For external use of the truth is no more

I often had posts of patriots of a different spectrum (from statists to Russian nationalists) in the tape, consisting of one line: “And“ Boeing ”is someone who shot down, eh?” And under them there are a lot of likes.

The question was ironic and drew our attention to the fact that, despite all the initial confident cries, the investigation into the July 17 crash on 2014 of the year over the Donbass of the Malaysian Boeing-777 went into a predictable dead end.

The liberal public, as far as I could see it, on this subject was silenced from a certain moment, but it was so expressively silent that it was clear that it had no doubts on this subject, nor was it.

And now 18 relatives of the deceased passengers are demanding 900 million dollars compensation from Strelkov, who "acted with the blessing of the Kremlin." Well, that is, they demand them from Russia. They have already decided everything, everyone knows.

There is still supposed to be some kind of international commission, some kind of investigation, from which Russian specialists were suspended, but the commission will eventually say something, and how it will say it will be considered correct.

I'm still waiting, when patriotic lovers of ironic questions will finally understand: there is absolutely no difference who really hit the Boeing, it will hang on Russia anyway. And no one will feel constraint.

Through 20 – 30 for years, some indefatigable Western journalist or even a politician will write a book about how it was, where he will reveal the dirty mechanics of Western politics and speak out in defense of Russia ... The book will make a noise that lasts for several months ... But and all

No one is interested in your evidence. For external use of the truth is no more. Another question is that truth is still needed for internal use, for an adequate perception of reality, but nobody in the outside world is interested in our truth.

I had a homegrown theory that the Soviet Union was largely disintegrated because of the truth. Due to the fact that people (educated by Russian classics, this is very important: from Russian classics, brains become unusually sensitive and all conscious processes in the body become aggravated) - these people suddenly began to dump tons of horrendous truth about their life and life.

People knew a significant part of the truth before, but in the doses taken out, and here it became very much, it went in a stream, it was not balanced in any way (it was not balanced by another truth) - well, it was drowned in it. Too many began to think that it was impossible to continue living like that. Why? Well, that's impossible. We are too bad.

And this drama, which was unfolding on the stage, was watched by the “civilized world” from the stalls and the amphitheater. The fact that in our country, broken by the one-sided truth, has become recognized as “impossible”, they can still have it. Its interpretation of any stories - can.

Lying is possible. Any intrigue is possible, if you don’t know about it or know too late, when all the benefits will be obtained. And you will see: all citizens who are now in key posts of Russian politics have good chances to find a peaceful haven in the West.

They have already mastered the outlook on Russia of that side, the side of the amphitheater, the side of observers and beneficiaries.

They say "only not Putin" - and give the only rationale: because of the Crimea. But this is also proof: the only patriotic gesture can lead to the rejection of the Russian politician in the West.

Comments

[Strashila]

"These people suddenly began to dump tons of terrifying truth about their life." ... taking one gram of a single case of exclusion was projected onto everything ... now in the same way ... we are confusing truth and propaganda.
Like the great ones ... if we exclude the lie ... this does not mean that only the truth will remain, most likely nothing will remain.

[oleg-gr]

For external use, the following announcement is useful: "There is no truth, Russia is over, there is Labor for 3 kopecks left." And no one will care that we are talking about the newspapers in the kiosk.

[sssla]

The Soviet Union collapsed because of the truth. Due to the fact that people suddenly began to dump tons of terrifying truth about their life.

People knew a significant part of the truth before, but in tolerated doses, and here it became very much, it was flowing, it was not balanced by anything (it was not balanced by another truth) - well, it drowned in it

Only for this minus the article.

[CALL.]

I had a homegrown theory that in many ways the Soviet Union collapsed because of the truth.

A few facts:
In the “totalitarian Stalinist USSR,” no permission was required to acquire hunting weapons. Under Stalin, everyone who reached the age of 18 could freely buy weapons and ammunition in the store.
In the "totalitarian USSR" it was not required to carry a passport with you, and it was impossible even to imagine mass checks of documents.
In the "totalitarian USSR" it was not required to present a passport when buying a ticket for a long-distance train. The ticket could be transferred to another person.
The "totalitarian USSR" never searched passengers at airports.
In the "totalitarian USSR" land documents were drawn up in one day. When it took two, the Soviet people shouted about "terrible bureaucracy" and wrote angry letters to the newspapers.
In the "totalitarian USSR" it was impossible to evict people on the street without providing them with other housing. In the USSR, houses were not sold together with tenants.
In the "totalitarian USSR" only a passport was required from documents for temporary registration at a temporary place of residence.
In the "totalitarian USSR" it was impossible to fire a person from an enterprise without the consent of the trade union committee.
Compared to today's Russia, the USSR is a kingdom of freedom.

