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The cruiser "Moscow" performed missile firing in the Atlantic

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The missile cruiser of the Black Sea Fleet "Moscow" in the Atlantic Ocean carried out rocket firing at surface and air targets, reports MIC with reference to the representative of the Black Sea fleet Vyacheslav Trukhachev.



"One of the main elements of the exercises that the Moskva missile cruiser conducted in the Atlantic was a naval battle, during which the crew of the cruiser performed missile firing with the main complex at a target position imitating a surface ship," Trukhachev said.

He noted that "the cruise missile successfully hit the target." In addition, according to the officer, “while working on the task of organizing the air defense of a detachment of ships, the cruiser completed firing at the air target with anti-aircraft missile complex“ Fort ”and ship artillery.” Also performed successful shooting at surface and air targets in the group of patrol ship "Pytlivy".

According to him, the control of the effectiveness of the firing was carried out by a Ka-27PS deck helicopter aviation cruiser "Moscow".

The representative of the fleet recalled that "after the completion of the activities of calling at the port of Luanda of the Republic of Angola, a detachment of ships of the Black Sea Fleet consisting of: the Guards missile cruiser Moskva, the patrol ship Pytlivy, the rescue tug Shakhtar and the tanker Ivan Bubnov" went to the designated area in the eastern Atlantic Ocean to conduct exercises. "
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  1. alekc73
    alekc73 16 July 2015 15: 43
    +11
    Seven feet under the keel drinks
    1. jjj
      jjj 16 July 2015 15: 51
      +7
      Black Sea Fleet appears in Angola? In any case, the fleet began to visit the western coast of Africa. And then there individual rulers lost their scent, our ships are arrested, they are trying to cut money
      1. oleg-gr
        oleg-gr 16 July 2015 16: 03
        0
        The cruiser "Moscow" fired missiles in the Atlantic. And why is it not reported about the quantitative losses of the American Navy? Between the lines it reads ... Or fantasy?
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 16 July 2015 16: 11
          +9
          Be sure to bang! The whole world is in dust, but then!
          (film "DMB", ensign Nikolay Kozakov (Wild ensign), actor - Sergei Artsibashev, recently deceased)
          Eternal memory to him!
          1. KERTAK
            KERTAK 16 July 2015 16: 23
            +1
            In the Atlantic Ocean we need a base on the west coast of Africa, for example. Doctrines hold yes Protect our friends
          2. nemo778
            nemo778 17 July 2015 00: 49
            +2
            No pluses needed! I want to join !!! Bright memory !!! I remember! I grieve! (Mandatory! Let's hit !!!) crying hi
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      3. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 16 July 2015 23: 27
        +3
        In Angola, at one time there was 30 bFK SF So it turns out we are returning to the previous places of military service. And this can not but rejoice! In 1987, a shaggy year had the fortune of half a year to protect the fishery. And then my friend developed the concept of their fleet for the Angolanines. I also remembered Eduard Duscantos. The Cuban brothers who stopped the South African tanks with grenade launchers on the way to Luanda. These are warriors! We compared them then with the heroes of Stalingrad !!!
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 16 July 2015 16: 22
      +3
      The military presence in the region, as a rule, declares its economic interests. We catch fish there, but we also establish contacts with a member of BRICS - South Africa. While the United States, France, Germany dominate there. But China is on their heels. The 21st century will go into redistribution of influence in Africa and the struggle for Antarctica will begin. And what do we need to calmly observe from the outside?
  2. wk
    wk 16 July 2015 15: 44
    -33
    Seriously, there’s nothing for him to do in the Atlantic ... if it’s a show off, it’s very unfortunate .... his task is always to be in the Black Sea, it seems that NATO exercises will be there soon or soon .... or did he run away?)))
    1. Mainbeam
      Mainbeam 16 July 2015 15: 51
      +9
      after completion of the call at the port of Luanda of the Republic of Angola, a detachment of ships of the Black Sea Fleet

      A study trip is a useful thing. So she will return to her Black Sea. And on the eve of NATO exercises, on the way home, he fired at the "enemy ships" for an ostracism. He reminded everyone what he was for. Show off, of course. It will go back past Greece, which is also useful. And if they also go into the cake, then generally support the fraternal people. They will pass through the Bosphorus - hello to the Turks! So the path trains navigation in the Atlantic. In terms of range, the hike is like to the Yankos.

      1. wk
        wk 16 July 2015 15: 59
        -16
        Quote: MainBeam
        It will pass back by Greece, which is also useful.

        what is it useful? .... they will buy olive oil at a low price at crisis prices?))) a joke .... this is unlikely! Greece is a NATO member country, no one will let a Russian ship go there without the permission of the NATO authorities!
        1. Mainbeam
          Mainbeam 16 July 2015 16: 05
          +3
          Quote: wk
          Greece country member of NATO

          Why not?

          On Monday, January 14, a detachment of ships of the Northern Fleet (SF), comprising the large anti-submarine ship (BOD) Severomorsk, the rescue and tugboat Altai, and the average sea tanker Dubna made a business call at the Greek port of Souda.

          During the visit, the crew of the Russian BOD will familiarize itself with the training program for military sailors in the fight against pirates in the multinational training center for maritime special operations. Severomorsk will exchange experience with foreign naval sailors and will conduct joint training on the actions of inspection teams and the release of the vessel captured by pirates.
        2. BAIKAL03
          BAIKAL03 16 July 2015 16: 58
          -11
          And snotty writes different nonsense, well, you snotty and give!
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    2. sir_obs
      sir_obs 16 July 2015 15: 55
      +7
      What should he do in this arc? This is a ship of the far ocean zone, which American aircraft carriers should keep in charge, in the Atlantic and in Gibraltar. In the Black Sea, there are enough forces to drive different guest performers.
      1. wk
        wk 16 July 2015 16: 06
        -1
        Quote: sir_obs
        This is a ship of the far ocean zone, which American aircraft carriers should keep in charge, in the Atlantic and in Gibraltar.

