possible by force to "calm down" the "oni-children". But only theoretically. Power structures and the Armed Forces of Ukraine more and more often declare their dissatisfaction with the authorities. While there are no obvious protests, but the mood is.

Remember the recent statement of the tank battalion 17 tank brigades. And how many such battalions? The "waves of mobilization" and the lack of real rotation led to the fact that the soldiers are "wild" from an "incomprehensible" war. Why are they here? Why all these deaths, if what was promised does not happen?

No matter how hard Ukrainian propaganda tries, those who sit in the trenches, see perfectly the attitude of the local population towards the Ukrainian Armed Forces. They are not in their territory, but in the occupied. In fact. Constant sabotage, local hatred, lack of normal supply.

And letters or calls from home. And there - frozen salaries, tariffs, pensions. And each letter - a cry for help. And the constant "people's collections of money for those killed in the ATO." The state is completely uninterested in their families.

More dangerous is the situation in the so-called volunteer battalions. According to the law, which was recently adopted by the Rada and signed by Poroshenko, the volunteers of these units seem to have “disappeared”. No such fighters. And on the "no" and ... the status of a combatant. According to the new law, a soldier must submit several documents. Including the order number of the military unit. But the volunteer battalions are not military units. They are volunteer.

But such units are now about 50. Agree, the power is serious. And if you consider that most of the fighters there are “ideological”, they are also formidable.

This is the visible part of the iceberg. But there is also an "underwater". The one that is being talked about, but which is not yet associated with the situation in Mukachevo. it weapon in the hands of the population. That weapon, which in large quantities imported from the ATO zone.

We are no longer talking about pistols and machine guns. Today, in the hands of machine guns, grenade launchers, flamethrowers ...

All these weapons will be used in the case of active force actions of Kiev. And now it is already used for propaganda purposes. Ukrainian media are enthusiastically writing about the seizure of large quantities of weapons.

Here is the alignment got Kiev today. But the question arises - why now is the "smell of burning"? Alas, the answer, as always, is "in the pocket." Economy!

The enthusiasm with which the Ukrainians recently met the formation of the next "battalion" turns its true side. Under the label of the “struggle for the unity of Ukraine”, the most influential oligarchs received armies. Let not able to independently sweep away the state, but the army. Teaming up with the nationalists, such armies will already represent real strength.

Mukachevo - only the beginning of the redistribution of spheres of influence. Three borders with EU countries - a tasty morsel for any "owner" of any territory or army. There is something to clutch in the throat of a competitor. Here I agree with the Ukrainian journalists.

However, we "lost the tourist" out of sight. I mean Yatsenyuk. His cruise in North America is somehow not particularly covered by the media. Well, rides, meets, asks for money. Nothing new. But no. New many!

Yatsenyuk openly declares that Ukraine is ready to sell everything. That is all that is interesting to Western, in particular American, investors. On funny for business conditions. In fact, it looks like this: buy from us what you want, at the price you give.

Kiev relies on the United States and Canada. Europe is no longer so interesting. But what about the local "money bags"? No way. Not effective managers. Though rich.

Russian investors (what to hide behind beautiful words, fans of “freebies”) were legally taken out of “deriban”. Ukrainian almost too. And what will be the reaction on their part?

So what is the way for Poroshenko and the company? History teaches that only one. Either Kiev will establish a dictatorship, or someone else will. Only a dictatorship will give at least some opportunity (it’s too late to talk about guarantees) to remain in power. Tough dictatorship. With all the consequences.

Western military personnel, including "instructors" from the United States, will not help in this situation. Yes, and get involved in the "quarrel" they will not. We only implement this option on our own.

But for such actions a decisive and, to some extent, brave person is needed. What about Poroshenko say the language does not turn. Again, the rotation of officials. Moskal - "to the kingdom" in Transcarpathia! Replace the leadership of the Ministry of Interior! Replace the leadership of the SBU! In the meantime, the Right Sector calmly, without any extra pump, already took control of the whole city. And not just any, but Lvov.

The version of events that is currently being played out resembles a chess zugzwang. Any subsequent move Poroshenko will only lead to a deterioration of the position. We are on the verge of interesting events. And I would very much like the Ukrainian people to really appreciate the possible consequences.
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  1. mig31
    mig31 20 July 2015 05: 46
    +24
    This turmoil in the "state" NON-STATE !!!! endless, "exceptional" of all stripes will rule the outskirts of Russia until it is completely devastated, but the Russians will have to restore it, whatever you say ...
    1. candy wrapper13
      candy wrapper13 20 July 2015 07: 19
      +10
      * "exceptional" of all stripes will rule the outskirts of Russia until its complete ruin, *Mishiko lights
      Ex-President of Georgia, Governor of Odessa Region of Ukraine Mikhail Saakashvili posted on his facebook that Vladimir Putin wants to kill him Znak.com correspondent reports.
      "I was the first to put up armed resistance to Putin, for which he is still publicly threatens to kill me, - the message says. - A person will never be able to work next to me, even with a hint of an ambiguous position about the territorial integrity of Ukraine. On the contrary all that undermines Putin is for Ukraine’s benefit and brings our victory closer(over Ukrainians?) "
      Kiev, July 20.
      Fearless Governor of Odessa Region Mikheil Saakashvili stated that he had evidence of Ukrainian oligarch Igor Kolomoisky’s involvement in smuggling in the port of Odessa. And all would be fine, but Saakashvili said this not anywhere, but on a television channel belonging to that same Kolomoisky.
      “I am ready to present all the evidence. In our honest part of law enforcement there is serious evidence - how money laundering occurs, how taxes are not paid, how the movement at customs takes place. ”- he said on the air of the channel 1 + 1.
      Also, the head of the Odessa Regional State Administration claims that already the ex-governor of the Dnipropetrovsk region threatens him.In addition, Saakashvili claims that Kolomoisky tried bribe members of his presidential team in Georgia.
      Chernihiv, July 19.
      Rada deputy Boris Filatov entered into a skirmish with the head of the Odessa Regional State Administration Mikhail Saakashvili, during which Saakashvili called Filatov "Pumped up com".This happened in Chernigov, where the by-elections of the deputy to the Verkhovna Rada are held, and the main rivals in the district are Igor Kolomoisky’s associate millionaire Gennady Korban and Petro Poroshenko’s protege - Sergey Berezenko.
      The conflict arose at the moment when Saakashvili accompanied the candidate for people's deputies from the "Poroshenko Bloc" Sergei Berezenko. In the park, he crossed paths with MP Boris Filatov, who supports Gennady Korban in the by-elections in the 205th district. Filatov accused Berezenko and Saakashvili of bribery of voters. In response, the head of the Odessa Regional State Administration said that he had no money, and he did not intend to listen to instructions.
      “I don’t want some pumped up read morality to me”- Saakashvili said.
      The people's deputy tried to break through to the governor, but the guards prevented them from starting a fight. Situation defused slogan chant Geta Gang! during which Saakashvili and Filatov went their separate ways. Moving away from the place of conflict, the head of the Odessa Regional State Administration repeated his thesis about Pumped up ke
      1. Tanais
        Tanais 20 July 2015 07: 50
        +5
        Meanwhile, "Right Sector" calmly, without unnecessary fanfare, has already taken control of the whole city. And not just any, but Lvov.

        Here's how! How did I miss this? It seems to be trying to be in "information tone" ... And it must be the same, "prodded" the capture of the whole of Lvov what ...

        Or, nevertheless, the AUTHOR, somewhat "ran into the front of the locomotive"?

        There is a video, there is "extortion of autonomy", there is a moment in which they say that the "pravosek" almost got it from the "autonomists" and ... EVERYTHING! ...

        1. Good me
          Good me 20 July 2015 08: 11
          +2
          Quote: Tanais
          Meanwhile, "Right Sector" calmly, without unnecessary fanfare, has already taken control of the whole city. And not just any, but Lvov.

          Here's how! How did I miss this? It seems to be trying to be in "information tone" ... And it must be the same, "prodded" the capture of the whole of Lvov what ...

          Or, nevertheless, the AUTHOR, somewhat "ran into the front of the locomotive"?

          There is a video, there is "extortion of autonomy", there is a moment in which they say that the "pravosek" almost got it from the "autonomists" and ... EVERYTHING! ...




          This is how FAKES are born. Yesterday this "pursued" in various topics, about "shelling by mortars of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Transnistria", today "the right-wing residents of Lviv took control" ...