[atalef]

Quote: Z.O.V.

In the “totalitarian Stalinist USSR,” no permission was required to acquire hunting weapons. Under Stalin, everyone who reached the age of 18 could freely buy weapons and ammunition in the store

Add - having a hunting ticket !!! And write the order for getting a hunting ticket yourself or I can. - The trial period is 1 year, the guarantee of 2 members of the hunting club - what is this free purchase?

Quote: Z.O.V.

In the "totalitarian USSR" it was not required to carry a passport with you, and it was impossible even to imagine mass checks of documents.

The regulations on passports established that "all citizens of the USSR, aged 16 years old, permanently residing in cities, workers' settlements, working in transport, on state farms and in new buildings, are required to have passports." Now the entire territory of the country and its population were divided into two unequal parts: the one where the passport system was introduced, and the one where it did not exist. In the passported areas, the passport was the only document “certifying the identity of the owner”. All previous certificates that previously served as a residence permit were canceled.

Mandatory registration of passports with the police was introduced “no later than 24 hours upon arrival at a new residence”. An extract has also become obligatory - for everyone who dropped out “from the borders of the given settlement at all or for a period of more than two months”; for everyone leaving their former place of residence exchanging passports; prisoners; arrested, detained for more than two months. Violation of the passport system could henceforth entail bringing to administrative and even criminal liability.

And you say wearing was not necessary, as if we lived in another country, didn’t check your passports at railway stations, in large quantities?

Quote: Z.O.V.

In the "totalitarian USSR" it was not required to present a passport when buying a ticket for a long-distance train. The ticket could be transferred to another person.

So it was all over the world, on domestic flights, and now . We have tickets (in Canada, America, Europe), tickets are not registered and are sold without identification, but in the Russian Federation with this matter how?

[NO PASARAN]

Quote: atalef

And you say wearing was not necessary, as if we lived in another country, didn’t check your passports at railway stations, in large quantities?

No, they didn’t check!
Why are you writing nonsense? I personally traveled the whole country from the Baltic states to the Far East and on trains and planes, I declare that there was no total passport control on transport in the USSR
Explain why you are writing a deliberate lie? You are now a citizen of another country, you have chosen your route, but We are here and we have nowhere to go, respectively, and deal with "our affairs" We will ourselves, and you enjoy the heavenly life in Palestine, build there for yourself the promised paradise, but I just ask you do not dare to throw mud at my homeland, the USSR, we have enough regular detractors even without you.
Threat. And in Israel, I was in yours, especially not pinned
Can we crackle about your problem? Or are you all "exactly"?

[saenara]

The regulations on passports established that "all citizens of the USSR, aged 16 years old, permanently residing in cities, workers' settlements, working in transport, on state farms and in new buildings, are required to have passports."

Quote: atalef

And you say wearing was not necessary, as if we lived in another country, didn’t check your passports at railway stations, in large quantities?

You twist as always. "Have" and "always have with you" are very different things.
You may have forgotten the Russian language and you should learn it.

[EGOrkka]

atalef
1.Add - having a hunting ticket !!! And write the order for getting a hunting ticket yourself or I can. - The trial period is 1 year, the guarantee of 2 members of the hunting club - what is this free purchase?
2.And you say wearing was not necessary, as if we lived in another country, didn’t check your passports at railway stations, massively?

1. I, at 17, bought ammunition for small things in a mixed store ....... what are your mother's tickets? maybe in the capital? maybe to a party congress?

2. In real life, who on the street asked?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: atalef

Quote: Z.O.V. In the "totalitarian Stalinist USSR" permission was not required to acquire hunting weapons. Under Stalin, everyone who reached the age of 18 could freely buy weapons and ammunition in the store

Add - having a hunting ticket !!! And write the order for getting a hunting ticket yourself or I can. - The trial period is 1 year, the guarantee of 2 members of the hunting club - what is this free purchase?

Was, was a free purchase. Shotguns were sold in selmags for 16 rubles. Considering that at that time they were already making “Voroshilov shooters” from the pioneers, the age limit was up to 16 years. The shotguns were given out simply as prizes. Then industrial hunting appeared and in the 60s rifled weapons were confiscated from everyone except traders, and hunters were herded into the hunting and fishing union, instilling collectivism and hunting culture. So, I was not too lazy, I raised a file of magazines of the Stalin years - I am attaching a photo.

[atalef]

Quote: Z.O.V.

The "totalitarian USSR" never searched passengers at airports.

And nowhere searched

Quote: Z.O.V.

In the "totalitarian USSR" land documents were drawn up in one day. When it took two, the Soviet people shouted about "terrible bureaucracy" and wrote angry letters to the newspapers.

