Military Review

Russian-Indian War in Alaska 1802 - 1805.

39
The conquest of Alaska by the Russian colonists began at the end of the 18th century. Moving south along the mainland coast of Alaska in search of richer fishing grounds, the Russian parties of sea animal hunters were gradually approaching the territory inhabited by Tlingitas, one of the most powerful and formidable tribes of the Northwest coast. The Russians called them Kolosha (Kolyuzha). This name comes from the custom of Tlingit women to insert a wooden plank - a calico into the incision on the lower lip, which is why the lip was stretched and sagged. "Evil of the most predatory animals", "people are murderous and evil", "bloodthirsty barbarians" - Russian pioneers spoke of Tlingits in such terms. And for that they had their own reasons.

By the end of the XVIII century. Tlingits occupied the coast of southeastern Alaska from the Portland Canal Bay in the south to Yakutat Bay in the north, as well as the adjacent islands of the Alexander Archipelago.

The Tlingit country was divided into territorial units - Kuans (Sitka, Yakutat, Khuna, Khutsnuva, Akoy, Stikin, Chilkat, etc.). In each of them there could be several large winter villages where representatives of different clans (clans, Sibs) lived, belonging to two large tribal phratries - Wolf / Eagle and Crow. These clans - Kiksadi, Kagvantan, Deshitan, Tluknahadi, Tekuedi, Nanyayi, etc. - often quarreled among themselves. It was the clan and clan ties that were most significant and strong in Tlingit society.

Russian-Indian War in Alaska 1802 - 1805.


The first clashes between Russians and Tlingits date back to the 1741 year, later there were also minor clashes with the use of weapons.

In 1792, an armed conflict occurred on the island of Hinchinbrook with an uncertain outcome: the head of the industrialist party and the future ruler of Alaska Alexander Baranov almost died, the Indians retreated, but the Russians did not dare to gain a foothold on the island and also sailed to Kodiak Island. The Tlingit warriors were dressed in wicker wooden sacks, moose coats and animal-like helmets (apparently from animal skulls). Armed Indians were mainly cold and throwing weapons.

If during the attack on the party of A. A. Baranov in 1792, the Tlingits did not use firearms, then already in 1794 they had a lot of guns, as well as decent stocks of ammunition and gunpowder.

Peace Treaty with the Indians of Sitka Island


The Russians in 1795 appear on Sitka Island, which was owned by the Tlingit clan Kixadi. Closer contacts began with 1798.

After several minor clashes with small Kiksadi detachments headed by young military leader Katlean, Alexander Andreyevich Baranov makes an agreement with the leader of the Kiksadi tribe, Scoutlelt, to acquire land for building a trading post.

Scoutlelt was baptized, and his name became Michael. Baranov was his chair father. Scoutlelt and Baranov agreed on the assignment of the Kixadis to the Russian part of the land on the shore and the construction of a small trading post at the mouth of the Starrigavan river.

The union between the Russians and the Kiksadi was beneficial to both parties. The Russians patronized the Indians and helped them defend against other warring tribes.

15 July 1799, the Russians began the construction of the fort "St. Michael the Archangel", now this place is called Old Sitka.

In the meantime, the Qiksadis and Deshitans made an armistice — the feud between the Indian clans ceased.

The danger for kiksadi disappeared. Too close connection with the Russians is now becoming too burdensome. Both the Kiksadis and the Russians felt this very soon.

The Tlingit from other clans who visited Sitka after the cessation of hostilities there, mocked its inhabitants and "boasted of their freedom." The largest spat occurred on Easter, however, thanks to the decisive actions of A.A. Baranov, bloodshed was avoided. However, April 22 1800 A.A. Baranov left for Kodiak, leaving the commanding officer V.G. Medvednikov.

Despite the fact that the Tlingit had a rich experience of communication with Europeans, the relationship between Russian settlers and Aboriginal people became increasingly aggravated, which eventually led to a protracted bloody war. However, such a result was by no means just a ridiculous accident or a consequence of the intrigues of insidious foreigners, as these events were not generated by the only natural bloodthirstiness of "ferocious Kolos." On the warpath of war, the Tlingit kuans brought out other, deeper reasons.

Background of war


Russian and Anglo-American merchants had one goal in the local waters, one main source of profit - fur, rye fur. But the means to achieve this was different. The Russians themselves were extracting precious furs, sending parties of Aleuts after them and establishing permanent fortified settlements in the areas of the fishery. Buying skins from the Indians played a secondary role.

