Japan will acquire five American Osprey for 332 million dollars

The Japanese authorities agreed to spend $ 332,5 million (41 billion yen) to buy five convertible planes V-22 Osprey from the USA, TASS Reuters message.

The publication notes that this is the first transaction for the sale of convertible plans outside the United States.

In total, in the foreseeable future, the Japanese intend to acquire 17 Osprey plus 40 engines for them. The total value of contracts for this transaction could reach $ 3 billion.

Now on the territory of Japan are 24 "Osprey" belonging to the American military based here.

TASS Help: “Osprey, with the help of variable-angle rotors, is capable of flying in both helicopter and airplane mode. In addition to a crew of three, it can carry an 24 paratrooper. The practical flight range without refueling is more than 2,6 thousand km. ”

Comments

[2sila]

A little American fall? It is necessary that their fell?

[Baikonur]

By the way, according to the characteristics - cooler than a helicopter and almost an airplane! I think we should also pay attention to such a scheme! Especially for the Navy and the Ministry of Emergencies!

[jjj]

But, as it turned out, the apparatus is of a narrow scope: neither a plane, nor a helicopter

[Yuri from Volgograd]

Quote: jjj

But, as it turned out, the apparatus is of a narrow scope: neither a plane, nor a helicopter

That’s all in vain say that.
3/14ndos created a really interesting transport.
Excellent performance characteristics, both in capacity and speed. They are capable of solving such tasks that neither a plane nor a helicopter will fulfill.
It is likely that in the future, at the next level of those developments, much more will be spread.
So I ask you not to throw your hats, but to think the same for us.
Z.Y. By the way, really fucking expensive!

[gjv]

Quote: Yuri from Volgograd

I ask you not to throw your hats, but for a similar one we think.

Even in 1972, domestic design bureau thought about So.

Mi-30 - a project of the Soviet multi-purpose tiltrotor, developed by the cost center. M.L. Mile under the direction of M.N. Tishchenko in 1972.

Inside the design bureau, this design scheme had its own name "propeller". The main task was to ensure such parameters of speed and flight range that would exceed the similar parameters of helicopters. The Mi-30 tiltrotor was considered as a replacement for the Mi-8 multipurpose helicopter in the future. As the power plant, it was supposed to use two TV3-117 engines located above the cargo compartment, which were supposed to actuate by means of a transmission two main rotors with a diameter of 11 m each. The estimated flight speed was to be 500 - 600 km / h, flight range - 800 km, take-off weight - 10,6 tons. The Mi-30 in the original design was intended for passenger and freight transportation of 19 passengers or 2 tons of cargo. Subsequently, the carrying capacity was increased to 3-5 tons, and passenger capacity up to 32 people.

However, the American flew in 1989, and our Mi-30 remained on paper. Why ?

[sub307]

And this is not the only case when in our country they invent, but bring them to their senses and apply them in practice "over the hill", more often in the USA. In general: "Hello, the country of heroes, the country of dreamers, the country of scientists ...", and further, according to the text.

[jjj]

Takes off like an airplane from a concrete runway. Sits down like this. But the propellers must be kept at a precise angle and land on the ideal glide path. And with gusts of wind or sideways? And he will take off from the dune like a helicopter. In real practice, not on display. Will he sit in the mountains? This is it

[lopvlad]

Look at the appearance and understand that if one of the engines stalls or is beaten up, the device is not a tenant. There will simply be a bunch of debris on the ground.
They love amerikosy horseradish futuristic from the excess of dough to rivet. Summer performance characteristics are good, but in a real battle this miracle is not a tenant.

but for the same we have to think.

when the money has nowhere to go then we’ll think. In the meantime, even with the Americans, it’s a thing in infancy and soon it will begin to have childhood illnesses.

[Yuri from Volgograd]

Quote: lopvlad

Look at the appearance and understand that if one of the engines stalls

Well, no, the Chukchi do not do cancer, does not step on the rake twice.
They have a system of shafts there, if one engine stalls, then from the second the torque goes to both screws, so everything is in order with them.
But if, if they do it, then any flying (and not only) apparatus will most likely turn into "a heap of debris on the ground."
Something like this.

