Rusting North Korean Air Force

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Rusting North Korean Air Force


South Korea recently found out that North Korea’s requests to buy new combat aircraft were rejected by China and Russia. South Korean diplomats were pleased to learn about this, and South Korean air force officers were not at all surprised that North Koreans were desperately trying to modernize their air force.
North Korea's quick preparations for war were observed at the end of 2010, after North Korean artillery opened fire on South Korea (Yeonpyeong Island). These preparations were made without special notice. As well as the attack on the island of Yeonpyong.

South Korean analysts were particularly struck by the poor preparation of the North Korean air force during this hasty mobilization. Although it was well known that North Korean airmen had fewer and fewer flying hours over the past ten years, yet when ordered to take to the air in a massive hasty mobilization, the results were appallingly poor. Particularly striking were the disgusting flying skills of combat pilots, as well as the condition of many aircraft (given their poor maintenance). There were several crashes, many mid-air misses, and a general sense of confusion among North Korean troop and air force commanders.



Although North Korea apparently tried to impress and intimidate South Korea with a display of its air power, the effect, however, turned out to be the opposite. With the exception of ten MiG-29s, the North Korean air force consists of several hundred Soviet and Chinese Cold War warplanes. Chinese aircraft are knockoffs of old Soviet designs, and most of the North Korean aircraft fleet consists of models that are outdated as far back as the 1970s. The North Korean Air Force exercise only confirmed what many South Korean and American intelligence analysts have long suspected: the North Korean Air Force can barely fly and is unlikely to fight.

Neither China nor Russia is willing to encourage North Korea to carry out such misadventures and therefore refused to provide new aircraft. Moreover, it is difficult to do business with North Korea. She often refuses to pay or delays payment for a long time. North Korea is not a good client, and even China and Russia, who have backed the north for more than half a century, are fed up with North Korea's increasingly bizarre behavior.
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  1. lokdok
    +9
    25 October 2011 10: 04
    Neither China nor Russia wants to encourage North Korea to carry out such misadventures and therefore refused to provide new aircraft.

    I think S. Korea simply does not want to pay, but out of habit she wants to get everything for nothing, for talking about friendship.
  2. dred
    -12
    25 October 2011 14: 49
    yeah plus adding that rashka used to be a communist country too.
    1. +18
      26 October 2011 00: 38
      A normal, mentally healthy person will not call Russia "Raska", liberal.
      1. KASKAD
        -3
        26 October 2011 17: 26
        Precisely noticed it is necessary to say the wrong country was called Honduras wink
      2. Uncle Sam
        -9
        26 October 2011 22: 06
        and what else to call her?
      3. +1
        April 12 2017 11: 52
        Quote: Klibanophoros
        A normal, mentally healthy person will not call Russia "Raska", a liberal

        It is a pity the cons were canceled. I would honestly, in connection with the recent events, sell leased air defense to S. Korea in order to repel the possible aggression of our common opponents.
    2. 0
      4 February 2018 00: 49
      Quote: dred
      yeah plus adding that rashka used to be a communist country too.

      And what is a DPRK communist country?
  3. +2
    25 October 2011 19: 35
    North Korea does not pay kickbacks!
    1. 0
      April 12 2017 11: 53
      Quote: APASUS
      North Korea does not pay kickbacks!

      In connection with the latest events, when I really pinched ... I think I can fix it.
      1. 0
        April 12 2017 14: 18
        Quote: volot-voin
        In connection with the latest events, when I really pinched ... I think I can fix it.

        The Koreans were not sheep, but they took their freedom with a gun in their hands, so I don’t think
        1. 0
          4 February 2018 00: 47
          Quote: APASUS
          Quote: volot-voin
          In connection with the latest events, when I really pinched ... I think I can fix it.

          The Koreans were not sheep, but they took their freedom with a gun in their hands, so I don’t think

          When did they take their freedom? I remember in WWII we freed them from Japan, and not they themselves ...
          1. 0
            4 February 2018 09: 13
            Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
            When did they take their freedom? I remember in WWII we freed them from Japan, and not they themselves ...

            Did they sit in the basements and watch?
            1. 0
              4 February 2018 11: 34
              Quote: APASUS
              Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
              When did they take their freedom? I remember in WWII we freed them from Japan, and not they themselves ...