        Do you sincerely believe that a physically and morally obsolete cruiser in the amount of one unit keeps American aircraft carriers in tension?)))


        Quote: sir_obs
        In the Black Sea, there are enough forces to drive different guest performers.


        let me ask what these forces are and how they are sufficient!
        1. sir_obs
          sir_obs 16 July 2015 16: 29
          +5
          There will be enough 41 crews of missile boats, although Samum and Boru can be called missile boats conditionally.
          Plus aviation and coastal parts. And to keep a cruiser in this puddle, the weapon of which is the entire water area, washed away a little.
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        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 16 July 2015 16: 30
          +10
          Quote: wk
          Do you sincerely believe that a physically and morally obsolete cruiser in the amount of one unit keeps American aircraft carriers in tension?)))

          Yes, Moscow is already far from a young ship. But if you honestly understand it, then he has nothing to do in the Black Puddle. This is a ship of the ocean zone and he just can’t turn around on the Russian Sea.
          Quote: wk
          let me ask what these forces are and how they are sufficient!

          Well, to begin with, almost all directions are shot through by coastal complexes, and the sky is blocked by air defense systems. Plus for this Black Sea Fleet, and I suppose the cruiser will be just redundant. And remembering that the Gauges are now being put on small ships, as well as the installation As part of the modernization of the CLUB-K marine analogue, it turns out that a cruiser with ONYXES has nothing to do in this sea. hi
          1. wk
            wk 16 July 2015 16: 39
            -2
            Quote: NEXUS
            Plus to this Black Sea Fleet, and I suppose the cruiser will be simply redundant

            but the command of the Black Sea Fleet does not think so .... in the dock film "Crimea - Return to the Homeland" it was clearly stated that the range of the "bastions" was insufficient against American ships with "tomahawks" therefore "Moskva" was in an increased BG.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 16 July 2015 16: 45
              +6
              Quote: wk
              but the command of the Black Sea Fleet does not think so .... in the dock film "Crimea - Return to the Homeland" it was clearly stated that the range of the "bastions" was insufficient against American ships with "tomahawks" therefore "Moskva" was in an increased BG.

              Do you really think that the Americans, in a military conflict, would have driven destroyers and cruisers into the Black Sea? Well, well ... I wonder how long they could stay afloat ...
              1. wk
                wk 16 July 2015 17: 02
                -13
                Quote: NEXUS
                Do you really think that the Americans, in a military conflict, would have driven destroyers and cruisers into the Black Sea? Well, well ... I wonder how long they could stay afloat ...

                not only American .... yet, at least Turkish ... maybe the British and the French pulled themselves up .... mosquito fleets of Romanians and Bulgarians do not take into account ....
                I have one conclusion ... without the use of nuclear weapons at least tactical, not Crimea, not the Caucasus in the event of a conflict can not be held!
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 16 July 2015 17: 08
                  +7
                  Quote: wk
                  I have one conclusion ... without the use of nuclear weapons at least tactical, not Crimea, not the Caucasus in the event of a conflict can not be held!

                  Well, to begin with, if there is a NATO-Russia conflict (military), then by default it will already be using nuclear weapons. And there will already be no difference between Crimea, the Caucasus or the village of Psaki (which really exists). And about the Turks, British and so on, then I'm sorry, but if we have Caliber not put on barges, (and not the fact that they will be without YABCH), then I think the same Turks will say to the Amers, go and fight yourself. And the British .. .so they’ll think three times on the way, but do they need it?
                2. hrych
                  hrych 16 July 2015 21: 32
                  +6
                  Colleague, we will probably not see an exclusively naval battle, the Black Sea itself is small and aviation can easily cope with challenges, even hypothetically in the absence of our fleet at all. To seize the Crimea and the Caucasian coast, the adversary needs to carry out amphibious operations with a huge landing of marines and equipment on the coast, which with modern means of coastal defense, again aviation, etc., is simply impossible and there is no need to use nuclear weapons. NATO offensive by dry route from the side of the alliance member Turkey through Georgia is simply impossible again, because after 2008 we control the Caucasian ridge and the hole in it - the Roki tunnel, and this fortress with walls several thousand meters high and on this wall we are sitting (in this was the essence of that battle, i.e. who will control this wall). The ships of the Black Sea Fleet's far sea zone, led by "Moscow", should initially confront the enemy in the Mediterranean Sea, where they often have meetings with the AUG and other enemy forces. What enters the Black Sea and what floats there among neighbors, I repeat, is neutralized by other means.
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 16 July 2015 21: 50
                    +3
                    Quote: hrych
                    . That which enters the Black Sea and that its neighbors swim, I repeat, is neutralized by other means.