Oppositely, due to the specifics of their position, British and American (Boston) merchants acted. They periodically came on their ships to the shores of the Tlingit country, conducted active trade, bought furs and left, leaving the Indians instead of cloth, weapons, ammunition, and alcohol.



The Russian-American company could offer virtually nothing of these goods, so valued by them, to the Tlingit. The Russian ban on the trade in firearms, pushed the Tlingit to even closer ties with the Bostonians. For this trade, the volume of which was constantly increasing, the Indians needed more and more furs. However, the Russians, by their activity, prevented the Tlingit from trading with the Anglo-Saxons.

The active fishing of the sea rye, which led the Russian party, was the cause of the impoverishment of the natural resources of the region, depriving the Indians of their main product in relations with the Anglo-Americans. All this could not but affect the relations of the Indians to the Russian colonists. The Anglo-Saxons actively stirred up their hostility.

Each year, about fifteen foreign vessels were taken out of the possessions of PAK 10-15 thousands of sea otters, which was equal to four years of Russian fishing. Strengthening the Russian presence threatened them with deprivation of profits.

Thus, the predatory fishing of the sea beast, which the Russian-American company launched, undermined the economic well-being of the Tlingit, depriving them of their main goods in profitable trade with the Anglo-American maritime traders, whose inflammatory actions served as a kind of catalyst that accelerated the unfolding of the imminent military conflict. Reckless and rude actions of the Russian industrial enterprises were the impetus for the unification of the Tlingit in the struggle to expel the RAC from their territories.

In the winter of 1802, in Khutsnuvu-Kuan (Father Admiralty), a great council of leaders was held, at which it was decided to start a war against the Russians. The council developed a plan of military operations. It was planned with the onset of spring to gather warriors in Khutsnuva and, after waiting for the fishing party to leave Sitka, attack the fort. The party was scheduled to trap in the Strait of the Dead.

The hostilities began in May 1802 with an attack at the mouth of the Alsek River on the Yakutat fishing party of I.A. Kuskova. The party consisted of 900 native hunters and more than a dozen Russian industrial. The Indian attack after several days of gunfire was successfully repulsed. The Tlingit, seeing the complete failure of their warlike plans, went to the negotiations and concluded a truce.

Tlingit Uprising - the destruction of the Mikhailovsky Fort and the fishing parties of the Russians


After the fishing party of Ivan Urbanov (about 190 Aleuts) left the Mikhailovsky Fort, 26 Russians left on Sitka, six “Englishmen” (American sailors in the service of Russians), 20-30 Kadiaks and about 50 women and children. A small gang under the command of Aleksey Evglevsky and Aleksey Baturin, June 10, went on a hunt to the “distant Sioux stone”. Other inhabitants of the settlement continued to blithely do their daily activities.

The Indians attacked simultaneously from two sides - from the forest and from the side of the bay, having sailed in combat canoes. This campaign was led by the military leader of the Kiksadi, Scoutelt's nephew, and the young leader, Catlian. An armed crowd of Tlingits, numbering about 600 people under the command of the leader of the Sitkins, Scoutletta, surrounded the barracks and opened strong gunfire on the windows. A huge cry from the cape of the bay flotilla fighting canoes on which there were at least 1000 Native American soldiers who immediately joined the Sitkines. Soon the roof of the barracks flared. The Russians tried to shoot back, but could not resist the overwhelming superiority of the attackers: the doors of the barracks were knocked out and, despite the direct fire of the gun standing inside, the Tlingits managed to get inside, kill all the defenders and plunder the furs stored in the barracks

There are various versions of the participation of the Anglo-Saxons in the outbreak of war.

The East Indian captain Barber landed six sailors in 1802 on Sitka Island for allegedly rioting on a ship. They were taken to work in the Russian city.

Having bribed the Indian leaders with weapons, rum and trinkets, during the long winter camp in the Tlingit villages, offering gifts to them if they were driving the Russians from their island and threatening not to sell guns and whiskey, Barber played on the ambition of the young military leader Katleana. The gates of the fort were opened from the inside by American sailors. So, naturally, without warning and explanation, the Indians attacked the fortress. All defenders, including women and children, were killed.

According to another version, the real instigator of the Indians should be considered not the Englishman Barber, but the American Cunningham. He, unlike Barber and the sailors, turned out to be on Sitka clearly not by accident. There is a version that he was devoted to the Tlingit plans, and even participated directly in their development.

The fact that the aliens will be declared responsible for the Sitka catastrophe was originally predetermined. But the reasons that the main culprit was then recognized by the Englishman Barber lie, probably in the uncertainty in which Russian foreign policy was in those years.

