Media: a shootout between planes of the Greek and Turkish Air Force

The AirNews portal reports that the day before there was an incident in the airspace of Greece over the Aegean Sea. According to the portal, six Turkish Air Force planes, two of which carried weapons, violated the borders of Greek airspace several times. The fighters of the Greek Air Force were raised to intercept. If you believe airnews, then there was a "skirmish" between Turkish and Greek planes. Who opened fire first is not reported.

As a result, Turkish aircraft left the airspace of the Greek state.

It should be recalled that both Turkey and Greece are members of the North Atlantic military bloc (NATO), and according to the charter of the alliance itself must be allies to each other. However, the case of Greece and Turkey is one of those in which differences within the bloc have manifested themselves for several decades. For example, the problem of Northern Cyprus has not been settled between the Turks and Greeks, for example. In addition, Greece at one time began building a wall on the border with Turkey as a barrier for Turkish migrants.

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[Decathlon]

Well, NATO and discipline!

[Vadim Skeptic]

One thing I don’t understand is why Turkey is suddenly climbing into all the holes? Now to Syria, now to Greece. Does she think a lot about herself?

[tronin.maxim]

Probably wants to take advantage of the moment while the neighbors are weak.

[Serg 122]

Quote...
I don’t understand one thing - why does Turkey suddenly climb into all the holes? Now to Syria, now to Greece

A bit of history:

The Lausanne Peace Treaty was signed between Turkey on the one hand and the allies and Greece on the other in 1923, according to which Greece and the Entente countries completely abandoned their claims to Western Anatolia and Eastern Thrace.
About one and a half million Greeks were forcibly evicted from Turkey in exchange for the eviction (also forced) of 600 Muslims from Greece. The losses of the completely defeated Greek army exceeded 000 thousand killed and 40 thousand wounded. Hundreds of thousands of civilians were also killed. Material losses did not lend themselves to accounting at all. All this allowed the Greeks to call the events of the autumn of 50 the Asia Minor catastrophe.
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So they have been "friends" there for a long time ...

[Grandfather bear]

Let them fire each other!
"One less, and that is joy!"

[Vadim Skeptic]

In accordance with NATO rules - upon joining there should be no mutual claims between the participants or candidates.

[twigs]

Turks dream of the Ottoman Empire again.

[prosto_rgb]

Quote: Decathlon

Well, NATO and discipline!

It is what it is.
It would be interesting to watch a video of this "shootout".

[vm68dm]

something like this. from 0.40

[atalef]

Quote: Decathlon

Well, NATO and discipline!

It would be great if the respected author would give a link to the original, the shopping mall did not pass this infa anywhere, including me (being in Cyprus) and listening to the news, I did not hear anything about it (and I think in Cyprus it would be something like this paid at least half a line of news)

[bif]

Quote: atalef

would give a link to the original

Some kind of fake article ... If there was a shootout, then where are the hit and screams of the affected country ... Or NATO has lost all accuracy.

[bif]

Quote: atalef

would give a link

http://www.airlive.net/2015/07/breaking-formation-of-six-turkish.html

[222222]

Routine Turkish violation of Greek airspace Routine escort and expulsion of the Turks by Greek Air Force planes There was no information about the shooting
"Six F_16 training flights were conducted in the international airspace of the Aegean Sea. During this mission, our F-16 aircraft was pursued and accompanied by radar for one minute by two F-16 aircraft of the Greek Air Force. altitude to block the route ahead. "
(... from Turkish report)

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: 222222

Routine Turkish violation of Greek airspace Routine escort and expulsion of the Turks by Greek Air Force planes There was no information about the shooting

The Greeks, on the other hand, have the S-300, it was necessary not to send fighters to intercept (an hour of flight of one F-16 would cost $ 23000), but to wait until the Turkish fighters enter Greek airspace and shoot down the S-300.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Decathlon

Well, NATO and discipline!