              Did they sit in the basements and watch?

              Well, apparently yes ....
              Korea under the control of Japan (1910-1945)

              https://ru-japan.livejournal.com/2102931.html
              1. 0
                4 February 2018 15: 59
                Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
                https://ru-japan.livejournal.com/2102931.html

                Could you tell me, my dear, since when did livejournal become a source of historical facts?
                If you are really interested in what happened in Korea during these years:
                Archives of the Krestintern from RTSKhIDNI (Fund 535, inventory 1.), namely, that part of it that is devoted to the state of peasant organizations, the actions of the Japanese colonial administration, the problems of relations between the Communist Party and communist groups with Cheon-dogyo, and the mistakes of the communists. The documents of the Cross International contain a lot of informative material about the events in Korea.

                You can find the works on this topic:
                G.F. Kim, F.I.Shabshina. "The alliance of the working class with the peasantry and the experience of the socialist countries of Asia." M., 1977; F.I.Shabshina. "Essays on the recent history of Korea (1918-1945)," M., 1959; "History of Korea (from ancient times to the present day)", vol. II, chapters 1-8, M., 1974.

                1. 0
                  4 February 2018 17: 45
                  APASUS You can find the works on this topic:

                  What do you want to prove to me that the Communists or some of the Koreans could free themselves from the Japanese colonial power without the participation of the Soviet Army? In vain, you can not bother yourself and the PRC and Korea became free from the Japanese only thanks to the USSR, you will never prove to me the opposite ...
                  1. 0
                    4 February 2018 18: 07
                    Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
                    What do you want to prove to me that the Communists or some of the Koreans could free themselves from the Japanese colonial power without the participation of the Soviet Army?

                    First of all, I want to say that your opinion is wrong, they did not sit in the basements. Bad, but the struggle went on all this time.
                    1. 0
                      4 February 2018 18: 29
                      Quote: APASUS
                      Korea controlled by Japan (1910-1945)

                      Uncertainly somehow, for 35 years there has been a "struggle" ...
                      Quote: APASUS
                      Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
                      What do you want to prove to me that the Communists or some of the Koreans could free themselves from the Japanese colonial power without the participation of the Soviet Army?

                      First of all, I want to say that your opinion is wrong, they did not sit in the basements. Bad, but the struggle went on all this time.
  4. Volkhov
    +6
    25 October 2011 20: 04
    They have an underground attack aircraft - 4 tunnels found to Seoul, and unknown ....
    Perhaps their combat readiness is higher than ours, at least everything is buried, and we have from burning grass ...
    If we are ordered to raise everything that stands at airfields, it will be even more interesting.
  5. -2
    25 October 2011 20: 15
    The army of the SC cockroaches. But it’s better not to meddle in them. Almost half of the special forces army. Imagine tens of thousands of evil, zombie dwarfs who eat shit, sleep in shit and are well trained and ready to die for their old senility on an armored train .
    1. Uncle Sam
      -9
      25 October 2011 20: 36
      shit it is shit, and the price to it is shit
      1. +2
        26 October 2011 00: 44
        Korea is not Libya, it will break the states so that they lose a third of the soldiers in a week ... Gaddafi should have agreed with the DPRK, the PNS would not have existed ... They would have been knocked out, like their field commanders in the first days ... Or with Cuba ...
  6. LESHA pancake
    +5
    26 October 2011 10: 44
    EVERYTHING IS EQUAL FOR ANY DISCUSSION TO ARMS TO ARRANGE AND TO ARRENGE AGAIN TO FATE GADDAFI ONLY WILL INSTANT KOREANS TO STRENGTHEN THE ARMY.
    1. 0
      4 February 2018 00: 45
      Quote: LYOKHA pancake
      EVERYTHING IS EQUAL FOR ANY DISCUSSION TO ARMS TO ARRANGE AND TO ARRENGE AGAIN TO FATE GADDAFI ONLY WILL INSTANT KOREANS TO STRENGTHEN THE ARMY.

