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The Russian team won no gold medals at the International Mathematical Olympiad, but "We are pleased with the result"

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Well, this is another article that has nothing to do with military topics, geopolitics, or national security, readers will say. Yes, by and large, the issues of education and its problems should be dealt with by the relevant departments with coverage in specialized portals. But during the preparation of the material, it turned out that the profile educational portals on the subject of the recent International Mathematical Olympiad held in Thailand are mostly silence. But the results of this Olympiad, by definition, cannot be hushed up, since they in one way or another demonstrate the state to which the national educational system came as a result of an epic reformation, about which they blew it from the highest tribunes.

The "Olympic" results, as they say, touched, and therefore the author of the material decided to discuss the problem, which, by and large, is linked both to the future of the educational system in our country and to the national security system, which is practically inseparable from the level of education of the young generation . So, about the results of the international math tournament held in sunny Chiang Mai (Thailand).

The Russian team won no gold medals at the International Mathematical Olympiad, but "We are pleased with the result"


These results, to put it mildly, are disappointing. First time in stories of the participation of schoolchildren of the USSR and the Russian Federation in these olympiads (and the International Mathematical Olympiad in Thailand was 56), the national team did not win a single highest award! Not one! .. Moreover, in the team event, the Russian national team for the first time in history did not even enter the twenty strongest teams. And the victory in the IMO was celebrated by the USA national team, which took away the palm of mathematical primacy from China, which won at similar tournaments for two years in a row (in 2013 and in 2014). The last Russian success (meaning the first team place) is dated 2007 year. And the last Russian prize (the second) in the team event was won 5 years ago.

This time, not a single Russian representative became the gold medalists of the International Mathematical Olympiad, considered the most prestigious of the natural science tournaments for schoolchildren. This is especially depressing due to the fact that schoolchildren of such states as North Korea, Peru and Iran conquered “gold” at IMO. Ukrainian and Singapore schoolchildren, representatives of Australia, China, USA, South Korea, Japan and several other states won gold medals. Russia, for decades (since Soviet times), has been among the leaders in terms of mathematical knowledge among schoolchildren, remains behind the world's mathematical elite. It would have been possible not to report about it - they say, well, they did not win the "gold", with whom it does not happen ... But silence in this case is hardly appropriate. After all, this is, firstly, not at all an accident, and secondly, it is possible to quietly measure the ratings of schools and universities “according to their scale”, stating that Russian educational institutions and organizations by foreign expert groups are “unfairly” moving back lower and lower in the list of positions, but the fact remains: a total decline in the level of education in Russia takes place. And if it came to a “knock” in the mathematical field, which has always been considered a litmus test of the educational environment, then this clearly indicates that it is time to restore order in the educational system.

The first thing that comes to mind in this regard, of course, is the USE system. Yes, the Unified State Exam helps children from ordinary families, from the Russian hinterland, without any problems, to enroll in universities located in large cities. Yes, the USE allows you to build a unified assessment system and, as it were, allows to reduce the level of corruption. At least, the “reduction in the level of corruption thanks to the USE” is spoken in the Ministry of Education and Science. But on this the praises and solemn chants of the Unified State Exam, which turned not into a system of checking the student’s level of training, but into a final link of many years of training on a narrowly defined circle of tasks, can be ended. Schoolchildren (and this is well known from personal experience) have largely ceased to understand the essence of laws, formulas, concepts. The system of preparation for the Uniform State Exam, as it were, draws a middle line in the process of learning between talented children and those who by nature are not strong in mathematics. As a result, it all comes down not to an understanding of the essence of the educational discipline, but to a constant “prorescence of typical exercises”. They say that the more “typical tasks” we solve in class, the more chances you (students) will have to solve similar tasks on the Unified State Exam. It is clear that this is not a fatal mistake of the teaching community, it is an imposed system, which in turn leads to a crisis in the entire educational environment.

“Typical” tasks have overshadowed everything, and as for the actions of schoolchildren in non-standard situations when solving problems for logical, abstract thinking, there is a dead end here. One could declare an exaggeration, but after all, the same International Mathematical Olympiad, which the modern Russian system of mathematical education has lost with a crash - isn't it one of the indicators of the crisis? Well, not “typical” tasks for MMOs ... Not typical ... As if a bell for the Ministry of Education and Science, that in our Universe, the goal of educating young people is not only and not so much passing the USE for entering the university for the next “eHvective manager” ...

If the matter goes on the same rails and further, then the degeneration of the oldest and highest in its level of domestic mathematical school will no longer look like a simple horror story that has nothing to do with reality. The degeneration of the mathematical school is also the degeneration of the school of engineering, the emergence of total problems with the development of new technologies, software systems. This is a blow to the heart of the Russian security system, after all.

Against this background, a statement of the leaders of the national team of Russian schoolchildren participating in an IMO looks like some kind of evil irony (you can hardly address complaints to schoolchildren themselves, because they are the product of the system that has been implanted in the education of Russia in recent years, the product of the EGEE) . So, the statement of the team leaders looks like this:

Our guys won 6 silver medals, and we, and they are pleased with the result.




Is such minimalism justified? .. It is unlikely ...

Apparently, soon for the calculations, it will be necessary to buy not only Chinese and American computers, but also to “write out” the Chinese themselves to help them figure it out ... Here you, grandmother, and import substitution ...

I am glad for the fact that from the International Physics Olympiad, the Russian guys brought 4 gold awards. But in the Ministry of Education and Science, apparently, they are ready to work on this result ...
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    1. Shick
      Shick 17 July 2015 06: 11
      +51
      Well, here it is the exam generation
      1. candy wrapper13
        candy wrapper13 17 July 2015 06: 42
        +34
        * Well, here it is the exam generation * -Examination of Victorious Capitalism crying - vent on a gas pipe (in the geyropu) can open and okay recourse * many knowledge multiplies sorrows * yes -what for natives sadden. wassat
        Question- whose interests * are served * by the government of the Russian Federation? belay request am
        1. captain
          captain 17 July 2015 08: 58
          +73
          Dear commentators, of course EG played its role in the education system, but I want to tell you an interesting story of the selection for the Russian language Olympiad in our region. My friend's daughter was going to enter the journalism faculty at one time. She strove to get to the All-Russian Olympiad and participated in all the Olympiads where she was taken (pay attention, where she was taken). She won at school, in the district (our city is administratively divided into districts), but they did not take her to the city one, they said that she was weak in knowledge. Parents were upset, but with whom it does not happen. Time passed and his daughter entered the journalism faculty in Moscow. And lo and behold, he meets a countrywoman there. It turned out that her compatriot won the regional Olympiad, but she failed at the All-Russian Olympiad, but entered the university. Try to guess from three times who her dad worked in our region. Children who are not stupid, but not the BEST, come to the Olympiads quite often. By the way, my friend's daughter does not consider herself the best, but the moment is interesting. So, to our bitter regret, not only at the Olympiads, but in many areas of our activity, starting with football and further down the list, therefore there is a brain drain from the country, not only athletes, but also good specialists are leaving. Nepotism and kinship are placed above the interests of the state and this plays a very negative role in our society. As in one of the films our sovereign said: "... there are many smart, devotees are needed ..."
          1. Papakiko
            Papakiko 17 July 2015 11: 57
            +9
            Quote: captain
            Try to guess from three times who her dad worked in our area.

            Quote: captain
            But in many areas of our activity, starting with football and further down the list, therefore, there is a brain drain from the country, not only athletes are leaving, but also good specialists.

            This fact is pertinent everywhere and squared in ordinary schools. The situation in gymnasiums and lyceums is categorically the opposite, but children of wealthy parents study there. In what "specialists" as a result the majors' offspring grow up, everyone already knows.
            Quote: captain
            Cronyism and kinship are put above the interests of the state

            Majerics and oligarchs identify with the state, and the rest of the population is perishable.
            Quote: sergey32
            So, she did not have a single offer to participate in international Olympiads

            You need to be not only a successful student, but an activist of the "Young Guard" (as a variant, but there are still other informal movements). To travel around all sorts of Silegera and then the cornucopia will turn in your direction and sprinkle with earthly blessings so that you will not have enough strength to take away. wink
            Quote: sergey32
            Now she thinks that she should choose the Sechenov Academy in Moscow or Pavlov in St. Petersburg.

            My respect, very strong!
            Move to Peter!
            The cultural capital and the generally positive background of the city will give + 2K to karma in the future. Moscow-Mazdai for the brain and -2K to karma.
            Quote: sergey32
            You can go on an internship to Europe or America, especially since you speak English fluently

            Practices in St. Petersburg will be enough for the very after eye.
            The topic raised in the article does not in any way reflect the real situevina in general, and even less so does it cover the realities at the Olympiads themselves.
            Especially when there the mattress begins to collect medals.

            Regards to all. love
            1. Russian063
              Russian063 18 July 2015 14: 45
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              I looked with pleasure. Thank you. Alexei is a great athlete. and it is precisely at the speeches of such mega-athletes that the attitude of the world community towards our country is precisely visible. For any show held outside of our country, sports or cultural, cannot be absolutely impartial and politically unbiased. Well, at least now I am already honestly refereeing such a shoy and I do not remember.
          2. Siberian1965
            Siberian1965 17 July 2015 15: 24
            +7
            This is just one of the components of corruption. I agree with you, the best ones are replaced by the necessary ones. I think that the personnel policy in our country is one of the worst. There are no middle-class people with state thinking.
            1. Papakiko
              Papakiko 17 July 2015 16: 53
              +2
              Quote: Siberian1965
              I think that the personnel policy in our country is one of the worst.

