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Video: "Iron dome" knocks drones

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Specialists of the Israeli defense concern "Raphael" made a video on which you can see how the Iron Dome missile defense system is shooting down two unmanned aerial vehicles, reports NEWSru.co.il with reference to Walla news. The video was intended for internal use, but was made freely available.

Video: "Iron dome" knocks drones


It is noted that employees of the concern handed over the video to a journalist as part of a marketing company, without informing the Ministry of Defense and the security service. Soon the video was posted on YouTube.

At the moment, the Israeli Defense Ministry is investigating the circumstances of the “leakage”, and this is also the company “Raphael”. In addition, representatives of the group said that the published video has nothing to do with the tests, which the Israeli Ministry of Defense reported last week.

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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 14 July 2015 08: 09
    +15
    No professor laid out .... bravo.

    Israel keeps its secrets very well (VANUNU paid 11 years of his life as an example to violators of the Israeli secretaries of Israel) and I do not believe in leakage.
    1. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 14 July 2015 08: 26
      +8
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Israel keeps its secrets very well

      And rightly so!
      About the video - it's beautiful.
      I think single rockets from the MLRS are harder to destroy than a drone, so there’s nothing to be surprised at.
      The only question is what would this very drone be detected in a timely manner.
      1. zao74
        zao74 14 July 2015 08: 42
        +11
        The Israeli defense department is currently investigating the circumstances of the "leak"
        Come on, say so - PR company ... otherwise there is a leak, a leak.
      2. Duke
        Duke 14 July 2015 08: 45
        +6
        "Iron Dummy" - tactical missile defense system designed to protect against unguided tactical missiles at ranges from 4 to 70 kilometers. Developed by the Israeli company Rafael.
        Each battery can protect an area of ​​150 square kilometers.
        The first battery went on alert in March 2011; As of July 2014, combat duty is carried by 9 batteries throughout Israel. By the end of the 2014 of the year, 1200 missiles were successfully shot down with the Iron Dome batteries.
        Battery composition
        Multipurpose radar station (radar) EL / M-2084 company ELTA Systems. Designed to accurately identify the target and determine the trajectory of its flight. Since about 75% of Kassam missiles do not hit the target, the radar calculates the trajectory and does not issue an intercept command if, according to calculations, the missile falls into an uninhabited area. This allows you to significantly reduce the financial costs of using the Iron Dome.
        Fire control center. Time from detecting a target to launching an interceptor missile: a few seconds.
        Three launchers with 20 th Tamir interceptor missiles. Missile length: 3 m, diameter: 160 mm, mass: 90 kg. The warhead has a non-contact fuse.
        1. monk10
          monk10 14 July 2015 09: 59
          +4
          The video talks about the height of the target hit at 50 km !!! Are they serious? The length of 3 m and a diameter of 0,16 m somehow does not fit in with such heights. If only the distance is not 1 km. Then why do they write 70 km? Jews are able to advertise.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 14 July 2015 10: 31
            +16
            for monk10:
            "Length 3 m and diameter 0,16" ///

            This rocket is almost entirely plastic, very light.
            Therefore, it reaches a very high speed. Besides.
            although it’s small, it’s two-stage. And very maneuverable, moreover.
            When the first step brings her to the target and her seeker catches the target,
            the 2nd stage is turned on - a furious jerk and defeat.
            I saw it with my own eyes (several times) last summer.
            Interception of Grad missiles (Iranian design) with an extended trajectory.
            1. monk10
              monk10 14 July 2015 11: 04
              +12
              Is 300 m / s high speed? For information, the speed of sound is 331 m / s. Those. Subsonic rocket. The BUK-2m has a speed of up to 1230 m / s and an overload of 24 g, with a length of 5 m and a diameter of 0,36 m. At the same time, the range is up to 50 km and the height is 25 km. The 3rd is planned for 70 and 35 km, respectively. Conclusion: advertising should be shown on TV between programs. At the same time, I consider the LCD a worthy development with good prospects.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 14 July 2015 11: 48
                +2
                for monk10:
                "Is 300 m / s a ​​high speed?" ///

                Not 300, but 700 m / s. To intercept those speed targets for which
                it is designed - small Grad missiles - is enough.
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              1. GRAY
                GRAY 14 July 2015 11: 22
                +1
                Quote: Professor
                IMHO thrust only on the accelerator.

                I don’t see the propeller there, but I see a couple of nozzles. Israel mastered the engine on new principles?
                1. Professor
                  Professor 14 July 2015 11: 39
                  +5
                  Quote: GRAY
                  I don’t see the propeller there, but I see a couple of nozzles. Israel mastered the engine on new principles?

                  I was wrong. There are two turbines.
              2. opus
                opus 14 July 2015 22: 10
                0
                Quote: Professor
                But they glow very well in the IR range. There are no drones.

                And?
                Tamir has an active radar seeker,


                and the interceptor receives data from the multi-purpose EL / M-2084 radar from ELTA Systems before launch and the target path


                There is an IK signature or not ... Kipat barzel is "on the drum", he works on shells from artillery and mortars



                =========================================
                the only difference is a successful approach to the target, and unsuccessful


                respectively, and the result

          2. aleks 62
            aleks 62 14 July 2015 11: 33
            +4
            ..... Unless the distance is 1 km. Then why do they write 70 km? Jews are able to advertise .....

            ..... Advertising .... At a rocket speed of 300 m / s up to 50 km, it needs to fly about 2,5 minutes .... I think the height is 5 km, not 50 km .... The dimensions of the rocket are about the same as those of the early Sidewinder , and this is "air-to-air" close combat, with a range of 10-12 km ..... By the way, her fuel burns out in 1,5-2 seconds .... hi
            1. opus
              opus 14 July 2015 22: 26
              0
              Quote: aleks 62
              At a rocket speed of 300 m / s up to 50 km, it needs to fly about 2,5 minutes .... I think the height is 5 km, not 50 km .... The dimensions of the rocket are about the same as those of the early Sidewinder.