Erdogan has never grovelled before the United States, unlike the rest of the alliance. Perhaps he understands that NATO needs Turkey more than Turkey's NATO (primarily because of the geographical location of Turkey, the bulk of the alliance countries are in Europe and Scandinavia, in the southeast only Turkey).

[Good cat]

"Greece at one time began building a wall on the border with Turkey as a barrier for Turkish migrants." Are they obsessed with these walls or what? "then there was a shootout between Turkish and Greek planes" and how is that? from personal weapons as in the First World War?

[sanja.grw]

Mixed up, sorry bros

[Bongo]

According to AirNews, there was a firefight between Turkish and Greek planes.

How's that? What does "shootout" mean? There is such a thing "Air battle", or the pilots fired at each other from service pistols.

[Corsair]

Quote: Bongo

What is it like? Wassat What do you mean "shootout"? There is such a thing as "Air battle", or the pilots fired at each other from service pistols.

from service machine guns of large caliber

[RIDIK]

It is already known that there was a positional "air battle" without the use of weapons, including service weapons.

[Altona]

Quote: RIDIK

It is already known that there was a positional "air battle" without the use of weapons, including service weapons.

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By the way, why not aim the S-300 at Turkish fighters? They are also in service with the air defense of Greece ...

[Mountain shooter]

NATO, this is NATO! Now, if they grapple, whom will the rest defend? How funny!

[KERTAK]

Probably, as the USSR at one time brought troops to Czechoslovakia, so it will be introduced only under the pretext "Forcing Democracy and Peace"

[Signal]

I wonder what kind of planes were on both sides? F-16, or Greeks lifted Mirages.

[ALEA IACTA EST]

The Turks will become impudent. They haven't been shoveled for a long time.

[Frigate]

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

The Turks will become impudent. They haven't been shoveled for a long time.

This is something like a warning.
The Turks were most likely ordered by their masters to pacify the manifestation of Greek rebelliousness.

[SPACE]

Quote: Frigate

This is something like a warning.
The Turks were most likely ordered by their masters to pacify the manifestation of Greek rebelliousness.

Yes, they scare, like rushing out of the eurozone, there will be no one to restrain the watchdogs. Here it is, Western democracy and freedom in all its glory, for whom the carrot is for whom.

[Cheshire]

There, many have been asking for a long time, directly pleading. Take the same pshek or pribalts ...

[Comrade Bender]

Checking Hellas for lice, after they agree to the terms of the IMF and riots in the capital.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

By the way, the Greeks are not sickly armed:
Leopard 2A6HEL 170 units
Leopard 2A4 183
Leopard-1 526
M60A1 / A3 208
M48A5 375
M113A1 / A2 1685
M109A1B/A2/A3GEA1/A5 418
and this is only part of the land weapons.
Now the Air Force:

F-16C / D Block 30, 50 "Fighting Falcon" 70
F-16C / D Block52 + "Fighting Falcon" 56
F-16C / D Block52M "Fighting Falcon" 30
Mirage 2000EGM / BGM 17
Mirage 2000-5 Mk.2 5
F-4E PI-2000 Phantom II 34
RF-4E Phantom II 15
A / TA-7Ε / H "Corsair" II 28
Air Defense:
PAC-3 Patriot 36 PU
C-300PMU1 12 launchers
Crotale NG/GR 9 complexes
9K331 "Tor-M1" 4 complexes

[Penetrator]

It should be recalled that both Turkey and Greece are members of the North Atlantic military bloc (NATO), and according to the charter of the alliance itself should be allies to each other.

However ... Soon the mighty "Baltic tigers" will begin to squabble among themselves.

[silverwolf88]

An interesting case ... BUT smacks of mythology ... and of course in the "shootout, not a single animal was hurt" ... but where did they shoot?

[Prokop]

Quote: silberwolf88

An interesting case ... BUT smacks of mythology ... and of course in the "shootout, not a single animal was hurt" ... but where did they shoot?

There was just a skirmish between a cross-eyed Greek and a one-eyed Turk. The result: "fighting draw" everyone is happy.

