Rusting North Korean Air Force

Rusting North Korean Air Force



South Korea recently found out that North Korea’s requests to buy new combat aircraft were rejected by China and Russia. South Korean diplomats were pleased to learn about this, and South Korean air force officers were not at all surprised that North Koreans were desperately trying to modernize their air force.
North Korea's quick preparations for war were observed at the end of 2010, after North Korean artillery opened fire on South Korea (Yeonpyeong Island). These preparations were made without special notice. As well as the attack on the island of Yeonpyong.

South Korean analysts were particularly struck by the poor training of the North Korean air force during this hasty mobilization. Despite the fact that it was well known that North Korean pilots had less and less hours of flying over the past ten years, yet when ordered to take to the air with large-scale hasty mobilization, the results were terribly bad. Particularly struck by the disgusting flight skills of combat pilots, as well as the condition of many aircraft (given their poor maintenance). There were several accidents, a lot of blunders in the air and a general feeling of confusion among North Korean commanders of the troops and the Air Force.



Although North Korea tried to make an impression and intimidate South Korea with a demonstration of its air power, the effect, however, turned out to be the opposite. With the exception of ten MiG-29, the North Korean Air Force consists of several hundred Soviet and Chinese warplanes of the Cold War era. Chinese planes are fakes of old Soviet designs, and most of the North Korean aircraft fleet consists of models that were outdated in the 1970's. The exercises of the North Korean Air Force only confirmed that many South Korean and American intelligence analysts have long suspected: the North Korean Air Force can barely fly and is unlikely to fight.

Neither China nor Russia is willing to encourage North Korea to conduct such misadventures and therefore refused to provide new aircraft. Moreover, it is difficult to do business with North Korea. She often refuses to pay or delays payment for a long time. North Korea is not a good customer, and even China and Russia, which have supported the north for more than half a century, are fed up with North Korea’s increasingly strange behavior.
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  1. lokdok
    lokdok 25 October 2011 10: 04 New
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    Neither China nor Russia wants to encourage North Korea to carry out such misadventures and therefore refused to provide new aircraft.

    I think S. Korea simply does not want to pay, but out of habit she wants to get everything for nothing, for talking about friendship.
  2. dred
    dred 25 October 2011 14: 49 New
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    yeah plus adding that rashka used to be a communist country too.
    1. Klibanophoros 26 October 2011 00: 38 New
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      A normal, mentally healthy person will not call Russia "Raska," liberalist.
      1. KASKAD
        KASKAD 26 October 2011 17: 26 New
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        Precisely noticed it is necessary to say the wrong country was called Honduras wink
      2. Uncle Sam
        Uncle Sam 26 October 2011 22: 06 New
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        and what else to call her?
      3. volot-voin April 12 2017 11: 52 New
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        Quote: Klibanophoros
        A normal, mentally healthy person will not call Russia "Raska", a liberal

        It is a pity the cons were canceled. I would honestly, in connection with the recent events, sell leased air defense to S. Korea in order to repel the possible aggression of our common opponents.
    2. MOSKVITYANIN 4 February 2018 00: 49 New
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      Quote: dred
      yeah plus adding that rashka used to be a communist country too.

      And what is a DPRK communist country?
  3. APASUS 25 October 2011 19: 35 New
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    North Korea does not pay kickbacks!
    1. volot-voin April 12 2017 11: 53 New
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      Quote: APASUS
      North Korea does not pay kickbacks!

      In connection with the latest events, when I really pinched ... I think I can fix it.
      1. APASUS April 12 2017 14: 18 New
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        Quote: volot-voin
        In connection with the latest events, when I really pinched ... I think I can fix it.

        The Koreans were not sheep, but they took their freedom with a gun in their hands, so I don’t think
        1. MOSKVITYANIN 4 February 2018 00: 47 New
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          Quote: APASUS
          Quote: volot-voin
          In connection with the latest events, when I really pinched ... I think I can fix it.

          The Koreans were not sheep, but they took their freedom with a gun in their hands, so I don’t think

          When did they take their freedom? I remember in WWII we freed them from Japan, and not they themselves ...
          1. APASUS 4 February 2018 09: 13 New
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            Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
            When did they take their freedom? I remember in WWII we freed them from Japan, and not they themselves ...