The fortress was completely destroyed, and the entire population exterminated. There is still nothing built. Losses for Russian America were significant, for two years Baranov was gathering strength to return to Sitka.

The news of the defeat of the fortress Baranov brought the English captain Barber. On the island of Kodiak, he put 20 guns from the board of his ship - "Unicorn". But, being afraid to mess with Baranov, went to the Sandwich Islands - to trade with the Hawaiians the good that was stolen in Sitka.

A day later, the Indians destroyed almost the entire small party of Vasily Kochesov, who was returning to the fortress from the sea lion's fishery.

Tlingit fueled a special hatred of Vasily Kochesov, the famous hunter, known among the Indians and Russians, as an unsurpassed marksman. The Tlingits called him Gidak, which probably comes from the Tlingit name of the Aleuts, whose blood flowed in the veins of Kochesov - giyak-kwaan (the mother of the hunter was from the Fox Ridge Islands). Having finally gotten the hated archer into their own hands, the Indians tried to make his death, like the death of his comrade, as painful as possible. According to KT Khlebnikov, “the barbarians did not suddenly, but temporarily cut off their nose, ears and other members of their body, stuffed their mouths with them, and maliciously mocked the torments of sufferers. Kochesov ... could not bear the pain for a long time and was happy the cessation of life, but the unfortunate Eglevsky languished for more than a day in terrible agony "

In the same 1802 year: the Indians of Ivan Urbanov (90 kayaks) in the Frederick Strait were attacked by the Indians and attacked on the night from 19 to 20 in June. Hiding in ambush, the warriors of Kuan Kake-Kuyu did not betray their presence and, as KT Khlebnikov wrote, “the party leaders did not notice any troubles or cause for displeasure ... But this silence and silence were forerunners of a severe thunderstorm.” The Indians attacked partovschiki at night and "almost to death they destroyed them with bullets and daggers." 165 Kadiaks perished in the massacre, and it was no less severe a blow to the Russian colonization than the destruction of the Mikhailovsky Fortress.

Russian return to Sitka


Then came 1804 year - the year of the return of the Russians to Sitka. Baranov learned that the first Russian round-the-world expedition set sail from Kronstadt, and was looking forward to the arrival of the Neva in Russian America, while at the same time building a whole fleet of ships.

In the summer of 1804, the ruler of the Russian possessions in America, A.A. Baranov traveled to the island with 150 industrialists and 500 Aleuts on their canoes and with the ships Ermak, Alexander, Ekaterina and Rostislav.

A.A. Baranov ordered the Russian ships to be located opposite the village. For a whole month, he negotiated with the leaders about the extradition of several prisoners and the renewal of the treaty, but all was unsuccessful. The Indians moved from their old village to a new settlement at the mouth of the Indian River.

Began hostilities. In early October, the brigade Neva, commanded by Lisyansky, joined the Baranov flotilla.

After stubborn and prolonged resistance from kolosh, parliamentarians appeared. After the negotiations, the whole tribe was gone.

8 October 1804 was a Russian flag hoisted over an Indian settlement.

Novoarkhangelsk - the capital of Russian America


Baranov occupied the empty village and destroyed it. A new fortress was laid here - the future capital of Russian America - Novo-Arkhangelsk. On the shore of the bay, where the old Indian village stood, on a dais, a fortification was built, and then the house of the Ruler, which the Indians called Baranova Castle.

Only in the autumn of 1805 of the year, an agreement between Baranov and Scoutlelt was re-concluded. The gifts included a bronze double-headed eagle, the Cap of the World, made by the Russians on the model of Tlingit's ceremonial hats, and a blue robe with ermine. But for a long time the Russians and the Aleuts were afraid to go deep into the impassable rainforests of Sitka, this could cost them their lives.


Novoarkhangelsk (most likely the beginning of the 1830-ies.)

Since August Novoarkhangelsk 1808 became the main city of the Russian-American company and the administrative center of the Russian possessions in Alaska and remained it until 1867, when Alaska was sold to the United States.

In Novoarkhangelsk there was a wooden fortress, a shipyard, warehouses, barracks, apartment houses. Here lived 222 Russian and over 1 thousand natives.

The fall of the Russian fort Yakut

20 August 1805, the Ejaki warriors of the Tlahaik-Tekuedi (Tlukhedi) clan, led by Tanuh and Lushvak, and their Tlingit allies from the Kuashkuan clan burned Yakut and killed the Russians who remained there. Of the total population of the Russian colony in Yakutat in 1805, according to official data, 14 Russians died “and there are still many islanders with them,” that is, Allied Aleuts. The main part of the party, together with Demyanenkov, was sunk into the sea by a stormy storm. Then about 250 people died. The fall of Yakutat and the death of Demyanenkov’s party were another heavy blow to the Russian colonies. An important economic and strategic base on the coast of America was lost.