          BROWSE US ...
        2. ATATA
          ATATA 20 July 2015 08: 22
          +19
          Quote: Tanais
          Or, nevertheless, the AUTHOR, somewhat "ran into the front of the locomotive"

          Since February, March 2014, on this site and in other "places" the URAPATRIOTS have not ceased to wang the disintegration of the Ukrainian junta from day to day and the flight to the United States or the execution of its leaders by an angry people right in Ukraine.
          Meanwhile, the situation with the places at the moment is talking about something else.
          I take the situation in Dnepropetrovsk as an example. (a relative recently lived there for a month)
          No radical deterioration of the economy is observed, there are difficulties, but they are comparable with the difficulties experienced by the Russian Federation. Under the influence of civil conflict, there is a consolidation of Ukrainian society around the state idea. Hostility towards the Russian Federation increased. The combat effectiveness of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has multiplied.
          So URYAKALKI for 17 months of your vanging about the collapse of the current Ukrainian regime, this very regime has grown stronger not in words, but in practice and now is many times more stable than in March 2014.
          And today, the chances of a hostile, stable and sufficiently strong state through Smolensk, Voronezh, Rostov and Ukraine represented by Ukraine have increased many times over for many decades. hi
          1. Tanais
            Tanais 20 July 2015 08: 32
            +2
            Quote: ATATA
            Since February, March 2014, on this site and in other "places" the URAPATRIOTS have not ceased to wang the disintegration of the Ukrainian junta from day to day and the flight to the United States or the execution of its leaders by an angry people right in Ukraine.


            I understood you yes +
          2. anip
            anip 20 July 2015 08: 58
            +4
            Quote: ATATA
            Under the influence of civil conflict, there is a consolidation of Ukrainian society around the state idea. Hostility towards the Russian Federation increased. The combat effectiveness of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has multiplied.
            So URYAKALKI for 17 months of your vanging about the collapse of the current Ukrainian regime, this very regime has grown stronger not in words, but in practice and now is many times more stable than in March 2014.

            Only hurray to patriots, everything is numb, all predict some kind of hypothetical collapse of Ukraine. The situation according to their predictions is exactly the same as according to the predictions about the collapse of the dollar and the United States. Even a year ago, I wrote that there will be no collapse of Ukraine and no campaign of Donbass to Kiev, either. And where does the collapse of today's Ukraine come from if Putin and Co. say one thing and do the other: they yell that there are bastards, fascists, Bandera, etc., but stubbornly continue to drive raw materials there at reduced prices, financing those same fascists. Yes, hooray-idiots can say that they don’t supply gas there now, that’s yes, it’s not winter yet, and other raw materials and electricity have been going there.

            In the meantime, the economic situation and the situation of ordinary people in Russia are deteriorating. Well, okay, but you can shout "Krymnash".
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            2. Alexl
              Alexl 20 July 2015 09: 32
              +9
              Quote: anip
              In the meantime, the economic situation and the situation of ordinary people in Russia are deteriorating. Well, okay, but you can shout "Krymnash".

              And when was it good?
            3. sap
              sap 20 July 2015 10: 26
              +18
              There is a saying, prepare the sleigh in the summer and the cart in the winter! gas is pumped into the storage facilities in the summer, and if it is not supplied, then it will not be in them in winter. But due to the fact that the Ukrainian society is consolidating, it should have been expected, I will say more if Ukraine is not annexed and "organizational measures" are not carried out. conflict, we get, as we wrote above, not only a "hostile state" but a new, finally born ethnic group "Ukrainians" Who will no longer be not only Ross but also Little Russians. These will be exactly svidomye (conscious) Ukrainians with all the ensuing consequences of rabid Russophobia.
              1. Volzhanin
                Volzhanin 20 July 2015 11: 32
                +7
                Like, psheki 2.0?
                I would not want to ...
                1. lukewarm
                  lukewarm 22 July 2015 08: 26
                  0
                  And already there ...
              2. tracker
                tracker 20 July 2015 14: 05
                +1
                gas is pumped in the summer, only because it is the cheapest at this moment, they can order an additional 7 billion at any time, and that's pulling, because There is no money yet, but Nuland has come to personally control the adoption by the Rada of the necessary decisions and will give the go-ahead for the provision of the next tranche.
              3. Sandov
                Sandov 22 July 2015 20: 48
                0
                It’s shitty, and they fulfilled their task, destroyed the Russians. For good then complete disintegration of a banderostane is better.
            4. ZVEROBOY
              ZVEROBOY 20 July 2015 14: 03
              +6
              I express solidarity with your opinion good+
              Quote: anip
              if Putin and Co. say one thing and do the other: they yell that there are bastards, fascists, Bandera, etc., but stubbornly continue to drive raw materials there at reduced prices, financing those same fascists.

              And who suddenly decided that the oligarchic power of the environs is worse or better than the same clan-oligarchic power in the Russian Federation? it is much more convenient for bourgeois demons to have their own "mirror" on 404 than a welfare state, plus an undying, controlled war, as a scarecrow of their own plebs, at the same time it is very profitable to "dispose of" the most "ideologically violent" from both sides (Mozgovoy is an example of such disposal) and, of course, the wild unbridled propaganda of nationalism, and hence the impossibility of reuniting one fraternal people into a union state (the authorities cannot allow this in any way). Hooray idiots have cotton wool not on the body in the form of an identifier of national belonging, but cotton wool in the head, which is much more dangerous. hi
            5. papas-57
              papas-57 20 July 2015 17: 54
              +4
              `` Only jingoistic patriots are itching to do everything, everyone predicts some kind of hypothetical collapse of Ukraine. '' With these statements, our government wants to cover up its failures in the economy. Like look how bad it is in Ukraine, but it will be even worse. And so for over a year. And we are doing well. And the fact that most of the inhabitants of Russia does not live but survives, this is a drum for the authorities. And the Americans will not let Ukraine bend, they need it to put pressure on Russia. They will be fed with money, they will not be able to fatten, but they will not die either.
              1. vnenahov
                vnenahov 21 July 2015 23: 57
                +1
                Everything would be correct, only one small mistake. The ovs do not have enough money for "their" people, but there are some natives on the outskirts.
                1. lukewarm
                  lukewarm 22 July 2015 08: 29
                  0
                  As they lack, they print them, and the best financiers like genius naibulina promote them here.
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            7. Alekseev
              Alekseev 20 July 2015 22: 15
              +22
              Quote: anip
              Only hurray to patriots, everything is numb, all predict some kind of hypothetical collapse of Ukraine.

              And what is there no collapse?
              Or is the collapse when "the dead stand with braids and silence"?
              What few enterprises, especially manufacturing, are worth?
              What about debts? If not "leg support" from the USA an independent economy would have long since ...
              What is a pension of 800-900 hryvnias - a rarity?
              And the salary is 1000-1500-2000?
              That those "consolidated to fight the RF" are happy to send their sons to the ATO?
              Oh, I forgot, right there
              Quote: ATATA
              a relative recently lived there for a month)

              Dear, relatives live in Ukraine not only yours and far from a month.
              On the other hand, the members of the forum criticized by me are right in one thing - the problems of the Indians - "pereichny" (ordinary, average) Ukrainians do not really care about their leaders. And even more so, the American masters of the leaders.
              And they will spend time and make a fool of the poor population considering it a catcher, for quite some time.
              And those who are actively opposing are being pressed without any embarrassment or concern for human rights.
              Moreover, in fact there is a lot of luck: almost 30% according to information of Ukrainian information agencies for a military victory in the Donbass, although 50% are against it, for peace. But It is not percent that decides here, but active and organized.
              Therefore, despite the miserable existence of very many, which is confirmed, for example, by the "guide" Yarosh (they say, the families of heroes are dumb for life), the foul state will not collapse by itself.
              Here, as has been repeatedly stated here, a combination of factors is necessary: ​​military defeat, impoverishment of the masses, their awareness of all the harm and hopelessness of bandervlad, etc.
              All this, unfortunately, is very painful and not fast enough. But, that is, that is ... request
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 20 July 2015 22: 50
                +10
                Quote: Alekseev
                Here, as has been repeatedly stated here, a combination of factors is needed: military defeat, impoverishment of the masses, their awareness of all the harm and hopelessness of bandervlad, etc.
                -Hm, again believe in the self-organization of the revolution? Is this a habit from school? Remember Lenin's teachings about the "revsituation"? - the upper classes cannot, the lower classes do not want, exacerbation above the usual need and other rubbish? The fact that Lenin brought in pounds in wagons and organized this very revolution in Russia - he is silent about this, but he vpar so beautifully that soon we will believe this for a hundred years laughing
                In short, a revolution can only be for one reason - when it is needed by those who have sufficient resources for it (or who control other people's resources, which is almost the same in this situation)! Resources are not only material, but informational and administrative. There can be no other reasons for revolutions! An outburst of discontent can be spontaneous, but without replenishment of resources, the price is worthless - it will fade in exactly three days. People need to do household chores. But if professional revolutionaries took to the square, they won’t leave until the end, because it’s their job. That's the whole truth. Who is the player in Ukraine who has the resources? Ok, west. Poroshenko himself. Yarosh, and a few more oligarchs. Are there people there? He is not there. If the powder is thrown off, then only the one who has the resources to fight for power. But what difference does it make to us if instead of powder there is Kolomoisky or Levochkin? Here is what? The rhetoric will be the same ... The main political line is the same ... Why? Yes, because Russia is extremely unprofitable for all players - that oligarch has a lot more cool, this is a kind of competition, protection from Russian oligarchs. An alliance with Russia is beneficial only to the people, but nito does not represent it. So even if Poroshenko falls, nothing will change, otherwise much more frostbitten will come.
                1. Alekseev
                  Alekseev 21 July 2015 09: 00
                  +3
                  Quote: aksakal
                  Um, again believe in the self-organization of the revolution?