            Did they sit in the basements and watch?
            1. MOSKVITYANIN 4 February 2018 11: 34 New
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              Quote: APASUS
              Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
              When did they take their freedom? I remember in WWII we freed them from Japan, and not they themselves ...

              Did they sit in the basements and watch?

              Well, apparently yes ....
              Korea under the control of Japan (1910-1945)

              https://ru-japan.livejournal.com/2102931.html
              1. APASUS 4 February 2018 15: 59 New
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                Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
                https://ru-japan.livejournal.com/2102931.html

                Could you tell me, my dear, since when did livejournal become a source of historical facts?
                If you are really interested in what happened in Korea during these years:
                Archives of the Krestinter from RCCHIDNI (Fund 535, inventory 1.), namely, that part of it that is devoted to the state of peasant organizations, the actions of the Japanese colonial administration, the problems of the relationship of the Communist Party and group groups with Cheon-dog, and the mistakes of the Communists. Crestintern documents contain a lot of informative material about events in Korea

                You can find the works on this topic:
                G.F. Kim, F.I.Shabshina. "The alliance of the working class with the peasantry and the experience of the socialist countries of Asia." M., 1977; F.I.Shabshina. "Essays on the recent history of Korea (1918-1945)," M., 1959; "History of Korea (from ancient times to the present day)", vol. II, chapters 1-8, M., 1974.

                1. MOSKVITYANIN 4 February 2018 17: 45 New
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                  APASUS You can find the works on this topic:

                  What do you want to prove to me that the Communists or some of the Koreans could free themselves from the Japanese colonial power without the participation of the Soviet Army? In vain, you can not bother yourself and the PRC and Korea became free from the Japanese only thanks to the USSR, you will never prove to me the opposite ...
                  1. APASUS 4 February 2018 18: 07 New
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                    Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
                    What do you want to prove to me that the Communists or some of the Koreans could free themselves from the Japanese colonial power without the participation of the Soviet Army?

                    First of all, I want to say that your opinion is wrong, they did not sit in the basements. Bad, but the struggle went on all this time.
                    1. MOSKVITYANIN 4 February 2018 18: 29 New
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                      Quote: APASUS
                      Korea controlled by Japan (1910-1945)

                      Uncertainly somehow, for 35 years there has been a "struggle" ...
                      Quote: APASUS
                      Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
                      What do you want to prove to me that the Communists or some of the Koreans could free themselves from the Japanese colonial power without the participation of the Soviet Army?

                      First of all, I want to say that your opinion is wrong, they did not sit in the basements. Bad, but the struggle went on all this time.
  4. Volkhov
    Volkhov 25 October 2011 20: 04 New
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    They have an underground attack aircraft - 4 tunnels found to Seoul, and unknown ....
    Perhaps their combat readiness is higher than ours, at least everything is buried, and we have from burning grass ...
    If we are ordered to raise everything that stands at airfields, it will be even more interesting.
  5. almost demobil 25 October 2011 20: 15 New
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    The army of the SC cockroaches. But it’s better not to meddle in them. Almost half of the special forces army. Imagine tens of thousands of evil, zombie dwarfs who eat shit, sleep in shit and are well trained and ready to die for their old senility on an armored train .
    1. Uncle Sam
      Uncle Sam 25 October 2011 20: 36 New
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      shit it is shit, and the price to it is shit
      1. PSih2097 26 October 2011 00: 44 New
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        Korea is not Libya, it will break the states so that they lose a third of the soldiers in a week ... Gaddafi should have agreed with the DPRK, the PNS would not have existed ... They would have been knocked out, like their field commanders in the first days ... Or with Cuba ...
  6. LESHA pancake
    LESHA pancake 26 October 2011 10: 44 New
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    EVERYTHING IS EQUAL FOR ANY DISCUSSION TO ARMS TO ARRANGE AND TO ARRENGE AGAIN TO FATE GADDAFI ONLY WILL INSTANT KOREANS TO STRENGTHEN THE ARMY.
    1. MOSKVITYANIN 4 February 2018 00: 45 New
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      Quote: LESHA pancake
      EVERYTHING IS EQUAL FOR ANY DISCUSSION TO ARMS TO ARRANGE AND TO ARRENGE AGAIN TO FATE GADDAFI ONLY WILL INSTANT KOREANS TO STRENGTHEN THE ARMY.