                    A colleague, but I’m not talking about the same thing? It is clear that no one will go to a military conflict due to the presence of YNXX and the means of delivery of part of it. But the question was not so.
                    It discusses the need for the Moscow cruiser in the Russian Sea. And with today's Crimea, as a natural unsinkable AUG, I consider Moscow’s presence in the Black Sea to be excessive.
                    Sincerely. hi
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 16 July 2015 22: 06
                      +2
                      But after all, he needs to be based somewhere and rest for the crew (preferably in July and preferably in the Crimea), and after rest and "refueling" to work in Middle-earth and the Atlantic. drinks
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 16 July 2015 22: 21
                        +3
                        Quote: hrych
                        But after all, he needs to be based somewhere and rest for the crew (preferably in July and preferably in the Crimea), and after rest and "refueling" to work in Middle-earth and the Atlantic. drinks

                        And why not in the Mediterranean Sea, for example, somewhere in Cyprus?
                        Or on the Pacific Fleet? hi
                      2. hrych
                        hrych 16 July 2015 22: 25
                        +2
                        Pure to refuel and sailors to go to the glove compartment, but with anchor files you need to grind the base more seriously drinks
                      3. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 16 July 2015 22: 31
                        +2
                        Quote: hrych
                        Pure to refuel and sailors to go to the glove compartment, but with anchor files you need to grind the base more seriously drinks

                        So Cyprus can be very equipped and bungalows with barbecue wink
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            2. old man54
              old man54 16 July 2015 23: 26
              +2
              Quote: wk
              but the Black Sea Fleet command doesn’t think so ...

              fellow laughing laughing
              but the General Staff of the Russian Navy thinks so. and by the way, note that the vast majority of forum users also agree with him. wink bully What the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet thinks is their business, they burned down the old "Kerch" last November, but they do not want to write off. they need a ship for status, class 1. wassat Ugh on them, freaks. negative
              The guys wrote right to you above, it’s quite possible for us to defend the Black Sea puddle by the Air Force and DBK, but the Far East + Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands ... There you can’t compare the scale of a potential theater of war with your former lake, the Black Sea, and the fleet, Pacific Fleet, so-so ... However, it is urgent to strengthen.
              Yours faithfully, hi
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      4. lukke
        lukke 16 July 2015 16: 07
        +3
        . In the Black Sea, and so enough strength to drive different guest performers
        with nothing to urinate ... The Black Sea is completely blocked by our coastal anti-ship missile systems, well, you can still drive Dryer so that the pilot does not get bored))) everything is cheaper than driving Moscow ...
        1. Roman 11
          Roman 11 16 July 2015 16: 29
          -5
          Quote: lukke
          Well, you can still drive Dry

          This is dangerous, planes are falling. The cruiser’s strike system is morally obsolete, the cruiser itself is physically aged ....... no need to deceive yourself, you need to really look at the facts.
          1. lukke
            lukke 16 July 2015 17: 10
            +3
            This is dangerous, planes are falling. The cruiser strike complex is morally obsolete
            If planes crash, I suggest sitting at home and closing flight schools as a dangerous and alien element of our aircraft. About Moscow, what I wrote, read carefully again, if ... from birth. And then, like in a fairy tale - a quote about Ivan, and a comment about a doodle
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        2. wk
          wk 16 July 2015 16: 32
          -9
          Quote: lukke
          The Black Sea is completely blocked by our coastal anti-ship missile systems,

          more in detail with the given performance characteristics (most importantly in range) .... compare with the performance characteristics of the range of American sea-based cruise missiles .... and don’t look at Kiselyov on Saturdays, take care of MOSG! ... better than Pushkov, listen to him on Saturdays too .. It’s true that you need to think to listen to him!
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 16 July 2015 16: 43
            +7
            Quote: wk
            . Compare with the TTX range of the American sea-based cruise missiles ....

            But tell me, from ONYKS Moscow to whom to shoot in the Black Sea? For small ships? And for cruise missiles, do we have them, then what? There are no idiots to drive ships to certain death. Now Kuki and others like that they come in, maybe there is no real military action. How long would the same Cook have lived in a military conflict, while in the Black Sea, can you say?
            1. wk
              wk 16 July 2015 17: 06
              -2
              Quote: NEXUS
              For small ships?

              in the war 08 08 08 Georgian boats were destroyed from the cruiser "Moskva" ...., as one French marshal said .... God is always on the side of the big battalions!
              1. sir_obs
                sir_obs 16 July 2015 17: 10
                +8
                They only hit an anti-aircraft missile, and not a gohav complex, and not Moscow was shooting
                1. wk
                  wk 16 July 2015 18: 24
                  -3
                  Quote: sir_obs
                  They only hit an anti-aircraft missile, and not a gohav complex, and not Moscow was shooting

                  hit from a protected ship, not from a kamikaze boat
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                3. Rostov Papa
                  Rostov Papa 16 July 2015 20: 57
                  +3
                  Just hit an anti-aircraft missile, and not a goav complex
                  A total of 9 ships were destroyed.
                  In the sea:
                  "Gantiadi" - 2 anti-ship missiles P-120 "Malachite" (It was originally taken for "Tbilissi",
                  a large mark on the radar), the Mirage MRK was sunk.
                  "Dountless 01" - "Osam" August 10, morning, MPK "Suzdalets".
                  "Yaroslavets" MGK 82 - "Osam" with MRK "Mirage"
                  On the shore
                  Former German minesweeper, Orbi
                  "Neck" R-204
                  "Tbilissi"
                  "Dioscuria"
                  "Neck" onboard 101
                  "Stork" R -205
                  On August 12, sabotage groups blew up all the surviving Georgian ships - six ..
                  They didn’t meet the resistance, however, they didn’t meet anyone at all - the port was quiet and empty. Two days later, Shamanov’s troops took the last Turkish boat (17 patrol boats in total) and the property of the Georgian Navy.
                  Most of the sunken ships of the Georgian Navy are at the bottom of the pier.

                  Read more here
                  http://www.proza.ru/2009/04/02/963
              2. NEXUS
                NEXUS 16 July 2015 17: 13
                +8
                Quote: wk
                in the war 08 08 08 Georgian boats were destroyed from the cruiser "Moskva" ...