[APASUS]

Quote: Yuri from Volgograd

3/14ndos created a really interesting transport.

A really interesting device, but so complex, expensive and crude in design that it is difficult to call this car a success.

Quote: Yuri from Volgograd

Excellent performance characteristics, both in capacity and speed. They are capable of solving such tasks that neither a plane nor a helicopter will fulfill.

Let’s detail, what such tasks are not subject to helicopters and airplanes?

[Yuri from Volgograd]

Quote: APASUS

Quote: Yuri from Volgograd

3/14ndos created a really interesting transport.

A really interesting device, but so complex, expensive and crude in design that it is difficult to call this car a success.

Quote: Yuri from Volgograd

Excellent performance characteristics, both in capacity and speed. They are capable of solving such tasks that neither a plane nor a helicopter will fulfill.

Let’s detail, what such tasks are not subject to helicopters and airplanes?

The device is innovative, problems are inevitable (the main ones were, in my opinion, with the fuel lines at the wing turning points), but they are solved and the accident rate there is within the bounds of decency.
According to the second point, the envelope has an impressive carrying capacity, almost airspeed and in addition all helicopter skills. Well, in no way can it be completely blocked by either an airplane, or even a helicopter.
There are a lot of materials on the performance characteristics, on impressions and reviews, if you're interested in digging around, everything is in the palm of your hand on the Internet.
In general, a truly advanced device, sorry not ours.
Ours I think they’ll make such a product in 15-20 years, at least as a hurt from experience (if there are grandmas).

[KERTAK]

It costs $ 66,5 million for 1 pc.
this is if you take 50 p. for $ 1, it goes 3,325 billion rubles. for 1 pc.
If I made a mistake correct. It is possible how many Mi 24 to buy
If the Mi 24 costs $ 441? nj pf 'nb 66,5 million $ / 441 thousand $ = 150,79 pcs. helicopters Mi 24

[KERTAK]

Comes out on gold convertiplanes flying
if for the same money you can buy 753 pcs. Mi 24 instead of 5 convertiplanes
I would recommend that the Japanese design and build their helicopters for the money.

[Dazdranagon]

Quote: KERTAK

I would recommend that the Japanese design and build their helicopters for the money.

- who will give them? Their business is silently following the USA pipe! Like most in Europe, however ...

[veksha50]

Quote: Dazdranagon

- who will give them? Their business is silently following the USA pipe! Like most in Europe, however.

The US "pipe" has already puked them about lifting restrictions from their Armed Forces ... There they are, not only are they expanding, but a law has already been passed on the possibility of their use in foreign territories ... You say, they did THIS without the permission of the pipers ?? ?

[Dazdranagon]

Quote: veksha50

Say, THAT they did without permission tellers ???

- Most likely with permission, even probably by order. Americans love to fight with the wrong hands. And Japan is being prepared to counter China. You don’t think that the Japanese will trample against the USA? Although after this I would respect them!

[jjj]

Quote: Dazdranagon

Their business is silently following the USA pipe!

Recall from Gaidai:
- And who does not buy lottery tickets, turn off the hot water

[Yuri from Volgograd]

Quote: KERTAK

I would recommend that the Japanese design and build their helicopters for the money.

And with this money, you can buy ice cream for all the children of the world!
Or you can save many sick people who don’t have money.
Options dofiga, but in someone else's pocket it makes no sense to look. The master, gentleman, as he wants so much a bull and drink.

[aviator1913]

This is where you saw such prices for MI-24? MI-8 for the Ministry of Defense is worth more than 5 million $. And MI-24 is even bigger. YOU already correct arithmetic at home

[U-47]

Quote: KERTAK

If I'm wrong, correct it. How many Mi 24 can you buy If Mi 24 costs 441 thousand. $? nj pf 'nb 66,5 million $ / 441 thousand $ = 150,79 pcs. helicopters Mi 24

Do you offer this to the Japanese? It's funny ...

[Silkway0026]

Yeah, a sickly pindoca vassals for loot bred!

