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What answer to "Poseidon"

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Deep modernization of IL-38 is only the first step on a long way
On the last day of June at the airport LII them. M. M. Gromova command of the maritime aviation The Russian Navy transferred the fifth modernized IL-38N aircraft (Novella). The work was carried out under a contract signed in 2012 and included in the state defense order.

The dark gray, almost black cigar of the plane glittered with a red rag spot in the bow — the organizers hung the name given to the car to reveal it to the participants in a solemn ceremony. And after the short introductory part, two general directors, whose teams became the main actors in the creation of the modernized aircraft, - Sergey Velmozhkin (OJSC "Il") and Kirill Sidorenko (OJSC "TsNPO" Leninets ") to the applause of the assembled rag break ...

What answer to "Poseidon"The name of the aircraft was correct - "Fedor Zolotukhin", in honor of the general designer who developed the search and sighting system "Novella-P-38". This PPP is the main highlight of the model, for good reason its name was included in the name. But in addition to replacing the system, each of the five transferred aircraft underwent repairs and upgrades, received an extension of airworthiness. The works were carried out by JSC "Il" and JSC "TsNPO Leninets" with the participation of the United Aircraft Building Corporation.

The reason for the appearance of the IL-38 was significant progress in the development of underwater fleet. Already in 1960, American submarines, each carrying 16 Polaris missiles, began combat duty at the border of the territorial waters of the USSR - in the Norwegian Sea. The threat required an adequate response; among other options, counteraction to the enemy from the air was considered.

Practically there were no problems with the choice of aircraft - Il-18 was taken as a basis, but the development of the search filling for the new system was carried out practically from scratch. Previous analogues and, accordingly, there was no experience. The search and targeting system was given the name "Golden Eagle", it was born slowly and in agony.

Test pilot Vladimir Kokkinaki lifted into the air a new IL, still not having any electronic filling, 27 August 1961 of the year. A state tests of IL-38 with a complete set of search equipment began only in June of 1965. And only in January, the 1969 of the IL-38 with the Berkut PPS adopted the USSR Navy. According to reports, a total of 65 aircraft were produced, which corresponded to about a quarter of the naval aviation requirements for such machines.

Any complex technique without people capable of competently using it is useless hardware. Says the chief pilot of IL, honored test pilot, Hero of Russia Nikolai Kuimov: “To a pilot of such an aircraft without special knowledge anywhere. Moreover, the entire crew should be competent. And the more harmonious he is, the better he understands all the intricacies of the equipment used, the more effective the search will be. Fly accounted for at altitudes from eight thousand to one hundred, and even up to fifty meters. For example, the use of magnetometry is most effective precisely from low altitudes. Similarly, using the search equipment in the optical and infrared. I must say that piloting at low altitudes is carried out only manually, the autopilot does not apply and you need to keep ears on top of your head. And if poor visibility ... "

What answer to "Poseidon"


IL-38 serve regularly for many years. Back in Soviet times, flights were carried out not only in our territorial waters, but also in the Mediterranean, over the Indian Ocean, in Southeast Asia ... So, in naval aviation of the Russian Navy there is a school, traditions, and vast experience in using anti-submarine patrol vehicles the world. The crews can move mountains with what they have, and with modern technology they will do the impossible.
Search and sighting system "Novella-P-38" began to develop in the most difficult for the Russian "defense" time - in 90-e. The situation was saved by the fact that the Indians really liked the idea of ​​raising the possibilities of search engines purchased earlier to a fundamentally different level. And the first IL-38, which underwent a deep modernization and received a new PPP, were made for India and were called IL-38SD. The plane turned out to be very successful, and therefore, as soon as the Russian defense ministry found money for a deep modernization of Russian machines, the contract was signed. The principal difference is that “our” version does not have pylons for external suspension of anti-ship missiles. Although no one denies that the equipment of the RCC in the future is not excluded.

What we have as a result of deep modernization? With the help of a new search and sighting system, the aircraft can successfully accomplish the tasks of patrolling, searching and destroying submarines (moreover, using the nomenclature of armaments extended compared to the base Il-38), radio-electronic surveillance of surface and aerial targets, mine obstacles, search and rescue people at sea, as well as environmental monitoring of the water surface.

All possibilities incorporated in the system for obvious reasons are not advertised. But experts say that this aircraft can be considered a full-fledged analogue of the American P-8A Poseidon, which the "partners" began to exploit a couple of years ago.