              Comrad, you strongly dislike your own country and adore "our partners" too much.
              I will give examples, from a mattress .: 41 and 43 condoms of a mattress ...
              42 The President and his OLD wife .... 44 .. well, not everything is "transparent" with him either wink
              Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian gas producer, announces the appointment of the company’s legal director Robert Hunter Bidenwhich is son of US vice president Joe Biden.
              I will emphasize the ROCK a bit over the Biden and launch a pebble in the direction of McCain: On May 31, 2015, the son of Vice President Joe Biden, Beau Biden, died of brain cancer. He was 46. In 1972, Joe Biden's first wife, Nelia, and their daughter Naomi died in a car accident. Bo and his brother Hunter were in the car, but they managed to survive - they were seriously injured.
              In general, what kind of "necessary" people and where and what are distributed is quite clear from my sketch (I apologize for the non-Russian word, but this is a continuation of my banter over the "world" practice of nepotism, etc.).
              Respect to all. drinks
              1. Papakiko
                Papakiko 17 July 2015 19: 05
                +2
                Oooh oooh
                No one of those listed was offended.
                Sorry Barack Biden Clinton Bush but "you-you-it-they" know everything, or was it a "secret"?
              2. kotvov
                kotvov 17 July 2015 19: 54
                +4
                Comrad, you strongly dislike your own country and adore "our partners" too much. ,,
                unless talking about love. unless someone can explain where they come from, effective managers, why do people who fail in one place, are placed in another higher post and are not responsible? but with ,, partners, you have to take the best, I think no one will not say that they are all bad.
                1. Papakiko
                  Papakiko 17 July 2015 20: 58
                  +2
                  Quote: kotvov
                  why do people who fail in one place are placed in another higher post

                  Quote: kotvov
                  unless someone can explain where they come from, effective managers

                  And without additional devices for improving vision, it is clear and crystal clear that the right people are sitting on the taps and holding files.
                  What else needs to be explained and what kind of eyes are open to the obvious things, the appearance of effective managers?
                  Under the USSR they were, before the USSR they were and are now.
                  The main problem is "Ivans do not remember kinship" - Disunity of KINDS (surnames, families) and the absence of society as such. Example: Powerlessness in confrontation with the Criminal Code in housing and communal services and in most cases it is not possible to organize in a homeowners association.
                  Etc. to infinity.
                2. Russian063
                  Russian063 18 July 2015 14: 52
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                  Yes, in Russia, not everything is still good with personnel issues .. and with many others. BUT this is YET. Specially trained people are already working in this direction. Everything will be fine .. no need to yell, "Everything is lost." Help with this, signal.
              3. Russian063
                Russian063 18 July 2015 14: 50
                0
                To speak about the real state of affairs in the personnel policy of the state — does not like this very state? * * Come on. I can not love the government, I can not love the president, I can hate employers and personnel officers, but this does not mean that I do not like my homeland.
                And the fact that not everything is "in the fir-tree" beyond the hill does not make our bureaucracy and oligarchy any better. Why look up to the ugly..dov, let's be better than them !!
            2. derik1970
              derik1970 17 July 2015 23: 53
              +1
              I agree with you ... it is also striking that officials raised even in the spirit of patriotism during the USSR behave in their places as an invader, as enemies of their country ...
              1. Russian063
                Russian063 18 July 2015 16: 11
                0
                Those who are truly educated in the spirit of patriotism will NEVER harm their country. Or then it is ostentatious patriotism.
            3. 4thParasinok
              4thParasinok 20 July 2015 11: 02
              0
              Quote: Siberian1965
              I think that the personnel policy in our country is one of the worst.

              Duck. Is Psaki already working for our president?
              And the fact that in the United States presidents are not "elected" on the basis of kinship? The same Obama has 5 relatives of former presidents and the color of the skin has nothing to do with it. Mom and Nigeria from Africa (also not just a commodity has been, from the local "elite") spree.
          3. go21zd45few
            go21zd45few 19 July 2015 16: 27
            0
            There you have the corruption component, and when introducing it, one of the conditions was to exclude corruption. But with the introduction of the Unified State, our youth is dumb, does not know the history, literature of the Russian language. Here is an example, the granddaughter of 23 years old does not know who Totonhomon is, when the second world war, here is the result of studying at school.
            1. sap
              sap 19 July 2015 18: 39
              0
              Quote: go21zd45few
              doesn't know who Totonhomon is

              I am also a sinner in ignorance, maybe you mean Tutankhamun (Tutankhaton) - the pharaoh of Ancient Egypt from the XVIII dynasty of the New Kingdom, who ruled around 1332-1323 BC. e.
          4. starshina78
            starshina78 19 July 2015 18: 44
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            I would like to add to the commentary "captain". All the tales about the fact that it is impossible to adjust the grades for the year, to improve the result on the exam are bullshit! You don't have to go far for an example. The wife's nephew, for an appropriate fee, was able to make it so that his daughter (who was learning to play naughty - go ahead, yes, she had no time to study because of the constant competition) instead of triplets, fives and fours appeared in the certificate (there are more first ones), and the USE is generally a little is not the best in school, and this despite the fact that she was not in any exam !!! She was once again at the competition. How! In Russia now everything is decided by money, and the words that the Unified State Exam allowed children from the provinces to enter the capital's universities is also a fairy tale! For paid faculties, please, but for the budget, alas, our own people need more! And the fact that the USE system itself leads to stupidity has long been known. Yes, and what can you expect from this, if the preparation is not about studying the material, but dumb preparation for testing. Thank God ! They returned the essay. You look and a written exam in mathematics will be returned, and then an oral one with a live solution at the board of theorems and problems.
        2. Tambov Wolf
          Tambov Wolf 17 July 2015 14: 04
          +5
          How whose? America (they export money there, supposedly for storage), Europe (they don’t know how to extend one or two pipes there), Ukraine (they don’t serve gas discounts, then Sberbank Crimea, they do sewing in St. Petersburg), if you dig , then to everyone except their country and people (reduction in the army, on social projects, increasing the age to pensions, fines and payments for everything that is possible and impossible, etc., etc.)
        3. sap
          sap 19 July 2015 17: 43
          0
          Quote: Fantik13
          Question- whose interests * are served * by the government of the Russian Federation?

          President Putin’s response?
      2. sergey32
        sergey32 17 July 2015 09: 03
        +21
        Quote: Shick
        Well, here it is the exam generation

        And I wonder how the selection for such olympiads is carried out.
        This year my daughter got 299 points at the USE (according to 100 Russian and chemistry, 99 biology). But given the fact that she is the winner of two All-Russian Olympiads in biology, her result is also 100 points. Plus 10 points for a gold medal. Total 310 points. This is the maximum and highest result in the region. She submitted documents to 4 leading medical universities and in all she is rated first in the ranking and is guaranteed. So, she did not have a single offer to participate in international competitions. I think she would not fail.
        1. begemot20091
          begemot20091 17 July 2015 09: 27
          +10
          such girls to us, to Tomsk honey. and let the abitura of the fraternal republics master science in Dushanbe, Tashkent, Ashgabat .... as today there is a lack of such purposeful people, not "target people" who, after the end of honey, cannot distinguish hemorrhoids from angina.
          1. sergey32
            sergey32 17 July 2015 10: 35
            +9
            No, I won’t go to Tomsk, it’s too far from Bryansk. Now she thinks that she should choose the Sechenov Academy in Moscow or Pavlov in St. Petersburg. He plans to work as a doctor for some time after high school, and then go to science. I’m trying to impress on her that she needs to work in her own country. In universities, she was specifically told that it would be possible to go on an internship to Europe or America, especially since she speaks English fluently. I tell her where he was born there and came in handy and don’t forget where our missiles are aimed. And English will always come in handy, you have to interrogate prisoners. wassat
            1. Russian063
              Russian063 18 July 2015 16: 13
              +1
              Your golden words. God grant that your daughter listens to the words of the wise dad.
        2. velikoros-xnumx
          velikoros-xnumx 17 July 2015 11: 01
          +5
          Quote: sergey32
          This year my daughter got 299 points in the USE (100 in Russian and chemistry, 99 in biology). But given the fact that she is the winner of two All-Russian Olympiads in biology, her result is also 100 points. Plus 10 points for a gold medal. Total 310 points. This is the maximum and highest result in the region.

          A little out of place, congratulations. You have something to be proud of. God grant that this does not stop reaping the laurels of success. Good luck to your daughter.
        3. akeloya
          akeloya 17 July 2015 11: 16
          0
          As an everywhere.
          There is a person in charge of the Russian national team who receives bonuses for the team bringing medals. It is not in his interests that the upstart who won all the Russian tournaments go to the world, but that the team is guaranteed to bring medals.
          Therefore, those who can bring something are coming, and not those who have selected inside the country. They usually close the holes - if there is no one else to go.
        4. mervino2007
          mervino2007 17 July 2015 12: 40
          +2
          Quote: sergey32
          she did not have a single offer to participate in international competitions.

          So, do the nomenclature kids go to the Olympics? Clearly, the lack of gold in Korea.
          1. Predator
            Predator 17 July 2015 15: 12
            +6
            Quote: mervino2007
            Quote: sergey32
            she did not have a single offer to participate in international competitions.

            So, do the nomenclature kids go to the Olympics? Clearly, the lack of gold in Korea.

            The affairs of bygone days. As it was held in the army "olympiad" for the best reconnaissance group, the reward was an extraordinary title and an award of 1000 rubles (at that time, the amount is huge) the selection was "tough" .... none of the active in combat took ..... the preparation allegedly was not the same .... but mine took part out of competition (like whipping boys), and when we tore all the winners into rags, so my reward was an extraordinary removal of the asterisk, the disbandment of the group and the distant garrison, with bolshezvezdnyh yell-what could not substitute ?! We disgraced! And so and now ..... cattle!
            1. avia1991
              avia1991 18 July 2015 05: 14
              +1
              Quote: Predator
              so my reward was the extraordinary removal of the asterisk, the disbandment of the group and the distant garrison

              Pra-avilo: know your place! wassat
              Don’t be offended, Sergey! hi
              I think the reward for you was an internal understanding that you are the best when
              Quote: Predator
              we tore all the winners on rags
              wink good
              With regard to the topic of the article, we can say that situations like yours were everywhere and always And in the USSR - but then, unlike today, the "bigwigs" were satisfied only with "laurels" and ranks, without depriving talented people of the opportunity to develop science, and at the same time receive certain preferences. And the state was vigilant that scientists had their own "piece of bread", and in return received real SCIENCE, generally recognized in the world.
              We all need only to clearly understand that simply by replacing Livanov the situation in education cannot be changed - for this we need to CHANGE the SYSTEM.
            2. Russian063
              Russian063 18 July 2015 16: 15
              0
              And yet, they were right ..) Obviously in your RCG the wrong preparation. laughing
        5. mervino2007
          mervino2007 17 July 2015 12: 40
          0
          Quote: sergey32
          she did not have a single offer to participate in international competitions.