              1.Not 300m / s, no data but on the knee at least 700-800 m / s

              2. Not heights (at a height of 50 km, there are no hailstones, UAVs, shells and airplanes, all the more so,against Iskanler or what?),And the range of interception 4-70 km

              And the height of interception to 10 km, from .... the manufacturer is silent
              Tamir: Missile length - 3 m, Diameter - 160 mm, weight 90kg, two-stage she (Tsiolkovsky!), does not drag empty containers


              AIM-9 Sidewinder Length: 2,85 m, Diameter: 0,127 m, Weight: 91 kg

              everything seems to be similar? only the weight of the shell Tamira MUCH LESS
              not an IR seeker, and no need to cool.

              ARLGSN is easier

              And on the radar of the AGSN, Israel is almost a leader

              4. Warheads are lighter,% on 40 (interception heights are not the same: air density for explosives), targets are not those
          3. padded jacket
            padded jacket 14 July 2015 12: 55
            0
            Quote: monah10
            The video talks about the height of the target hit at 50 km !!! Are they serious? The length of 3 m and a diameter of 0,16 m somehow does not fit in with such heights. If only the distance is not 1 km. Then why do they write 70 km? Jews are able to advertise.

            Most likely another Israeli tale, they like to invent and compose smile
            Although two drones Israel recently lost over Lebanon, the first is true, the Israeli Air Force bombed themselves after it "fell", but the second Lebanese fished out almost the whole of the sea.
            I wonder where he will then be sent? Most likely to Iran or Russia to study.
            Lebanon: Israeli drone fell into our sea
            Lebanese media report this morning, July 11, that an Israeli reconnaissance unmanned aircraft crashed into the sea off the coast of that country.
            The crash occurred opposite the Lebanese Tripoli in the north of the country. The army blocked the crash site during the search period.
            Later on Twitter the Lebanese army published photos of the UAV and its recovery from the water.


            http://9tv.co.il/news/2015/07/11/208503.html
      3. Silkway0026
        Silkway0026 14 July 2015 09: 34
        +4
        Advertising trick! What a leak there ... The next leaked video will be like Bonce The dome knocks down kites)))
      4. opus
        opus 14 July 2015 22: 02
        0
        Quote: prosto_rgb
        The only question is what would this very drone be detected in a timely manner.

        Do you think RS (length 2,8 m, diameter 0,122m, weight 50 kg) from MLRS is easier to detect than UAVs?

        if the interception is successful, then the Tamir interceptor missile hits the RS launched by Hamas, and it flies into the ground at an acute angle. At the same time, the inversion traces of the rocket are direct and short. If something does not work, then the tracks take the form of loops, i.e. Hamas rocket is struck from behind or from the side. Rocket (RS) in this case stray from its direction of flight.

        not a single UAV yet gives the speed of 500-600m / s
        1. Kaiten
          Kaiten 18 July 2015 19: 57
          +1
          Quote: opus
          Do you think RS (length 2,8 m, diameter 0,122m, weight 50 kg) from MLRS is easier to detect than UAVs?


          I think it’s easier. many drones are almost completely plastic (in the sense of composite materials), unlike the metal body of a hail shell. Of course the drone is a drone.
    2. opus
      opus 14 July 2015 21: 57
      0
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Israel keeps its secrets very well

      Why "store something"?
      Does the iron dome confidently shoot down UAVs?
      Eka is unseen.
      If the Tamir interceptor (interceptor warhead) successfully destroys the Kassam missile and the 122-mm Grad missile (speed 500-600 m / s, it seems), what does the UAV (the essence of U-2 in speed) not take it?

      RAfael has long been SPECIFIED BY ADVERTISING PERSPECTIVE ABOUT THIS

      The Iron Dome is the only dual mission system in the world that provides an
      effective defense solution for countering rockets, artillery & mortars (C-RAM) as well
      as aircraft, helicopters, UAVs, PGMs.
      / ... which provides effective protection against missiles, artillery and mortar shells (C-RAM), as well as aircraft, helicopters, UAVs, etc.

      / This news is "hot".
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 14 July 2015 08: 16
    +8
    Good but not enough. Find out how their guidance system and proximity fuse work? And most importantly, how do they see him? What radar? These drones are so small, and certainly even half made of plastic.
    1. kolyhalovs
      kolyhalovs 14 July 2015 08: 25
      +4
      Ummm ... Can this video clarify anything? Does it really have any value in itself? Or is all the boron cheese exclusively from the one in the house? I don’t understand anything.
    2. 31rus
      31rus 14 July 2015 08: 25
      +3
      I think by optical channel, but doubts take that this is the work of the "dome"
    3. GRAY
      GRAY 14 July 2015 08: 28
      +8
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      These drones are so small, and certainly even half made of plastic.

      At the beginning, they show the device, this is clearly a special and rather big target.
      The Iron Dome is capable of shooting down aircraft - well, congratulations. lol
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 14 July 2015 08: 50
        +2
        I will join the opinion, obviously not a military application.
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 14 July 2015 10: 37
        +2
        for GRAY:

        "Well, congratulations." ///

        Thank you, at least someone is polite drinks .

        Whole chip of testing is that one and the same system and one
        and the same rocket can distinguish and shoot down like fast-flying
        targets (Grad / Tornado-class missiles) and slow targets like UAVs.
        Moreover, both high and low flying.

        Usually different means are used for such different tasks.
        1. GRAY
          GRAY 14 July 2015 10: 55
          +3
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Whole chip of testing is that one and the same system and one
          and the same rocket can distinguish and shoot down like fast-flying
          targets (Grad / Tornado-class missiles) and slow targets like UAVs.
          Moreover, both high and low flying.

          I think that the trick here is different - the system was "taught" to hit maneuvering targets.
    4. Revolver
      Revolver 14 July 2015 08: 59
      +4
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      These drones are so small, and certainly even half made of plastic.