The new version of the marine pilots’s machine did not disappoint, and the full potential of it was yet to be mastered. Here is the opinion of the Chief of Naval Aviation of the Navy Igor Kozhin, Hero of Russia: “Now there is a trial operation. The system works, we will upgrade it further. The world is moving forward, we must not fall behind. And together with "Lenin", the developer of "Novels", and with other firms we are currently working on improving the system. The Chief of the General Staff and the Minister of Defense set the task for intelligence systems like this to be integrated into the general situation lighting system. ” In fact, it is about the fact that the data received by patrol aircraft, online broadcast information into a unified system of coverage.

... The hour of speeches, memories and congratulations flew by quickly. Il began to warm up the engines and after about fifteen minutes he drove to take off. And then at a low altitude passed over the crowd. From the ground on the "Fedor Zolotukhin" looked invited to the celebration son designer Artem. Perhaps for him it was the most memorable day in life.
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  1. vyinemeynen
    vyinemeynen 15 July 2015 14: 58
    +7
    Glory to God, Leninets could not be destroyed!
    1. Hauptmann emil
      Hauptmann emil 15 July 2015 15: 05
      +4
      Modernization is certainly good, but it’s time to launch a new aircraft in series instead
      Vladimir Kokkinaki took to the air a new Il ... August 27, 1961. AND state tests of IL-38 with a full set of search equipment began only in June 1965th. But only in January 1969, IL-38 with the Bercut PPS was adopted by the USSR Navy.
    2. Stalker.1977
      Stalker.1977 15 July 2015 15: 12
      +5
      I completely agree, in general the 90s is one of the darkest times in our history, one can only compare with the seven-boyars.
    3. ancient
      ancient 15 July 2015 16: 20
      +7
      Quote: vyinemeynen
      Glory to God, Leninets could not be destroyed!


      It's like with KRET wink who "makes" EVERYTHING and EVERYTHING wassatso here ... "Leninist" wassat

      "Novella" was "DONE" at the Research Institute of Systems Engineering (NIIS) and since the beginning of the 90s it has been working on the creation of a fundamentally new set of equipment for the modernization of Russian Il-38 aircraft.



      An export version of such a complex, called the Sea Dragon ("Sea Serpent"), was proposed to the Ministry of Defense of India. At the same time, the customer wished to expand the capabilities of the aircraft, turning it from anti-submarine into a multi-purpose patrol, and incorporating new weapons into its armament, in particular, guided anti-ship missiles.

      1. Rustam
        Rustam 15 July 2015 16: 28
        +2
        At the same time, the customer wanted to expand the capabilities of the aircraft,


        Hello, what kind of people and without security wink

        Yes, only Hindus acre of five IL-38s that they no longer wanted but want Poseidons more and more savages ****

        1. ancient
          ancient 15 July 2015 17: 27
          +1
          Quote: Rustam
          Hello, what kind of people and without security


          Hello Rustam, FRIEND !!!!! drinks I at least sometimes .. "show up", and you generally ..... "cases for tonsils"? wink
          1. Rustam
            Rustam 15 July 2015 18: 50
            +1
            I at least sometimes .. "show up", and you generally ..... "cases for tonsils"?


            We work, but sometimes we drop in to support the lads drinks
  2. NordUral
    NordUral 15 July 2015 14: 59
    +1
    Come on guys, make sure that all their gods and other evil spirits die of fear and envy!
  3. Baikonur
    Baikonur 15 July 2015 15: 05
    +3
    The designer’s son Artem, invited to the festivities, looked at Fedor Zolotukhin from the ground. Perhaps for him it was the most memorable day in his life.

    I can imagine what joy and pride the boy has! Himself once looked at flying planes and dreamed of becoming a pilot!
  4. cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 15 July 2015 15: 06
    +2
    God willing, this IL will not be the last. And taking into account how much water is around Russia, and all the nasty things that hide under this water and strive to spy, eavesdrop, bite, so there must be at least 60-100 of them, so that there will be continuous duty.
    1. sap
      sap 15 July 2015 15: 09
      +1
      Replenishment in the indicated quantities in the near future is unlikely, but vital.
  5. FID
    FID 15 July 2015 15: 10
    +9
    But experts say that this aircraft can be considered a full-fledged analogue of the American P-8A Poseidon, which the "partners" began to operate a couple of years ago.