I don’t remember a conversation with the land, and my parents ran into the country, well, quite a few

Quote: Z.O.V.

In the "totalitarian USSR" it was impossible to evict people on the street without providing them with other housing.

Well, yes, about 101 kilometers have you never heard of a link (or a ban on living in the capital, the capitals of the Union republics and regional centers) have you never heard the same? They wrote and settled - in barracks and hostels - in areas

Quote: Z.O.V.

In the "totalitarian USSR" only a passport was required from documents for temporary registration at a temporary place of residence.

But we generally do not have (temporary) registration, and in many countries of the world it is the same.

Quote: Z.O.V.

In the "totalitarian USSR" it was impossible to fire a person from an enterprise without the consent of the trade union committee.

Did the trade union committee go against the director or the party committee?

Quote: Z.O.V.

Compared to today's Russia, the USSR is a kingdom of freedom.

Well. Yes of course .
You would come to Moscow (freely), go abroad, buy a car, etc. etc. There were advantages in the USSR, but do not tell me to call the kingdom of freedom

[captain]

I will add; serfdom was revived in the USSR. In rural areas, until 1964, passports were not issued, without the permission of the chairman of the collective farm (state farm), and without a passport it was impossible to get a job in the city. Another interesting point; the peasant in the USSR was not considered a full-fledged person, the All-Russian Congress of Soviets was the bearer of supreme power in the RSFSR. Initially, it was formed on the basis of the same norms of representation of the urban and rural population that were laid down in the 1918 Constitution. Then the All-Russian Congress of Soviets began to be formed from representatives of city Soviets at the rate of one delegate per 25 thousand voters and representatives from the congresses of Soviets of autonomous republics, from the congresses of Soviets of autonomous regions, from the regional and regional congresses of Soviets at the rate of 1 delegate per 125 thousand population. In the period between congresses, the All-Russian Central Executive Committee functioned, which was elected by the All-Russian Congress of Soviets in the number of members determined by the congress. The All-Russian Congress of Soviets was convened by the All-Russian Central Executive Committee once a year, and then - once every two years. I explain to the "patriots" that the voice of one city dweller was equated to 5 votes of peasants. In the USSR, everything was not bad, but I recommend looking at the materials about peasant riots in the USSR. By the way, the remuneration of labor on collective farms was interesting; not money, but workdays. At enterprises, in party and state structures, they paid with money, as the Soviet government loved the peasants, who believed it and went to fight for it.

[sssla]

Quote: captain

in how the Soviet power loved the peasants who believed it went to fight for it.

I can imagine what the Soviet peasants and peasants said about the rights and lives of their ancestors and those who owned them, somewhere in the eighteen hundred and sixties !! Times were not the same, and life was different. Can you understand this ??????? Then there was one thing and now everything is different !!! Maybe you still have the times, way of life, way of life and relations of primitive people living in the territory of modern Russia for example lead ??? Leave alone those Soviet times finally !!!!!!!

[captain]

Dear sssla, you can imagine what you said, but I heard it from my grandparents. My maternal grandfather fought in the 1-th Cavalry Army at Budenny for Soviet power and said that the peasants went to fight for the Bolsheviks over the land. And the Communists took this land (he divided the Bolsheviks and the Communists). I am killed by the logic of people who consider their thoughts to be the most correct and immediately begin to blame their opponent for stupidity. Soviet power was no different for peasants from feudal, the same serfdom and the gradual abolition of corvee. The communists simply deceived the peasants. And now, the children and grandchildren of these communists rule under a different banner. For example, Medvedev, the grandson of the secretary of harm as the city party committee, pope taught scientific communism. Chubais is the son of a political worker, papa was a lieutenant colonel. The famous Gaidar, the son of Rear Admiral Political Worker. The lovers of our peasants (communists and crap in the Duma) did not give land to the peasants in the 90 years, but modestly preserved it for today's land magnates, but everything was done under a beautiful sign; they say that in the West everyone unites, and we will share. you can not do it this way. Now we have what we have.

[Egevich]

Quote: captain

Incidentally, wages on collective farms were interesting; not money, but workdays. At enterprises, in party and state structures, they paid money in the way the peasants loved the Soviet power, who believed it and went to fight for it.

Well, yes, yes - there wasn’t enough evil when I got a 1-year-old kid (assistant to the combine operator) for 16 harvester, 900 rubles, 10 tons of grain, 250 liters of vegetable oil, 40 kg of honey, 300 kg of sugar, and a bunch of everything that didn’t fit in 2 sheds, where I cursing my oppressors, I pulled all this ... I lived with my grandfather and grandmother (it happened), and the collective farmer was me alone ... and God forbid, would everyone be collective farmers ??? it’s the Lord’s passions ... the year 1990 - it seems that the Soviet regime was still ... oh yes - the collective farmer’s labor book (it was written on it) really depressed me, I didn’t sleep at night, I was all worried about how to live with this stigma, and what to do with everything you have earned ... and the harvest and sowing every year ... they scoffed, bastards, at people ... because every peasant dreamed of selling his homeland and ruining the USSR from his young nails ...