      Well, how did the army help Gaddafi and Hussein ...?
  7. dimarm74
    dimarm74 26 October 2011 15: 39 New
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    Koreans are not Arabs .... the amers will go there to climb ... and there is no oil there ..... And whoever does not have oil, democracy is not mandatory for the states
    1. lightforcer
      lightforcer 26 October 2011 15: 58 New
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      Afghanistan, Vietnam? It seems there is no oil. In addition to resources, the Americans still have a need for self-expression, that is, to give someone a headache so that they know who is in charge. But the DPRK has not yet been attacked, because now the army is deployed in the "expanded Middle East."
      1. nerd.su 17 October 2012 23: 45 New
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        There is oil in Vietnam. Although in those distant years this was not yet known. They fought against communism. And it was easiest for Afghanistan to put a hat on. And, most importantly, no one loves the Taliban; in the UN's unluckiness, they cannot intervene for them.
  8. Sevastopol 26 October 2011 15: 45 New
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    in the army they have precisely fearless fighters who own martial arts. yes, it’s known. but where does the author of the article get such accurate information regarding the military potential of the most closed country in the world? sidekick in Japanese intelligence serves chtol? :)
    too much misinformation about the DPRK is simple. too one-sided, because they against the whole world actually remained with their ideology.

    and I wouldn’t really count on the information of analysts from South Korea. either they claim the development of the latest rocket carriers by the northern neighbors, then they say that they have only cornmen, not the Air Force. this is usually from fear :)
    1. Professor 26 October 2011 15: 55 New
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      but where does the author of the article get such accurate information regarding the military potential of the most closed country in the world?

      Great question!
      If it was a question of admissible results of the deployment of armored forces, then the question would be legitimate. However, you cannot hide the Air Force in your pocket. All base locations and the composition of the Air Force are known. Modern means of control such as Falcons allow you to track the air situation for many hundreds of kilometers. Radio interception is not difficult.
      In other words, the Southern Brothers, along with the Americans, "sat on the fence" and watched what, where and how it took off. From here we came to the conclusions stated in the article.
      1. MOSKVITYANIN 4 February 2018 00: 42 New
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        Professor Southern brothers, along with the Americans "sat on the fence" and watched what, where and how took off. From here we came to the conclusions stated in the article.

        By your answer, you contradict the speculations indicated in your own article:
        South Korean and US intelligence analysts have long suspected: North Korean air forces can barely fly

        So where to believe you, where do you write that the KPA Air Force cannot fly, or where did your brothers think how many flies?
        However, you cannot hide the Air Force in your pocket.

        Tell this to the Swiss, in whom all B and BT are hidden underground and rocky shelters ...
        As for the KPA Air Force, your experts can only know about places of permanent base and alternate aerodromes (airports) used by the DPRK military and civil aviation ....
        If it was a question of admissible results of the deployment of armored forces, then the question would be legitimate.

        What did you give, an Israeli Jew on a Russian site determines the legitimacy of questions asked to him ..... fool
        Never trusted Israeli Jews ...
        If only I could give some links about the successful air battles of the Air Forces of the South Caucasus and the USA against the Air Force of the KPA after 1953 of the year .... laughing
        1. Professor 4 February 2018 07: 58 New
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          Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
          What did you give, an Israeli Jew on a Russian site determines the legitimacy of questions asked to him .....

          Twist yourself, my dear man.
          By the way, the events that took place over 7 years after the writing of the article only confirm the correctness of the theses indicated in it. North Korean Air Force rusted.

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          What kind of Jews do you trust, and which ones don’t monopolize me. fellow

          PPP
          The site is not Russian, but German Russian. lol
          1. Hottabych 4 February 2018 09: 33 New
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            Quote: Professor
            The site is not Russian, but German Russian.

            Professor, let him at least be Jewish lol , we don’t know this. The main thing is that he is in the domain. RU
            1. Professor 4 February 2018 12: 03 New
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              Quote: Hottabych
              Quote: Professor
              The site is not Russian, but German Russian.

              Professor, let him at least be Jewish lol , we don’t know this. The main thing is that he is in the domain. RU

              Yes, even in the domain "Mom Do not Cry." What does it change?
              1. MOSKVITYANIN 4 February 2018 12: 08 New
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                Quote: Professor
                Quote: Hottabych
                Quote: Professor
                The site is not Russian, but German Russian.