                And what were they destroyed from? From the main caliber? It's like sending a tank to disperse a demonstration. And about the 2008 year ... so in the 2008 year we didn’t have Crimea and the Bastions with Balls and C-400 didn’t stand in Crimea .
                1. wk
                  wk 16 July 2015 17: 19
                  -6
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  It’s like sending a tank to disperse a demonstration.

                  depending on what kind of demonstration .... if Yanukovych sent a company of tanks to the Maidan, as EBN did in 1993, a very effective racer would have turned out.
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 16 July 2015 17: 25
                    +3
                    Quote: wk
                    depending on what kind of demonstration .... if Yanukovych sent a company of tanks to the Maidan, as EBN did in 1993, a very effective racer would have turned out.

                    Well, yes, and fucking from the main caliber of the demonstrators .... Although why a tank? Fine, then immediately drive a Tornado-S and fuck it .... here is the acceleration of the Georgian Black Sea Fleet by the cruiser Moscow as part of 2,5 boats from the same song.
                    1. wk
                      wk 16 July 2015 17: 42
                      -6
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      .... here is the acceleration by the cruiser Moscow of the Georgian Black Sea Fleet consisting of 2,5 boats - this is from the same song.

                      that is, do you think that victory in any case should be paid for with the blood of the winner, and the fact that obviously more powerful forces were sent is bad ... Victory in a war without a magnificent funeral of Heroes is not a right Victory for you? ... To understand you?
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 16 July 2015 17: 51
                        +6
                        Quote: wk
                        Victory in a war without a magnificent funeral of Heroes is not a right Victory for you? ... understand you?

                        In order to calm down the Georgians, a couple of three corvettes were enough. What does the heroine’s funeral mean? What are you talking about? Or did the Georgians once have a strong fleet?
                        A man goes hunting, ducks to shoot, he must take Verba, so as not to waste nerves and strength?
                        I repeat, the Cruiser Moscow, taking into account the current realities for the Black Sea Fleet, is redundant. In the 8th year, we did not have Crimea, so Moscow was kept there.
                      2. wk
                        wk 16 July 2015 18: 10
                        -4
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        A man goes hunting, ducks to shoot, he must take Verba, so as not to waste nerves and strength?

                        anyway, a wolf in a forest or a bear can take the shakans!
                      3. Vladimirets
                        Vladimirets 16 July 2015 18: 57
                        0
                        Quote: wk
                        still takes the shakans

                        What does it take? belay
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                2. Roman 11
                  Roman 11 16 July 2015 18: 11
                  0
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  And about 2008 ... so in the 2008th year we didn’t have Crimea and the Bastions with Balls and S-400 in the Crimea did not stand.

                  Hmm, Crimea is a fortress right now, it is unlikely that anyone will argue, much less risk it ........ That's when the fleet still announced will appear, then there will be tin. But it takes time and, as always, denyuzhki.
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 16 July 2015 19: 48
                    +3
                    Quote: Novel 11

                    Hmm, Crimea is a fortress right now, it is unlikely that anyone will argue, much less risk it ........ That's when the fleet still announced will appear, then there will be tin. But it takes time and, as always, denyuzhki.

                    If you look honestly, what is Crimea? Crimea is the most armed and unsinkable AUG in the world. Here and the security, and security and cover and air wing in one bottle. And it will only increase. And Moscow Black Sea Fleet at this a moment of time, with its main caliber, given this, is simply not needed. Black Sea Fleets need corvettes, small ships and destroyers of not too large displacement (The destroyer Shkval or Leader being developed is also too redundant for the Black Sea Fleet). Something simpler, but well armed.
              3. Roman 11
                Roman 11 16 July 2015 18: 00
                0
                Quote: wk
                Georgian boats were destroyed from the cruiser Moskva .... as one French marshal said ....

                The one, the only one saved? ....... Lucky lucky, also managed to measure the trajectory)))))))
              4. Andrey Yuryevich
                Andrey Yuryevich 16 July 2015 19: 21
                +1
                Quote: wk
                Quote: NEXUS
                For small ships?

                in the war 08 08 08 Georgian boats were destroyed from the cruiser Moskva".... as one French marshal said .... God is always on the side of the big battalions!
                from the boat "MIRAGE".
            2. Roman 11
              Roman 11 16 July 2015 17: 56
              +2
              Quote: NEXUS
              Moscow from ONYX for whom to shoot in the Black Sea?

              Do not confuse? From Basalt? Or changed quietly?
            3. Marconi41
              Marconi41 17 July 2015 00: 06
              +2
              Quote: NEXUS
              But tell me, Moscow from ONYX on whom to shoot it in the Black Sea?

              Something I missed. But are Onyxes standing in Moscow? There were Volcanoes. Explain plz. I probably lagged behind the development of the Black Sea Fleet.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 17 July 2015 00: 17
                +3
                Quote: Marconi41
                Something I missed. But are Onyxes standing in Moscow? There were Volcanoes. Explain plz. I probably lagged behind the development of the Black Sea Fleet.

                There was infa that the Onyxes were installed already, or were about to install ... not the point ... anyway, in the Black Sea, Moscow has nothing to do with such a caliber. But it seems they have already installed the Onyxes. Although I did not check the Old.
                Sincerely. hi
                1. old man54
                  old man54 17 July 2015 02: 34
                  +2
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  There was infa that the ONYXs were installed already, or were going to put ... not the point ... in

                  yes no, the essence! It was infa that even on the "Marshal Ustinov", which is on the capital and modernized on the Star, the main shock complex will not change !!!! And here, at the VO, "manually", by the forces of the naval base Sevastopol on the RC "Moscow" have all P-1000 changed for Onyx? wassat Bullshit and OBS! If they will change (which is very unlikely), then this ONLY ON CAPITLACbecause there the scope of work rolls out hoo what!
                  With respect hi
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 17 July 2015 07: 45
                    +1
                    Quote: old man54
                    If they will change (which is very unlikely), then this is ONLY in CAPITLAC, because there the scope of work rolls out hoo what!