                  It is not clear where the conclusion about self-organization comes from. what
                  Any tranduk knows that just and the pimple will not jump.
                  In particular, the conditions listed above are needed.
                  And if economically banderlogs can spend their own money, and then, in part, for a better effect, it is necessary, for example, to close the Russian sales market for them, then they cannot do military defeats for themselves. No.
                  It is necessary to help to fall, but if there are no conditions, if the tree does not rot from the inside, even a severe hurricane can only break off a couple of branches ...
                2. lukewarm
                  lukewarm 22 July 2015 08: 35
                  0
                  There is a revolution, and there is a coup. The line between them is very thin in terms of methods and stakeholders in terms of "wagons to carry pounds." As a result of the revolution, the social system is changing, representatives of other classes come to power. What we see in one way or another in 1917 and beyond. And all the "revolutions" organized by the State Department are actually coups in the interests of transnational corporations under the roof of the United States. Conveniently, by the way. If someone is destined to get away with his art (a la Schicklgruber and the 3rd Reich), then it will be the United States. And the true puppeteers and beneficiaries will again remain in the shadows and above the fight.
              2. Raven
                Raven 21 July 2015 04: 30
                +7
                they will die slowly enough so that there is no social explosion - but fast enough not to have time to get used to it ... existence will be terrible. purgatory - it is such a purgatory ...

                Will the Russophobia nation grow? and now what? all who associate themselves with the Ukrainians - for a long time - even before all events considered us enemies, since the time of Kuchma ... so do not flatter ourselves ...
            8. vnenahov
              vnenahov 21 July 2015 23: 53
              +2
              Why shout: "Crimea is ours." he is ours even without shouting.
              1. Sandov
                Sandov 22 July 2015 20: 55
                +1
                Quote: vnenahov
                Why shout: "Crimea is ours." he is ours even without shouting.

                I agree with you.
          3. 27091965
            27091965 20 July 2015 10: 25
            +5
            Since February, March 2014, on this site and in other "places" the URAPATRIOTS have not ceased to wang the disintegration of the Ukrainian junta from day to day


            “The deputy of the Sejm Krzysztof Szczerski decided to rehabilitate his old idea of ​​creating the Euro-Carpathians alliance. The other day, Shersky declared the need for structural design of this geographical space in political, with the development of a macro-regional development strategy. "Euro-Carpathians" should be the subject of Poland. "

            “The members of the PiS parliamentary club (now the PiS candidate has become the elected president of Poland) have invited the government to take all measures to develop an international agreement - the Carpathian Strategy - including for such countries of the region as Serbia, Romania, Ukraine, Hungary, the Czech Republic and Poland"." July 17, 2015


            I think no one wants to get a bunch of specific principalities on the site of Ukraine. Just how quickly Poland decided to start managing part of Ukraine. I also got the audacity to invite her to this council.
            1. THANK YOU ALL
              THANK YOU ALL 20 July 2015 10: 53
              +3
              Quote: 27091965i
              “The Sejm deputy Krzysztof Szhersky decided to rehabilitate his old idea of ​​creating the Euro-Carpathians alliance

              Quote: 27091965i
              Just how quickly Poland decided to start managing part of Ukraine. I also got the audacity to invite her to this council.

              We have the same thing in the Duma are not very smart people, and now what to listen to all of them?
          4. Gagauz
            Gagauz 20 July 2015 13: 36
            +17
            Dnipropetrovsk is one of the richest cities, and it will also fall last. Plus, people still have "fat" in the form of savings. And half of the enterprises belong to the Russians (especially metal production), while they still work without interruption. So, the Dnieper and Kiev are still exceptions.
          5. Volgroo
            Volgroo 20 July 2015 14: 10
            +1
            The forecast of synergists in the 90s on the account of Ukraine indicated an improvement in relations only after the 50s of our century.
            1. 52
              52 20 July 2015 16: 49
              -2
              "The forecast of synergetics in the 90s at the expense of Ukraine" - who are these synergetics? Those who wang constantly under the blue? (Drunk, that is). All of these vangoolers tend to hit the ... hmm, the sky.
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 20 July 2015 23: 06
                +5
                Quote: 52gim
                "The forecast of synergetics in the 90s at the expense of Ukraine" - and who are they, synergetics? Those who wang constantly under the blue? (Drunk, that is)

                - you came to the military-political site to discuss high matters (and what about them without political considerations?), raise your level of erudition a little.
                Synergetics - the science of non-linear (in other words, very complex, unpredictable) systems, explores why the behavior of such systems is such. Non-linear systems can withstand infinitely strong external influences and remain intact in some cases and collapse from very small effects in other cases - why and how this happens, synergetics are just exploring. In inanimate nature, there are many such examples; huge social systems can also be cited as examples. For example, in the distant past, one state survived a terrible war, but was destroyed by external influences on the consumer sentiment of its citizens. This is about ancient Rome or some other state, it doesn’t matter.
                Therefore, it is not necessary to joke about what you have no idea. You can quite give the impression of a bastard, which I would not want. Synergetics is a mathematical science. Earlier artillerymen swore at mathematicians, like, what's the use of these? Play with numbers laughing So what? Are gunners now dismissive of mathematicians? Yesterday we discussed this topic.
          6. SVAROZHICH
            SVAROZHICH 20 July 2015 15: 32
            +4
            What has APU increased there ??? What is it like? The fact that they lost all aviation in the Donbas, and more than half of the artillery and tanks, either irretrievably or in the form of trophies of the DPR and LPR ??? So is fighting capacity increasing?
          7. THE_SEAL
            THE_SEAL 21 July 2015 13: 14
            +3
            That b.yaley from Ukraine has increased. Local price hit. And laborers from Ukraine is full. This is probably due to the fact that the economy is stable and the combat effectiveness of the Armed Forces has increased.
          8. THE_SEAL
            THE_SEAL 21 July 2015 13: 16
            0
            ATATA, and you yourself will be a whack?
          9. LATKO NIKOLAI
            LATKO NIKOLAI 21 July 2015 15: 41
            +2
            This blah blah blah blah state let them take their guest workers away from us, stop begging for discounts on everything they can and go to hell (tired of their prostate). I wanted to spit on you. Cold, hungry, or otherwise it will be, it’s your business, but! Donbass, Crimea and all the territories illegally transferred under the jurisdiction of Ukraine by functionaries from 17 years ago, back to their homeland !!! Nibble your Carpathians for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Do you say moskolyak to gilyaka? Well then, to hell with you .. . (well, you are in the know).
        3. Sandov
          Sandov 22 July 2015 20: 41
          0
          However, the Nazis will not be given power, the Tan used them as a condom, and now they have the way to the trash. Will do the dirty work, kill those who disagree
      2. sherp2015
        sherp2015 20 July 2015 09: 09
        +7
        Quote: Fantik13
        The fearless governor of Odessa region Mikheil Saakashvili said that he had at his disposal