                Professor, let him at least be Jewish lol , we don’t know this. The main thing is that he is in the domain. RU

                Yes, even in the domain "Mom Do not Cry." What does it change?

                As I understand it, there’s nothing worthwhile about my questions, you won’t answer dear (?), But will only insult everyone here and provoke good-natured and gullible members of the forum to insult your address and the address of your relatives?
              2. Hottabych 4 February 2018 14: 08 New
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                Quote: Professor
                Yes, even in the domain "Mom Do not Cry." What does it change?


                Nothing, just the ownership of the site is determined by the domain name, and not by the servers on which it is located and not smile by the owner.
                Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
                only you will offend everyone here and provoke good-natured and gullible members of the forum to insult your address and the address of your relatives?

                No, my friend, we will not stoop to such a thing ...
                1. Professor 4 February 2018 16: 26 New
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                  Quote: Hottabych
                  Nothing, just the ownership of the site is determined by the domain name, and not by the servers on which it is located and not by the owner.

                  Come on. I personally have a site whose domain is ".net". For the domain I pay GoDady. Is my site American now? wink

                  Quote: Hottabych
                  No, my friend, we will not stoop to such a thing ...

                  good
                  1. MOSKVITYANIN 4 February 2018 17: 47 New
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                    Professor No, my friend, we will not stoop to such a thing ...
                    good

                    Stoves and dirty bombs in the shopping centers of Tel Aviv and Haifa will put everything in its place ...
                  2. Hottabych 4 February 2018 18: 08 New
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                    Quote: Professor
                    Come on. I personally have a site whose domain is ".net". For the domain I pay GoDady. Is my site American now?

                    No, the site will be American if you take the .us domain. Your site is on a shared domain. By the way, getting an American domain is no problem, like any other.
  9. Motherland
    Motherland 26 October 2011 16: 39 New
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    Our Korea would be armed with airplanes in general it would be nice
    1. Uncle Sam
      Uncle Sam 26 October 2011 22: 08 New
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      Will you sponsor a puffer ring?
  10. SIA
    SIA 26 October 2011 17: 53 New
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    Yes, somehow the northerners are all running. If something big happens, not one side will rise in the air.
  11. Wolkin
    Wolkin 16 January 2012 15: 42 New
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    http://ru.wikipedia.org/
    The powerful air defense system, which American intelligence considers "the densest anti-ballistic and anti-aircraft defense system in the world", has more than 9 thousand anti-aircraft artillery systems: from light anti-aircraft gun systems to the most powerful 100-mm anti-aircraft guns in the world, as well as self-propelled anti-aircraft defense systems -57 and ZSU-23-4 "Shilka". There are several thousand anti-aircraft missile launchers - from stationary systems S-75, S-125, S-200 and mobile “Cube” and “Arrow-10” to portable installations. For the training of flight personnel, by the beginning of the 90s there were more than 100 piston aircraft CJ-5 and CJ-6 (Chinese modification Yak-18), 12 jet L-39s of Czechoslovak production, as well as several dozen combat training MiG-21s, MiGs -23, MiG-29 and Su-25. First of all, they are flown by pilots of the elite 50th Guards and 57th Fighter Aviation Regiments armed with MiG-23 and MiG-29 aircraft ... The instructors who trained aviation specialists in many countries of the Third World have gained considerable experience. The North Korean Air Force today is a pretty impressive force that potential opponents have to reckon with.

    http://www.tsiganok.ru/publications/esmi/doc/494
    The Air Force fleet includes: total - 1158 aircraft, including 646 combat. It consists of 80 N-5 bombers (Il-28), 50 Su-7, Su-25 fighter-bombers, 421 J-5 fighters (Mig-17), J-6 (Mig-21) and others. The auxiliary aircraft includes more than 340 transport aircraft An-2, An-24, Il-18, Il-62M, Tu-134 and Tu-154. Most of the fleet, as we see, of obsolete brands. For example, the Mig-17 has been in service since 1952, and the Mig-21 - since 1955.