      Well, how did the army help Gaddafi and Hussein ...?
  7. dimarm74
    +3
    26 October 2011 15: 39
    Koreans are not Arabs .... the amers will go there to climb ... and there is no oil there ..... And whoever does not have oil, democracy is not mandatory for the states
    1. lightforcer
      +2
      26 October 2011 15: 58
      Afghanistan, Vietnam? Like there is no oil. In addition to resources, Americans still have a need for self-expression, that is, to give someone in the head so that they know who is in charge. And the DPRK has not yet been attacked, because now the army is involved in the "expanded Middle East."
      1. 0
        17 October 2012 23: 45
        There is oil in Vietnam. Although in those distant years this was not yet known. They fought against communism. And it was easiest for Afghanistan to put a hat on. And, most importantly, no one loves the Taliban; in the UN's unluckiness, they cannot intervene for them.
  8. +6
    26 October 2011 15: 45
    in the army they have precisely fearless fighters who own martial arts. yes, it’s known. but where does the author of the article get such accurate information regarding the military potential of the most closed country in the world? sidekick in Japanese intelligence serves chtol? :)
    too much misinformation about the DPRK is simple. too one-sided, because they against the whole world actually remained with their ideology.

    and I wouldn’t really count on the information of analysts from South Korea. either they claim the development of the latest rocket carriers by the northern neighbors, then they say that they have only cornmen, not the Air Force. this is usually from fear :)
    1. +3
      26 October 2011 15: 55
      but where does the author of the article get such accurate information regarding the military potential of the most closed country in the world?

      Great question!
      If it was a question of admissible results of the deployment of armored forces, then the question would be legitimate. However, you cannot hide the Air Force in your pocket. All base locations and the composition of the Air Force are known. Modern means of control such as Falcons allow you to track the air situation for many hundreds of kilometers. Radio interception is not difficult.
      In other words, the Southern brothers, together with the Americans, "sat on the fence" and watched what, where and how took off. From here we came to the conclusions set out in the article.
      1. +1
        4 February 2018 00: 42
        Professor Southern brothers, along with the Americans "sat on the fence" and watched what, where and how took off. From here we came to the conclusions stated in the article.

        By your answer, you contradict the speculations indicated in your own article:
        South Korean and US intelligence analysts have long suspected: North Korean air forces can barely fly

        So where to believe you, where do you write that the KPA Air Force cannot fly, or where did your brothers think how many flies?
        However, you cannot hide the Air Force in your pocket.

        Tell this to the Swiss, in whom all B and BT are hidden underground and rocky shelters ...
        As for the KPA Air Force, your experts can only know about places of permanent base and alternate aerodromes (airports) used by the DPRK military and civil aviation ....
        If it was a question of admissible results of the deployment of armored forces, then the question would be legitimate.

        What did you give, an Israeli Jew on a Russian site determines the legitimacy of questions asked to him ..... fool
        Never trusted Israeli Jews ...
        If only I could give some links about the successful air battles of the Air Forces of the South Caucasus and the USA against the Air Force of the KPA after 1953 of the year .... laughing
        1. +1
          4 February 2018 07: 58
          Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
          What did you give, an Israeli Jew on a Russian site determines the legitimacy of questions asked to him .....

          Twist yourself, my dear man.
          By the way, the events that took place over 7 years after the writing of the article only confirm the correctness of the theses indicated in it. North Korean Air Force rusted.

          PS
          What kind of Jews do you trust, and which ones don’t monopolize me. fellow

          PPP
          The site is not Russian, but German Russian. lol
          1. +1
            4 February 2018 09: 33
            Quote: professor
            The site is not Russian, but German Russian.

            Professor, let him at least be Jewish lol , we don’t know this. The main thing is that he is in the domain. RU
            1. 0
              4 February 2018 12: 03
              Quote: Hottabych
              Quote: professor
              The site is not Russian, but German Russian.

              Professor, let him at least be Jewish lol , we don’t know this. The main thing is that he is in the domain. RU

              Yes, even in the domain "Mom Do not Cry." What does it change?
              1. 0
                4 February 2018 12: 08
                Quote: professor
                Quote: Hottabych
                Quote: professor
                The site is not Russian, but German Russian.

                Professor, let him at least be Jewish lol , we don’t know this. The main thing is that he is in the domain. RU

                Yes, even in the domain "Mom Do not Cry." What does it change?