                    So the repair was planned by Moscow. But I won’t argue about the Onyxes on the cruiser, I didn’t check the info.
                    Best regards hi
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          3. lukke
            lukke 16 July 2015 17: 06
            -2
            more details with the given performance characteristics (most importantly in range) ....
            smart are you a fan of the Postscript who listens and still thinks (Caesar smokes on the sidelines): Yakhont / Onyx firing range up to 300 km. (I'm sure fifty dollars in reserve as a surprise is laid yet) - the distance controlling 200 miles of the economic zone of the state. Nobody forbids us to drive these cars (similar to Balls with an x-35 missile) along the entire coast of Crimea and SevKavkaz. This is offhand.
            1. wk
              wk 16 July 2015 17: 37
              -3
              Quote: lukke
              (Caesar smokes on the sidelines):

              which one?
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            3. Roman 11
              Roman 11 16 July 2015 18: 18
              0
              Quote: lukke
              Onyx firing range up to 300 km. (I'm sure fifty dollars in stock as a surprise laid yet)

              This is officially stated. No one will say about range. Is it really true that Onyxes were installed on the cruiser ??
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              2. lukke
                lukke 16 July 2015 18: 33
                0
                Is it really true that Onyxes were installed on the cruiser ??
                I wrote somewhere that they were installed there ?!
          4. sir_obs
            sir_obs 16 July 2015 17: 23
            +1
            Tomahawk is a subsonic missile; it cannot actively maneuver; it simply falls apart due to overloads. Intercepted air defense with a very high probability. Good against the natives who have no air defense and electronic warfare equipment. Promoted accuracy, in fact far from being realized.
            In addition, when Russia spoke out about deliveries to Iran of not the most advanced 300 systems, the Americans began to talk not about tomahawks, but about their invisible planes. Because the tomahawks will simply knock down.
          5. hrych
            hrych 16 July 2015 21: 56
            +2
            Quote: wk
            more in detail with the given performance characteristics (most importantly in range) .... compare with the performance characteristics of the firing range of American sea-based cruise missiles

            The greatest length of the Black Sea from north to south is 580 km. RCC "Onyx" Range:
            along the high-altitude trajectory - 450-500 km, along the combined trajectory (the length of the final section is 40 km) - up to 300 km, along the low-altitude trajectory - 120 km. The Kalibr anti-ship missile with a range of 300 km, etc. Taking into account the Crimea, the water area is fully fired by anti-ship missiles. The anti-ship missiles themselves over 300-500 km against the fleet are ineffective, because the fleet is mobile and there are problems with target designation. Tamaghawks (sea-based) with a range of 1,5 thousand km (allegedly up to 2,5, which is doubtful) are intended for strikes against stationary objects, however, the missile is subsonic at a speed of 800 km / h, and it will fly 1,6 thousand km. .. belay 2 hours, the rocket is easily knocked down by almost all our air defense systems, including interceptor fighters, the target is low-flying, with a speed slightly more than Messerschmitt during Goering's time ... "flying at a speed of Mach 2,6 (3100 km / h).
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        4. Reducer
          Reducer 17 July 2015 08: 34
          0
          1.Can you confirm the presence in the troops of ground complexes with anti-ship missiles that completely cover the Black Sea?
          2. Ameri does not have to go to the World Cup with a range of Tamogavka.
      5. Nick
        Nick 16 July 2015 23: 16
        0
        Quote: sir_obs
        What should he do in this arc? This is a ship of the far ocean zone, which American aircraft carriers should keep in charge, in the Atlantic and in Gibraltar. In the Black Sea, there are enough forces to drive different guest performers.

        That's right, even from the shore. The bastion rules ...
        1. wk
          wk 17 July 2015 00: 03
          +2
          Quote: Nick
          That's right, even from the shore. The bastion rules ...

          illiteracy and irresponsibility of comments in the past year on VO!
          1. Reducer
            Reducer 17 July 2015 14: 56
            +2
            Absolutely right
    3. Tatanka Yotanka
      Tatanka Yotanka 16 July 2015 16: 06
      +5
      the ship is big, its task is to go hiking in order to improve its military, tactical and all kinds of preparations, the defense of the Black Sea did not close on it, but what if it gets up for repairs? there are bastions, balls, naval aviation, mrk, samum, bora, etc. etc., by your analogy, soldiers should sit in barracks and not go far
      1. Roman 11
        Roman 11 16 July 2015 16: 37
        -6
        Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
        by your analogy, soldiers should sit in barracks and not go far

        Not so - soldiers should improve their skills by testing for durability of battered shoes, worn out weapons, dilapidated clothes with 1943 helmets on their heads. In general, what will happen in the battle, God forbid .........
    4. mishaia_23
      mishaia_23 16 July 2015 16: 22
      0
      It's just that the missile cruiser Moskva cannot fire missiles in the Black Sea.
      So we went to the Atlantic Ocean to shoot
      1. wk
        wk 16 July 2015 16: 24
        -2
        Quote: mishaia_23
        It's just that the missile cruiser Moskva cannot fire missiles in the Black Sea.

        more in detail about it is impossible? .... do not dream!
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    5. BAIKAL03
      BAIKAL03 16 July 2015 16: 56
      -8
      Interesting and who puts pluses to this snotty?
    6. old man54
      old man54 16 July 2015 23: 16
      +3
      Quote: wk
      his task is always to be in the Black Sea

      you "-" from me! It’s just in a puddle called the Black Sea that the missile strike cruiser of pr. 1164 doesn’t need to do anything, especially since we do not control the entrance straits of the World Cup. which means in case of war, anyone, Turkey has the right to block the straits. At the World Cup zaglaza, as the flagship of the KCHF, there will be enough EM pr.956 (for example) KR "Moscow" after overhaul and modernization at Zvezdochka in Severodvinsk will no longer return to the World Cup, will go to KTOF, the decision has already been made and personally I find it very correct!
      Yours faithfully, hi
  3. VP
    VP 16 July 2015 15: 47
    +3
    Who was the target? Iowa?
    1. Roman 11
      Roman 11 16 July 2015 16: 42
      -1
      Quote: VP
      Who was the target? Iowa?