      "Grads" and products of "amateur technical creativity" of the Palestinians also do not differ in a large effective area of ​​the reflecting surface, nevertheless, the LCD radar captures them stably. Most likely it was Raphael who modified the software so that the system could determine the type of target and, accordingly, calculate the likely trajectory.
      It seems that the potential to work not only on missiles, but also on aircraft of all classes was laid down in the LCD initially, it was just that hands did not reach to realize it, there were more important topics. Ask what? Well, at least an increase in the probability of hitting missiles (after all, this is the main task, and aviation targets are secondary, and there were no aircraft from the most likely opponents), or a reduction in the cost of missiles. And just as hezbalons and Hamas got drones, their hands reached. It seems that the missile defense missile launcher not only smashes drones into the trash, but it will not seem like a fighter or helicopters to class targets.
      1. atalef
        atalef 14 July 2015 09: 31
        +2
        Quote: Nagan
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        These drones are so small, and certainly even half made of plastic.

        "Grads" and products of "amateur technical creativity" of the Palestinians also do not differ in a large effective area of ​​the reflecting surface, nevertheless, the LCD radar captures them stably. Most likely it was Raphael who modified the software so that the system could determine the type of target and, accordingly, calculate the likely trajectory.
        It seems that the potential to work not only on missiles, but also on aircraft of all classes was laid down in the LCD initially, it was just that hands did not reach to realize it, there were more important topics. Ask what? Well, at least an increase in the probability of hitting missiles (after all, this is the main task, and aviation targets are secondary, and there were no aircraft from the most likely opponents), or a reduction in the cost of missiles. And just as hezbalons and Hamas got drones, their hands reached. It seems that the missile defense missile launcher not only smashes drones into the trash, but it will not seem like a fighter or helicopters to class targets.

        In general, yes, LCD modifications are generally a change in algorithms and software
    5. Altona
      Altona 14 July 2015 09: 51
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Good but not enough. Find out how their guidance system and proximity fuse work? And most importantly, how do they see him? What radar? These drones are so small, and certainly even half made of plastic.

      ---------------------
      What is the value of this video? That there is a downing of a low-flying subsonic non-magnetic target? And what? Crap with the music ...
  3. 31rus
    31rus 14 July 2015 08: 16
    +2
    The staff is clearly written there, so it turns out, as it were, is not a leak, but not a permitted commercial, I think the investigation will quickly find those involved
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 14 July 2015 08: 19
      +1
      investigation will quickly find involved

      Yeah, they’ll write a prize ... half a bucket of skiing ... and with gramophone needles ... an advertising leak has already occurred ... potential buyers are lining up smile

      How interesting is the word limiter on HBO ....

      I write skip ... a gift and issued ski .... smile the reverse side of the censorship of the words of the Russian language ..... am impossible to communicate normally.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 14 July 2015 10: 04
        +2
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        I write skip ... a gift and issued ski .... smile the reverse side of the censorship of the words of the Russian language ..... am impossible to communicate normally.

        Use Latin letters of a similar shape, and everything will work out. Like this:
        turpentineyesgoodlol
  4. 31rus
    31rus 14 July 2015 08: 20
    0
    So stop! I watched the video and how can you understand that it was the "iron dome" that shot down? The sky, drones, and where is the work of the "dome"? The shooting is strange, it does not look like an advertisement
    1. Stalker.1977
      Stalker.1977 14 July 2015 08: 25
      +1
      I absolutely agree, for example, when our videos were shown, the work of the complexes themselves was visible.
  5. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 14 July 2015 08: 21
    0
    They shot down a drone, well done. hi
    But what about real planes and cruise / ballistic missiles? request
    1. Норд
      Норд 14 July 2015 09: 15
      +1
      They shot down a drone - an awesome achievement, and before that, no one had ever done this ...
      150 sq. Km is 10x15 km ... and how many such domes are needed to cover the whole country?!?
      What is the likelihood of hitting maneuvering targets for this prodigy?
      Well, in conclusion, I have a question: what, VO turns into an advertising platform for the Israeli military-industrial complex?
      1. Kaiten
        Kaiten 18 July 2015 20: 05
        0
        Quote: Nord
        and how many such domes are needed to cover the whole country?!?

        why the whole country? only cities and large military bases.
    2. stonks
      stonks 14 July 2015 09: 20
      +6
      For ballistic, there are other systems.
      Israel’s missile defense system is either 3 or 4 levels.
      1. just exp
        just exp 14 July 2015 11: 34
        +3
        yes, they have there ischo khets, an arrow on ours.
  6. WE ARE MAKING
    WE ARE MAKING 14 July 2015 08: 22
    +2
    Today is just the end of negotiations on Iran ... This is flowing from Israel ... here and the video has flowed ... as it were.
    1. Kaiten
      Kaiten 18 July 2015 20: 08
      +2
      Quote: AGAIN
      It flowed from Israel ... that’s the video leaked ... as if.

      you and others like you then don’t say that Israel committed an act of aggression against Iran.
  7. ibu355yandex.ru
    ibu355yandex.ru 14 July 2015 08: 22
    +1
    More like a "marketing campaign" action. No secrets are open, but the fact of the existence of such a weapon is obvious! No one is sitting still in this area of ​​exploding drone use. Although the effectiveness of the use of the "Iron Dome", judging by the above materials, remains in question.
  8. Styx
    Styx 14 July 2015 08: 23
    +3
    What a dumb "leak" laughing already flowed straight to the Internet, straight to youtube. Not missed wink
  9. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 14 July 2015 08: 25
    +4
    Well, it worked and okay. That's why it was created. Of course, it would be interesting to know more about what is described in the article: which drones, speed, altitude, etc. Well, at least the approximate performance characteristics of the "Iron Dome" what it is and what it is eaten with. It is suitable, for example, against hypersonic missiles and all sorts of other things. So to speak, to improve horizons))
    1. 31rus
      31rus 14 July 2015 08: 32
      +2
      Type on the website search for "iron dome" something you will find on performance characteristics
  10. 31rus
    31rus 14 July 2015 08: 30
    +1
    Where did you see that it was a dome, was it determined by the rocket? You can write and show it and the UFO was shot down, but it will not be true, and if Raphael advertises, then there are beautiful footage and information, and this is a "muddy" story and the main thing is nothing
  11. bmv04636
    bmv04636 14 July 2015 08: 34
    +2
    And, and shouldn't air defense have to bring down all these air shnigi? laughing
  12. yanus
    yanus 14 July 2015 08: 38
    +3
    Drones of this size and the S-75 will bring down. They would also have trained to shoot at the airship.
  13. Urri
    Urri 14 July 2015 08: 45
    0
    A drone worth 2 thousand bucks rocket worth 50 thousand? Yes, in the place of Hesbollah, I would immediately build a plant for the production of these drones.
    1. Dan4eG
      Dan4eG 14 July 2015 08: 53
      +6
      Nuka nuka, where can I buy a UAV for 2 thousand?
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 14 July 2015 09: 33
      -4
      Quote: Urri
      A drone worth 2 thousand bucks rocket worth 50 thousand? Yes, in the place of Hesbollah, I would immediately build a plant for the production of these drones.