[captain]

I am very happy for you, but why are our villages emptied from such a heavenly life? I lived and studied in a village in the Tambov region, with my maternal grandfather. My father is from the village of Kursk region. My grandfather in the Tambov region of 600 households in 1924, by 1976 only 50 households remained. Apparently people fled from heavenly life to Voronezh, Lipetsk, Tambov and Kuzbass. Young people did not return from the army, with rare exceptions. Abandoned houses, schools, clubs, it all began not in 1993, but much earlier. The peasant did not sell his homeland even in the 1st World War, the Germans could not even form a company from the Russian peasants, but in the Great Patriotic War, according to our General Staff, about 800 thousand. our compatriots fought against our Red Army. An interesting indicator, by the way, and in 1812 the French were unable to recruit those wishing to fight against their own. So our communists and their last descendants, Medvedev, for example, the grandson of the secretary of the city party committee, Gaidar, the son of the political worker of the admiral, Chubais, the son of the political worker, lieutenant colonel ... I am generally silent about your Gorbachev and Yakovlev. true Bolsheviks did everything for the good of the Russian people. Lenin in his work "On the national pride of the Great Russians" called the Russians "derzhimordami", maybe you like that we are Russians that are called that, but I don’t. In his work "On nationalities or on" autonomization ", he proposed to solve all land issues in favor of national minorities at the expense of the Russians. I recommend reading the work. Well, at the present stage we are reaping these fruits. Of course, you are probably pleased that the Russians were driven from the Caucasus , from Central Asia, the Baltic States, etc. By the way, your idol handed out lands together with the Russian people; Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Georgia, and the autonomous formations in Russia itself. The Soviet government was not fluffy and white in relation to to the peasants and differed little in matters of peasant oppression from the tsarist.

[twigs]

When I began to collect documents when I retired, I sent requests for the fact of work to previous places of work (as the new liberal system of power and its valiant representative of the FIU demanded, labor and records in it did not suit) So what was my surprise when, in response to a request to the district archive about the length of service on the collective farm after the service before entering the university, they sent me a certificate for the entire length of service on the collective farm, starting with the length of service during the summer holidays as a schoolboy. With the number of days worked and the amount earned). With surprise for myself, I discovered that I started earning and replenishing the family budget of my parents in June 1960 at the age of 11! (this is to the question of sticks-workdays) But the most interesting thing is that the bureaucratic snouts, grinning carnivore, told me that: - "in Russia, child labor is prohibited and allowed only on the proposal of the commission on juvenile affairs from the age of 14 (I later specified that it is) and that the PFR cannot take this experience into account! " And 14 you must submit a certificate from the archive that such permission was issued to the parents. Moreover, they retroactively canceled the law of the "damned" communists, according to which the length of study at the university of a student who had a year of work experience before entering the university was counted as labor and did not take into account the length of study at the university for me, in short, from the submitted documents Certificates from the place of work until the age of majority and they have left labor records for a little over 51 years. Oya half-sister (we are twins) retired on a disability pension until 45, she was taken into account until the day. This is to the question of how the communists "rotted" the citizens of the country. Well, and how the ruling United Russia State Duma and the Government of the Russian Federation are now concerned about their citizens.

[WKS]

Quote: sssla

The Soviet Union collapsed because of the truth. Due to the fact that people suddenly began to dump tons of terrifying truth about their life.

This is pure delusion. The USSR collapsed because it was destroyed from the inside. The ruling elite wanted private property. But the truth has nothing to do with it. Everyone knew this truth and discussed it in all kitchens and smoking rooms, and the fact that only a young, non-smoking schoolgirl could startle her out of congresses.

[sssla]

Quote: wks

But the truth has nothing to do with it. Everyone knew this truth and discussed it in all kitchens and smoking rooms, and the fact that only a young, non-smoking schoolgirl could startle her out of congresses.

You might think, following your statements that over the past 5 years we have learned so much truth about the deeds of Matrasia that it is about to burst !!! Yeah right now! Mutota

[demon is ada]

Not private property, but unlimited power! Private property is just a tool of power ... Educated and smart people can be controlled, that is, have power over them only if you really surpass them in development, only in this case they will do what you tell them ... If you are stupid like a tree, then everyone will be just send you , and it doesn’t matter which post ...
Modern "governors from BG" understand this very well, so they relied on illiteracy and lack of spirituality, but in this situation, a return to the Stone Age and a get-together is inevitable, in which those thirsty for power will die ... It's just a postponement, and then again the genocide of the very wise and for 100 years an uncritical amount of them will groan, and then again and so on ... Classics however ...