          So, do the nomenclature kids go to the Olympics? Clearly, the lack of gold in Korea.
        6. tasha
          tasha 17 July 2015 18: 38
          +1
          This is perhaps the author’s flaw. Those. the principle of selection for the international olympiad is not described. I wanted to clarify with you, Sergey32, now regional-regional subject Olympiads are not held?
          1. sergey32
            sergey32 17 July 2015 19: 39
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            Are being held. All-Russian universities usually hold leading universities. My daughter first scored the necessary points in an absentee tour on the Internet, then went to six full-time olympiads in Moscow. In two, she won a prize in biology and chemistry. Exhausted thoroughly.
            1. 4thParasinok
              4thParasinok 20 July 2015 11: 16
              0
              Quote: sergey32
              Are being held. All-Russian universities usually hold leading universities. My daughter first scored the necessary points in an absentee tour on the Internet, then went to six full-time olympiads in Moscow. In two, she won a prize in biology and chemistry. Exhausted thoroughly.

              that's why she didn't get anywhere, since this is an "olympiad" of a university, and not really an all-Russian one. The All-Russian one is organized by the Ministry of Education and Science, it is necessary to go through a series of Olympiads starting from school and ending with regional, again organized by the Ministry of Education. And here, during the selection, no points earned on the Internet are rolled here.
              But it does not matter how this university "All-Russian Olympiad" is called, now everyone can organize their own Academy of Sciences, the laws allow it.
      3. nadezhiva
        nadezhiva 17 July 2015 09: 16
        +9
        Quote: Shick
        Well, here it is the exam generation

        Hardly. Most likely, everything is again banal. My question is: how was the selection for participation in the Olympiad?
        This year at the final Russian Olympiads, everything was very strange. Somehow dohrena prize (first) places (almost all) took Muscovites. In previous years, this was not observed. Let's not forget: the winners of the All-Russian Olympiads = bonuses for admission to the university.
        Corruption, gentlemen crying
      4. Dejavu
        Dejavu 17 July 2015 10: 33
        +26
        "Well, here it is the USE generation"


        The point is not only in the exam. I work at a school as an English teacher not the first year, and not at the first school. The main problem I see is the absence of an idea in the heads, as such. Any schoolchild, if his parents didn’t get a certain thought about a bright future that comes only with a good education and a belt, dreams of the maximum about an unlimited internet in his tablet and a certain amount on the account, which is enough for all nishtyaki from the playmarket. Все. The limit of dreams is not even an expensive car or a trip somewhere on the azure shores, it is in the past. Life perverted and took the form of a social network, self-expression at almost any price, show off and cheap ponts. If you go to the mountains, then in order to make a selfie or belfi cooler than to stir up Vasya. I probably just became old in my 30, but the youth was shredding. In my zero stars, they didn’t grab any more from the sky, but now it’s just some kind of deadly impasse. No, there are certainly worthy kids, they want to be military, to do something in life. But in the majority, it is not even a consumer society, it is some kind of potato kefir, and not a society. At all do not care, nothing particularly interesting, with a few exceptions, they start playing the guitar, but they quickly give up, because it takes too much effort. Hamsters are not ready for this. Delight only those units who still cook poppy as it should. They know how to think critically and analyze. I love to communicate with such teenagers. Their percentage is 2-3, but they are. Given the country's population, this is probably not so bad. I would call our era post-consumerism. This is when advertising new cool devices no longer touches, films do not carry new ideas, but only reincarnate from the bodies of the Terminator type. Christianity is gone, there is no iron will from above, there are no ideas about a bright future either, the idea of ​​consumption as shale oil is too fleeting, and even stupid understands that this is a road to nowhere. It remains to exist in a certain reality, where virtuality is much more attractive, though also boring, but still not in the same way as everyday reality. What nafig olympiad in mathematics? Why win in it? Why do mathematics in general, especially higher? The teacher is not able to explain it now. And without motivation, no student will ever achieve anything. I have been fighting this problem for more than a year, and it so happened that I happened to leave the city and go to the village. Only here I saw a certain gap. The work, sometimes hard, that makes you wake up and feel alive much more, as it turned out to be more interesting than any of the most addictive virtual canoes that I met. I persuade the children that there is happiness in the village too (in truth, it seems to me that for me personally only here it is). It remains to direct all these young inner impulses to the mainstream of creating a family, my place in life (my house, farm, I don’t know anything) and ultimately love for my country. It is unlikely that I personally can do for Russia, something else useful. But even so.
        1. sap
          sap 19 July 2015 18: 52
          +1
          Quote: dejavu
          Why is mathematics at all, especially higher? The teacher is now unable to explain this.

          Shitty means a teacher! I'm afraid he can't read either. In every slightly decorated office of mathematics there is a banner over the blackboard with the textbook saying: "Mathematics must be studied because it puts the mind in order" MV Lomonosov.

          Quote: dejavu
          "Well, here it is the USE generation"


          The point is not only in the exam. At about 30 I was probably just old, but the youth was shredding. In my zero years, especially stars were no longer missing from the sky, but now it’s just some kind of fierce dead end.

          Of course, not only in the exam
          Task conditions: crisis of higher education
          The belief that education is the key to further fate began to take shape in the 1930s with their famous (and absolutely correct for that era) slogan: “Cadres decide everything.” In principle, by and large, it is still relevant. The final consolidation of the life scheme “a school with honors — a university with honors — a good job — a career” occurred in the 1950s and early 1960s, when a global nuclear missile project was being implemented.
          By the end of the decade, this scheme began to give the first glitches.
          Formally, they were caused by the overproduction of scientists. In fact, of course, a resource in principle cannot be redundant. It was a shortage of design capacity: the state was not able to develop a strategy that converts education into development. This problem is a special case of the problem of capitalization of human potential and has not yet been solved.
          The "overproduction" of scientific and technical intelligentsia caused a progressive fall in the price of a young specialist and caused a deep crisis in higher education. For the time being, this crisis is compensated by two social institutions: a concription army and fashion. (continued in next post)
        2. sap
          sap 19 July 2015 18: 57
          0
          As the army began to degrade much earlier than education (and the process developed faster), some talented school graduates are faced with the task of evading conscription. A university was and remains the simplest and most natural choice: directly or indirectly, it provides a respite from military service. And in this sense, the army plays the role of a “turbocharger circuit”: it increases social pressure at the entrance of the “higher education” system and indirectly in high school.
          Note that the “threat to the army” supports the original life pattern: “school – university – work,” although the motivation is no longer “striving for ...” (red diploma - the path to a career), but “flight from ...” (you will not study go to the army).
          In the last five to seven years, a fashion for higher education has been formed and, in a sense, institutionalized. It’s decent for a self-respecting manager to have a secretary with a diploma from a reputable university. It is prestigious when the head of the department or the federal inspector has two higher educations, an internship in the UK and a Microsoft certificate. It doesn’t hurt when a certified historian or philologist works as an editor in a publishing house.
          But, note that the first, second, and third are completely useless. The secretary does not require a higher humanitarian (especially not a natural science) education, but a civilian analogue of a one-year staff college. The head of the department needs practical experience. The editor should love his work, and not consider it as hard labor. Sooner or later, the rationalism inherent in a market economy will destroy the Russian habit of placing officers on sergeant posts. Sooner or later, the country will move from a concription to a hired or voluntary army. The pressure in both “turbocharger circuits” drops to zero. And then what will happen to Russian higher education?
          As an institution of vocational training, it no longer functions. There is no complete statistics, but a random check shows that only about five percent of graduates of Soviet / Russian universities associate their life aspirations with the specialty they received. That is, the higher education system regularly pumps people with knowledge that will never be in demand. From the point of view of the country's interests, it works idle.
          Certain hopes inspire the trend manifested in recent years.
          More and more specialists who are completely satisfied with their income, their work and their position — we are talking about representatives of small and medium-sized businesses, administrators, and hired workers of the elite categories — seek higher education (sometimes a second, but often the first) as part of their activities. In other words, there is a gradual modification of the life pattern: instead of the line “school - university - work - career" the citizenship formula acquires the formula "school - work - career - university".
      5. dmit-xnumx
        dmit-xnumx 17 July 2015 11: 43
        +3
        - I will supplement you with the words - "From the Society of Consumers." - into which they all want to push us out of the Society of Creators and Winners.
        1. רישון
          רישון 17 July 2015 11: 50
          -12
          There are no creators and winners in the race. If and foolish
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 17 July 2015 19: 40
          0
          Do not be afraid do not push out.
      6. Asadullah
        Asadullah 17 July 2015 21: 16
        -1
        USE has nothing to do with it. This is the generation of the Internet, iPhones and empty yards. Previously, there was noise and din in the courtyards, mothers shouted from the windows, “have dinner!” What dinner is there, lessons were done at fifteen minutes, with a fresh head, saturated with oxygen. Abilities did not need to be awakened, they themselves shouted about themselves on every subject. Advanced parents who did not pass an ege today rivet hockey players, tennis players, football players, future millionaires from their children, investing there a family budget, and from those who do not, mobile IT guys and girls are made. That's all ehe.
    2. Enot-poloskun
      Enot-poloskun 17 July 2015 06: 15
      +22
      Remark:

      "The Prussian teacher won the war with France" (Bismarck)

      - About the Franco-Prussian war of 1870-71.

      Education determines a lot ...
      1. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 17 July 2015 12: 43
        +3
        Quote: Enot-poloskun
        Remark:

        "The Prussian teacher won the war with France" (Bismarck)

        - About the Franco-Prussian war of 1870-71.

        Education determines a lot ...
        Encyclopedic Dictionary of winged words and expressions.

        Prussian teacher won the battle of Sadovaya

        It is usually mistakenly attributed to the "iron chancellor" of Germany, Otto Eduard Leopold Bismarck.
        The author of the expression is Oscar Peschel (1826-1875), professor of geography from Leipzig, and in the original his phrase sounds different. So, in July 11866, he wrote in the newspaper Zagranitsa edited by him: "... Public education plays a decisive role in the war ... when the Prussians beat the Austrians, it was the victory of the Prussian teacher over the Austrian school teacher."
        In Russia, after the Franco-Prussian war, the expression began to be associated with this particular campaign, and therefore this version of Oscar Peschel’s phrase became popular in Russian: "The Prussian teacher defeated France."
        It is used as a reminder of the role of a school teacher in shaping a nation, its intellectual potential, morality, spirit, etc.
        1. Russian063
          Russian063 18 July 2015 16: 32
          0
          11866 from the birth of Christ?))
      2. Russian063
        Russian063 18 July 2015 16: 31
        0
        A lot, but not all. Much more depends on the time at which the event occurs. Now not a single Prussian teacher will win the war with France (this is disposed of).
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    4. inkass_98
      inkass_98 17 July 2015 07: 19
      +8
      Quote: Garyn
      The offspring of protoucoures probably re-orgasmed from this news.