Thus, the armed actions of the Tlingit and Ejac in 1802-1805. significantly weakened the potential of cancer. Direct financial damage reached, apparently, at least half a million rubles. All this for several years stopped the advance of the Russians in a southerly direction along the northwestern coast of America. The Indian threat and further hampered the forces of the RAC in the area of ​​arch. Alexander did not allow to proceed to the systematic colonization of Southeast Alaska.

Confrontation relapses


So, 4 February 1851, an Indian military detachment from r. Koyukuk attacked a village of Indians who lived with a Russian loner (trading post) Nulato on the Yukon. Attack suffered itself loner. However, the attackers were repulsed with damage. The Russians also suffered losses: the head of the trading center Vasily Deryabin died and a company employee (Aleut) and English lieutenant Bernard, who arrived in Nulato from the British military sloop "Enterprise" to search for the missing members of Franklin's third polar expedition, were fatally injured. In the same winter, the Tlingit (Sitka's Koloshi) staged several quarrels and fights with Russians in the market and in the forest near Novoarkhangelsk. In response to these provocations, the main ruler, N. Ya. Rosenberg, declared to the Indians that if the unrest continued, he would order to close the Koloshen market altogether and interrupt any trade with them. The sitkin’s reaction to this ultimatum was unprecedented: the next morning they attempted to capture Novoarkhangelsk. Part of them, armed with guns, sat down in the bushes near the fortress wall; the other, having put the stairs prepared in advance to a wooden tower with cannons, the so-called “Koloshensky battery”, almost captured it. Fortunately for the Russians, the sentries were alert and raised the alarm on time. The armed detachment arriving to the rescue dropped down the three Indians who had already climbed onto the battery, and stopped the rest.

In November, 1855, another incident occurred when several natives captured Andreevsky alone in the lower Yukon. At that time, its manager was here - Kharkov tradesman Alexander Shcherbakov and two Finnish workers who served in the CANCER. As a result of a surprise attack, the canoe-driver Shcherbakov and one worker were killed, and the loner was plundered. Cancer survivor Lavrentiy Keryanin managed to escape and safely get to the Mikhailovsky Redoubt. Immediately the punitive expedition was outfitted, which tracked down the natives who had been hiding in the tundra, who had ravaged Andreevsky alone. They sat down in the drum (an Eskimo half-earth man) and refused to give up. The Russians were forced to open fire. As a result of the shooting, five natives were killed, and one managed to escape.
Originator:
http://hiswar.net/wars-and-battles/85-russko-indejskie-vojny-1802-1805-g-g
39 comments
Ad

Subscribe to our Telegram channel, regularly additional information about the special operation in Ukraine, a large amount of information, videos, something that does not fall on the site: https://t.me/topwar_official

Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. Nehist
    Nehist 19 July 2015 06: 21
    -30
    Here they are little-known facts of the expansion of Russia. You can also read the reports of Atlosawa. No matter how peace-loving we are, but war of conquest also waged contrary to popular belief. It all depended on the political moment. If Europe colonized America and Africa, then Russia Siberia is the Far East and Central Asia!
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 19 July 2015 10: 18
      +27
      Quote: Nehist
      but wars of conquest also fought contrary to popular belief

      What kind of conquest wars? Have you read carefully? The lands were acquired (bought, leased). There was no talk of any seizure. No tribes on the reservation were evicted or exterminated. Otherwise, regular troops would be sent.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 21 July 2015 17: 02
        0
        Quote: Pilat2009
        .No tribes on the reservation were evicted or exterminated. Otherwise, regular troops would be sent.