        )) I remember how this "Fearless", while still the president of Georgia, jerked like a good sprinter when he heard the sound of a flying plane ...
      3. ispaniard
        ispaniard 20 July 2015 09: 36
        +21
        Sash hi , the article is interesting, especially since everyone is really interested in the forecast for the development of the situation in the former Ukraine (it is a thankless task in advance, since it is impossible to make an adequate forecast in the "Force of the inadequacy of the situation itself").
        In general, I agree with the article, but one SIGNIFICANT moment is missed, such as the permanent presence / participation of the United States in the form of emissaries: Nuland, Paet, McCain, Biden, etc. in the political process in the former Ukraine. If not for them, then, in my opinion, Ukraine could have collapsed already three times at least ... I think the United States will hold back the "gases" inside an already obsolete organism to the last and hastily patch holes in the under-state ... By the way, along the way, the United States in every possible way saturates the former Ruin weapons, so that if it did "bomb", then it would stink for a long time, a dozen years for sure ...
        I don't think that something will change drastically in the near future, the United States will not give it, so everything will continue: shelling of Donbass; "Minsk cunnilingus"; downgrade of the Ruins economy; barking at Russia Labusov and Pshekov; the exodus of the Liberasts and Hipsteriat from Russia to the Ruin (at least one positive moment). The end of everything will come, but the question is not soon, how will we be ready for this end, what kind of Polit / Econ / Social situation we will have in Russia at that time, and how will the Russian Army be ready for the development of the situation ...
        The United States will do EVERYTHING so that even if the Ruin is dead, Russia will be as worse off as possible and for as long as possible, and this should be the starting point and not an analysis of the actions of one-day political pygmies and freaks of the non-state of Ruin.
        1. domokl
          domokl 20 July 2015 09: 58
          +8
          Quote: ispaniard
          US permanent presence / participation as emissaries:

          Categorically hi Well, firstly, the article was written a week ago. And in a week you yourself know ... Especially with Ukraine.
          But about the emissaries. It is doubtful that they will play a significant role in the development of events. You know what the problem is with most of our colleagues. The fact that they consider the West a single state. And the Americans, in this situation, are playing the game against Germany.
          And the PSs and the junta are fed from one cup. It means and obey the same owner.
          But today, another thing interested me. Again, for some reason everyone is silent.
          Peaceful initiatives of the LDNR remain unanswered. The EU and the US are silent and "state". The withdrawal of tanks has been made. But open any news feed in Ukraine. 8 out of 10 messages will be about shelling, about the dead, about mining by the LPR and so on. Precisely from Donbass, and the intensity of such messages has sharply increased.
          Why am I doing this? It seems to me that society is being prepared for a new escalation of hostilities. Poroshenko will try to "evade" the issue of the PS.
          Therefore, there are no harsh statements. Silent like fish on ice what
          1. ispaniard
            ispaniard 20 July 2015 10: 16
            +9
            Quote: domokl
            Why am I doing this? It seems to me that society is being prepared for a new escalation of hostilities. Poroshenko will try to "evade" the issue of the PS.

            I agree the United States fed two packs: Greyhounds and Jackals.
            Greyhounds -Waltzman / Bakai and Co. -Beautiful costumes, good English, sad eyes filled with tears and touching speeches for help against Russian aggression on the European sidelines ...
            Jackals - PSs, diaspora (not killed Bandera) from Canada / USA / Australia (hungry for revenge), released by ZK or simply frostbitten, mercenaries from all over the world. They are, of course, hidden from the cameras and they promise to give everything to "REMOVAL". They are skirmishers, but skirmishers cannot skid for a long time, they feed on blood and money, and therefore they begin to starve because of the "Minsk" ...
            The United States does not want to allow squabbles between the two packs, and therefore the only way out, as always, is to let both packs on one enemy. They haven’t come up with any other way out, especially since the Greyhounds are sliding down to the level of insanity, remember singing the anthem in the parliament (“Battle” between Mezhdlyashko and Valtsman) is already the edge ...
            + A recent State Department warning to US citizens that they refuse to visit Crimea and the South-East of the former Ukraine ...

            There is no doubt that "They" will start no doubts, otherwise I will repeat two packs of gnawing (and after all, these are cadre thugs who have been raised for a quarter of a century and invested money in them ...) "Overseas dog handlers".
            The question is, when will the "Overseas Dog Handlers" release their packs and what will be the reason / reason for this?
          2. THANK YOU ALL
            THANK YOU ALL 20 July 2015 10: 32
            0
            Quote: domokl
            Therefore, there are no harsh statements. Silent like fish on ice

            What do you want? !!!!
            That the criminal himself would voluntarily confess everything, because his advice woke up?!?
            And then why the police, if all the criminals are so conscientious ?!
            So they will remain silent about their crimes until the end, until victorious or terrible.
            Quote: ispaniard
            In general, I agree with the article, but I missed one SIGNIFICANT moment, such as the constant presence / participation of the USA in the form of emissaries:

            ANALYTEG ponimash!
            The factor is missing here!
            This is not just a factor, it is a KEY MOMENT !!!!!
            The key from the word KEY to decision !!!!!

            For the United States, the existence of Ukraine today is the GOAL! To keep it in this form, they need to allocate 1-2 lard greens for it a month for it.
            Rest in peace, the USA will find this trifle for Ukraine without too much noise and a pump, like 2 fingers on asphalt, and they won’t even record it in debt!
            Personally, I think that the ostrich policy of the Russian Federation in relation to today's Ukraine could(with a tremendous stretch) to explain that if the Russian Federation takes really decisive action, then the citizens of Russia will receive the products ON TALONS !!!, because we import half of the food and then URIAPATRIOTS will climb the barricades first.
            But!!!
            This argument about products ruins one question!
            And where did you see our rulers before? !!!!!
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 21 July 2015 14: 09
              +3
              Quote: THANK YOU ALL
              Personally, I think that the ostrich policy of the Russian Federation in relation to today's Ukraine could (with a big stretch) be explained by the fact that if the Russian Federation takes really decisive action, then the citizens of Russia will receive the products ON STONES !!!, because we import half of the food

              Well, you’ve gone too far, of course, the vast majority of the products we produce are produced, the problem is different - a huge percentage of the seed is purchased abroad, since in the 90s own seed farms were covered, so if the embargo on the import of seeds into Russia was introduced, then a situation close to starvation may be associated, this is a possible option, so it’s too early to restore seed reproduction of complete food independence.
              In reality, as I think, the situation is more banal - remember where the money of our government is - even if they want to "hide" it, they will need at least some time.
              That is why the "radical" option as with Georgia in 2008 is not being considered ...
          3. Good me
            Good me 20 July 2015 11: 41
            +2
            Quote: domokl
            Well, firstly, the article was written a week ago. And in a week you yourself know ... Especially with Ukraine.


            Neither a week ago, nor now there were "taking control of Lviv" by the right-wing sectarian.
            Explain how this "inspired" you?

            Why are these manipulations of "facts" that did not exist?
            1. domokl
              domokl 20 July 2015 12: 18
              +5
              Quote: Good Me
              Neither a week ago, nor now there were "taking control of Lviv" by the right-wing sectarian.

              It’s not in my rules to respond to such cleverness, ”but I’ll answer you ... You can juggle in cards ... True, they can fill your face there.
              I wrote not taking, but taking control .. And these are completely different things. And to make it more interesting for you, read the official documents of the Right Sector. The official site exists specifically for those who read the primary sources, and not the analytics ...
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          5. Sandov
            Sandov 22 July 2015 21: 03
            0
            Today, Potroshenko announced the creation of buffer zones and the withdrawal of troops. The hosts apparently said.
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      5. nadezhiva
        nadezhiva 20 July 2015 11: 31
        +3
        Quote: Fantik13
        Ex-President of Georgia, Governor of Odessa Region of Ukraine Mikhail Saakashvili posted on his facebook that Vladimir Putin wants to kill him Znak.com correspondent reports.

        And a fool, excuse me, you can’t put it in a bag and take it to Georgia? wink The main thing is that after all everything can then be attributed to Benya winked
    2. cat pest
      cat pest 20 July 2015 08: 55
      +3
      Quote: mig31
      This turmoil in the "state" NON-STATE !!!! endless, "exceptional" of all stripes will rule the outskirts of Russia until it is completely devastated, but the Russians will have to restore it, whatever you say ...

      The author is right that forecasts for Ukraine are hopeless. We do not know the "undercover" struggle and only see the tip of the iceberg. Probably, we can only say for sure: Ukraine, as a "front line" against Russia, remains the main card and Poroshenko, as a puppet, suits him. The people are basically united against the "external threat", they are sufficiently zombified and go to slaughter without a murmur.
      All these games with the PS are quite possibly only to raise the rating of Poroshenko or, under Poroshenko, they share places at the trough and in the heat of the moment they "bared their teeth" at the main one at the trough. This has already happened - Kolomoisky felt that he could "growl" at Petya and what followed? They roared from across the ocean and threw a bone (opened the entrance to the States) and Benya put his tail between his legs.
      So I advise the dreamers of the soon collapse of Ukraine to calm their desires, everything goes according to the script, unfortunately not written by us.
      The scriptwriters had obvious miscalculations, in my opinion, like Crimea, which they obviously did not expect to be seceded in favor of Russia. Obviously, something went wrong with Boeing, and it seems to me that the main "sadness" is that Russia did not come to the planned "war". But the unleashed sanctions and defamation in the "democratic" world have clearly succeeded. Predictions are not a serious matter, when you are not playing, but you are playing and it means "wait and see" hi
    3. bif
      bif 20 July 2015 10: 08
      +3
      Quote: mig31
      This turmoil in the "state" NON-STATE !!!!