    The IL-38 airplane CANNOT BE an analogue of the B-737 (fuselage 737-800, wing - 737-900). Weapons complex - can.
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 15 July 2015 15: 43
      +5
      Quote: SSI
      Aircraft IL-38 CANNOT BE AN ANALOG IN B-737

      Even omit the fact that the B-737 is turbojet, and the IL is turboprop and with an outdated aerodynamic design, with a direct wing.
      And here is another wonderful modification. IL-20, scout:
    2. ancient
      ancient 15 July 2015 16: 11
      +4
      Quote: SSI
      Weapons complex - can.


      Sergey Ivanovich, +! But the armament complex ... all the more cannot be analogous to ... "Poseidon's" crying

      Very large (if clicked) drinks

      1. FID
        FID 15 July 2015 16: 19
        +3
        Greetings, my friend !!! I just didn’t raise my hand, I wrote only about the glider ... Today I feel a lot will have to write ...
        1. ancient
          ancient 15 July 2015 17: 30
          +2
          Quote: SSI
          Just a hand did not rise, wrote only about the glider ..


          Sergey Ivanovich ... but about your favorite cabin .. or as it’s fashionable to say now ... in the trend wassat

          IL-38N





          Poseidon...



          1. FID
            FID 15 July 2015 17: 33
            +1
            Quote: ancient
            Sergey Ivanovich ... but about your favorite cabin.

            Is there a glass on the Il-38N? And who did it? The autopilot is probably the old AP-6MTs?
            1. FID
              FID 15 July 2015 17: 44
              +1
              Well, brother, you first killed me, and then you made me laugh, well, I know the Boeing’s cabin, and Ilyusha too ...
              1. ancient
                ancient 15 July 2015 18: 02
                +2
                Quote: SSI
                Well, I’m familiar with the Boeing’s cabin, and Ilya’s, too ...


                So I wrote .. about your favorite cabins drinks
                1. FID
                  FID 15 July 2015 18: 23
                  +5
                  Quote: ancient
                  So I wrote .. about your favorite cabins

                  It’s just that the pictures later appeared ... Damn, the topic of Tu-160M2 is already shaking me ... This is about the article where they promise 65 T-50. In the Soviet years, KAPO produced only 4 cars a year to produce 50, now 20 or more years will be needed when the nonsense stops ????
    3. avt
      avt 15 July 2015 16: 15
      +2
      Quote: SSI
      But experts say that this aircraft can be considered a full-fledged analogue of the American P-8A Poseidon, which the "partners" began to operate a couple of years ago.

      "You came to us to record our fairy tales"
      Quote: SSI
      IL-38 airplane CANNOT BE an analogue of B-737 (fuselage 737-800, wing - 737-900)

      "And we were put here to make a fairy tale come true, you know" laughing Well, and if it’s about analogues, then Marshal Sergeyev tried to break through the Tu-204 to replace 38mu and 142mu. BUT ..... request It is strange that the Super Budget did not move into the troops .... Or maybe it is ahead? Or MS? But the fact is given in the feeling - a platform manufactured SERIES that could now be
      Quote: SSI
      analogue of B-737
      NO stupidly there is nothing for ,, than we will answer ,, Poseidon ". LADY, here in the spirit of ,, import substitution", exactly when they covered ,, Dobrolet ”with leasing Bobby, stamped his foot and ordered to make Tu-204MS and ..... ,, and in response, silence ... "Cooperation on the car, bye bye, and there is nothing to collect from - everything is ruined. So in the short term, only patching up the remnants of the USSR 38x for the near and the remaining Tu for the far zone. Or maybe it would be better for this role, well, at least for the near and middle zone, ekranoplanes?
      1. FID
        FID 15 July 2015 16: 24
        +8
        Entirely and completely share and .... I very much liked the answer of some multi-star about the Tu-204 / 214 in the role of a patrol officer, saying that they are short range and high speed. He obviously did not hear about the 64511 flight from Khabarovsk beyond the polar corner of Canada and vice versa. And I did not hear the poor fellow about the American Poseidon, based on the B-737, the speed of which is comparable to Tupol, and it is a pity that our generals suffer from deafness and blindness and only thinks about money ...
        1. Falcon
          Falcon 15 July 2015 16: 33
          +1
          Quote: SSI
          Entirely and completely share and .... I very much liked the answer of some multi-star about the Tu-204 / 214 in the role of a patrol officer, saying that they are short range and high speed. He obviously did not hear about the 64511 flight from Khabarovsk beyond the polar corner of Canada and vice versa. And I did not hear the poor fellow about the American Poseidon, based on the B-737, the speed of which is comparable to Tupol, and it is a pity that our generals suffer from deafness and blindness and only thinks about money ...