      Do you think that the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet is able to fight only with museum exhibits? Here we will hold the 2018 World Cup, modernize with modern facilities.
  4. Bronik
    Bronik 16 July 2015 15: 50
    +6
    Gunpowder must be dry and must be checked regularly. Navigation in the Atlantic is also useful.
  5. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 16 July 2015 15: 56
    +2
    We must shoot! Especially after the Yeltsin era, Serdyukovism is also "enemies". "Who shoots little, shoots badly" (c). Axiom. Now at least kerosene for aviation flights was found and diesel fuel for the Ships! KEEP IT UP!
    1. Roman 11
      Roman 11 16 July 2015 16: 43
      -5
      Quote: chelovektapok
      Now at least kerosene for aviation

      No matter how you destroy aviation during exercises!
  6. Valter1364
    Valter1364 16 July 2015 15: 58
    +14
    Had to be in those parts! smile
    I even found some of the entries:

    Memories
    The internal raid of the port of Luanda, the capital of Angola in Soviet times inspired respect. In the raid at the same time it was possible to see hundreds of ships under our flag. A floating dock from Kerch was also based here for lifting and repairing ships. At the moorings were the ships of the Navy of the USSR. On the KFOR (medium landing ship) were placed parts of the marine corps. The country was not calm then.
    On the way from the airport, our buses came under automatic fire. Shot naturally not for us. It happened almost in the center of the capital, someone ran away, someone chased after someone, while pouring lead all around with automatic weapons. None of us was hurt, but upon arrival at the port, we counted five holes in the bus.
    When boarding a boat waiting for us, he noticed that several pairs of human heels hanging on ropes protruded very close to the water. Later it turned out that these unfortunate, executed rebels.
    Arrived on board, looked around. We learned that two trawlers were recently blown up in a mine raid. On the very first night, lying on a bed in a cabin, I heard measured underwater explosions near the side. It was our military commanders, or rather a detachment to combat the enemy’s underwater sabotage forces.
    Luanda was considered a strategically important base regional port in the system of a huge empire called the Ministry of Fisheries of the USSR. There were a lot of such ports, Dakar, Aden, Lima, etc. And this did not surprise anyone, since the Soviet fishing fleet was one of the largest in the world.
    Many believe that the seas and oceans are huge. On the one hand, this is so, and on the other hand, when you go out onto the wing of a bridge at night in a fishery in the SEA (southeastern Atlantic Ocean), you can observe an amazing picture. Above you are a myriad of stars, and around the horizon, hundreds, and sometimes thousands of navigational lights. Someone runs into a trawl, someone goes with a trawl, fishing bases drift nearby or follow a small course, to which overfilled trawlers sell fish products, at the same time taking corrugated packaging for packing unreached fish. Someone is bunkering a tanker, driving on a bakshtov. Nearby are scouring science vessels in search of new fish schools. Fishing lives its own life, and a very international life. Whoever you can’t meet here, ships from Cuba, Bulgaria, Spain, Japan ... The air does not stop for a minute. The fishing council in radiotelephony mode is replaced by weather reports, processing of official, private correspondence, telephone conversations, and after a while everything is repeated again ...
    1. lukke
      lukke 16 July 2015 18: 43
      0
      The internal raid of the port of Luanda, the capital of Angola in Soviet times inspired respect. In the raid at the same time it was possible to see hundreds of ships under our flag. A floating dock from Kerch was also based here.
      We need to ask the uncle (he flew there repeatedly on business trips for six months) their Sevastopol team was engaged in screw work)
  7. DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 16 July 2015 16: 24
    -1
    Quote: wk
    Do you sincerely believe that a physically and morally obsolete cruiser in the amount of one unit keeps American aircraft carriers in tension?)))


    Undoubtedly. The main weapon that he carries. A killer of an aircraft carrier group may be a group of container ships in which cruise missiles are hidden. We have such weapons. Cruise supersonic missiles - a thunderstorm of aircraft carrier groups and an asymmetric strike. A cruise missile costs a million bucks, and an aircraft carrier costs a billion.
    The exercises were held that the aircraft carrier is sometimes defenseless against boats. Therefore, a bunch of small ships with missiles is better than one large aircraft carrier. And the submarine is even better. Surfaced banged and withdrew under water.
  8. DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 16 July 2015 16: 46
    +2
    The firing range of the Moscow RCC is almost completely covered by the World Cup.

    http://wartools.ru/kreysera-russia/kreyser-moskva

    Who can remember that when Moscow went to the coast of Syria, the Americans retreated to a respectful distance.
  9. YaMZ-238
    YaMZ-238 16 July 2015 17: 21
    +1
    Let him shoot more often so that overseas "friends" do not relax ...
  10. strannik1985
    strannik1985 16 July 2015 17: 25
    +3
    Quote: Good AAAH
    Cruise supersonic missiles - a thunderstorm of aircraft carrier groups and an asymmetric strike. A cruise missile costs a million bucks, and an aircraft carrier costs a billion.
    The exercises were held that the aircraft carrier is sometimes defenseless against boats. Therefore, a bunch of small ships with missiles is better than one large aircraft carrier. And the submarine is even better. Surfaced banged and withdrew under water.