[twigs]

Yes, it didn’t really go, but ordinary chernukha in horse doses, which was not balanced by anything brighter than people lived.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Strashila

Like the great ones ... if we exclude the lie ... this does not mean that only the truth will remain, most likely nothing will remain.

"Adding lies to deeds is tantamount to admixing a gold or silver coin; it may improve the working of the metal, but spoils its purity."
Francis Bacon.

In general, of course, lies, deception are an attribute of trade. And since fascism in Germany has long been called the "dictatorship of shopkeepers" in Germany, is it any wonder that lies and deceit have penetrated the very essence of the Western worldview? And it's somehow inconvenient to talk about the connection between trade, lies and America ...

[Knight]

It’s a strange article, just to write something. The title of the article is surprising, the author apparently doesn’t know that there was never any truth for external use, the West always said and did what was beneficial to him. The naive faith in the truth that the West allegedly carries , was in the possession of many Soviet people in the 80s, but since then a lot of water has flowed and there probably hasn’t been anyone left to preserve this faith. the reasons for the collapse of the USSR.

[tweezers]

Quote: Knight

Strange article

at first I thought so too, but gave myself the trouble to re-read it again - and I liked it ... try it, but for now - Tatiana "+", and you "-" - purely my opinion, sorry ...

[Knight]

Quote: pincet

at first I thought so too, but gave myself the trouble to re-read it again - and I liked it ... try it, but for now - Tatiana "+", and you "-" - purely my opinion, sorry ...

Well, what is this your comment about? What informative load does it bear? In fact, no, one empty idle talk. What did you like about the article, what didn’t you like about my arguments?

[EvgNik]

Quote: Knight

Strange article

So this is Literaturnaya Gazeta, what other article can you expect from them?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Knight

The naive faith in the truth that the West allegedly carries was among many Soviet people in the 80'sbut since then a lot of water has flowed and probably there is no one left who would keep this faith

I would say that this faith was in the PART of Soviet people, which you cannot even call Soviet. After all, she was sitting at that time in the mental hospital Novodvorskaya, scribbling articles about the triumph of communism Yegorushka-Gaydarushka, rotting somewhere in the department of the Red Fox - they were in the 80's, haven’t gone anywhere. Here they may have had this faith. They then arranged this on August 18, they arranged October-93, they arranged defaults, "black" Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Fridays, they organized a robbery of their own country. And in the 80s - yes, they quietly sat in holes and BELIEVED ...

[tango-s]

The word "nothing" is spelled together.

[domokl]

Probably a correct remark. Only the author does not take into account that the "guard is tired". The world is tired of the "talking shop" in Ukraine. The world is tired of constant lies.
That is why misinformation about Russia is not being passed on now. That is why the voting at the UN is being postponed. That is why the heads of the inhabitants of Europe and America are "hammered" by Iran and ISIS.
I think the sluggish schizophrenia with Boeing will end exactly when the "attack" with Ukraine ends. Immediately upon completion, we will get the "guilty".

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: domokl

I think sluggish schizophrenia with Boeing will end exactly when the "attack" with Ukraine ends. Immediately upon completion, we will get the "guilty".

In this case the truth about Boeing will not be received by us, but by our grandchildren. Because schizophrenia with Ukraine will end when those who grow up and were born in the last 25 years in Ukraine, that is, 1980-2010 years of birth, die out. Bandera is driven into this generation, it cannot be obtained from there in the same way that pride for Gagarin, for the 1945, DneproGES and Magnitogorsk cannot be pulled out of me without any democracy! This has been hammered into me since childhood - even though I am a scoop, but I was proud of THAT my country and I want to be proud of THIS. Fortunately, in THAT country, if there were those who, in the words of Solovyov's Gozman, were “sick of their country,” they were safely hidden away. And in THIS country, they walk on Bolotnye and blather on TV, not to mention the Internet - the same Gozman, for example. (I would kill!) And I am used to being proud of my country and to anyone, but I was ashamed in the 90s, approximately as ashamed of a close relative who had drunk at a wedding. The language will not turn to swear, but you understand that his behavior is immoral. God grant that I will never experience this feeling of shame for the Motherland again and my grandchildren will not recognize it.

[atalef]

Quote: domokl

... The world is tired of the "talking shop" in Ukraine

I’m tired, or rather, they were on the drum before that, but now it’s more

Quote: domokl

The world is tired of constant lies.

Alexander, good morning!
Are all countries related to the world, or are there any where they only speak the truth?

Quote: domokl

That is why disinformation about Russia is not being passed on now.