[U-47]

Quote: Silkway0026

Yeah, a sickly pindoca vassals for loot bred!

what's the divorce?

[NordUral]

But, like everything universal, in the end they are inferior to specialized ones. In addition, tiltrotors are very difficult to maintain and capricious due to their design.

[your1970]

Well, actually MI-8 is universal, but sometimes it flew and fought where MI-24 was specialized and did not reach
Therefore, it is not necessary about the universal and specialized .....

[Shick]

Decent price

[jjj]

Friends, you can write a lot of things in the brochures. And to draw conclusions about the effectiveness of advertising TTX is impossible. But without even going into subtleties, you can understand that this unit is inconvenient in maintenance. The second aspect is the synchronism of the swashplate. Third - possible critical vibrations during the flight. That's where the hemorrhoids are.
And in the picture and on the screen everything looks okay. But America had space shuttles. They were presented as the pinnacle of achievement. But now astronauts fly in Soyuz. The States have stealth planes. But their plaque is very modest. Finally, there is "twenty-second" and "thirty-fifth". Well, you've read all about them. Here is this device from the same series.

[WE ARE MAKING]

In vain, MI-26 is better :)

[Maxom75]

tiltrotor speed and range are better.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Maxom75

tiltrotor speed and range are better.

A tiltrotor itself is an incomprehensible animal. And like a helicopter so-so and like an airplane, nothing. We have not grown to such heights in technology to create machines that can equally well combine the functions and properties of several types of machines.

[U-47]

Quote: AGAIN

In vain, MI-26 is better :)

what exactly is "in vain"?

[A-Sim]

"... that night the samurai decided" ... Look how they wind up from behind the sea-okiyana.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: A-Sim

"... that night the samurai decided" ...

And there was still "and the samurai flew to the ground under the pressure of steel and fire".

[U-47]

Quote: Zoldat_A

And there was also "and the samurai flew to the ground under the pressure of steel and fire."

is the tag "Japan" inspired? Is it okay that the article is not about the events of 76 years ago, but about the purchase of convertiplanes?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: U-47

is the tag "Japan" inspired? Is it okay that the article is not about the events of 76 years ago, but about the purchase of convertiplanes?

This was not inspired by the tag "Japan", but by the search query "prisoners of the Japanese". And the topic of Japanese prisoners and "samurai flying on the ground" are directly related to the topic of the article - the question arises - why does Japan, which no one attacks, tiltrotors carrying paratroopers and permission to conduct operations abroad. In my commentary below, a rhetorical question was asked - beyond which border were the Japanese going to conduct operations? Is it for the Russian-Japanese? And the events of 76 years ago are directly related to the Japanese and tiltrotors by the fact that such a picture can become in color, taken on a modern digital camera. To do this, the Japanese should only try to "cross the border by the river."

[U-47]

Quote: Zoldat_A

And the topic of the Japanese prisoners and "samurai flew to the ground" are directly related to the topic of the article - the question arises - why does Japan, which no one attacks, tiltrotors

yes, a direct connection. There is nowhere more direct. What about sushi bars?

Quote: Zoldat_A

what border did the Japanese plan to carry out operations on? Is it not for Russian-Japanese?

Yes, you already drop these fantasies with a landing on the Kuril Islands.

Quote: Zoldat_A

And the events of 76 years ago are directly related to the Japanese and tiltrotors by the fact that such a picture can become color, taken with a modern digital camera. For this, the Japanese should only try to "cross the border by the river."

Magnificent passionate nonsense, with a claim to patriotic calm. Sorry, but where now is our border with them "by the river"? If we are to follow your literalism ...

[meriem1]

Every iron flies something, it falls perfectly. Let be

[although]

As a rule, the Japanese sit quiet for a long time, then invent something, and climb the world to conquer. Then they get cradles and again they sit quietly .... for a long time they were somewhat calm .....

[ALEA IACTA EST]

They want to allow the Armed Forces to participate in operations abroad, they stock up on equipment ... All this is not good.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

They want to allow the Armed Forces to participate in operations abroad, they stock up on equipment ... All this is not good.