    Yeah, only according to the 80s standard, for the AUG attack, 100-120 PKR-2 Tu-22M3 regiment (30 cars), Mig-31 regiment (30 cars), Su-27 regiment (30 cars) were needed, 10-15 EW and RER airplanes - 130-135 vehicles in total + 2 pl. pr.949 (there was an option without Pl) + SMRKTS and / or Tu-95RTs (satellite service life 1,5 years). For gaining dominance in the sea, these forces are not suitable, for a major war, and only if there is a relatively long threatening period, it is real only in the military service mode).
    And where is the original million?
    1. sir_obs
      sir_obs 16 July 2015 17: 58
      +1
      According to the assessment of the General Staff Building, a salvo of 32 missiles is enough to guarantee incapacitation of an aircraft carrier. At the same time, it is not necessary to drown him, it is enough that he cannot raise, plant aviation
    2. sir_obs
      sir_obs 16 July 2015 18: 15
      +3
      Recently, the French, in March, held exercises with the Merikos. Here is a translation from the French press:

      At the second stage of the exercises, Saphir was integrated with the enemy forces and its task was to find the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt and the ships accompanying him and prepare an attack on the attack group.

      While the fictitious political situation worsened, Saphir quietly slipped into the heart of the protective shield of an aircraft carrier worth several billion dollars, avoiding detection by anti-submarine weapons.

      On the morning of the last day, finally, an order was received to attack, which allowed the French submarine to mock sunk the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt and most of his escort.



      Although we don’t know many details about the attack and its outcome or the rules for participating in the scenario, imitation of the sinking of an American aircraft carrier proves that underwater defense is not impenetrable.



      So, that is not so simple. The Americans so far are fighting only with the natives and have never faced a real threat at sea.

      In Hollywood crafts, yes, they are extremely cool, but how will it be in reality?
  11. DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 16 July 2015 18: 19
    0
    Quote: strannik1985
    Quote: Good AAAH
    Cruise supersonic missiles - a thunderstorm of aircraft carrier groups and an asymmetric strike. A cruise missile costs a million bucks, and an aircraft carrier costs a billion.
    The exercises were held that the aircraft carrier is sometimes defenseless against boats. Therefore, a bunch of small ships with missiles is better than one large aircraft carrier. And the submarine is even better. Surfaced banged and withdrew under water.

    Yeah, only according to the 80s standard, for the AUG attack, 100-120 PKR-2 Tu-22M3 regiment (30 cars), Mig-31 regiment (30 cars), Su-27 regiment (30 cars) were needed, 10-15 EW and RER airplanes - 130-135 vehicles in total + 2 pl. pr.949 (there was an option without Pl) + SMRKTS and / or Tu-95RTs (satellite service life 1,5 years). For gaining dominance in the sea, these forces are not suitable, for a major war, and only if there is a relatively long threatening period, it is real only in the military service mode).
    And where is the original million?


    Where such standards are deducted. Link?
    Only reference to this document, not fiction.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 16 July 2015 18: 54
      0
      Where such standards are deducted. Link?
      Only reference to this document, not fiction. ,,
      but weak yourself? or don’t know how to use tyrnet?
  12. DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 16 July 2015 18: 27
    0
    I am interested in how and with what they will shoot down our anti-ship missiles 3,5 M, which will appear next to -5 m water? Calculate the visibility range and the time it takes to approach the aircraft carrier? Maybe it's time to jump overboard? (Climb into planes, take off and will be rockets bullet, do not offer)

    Operations for the destruction of the AUG were practiced by the Soviet Navy. In the 1985 year, the 7-I anti-aircraft submarine division was formed, consisting of two tactical groups. In each group there were 2 nuclear submarines of the 949A project and 1 nuclear submarines of the 671 RTM Pike project. The latter was designed to perform the functions of AUG detection. In order to develop a methodology for combating AUG in the Barents Sea, exercises were conducted with missile firing at a target field. The battle formation of the tactical group was as follows. The "Pike" was advanced into the forward guard at 20-40 km with the task of detecting the enemy of the Skat SJSC. Behind her, the front ranks of the 2 Antey submarines. According to the results of the exercises, the composition of the tactical group was adjusted. To ensure the actions of the group, a reconnaissance-air curtain was formed as part of three nuclear submarines of the 705 or 671 RTM projects.

    Source: http://www.modernarmy.ru/article/73 © "Modern Army" portal
    1. kote119
      kote119 17 July 2015 22: 59
      0
      the portal lied to you from three boxes. 7 dpl was never anti-aircraft.
  13. DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 16 July 2015 18: 50
    0
    Yes, even these standards, if boats and an attack are detected, and if not, i.e. quickly surfaced and beat at a tip from an airplane or satellite, then the rule comes in, the attack was not detected, since the anti-ship missiles spread over the water, and when discovered, jump overboard.
    With an air attack, more funds will be needed, but modern electronic warfare equipment comes into operation here.
  14. strannik1985
    strannik1985 16 July 2015 19: 39
    0
    [quote = GoodAAH] [quote = strannik1985] [quote = GoodAAX]
    Where such standards are deducted. Link?
    Only reference to this document, not fiction. [/ Quote]
    Website VIF-2 NE Someone Exeter.
  15. stapler 2
    stapler 2 16 July 2015 19: 49
    +1
    Quote: wk
    seriously, there’s nothing for him to do in the Atlantic.


    hmm ..., the Russian fleet for the past 15 years does not go without tugboats or floating workshops ...
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 16 July 2015 20: 00
      +1
      Quote: stappler 2
      For the past 15 years, the Russian fleet has not gone on long trips without tugboats or floating workshops ...