      So they are not properly organized and there are many corrupt skins inside, if they build a factory, the Jews will bomb it as soon as possible. And of course, it’s easy to ruin the Jews with the appropriate cooperation and light mobile launchers.
      1. atalef
        atalef 14 July 2015 09: 36
        +7
        [quote = Corsair] [quote = Urri] And of course, ruining the Jews is easy with appropriate cooperation and lightweight mobile launchers. [/ quote]
        Ruin the Jews - well - well laughing
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 14 July 2015 11: 45
          -4
          Quote: atalef
          Ruin the Jews - well - well

          You can ruin anyone with proper preparation and attention bully
          Well, in this case, everything is simple: your dummies and traders are barging with Arab oil traders and traders who pay these lovers a shot at Israel. Therefore, mostly different trifles are fired and a separate rifleman has self-made garbage like firecrackers, and there will be no mass and prepared rocket attacks.
    3. Kaiten
      Kaiten 18 July 2015 20: 12
      +1
      Quote: Urri
      2 thousand bucks

      2 kilo-satellite powered unmanned vehicles exist? Give two. Proofs Karl. where do they sell it?
  14. Engineer
    Engineer 14 July 2015 09: 00
    0
    What is it? Shot down two subsonic non-maneuvering targets in greenhouse conditions and boast? This is a task for MANPADS and not even for Willow, and here Arrow to cope.
    1. Dan4eG
      Dan4eG 14 July 2015 09: 11
      +5
      http://topwar.ru/78765-v-astrahanskoy-oblasti-raschety-tor-m2u-unichtozhili-shes

      t-samanov.html

      and what eulogies there were! the whole spectrum, from "throwing tori" to "a red stumped stump to all of them to tonsils"!
    2. atalef
      atalef 14 July 2015 09: 29
      +3
      Quote: Engineer
      What is it? Shot down two subsonic non-maneuvering targets in greenhouse conditions and boast? This is a task for MANPADS and not even for Willow, and here Arrow to cope.

      None of these MANPADS unmanned aerial vehicles of such small sizes will not hit. IMHO
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 14 July 2015 10: 13
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        None of these MANPADS unmanned aerial vehicles of such small sizes will not hit. IMHO

        Are you talking about this jet thrust fetter? It will hit easily.
        1. Professor
          Professor 14 July 2015 12: 27
          +2
          The screensaver in the video was not removed by Rafael during the test, but was stripped from the site of the target manufacturer, which suggests the authenticity of at least this part of the video.
  15. Ascetic
    Ascetic 14 July 2015 09: 13
    +3
    In July 2014 There was noise when two Abadil-1 reconnaissance UAVs of Iranian production were shot down at a cost of less than 50 thousand green Patriot missiles worth 3 million.

    the increase in the efficiency of the "Iron Dome" air defense system was paid for by the transition to more complex, from the more expensive modifications of missiles, which raised the cost of one shot from the initial 60 thousand dollars to the current 100 thousand. According to official sources, in three years (from March 2011 to July 2014) The Iron Dome has successfully shot down 1200 real aerial targets. Including both drones at 40-50 thousand dollars apiece, and home-made missiles "Qassam", costing the Palestinians hardly 5 thousand dollars. Accurate statistics on what types of missiles the specified targets "Iron Dome" worked, but all the same, Israel spent at least $ 100 million on missiles alone, excluding maintenance and other costs.

    link

  16. fax66
    fax66 14 July 2015 09: 16
    -2
    To use the "Iron Dome" to combat UAVs is, in my opinion, too expensive a pleasure.
    There one rocket costs a lot of money ....
    1. atalef
      atalef 14 July 2015 09: 28
      +4
      Quote: fax66
      To use the "Iron Dome" to combat UAVs is, in my opinion, too expensive a pleasure.
      There one rocket costs a lot of money ....

      3500-3000 $ is no money for a long time, especially for us
      1. IS-80
        IS-80 14 July 2015 10: 06
        0
        Quote: atalef
        3500-3000 $ is no money for a long time, especially for us

        Mossad captured the Fed's printing press?
        1. iouris
          iouris 14 July 2015 11: 08
          +2
          Mossad is a branch of the Fed.
      2. Russian jacket
        Russian jacket 14 July 2015 12: 25
        0
        USSR thought so too laughing
      3. opus
        opus 14 July 2015 22: 43
        -1
        Quote: atalef
        3500-3000 $ is no money for a long time, especially for us

        You will lie
        Iron Dome's Tamir interceptors don't really cost $ 40,000 to $ 50,000 each to manufacture.

        3500-3000. USA ... joker. This is the cost of a shot (well, two) BOPS with MBT, essentially a blank
        (BPM -2 shot = women's leather winter boots flew away, I still remember the USSR)

        $ 1,000 Grad rocket in Iran the retail price of the terrorists in your zone, after "delivery" to the place, reaches $ 10000
        AIM-9 Sidewinder: The approximate cost of one rocket, the latest modification is 84000 $.
        Early, those d.s., at the start, the price was 43000 $

        Quote: atalef
        especially for us




        well, well 31 780 $ / 12 = 2648 $ per month ... stuffy
        1. Rumata
          Rumata 14 July 2015 23: 56
          -1
          Quote: opus

          Iron dome's tamir interceptors don't really cost $ 40,000 to $ 50,000 each to manufacture.