I’m interested in asking them all - FOR WHAT exactly the border did they intend to participate in operations? For the Russian-Japanese? Oh well...

[ALEA IACTA EST]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

They want to allow the Armed Forces to participate in operations abroad, they stock up on equipment ... All this is not good.

I’m interested in asking them all - FOR WHAT exactly the border did they intend to participate in operations? For the Russian-Japanese? Oh well...

I would not advise them.

[Yuri from Volgograd]

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

They want to allow the Armed Forces to participate in operations abroad, they stock up on equipment ... All this is not good.

And in my Russian Federation and China, it’s drummed, for good, this Japanese do al not for good.

[U-47]

Quote: Yuri from Volgograd

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

They want to allow the Armed Forces to participate in operations abroad, they stock up on equipment ... All this is not good.

And in my Russian Federation and China, it’s drummed, for good, this Japanese do al not for good.

but in my opinion, it should have been foreseen that Yapes will not be kept on a short leash forever.

[K-50]

Yapps are strange creatures.
They took up arms and received the defeat of the country.
Took to be neutral got developed, one of the strongest economies. But apparently they got bored, they decided to take up arms again.
As the saying goes, "the clever learns from the mistakes of others, only the cancer on his own"
Well, who after this will call yapps smart?

[veksha50]

Quote: K-50

Well, who after this will call yapps smart?

Naturally, the United States ... They just want Russia on all sides to either set fire to, or surround with hot spots ...

[U-47]

Quote: K-50

Well, who after this will call yapps smart?

well, I will. Something, wherever you throw it - everywhere "well-u-stupid". We alone are the bulwark of prudence. Suspiciously somehow.

[RUSIVAN]

Japan, something outlines ...

[ALEA IACTA EST]

In a word: beg for zvizdyul.

[Corsair0304]

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

They want to allow the Armed Forces to participate in operations abroad, they stock up on equipment ... All this is not good.

But on such devices "Osprey" can be based? If so, they are clearly not purchased for rescue operations.

[wk]

yes, it looks like the Japs are seriously preparing for the landing on the Kuril Islands .... but we have a very thin place there .... counted on the "mistral" and with them a bummer .... ten years they scared that we would put c300-400 on the islands, but after empty diplomatic squabbles all in their places .... The Kurils are naked in terms of defense!

[Corsair0304]

How difficult is it to transfer "Bastion" to the Kuril Islands, as it was in the Crimea for a warm welcome of "Donald Cook". Well, the S-300 and S-400 would also do well. In general, as I understand it, the Osprey is a universal delivery vehicle without any special anti-air defense systems. So "Arrows", "Needles" and others like them are welcome.

The performance characteristics of the tiltrotor V-22 "Osprey"

Power plant two turboshaft gas turbine engines T406-AD-400
4586 kW (6150 hp) each
Maximum cruising speed of 185 km/h near the ground in helicopter mode and 582 km/h at optimum altitude in airplane mode
Climb at ground level 707 m/min
Ceiling 7925 m
Static ceiling 4330 m outside ground influence
Practical range
during the landing of amphibious assault 935 km
The mass (estimated) of an empty aircraft is 15032 kg
Maximum takeoff weight 21546 kg for vertical takeoff and 27443 kg for takeoff with a run
Width of aircraft with rotating propellers 25,55 m
The length of the aircraft without PVD 17,47 m
height with gondolas in vertical position 6,63 m
Armament: one or two 12,7 mm machine guns on turrets
Combat load up to 24 people, or 12 stretchers and medical personnel,
or 9072 kg of cargo in the cargo compartment,
or 6804 kg of cargo on the external nodes of the suspension

[wk]

Quote: Corsair0304

In general, as I understand it, "Osprey" is a universal delivery vehicle without any special anti-air defense systems.

I don’t think that they are going to act naked on a hedgehog .... it’s clear that the landing will not go in the first echelon .... first fighter aircraft to destroy the air defense ... if you write that after the destruction of the air defense you can protect yourself from the landing with arrows and needles, then it is very difficult .... they have a very small radius of action .... i.e. MANPADS calculations should be found on almost the entire perimeter of the islands, which is unlikely to be realized given the number of contingents on the islands.