                As I understand it, there’s nothing worthwhile about my questions, you won’t answer dear (?), But will only insult everyone here and provoke good-natured and gullible members of the forum to insult your address and the address of your relatives?
              2. +1
                4 February 2018 14: 08
                Quote: professor
                Yes, even in the domain "Mom Do not Cry." What does it change?


                Nothing, just the ownership of the site is determined by the domain name, and not by the servers on which it is located and not smile owner.
                Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
                only you will offend everyone here and provoke good-natured and gullible members of the forum to insult your address and the address of your relatives?

                No, my friend, we will not stoop to such a thing ...
                1. +1
                  4 February 2018 16: 26
                  Quote: Hottabych
                  Nothing, just the ownership of the site is determined by the domain name, and not by the servers on which it is located and not by the owner.

                  Come on. I personally have a site whose domain is ".net". For the domain I pay GoDady. Is my site American now? wink

                  Quote: Hottabych
                  No, my friend, we will not stoop to such a thing ...

                  good
                  1. 0
                    4 February 2018 17: 47
                    Professor No, my friend, we will not stoop to such a thing ...
                    good

                    Stoves and dirty bombs in the shopping centers of Tel Aviv and Haifa will put everything in its place ...
                  2. 0
                    4 February 2018 18: 08
                    Quote: professor
                    Come on. I personally have a site whose domain is ".net". For the domain I pay GoDady. Is my site American now?

                    No, the site will be American if you take the .us domain. Your site is on a shared domain. By the way, getting an American domain is no problem, like any other.
  9. Motherland
    -2
    26 October 2011 16: 39
    Our Korea would be armed with airplanes in general it would be nice
    1. Uncle Sam
      +2
      26 October 2011 22: 08
      Will you sponsor a puffer ring?
  10. SIA
    SIA
    0
    26 October 2011 17: 53
    Yes, somehow the northerners are all running. If something big happens, not one side will rise in the air.
  11. Wolkin
    +2
    16 January 2012 15: 42
    http://ru.wikipedia.org/
    The powerful air defense system, which US intelligence considers "the densest anti-missile and anti-aircraft defense system in the world", has more than 9 thousand anti-aircraft artillery systems: from light anti-aircraft guns to the world's most powerful 100-mm anti-aircraft guns, as well as self-propelled anti-aircraft guns ZSU -57 and ZSU-23-4 "Shilka". There are several thousand launchers of anti-aircraft missiles - from stationary complexes S-75, S-125, S-200 and mobile "Cube" and "Strela-10" to portable installations. By the beginning of the 90s, there were more than 100 CJ-5 and CJ-6 piston aircraft (Chinese modification of the Yak-18), 12 Czechoslovak-made L-39 jet aircraft, as well as several dozen combat training MiG-21, MiG -23, MiG-29 and Su-25. First of all, pilots of the elite 50th Guards and 57th Fighter Aviation Regiments, armed with MiG-23 and MiG-29 aircraft, fly on them. Instructors who trained aviation specialists in many countries of the "third world" have also accumulated considerable experience. The North Korean Air Force today is a rather impressive force that potential adversaries have to reckon with.

    http://www.tsiganok.ru/publications/esmi/doc/494
    The aircraft fleet of the Air Force includes: in total - 1158 aircraft, including 646 combat aircraft. It consists of 80 H-5 (Il-28) bombers, 50 Su-7, Su-25 fighter-bombers, 421 J-5 (Mig-17), J-6 (Mig-21) fighters and others. The auxiliary aviation includes more than 340 An-2, An-24, Il-18, Il-62M, Tu-134 and Tu-154 transport aircraft. Most of the aircraft fleet, as we see, are outdated brands. For example, the MiG-17 has been in service since 1952, and the MiG-21 since 1955.

    http://voinanet.ucoz.ru/index/voenno_vozdushnye_sily_korejskoj_narodno_demokrati
    cheskoj_respubliki / 0-4718
    By the beginning of the 80s, another modernization of the Air Force took place. In addition to the previously existing 150 MiG-21s, 60 MiG-23P interceptor fighters and MiG-23ML front-line fighters, and 150 Q-5 Nanchang attack aircraft from China, are entering combat service. The list of helicopters has been replenished: 10 more Mi-2s and 50 Mi-24s. In May-June 1988, the first six MiG-29s arrived in the DPRK, and by the end of the year, the transfer of the entire batch of 30 aircraft and another 20 Su-25K attack aircraft was completed. In the late 80s, 87 American Hughes MD-500 helicopters (civil modification) were purchased through third countries, of which at least 60 were converted into combat ones.
  12. General_Nogay
    +2
    April 26 2012 12: 15
    Who is betting on whom? I am for the DPRK!
  13. +1
    4 February 2018 00: 31
    most of the North Korean fleet consists of models that are outdated in the 1970's.