        "Military operations began. At the beginning of October, the Neva brig, commanded by Lisyansky, joined Baranov's flotilla."
        "Baranov occupied the deserted village and destroyed it."
        "A punitive expedition was immediately set up to track down the natives hiding in the tundra."
        This is all from the article! It looks like you didn’t read very carefully either. Why deny historical facts and pretend to be lamb? Who needs such self-deception?
    2. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 19 July 2015 11: 53
      +9
      Nehist "but aggressive wars were also waged contrary to the prevailing opinion."
      Well, who didn’t wage aggressive wars? Can you give evidence of the extermination of Russian Siberian peoples? Present a list of exterminated tribes?))) And if not, then there is nothing to tear the hair on the head. For a moment, the Russian development of Alaska is the middle of the 18th to the middle of the 19th century. The French won the Boschs all over the guillotines, the British blacks in Africa were caught and sold to the states. I’m silent about the East and the Arabs; the Chinese of the Dzungars exterminated with rapture. About 1 million slammed. And why read Atlasov? This is all known, as well as armed clashes with the Chukchi. And if Europe colonized by its own methods, then Russia colonized Siberia by its own. There were clashes armed and no more, there was no genocide of the local population. Minus is not mine.)))
    3. RUSIVAN
      RUSIVAN 19 July 2015 13: 50
      +5
      Russia colonized Siberia ??? where did you read it, in the Ukrainian media ??? Stop sniffing all sorts of nasty things ... there was the DEVELOPMENT of SIBERIA, not occupied by anyone at that time, and the small nations NOBODY, NEVER expelled, they still live where their ancestors lived and no one has ever colonized their ancestors, they certainly would This is not forgotten.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 21 July 2015 17: 12
        +1
        Quote: RUSIVAN
        Russia colonized Siberia ??? where did you read it, in the Ukrainian media ??? Stop sniffing all sorts of nasty things ... it was the DEVELOPMENT of SIBERIA

        And I heard about the CONQUEST of Siberia by Ermak! smile So Surikov (liberalist?) Also invented ...
        The history of the conquest of Siberia by Yermak begins in 1552, when the Russian army conquered the Kazan Khanate. After that, the Siberian Khanate became the direct neighbor of Russia in the east. In the fall of 1582, after a stubborn assault, during which the entire military cunning of the Cossacks manifested itself brilliantly, the small army of Yermak managed to take the main fortification of Kuchum Khan - Kashlyk on the Tobol River. Kuchum’s army was crushed and driven back. The khans and Mansi tribes subject to khan swore allegiance to the Russian tsar, and Yermak equipped the embassy, ​​led by the atamans Ivan Koltso, who took the oath to the tsar. Well and so on ...
  2. madjik
    madjik 19 July 2015 06: 23
    0
    Siberian telengits transformed into American Tlingit Indians? If on this subject research?
  3. sssla
    sssla 19 July 2015 06: 25
    -12
    I always liked the story, but in such a served compote that the Russians soaked the Indians, it’s not forever to soak Mattresses in de-mo, to put it mildly I don’t nat!) I especially like the "Alaskan" Indians)) This is necessary)))
  4. itr
    itr 19 July 2015 07: 26
    -10
    The Russian-Indian war is some kind of Tryndets))))))))) historian
    And I especially liked the Indians "galoshes" I wonder how they walked in winter ???? This crap was not covered with ice)))))))
    If memory serves, the Russian Aleuts exterminated
    1. Victorio
      Victorio 20 July 2015 00: 20
      +1
      Quote: itr
      The Russian-Indian war is some kind of Tryndets))))))))) historian
      And I especially liked the Indians "galoshes" I wonder how they walked in winter ???? This crap was not covered with ice)))))))
      If memory serves Russian Aleutians exterminated

      =====
      and who then hunted, prepared?
    2. Aljavad
      Aljavad 20 July 2015 01: 21
      +4
      And especially I liked the Indians "galoshes" I wonder how they walked in winter ????
      If memory serves, the Russian Aleuts exterminated


      You, sir, just to blurt out!
      First: not "galoshes", but "ears" (thorns)
      Second: there (in Alaska) is almost always winter. And everything is covered with ice.
      Yes, and memory is cheating.
      Third: the Aleuts were not exterminated. Help from Wikipedia:
      The number of Aleuts in the settlements (2002) [10]
      Kamchatka Krai:
      Nikolskoe village 294
      Most of the Aleuts (more than 2000 native speakers) live in the United States in the Aleutian Islands (Alaska). Their number in the middle of the XVIII century reached 12 - 15 thousand people. According to the 2000 United States Census, the number of Aleuts amounted to 17 people [004], including 1 people in Alaska, 10 people in the state of Washington, 708 people in California, 2273 people in Oregon, etc. [998]
    3. The comment was deleted.
  5. Aleksandr72
    Aleksandr72 19 July 2015 08: 04
    +11
    Thus, the armed actions of the Tlingit and Ejac in 1802-1805. significantly weakened the potential of cancer. Direct financial damage reached, apparently, at least half a million rubles. All this for several years stopped the advance of the Russians in a southerly direction along the northwestern coast of America. The Indian threat and further hampered the forces of the RAC in the area of ​​arch. Alexander did not allow to proceed to the systematic colonization of Southeast Alaska.