      We are on the verge of interesting events.

      Inspired by a joke ..
      Three politicians caught a goldfish: Obama, Merkel and Putin.
      And the fish agreed to fulfill three wishes, each one.
      Obama: I want no Russian left in Ukraine.
      SP: done;
      Merkel: I want Ukraine to be surrounded by a high concrete fence, so that the Russians do not penetrate there;
      SP: done;
      Putin: as if there were no Russians left in Ukraine and is there a concrete fence?
      ZR: offend;
      Putin: well, then pour concrete.)))
    4. WKS
      WKS 20 July 2015 15: 26
      +1
      Quote: mig31
      but still you and I will have to restore the Russians, whatever you might say ....

      Only in case of reunification of Ukraine with Russia. And such a reunion of the entire Ukrainian territory is unlikely.
      1. Sandov
        Sandov 22 July 2015 21: 08
        0
        Quote: wks
        Only in case of reunification of Ukraine with Russia. And such a reunion of the entire Ukrainian territory is unlikely.

        The matter is slowly but surely moving towards the breakdown of Banderostan.
    5. Rus2012
      Rus2012 20 July 2015 15: 35
      +1
      Quote: mig31
      This turmoil in the "state" of non-state


      do not confusion! And "controlled turmoil" is something a little different ...

      I do not agree with the author -
      But such actions require a resolute and somewhat brave person. What can I say about Poroshenko? Again the rotation of officials. I - "to the kingdom" in Transcarpathia! Replace the leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs! Replace the SBU leadership! Meanwhile, "Right Sector" calmly, without unnecessary fanfare, has already taken control of the whole city. And not just any, but Lvov.


      All the ruinous aphorites for one place were screwed up, therefore not very violent, but behave as they indicate from behind a puddle ...
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    7. siberalt
      siberalt 20 July 2015 20: 44
      +1
      Why predict? The reference point is selected. Saakashvili said that in 20 years the Odessa region will reach the standard of living that was in the last year of Yanukovych’s reign laughing True, he did not specify what level will be in other countries of the world by then.
    8. Sterlya
      Sterlya 21 July 2015 21: 06
      0
      Congratulations to all Maydauns with the beginning of a new "Maidan" wassat
    9. Titarenko
      Titarenko 22 July 2015 20: 55
      0
      If the GDP took a big initiative (similar to the Crimean one), then there was no need to restore (or rather, to a lesser extent) and 70% of the population of Ukraine would idolize it.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 22 July 2015 21: 54
        +1
        Of course, a small victorious war is a dangerous means, but in the case when it burns out, the effect of it is amazing. It is a pity that our ostrich government thinks because of a puddle more important than their own country.
  2. Name
    Name 20 July 2015 05: 48
    +14
    No, no, you can't do a "reset" in Ukraine, just replace the "processor" ... winked Wait, the right-wingers will start chopping off with the Parasenkovsky, and after a pause comes ... Julia with a scythe. laughing After all, he is waiting.
    1. sherp2015
      sherp2015 20 July 2015 09: 12
      +3
      Quote: name
      No, no, a "reset" in Ukraine is indispensable, just a replacement of the "processor" ... Wait, the right-hand people will start to fight with the Parasenkovskys, and after a pause it will come ... YULIA with a scythe. After all, it is waiting.


      Yulia has an expression on her face, as if she had just figured out her chronic constipation during a "push" ..
    2. 222222
      222222 20 July 2015 09: 21
      +4
      . ".. and after a pause will come ... YULIA .."
      Already on the screens in the program of the shooter ... tears back to the trough of power .. He plays on the needs of the common people, explaining the excessive tariffs for housing and communal services. Gas .. and so on .. and once again throws the same elecorate. laughing laughing laughing
      1. tracker
        tracker 20 July 2015 14: 20
        +1
        Julia works for the future, gunpowder will change
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 23 July 2015 11: 18
          0
          I wonder when the oligarchs in power will end in Khlamin? After all, their number is not infinite. A commoner must at least once come to power, having tasted all the oligarchic timelessness in his own skin.
  3. Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 20 July 2015 05: 49
    +5
    Well, dear, you have to be a political commissar ... in this vale of tears and sorrow, where I have a whole bunch of rodak and friends, people have long been in a trance, who is fair, no one is antiresno. Everyone is waiting and sho further, as in Odessa. They have such a mentality ...
    1. domokl
      domokl 20 July 2015 07: 41
      +2
      laughing There are still letters between the first and last paragraph ... Maybe you should look at them lol
  4. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 20 July 2015 06: 14
    +9
    It seems to me that the situation frankly began to crumble. Multilateralism is the end of any country. Either someone gobbles up or the country breaks up. We recall the Bolsheviks and the Provisional Government. Yes, and many other examples ...
    Here again, the Hungarians gave a voice. And they, by the way, are far from fools and perfectly understand what everything is going to.

    1. BMW
      BMW 20 July 2015 07: 02
      +4
      Will fall apart, fall apart.
      If our money bags were taken on a short leash of LDNR, the babosiks began to pack in packs to Ukraine, and Yaytsenyukh hastily sold everything that was possible. So it smells like a section of spheres of influence, they will share according to the principle of who managed to grab something.
      It resembles a DMB movie: "Freebie, Freebie" in the ear, and in a dream, involuntarily teeth click, click.
  5. northerner lech
    northerner lech 20 July 2015 06: 22
    +2
    Quote: name
    No, no, you can't do a "reset" in Ukraine, just replace the "processor" ... winked Wait, the right-wingers will start chopping off with the Parasenkovsky, and after a pause comes ... Julia with a scythe. laughing After all, he is waiting.

    Well, I don’t know. Such an opinion has come to Tyrnet. The leadership of Russia has received the full right, and has the will and power, to permanently close the old Polish-Austrian project. If this is so, then Julia is an empty place, from the word at all.
    1. Name
      Name 20 July 2015 07: 34
      +3
      So I guess so ... After all, a woman is vindictive, and a woman-politician who was "thrown" ... recourse Here you understand the bouquet can not do, SHARE will ask. Yes and not stupid need to admit. This is not a nickname. hi
  6. Putinets
    Putinets 20 July 2015 06: 43
    +6
    For a year and a half there were no forecasts. Nothing will happen. As long as the pin *** s have their own interest there, nothing will happen. And the "dogs" will make some noise at the "veche" and creep out. Is it in vain that they take half-pins to themselves customs? And yesterday's statement by the "admiral" that in three years the newly-made "Sipai" army will be commanded by foreigners? As I understand it at the level of company battalions. The locals are only trusted by the departments. A colony is a colony
    1. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 20 July 2015 07: 10
      +2
      Quote: Putin
      And yesterday's statement by the "admiral" that in three years the newly made "Sipay" army will be commanded by foreigners?


      These three years still need to survive, it may happen that there will be no one to command.
  7. den3080
    den3080 20 July 2015 07: 00
    +2
    So funny to read: Confrontation of power with the right sector. Who whom, etc.

    But the idea that the right-wing guy and the powders are eating the same bran from the same trough did not occur?
    I would look at that right sector if it had not been generously financed from the West.
    The West can’t cope without law enforcement, in my opinion it is clear as a white day.
    1. explorer
      explorer 20 July 2015 07: 18
      +4
      Quote: den3080
      West

      it seems that the West is by no means a monolith, especially in matters of fatty pieces.
  8. den3080
    den3080 20 July 2015 07: 04
    -5
    Quote: Kibalchish

    Here again, the Hungarians gave a voice. And they, by the way, are far from fools and perfectly understand what everything is going to.

    Yes Yes. Rubik's Cube, Ikarus buses, Globus compotes)))
  9. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 20 July 2015 07: 11
    +2
    And I would really like the Ukrainian people to really appreciate the possible consequences.
    The Ukrainian people are now so jerked and crushed that fascism will be glad to just feel like people. In short, the soil was prepared earlier than in the 33rd year of the last century!
  10. aszzz888
    aszzz888 20 July 2015 07: 22
    +1
    We are on the verge of interesting events. And I would really like the Ukrainian people to really appreciate the possible consequences.