      And to hell with them, we are talking about the education of our children and grandchildren.
    5. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 17 July 2015 07: 37
      -3
      We will win when "Chiang Mai Thailand" is written in Russian.
      1. Russian063
        Russian063 18 July 2015 16: 34
        0
        If only the word Russia in our territory was not written in Thai. or what kind of hieroglyphs ...
    6. wadim13
      wadim13 17 July 2015 08: 31
      +9
      Dear Garyn, are you just angry, or do you have a task to direct the discussion along the whole fed up track here?
  2. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 17 July 2015 06: 08
    +14
    "Health" to our "reformers"! Long live the exam! here they are the expected fruits ... but Putin on the Klyazma, saw a completely different picture, there is a mass of talented "IT" youth thanks to the reforms and the Unified State Exam ...
    1. the polar
      the polar 17 July 2015 06: 34
      +13
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      but Putin on the Klyazma, saw a completely different picture, there is a lot of talented "IT" youth thanks to the reforms and the Unified State Exam ...

      Mr. Putin does not have such a great intellect to distinguish "IT youth" from the cadets of the "FSB academy" who are doing practical training on the Klyazma.
      The main thing is that everyone be with iPhones and iPads
      1. washi
        washi 17 July 2015 13: 14
        +2
        Quote: Polar
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        but Putin on the Klyazma, saw a completely different picture, there is a lot of talented "IT" youth thanks to the reforms and the Unified State Exam ...

        Mr. Putin does not have such a great intellect to distinguish "IT youth" from the cadets of the "FSB academy" who are doing practical training on the Klyazma.
        The main thing is that everyone be with iPhones and iPads

        Your intelligence is naturally higher, given that GDP does not use iPhones and iPads?
        Maybe you graduated from several universities and something more interesting Higher courses of the KGB? Learned several languages?
        If so, then you are our next president, because other applicants, compared to YOU, are just suckers. After all, all dissertations and diplomas have been bought from them.
        Take me to your teams. I have enough of the deputy. Minister in your future government.
    2. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 17 July 2015 08: 29
      +15
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      "Health" to our "reformers"! Long live the exam!

      So the Americans also have the exam, and they took first place, maybe it’s not so much about the exam? Maybe the matter is not in the exam itself but in training, a well-trained person will pass any exam that the exam is not the exam. Children need to be taught and not prepared for the exam, but this is a difficult and not cheap process and it is necessary to start with pedagogical universities, where students who did not enter other, more prestigious universities study because the teaching profession is not prestigious, there is nothing to steal or roll back salaries in the school small ones. Education in the country according to the residual principle, there are no such miracles in the world, a teacher, in fact, is a male profession physiologically, but very few men work in schools, it’s not prestigious and they pay not much. But the Unified State Exam was identified as an absolution, since, probably, many bribes were lost, because you can also be creative in drawing up the Unified State Examination questions, pay well and allocate money to schools, and before that, there are no miracles in the world since children need to work hard and hard, select the most talented and identify in specialized schools, put things in order at universities.
      I also forgot that it would make sense to study mathematics, engineering specialties should also be prestigious.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 17 July 2015 08: 43
        +3
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        Children need to be taught

        That's it, Teach! not guess the answers!
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        But the USE was identified as an absolution, since, probably, many bribes were lost

        yah? didn’t lose anything!
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        After all, the preparation of the exam questions can also be approached creatively

        some are creative in their approach to crime, this does not mean that it is not a crime!
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        select particularly talented and identify in specialized schools,

        that is, to divide children by intelligence? some geniuses, others flawed? a school for the "elite", and a school for the used one? classes for "C grade" and classes for "honors"? (places only for whites!) ???
        1. IS-80
          IS-80 17 July 2015 08: 48
          +10
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          that is, to divide children by intelligence? some geniuses, others flawed? a school for the "elite", and a school for the used one? classes for "C grade" and classes for "honors"? (places only for whites!) ???

          But it’s nothing that specialized schools existed in the USSR, where not only not all studied. If I don’t have the talent of an artist, why spend tons of effort on me so that I don’t get any result? Alas, everyone has different talents.
        2. olimpiada15
          olimpiada15 17 July 2015 09: 24
          +4
          As for classes for excellent students and threes. Such classes should be mandatory and should not be considered as discrimination. The fact is that mental abilities are a very individual thing, and brain development is uneven. Pushing students into the same class with manifested abilities and unprepared for mastering the curriculum is equally harmful for both, in a cognitive sense, and psychological.
          In children with manifested abilities, banal laziness is developed, while in others the complex is not complete, and both are harmful.
          Problems should be solved, not hidden. This applies especially to children who are unprepared for learning and who are lagging behind. I watched how a class of laggards with a minimum number of students in the seventh grade was formed from elementary school, their development and knowledge did not differ and they finished school quite ready to get higher education.
          It’s a pity for capable children, whose middle level destroys, instead of developing extraordinary abilities, a smart person grows up, but not able to work hard, because half of the study time is forced to sit idle, waiting until others understand, as a result, the average ones develop, and the able ones are slowed down. And the lyceum is also not the best option, because there are some for prestige, and the talented entrance is closed due to lack of money.
          And do not rant about discrimination, pedagogy is the right thing and you need to organize the learning process, and not throw slogans.
          As for the exam, it is necessary to take measures to bureaucrats from education, it was not ruled by the exam, but the desire of bureaucrats to show pseudo-results of training and their manipulation.
          1. Dali
            Dali 17 July 2015 09: 50
            +1
            Quote: olimpiada15
            As for the exam, it is necessary to take measures to bureaucrats from education, it was not ruled by the exam, but the desire of bureaucrats to show pseudo-results of training and their manipulation.


            You rearrange the reasons a little - the Unified State Exam is just a tool for showing "learning belay and manipulating them "...

            Unified State Examination - a chain in the system of fooling !!!
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          3. TOR2
            TOR2 17 July 2015 11: 50
            +2
            Quote: olimpiada15
            I watched how, from an elementary school, a class of laggards was formed with a minimum number of students in the seventh grade, their development and knowledge did not differ, and they finished school quite ready to get higher education.

            I wonder where you watched this? As a rule, teachers have a biased attitude towards such classes. They don’t particularly deal with children there, and they also ask for a minimum at home. Everything is subject to one goal, after 9th grade to push out of school. At the exit, we get people unclaimed by life.
          4. BMW
            BMW 17 July 2015 16: 05
            +1
            Quote: olimpiada15
            As for classes for excellent students and threes. Such classes should be mandatory and should not be considered as discrimination.

            You write complete stupidity. In your opinion, the jar is junk. And the Soviet experience is on your side. No need to divide children into smart and dumb, these are fascist manners. Children under a certain age should study together regardless of abilities, grade to six. But after the sixth grade, children should be selected according to their abilities in the relevant classes in several areas, but they should study in the same school. Only schools should be multi-disciplinary.
            But with regard to the fact that children in many families are left to their own devices, parents do not deal with them. Here is the issue of state supervision. Firstly, the very system of our life forces parents to deal with issues of survival, not upbringing. Secondly, the existing system of social supervision is flawed and does not protect the child and control the parents, and operates on the principle of responding to a "call". Thirdly, the system of elimination of talented children does not work in principle.
          5. morozik
            morozik 17 July 2015 16: 20
            +1
            Of course the USE has nothing to do with it ... only all the efforts of the teachers are aimed at studying the answers to the USE by the students ... oh no - the tutors teach answers to the USE ...
            I wonder what the teacher does then - what is the measure of his responsibility now, if you remove the ege ??
            and the division into honors and troeshnikov - strongly disagree! I in the Soviet school before the 5th grade had half threes - and finished perfectly with one 4 in the certificate ...
            If we separate, then boys and girls are no secret - girls do better in elementary grades than boys than after maturity
        3. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 17 July 2015 10: 10
          0
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          that is, to divide children by intellect?

          Someone is capable of fine art, and someone in mathematics, Americans as well as Israelis have specialized schools, such is life, in the conditions of the rapid development of science and technology it is possible to be left behind forever without it, in the USSR they existed in large numbers.
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          school for the "elite",

          There are already plenty of schools for the "elite", but there is a rumor that there is a tendency for "elite" children to be transferred to regular schools, but I mean specialized schools where not the rich study, but the capable and where the student has to work hard from morning to evening.
        4. Rostislav
          Rostislav 17 July 2015 11: 19
          +1
          What are you angry at, the truth? That there are talented children? The presence of a genius does not automatically mean everyone else is labeled "flawed".
          Only militant insignificance is offended by the presence of a genius, in the presence of which he is especially clearly aware of his insignificance and the more he begins to hate outstanding people. There are many examples of this in history.
          As for talented children, yes, we need to create classes for "excellent students", create schools for the "elite"! We need to help develop talents! The future of the country depends on this.
          Why is no one raving about the search and selection of talented young athletes and the creation of special conditions for them? That, too, you will call all the other "bsdlom" because they cannot run a hundred meters in 11 seconds. to run or to spin the "sun" at 10 years old?
      2. Kuts
        Kuts 17 July 2015 10: 33
        +2
        saturn.mmm everything is correct. And we, parents, need to deal with our children ourselves.
      3. morozik
        morozik 17 July 2015 16: 07
        0
        Americans have different schools ... in those for slaves - there the level of the year is 2 weaker than our current ...
        And in those schools where brains are brought up, they even do calligraphy with fountain pens (remember how to dunk in an inkwell?) wink
        1. sap
          sap 19 July 2015 18: 09
          0
          Fountain pens are a school continuation of kindergarten modeling, that is, the development of fine motor skills, which underlies the mental development of a person during his formation.
          Alignment classes are nothing more than a tribute to experiment, that is nonsense. Tell me, what then should all public life be organized on this principle? A city of fools, middle peasants, excellent students, geniuses? Nothing develops a child like that environment in which he communicates.
      4. sap
        sap 19 July 2015 19: 13
        0
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        So the Americans also have the exam, and they took first place, maybe it’s not so much about the exam?