          Chukchi is not a reader, Chukchi is a writer!

          Quote: opus

          well, well 31 780 $ / 12 = 2648 $ per month ... stuffy

          Firstly. Now this figure is 38 and 000st, secondly the question arises. This is bad? Two times higher than in the Russian Federation? Probably the 21th place in the world, in terms of total GDP, and not per capita, for a country with 44 million people, this is also terrible.
          1. opus
            opus 15 July 2015 02: 15
            0
            Quote: Rumata
            Chukchi is not a reader, Chukchi is a writer!

            Yeah, let them read in rafal, the same about 3000. USA, they’ll stop
            Quote: Rumata
            First of all. Now this figure is 38 000 and 21 place,

            # 1 I have a stat for 2014. How did you smirk ("now": 07-2015) to get the results of 2015-xs (as far as I understand / know, these are ANNUAL indicators (and they are ready in 1-2 quarters. NEXT for the "indicative" year
            No. 2, in principle, no, but even the Swiss, who in 2014, are the eighth (!), To the phrase
            Quote: atalef
            no money for a long time, especially for us
            , or rather, the speaker will look at such a phrase, they will look at both the insane, well, or at Deripaska (he really does)

            Quote: Rumata
            Two times higher than in the Russian Federation?

            where does the RF and 44 place? SPEECH about what? About the cost of Tamir. where is it produced?
            I have never met (well, except for odioses like Chubais, Berezovsky), which 3000 is not money, so a tip
        2. Professor
          Professor 15 July 2015 08: 01
          0
          Quote: opus
          You will lie
          Iron Dome's Tamir interceptors don't really cost $ 40,000 to $ 50,000 each to manufacture.

          Raphael officially announced the extreme figures of "several thousand dollars".

          Quote: opus
          well, well 31 780 $ / 12 = 2648 $ per month ... stuffy

          $ 33,400 (2014 est.)
          What does this have to do with the cost of a rocket paid by a U.S. taxpayer?
          1. opus
            opus 15 July 2015 13: 03
            0
            Quote: Professor
            Raphael officially announced the extreme figures of "several thousand dollars".

            Well 50 000 is the same a few thousand dollars.
            Sound it. I will be glad.
            Well, I didn’t expect you to believe in "Hochma" about 3000 USD for Tamir.
            I brought a little value to your fellow countryman
            Quote: opus
            AIM-9 Sidewinder: The approximate cost of one rocket, the latest modification - $84000.

            It turns out the Israelis invented the perpetual motion machine, well, or the Americans of the military-industrial complex are large * t.
            / You poke around, about the Tamir radar station; you find it easier. It costs about 30000, + tripe + well, etc.

            Quote: Professor
            What does this have to do with the cost of a rocket paid by a U.S. taxpayer?

            Why is it American?
            Your countryman said
            Quote: atalef
            no money for a long time, especially for onс

            Those. , if I understand correctly for an Israeli citizen (able-bodied, adult) 3000-3500 d.USA, how is 50 p for me?
            Right?
            That's what I doubted.
            1. Professor
              Professor 15 July 2015 13: 29
              0
              Quote: opus
              Well 50 000 is the same a few thousand dollars.
              Sound it. I will be glad.
              Well, I didn’t expect you to believe in "Hochma" about 3000 USD for Tamir.
              I brought a little value to your fellow countryman

              No. 50 is several tens of thousands of dollars. I will not doubt the honesty of the Raphaelite who voiced the "understated" cost, as usually the price is overstated, especially when a rich American uncle pays for everything. The link was given by "Bumpy".
              חיסכון במיליונים: כך הופחתה עלות כיפת ברזל

              Quote: opus
              It turns out the Israelis invented the perpetual motion machine, well, or the Americans of the military-industrial complex are large * t.
              / You poke around, about the Tamir radar station; you find it easier. It costs about 30000, + tripe + well, etc.

              The David Sling missile also costs a million dollars. So what?

              Quote: opus
              Why is it American?
              Your countryman said

              So he is right. When an American taxpayer pays for it, it doesn’t matter how much it costs. request

              Quote: opus
              Those. , if I understand correctly for an Israeli citizen (able-bodied, adult) 3000-3500 d.USA, how is 50 p for me?
              Right?
              That's what I doubted.

              No, it's not true. Prices in Israel and Russia are comparable. For the average Israeli, $ 3 is dofig, but for the army it's nothing. This is 000 minutes of F-10 flight.

              PS
              Regarding the GOS, you were right.
              1. opus
                opus 15 July 2015 13: 59
                0
                Quote: Professor
                The link was given by "Bumpy".

                In addition to "believe Pimple's link" (and who is that by the way), I have brains, and what kind of experience.
                I will give links then
                http://mostlymissiledefense.com/2012/12/05/ballistic-missile-defense-iron-dome-d

                escription-december-5-2012 /
                http://www.businessinsider.com/how-israels-iron-dome-anti-missile-system-works-2

                014-7

                http://www.defensenews.com/article/20141117/DEFREG/311170010/UAV-Killing-Iron-Do

                me-eyed-cheaper-option-patriot

                http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/talking/88_missiledefense.html
                here:
                http://s9.invisionfree.com/21c/ar/t2744.htm
                can calculate
                etc.
                The interceptors are typically described as costing about $ 50,000 each, although costs ranging from $ 30,000 to $ 100,000 each have been cited.
                (in Hebrew I don’t need to; I don’t understand;

                Quote: Professor
                So he is right. When the American pays for it

                what
                +
                damn it did not immediately reach me. Then yeah
                Quote: Professor
                but for the army it’s nothing. This is 10 minutes of flight F-16.