Stop it, there’s a minimum of attention in the news in Russia, believe me no one is following Russia (in the media), all of their problems are enough and talking about the indignation of the world’s masses is funny about Russia
There are individuals who are trying to diversify the media from the media, but in general the bulk of them are giving what they are given and 100% believe it - by the way, the same applies to Russians

Quote: domokl

That is why the vote is being transferred to the UN

Quote: domokl

That is why the heads of the inhabitants of Europe and America are "hammered" by Iran and ISIS

Alexander, look at the CNN of Europe or America - about ISIS, Russia or Iran - reports and information are much less than in the Russian media about Ukraine.
They are primarily concerned about their problems - then the weather, then the purchases --- then for a long time, no one is there, and then ISIS. IRAN, Russia, and then Ukraine slips somewhere.

Quote: domokl

I think sluggish schizophrenia with Boeing will end exactly when the "attack" with Ukraine ends

Do not hope Holland will bring it to the end, with or without a tribunal - you can be sure. The Dutch generally do not care about what is happening in Ukraine - they need to bring claims and it will be Ukraine - then Ukraine, Russia - means Russia (or the DPR )

Quote: domokl

Immediately upon completion, we will get the "guilty".

Why Russia?

[user1212]

Quote: atalef

I’m tired, or rather, they were on the drum before that, but now it’s more

What really excites the European layman (as well as the Israeli and Russian) is told to him on TV.

Quote: atalef

Are all countries related to the world, or are there any where they only speak the truth?

So is Israel

Quote: atalef

The Dutch generally do not care about what is happening in Ukraine - they need to bring claims and it will be Ukraine - then Ukraine, Russia - means Russia

You still say that the EU states may have an independent foreign policy or that this story is not politicized

[atalef]

Quote: user1212

What really excites the European layman (as well as the Israeli and Russian) is told to him on TV.

In general, yes.

Quote: user1212

You still say that the EU states may have an independent foreign policy or that this story is not politicized

To a much lesser extent than you think or would you like to think. In Holland, first of all, they want compensation for the relatives of the victims, so the investigation will be carried out as conscientiously as possible. maybe then it will go to court and the accused party the same TPM will participate
And believe me, Holland will not care if it is Ukraine or Russia.

[user1212]

Quote: atalef

And believe me, Holland will not care if it is Ukraine or Russia.

I do not believe. Otherwise, it will be necessary to admit the theoretical possibility of the introduction by the European Union of economic and political sanctions against the political ally of the United States and the EU (Ukraine). And such a turn would never occur to any dreamer. No investigation will ever be able to identify those responsible. The maximum that will establish it than shot down. But if the type of missile is in service with both the Russian Federation and Ukraine, then we get a dead end. Everything else is at the level of speculation. For the summer of last year, there was no continuous front line, therefore, even if it is possible to determine the launch area, this will not prove anything. Therefore, an international tribunal is needed to get away from the rules for conducting an investigation and banally appoint the perpetrators. "Democratic" media have already done it

[robinson]

Quote: atalef

they should be sued

Quote: atalef

Why Russia?

In fact, annoying commercial interest in the search for the guilty. Who is easier to get money from? Russia, Ukraine, the DPR? Guess three times?

[shishakova]

Yesterday I talked with one former "friend". She now lives in Switzerland. Her daughter married a rich man who rides his wife on his own plane.
So my "friend" said: - Not a single enterprise works in Russia, all sewing factories are closed, people are starving, and soon there will be a revolution of the starving masses.
Here it is the WESTERN TRUTH.
I am laughing))
Victory will be ours!

[Kos_kalinki9]

Quote: shishakova

Yesterday I talked with one former "friend". She now lives in Switzerland. Her daughter married a rich man who rides his wife on his own plane.
So my "friend" said: - Not a single enterprise works in Russia, all sewing factories are closed, people are starving, and soon there will be a revolution of the starving masses.
Here it is the WESTERN TRUTH.
I am laughing))
Victory will be ours!

"... Oh, it's not difficult to deceive me, I myself am glad to be deceived" (AS Pushkin). read the words of the classic to your former "friend", if of course she has not forgotten the Russian language.

[sv68]

domokl-in the world there are only two states capable of controlling this world. And while we will show excessive softness in everything, the appointed guilty in all the troubles of mankind will be we, the second after China superpower on planet earth.

[Tanais]

Quote: sv68

in the world there are only two states capable of controlling this world. And while we will be too soft in everything, the appointed guilty party in all the troubles of mankind will be we, the second after China superpower on planet earth.

China is still only "growing out of short pants", while (BYE!) Is limited only to trade, economic and financial expansion, and trying to resolve territorial issues in the "inner circle" of neighbors ...