    http://voinanet.ucoz.ru/index/voenno_vozdushnye_sily_korejskoj_narodno_demokrati
    cheskoj_respubliki / 0-4718
    By the beginning of the 80s there was another modernization of the Air Force. In addition to the previously existing 150 MiG-21s, 60 MiG-23P fighter-interceptors and MiG-23ML front-line fighters are entering combat service, and 150 Q-5 Nanchang attack aircraft from China. The list of helicopters has replenished: another 10 Mi-2 and 50 Mi-24. In May-June 1988, the first six MiG-29s entered the DPRK, and by the end of the year the transfer of the entire batch of 30 aircraft and another 20 Su-25K attack aircraft had completed. In the late 80s, 87 American Hughes MD-500 helicopters (civilian modifications) were purchased through third countries, at least 60 of them were converted into military ones.
  12. General_Nogay
    General_Nogay April 26 2012 12: 15 New
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    Who is betting on whom? I am for the DPRK!
  13. MOSKVITYANIN 4 February 2018 00: 31 New
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    most of the North Korean fleet consists of models that are outdated in the 1970's.

    The combat personnel of the PLA Air Force didn’t go very far; its aircraft were outdated in the 90’s ....
    Development and prospects of the PLA Air Force

    https://topwar.ru/28614-razvitie-i-perspektivy-vv
    s-noak.html
    Neither China nor Russia wants to encourage North Korea to carry out such misadventures and therefore refused to provide new aircraft.

    What nonsense, if the initiator of sanctions against the DPRK were not the United States, but Zimbabwe, then the KPA Air Force would be updated within 5 years ...
    Moreover, it is difficult to do business with North Korea. She often refuses to pay or delays payment for a long time.

    Nobody has yet canceled barter and military leasing, and if you recall that solvent Venezuela owes us 50 billion dollars ...
    many South Korean and American intelligence analysts have long suspected: the North Korean Air Force can barely fly

    How to get these ANALYTICS ....

    and hardly fight.

    Maybe South Korean analysts / experts will be able to confirm the success of their Air Force against the KPA Air Force, and I remember that in the Korean War the US Air Force also could not boast of gaining dominance in the air of the DPRK ....
    and even China and Russia, which have supported the north for more than half a century, are fed up with North Korea’s increasingly strange behavior.

    Relations between China and Russia with Korea have a longer history than the history of the US ....
    The strange behavior of the DPRK is then apparently called strange when it contradicts the foreign policy of the United States.
    On the other hand, an Israeli Jew couldn’t post another article, unless he writes about Israel’s use of ball bombs
    According to UN observers, Israel dumped in southern Lebanon over 4's of millions of similar bombs during the armed conflict that took place in the 2006 year.

    https://topwar.ru/?newsid=62948
    1. Professor 4 February 2018 08: 19 New
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      Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
      According to UN observers, Israel dropped more than 4 of these bombs in southern Lebanon during the armed conflict that took place in 2006.
      https://topwar.ru/?newsid=62948

      Could not pass by. The second Lebanese war lasted 34 days. In total, the Israeli Airborne Galactic Forces dropped "more than 4 millions of such bombs." That is, on average, more than 117 000 only such bombs per day. If we assume that only these bombs were used and take into account all the 9 suspension points on the F-16, then it turns out that Tsakhal made at least 13 000 sorties per day with such bombs. Considering that the nominal combat strength of Israeli combat aircraft is 396, it turns out that every Israeli airplane (even those that were under repair made 32 sorties per day for the use of only "similar bombs" and, moreover, from "more than 4- x millions of similar bombs, artillery, tanks, etc., only 1191 people died including militants. lol

      Learn materiel and do not disgrace the whole world. I won’t feed anymore.
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      2. MOSKVITYANIN 4 February 2018 17: 48 New
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        Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
        According to UN observers, Israel dropped more than 4 of these bombs in southern Lebanon during the armed conflict that took place in 2006.
        https://topwar.ru/?newsid=62948

        Could not pass by. The second Lebanese war lasted 34 days. In total, the Israeli Airborne Galactic Forces dropped "more than 4 millions of such bombs." That is, on average, more than 117 000 only such bombs per day. If we assume that only these bombs were used and take into account all the 9 suspension points on the F-16, then it turns out that Tsakhal made at least 13 000 sorties per day with such bombs. Considering that the nominal combat strength of Israeli combat aircraft is 396, it turns out that every Israeli airplane (even those that were under repair made 32 sorties per day for the use of only "similar bombs" and, moreover, from "more than 4- x millions of similar bombs, artillery, tanks, etc., only 1191 people died including militants. lol

        Learn materiel and do not disgrace the whole world. I won’t feed anymore.

        My comment has been deleted, so the servers of this site are located in Israel ...