    In such cases, normal European "civilizers" gathered local volunteers, pulled up troops and completely destroyed all the aborigines that caught the eye, not really understanding the degree of their guilt or even involvement in hostilities. In the best (for the Indians) case, the remnants of the surviving aborigines were driven into the reservation. And the Russians, judging by the above article and the results of the colonization of Alaska, behaved somehow wrong. You can of course reply to this that the Russian government, not understanding the importance and value of the acquisitions in Alaska, did not send regular troops there and generally distanced itself from participation in the colonization of lands in America, leaving everything at the mercy of the merchants - the Russian-American Company. But the North Americans, in their advance to the West, also often did without the help of their army (very small in number, moreover) and themselves drove the indigenous Indian population from their own lands, without ceremony in the resistance of the latter.
    I have the honor.
  6. RiverVV
    RiverVV 19 July 2015 08: 39
    +7
    There is a version that both the British and Americans are accused of preparing the attack on the fort in vain. The local Indians did not have to particularly push for war. It was not because of their exterminatus that the Yankees arranged that they were bloodthirsty sadists. It was impossible to just get along with the savages. It is customary for us to portray the Indians as oppressed freedom fighters, but in fact, in comparison with them, any Afghan dushman would seem a model of culture and progress. For some time, they still tried to sign treaties with the leaders, as with civilized people, but then they just started driving in reservations and stupidly shooting those who poked their nose out of there.

    And ours, accustomed to communicate with Siberian aborigines, whom the Cossacks had shown their mother to Kuzkin back under Ermak, began to fuss with the Alaskan memory. The lesson went for the future. Baranov avenged the dead, and the British and local hunters helped him by the way. The British on Sitka also killed people. Politics - politics, but England did not forgive such things to savages. Since the Indians were able to calm down quickly enough and again seriously test the Russian strength, they decided only after 40 years, there is little doubt that only those who could run fast survived from them.
    1. smphantom
      smphantom 19 July 2015 09: 03
      -12
      It was impossible to just get along with the savages

      And figs ay on a foreign land decided to command?
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 19 July 2015 12: 17
        +7
        Quote: smphantom
        And figs ay on a foreign land decided to command?

        Let's put the question differently - in Belarus we bought land and built a plant, or there is a subsidiary farm. After some time, Belarusians burned this plant and exterminated the staff. Is it normal?
  7. Victor1
    Victor1 19 July 2015 09: 06
    +1
    There’s some kind of foolishness and sabotage, if there was a threat from the enemy, it was necessary to attract great forces, conduct reconnaissance, set up guards, and it turns out that the enemy each time attacked from an ambush and using the effect of surprise ...
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 20 July 2015 00: 32
      +4
      Quote: Victor1
      There’s some kind of foolishness and sabotage, if there was a threat from the enemy, it was necessary to attract great forces, conduct reconnaissance, set up guards, and it turns out that the enemy each time attacked from an ambush and using the effect of surprise ...


      It's great that a literate descendant is ready to teach stupid ancestors.
      True, the ancestors then mastered the Aleutian Islands, and the descendant mastered only the computer laughing
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. Victor1
        Victor1 20 July 2015 18: 42
        0
        It's great that a literate descendant is ready to teach stupid ancestors.
        True, the ancestors then mastered the Aleutian Islands, and the descendant mastered only the computer

        Judging by the number of your messages, you have mastered the computer in this regard. Yes, and do not distort and call the ancestors stupid.
        I just expressed my opinion. It is unpleasant that there were so many losses among ours.
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 19 July 2015 09: 30
    +5
    Russian-Indian War in Alaska 1802 - 1805.... It happens ... but the Russians didn’t cut out the Indians ... they didn’t drive them into the reservation ...
  9. gozmosZh
    gozmosZh 19 July 2015 09: 44
    0
    Aleuts - northeast, Tlingit - southeast,
    and the Eskimos did not participate in the hostilities?
    Immediately a punitive expedition was set up, which sought out the natives hiding in the tundra who had ravaged the Andreevsky loner. They sat in the barracks (Eskimo half dugout) and refused to give up.
  10. Victor-M
    Victor-M 19 July 2015 11: 26
    +5
    Oppositely, due to the specifics of their position, British and American (Boston) merchants acted. They periodically came on their ships to the shores of the Tlingit country, conducted active trade, bought furs and left, leaving the Indians instead of cloth, weapons, ammunition, and alcohol.