        slow dying school
        Unfortunately, the crisis of universities is only a reflection of the much more formidable social processes taking place in primary and secondary schools. Degradation of school education is confidently diagnosed as global trend since the mid-1980s. This trend manifests itself, first of all, in the inefficiency of investments in the education system, then in the growth of functional illiteracy and, finally, in the continuous increase in the information “gap” between the minimum requirements of the university and the maximum capacity of the school. As a result, in the most developed countries of the world an increasingly acute problem is the shortage of highly qualified personnel - moreover, in almost all activity areas.
        We will evaluate the emerging personnel situation on the example of Russia. A study of the labor market shows that unskilled workers are most in demand (the range of monthly salaries is up to $ 200). The need for specialists of an elite level, whose work is estimated at $ 1000 per month and above, is also relatively great.
        On the contrary, for the average skilled labor force (salary of 300-600 dollars per month), the supply significantly exceeds demand. But specialists of just this class are delivered by the secondary school and its dependent “lines”: “school - university” and “school - technical school”. In other words, the education system, in accordance with its life-containing function - integrating the child into society and, moreover, into the “past” society, corresponding to the system of activities half a century ago, is oriented to a certain average level, while the lower and higher levels are in demand.
        The “two-humped” form of the curve of the relationship between the demand for labor and supply versus the price of this labor force may indicate a transformation of the system of activities near the phase barrier. In societies that implement one form or another of a post-industrial project, “washing out” of mass industrial specialties and pauperization of the corresponding categories of workers should take place. A single industrial economy is split into traditional, in need of unskilled labor, and cognitive, implying creativity, mobility, multi-professionalism, systematic perception.
        The modern school is not able to train personnel for either the traditional or the cognitive economy. The same personnel that it can produce (at least in principle) are not in demand. Thus, the economic function of the school is devalued. This conclusion applies equally to both Russia and Western countries. A somewhat different situation is developing in the geo-economic East, where the center of gravity of world production of low-tech industrial products has now been transferred. (to be continued) smile
      5. sap
        sap 19 July 2015 19: 17
        0
        The situation with the social function of secondary education is even worse than with the personnel function. The modern school dates back to late medieval prototypes, that is, to the time of the genesis of the industrial phase of development. Its target function is the integration of man, firstly, into a certain system of industrial activities and, secondly, into a certain system of industrial organizations. In order to become a member of society, it is necessary to navigate in the “tunnel of Reality” characteristic of this society, to share the prevailing axiology, and to comply with generally accepted transcendence. Some basic skills (reading, writing, counting, etc.) are also absolutely necessary.
        Until the beginning of the XNUMXth century, the density of the global information field remained low, and the need for a school did not raise any doubts. The situation began to change with the advent of broadcasting - there was a new channel for obtaining information that was not related to the school and - unlike, for example, any form of print production - not implying that the user had any a priori skills.
        In the 1960s, due to the spread of television, the school lost its main advantage over the media - visibility. By the end of the decade, that is, even before the widespread transition to multi-channel color broadcasting, television took on most of the social functions previously performed by the education system.
        In subsequent years, the media, as an institution of socialization, almost replaced the school. Today, the task of integrating a person into the current system of public relations is being solved by advertising, television (moreover, interactive and “real” channels play an increasingly important role), electronic media, and tabloids. The role of the school in the process of sociocultural processing is negligible. But this is a slightly different topic. Which is worth a separate discussion, since the connection conditionally adopted on the resource is the level of education of the society and the defense capability of the state.
    3. Russian063
      Russian063 18 July 2015 16: 42
      0
      IT specialists will pull the country out of ... experiences. They will carry out a technical revolution by merging IT technologies, effective management and advanced logistics. and all components for EVERYTHING under this scheme, we will order inexpensively in China.
      The second option: do not produce anything at all, because you put the figs or a girl with a good higher education at the machine tool. We will be a reseller country. In Asia, bought in Africa sold. Offshore margins in the Caribbean. Only Russia has no place in this scheme. This bodyaga can be practiced anywhere in the world. I don’t see a way out .. it’s scary of what can become of the country if everything goes according to a bad option. Scary, for the little kids. What will current students be able to build (create) for current kindergarteners?
      1. sap
        sap 19 July 2015 18: 28
        0
        Mankind does not have experience in the conditions of the post-industrial barrier and the cognitive world. Any strategy involving cognitive elements is thus speculative and unreliable. It represents more discussion on the topic than a responsible document suitable for headquarters processing and subsequent implementation. But planning to overcome the post-industrial barrier needs to start somewhere.
  3. pv1005
    pv1005 17 July 2015 06: 15
    +38
    Return the SOVIET EDUCATION SYSTEM, even though my grandchildren will study according to the normal (unified) program and textbooks.
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 17 July 2015 08: 30
      +10
      Quote: pv1005
      Return the SOVIET EDUCATION SYSTEM, even though my grandchildren will study according to the normal (unified) program and textbooks.

      Then it is necessary, if only not to spoil the Soviet past and the address of Joseph Vissarionovich. And these burps of democracy and liberalism-aspen count.
    2. dmb
      dmb 17 July 2015 10: 41
      +1
      And this is very simple, it is enough to return the Soviet system in general.
      1. DIVAN SOLDIER
        DIVAN SOLDIER 17 July 2015 17: 13
        0
        It is enough to raise teachers' salaries, at least to the level of a police sergeant.
        1. sap
          sap 19 July 2015 18: 33
          0
          This will solve to some extent the problem of pushing teachers away from the abyss of poverty, but it will not solve the problem of education. And in Soviet times, especially before perestroika, teachers had the most depressing. only cleaners received less. but education then was about which we now recall with nostalgia about past victories.
      2. rosarioagro
        rosarioagro 17 July 2015 17: 59
        0
        Quote: dmb
        And this is very simple, it is enough to return the Soviet system in general.

        Actually, yes, for starters, to recognize the events of December 1991 as unconstitutional, as the Prosecutor General’s Office sometimes likes to do, but even if such a hypothetical option is allowed, there must be a process of reconfiguration of the USSR
  4. ivanovbg
    ivanovbg 17 July 2015 06: 25
    +13
    And here is one more news, since April of this year:

    Sunday schools at Moscow churches open points for free preparation for school final exams for the exam and state graduate school for children from low-income families. Parishioners and teachers of one of the Moscow churches have already begun to prepare schoolchildren for passing the Unified State Exam.


    The idea itself is wonderful. But if there is nowhere to prepare for the EGE for children from low-income families, except for Sunday parish schools, then it is obvious that the state is in full swing.
    1. My address
      My address 17 July 2015 10: 45
      +4
      hi Ivan!
      If I'm not mistaken, 7th grade, 1960. A lesson in mathematics, our Sophia declares: "A math circle is opening at school. 7" c "participates in it completely." She was a domineering person and always achieved her goal. In the circle she gave us elements: similarity theory, statistics, number theory. That is, ABOVE THE PROGRAM. She quite rightly believed that mathematics develops brains and developed, despite our discontent. There were also similar circles in physics, chess, sports sections. Naturally, everything is free.

      My school, technical and institute teachers in many ways taught how to think, and not only gave knowledge. But all were patriots of the country! Of course, they were not very much among them, but then it was believed that to be a mediocre teacher was how dirty it was to get into a museum ... How do you feel - after the eighth grade, go to the technical school and immediately enroll in the 11 class of the school for working youth? And after what to do not go somewhere, but to the Mechanics and Engineering Department? And all thanks to the enthusiasts in school and college!