[Trailer]

War between NATO members - well, God forbid.

[Private Starley]

This will be a pearl, , just imagine the United States, France, Brita and all NATO started the 3rd World War among themselves ...

[Dry_T-50]

Quote: Private Starley

France Brita

But this couple and Hans "love" each other very much

[vkl-47]

The Ottomans added

[MIKHALYCH1]

Something the Turks start to get impudent .. Then they bully in Syria, now Greece! How kites circling smell their prey ...

[pexotinec]

Why, the Turks began to spread their wings and fight, and not only in violation of borders. Or think they are important in this world.

[Mikhail m]

And these "best friends" will command Russian gas for Europe? Interesting parsley is planned. Ukraine will seem like a fairy tale.

[Simon]

Greece needs to leave NATO and one of the EU. In the event of a conflict with Turkey, NATO will not help it, especially now, when there is no stability in Greece itself. We must stay closer to Russia!

[tlauicol]

Will Russia help? Like Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya? Syria, etc. ? Let them figure it out, don't go there

[ARS56]

There are no Russians in Greece, but there is a business interest, which means Russia will help. It helped Abkhazia.

[KERTAK]

Quote: Simon

Greece needs to leave NATO and one of the EU. In the event of a conflict with Turkey, NATO will not help it, especially now, when there is no stability in Greece itself. We must stay closer to Russia!

Perhaps, but if Greece leaves NATO, then all the dogs will be set on it, including Turkey.

[Wolka]

NATO is only on paper, in fact, the members of the bloc are not brothers in arms, each is fighting only for the American piece of the financial pie and solving their problems at the expense of others ...

[akribos]

There, it happens all the time. There was an incident with the use of weapons in 1996, two Greek aircraft intercepted six Turkish F16s and one dropped at sea, in 2006. The Greek pilot rammed the Turk, both planes were killed, unfortunately, the Greek pilot was also killed. The Turks are constantly heating up the situation, although they should have remembered how little Greece in 1922 almost sent Turkey into history, unfortunately this did not correspond to the interests of the great powers. Sincerely.

[V.ic]

Quote: akribos

like little Greece in 1922, almost sent Turkey into history, unfortunately this did not correspond to the interests of the great powers.

Well, yes, if we recall the financial and other assistance of the RSFSR to the regime of Mustafa Kemal in exchange for the neutrality of "new brothers forever" in the annexation of Transcaucasia. Therefore, the Greeks did not succeed.

[33 Watcher]

I have been reading this news for a long time about the violation of air. space, from different sources, but I read about the shootout for the first time ...

[Million]

Shootout? and nobody was shot down?

[chelovektapok]

The Turks decided to check whether the Greek aviation still had money for kerosene. Obviously, the matter was not done without coordination with the NATO command. Greece will now be punished for a long time and demonstratively for "separatism in the EU." It turned out that the entrance to the EU is one euro cent and the exit is one hundred billion euros. But what prospects for a carefree life were promised for free! This is how to gamble with the IMF. The IMF is an international pharmaceutical company without its own funds. They take someone else's, place them at interest, so they live. In the vicinity of Greece, "violent" will still be found in the same former Yugoslavia there are. From there they will soon "tickle" so that hold on, Hellas!

[Leader]

Nonsense journalist! Shootout is from their vocabulary of "professional amateurs".

[Black Colonel]

I remember that Greece was going to buy the S-300 air defense system from Russia. Howl then rose in NAT. Whether I bought it or not, I don’t remember. You could check their functionality.

[akribos]

C300 deployed in Crete (refer to the air defense of Cyprus), Petriot is deployed in mainland Greece.

[loginovich]

Good ally. Curiously, the Turks guessed themselves or the main democrats asked to intimidate.

[RuslanNN]

Quote: Bongo

According to AirNews, there was a firefight between Turkish and Greek planes.

How's that? What does "shootout" mean? There is such a thing "Air battle", or the pilots fired at each other from service pistols.

Counter Strike on housing estate The aircraft displays were played along the way.