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: sv68

we will be the second after China superpower on planet earth.

I do not agree with this ..
Russia is not "soft", we are just adequate, but if you piss me off well, everyone knows from our history what happens ...

[Peacemaker]

And the USA defeated the war over fascism. Spreading her lie. So a lie but it is believed not only in America. She quietly sneaks even into Russia and the countries of the community. Therefore, it is necessary to cut the truth of the uterus and the more often the better.

[question]

It is not clear to me why the GRU, the SVR, are not fighting the scribes, there are courts, there are other methods.

[Lenivets]

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it is not clear why the GRU, SVR, do not fight with scribes

And how do you imagine the responsibilities and capabilities of the GRU and the SVR?
Are you sure that the fight against "hackers" is their task?
Maybe their task is reconnaissance (and in the case of the GRU, sabotage as well), and not the fight against "scribblers" ?!

[WInovikov]

Yes, we already have so many "law enforcement officers" that they have already begun to lay off. There are a lot of "law enforcement officers", but "bogies", Navalny and others are walking around, and giving interviews on television. And where are the landing?

[Svetovod]

But the point is not to make them tell the truth, or not to lie, but to show the whole world that Russia = True, and the West = false. And that’s it. This will solve a lot at a time when the West will have nothing to pay for its lies.

[Manul]

Thanks to Tatyana - a great article. At such a moment as the flies flies liberals and let's minus. I read at my leisure other materials of this journalist.

[fomkin]

No article. But the topic is interesting. V. Vysotsky has a "BALLAD ABOUT TRUTH AND LIE" there the following words:
"There is no difference between Truth and Lies,
Unless, of course, you undress both. "
Everyone has their own truth. And remember the episodes from your life. Or analyze TV shows. It is enough to take out only part of the truth from the context, here's a completely different meaning for you. Well, about the fact that the USSR was ruined by the truth, these are generally stories in favor of the poor. What were the cries of repression worth?

Well, in what place is more truth?

[Manul]

Quote: fomkin

No article.

Argument: Why are you forcing us to delve into ourselves? Is this your only reason? An article about an unprecedented war being waged against us, and not only informational war, and the pressure will grow. Some "flaws" in a very intelligible material should not allow stigmatizing the entire article. You put on the fog, attached the actual picture, but I did not understand your attack at all.

[kotvov]

an unprecedented war, and not only information.
here is this article, one of the patrons of this war. For one phrase about the truth, I personally put a minus., TRUTH, WEST, one, have their own benefit.

[srha]

Quote: Manul

Argue

The article is worse than none. The article is decadent. The article talks about "tons of terrifying truth", about "no one is interested in our truth." And everything is a little different because of "Own interpretation of any story."

What is truth anyway? Fact or interpretation? Is there awareness of a fact without interpretation? Therefore, for example, the truth of a lion who is going to dine as a monk is different from the truth of this monk: for the first - let this dinner be not prickly and not sinewy, and for the second - Lord, turn this unreasonable animal away from the sin of eating something like you. Therefore, they have their own truth. And the message: "No one is interested in your evidence" is not entirely correct.

In fact, we simply cannot convey our evidence. But the USSR could - to Berlin and beyond. And the point is not so much in tanks and missiles as in the international, Western communist parties, left unions, socialists, movements such as non-aligned, etc.

And the USSR collapsed due to untruth - mass deception. And what someone called "truth" was either a lie or a one-sided truth, which is also a lie, i.e. disinformation cover.

[blizart]

Any truth is only part of the truth.

[Manul]

Quote: blizart

Any truth is only part of the truth.

Isn't everything so simple in Crimea?

[mikh-korsakov]

I did not like the article. Coquettish "intelligentsia". About the truth about the crimes of the NKVD. Oddly enough, the so-called "bloody executioner" Stalin began to convey it to the people in 1939. At the same time, the main executioners (Yezhov, etc.) were shot in his usual manner. Then, in 1956, Nikita exposed everything I didn't want to do. They will immediately object to me - they needed it because of the current political situation. And this is true, as well as the fact that during perestroika they returned to this issue and began to expose again, also for the sake of the political situation, but the only difference is that under Gorbachev they were exposed in order to please the intentions of the Western world and the top of the intelligentsia bribed by him. Feel the difference. After Khrushchev's revelations, the material situation of people improved, a little, but as they say with what they could, our country made a breakthrough in the economy and was the first to break into space. In the world, our enemies began to respect us. After the revelations of Yakovlev and Co., and in some part thanks to them, everyone already knows. what happened, the country fell apart. Now our oracles have already lined up to expose, they are waiting for the go-ahead, some (Makarevich) have a false start. Because of this, I have a misunderstanding. why our authorities do not see this and continue to play Leopold the cat. Based on the fate of Miloschevich and Kadaffi, I don't think so. that in the event of the defeat of Russia, they will be spared. And you need to think about your people, for the most part they do not want to follow the Ukrainian path, but if you continue to express concern. in the west they will consider it a weakness and with even more rudeness I will put my feet on our table. Do not feel sorry for yourself, so think about your people, gentlemen.