          Yes, it’s expensive simply, but there is no money, and these thoughts are thrown into the people, saying that the excuses are why we are upgrading il-38 ...
          1. FID
            FID 15 July 2015 16: 41
            +7
            Quote: Falcon
            Yes, it’s expensive simply, but there is no money, and these thoughts are thrown into the people, saying that the excuses are why we are upgrading il-38 ...

            And rave about the resumption of construction of the Tu-160 in the version of the Tu-160M2? What money is there for this nonsense ??? Just, this is my opinion, they suffer from IDIOTISM ....
            1. Falcon
              Falcon 15 July 2015 16: 45
              +1
              Quote: SSI
              Quote: Falcon
              Yes, it’s expensive simply, but there is no money, and these thoughts are thrown into the people, saying that the excuses are why we are upgrading il-38 ...

              And rave about the resumption of construction of the Tu-160 in the version of the Tu-160M2? What money is there for this nonsense ??? Just, this is my opinion, they suffer from IDIOTISM ....


              That yes suffer complete!

              There is another nuance. What ETOPS on the Tu-204? And what level of ETOPS can be crushed when achieved when operating in parts with a low level of service and departures?

              And he flies all the time over the sea.

              I think ETOPS is exactly the stumbling block when choosing the Tu-204 as a patrol.
              1. FID
                FID 15 July 2015 16: 53
                +3
                Today, the Tu-204 is operated by ETOPS-120, but this is a civilian version for 204-300, other requirements for the Air Force, I think it's not scary. For B-737, this parameter is the same. B-737NG flies on ETOPS-120.
                1. Falcon
                  Falcon 15 July 2015 17: 14
                  +1
                  Quote: SSI
                  Today, the Tu-204 is operated by ETOPS-120, but this is a civilian version for 204-300, other requirements for the Air Force, I think it's not scary. For B-737, this parameter is the same. B-737NG flies on ETOPS-120.

                  If 120, then this is just the combat radius. That seems not the reason. Only in parts will it be difficult to achieve ETOPS-120 compliance, but of course nothing is impossible ...
      2. Rustam
        Rustam 15 July 2015 16: 25
        +5
        from the article All the capabilities included in the system for obvious reasons are not advertised. But experts say that this aircraft can be considered a full-fledged analogue of the American P-8A Poseidon, which the "partners" began to operate a couple of years ago.


        I'm just lying smile people hold for sheep.


        avt (2) SU Today, 16: 15
        NO stupidly there is nothing for, than we will answer, Poseidon. So in the short term, only patching up the remnants of the USSR 38x for the nearest and remaining


        Well, stop ka bologvardiyskie habits, shaw we can not read experts say that this aircraft can be considered a full-fledged analogue of the American R-8A wink
  6. Falcon
    Falcon 15 July 2015 15: 11
    +8
    But experts say that this aircraft can be considered a full-fledged analogue of the American P-8A Poseidon, which the "partners" began to operate a couple of years ago.


    Is this a joke? The plane whose first flight was in 1959 became an analog of the P-8A ?! which is created on the basis of 737 NG and the first flight of 1998 ?!
    What kind of joke is this?
    Maybe the systems in it are a bit similar, of course, but the P-8 can launch anti-ship missiles, the combat radius is 1,5 times larger, and the resource hundreds of times.

    This is not even the creation of a new one, but simply a modernization. Cool analogue ...
    1. Rustam
      Rustam 15 July 2015 16: 35
      +6
      Falcon RU Today, 15:11

      Is this a joke?