                Well, do not bend.
                The army receives a denyuzhku from the budget, the budget is collected by taxes, taxes are paid by a citizen (how much lope do you have 43%?), Incl. a citizen who doesn’t have FIG 10 minutes flies F-16 on a case or 50 minutes cruise for the Minister of Defense’s passion along the coast.
                No, well, if the defense army is financed
                Quote: Professor
                american taxpayer
                ,then yes. I just don’t take this factor into account

                Quote: Professor
                Regarding the GOS, you were right.

                can you send me? for "digging" ...

                (I miss for a full analysis)

                Do you know the pictures? Guess with 3x times what is it?




                As for the rights: yesterday night I thought for a long time. something wrong.
                Radar AGSN Tamira is very small for irradiation, capture with tracking (autonomously) of such a target is small, high-speed (scanning angles, impulse, azimuthal target speed, time, etc.)

                What doubts tormented me. Rafael makes a fool (hides Old), most likely combined.
                Illumination (at a different frequency) should be provided by the EL / M-2084 radar, those gsn at Tamir "two-component".
                But of course there is no IR GOS (it is not needed in this case)
                1. Professor
                  Professor 15 July 2015 14: 11
                  0
                  Quote: opus
                  In addition to "believe Pimple's link" (and who is that by the way), I have brains, and what kind of experience.
                  I will give links then

                  Do not believe him, believe his reference. wink
                  By the way, in your link the price is very accurate. laughing

                  First, each Tamir missile costs Israel between US $ 50-90,000,

                  Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/how-israels-iron-dome-anti-missile-system-works-2

                  014-7 # ixzz3fxODhzS6

                  Unit costs for the Iron Dome's Tamir missile are classified. But based on interviews at the start of the program, sources estimate a high-end price tag of $ 100,000.
                  Translate what is written here? wink

                  Quote: opus
                  (in Hebrew I don’t need to; I don’t understand;

                  Does Google not work?


                  Quote: opus
                  can you send me? for "digging" ...

                  Will customs miss? wink

                  Quote: opus
                  Do you know the pictures? Guess with 3x times what is it?

                  Iron Dome Battle management Demonstrated
                  1. opus
                    opus 15 July 2015 15: 16
                    0
                    Quote: Professor
                    well, very accurate

                    Well, in any case, it’s not nonsense about 3000.
                    if on 3, then you would have stood on every 10 sq.m.
                    SIMPLY, find out the hail shot, the merkava shot, and forget the "Bumpy links".
                    Why argue, you (not me) Raphael EASY to answer the request. And you will post it here
                    Quote: Professor
                    Translate what is written here?

                    don’t, we ourselves can.

                    Quote: Professor
                    Does Google not work?

                    he will translate me from Hebrew, then you yourself will laugh.
                    Quote: Professor
                    Will customs miss?

                    ours is easy, even BAYUN will personally give thanks, send, save the state on the SVR
                    Quote: Professor
                    Iron Dome Battle management Demonstrated

                    Well, I'm about the same.
                    not quite radar
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 16 July 2015 07: 03
                      0
                      Quote: opus
                      Well, in any case, it’s not nonsense about 3000.
                      if on 3, then you would have stood on every 10 sq.m.
                      SIMPLY, find out the hail shot, the merkava shot, and forget the "Bumpy links".
                      Why argue, you (not me) Raphael EASY to answer the request. And you will post it here

                      1. With us they stand on every 10 sq.m, covering the entire territory adjacent to Gaza.
                      2. A Merkava shot costs about $ 10k. So what? Was there a national project to reduce the cost of a shot of Merkava? For the first time participating in a project for the automotive industry (safety valve for the Volvo fuel system), I was shocked at the cost of the car leaving the factory. And there is a chassis and an engine with a passenger compartment ... Do you know what let's say the cost of Toyota Corolla LE if its price is $ 16k? wink





                      3. Asked in Raphael about the cost of Tamir. Here is what they answered.
                      "It saves money, how much? Two zeros. Instead of hundreds of thousands of dollars, just a few thousand dollars for each missile. And that's the cumulative savings."
                      http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4358626,00.html
                      1. opus
                        opus 16 July 2015 13: 29
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        1. With us they stand on every 10 sq.m, covering the entire territory adjacent to Gaza.

                        in what area? from the square of Israel. I meant the whole territory
                        Quote: Professor
                        Was there a national project to reduce the cost of a shot of Merkava?

                        nor any national project will give 2 order. There are objective factors in the cost of a product.
                        Tamir is not a GPS chip that is stamped like pasta in Taiwan and Vietnam (that’s for 10 years from 135 to 1,35).
                        And the time has not come yet
                        Quote: Professor
                        .. Do you know what let's say the cost of Toyota Corolla LE if its price is $ 16k?

                        -I do not know. You can find out the Toyota sale price by analyzing the ships in the UAE, where they come in packs. The 150 cruiser near 18 turned out
                        -I know from Mercy the margin in 1996 was 12-17%. Ap receives the main money on spare parts (collect a car for spare parts, you will receive 200-300% of the price) and on licenses for the production of spare parts and on service charges)
                        Quote: Professor
                        Here is what they answered.
                        "It saves money, how much? Two zeros.

                        so this is a translation of an article from Hebrew.
                        ===========================
                        Frets cannot be convinced of the illegality of the amount in 3000.
                        Let so:
                        I’ll try to find out for myself by more reliable ones.
                        -Will ship to Americans and Canadians or through regional = here and find out.
                      2. Professor
                        Professor 16 July 2015 13: 41
                        0
                        Quote: opus
                        in what area? from the square of Israel. I meant the whole territory

                        Why cover the whole territory? Who from Jordan will shell the Judean desert? Around Gaza everything is covered.

                        Quote: opus
                        nor any national project will give 2a order.

                        Assemble the prototype manually, put extra duplicate systems on it and calculate its cost. Then carry out optimization, launch into mass production and ... Oh MIRACLE !!!
                        The price fell by orders of magnitude.

                        Quote: opus
                        -I do not know.

                        Up to $ 10'000. And this is a super complex product consisting of hundreds of thousands of parts requiring complex assembly. Didn't you think about it?

                        Quote: opus
                        so this is a translation of an article from Hebrew.