      And now the main task of the teachers is to get the USE, I know it from my grandchildren. We have two main problems at the top - isolation from the people and irresponsibility.
  5. Zomanus
    Zomanus 17 July 2015 06: 26
    +23
    The degradation is coming. And all because in our country we treat very smart people like ... fools. That is, such a freak lives, do not understand what he is doing. They also pay him money for this. But he would have been in the workshop, in open-hearth, in the mine ... And, apparently, this attitude with us passes from the bottom to the ministries. Accordingly, now most students need to learn the first 4-5 classes, then the PC and 1С courses. One fig, beyond ordinary clerk-manager, they will not go anywhere. By the way, our attitude towards workers is no better. They delve into Mr. pennies when they could go to work as clerks-managers. Distortions in the minds, distortions in the social sphere. And while it will not be purely profitable for scientists or workers to work (housing, housing, and housing again), nothing will change.
    1. RU-Officer
      RU-Officer 17 July 2015 06: 48
      +9
      That's right, dear "Zomanus" ... crying
      And to this day you hear around you from the "conventional sapiens", not burdened with intelligence, all the same sacramental: "What are you, the smartest ?!" belay
      The hedgehog understands that "cream" comes to such Olympiads. It's a shame that the control over the process of "making domestic cream" has become completely controlled by "kind foreign partners." And nothing personal - just business ... fool
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 July 2015 19: 45
      0
      And if the worker wants to get more, he begins to slowly go about his business.
  6. Trailer
    Trailer 17 July 2015 06: 38
    +4
    The USE will not be canceled, because the preparation of such tests is very, very good money. And why did they increase the nomenclature of the items handed over? Because you can come up with more test questions.
    1. VP
      VP 17 July 2015 07: 14
      +3
      The exam will not be canceled for the reason that the overwhelming majority of critics of the exam did not see and not a single ticket with the exam and their criticisms, to put it mildly, are off topic.
      Well, come on, tell us how it is elementary to "guess the answer" using the example of these tasks from the exam
      http://fizolimpiada.ru/c5-fizika.html
      1. Kuts
        Kuts 17 July 2015 11: 20
        0
        In 2001 he passed the final exam - the Unified State Exam in Mathematics (course of algebra and the beginning of analysis). Examinations in the USE format were held in 4 regions (it was an experiment). Mandatory for all graduates was one subject - mathematics, three more to choose from (they could take in the USE format and / or in their school the old fashioned way. So, this exam determined the real knowledge of students, including mine. At school for mine. " minor mistakes "teachers closed their eyes giving marks 5 and rarely 4. And these mistakes (mixed up - and +, put a comma in the wrong place) make the result of solving examples and problems incorrect, which is not acceptable in the technical field.
        I repeat: the Unified State Exam reflects the real knowledge of students, of course, provided that the assignment contains examples and tasks that were not used when "training" on the Unified State Exam.
        Well, I also want to write. During the final exam of the Unified State Exam, I was not in a stressful state, and during the entrance exam in physics, my most adored subject, I was "not childishly sausage." I solved the problem for a friend (I passed the exam with me) correctly, but I did not solve my FIVE times correctly, and only when I handed over the sheet with incorrect answers to the examiner, a revelation came to me in the form of a correct solution, but it was too late. And after 6 years after the exam, I realized that trembling in the body and confused thoughts are stress.
  7. perm23
    perm23 17 July 2015 07: 01
    +1
    Yes, ashamed. But as always, we ourselves are to blame for everything. We ourselves shouted about bribes at universities, about gifts from teachers, etc. They themselves gave these bribes. So they stepped on their own rake. I studied at school and at the institute. Normally, he didn’t wear bribes to anyone. . So we get the elite of society. Yes, we’ll have to invite the Chinese, we ourselves can only twist the nuts and stand sellers.
  8. VP
    VP 17 July 2015 07: 06
    +5
    For some reason I didn’t understand the reasons for pulling out the hairs on my head ...
    Every year there are a large number of different world championships and Olympics in mathematics for students. Pointed Thai is just one of those. At different championships, our students occupy different places, including becoming champions both individually and in teams. With the participation of the same teams from the USA, China, Great Britain, France, etc.
    Specifically for this IMO, Russia took gold medals last year and for some reason there were no articles "ah, damn exam!"
    What exactly is the problem? And why, according to the results of the Thai matolypiada, did it disappear?
    And in general, what does the exam have to do with such olympiads at which schoolchildren studying in lyceums with in-depth study of the Physics and Mathematics and generally not bothering with the exam.
    1. pklimov
      pklimov 17 July 2015 07: 33
      +2
      I think, due to the increasingly apparent tendency to worsen the average ability to (atypical) solution of atypical problems, which is growing as a result of the introduction of the exam. That there were no bribes, it is necessary to fine / dismiss / impose, and not to introduce leveling.
      1. VP
        VP 17 July 2015 07: 45
        +1
        Did you take your graduation exam?
        Tell me, were there many non-standard tasks?
        For example, open the USE assignments, even in physics, at least in mathematics, and compare Part C with those assignments that were then offered for solution to schoolchildren.
        1. pklimov
          pklimov 17 July 2015 07: 54
          +2
          yes, ordinary, in the USSR there was no exam, :-)
          the point is not in the exam as such, but in the fact that according to it teachers are required to have indicators so that as many people pass as possible - in Kazakhstan, the same is now the case with the Kazakh analogue - UNT (Unified National Testing). Accordingly, teachers give students and emphasize not tasks that develop analysis skills, but develop what is most likely to be found on the exam. in addition, is it correct to compare the pupils of special schools with the secondary program in Ust-Uryupinsk (c)? after all, the reason for the angry tone is the decrease in the "general temperature in the hospital" as a result of this approach. as one of the manifestations of which the not very successful performance at the Olympics is described.
      2. Cat man null
        Cat man null 17 July 2015 07: 56
        +3
        Automated tests are evil. From the time of the institute - this was how access to the lab was made, for example. From a group of 3 people - one of them decided to love. Not even preparing much.

        Tests are evil.

        Quote: VP
        Did you take your graduation exam?

        Well, yes, yes .. in 1979 there were no other options laughing

        Quote: VP
        Tell me, were there many non-standard tasks?

        There were stupidly no tickets .. not like "typical tasks".

        I came to take it - think with your head, tell me what I learned in 10 years ..

        Somehow
        1. VP
          VP 17 July 2015 08: 18
          +5
          Believe me, they have nothing to do with the admission tests on the USE lab.
          These are not tests. They were tests at the time of introduction, now this is a very serious exam. In fact, the choice is only in part A. But the tasks of this part are rated low and it is unrealistic to get a normal result on them.
          I myself was very skeptical about the exam after reading critics.
          Until my senior became a graduate and I did not delve into what it is.
          Believe me, in order to pass the exam, you need to know at least not less than what was required to pass graduation with ordinary tickets in 4 tasks.
          And last year, the same damned Livanov went further - the leading universities received a threshold for USE scores in subjects below which they are not allowed to accept at all. Even the payers, benefit recipients and other "target groups" which closed a huge gap. Second, they introduced a limit on beneficiaries. Not so long ago, in prestigious universities, more than half of the group consisted of just these benefit recipients and target groups, who displaced much stronger children upon admission. Now they have entered their own competition.
          For some mother working somewhere in the mayor's office does not have any problems organizing the direction of her child for training on the "targeted order of the mayor's office." Or ministries. Or a "solid organization". In the span there were children who did not have such curly parents.
          It got ridiculous when some city hall made an order to train oil workers)
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 17 July 2015 11: 52
            +1
            Quote: VP
            Believe me, to pass the exam you need to know at least not less than what was required to pass graduation with regular tickets in 4 tasks

            I solved the test exam ... despite the fact that I completely forgot everything - chemistry, physics - the percentage of hits - on a solid 4 ..

            It didn’t lie next to the exams that I took at Moscow State University, for example, .. entrance, yes ..

            fellow
  9. rosarioagro
    rosarioagro 17 July 2015 07: 06
    0
    "... the national team has not won a single award of the highest standard! Not a single one! .. Moreover, in the overall team classification the Russian national team for the first time in history has not even entered the top twenty strongest teams"

    "-This is some kind of shame!" (C) Shvonder
  10. siberalt
    siberalt 17 July 2015 07: 13
    +18
    A country without ideology, education is controlled by all sorts of Fursenki and Livanov. What else do we want?
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 17 July 2015 08: 22
      +3
      As long as the children grow up abandoned by their parents as strangers to aunts and uncles, this will continue.
      Quote: siberalt
      What else do we want?

      Dough, dough and again dough !!! And the children ... let them be taught by professionals who have problems with their children.
    2. vladimir_krm
      vladimir_krm 17 July 2015 11: 48
      +1
      The most offensive is that this Livanov is the son of the late General Designer of KB Ilyushin. Looks like there was no time for the super-busy dad to bring up his son :(
      1. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 17 July 2015 13: 02
        +2
        Quote: vladimir_krm
        The most offensive is that this Livanov is the son of the late General Designer of KB Ilyushin
        And Rogozin’s nephew.

        But the introduction of the Unified State Examination was not claimed by Livanov, or even by the lake-cooperative Fursenko.
  11. 1536
    1536 17 July 2015 07: 23
    0
    On the other hand, the USE results "increased" in Moscow alone. And precisely in mathematics. And, in general, "we will not give up the USE, because the whole world is using this trend." Perhaps the Olympics have already outlived their usefulness. It is a pity that our heads of educational departments do not rule the scale of education throughout the world.
    1. VP
      VP 17 July 2015 07: 37
      +2
      Tell me plz how on the olympiad collection studying somewhere at the physics and physics school of Moscow State University the exam is reflected, how it spoils his life and reduces his knowledge.
      And why last year, when at the same MMO, Russian schoolchildren took 3 gold and 3 silver USE did not interfere, and now suddenly sharply mixed in?
  12. Alex66
    Alex66 17 July 2015 07: 25
    +6
    As Dimon said, the Minister of Education is not a ruble to please everyone. He likes it, Putin probably also likes everything good.
    1. rosarioagro
      rosarioagro 17 July 2015 07: 29
      0
      Quote: Alex66
      the Minister of Education is not a ruble to please everyone. He likes it, Putin probably also likes everything good.

      Well, yes "there is my opinion and stupid"
  13. yegor_k
    yegor_k 17 July 2015 07: 40
    0
    Yes, the Unified State Exam helps children from ordinary families, from the Russian hinterland, to enter universities located in large cities without any problems.

    What a fright? For rural areas there is a border in the number of points that can be scored, therefore, on the contrary, it is very difficult to get into the university from the region. Under the old system, if you didn’t do it, come back the next year and do it again, but can you pass the exam?
    1. VP
      VP 17 July 2015 07: 50
      +3
      Probably it means that before the people from the hinterland were snapping off the admissions commissions who were gods and could drag in the needed and cut "come in large numbers" regardless of the level of knowledge.
      Contest of purses and connections in which those who "from the hinterland" lost.
      It is the excommunication of university employees from this very greasy feeder that causes the greatest bathhert.
      But the stupidity in the current system, I see one thing - you can not give the opportunity to submit documents to the cloud of universities at the same time.
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      2. siberalt
        siberalt 17 July 2015 15: 07
        +2
        Previously, for those from the hinterland, a demobilization with 2 years or more work experience, quotas were set. And no one dared to violate them. More - please, less than no! Mass bribery began in the era of Gorbachev perestroika and further along Yeltsin.
  14. IAlex
    IAlex 17 July 2015 07: 47
    +4
    "Apparently, soon, for the calculations, you will have to buy not only Chinese and American computers, but also" subscribe "the Chinese themselves to help you figure it out ..." - not soon, but they are already being discharged from Chinese factories for training, installation and adjustment of lines, computers and software.

    Well, in fact, what did you want, in the distant 90s and 2000s, they also taught me that at school, at the institute, to a question like "what is an integral in the physical sense, because mathematics is a structured and repeatable description of logic in relation to some problem? " three times the teachers answered me: "Mathematics is a foreign language, you learn formulas and then you use them to solve problems, but it is pointless to understand the essence." As a result, I learned it - I entered the institute and forgot, I unlearned it in the institute - and only toga understood how it was necessary to apply it, and in my head there is a continuous donut hole, because everything that is memorized, and not understood, is very quickly forgotten ...