      - a source of information?
      - the names of tugboats, floating workshops, when and where did they go?
      - and - the main thing - is it good or bad? From your scream it’s unclear ..

      hi

      PS: funny .. I wonder who will take the same Moscow to tow .. laughing
  16. strannik1985
    strannik1985 16 July 2015 19: 50
    +1
    Quote: Good AAAH
    Yes, even these standards, if boats and an attack are detected, and if not, i.e. quickly surfaced and beat at a tip from an airplane or satellite, then the rule comes in, the attack was not detected, since the anti-ship missiles spread over the water, and when discovered, jump overboard.
    With an air attack, more funds will be needed, but modern electronic warfare equipment comes into operation here.

    Ocean-75 exercises, large convoy guidance with an accuracy of 67-136 miles (the cost of one serial US-A is more than 50 million rubles, the service life is 1,5 years, only 29 units in 24 (1965-1989) years) .
    Who will let the Tu-95RC success system in the air hang out during wartime?
    Range GAS pr.949-120 km-operational speed AUG-25 ​​knots, at low speed the boat just does not have time, in full it will be heard across half the ocean.
    So it turns out that the best control center is for AUG NK, and in wartime for the control center the entire economy needs its own AWACS aircraft, which necessitated the construction of the Ulyanovsk AV.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 16 July 2015 19: 55
      +1
      Quote: strannik1985
      , which necessitated the construction of AV "Ulyanovsk".

      Which in the shipyards, already built by the whole country, was cut into needles, Judah.
  17. egor1712
    egor1712 16 July 2015 22: 33
    +1

    The cruiser Moskva enters the Atlantic Ocean in order to launch the Vulcan P-1000 anti-ship missiles. The object is to be located at a distance of 10000 km. That's all, as well as a demonstration of the flag. soldier
  18. Old26
    Old26 17 July 2015 06: 56
    +1
    Quote: jjj
    The Black Sea Fleet base appears in Angola? In any case, the fleet began to visit the west coast of Africa

    There is no base there and is hardly planned. And there were always approaches, especially in the 70-80s. It’s just that in the 90s it’s all just ... if there wasn’t any possibility, now they are slowly starting to practice what it was 30-40 years ago

    Quote: egor1712
    The cruiser Moskva enters the Atlantic Ocean in order to launch the Vulcan P-1000 anti-ship missiles. The object is to be located at a distance of 10000 km. That's all, as well as a demonstration of the flag.

    "Cut the sturgeon" laughing Excess toe

    Quote: oleg-gr
    The cruiser "Moscow" fired missiles in the Atlantic. And why is it not reported about the quantitative losses of the American Navy? Between the lines it reads ... Or fantasy?

    Exclusively your imagination. For then the cruiser and TFR would simply cease to exist ...

    Quote: wk
    but the command of the Black Sea Fleet does not think so .... in the dock film "Crimea - Return to the Homeland" it was clearly stated that the range of the "bastions" was insufficient against American ships with "tomahawks" therefore "Moskva" was in an increased BG.

    The range of "Bastions" is really insufficient, but "Moscow" will not be able to do anything there without external target designation. And comrade NEXUS is right, who wrote
    Quote: NEXUS
    Do you really think that the Americans, in a military conflict, would have driven destroyers and cruisers into the Black Sea?


    Quote: lukke
    The Black Sea is completely blocked by our coastal anti-ship missile systems

    Not completely overlapping

    Quote: NEXUS
    There was infa that the Onyxes were installed already, or were about to install ... not the point ... anyway, in the Black Sea, Moscow has nothing to do with such a caliber. But it seems they have already installed the Onyxes. Although I did not check the Old.

    There was infa that the main caliber of these cruisers will be replaced during scheduled repairs. In Moscow, they did not change it, but on Marshal Ustinov, which is now under repair, it could very well be ...

    Quote: Good AAAH
    I am interested in how and with what they will shoot down our anti-ship missiles 3,5 M, which will appear next to the water -5m

    But nothing, since this is impossible in principle. the maximum speeds of our CRs are about 2,5, well, a maximum of 2,9M at altitudes of about 14 kilometers. At low altitudes, about 100-150 meters of speed is already about 2M. The only exception is the 3M54 anti-ship missile with a supersonic stage, which has a speed of about 2,9M, but a range of 20 km and a height of not 5 meters. At five meters, subsonic, but not supersonic, can still go, especially at an unrealistic speed of 3,5M
  19. Old26
    Old26 17 July 2015 23: 31
    +1
    Quote: hrych
    Range: along a high-altitude trajectory - 450-500 km, along a combined trajectory (the length of the final section is 40 km) - up to 300 km, along a low-altitude trajectory - 120 km.

    Where are the woods about 500 km range?
    1. hrych
      hrych 18 July 2015 10: 05
      +1
      If only here
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Оникс_(противокорабельная_ракета)
  20. Old26
    Old26 19 July 2015 10: 50
    +1
    Quote: hrych
    If only here https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onix_ (anti-ship
    rocket)

    Although Wiki is a fairly mobile help resource, it’s also impossible to blindly believe the information posted there.
    Especially with regard to this range, the source footnote is unknown. Nevertheless, it is better to use resources that have proven themselves to be more reliable and reliable in relation to performance characteristics. And the site of the manufacturer gives a range of 300 km