    The combat personnel of the PLA Air Force didn’t go very far; its aircraft were outdated in the 90’s ....
    Development and prospects of the PLA Air Force

    https://topwar.ru/28614-razvitie-i-perspektivy-vv
    s-noak.html
    Neither China nor Russia wants to encourage North Korea to carry out such misadventures and therefore refused to provide new aircraft.

    What nonsense, if the initiator of sanctions against the DPRK were not the United States, but Zimbabwe, then the KPA Air Force would be updated within 5 years ...
    Moreover, it is difficult to do business with North Korea. She often refuses to pay or delays payment for a long time.

    Nobody has yet canceled barter and military leasing, and if you recall that solvent Venezuela owes us 50 billion dollars ...
    many South Korean and American intelligence analysts have long suspected: the North Korean Air Force can barely fly

    How to get these ANALYTICS ....

    and unlikely to fight.

    Maybe South Korean analysts / experts will be able to confirm the success of their Air Force against the KPA Air Force, and I remember that in the Korean War the US Air Force also could not boast of gaining dominance in the air of the DPRK ....
    and even China and Russia, which have supported the north for more than half a century, are fed up with North Korea’s increasingly strange behavior.

    Relations between China and Russia with Korea have a longer history than the history of the US ....
    The strange behavior of the DPRK is then apparently called strange when it contradicts the foreign policy of the United States.
    On the other hand, an Israeli Jew couldn’t post another article, unless he writes about Israel’s use of ball bombs
    According to UN observers, Israel dumped in southern Lebanon over 4's of millions of similar bombs during the armed conflict that took place in the 2006 year.

    https://topwar.ru/?newsid=62948
    1. +2
      4 February 2018 08: 19
      Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
      According to UN observers, Israel dropped more than 4 of these bombs in southern Lebanon during the armed conflict that took place in 2006.
      https://topwar.ru/?newsid=62948

      Couldn't get past. The Second Lebanon War lasted 34 days. In total, it turns out that the Israeli Air and Galactic Forces dropped "more than 4 million of these bombs." That is, on average, more than 117 of these bombs alone per day. If we assume that only these bombs were used and take into account all 000 suspension points on the F-9, then it turns out that the Tsakhal made at least 16 sorties per day with such bombs. Considering that the nominal combat strength of Israeli combat aircraft is 13, it turns out that each Israeli aircraft (even those that were under repair made 000 sorties a day to use only "similar bombs" and, at the same time, from "more than 396- x millions of such bombs, "artillery, tanks, etc., only 32 people died, including militants. lol

      Learn materiel and do not disgrace the whole world. I won’t feed anymore.
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      2. 0
        4 February 2018 17: 48
        Quote: professor
        Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
        According to UN observers, Israel dropped more than 4 of these bombs in southern Lebanon during the armed conflict that took place in 2006.
        https://topwar.ru/?newsid=62948

        Couldn't get past. The Second Lebanon War lasted 34 days. In total, it turns out that the Israeli Air and Galactic Forces dropped "more than 4 million of these bombs." That is, on average, more than 117 of these bombs alone per day. If we assume that only these bombs were used and take into account all 000 suspension points on the F-9, then it turns out that the Tsakhal made at least 16 sorties per day with such bombs. Considering that the nominal combat strength of Israeli combat aircraft is 13, it turns out that each Israeli aircraft (even those that were under repair made 000 sorties a day to use only "similar bombs" and, at the same time, from "more than 396- x millions of such bombs, "artillery, tanks, etc., only 32 people died, including militants. lol

        Learn materiel and do not disgrace the whole world. I won’t feed anymore.

        My comment has been deleted, so the servers of this site are located in Israel ...