    From where is the Wikipedia article? The Indians rushed to kill the Russian merchants who came, and they met the American and English with bread and salt, and they probably learned English in advance. Bottom line: all the Indians were in the Anglo-Saxon reservation, and died there, infected by the Anglo-Saxons donated by them, blankets infected with smallpox and other diseases. wink The moral of this opus is that you need to fear friendship with the Anglo-Saxons. laughing The article smacks of frank registered falsification in order to avoid the fate of Crimea for Alaska. wink laughing Not a ride with the Anglo-Saxons, Alaska will be ours - Russian !!! laughing
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 19 July 2015 15: 18
      +4
      Counterfeit? At the beginning of the 80's, I read a work about the development of the Aleutian Islands, and the first part of the article seemed to be copied from that book. And as far as I remember, I had only the first volume. Baranov did not want the presence of our troops, because our officers behaved offensively against the Aleuts. And the Tlingit wanted to destroy all the aliens since they were not competitors with their equipment. Only unlike the Russians, the Angles sold them weapons, and were considered friends.
    2. cdrt
      cdrt 20 July 2015 00: 33
      -1
      Quote: Victor-M
      Alaska will be ours - Russian !!!


      Oh then ... laughing
  11. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 19 July 2015 12: 04
    -1
    Interesting. It turns out the Russian-Indian wars were like two drops of water
    similar to the Anglo-Indian wars. Either a peace treaty, then a sudden
    attacks. For the Indians, all whites were on the same face.
    1. Dali
      Dali 19 July 2015 15: 20
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Interesting. It turns out the Russian-Indian wars were like two drops of water
      similar to the Anglo-Indian wars. Either a peace treaty, then a sudden
      attacks. For the Indians, all whites were on the same face.


      Your eyesight is bad or you don’t know how to read ... even in this lie it’s not so written!
  12. 2nd 12th
    2nd 12th 19 July 2015 14: 28
    0
    There is a book by Zuev-Ordyntsev "The Last Year". The book is art. The adventure takes place in the aftermath of the transfer of Alaska. It uses the described historical facts. One of the facts is the legend about Hiawatha, the "white" leader of one of the Indian tribes. There are hints that he was Russian. The same is mentioned there about the war with some Indian tribes. It also describes a historical fact. During the symbolic descent of the Russian flag, he got entangled on the flagpole, not wanting to go down. The soldier climbed onto the flagpole and tore off the flag, but did not keep it in his teeth and the flag fell down on the line of Russian soldiers.
  13. Type 63
    Type 63 19 July 2015 16: 28
    +3
    The Tlingit were pretty good fighters, and their wooden armor (found in the Kunstkamera in Petersburg) was quite effective.
    1. Orang
      Orang 19 July 2015 16: 58
      +1
      Quote: Type 63
      Tlingit were pretty good fighters

      Very good ones. Other local people were very afraid of them
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 20 July 2015 00: 35
        +1
        Quote: Orang
        Very good ones. Other local people were very afraid of them


        Yes, there were also Chukchi warriors nearby, be healthy ...
      2. Aljavad
        Aljavad 20 July 2015 01: 37
        0
        Orang SU Yesterday, 16:58 ↑ New
        Quote: Type 63
        Tlingit were pretty good fighters
        Very good ones. Other local people were very afraid of them


        Hochma is that the Tlingits (and a couple of neighboring tribes) in their development stood on the verge of the formation of the state (This is in the absence of agriculture, on one fish!). This is called "military democracy" - a heroic era, when only the hero warrior has rights in society. Therefore, everyone is constantly at war with everyone, and then they add up ballads and legends about this (Like about the Argonauts, heroes, sledges and King Arthur. And until the whites brought guns, there was not much blood. Stone weapons were compensated by strong wood-bone armor.
  14. Aleksandr81
    Aleksandr81 19 July 2015 16: 51
    0
    Quote: Nehist
    Here they are little-known facts of the expansion of Russia. You can also read the reports of Atlosawa. No matter how peace-loving we are, but war of conquest also waged contrary to popular belief. It all depended on the political moment. If Europe colonized America and Africa, then Russia Siberia is the Far East and Central Asia!

    did you read carefully carefully? . land was bought, trade was conducted.
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 20 July 2015 00: 35
      +1
      Quote: Aleksandr81
      did you read carefully carefully? . land was bought


      And this is really very different from the Dutch purchase of the land of Manhattan ???
      With what? laughing
      1. Aljavad
        Aljavad 20 July 2015 01: 40
        0
        And this is really very different from the Dutch purchase of the land of Manhattan ???
        With what?