    The fact that "we are on the verge of interesting events" is an unconditional process of the ukrokhuntovskoy hegemon Potroshenko with his masters.
    But "I am tormented by vague doubts" that the Ukrainians at the moment are really evaluating something or can appreciate it.
    And if they had evaluated it earlier, they would not have been allowed to such a cataclysm.
  11. parusnik
    parusnik 20 July 2015 07: 25
    +1
    The situation is simple .. Dogs ... they would like to overthrow Poroshenko, but they can’t, for a number of reasons ... And for a number of reasons, Poroshenko would destroy the PSs .. but it can’t .. There is a third force of the DPR and LPR .. which could sweep away PSov and Poroshenko, but to conduct a large-scale civil war against the regime .. the republics have no strength, and there is no mass support on the territory of Ukraine .. Roughly speaking, the Little Russian people are silent ...
  12. fomkin
    fomkin 20 July 2015 07: 36
    +1
    "Forecasts for Ukraine are almost impossible." Well said, you know. Some neglect this axiom and find themselves in an awkward position (this is from my position, the authors do not think so). Recently, I do not name, one such predicted the date of Poroshenko's departure. Everything would be fine, but this is irresponsible chatter on such a respected site, where the rules are much stricter than on central TV. Don't believe me? Listen to 1 or 2 channel, and then what you hear from the indecent, try to write on the site.
    1. Victor-M
      Victor-M 20 July 2015 10: 39
      +3
      It would be necessary to raise the hind left paw of the dog. laughing
    2. lukewarm
      lukewarm 22 July 2015 08: 38
      +1
      Cool caricature. Sorry for the dog wink Good breed.
  13. oracul
    oracul 20 July 2015 08: 00
    0
    Thoughts on a given topic are always interesting, but puzzles can add up to a slightly different picture. For us, the gain in one is time.
    1. anip
      anip 20 July 2015 09: 00
      0
      Quote: oracul
      For us, the gain in one is time.

      Everything, our time has already passed in relation to Ukraine, and as it were, no more.
  14. RiverVV
    RiverVV 20 July 2015 08: 09
    0
    Only mass executions can save the Ruin.
    1. anip
      anip 20 July 2015 09: 01
      0
      Quote: RiverVV
      Only mass executions can save the Ruin.

      So they are there. So they save Ukraine.
      1. Sandov
        Sandov 22 July 2015 21: 18
        0
        Quote: anip
        Quote: RiverVV
        Only mass executions can save the Ruin.

        So they are there. So they save Ukraine.

        Thousands rot in the SBU and other dungeons, thousands of tortured and killed.
  15. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 20 July 2015 08: 27
    +2
    Throughout the autumn on the channel Russia there was a screensaver like "Winter is not far off" with a hint
    that Ukrainians will freeze and overthrow the junta. And neither of which we wintered. Next
    Autumn is coming .... I think this mess is up to the next elections in Ukraine. But according to any previous relations between Ukraine and Russia, there will be no Ukrainians with Russians. The Americans did it.
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 20 July 2015 08: 49
      -6
      Quote: Seraphimamur
      But according to any previous relations between Ukraine and Russia, there will be no Ukrainians with Russians. The Americans did it.

      That's why I say that criminal inaction during the coup in Ukraine was shown not only by the stupid man Yanukovych (by the way, a protege of Moscow), but also by the current Russian supreme power.
      1. Belousov
        Belousov 20 July 2015 13: 19
        +6
        No one could ever explain why Yanyk was a protege of Russia? Did he do anything good for Russia? Yanyk acted in the interests of Ukraine, nothing more. For example, they did not go to the EAEU. Just against the background of the current rulers, who are busy only with the execution of orders for the collapse and sale of the Ruins, he can and looks like a pro-Russian, but it is not difficult as we see.
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      3. Ze Kot
        Ze Kot 20 July 2015 19: 37
        0
        Quote: ATATA
        That's why I say that criminal inaction during the coup in Ukraine was shown not only by the stupid man Yanukovych (by the way, a protege of Moscow), but also by the current Russian supreme power.



        Janek got cold feet, yes, he didn't wash the square with blood. And in advance the "elements" did not reveal, did not stop.
        He still had to sit until the election. It is unlikely that he would be re-elected.
    2. Good me
      Good me 20 July 2015 08: 52
      +4
      Quote: Seraphimamur
      Throughout the autumn on the channel Russia there was a screensaver like "Winter is not far off" with a hint
      that Ukrainians will freeze and overthrow the junta. And neither of which we wintered.

      This is called "double play". On the one hand: "so that you die", and on the other: "here you have a discount" ...
    3. anip
      anip 20 July 2015 09: 08
      +2
      Quote: Seraphimamur
      Throughout the autumn on the channel Russia there was a screensaver like "Winter is not far off" with a hint
      that Ukrainians will freeze and overthrow the junta. And neither of which we wintered. Next
      Autumn is coming ....

      The same thing will be with different options next winter. And yell-like idiots love to shout, yes.

      Quote: Seraphimamur
      But according to any previous relations between Ukraine and Russia, there will be no Ukrainians with Russians.

      One thing is not clear what the hell all these Ukrainians are working in Russia for a long time to send them home, let them work there.

      Quote: Seraphimamur
      The Americans did it.

      Well, yes, they do everything clearly for their country.
      It is the same Russian rulers who have poured about 200 billion dollars into Ukraine over the past 20 years and have remained at a broken trough. Although no, the rulers got their bakshish anyway, but as for the people of Russia, who needs them, they have to "work". And so that the people do not get excited, they will tell them stories about the imminent collapse of the United States, the EEC, Ukraine, about what Russia will be like in 30-50-100 years, and so on. etc.
  16. Mostovik
    Mostovik 20 July 2015 09: 26
    +1
    Ukraine, Ukraine, a year and a half already only Ukraine ... It is good that there is Ukraine, in your own eye you can not notice the log.
  17. SCHWERIN
    SCHWERIN 20 July 2015 09: 31
    +3
    I don't think Outskirts will collapse. Poroshenko survived one hundred days. Outskirts more than a year. And nothing. Look at the speeches of Poroshenko, look into his eyes. The dead. He has his own dill, their interests on the drum. Put tens of hundreds more.
    As for the lawbreakers. At first, after the murder of Bely, they demanded the resignation of Avakov. So what? They made a noise and parted. How many of these micro-Maidan already!
    Ukraine finally found itself. Read N.V. Gogol. Taras Bulba. Everything is said there.
    1. Sandov
      Sandov 22 July 2015 21: 24
      0
      Quote: SCHWERIN
      As for the lawbreakers. At first, after the murder of Bely, they demanded the resignation of Avakov. So what? Noisy and parted

      Pravosekov will be stalled unambiguously, they will fulfill the will of the owner. But the banderostan will nevertheless fall apart, many who want to get back their lost territories. Poland, Hungary, Romania, soon claps will howl.
  18. Vladimir1960
    Vladimir1960 20 July 2015 10: 09
    +4
    Empty fortune telling. We need to strengthen Russia, and not wait for the collapse of Ukraine, or the fall of the United States.
    1. Tanais
      Tanais 20 July 2015 10: 14
      +3
      Quote: Vladimir1960
      Empty fortune telling. We need to strengthen Russia, and not wait for the collapse of Ukraine, or the fall of the United States.


      My opinion is that "without settling the Ukrainian question," Russia will not see the conditions for a stable strengthening ...
  19. DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 20 July 2015 10: 21
    +3
    Quote: anip
    In the meantime, the economic situation and the situation of ordinary people in Russia are deteriorating. Well, okay, but you can shout "Krymnash".


    So, will we sell our country for the land? All who sold, then very regretted it. I pray to God that the GDP does not turn off course.
    1. rosarioagro
      rosarioagro 20 July 2015 10: 44
      +5
      Quote: Good AAAH
      I pray to God that the GDP does not turn off course.

      And he voiced for the people who chose this very course, where is he leading?
  20. wulf66
    wulf66 20 July 2015 10: 30
    +5
    "And I would very much like the Ukrainian people to really assess the possible consequences."