                        Well, such a language in Israel and in Raphael do not actually speak it. Well, the Russian did not take root ... request

                        Quote: opus
                        Frets cannot be convinced of the illegality of the amount in 3000.

                        Why $ 3'000 and not $ 9'999?
                      3. opus
                        opus 16 July 2015 15: 00
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        Around Gaza everything is covered.

                        I mean: "how much noise" in total? From here you will come to the cost of production.
                        Shells for Merkav produced (produced per month), I suppose there are more orders on 2-3, during the years 30 already?
                        And they poor fellow remain at the price of 10000. USA

                        Quote: Professor
                        The price fell by orders of magnitude.

                        not convinced.
                        spend conditionally 1mln $ on development, and buyers need only 10 SAM.
                        How much should they be sold for? 100'000 $? 200'000 $?

                        RAD750 - costs 200 thousand $ ... a masterpiece (250 or 150 nm). And why? And not enough. 150 pieces Not tea cartridges

                        Quote: Professor
                        Well, such a language in Israel

                        I'm not talking about that. You gave the answer of "Raphael", the same as in the article.
                        Well, what does it cost you: write a serious email, a screenshot of the mail. Your answer (you are a citizen, taxpayer) will be answered. You are a screen. That's all.
                        the exact figure will not be called, but about 3000
                        Quote: Professor
                        Didn't think about it?

                        I have long considered ATC a masterpiece of technology (LCI, safety, consumption, corrosion resistance - all life outside, etc.), Automotive industry is an indicator of the technological development of society.
                        Only then there is nothing to think about: Toyota Kings produce 300-400 000 units a year? not? year after year.
                        The accumulated empirical bases, as well as the results of research over 100 years (Toyota is smaller than 60), make it possible to reduce the cost of production. Suppliers (hundreds of thousands) are in line to subscribe to the topic.
                        That ain't Tamir interceptor
                        Quote: Professor
                        Why $ 3'000 and not $ 9'999?

                        What am I doing?
                        I'm not a shog, I'm only R:

                        Quote: atalef
                        3500$ 3000 - this is no money for a long time


                        9999 $ / piece is not enough.
                        In:

                        Quote: srelock
                        that the cost of Tamir and in truth may be "several thousand US dollars", only this is the cost of assembling and testing a rocket at the Rafael plant, and accessories for it are delivered from the USA and are included in the assistance program i.e.-are free.

                        This is a good idea.
                      4. Professor
                        Professor 16 July 2015 19: 48
                        0
                        Quote: opus
                        I mean: "how much noise" in total? From here you will come to the cost of production.
                        Shells for Merkav produced (produced per month), I suppose there are more orders on 2-3, during the years 30 already?
                        And they poor fellow remain at the price of 10000. USA

                        I don’t know how many Tamirs riveted, but I know that the shell for Merkava is like a brand new Toyota. Circus. wassat


                        Quote: opus
                        not convinced.

                        But I don’t have to. I cited a statement by a Raphael man in a central Israeli newspaper. no disclosure followed.

                        Quote: opus
                        Well, what does it cost you: write a serious email, a screenshot of the mail. Your answer (you are a citizen, taxpayer) will be answered.

                        Yeah, they’ll answer. lol By the way, I do not pay taxes to the US budget.

                        Quote: opus
                        Toyota kings produce 300-400 000 units per year?

                        Well? The cost of any striking as the complexity of the product. Tamir did not even lie nearby. How many details are there? What is super complicated and expensive there? Precious metals?

                        Quote: opus
                        This is a good idea.

                        What nafig accessories? Enough of fantasy. I have been covering this topic since 2011. Americans pay and oversee the project.

                        Quote: opus
                        9999 $ / piece is not enough.

                        A Toyota with a hundred thousand parts and a guarantee of mileage from hundreds of thousands of kilometers for the same money?
                      5. opus
                        opus 16 July 2015 20: 30
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        no disclosure followed.

                        and who will ... expose that? you have many such "revelations" about the Israeli defense industry in your memory
                        Quote: Professor
                        Yeah, they’ll answer.

                        why not? Ryenton answered me, well, not always, but answered. Like Boeing

                        Quote: Professor
                        By the way, I do not pay taxes to the US budget.

                        ?
                        I thought you were an Israeli citizen and meant to say about these taxes
                        Quote: Professor
                        What is super complicated and expensive there? D

                        agsn and su, tricky chips processors stand there

                        Quote: Professor
                        A Toyota with a hundred thousand parts and a guarantee of mileage from hundreds of thousands of kilometers for the same money?

                        qty. conveyor
                      6. Professor
                        Professor 16 July 2015 20: 36
                        0
                        Quote: opus
                        and who will ... expose that? you have many such "revelations" about the Israeli defense industry in your memory

                        Oh yeah. It’s a pity you don’t own Hebrew. Here, on criticism of the LCD, some careers have made. laughing

                        Quote: opus
                        why not? Ryenton answered me, well, not always, but answered. Like Boeing

                        And Raphael you ... recourse

                        Quote: opus
                        I thought you were an Israeli citizen and meant to say about these taxes

                        Third time: for LCD palt AMERICA.

                        Quote: opus
                        agsn and su, tricky chips processors stand there

                        Electronics? Ha, so it costs a penny.

                        Quote: opus
                        qty. conveyor

                        Duc and Tamir are stamped day and night. Nasrallah are afraid.
                2. Rumata
                  Rumata 15 July 2015 23: 18
                  0
                  Quote: opus
                  escription-december-5-2012 /
                  http://www.businessinsider.com/how-israels-iron-dome-anti-missile-system-works-2





                  Many of these links are already three years old or more. In Google there is an option, a filter by publication date, teach to use? How much exactly the rocket costs is no data, but Rafael, a year and a half ago, announced a decrease in cost by 10 times. By the way, on these links, the authors themselves admit that this is speculation, so why on earth are these data correct, but the Pupyrchaty link, for example, is not?

                  Purchases
                  125 Tamir (missile) (At unit cost of $ 4 million USD)
                  $ 600 million USD

                  belay
                  1. opus
                    opus 16 July 2015 00: 37
                    +1
                    Quote: Rumata
                    Many of these links are already three years old or more.