[2sila]

Turkey and Greece. EuroDreams. Contrast on the face. If you want to finish the last ration without salt, open up industry, agriculture, trade - join the European Union.

[Serg81]

It seems to me that this is a type of fake. Now Greece has agreed on the issue of debts, plus 90 billion euros are allocated, and now there are rallies in the capital. Nothing distracts the population from problems like an external threat.

[engineer74]

"Everything is curiouser and curiouser ..." (c)
Who knows what the NATO charter says about this?
Or "Article 5" of the Washington Treaty and, therefore, NATO's war against NATO?

[Prussian]

And this is a way out for the Greeks, the Greeks start a war with Turkey, the EU is going to hell, such a mess begins, the Balkans, the Kurds are on fire, ISIS also has no sympathy for the Turkish government, at the exit we can get a completely different configuration of Europe.

[engineer74]

And, as a result, "Putin bring in the troops!"

[mig31]

Orthodox unite !!! It only comes to mind ...

[svb1261]

Mdaaa ... something is not clean here in this whole story ... an obvious provocation from the Turks ... God forbid, it will flare up in Cyprus again ...

[Support]

And why does everyone think that it was a provocation by the Turks? Or maybe the other way around? Don't forget what the media is ... and don't jump to conclusions right away ...

[Denis_469]

Well, let the Greeks fight with the Turks. It will be interesting to see how NATO members (both of them) are able to fight.

[tolmachiev51]

Generally, for such things it is necessary to destroy !!! - because such a story is sure to repeat itself.

[olo]

Quote: Vadim the Skeptic

One thing I don’t understand is why Turkey is suddenly climbing into all the holes? Now to Syria, now to Greece. Does she think a lot about herself?

Turks dream of an empire. Just like the Russians. Sooner or later, these dreams will meet in the steppes of Central Asia. It will be an interesting meeting: Armata vs Altay

[Denis_469]

No, it's not about the empire. The current tension is the result of the last Greco-Turkish war of 1919-1922. It is called the War of Independence in Turkey. Then Greece won and grabbed all the islands from Turkey. The Turks remembered this and began to prepare for their return to Turkey. Therefore, World War II happened. After her, the countries (both) entered NATO, which did not allow them to fight. Now the US is weakening and Turkey has decided to defeat Greece and reclaim the islands in the Aegean. And at the same time a piece of the territory of Turkey that went to Greece as a result of the war of 2-1919.

[TsUS-Air Force]

and this is good and this is great (sarcastically rubbing with little hands)

[Hairy Siberian]

If this were true - now according to all the news it would have boomed.

[Denis_469]

Do you still believe in the truthfulness and objectivity of the media? It’s true, but it’s unlikely to be on the news.

[Maxom75]

NATO allies however)))

[Hannibal Lecter]

They could not join NATO at all if they have territorial differences. NATO is already rotting inside.)

[IAlex]

Teachings :))))))

[gladysheff2010]

Quote: olo

Turks dream of an empire. Just like the Russians. Sooner or later, these dreams will meet in the steppes of Central Asia. It will be an interesting meeting: Armata vs Altay

Don't dream, the meeting will take place, but on the banks of the Rhine , will we fight?

[kplayer]

What's so surprising about that? if it were not for the mass media (mass media and the Internet), if not the history of a good part of the commentators, they would not have known about the centuries-old enmity and clashes of the neighboring "allies" of Greece and Turkey. Even during the existence of the USSR and the Internal Affairs Directorate, the military doctrines of these states were aimed against each other, the main forces of both armies and fleets were concentrated not against the neighboring NRB (People's Republic of Bulgaria), not against the Soviet Transcaucasia and on the Black Sea, the main theater of operations for them should were to become the water area of ​​the Aegean Sea with numerous islands, the northeastern part of the Mediterranean with the islands of Cyprus, Rhodes and Crete, and of course the European part of Turkey (including Istanbul), separated from most of the country by the Sea of ​​Marmara and the Bosphorus and Dardanelles straits.