      No, it’s a habit to keep people idiots talking about unmatched productsTo the same place there is no Taburetkin who poked them and showed which agnalogs in the west and with us - so that you can turn around in full

      And they believe that our people are mostly illiterate and shawl this and the other!
  7. htlernjh
    htlernjh 15 July 2015 15: 12
    +1
    It would be nice if there weren’t the USA with their dollars and other military bullshit. We would have lived hearty and practically without an army, because it was not necessary to spend billion rubles. to build a hell out of a plane that nobody needs but the military. With this money, you could build so many peaceful things that thousands of Russians had enough luck. And here, as before in the USSR, the ass is naked with the people, but with the plane. However, also in the USA and Geyrop ...
  8. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 15 July 2015 15: 14
    +1
    "According to reports, a total of 65 aircraft were produced, which corresponded to about a quarter of the needs of the naval aviation of the Navy in such machines."
    How much is now required by our Navy and how long will the whole thing take?
    IL-38 is certainly a good, reliable machine with the possibility of deep modernization in the future. Clear skies, you flyers.
  9. noWAR
    noWAR 15 July 2015 15: 21
    +1
    Quote: Corsair0304
    IL-38 is certainly a good, reliable machine with the possibility of deep modernization in the future. Clear skies, you flyers.
  10. Alex_59
    Alex_59 15 July 2015 15: 34
    +2
    Somehow the question remains in the shadow - what’s the matter with the Ivchenko engines? Of course, I understand that they have a wild resource, because the engine is old and brought to mind. But still, if non-repairable engines appear - where to get new ones? Will Ivchenko sell them to us or not?
  11. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 15 July 2015 15: 48
    0
    Well, "Fyodor Zolotukhin", light your wing and fulfill the assigned tasks to detect enemy submarines, robotic underwater objects.
  12. kirpich
    kirpich 15 July 2015 16: 02
    +1
    Quote: noWAR
    Quote: Corsair0304
    IL-38 is certainly a good, reliable machine with the possibility of deep modernization in the future. Clear skies, you flyers.


    Sergey, maybe I missed something, but it seems that after modernization, the blades of the engines became a different configuration? request
    1. FID
      FID 15 July 2015 17: 57
      +1
      Quote: kirpich
      engine blades

      I apologize, but the SCREW blades ... Well, they can change for better traction.
  13. TsUS-Air Force
    TsUS-Air Force 15 July 2015 16: 56
    +1
    something similar often flew over our part in the suburbs of Moscow. but I thought that it was an an-12 screw, and with a plate on a Bosko
  14. aviator1913
    aviator1913 15 July 2015 18: 23
    +2
    “India and the United States signed in June a new expanded 10-year cooperation framework plan, envisaging the conclusion of new arms contracts, which over the past eight years have reached a staggering value of 10 billion dollars,” the Indian newspaper writes. According to the publication, now the country is considering the possibility of concluding new agreements for the supply by the United States of “four P-8I long-range maritime patrol aircraft worth almost one billion dollars .....


    Something Indians buy Poseidons .. Of course, IL-38 is a bit old. Modernization, modernization, but it is necessary to move forward, and a new airframe with new capabilities for anti-submarine aviation is needed more than ever. Although there will probably not be money for him in the coming years, 10
  15. beer-youk
    beer-youk 15 July 2015 19: 24
    -1
    In aviation in general, and especially in avionics, I'm not even a kettle, but an iron. But in my opinion, if (and most likely, it will) adapt OUR MODERN electronic warfare equipment to this glider (it's no secret that the Americans in this area are 30-40 years behind), then Poseidon (trousers are turning ) will become a blind and deaf disabled person without limbs (without all five!).
    1. theodore rasp
      theodore rasp 15 July 2015 19: 44
      +2
      For reference, in the first Iraqi war, the AWACS system was completely suppressed by means of confrontation left over from Soviet supplies. This did not happen in the second war, not because AWACS was better, but because the equipment had worn out over 8 years, and Russia had nothing to change it, because it's the day before yesterday. Summary. "Avax" smokes the sky until now, but here all sorts of "Khibino Autobases and so on and so on and so forth."
  16. fa2998
    fa2998 15 July 2015 21: 02
    +3
    Urrrah !! "A full-fledged analogue of R-8A Poseidon"! Why write nonsense. In terms of speed, radius, weight of the load it is 1,5-2 times inferior. Yes, the modernized Il-38 surpasses its "classmate" R-3 "Orion", but Poseidon, from another opera. That it was impossible to create a new aircraft based on, for example, the Tu-204, or another modern. Yes, the Il-18 (Il-38) was a wonderful plane, but its time is up, it's time for an honorable retirement. yes hi
  17. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 16 July 2015 16: 09
    0
    Or maybe it was necessary to design based on the IL-96-300? Specialists try to consider this option - how much is it possible and costly ?! wink