        Different goals. Russia did not plan to populate the acquired land.
        1. cdrt
          cdrt 22 July 2015 03: 06
          0
          Quote: Aljavad
          Different goals. Russia did not plan to populate acquired land


          Buying land for a trading post is simply the first step in colonizing.
  15. Dali
    Dali 19 July 2015 17: 00
    -1
    I wonder who the author of the article is ?!

    I can write any crap, too, and what - will that be true ?! belay

    Yes, and look, in the article source: http://hiswar.net/wars-and-battles/85-russko-indejskie-vojny-1802-1805-gg
    the literature on the basis of which the article was written. Especially touches as the source Wikipedia laughing .

    And the same Zorin wrote: "... The enmity soon disappeared from the relationship of the company with the Kenai. By 1800, according to A. A. Znamensky," the country of Dena'in was an ordinary frontier with a kaleidoscope of interconnections, where there was a place for trade , and peace, and occasional military conflicts. Russians and Creoles traded from Dena'in, buying furs of sea and river otters, beavers and martens. In addition, the aliens tied themselves to the Dena'in society by marriage and remained with their native wives even after that. how Kenai's fur wealth was depleted. "
  16. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 19 July 2015 21: 02
    0
    Russian America was put by Pomors. No wonder the town was called Novoarkhangelsk. Who are Pomory-naglosaksam reliably known on their own beaten skin. Hence the hatred and writing of foul libel. Russian never in Siberia, nor in the North, nor in Russian America, the local people infringed. They fought back from non-peaceful ones. The very policy of the Russian Empire was based on the mutual benefit of ALL NUMEROUS INCOMING PEOPLES. That was and is the principle of survival. To this day, the enemies of Russia are raging. Let be! It will be necessary, recall! And Pomors and Cossacks and all other Peoples and Tribes of the Russian Federation! That memory returned to adversaries with a bat, as then a muzzle!
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 20 July 2015 00: 39
      +2
      Quote: chelovektapok
      Russian never in Siberia, nor in the North, nor in Russian America, the local people infringed.


      Then the Chukchi devil in fairy tales called Pavlutsky
      1. Aljavad
        Aljavad 20 July 2015 01: 46
        +1
        Then the Chukchi devil in fairy tales called Pavlutsky
        according to A. A. Znamensky, “the country (...) was an ordinary frontier with a kaleidoscope of interconnections, where there was a place for trade, peace, and random military conflicts.

        Threat. Thanks Dali, good quote, and about the whole of Siberia too.
  17. yvk-evg
    yvk-evg 20 July 2015 02: 58
    0
    The tsar was strictly forbidden to Russian merchants and other "settlers" to sell alcohol, vodka and other intoxicating potions to the natives of Siberia, the North and Alaska, up to the death penalty! Regarding Alaska, this ban was strictly observed by the Russians, in contrast to the Europeans and Americans. Therefore, the natives liked the Russians less than the "more friendly" and "civilized" Europeans. Similarly, the ban on the sale of firearms against Alaskan Indians was in effect, which was again used by the "European and American partners", who exported from the lands developed by the Russians 4 times more furs than the Russians themselves. Where is the difference between development and colonization! The ban on the trade in alcohol with the natives of Siberia and the North was violated only with the arrival of Soviet Power, although later they realized it, but it was mostly late.
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 22 July 2015 03: 15
      0
      Quote: yvk-evg
      The tsar was strictly forbidden to Russian merchants and other "settlers" to sell alcohol, vodka and other intoxicating potions to the natives of Siberia, the North and Alaska, up to the death penalty!



      But where do you get this nonsense from?

      "... The drinking of Siberian aborigines began, probably, together with the first trade contacts. ... In addition to direct sales, treating with vodka was an element of the transaction for the purchase of furs. The state supported the same tradition - the payers of yasak were offered a glass of state vodka (the so-called" yasak expenses ") ..."

      I.G. Pryzhov. the history of taverns in Russia in connection with the history of the Russian people. Kazan, 1914. V.I. Ivanova. Verkhotursky tavern in the XVII century / People's struggle for sobriety in Russian history. Leningrad, 1989.
  18. Aleksander
    Aleksander 20 July 2015 09: 44
    0
    How can these skirmishes be called a war, and even Russian-Indian?
    1. 2nd 12th
      2nd 12th 25 July 2015 12: 52
      0
      In my opinion, these confrontations cannot be called a war. The regular army did not participate in them and punitive expeditions against the Indians did not suit.
      And the word "war" in the title smacks of some kind of ideological thorn.