[akudr48]

The article as a whole is correct, put a plus, but there is something to complain about.

1. The USSR is considered as a single society, without division even into those classes that were allowed in the USSR. Therefore, it seems wrong that the USSR collapsed because of the truth, people did not suffer an excess of truth about themselves, were offended and joined in friendly ranks to build capitalism, moving away from the annoying socialism.

People were taken there, to another stall, in which jeans, Coca-Cola and chewing gum were visible from afar, but in reality the collar turned out to be much worse than the Soviet one. Like, give up hope, everyone entering capitalism ...

And who led - the party leaders, natural thieves and crooks, as well as the eternal servant of the powerful, so-called creative intelligentsia, explaining to the unaware that 2 a / m Volga for 1 voucher in capitalism is very goodoo, and a solid GULAG and sausage for 2.20 in socialism is very badooo ...

And now these guitarists, dancers, singers and dancers with hairdressers, with villas abroad, continue to talk about freedoms and rights in the West, which we still need to strive for and strive for, as to the horizon ...

2. About the West and its ideas about Russia, and that supposedly it is possible to explain our position, the poet said a long time ago, "Waste labor - no, you can't understand them, - The more liberal, the more vulgar they are ..."
In the framework of the ongoing information war, they will support any claims against the country and citizens of Russia, if there is a hint of damage from these claims. They hold their global infotainment. Our propagandists and agitators for Russia (especially in the presence of an active 5th column) sometimes seem helpless schoolchildren, whom everyone is obliged to retake exam after exam.

Less need to wipe off Western spitting and more to act, and not to call every foreign policy nit "partner"!

[andrejwz]

Such reasoning from an apprentice from literature somehow set the teeth on edge. The main thing in these articles is not what is presented as a topic of reasoning, but those small inaccuracies, untruths that can be attributed to personal perception, personal worldview of the author. But these elements are what such things are written for. A big lie is woven from them. When reasoning on a socially significant topic brought up for reading, the reader misses a small lie, as not essential. But skipping, as if implicitly agrees with her. The machine-gun line of such articles and now the distortion of reality becomes an axiom, i.e. "truth" to argue with which you hoarse.

[NordUral]

I had a homegrown theory that in many ways the Soviet Union collapsed because of the truth. Due to the fact that to people (brought up by Russian classics, this is very important: from Russian classics, brains become unusually sensitive and all conscious processes in the body become aggravated) - tons of terrifying things suddenly began to fall out to these people LIES about their life.

The phrase is correct, but not truth, but lies. I changed. Now this statement is - TRUTH!

[Rostislav]

Why this opus? Against the background of the well-known desire of the West to unprovenly blame Russia for everything, insert this with a quiet glanders?

all citizens who are now at key posts in Russian politics have a good chance of finding a safe haven in the West.

But the dill ears of a downed Boeing are not seen only by those who do not want to see anything. Another thing is how much Russia will be able to counter this unbridled propaganda campaign launched on the initiative of the states.

[lopvlad]

The Soviet Union collapsed not because of the truth, but because the Soviet elite wanted to live in the West or as the West. This elite launched in the Soviet media propaganda of the Western way of life so that the Soviet people wanted to live like in the West.
The Soviet people swallowed the propaganda with the exaltation of the West and denigrating Russia and destroying the USSR. I want to repeat once again that it was Russia that was denigrated and not the Soviet Union. Exactly this way there are still color coups in the territory of post-Soviet states (exaltation of the West and the denigration of Russia. And that means any way which is connected with Russia.)

[Princely]

If Russophobia is added to the above, then there will be a complete and true picture of those events.

[31rus]

If you want the truth, go to the brothel, want to be humiliated, go to court, though the concept is too capacious and look for it to waste time, because everyone has their own

[VoenDok]

Truth, like any potent drug should be dispensed "by prescription" and applied in doses and strictly according to indications

[Tambov Wolf]

Who authorized the Boeing investigation to proceed without us? America will say, then the question is, why did we, having influence on the Lao PDR, did everything to take away the investigation by those who could not even think about it, why did we do everything so that even the toilet bowl from Boeing went to the West, where you can do whatever you want with debris? Those. They gave everything into dirty hands, and now we go to the dermantin, that we are accused of all the troubles. Are we such "honest" or fools? I personally think that this is pure sabotage carried out by our government, as well as giving up to the slaughter of Yugoslavia, Libya, etc.