    And what to take from modern education, if a good man in Russian writes the word "kasmanafft" as it sounds, and at first I thought it was a slip of the tongue like youth slang, but after this word was encountered for the third time in a row, it became obvious that I was probably I don't understand much about modern education ...
  15. Goodrv
    Goodrv 17 July 2015 07: 53
    +6
    Not being a winner of the All-Russian Olympiads, but being a winner of the zonal / regional (physics, mathematics), I will say: the article is so ... The exam system is not related to the Olympiads, because assignments at such events are indirectly related to the general education program (certainly 20 years ago). Do not confuse a person’s education (state branch) with a level of knowledge and a desire to learn (family, environment). But it is undoubted (for me) that a difficult (catastrophic) social situation impedes the development of the individual (available high-quality books, circles, sections).
  16. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 17 July 2015 08: 01
    +2
    Today they didn’t conquer, tomorrow they won, the day after tomorrow they didn’t conquer again, etc. Why beat drums? Or do you think that any battle (competition) can be won? lol
  17. RiverVV
    RiverVV 17 July 2015 08: 03
    +4
    It's not about education. My daughters, for example, like judo - well, God be with her, with math. Smart children are full. There is a joke in another: Thailand. Children of officials and thieves traveled with their parents at a public expense to relax. Why the hell are some problems to solve? And if in Hawaii the Olympics were held, then there would not have been a single student there under the age of 30.
  18. Stelth1985
    Stelth1985 17 July 2015 08: 18
    -4
    He laughed heartily. This is the science of our entire dumb population. Do not want to understand for good, the Gods will teach everyone kicks in the ass!
    1. Victorio
      Victorio 17 July 2015 14: 49
      0
      Quote: Stelth1985
      He laughed heartily. This is the science of our entire dumb population. Do not want to understand for good, the Gods will teach everyone kicks in the ass!

      =====
      masochist you however laugh because The gods will teach everyone kicks in the ass!
      1. morozik
        morozik 17 July 2015 16: 39
        0
        in our country, life begins with a podzhopnik in the hospital ... therefore, until they kick, they don’t stir a fig - a habit, Mlyn
  19. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 17 July 2015 08: 20
    +1
    If it were not for the Unified State Examination, the guys from the villages would have to pass exams at universities on a common basis. And this is real genocide. Now they act easily and naturally, without any corruption.
    1. VP
      VP 17 July 2015 09: 17
      +1
      They have never had any problems with admissions, as in the auls they know very well that the members of the selection committee need to be "respected".
  20. Bort radist
    Bort radist 17 July 2015 08: 26
    +4
    And if it came down to the “muck” in the mathematical field,
    Dashing conclusion on one Olympiad. Who are the judges? Of course, I’m not saying that everything is wonderful in the field of education. Do not hang all the dogs on the exam. There is a problem lying in a slightly different area. The friend is engaged in children's football. So, in order to show the promising boy to the capital's club. Parents paid very good money for the kid to watch and the plane ticket at their own expense. Then he found out that in international competitions, we have the same approach. Children win olympiads in mathematics and in order for a child to be trained and tens of hundreds of thousands must be paid to the national team. So not the best go there. Which also does not please.
    1. 6 inches
      6 inches 17 July 2015 08: 55
      +4
      but this is true. the tribe is engaged in figure skating. there is no money to personally train the coach, at least 7 spans in the forehead will be unpromising.
  21. valokordin
    valokordin 17 July 2015 08: 34
    +2
    Mind, no, they studied in Moscow (Mih. Evdokimov)
  22. Gromm
    Gromm 17 July 2015 08: 35
    0
    Our people are happy with everything, and the extinction of the population and drunkenness and poverty and devastation and unemployment. But what? All the way through, the plan to dull and reduce the population is overfulfilled!
  23. AID.S
    AID.S 17 July 2015 08: 37
    +1
    Plus, in the absence of entrance exams to educational institutions after school. If you have real knowledge and brains, then there will be an appropriate score and the choice of the appropriate educational institution.
  24. VP
    VP 17 July 2015 08: 38
    0
    Quote: RiverVV
    Children of officials and thieves traveled with their parents at a public expense to relax. Why the hell are some problems to solve?

    Are you sure about that ?
    Not to mention that traveling to Tai is accessible to many children of ordinary people, Tai, as it were, is not at all the limit of dreams for thieves to make fuss like that. This is a low-cost destination for plebs like Turkey.
    1. Koshel2901
      Koshel2901 17 July 2015 10: 10
      0
      did you even understand what you said, patrician?
      1. RiverVV
        RiverVV 17 July 2015 10: 17
        +1
        Some clever words ... some sort of "low-cost" ... But in our opinion, in a simple way: for free and sweet vinegar.
  25. wadim13
    wadim13 17 July 2015 08: 43
    +5
    Last year, my daughter took the ZNO (Ukrainian equivalent of the Unified State Exam). After reading the questions, I was surprised. I realized that for successful testing it is enough just to diligently memorize a certain amount of material. And that's all. No complications. Just cramming. On the other hand, I remember when I entered a Soviet institute and passed an oral exam, I solved one problem incorrectly. There was just a topic that was not even taught in a rural school. And in the additional literature, I somehow did not intersect with this issue. So the examiner suggested solving the problem with him. Everything worked out quickly. And with the words: "We need people with quick reactions, not cramps," he gave me a good grade. In the written version of the exam, I would have ended up flying. I believe that in eradicating the corruption component, oral examinations are the most important element of professional selection.
  26. imugn
    imugn 17 July 2015 08: 51
    0
    Prohibit the commercialization of educational institutions
  27. Vladimir1960
    Vladimir1960 17 July 2015 09: 03
    +1
    More recently, Putin said that foreign emissaries are combing our schools and universities for talent. Give grants and lure them. The problem is known. And the solutions are not a secret. No one wants to do these. The state system lacks people with an active lifestyle. And if they are, then these are thieves and bribe takers. In the meantime ...

    A magician will arrive suddenly
    In a blue helicopter, .... etc.
  28. buran583
    buran583 17 July 2015 09: 29
    +2
    What Olympiads in mathematics? We build multi-storey houses without a plan and supervision. "Gosudarevo Oko" and other regulatory bodies supervise exactly in those places where you can "cut down" something for rush comments. No one controls private entrepreneurs. Here are fires, buildings are falling. The Unified State Examination does not allow young people to develop. There was a good education, let it be like in Europe, but they forgot that some of our scientists are already conducting development processes there: science, technology, and the economy. And we with "Africa" ​​are becoming In one row. The machine-tool industry and schools were destroyed by themselves. There are no welders, turners, even janitors. And who thinks about it? The workers from the CIS help, but this is when the ruble is highly valued ... And we have to believe that tomorrow will be better than faith!
  29. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 17 July 2015 09: 30
    +1
    I think with this exam the highest score is gained by someone who has a good memory and EVERYTHING!
    Why think when you can remember. Not smart people are needed - obedient ones are needed.
  30. evil partisan
    evil partisan 17 July 2015 09: 59
    +5
    Quote:
    Against this background, a statement of the leaders of the national team of Russian schoolchildren looks like some kind of evil irony ... So, the statement of the leaders of the team looks like this:
    Our guys won 6 silver medals, and we, and they are pleased with the result.

    Dear Alexey! No need to panic! Victories at the mathematical Olympics also depend, as it does not seem strange, and also from the refereeing. So here. Refereeing at such competitions has never favored our teams. It is all the more stupid to expect relief in these times. He knew (and I know, but now rarely intersect) our mathematicians, who conduct the Olympics in our country and participate in the preparation of young mathematicians for the international Olympics. Last time about 2 years ago met. Briefly: a catastrophic drop in the level of applicants entering the Faculty of Mathematics of the University is not observed in connection with the exam. And, the most paradoxical: the number of gifted young people whose talent was discovered precisely thanks to the Olympics has been holding at about the same level for 40 years already! There you go, Alexey!
    Difficulties come after graduation. But that's another topic.
    1. Days
      Days 17 July 2015 10: 32
      +1
      Yes, that's right. The news is harmful and does not reflect reality in any way; below I wrote about the state of other international olympiads.
  31. Koshel2901
    Koshel2901 17 July 2015 10: 07
    0
    Ministry of Education and Science to disband and all to direct the forest to the Kolyma with * y * to
  32. kursk87
    kursk87 17 July 2015 10: 09
    +1
    Very disturbing news! Russian media and public figures are constantly making fun of the American education system, talking about its inconsistency. But the result of IMO suggests the opposite. The introduction of the exam is a big mistake. Now, students are not engaged in obtaining comprehensive knowledge, but are preparing for the exam. The rejection of the traditional Soviet education system, recognized as one of the best in the world in my opinion, is a diversion.
  33. Days
    Days 17 July 2015 10: 29
    +3
    Wrong news from alarmists (or the fifth column) from the "everything is gone!" Firstly, Russia has not taken the first three places at this Olympiad since 2010. The table is here: https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=68829163

    Secondly, at the international programming and linguistic olympiads, the number of victories on the contrary increases. Since 2010, on the linguistic Russia, on the contrary, each year receives a gold medal (only the USA has the same success). In recent years, at ACM / ICPC (programming), Russia has generally gone into an unattainable gap.

    Linguistics: https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=70425129
    Programming: https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=71417341
    1. xoma58
      xoma58 17 July 2015 13: 55
      -1
      Did you draw the table for a long time? You are our optimist. People correctly sound the alarm. Only a blind person may not notice a drop in the level of education.
      1. Days
        Days 17 July 2015 16: 38
        +2
        Did you draw a screenshot? Yes, for a long time, I spent about 5 seconds. Already sweated all over. The screenshot from Wikipedia can be checked at this link (archive of all Olympiads): http://icpc.baylor.edu/community/history

        You are our all-consuming man. It is always necessary to improve weapons, education, and indeed to move forward. And lamenting "everything is gone", operating only with emotions and phrases "yes, everyone understands it! 11", you go along the path of svidomity ukrov.
  34. provincial
    provincial 17 July 2015 10: 34
    0
    It’s okay, we’ll get bronze for the inheriting Olympiad.
  35. tokens2
    tokens2 17 July 2015 10: 43
    0
    And why do we need all these international ones?
    What would then be the whole staff in the USA?
    Putin said correctly.
    the West is literally jackal in all schools (not only Russia) in search of talent.
    The Yankees themselves do not want to form their own people. Apparently they consider this a futile occupation. laughing
    1. רישון
      רישון 17 July 2015 11: 10
      -2
      Have you ever been to the states, expert?
      1. tokens2
        tokens2 17 July 2015 14: 39
        0
        רישון
        Have you ever been to the states, expert?

        intellectual? science fiction writer?
        quickly "emigrate" into the skull laughing
        but I realized. a lover of fast chess.
        declared himself and dumped.
  36. gridasov
    gridasov 17 July 2015 10: 45
    +1
    As far as I know, there is a whole direction in mathematics that has development in the USA, but is not paid attention to in Russia. But they are going in a logical direction. True, they themselves do not know this yet, because they do not see the goal. But it is a matter of time before they reach a certain level and the picture becomes obvious. Well, the Russians will catch up. But this is a breakthrough in the analysis of highly dynamic processes both in continuous media and plasma and in the analysis of any big data and information flows.
  37. yastr
    yastr 17 July 2015 11: 03
    +2
    The first thing that comes to mind in this regard, of course, is the exam system. Yes, the Unified State Exam helps children from ordinary families, from the Russian hinterland, to enter universities located in large cities without any problems.