    Alas ... Recognizing one’s own wrong is a very difficult matter, they won’t pull it.
  21. Victor-M
    Victor-M 20 July 2015 10: 38
    +4
    The ex-president of Georgia, the governor of the Odessa region of Ukraine, Mikhail Saakashvili, wrote on his Facebook that Vladimir Putin wants to kill him,

    Misha, you flatter yourself. laughing
    1. evil partisan
      evil partisan 20 July 2015 11: 40
      +3
      Quote: Victor-M
      The ex-president of Georgia, the governor of the Odessa region of Ukraine, Mikhail Saakashvili, wrote on his Facebook that Vladimir Putin wants to kill him,

      And then rape. sad
      1. Ze Kot
        Ze Kot 20 July 2015 20: 05
        +1
        Quote: wicked partisan
        Quote: Victor-M
        The ex-president of Georgia, the governor of the Odessa region of Ukraine, Mikhail Saakashvili, wrote on his Facebook that Vladimir Putin wants to kill him,

        And then rape. sad


        Or vice versa
  22. teron
    teron 20 July 2015 11: 17
    +7
    To be honest, I used to be rather indifferent to Ukraine. Although I have been there many times and there are relatives there. But somehow there were problems, not up to Ukraine. Now, looking at what they have turned (and continue) the neighboring country, the oligarchs are taken aback. But they inherited a lot from the Union, and the geographical position and climate, Ukraine could become the France of the Slavic world. A bridge between Russia and the EU. But they decided to become "an outpost of the West on the border with the Wild East." And now, it seems, they are turning from an outpost into a strip of alienation. Into a wild field, as before between Russia and nomads.
  23. evil partisan
    evil partisan 20 July 2015 11: 22
    +6
    Masterpiece picture:
  24. Tor5
    Tor5 20 July 2015 11: 33
    +2
    We will wait and see, but, obviously, there will be no positive for ordinary people in any situation.
  25. den3080
    den3080 20 July 2015 14: 55
    +3
    Here I also watched how in Chernigov kakly stood behind buckwheat and rice. They give in exchange for a passport (data) and an obligation to vote for someone there.
    Elderly and not very, are. Crowd. And so poor everyone ... And their children and granddaughters in the Donbass kill people.

    Look. It seems people, head, arms, legs, clothes. But in fact - dull cattle. They will order - they will yell against the mass with a l to her, bulging the heels. Beckon with a piece of bread - they will begin to tear each other. Tell me the current. Che hosh zrobit ...
    Tossed to the end. But Europa !!!
    1. 30143
      30143 20 July 2015 20: 37
      0
      Offensive things say Den3080!
      Because of such statements, the whole contention begins.
      By and large, the Bandera movement (not to be confused with the city of Bender) did not originate from scratch. It has already been discussed at the VO for a long time that for Galicia, the arrival of fascist Germany was a return to their European status. Their movement can be compared with the uprising of the kulaks during the years of the 1917 revolution. Those just destroyed. But they weren’t finished. For 24 years, only the United States was engaged in political projects in Ukraine, and the Russian Federation stupidly threw handouts to the Presidents of Independence, thinking that in this way they would buy the favor of the whole people. But the effect was different ...
      Not everything is so simple.
      We can now begin to roll a barrel on your population, which also silently watches your bankers pull you! Ukraine is a small projection of Great Russia. Our processes are the same.
      And the Donbass is a bonfire in which all ideological Ukrainians and Russians must burn, so that they could not arrange revolutions in our countries. And when all the violent ones are mowed down, then there will be silence and whim, because there will be one swamp in the literal and figurative sense!
  26. Alex
    Alex 20 July 2015 17: 33
    +4
    Again the rotation of officials. I - "to the kingdom" in Transcarpathia!

    Hallelujah! Wherever Moccal was directed, he everywhere just failed the received business. But how? Always with a cheerful smile!
    1. 30143
      30143 20 July 2015 20: 39
      0
      And he started from the Crimea. How did it end?
      And then Lugansk ....
      Now Transcarpathia.
      We take popcorn and look ...
  27. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 20 July 2015 19: 38
    +1
    "The power structures and the Armed Forces of Ukraine are increasingly expressing their dissatisfaction with the authorities."

    And who said that under the "new" government (PS ???) it will be better?
  28. den3080
    den3080 20 July 2015 23: 28
    +3
    I liked about the advent of fascist Germany with the return of European status to the Galician kaklam !!!!
    Stunned they had a European status - farm laborers at the Polish gentry and Austro-Hungarian junkers. Actually, the Germans used them after the advent of fascist Germany, only without the Poles. Yes! Functions were added - to shoot Jews, to cut Poles, to manage gas-vans, to burn people alive.
    This can be seen in the current style, in the Donbass. Great, so here.
  29. jurgen2206
    jurgen2206 21 July 2015 07: 12
    +3
    Well, if the authors of the article do not want to make a forecast, then I will do am . So far, everything that has been said by me over the country with the proud name of Ukraine over the past year has come true, except for a new wave of hostilities by May 9.
    Two initial ones are aptly noted in the article. Firstly, stagnation with the peaceful process, during which the entire ideological rag-tag is taken in an ever-worsening economic situation to engage in both organized robbery, violence, squeezing out property, dividing territories (like "this is our cow"), and stupid lawlessness ( let us recall the adventures of Zavirukha, rumors about slavery) - in short, in conditions of economic time pressure and political zugzwang, the Makhnovism begins and flourishes and the stratification of society into castes (those who work, those who can pay, those whose weapons and politics). Secondly, the actual inefficiency of internal management and unwillingness to get involved in this "batch" of an external manager.
    Result: anarchy and anarchy, the territory under the control of an indefinite number of gangs living in exactions on their territory, and the compulsion to introduce an international police mission to restore order according to the method of G.K. Zhukov (whatever the Donbass, because there is still a relative order there). And the ending is the collapse of the state and its disappearance from the political map of the world. Everyone will get their piece of Ukraine.
    Of course, there are also prerequisites for a normal scenario: Poroshenko is trying to take all power into his own hands. Slowly and hesitantly. Frightened, I would say. If it succeeds, then Ukraine will be on the map. And over time there will be order. It is a pity he does not understand that in the Donbass his allies in this matter. He does not consider them in this vein.
    I do not consider the global mess because of Ukraine for the reason that I do not consider it probable: no one needs the country as a country. The seizure of all of Ukraine and the dictates of the law enforcement officers are also considered unlikely, since not only law enforcement officers are armed.
    Something like that.
  30. Sartorius
    Sartorius 21 July 2015 08: 59
    +1
    It looks like an ukroobesyna playing with a grenade accidentally pulled out a check from it. It’s not long to wait.
    1. Sandov
      Sandov 22 July 2015 21: 33
      0
      Quote: Sartorius
      It looks like an ukroobesyna playing with a grenade accidentally pulled out a check from it. It’s not long to wait.

      The process of decay and decay still dragged on, but it is inevitable.
  31. Alekst
    Alekst 21 July 2015 11: 10
    0
    Quote: anip
    Quote: ATATA
    Under the influence of civil conflict, there is a consolidation of Ukrainian society around the state idea. Hostility towards the Russian Federation increased. The combat effectiveness of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has multiplied.
    So URYAKALKI for 17 months of your vanging about the collapse of the current Ukrainian regime, this very regime has grown stronger not in words, but in practice and now is many times more stable than in March 2014.

    Only hurray to patriots, everything is numb, all predict some kind of hypothetical collapse of Ukraine. The situation according to their predictions is exactly the same as according to the predictions about the collapse of the dollar and the United States. Even a year ago, I wrote that there will be no collapse of Ukraine and no campaign of Donbass to Kiev, either. And where does the collapse of today's Ukraine come from if Putin and Co. say one thing and do the other: they yell that there are bastards, fascists, Bandera, etc., but stubbornly continue to drive raw materials there at reduced prices, financing those same fascists. Yes, hooray-idiots can say that they don’t supply gas there now, that’s yes, it’s not winter yet, and other raw materials and electricity have been going there.

    In the meantime, the economic situation and the situation of ordinary people in Russia are deteriorating. Well, okay, but you can shout "Krymnash".

    ordinary assessment of the situation by the layman, tradesman ...
  32. oof
    oof 21 July 2015 11: 41
    +1
    Hurry up already, these spiders in the bank were gnawing. We will have less.
  33. Don_Pedro
    Don_Pedro 21 July 2015 11: 45
    +1
    Forecasting for UA is a thankless task. The situation is gradually heating up, it is obvious that time is rolling up to the cold autumn-winter period. There is no systematic and thorough preparation for winter in UA as such. There are no own funds, "European partners" are greedy, and "overseas friends" are instructing on robbery. Military aggravation is inevitable, and the possible outcome for the junta is unfavorable.
  34. Brigadier
    Brigadier 21 July 2015 19: 29
    0
    And personally, I am happy to wait for these spiders to start killing each other! The main thing is that they finish this matter to the end !!! And I am not at all interested in what will "suffer" the people who call to kill the Russians while stealing our gas and considering us people of the lowest class! IT IS GOOD TO ME !!!
  35. Sega66
    Sega66 21 July 2015 19: 46
    0
    Why forecasts? We have learned a lot from the western "friends", it is time to learn from the eastern ones ... We will sit on the bank, wait ... And it is good that Crimea is ours, not our Western "friends."
  36. den3080
    den3080 21 July 2015 21: 07
    +1
    Quote: Don_Pedro
    Forecasting for UA is a thankless task. The situation is gradually heating up, it is obvious that time is rolling up to the cold autumn-winter period. There is no systematic and thorough preparation for winter in UA as such. There are no own funds, "European partners" are greedy, and "overseas friends" are instructing on robbery. Military aggravation is inevitable, and the possible outcome for the junta is unfavorable.