[dyksi]

This is exactly what is being prepared, and all our programs on the surface fleet are either suspended or pushed back. After all, it's a no brainer that the F-35 and these Ospreys will be based on these so-called Japanese destroyers. How are we going to slow them down? Corvettes and RTOs? Only our own and full-fledged AUG can resist such groups, but apparently neither destroyers nor aircraft carriers shine for us, the Japanese know this, and therefore they force their programs, realizing that in view of the proximity of the territories of nuclear weapons, you will not particularly use them, but more against we have nothing at the moment. Upstairs, judging by the inaction, the opinion is different.

[max702]

Quote: dyksi

This is exactly what is being prepared, and all our programs on the surface fleet are either suspended or pushed back. After all, it's a no brainer that the F-35 and these Ospreys will be based on these so-called Japanese destroyers. How are we going to slow them down? Corvettes and RTOs? Only our own and full-fledged AUG can resist such groups, but apparently neither destroyers nor aircraft carriers shine for us, the Japanese know this, and therefore they force their programs, realizing that in view of the proximity of the territories of nuclear weapons, you will not particularly use them, but more against we have nothing at the moment. Upstairs, judging by the inaction, the opinion is different.

The Strategic Missile Forces will resist! Well, what nonsense, Japan is on us and aviation and the navy, and we are like Toko corvettes and "needles" .. An attack of this magnitude will automatically entail a response with the use of nuclear weapons .. And still there is no Japan, and after it the Arctic fox will come and the whole planet Earth for this (Japan) the conflict will not end.

[U-47]

Quote: max702

The Strategic Missile Forces will resist! Well, what nonsense, Japan is at us with its aviation and navy, and we are like Toko corvettes and "needles" .. An attack of this scale will automatically entail a response with the use of nuclear weapons ..

yeah .. really -

Quote: max702

Well what nonsense

what kind of war? what kind of aviation and navy? what nuclear weapons? Some kind of scabies in all of the third world. From the purchase of five convertiplanes, the devil has already inflated.

[Alexander 3]

Yes, fig you need it 7

[V.ic]

A tiltrotor is certainly a cool toy, and an expensive one.

[NEXUS]

Quote: V.ic

A tiltrotor is certainly a cool toy, and an expensive one.

And what is its steepness? Is it not a normal helicopter, and not a decent airplane?

[twincam]

so pepelats zachotny.
at the museum in Monino I saw something like that.

[V.ic]

Quote: twincam

at the museum in Monino I saw something like that.

Mi-12. The body of the IL-76 and the engines of the Mi-6.

[U-47]

Quote: twincam

so pepelats zachotny.
at the museum in Monino I saw something like that.

already trophy ???

[twincam]

Quote: U-47

Quote: twincam

so pepelats zachotny.
at the museum in Monino I saw something like that.

already trophy ???

yes her))
there is some semblance of an airplane, and there are screws on the wings like a helicopter.
right now poyandeksyu, can find chenit))
here, I found it)) https://yandex.ru/images/search?img_url=http%3A%2F%2Fairmuseum.ru%2Fwp-content%2
Fuploads%2F2014%2F06%2Fmonino-150x63.jpg&_=1437075621043&nomisspell=1&text=%D0%B
C%D1%83%D0%B7%D0%B5%D0%B9%20%D0%B2%D0%B2%D1%81%20%D0%B2%20%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%
B8% D0% BD% D0% BE & pos = 0 & rpt = simage

[GEORGE]

I'm bastard from your comments !!! Some marshals and generals are right and everyone else is so-so !!! Has anyone read the key phrase - Japanese authorities agreed to spend $ 332,5 million (41 billion yen) on the purchase of five V-22 Osprey convertiplanes from the United States, TASS reports Reuters. !!! ??? AGREED !!! What else are the questions of LORD MARSHAL ???

[Wolka]

a very rash decision of the samurai ...

[Alcoholic]

Bravo!
So it’s necessary to vparivat obviously full g.no.
Persecuted with them torment.
Fun!!

[PROXOR]

All the same, the future is more likely for high-speed helicopters.