    The author is mistaken here. In the outback, secondary education is much better than in these largest cities, where everything is measured by money, not conscience.
    1. Days
      Days 17 July 2015 13: 49
      +1
      The author is not mistaken, the author deliberately distorts the facts and deliberately spreads the standard liberal myths "everything is bad in Russia."
  38. רישון
    רישון 17 July 2015 11: 03
    -3
    Almost all the Jews left, that's the result
    1. evil partisan
      evil partisan 17 July 2015 11: 06
      +3
      Quote: רישון
      Almost all 4 Jews left

      And what is this subspecies of Jews: "4 Jews" ?? 4-valent, or what?
      1. רישון
        רישון 17 July 2015 11: 09
        -4
        Key Almost everyone left. So scribe Raschke
    2. Alex66
      Alex66 17 July 2015 11: 11
      +3
      And what place did the Israeli team take at the Olympics?
      1. רישון
        רישון 17 July 2015 11: 15
        -5
        It is important that almost everyone in the winning teams are Jews.
        1. Days
          Days 17 July 2015 11: 26
          +2
          Yeah, and Svidomo Ukrainians think that all the winners are Ukrainians, and that almost everything in the world was built and opened by Ukrainians.

          It is not in vain that we are proud of Russia, if everything is rowed so briskly on Russian glory (especially small countries that have achieved relatively little). Continue in the same spirit.
          1. רישון
            רישון 17 July 2015 11: 48
            -6
            On Raska and its idiots residents laugh
            1. Tambov Wolf
              Tambov Wolf 17 July 2015 14: 27
              0
              Sir, how have you wandered to this site? You need a dill censor, there they scatter rashkas.
        2. Alex66
          Alex66 17 July 2015 12: 04
          +1
          No, their mentality is not Jewish and they do not think in Jewish. So what place did the Israeli team take in the math competition?
        3. Shaitan_by
          Shaitan_by 17 July 2015 12: 44
          +6
          The American team has 2 Chinese, a Hindu and not a single Jew.
          https://www.imo-official.org/team_r.aspx?code=USA&year=2015
          China, Korea, Vietnam ... Somehow Jews are not visible.
          Austria, the Chinese, the islanders, and Ilia Kucherov does not look like a Jew.
          Canada, not a single European at all, Chinese, etc.
          Where is Israel? 40th place. Although we must pay tribute. 1 gold and 2 bronzes.

          Let's open the table of personal results.
          https://www.imo-official.org/year_individual_r.aspx?year=2015&column=total&order
          = desc
          Dor Shmoish - gold 27th place.
          But the first 26 places are not similar to Jews.

          Therefore, we conclude that you are engaged in verbiage and incitement to hatred of the Jewish people, and judging by the American flag, also to America.
  39. epron
    epron 17 July 2015 11: 06
    +1
    The exam is such a cunning plan for the struggle of the liberals with the drain of young brains abroad from Russia. wassat
    1. רישון
      רישון 17 July 2015 11: 07
      -4
      But the brain does not flow away. Brains in a huge stream of felled from Russia
      1. Days
        Days 17 July 2015 11: 32
        +1
        We continue to discuss the myths of the fifth column :)
        http://ruxpert.ru/Эмиграция_из_России
        1. רישון
          רישון 17 July 2015 11: 47
          -4
          Well, putinoid create such crazy pages on wikis. And the joy is back. 300 thousand a year before the attack on Ukraine, and for half of 2015 already 250 thousand left forever.
  40. W stock
    W stock 17 July 2015 11: 19
    -2
    Our bureaucrats all consider themselves great reformers. Most of the reforms are done only for the purpose of personal enrichment. How? But very simple. They came up with the exam, it is necessary to equip the premises for examinations with video cameras, and other security systems. They lobbied for the interests of video camera manufacturers. The law on the mandatory installation of GLONAS systems and tachographs on cars, again manufacturers of this wonderful technology are happy. And so wherever you throw.
  41. pofigisst74
    pofigisst74 17 July 2015 11: 20
    +2
    The road from "Domodedovo" to the M4 highway is 6,97 km long. will be built for 13,2 billion rubles. That is, 1 millimeter of the road costs 1.897 rubles. Why do the authorities need people who can count? request
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 17 July 2015 12: 21
      0
      They know how to count, only in their pocket. It is they, the greedy little people in power, who are building all these roads, whacking nowhere for our country. How long?
  42. 1234567890
    1234567890 17 July 2015 12: 03
    0
    Here's how, but I like the argument of supporters of the exam on the fight against corruption. Schools are at least an order of magnitude larger than universities. The system is always imperfect, there are always some loopholes, especially in the beginning. Cool invented - 10 or more times to increase the number of objects of operational services, which certainly certainly can not be blocked by any forces.
  43. NordUral
    NordUral 17 July 2015 12: 20
    0
    The labors of the liberals are bitter. It is time to tie up with them and the liberal economy, until they are completely degraded.
  44. Shaitan_by
    Shaitan_by 17 July 2015 12: 20
    +6
    A mixture of truth, lies and incorrect conclusions.

    The team took 8th place, so you can not say that she was not in the top twenty.
    Three guys scored 25 points, that is, they did not have one point each to gold.

    About the exam.
    The Olympics are written by some, doing the Olympiads for years, and the Unified State Exam is written by others, so there is no connection between the Unified State Exam and the lack of gold.
    Regarding comments in the selection of participants.
    My son joined the team and participated in the 50th (Germany) and 51th (Kazakhstan) Olympiads, so I know how difficult the selection is. Six out of 30 people for 3 weeks were chosen, and the children plowed for wear from morning to evening without days off, solving problems and earning points. According to the points, they then chose 6 main and one spare.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 19 July 2015 17: 00
      0
      You just look at the statistics of the olympiads of the Soviet period. Then draw a conclusion.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 19 July 2015 17: 17
      0
      Add: http://www.imo-official.org/results.aspx
      1. Days
        Days 20 July 2015 23: 06
        0
        And I will also add to you a list of some school / student olympiads and other intellectual competitions, where the Russian team took 1st or 2nd place (took from a recent post http://sdelanounas.ru/account/user78/):

        World Programming Championship, 2011:
        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/5865/

        World Geography Championship 2011:

        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/6473/

        International Natural Science Olympiad, 2011:

        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/11458/

        36th Team World Championship in Computer Programming, 2012:

        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/17537/

        53rd International Mathematical Olympiad, 2012:

        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/19588/

        International Olympic competitions in robotics, 2012:

        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/20149/

        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/20022/

        International Olympiad in Informatics, 2012:

        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/22896/

        World Programming Championship 2012:

        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/23191/

        International Olympiad in Astronomy, 2012:

        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/24158/

        International Olympiad in Natural Sciences, 2012:

        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/26135/

        World Mind Games, 2013:

        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/32301/

        International Olympiad in Informatics, 2013:

        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/36817/

        International Mathematics Olympiad, 2013

        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/37928/

        International Chemistry Olympiad, 2013:

        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/38899/

        International Astronomical Olympiad, 2013:

        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/42071/

        International Robotics Olympiad, 2013

        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/43730/

        2014 World Programming Championship

        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/50748/

        International Physics Olympiad, 2014

        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/51433/

        All-China Women's Mathematical Olympiad, 2014

        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/52030/

        International Chemical Olympiad, 2014,

        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/51868/

        International Astronomical Olympiad, 2014

        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/54402/

        International Natural Sciences Olympiad, 2015

        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/57070/

        Asian Open Robotics Championship 2015

        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/59732/

        International Competition for Young Scientists and Engineers ISEF, 2015

        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/62580/

        2015 World Programming Championship

        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/62695/

        International Physical Olympiad for schoolchildren, 2015

        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/65309/
  45. aud13
    aud13 17 July 2015 12: 57
    +3
    Our children are smart.
    But adults who live in a strange (foreign) mind - it seems not very.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 19 July 2015 17: 18
      0
      Maybe they are not smart, but vile - that's for sure.
  46. Mostovik
    Mostovik 17 July 2015 13: 48
    0
    When were smart people needed in Russia? Correctly. Here and nefig to cook them, anyway they will go abroad.
    Here is the news on the topic, who needs smart people in Russia:
    "The prosecutor's office demands to jail a young scientist for 11 years for the purchase of a solvent for solar panels"
    Yandex will find further.
  47. Fox
    Fox 17 July 2015 14: 19
    +1
    c'mon to drive you to the minobr! my neighbor studied in the USA as a dental technician (mother with grandmothers) ... she studied for 3 years ... then she came on vacation and told her mother: -
    I won’t go there anymore! I became stupid there like Americans, even forgot what I taught at school, I will finish my studies in Russia. Yes, I already sold the car (in America, she drove an acura).
    I’ve already finished my studies in Russia. So, the minobru still has a place to turn around.
  48. xoma58
    xoma58 17 July 2015 14: 36
    +3
    It's okay. The policy of "United Russia" to destroy the people in action. These bourgeois do not need smart slaves, the slave must be stupid. So we are producing victims of the exam. Read modern textbooks, a normal person cannot understand what is written in them, this is the style of presentation. One gets the impression that they are specially written in such a way that they would release uneducated people and discourage young people from reading any desire at all.
  49. Diviz
    Diviz 17 July 2015 15: 15
    0
    Ege is a cycle of dough and a mixture of people in Russia. It's like accountants patch holes for reporting their papers. There is no ideology - there are managers or everything about money.
  50. SAA
    SAA 17 July 2015 15: 49
    0
    Got it. And when we were proud that our daughter was in a math class. Now everything has been abolished. It's a pity.