    And my forecast is simple:

    1. European guardians will give money, they have it (they themselves print it). You just need to sign the eternal bondage, now I believe that intensive work on these papers is underway.
    2. Overseas friends will instruct the robbery (and no need to instruct, just fit the military junk).

    In general, nothing unusual will happen. Everything is according to plan, because guardians and friends have it. Clumsy, bloody ... it’s taste and color all the markers are different, as they say.
    But Russia has no plan, no. Minsk imitations are not worthless papers on which they were written and not executed by kaklahs and their patrons on any point - unless to go to the toilet. Well, that's all.
  37. Starley from the south
    Starley from the south 21 July 2015 21: 10
    0
    But one should never lose sight of the possible large-scale provocation that Russia is accused of. The goal is to unite all the gnawing clans against Russia. Although now it’s more difficult to do and there will be no effect.
  38. Balagan
    Balagan 22 July 2015 02: 41
    0
    Aha, the community of the Outskirts around the punishers is already direct and rallied. A third of the inhabitants of their country are ready to recognize Crimea as Russian and half to assign Russian the status of state language
    http://www.rusdialog.ru/news/35018_1437413423
  39. Evil 55
    Evil 55 22 July 2015 02: 51
    0
    God forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing ....
  40. VoenDok
    VoenDok 22 July 2015 11: 04
    +1
    There is no other way - just collapse. Modern Ukraine is a dirty neglected communal apartment in need of urgent resettlement.
  41. Frau Dr. KiK
    Frau Dr. KiK 22 July 2015 22: 04
    0
    Quote: mig31
    This turmoil in the "state" NON-STATE !!!! endless, "exceptional" of all stripes will rule the outskirts of Russia until it is completely devastated, but the Russians will have to restore it, whatever you say ...

    Oh, to break their farts and free Sophia from the hands of Hugo. It is necessary to save the Mother of Russian cities! Glory to the heroes! Hooray! Glory to the Army of New Russia! "Is our
    right cause, we will win! ”
  42. Frau Dr. KiK
    Frau Dr. KiK 22 July 2015 22: 25
    0
    Murmuring a slave, muttering a robot,
    The roar of the engine and the echo from the roar.
    Here they go mouth to mouth over the bridge
    Screaming open mouths
    Hugo came from South Plymouth.
    Children are not washed, pizza is not taken out,
    Begged, begged, pulled out, blurted out
    Place at the very edge.

    South Hugo is not tormented by insomnia
    Near the beauty - Sophia? Sonia?
    Funny name, don't cry, don't quarrel,
    He eagerly kisses the temple.
    The skin is hot, white, as if
    Roll in the oven - these are the same rolls
    Mom was famous, fucked with grannies,
    Hyuzhenke - the first piece.

    Hugo issued an army rifle,
    I sent a picture to the children - so that they could see
    The eldest - the girl is almost on marriageable age,
    Guys will fly off to din.
    Hugo is not young, but his eyes are dusty
    Hazel, now transparent green
    What else is needed for women in love
    Hail fell at the feet.

    Hail happens here, yes, at home it’s kind,
    The camp was covered with mushroom tents,
    As for food - as always, with problems,
    But definitely food.
    Sophia woke up - and right behind the skirts,
    He seems to be cradling her doll,
    What aroused, as if pecking her,
    The night is still silly, yes.

    Hugo worked as an assistant master,
    Mom is Spanish, father is only his suit
    Hugo remained in memory. From mother -
    Eyebrows and loom.
    The smell of flour on a raw windowsill
    The glasses are curtained - the dead are in the house,
    Come on, don’t cry, dress calmly,
    You have already grown up, son.

    Yes, dress, rise, wake up,
    We scatter along the wash basins,
    Who is digging there? Who's digging around
    Song, run, heat.
    Hugo is used to song and dance, but
    He’s also trying, running, stretching,
    Those who stretch will be pulled
    The platoon jokes in the morning.

    Hugo came to war. He tries.
    He’s not ready to go into battle yet,
    But for now, honestly, he likes,
    Sofitsa is also quite.
    How much detail can I set up,
    School aprons for children to smooth,
    This decision is not a whim of him;
    Men's case in the war.

    Hugo knows how to tinker with details,
    Ask - flew? He will answer - we flew
    They ask - are you able to? Will do it. Thawed patches
    Above - like shadows from clouds.
    He already tried - people are cardboard
    Take off into the air - and fall in droves
    Hands in flight - especially thin
    Weak man, not volatile.

    How is the weather at the top? Did not hear how?
    So as not to feel sick - for breakfast crackers.
    Hugo flies as an assistant mechanic,
    (Again helper, alas)
    Hugo came from South Plymouth,
    Children are not washed, pizza is not taken out,
    Hugo lies on the ground, dug him
    A hole in the middle of wet grass.

    The night outside the window is restless, blizzardy,
    Sophia cradles the new Hyuzhenka,
    Well, he doesn’t sleep, I sing him for three hours
    A song about daddy's flight.
    The roar of the engine and the echo of rumble,
    Many cannot sleep now outside the gates,
    He will put a dummy in his hereditary mouth
    Cries and sings again.

    ● Alya Kudryasheva ●
  43. beldiver
    beldiver 23 July 2015 22: 41
    0
    Some shout that Ukraine is covering up Russian problems inside. Others are the other way around.
    And in the country they stopped planting potatoes in summer cottages, including in villages in southern Russia.
    In cities on new foreign cars.
    Who is right?
  44. Tishka
    Tishka 26 July 2015 02: 02
    -1
    To predict what will happen to Ukraine, for sure, is not grateful! But the collapse of the country has already begun, and it cannot be stopped. The LPR and DPR demonstrated this, and this, not a special case, both Odessa and Zaporozhye, are also not satisfied with the reforms that are taking place in the country. While the states feed the country with money and weapons, Europe gives loans, there is a chance that the collapse will not be instantaneous, it will be a lengthy process. But loans, it is necessary to give, and ultimately, to lenders, it can be boring, they need profit, at all costs, and if it is not, then please. There is such a possibility that the Russian oligarchs, and the government, will simply merge the LPR and the DPR, the Ukrainian authorities, there is already a murmur that money for humanitarian aid is running out, that there is no return from these injections. And the government, too, was not thrilled, that’s what it cost Putin to recognize the independence of the self-proclaimed republics, but no, they thanked, for the will, the expression of the people, and we limited ourselves to this! But they could have prevented the horror of hostilities that continues to this day! Perhaps they provide some help, but deny it by all available means, and why? Yes, everything is simple, where are the children and families of deputies, right in Europe and America! Where is the property of these servants of the people, and the oligarchs, again everything is in the same place, therefore, it is not worth quarreling, because they can take away and freeze accounts. So, for what reason, did the Central Bank of Russia invest 4 billion in American securities? What, in Russia there is no place to put money? So distribute to the people, set up factories and factories, so no, they better lower interest rates on investments in banks! That is why, the ruble is depreciating at the speed of the express train, which is late to the arrival station, and everything is simple, it is beneficial for the oligarchs! You might think that Russia overwhelmed Germany with cheap and luxury cars, Japan and Taiwan, they don’t know where to run, from reliable and cheap Russian electronics, China howls like a wolf, Russia overwhelmed him with clothes, above the roof, through the great wall of China! So why the country, a cheap ruble? To finally ruin your people? So it is done and so, with great success! Right now, the government and the Duma have adopted a law restricting the stay of residents of Ukraine in Russia for no more than 120 days! But this does not apply to residents of the LPR and DPR, and those who fled from the war! I.e. gradually, they are trying to sow confusion. domestically, so that residents of different regions, look at each other, with hatred, they can, but we do not! Yes, and Ukraine, an excellent opportunity to cover up the mess that is happening in Russia itself! It’s strange, all the agreements were canceled, and sweets from Poroshenko’s factories are still sold in stores, is it a paradox, or is it business, is it sacred? I don’t think that the Ukrainian authorities privatized the factories located on the territory of Ukraine, because the government wouldn’t say that they don’t privatize gas and energy. And to the common people, not a single power, never cared. and in the war, west and east, they grind those who are not pleasing to the authorities in order to protect their countries from possible revolutions, the war will write everything off! So, everyone is happy with everything. Russians. intimidate from performances, showing what it can lead to! Ukrainians are scared by the Russians to take everything away, manipulating that if the Russians come, they will make you slaves!