                    Yes, at least 300 years, on the drum.
                    I had a direct relationship (and I have a bit) with rocket science, with radar too
                    So, for your own development, take an interest:
                    cost of a Grad MLRS shot
                    -BPS shot
                    shot of marder
                    oh yes the most important thing
                    Quote: opus
                    AIM-9 Sidewinder: The approximate cost of one rocket, the latest modification is 84000 $.


                    and about 3000d.USA for Tamir- go laugh the hens (Ukrainian, or Israeli, according to FIG). Chickens have no brains
                    Tamir AGSN is under 30000d.USA, and you (with a group of comrades) are treating the Russian electorate, about the amount of 3000 d.USA.
                    Ashamed
                    1. Rumata
                      Rumata 16 July 2015 07: 03
                      0
                      Quote: opus
                      Chickens have no brains
                      Tamir AGSN is under 30000d.USA, and you (with a group of comrades) are treating the Russian electorate, about the amount of 3000 d.USA.

                      Where did I write about 3000? I pointed out that all the links above are useless, that you choose the information that is more suitable for your views, the link is pimpy, but then the article written in 2012 based on Rumors and speculation, which went back to the beginning of development, is suitable.
                      Ashamed
                      I don’t really care how much Tamir costs, 3000 or 30, this annoying me is throwing useless links from the top 000 in the search for Google. And yes, stop bragging about your experience in this field, this, like everything else that you write here, faith is just a word. If, for example, I write that I know the one who is involved in improving Tamir and it costs 10, will this end the argument? I doubt it
                      1. opus
                        opus 16 July 2015 13: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: Rumata
                        I don’t really care how much Tamir costs,

                        why then you climb, where didn’t they call? (Jewish solidarity, or what?
                        Quote: Rumata
                        I'm annoyed by this casting with useless links from the top 10 in Google search.

                        relax. it is insignificant.
                        Esloi you carefully read, someone gave a link to Hebrew some kind of pimply.
                        I am ABSOLUTELY SAME =
                        Quote: opus
                        I will give links then

                        and that’s it. Not even dripping, but you are already pyzhyat and go for excrement
                        Quote: Rumata
                        . And yes, stop bragging about your experience in this field,

                        I, that every passing "sexual organ" should ask, what should I do and how to do it? and what do I boast about? Do not make me laugh.
                        I forgot to ask you
                        Quote: Rumata
                        If I, for example, write that I know the one who is involved in

                        yes write, write, disgrace further
                        over there already wrote nonsense
                        Quote: atalef
                        3500-3000 $ - it’s not money for a long time, especially for us
                        double with.
                        A vigil, rushed to prove.
                      2. srelock
                        srelock 16 July 2015 14: 36
                        +1
                        Respected opus hi , I have an idea that the cost of Tamir and in truth may be "several thousand US dollars", only this is the cost of assembling and testing the rocket at the Rafael plant, and the components for it are supplied from the United States and are included in the assistance program, i.e. .-are free.
                        Otherwise, I can’t explain the lack of the market, for example, MANPADS with ARGSN for ~ $ 2000. And here's another thing, the price tag of civilian security radars, similar in size, weight and functionality to the Tamir radar-tracking radar and using civilian radars starts at ~ $ 40. Consequently, it is very likely (taking into account the above in the posts above) that in Tamira there is PARGSN.
                      3. opus
                        opus 16 July 2015 15: 06
                        +1
                        Quote: srelock
                        only this is the cost of assembling and testing a rocket at the Rafael plant,

                        common sense
                        Quote: srelock
                        MANPADS from ARGSN ~ 2000 $

                        I also don’t succeed in the fact that the Tamirs, at a price in 3000. USA do not stand on every roof of the USA, do not cover the military units of the USA, NATO, do not put them in the air defense of the near warrant, etc.

                        As for MANPADS (all the same, the interceptor is in 90 kg of weight, it is heavy for MANPADS, and a smaller interceptor (Arrow, Stinge) will have a small field of radar of the GSN antenna (you can’t say anything).
                        Quote: srelock
                        that in Tamira is PARGSN.

                        This is from the logic of the Tamir’s approach to the target (successful interception), the radar of the Tamir’s GSN is too small to confidently accompany such a target as 122 mm RS at a speed of about 800m / s (600-800).
                        Explicit illumination with radar EL / M-2084
  17. mpzss
    mpzss 14 July 2015 09: 23
    0
    also wanted to raise the issue of economic efficiency, an UAV costs well, even if it’s up to $ 50, but how much does a shot cost ??? Does it make sense to use heavy artillery against flies?
    1. atalef
      atalef 14 July 2015 09: 26
      +6
      Quote: mpzss
      also wanted to raise the issue of economic efficiency, an UAV costs well, even if it’s up to $ 50, but how much does a shot cost ??? Does it make sense to use heavy artillery against flies?


      The question is rhetorical, is it worth investing in helmets, armor - against bullets? To make armored personnel carriers and protected transporters - they shoot at them with cheap bullets
    2. Dan4eG
      Dan4eG 14 July 2015 09: 36
      +6
      UAV costs well, let it be up to $ 50

      well tady and rocket well let it cost $ 52
  18. Hannibal Lecter
    Hannibal Lecter 14 July 2015 09: 25
    -5
    It seemed to me that the missile did not see the drone. Approximately flew up to him and sideways and she was blown up. Old soviet trick with metal balls inside. They didn’t guess how to cool the mirror at high temperatures, and because of this, the approach of the rocket is so incomprehensible.
    1. atalef
      atalef 14 July 2015 09: 37
      +6
      Quote: hannibal lecter
      It seemed to me that the missile did not see the drone. Approximately flew up to him and sideways and she was blown up. Old soviet trick with metal balls inside. They didn’t guess how to cool the mirror at high temperatures, and because of this, the approach of the rocket is so incomprehensible.

      Rocket flew sideways laughing
      1. Rumata
        Rumata 14 July 2015 10: 51
        +6
        Quote: atalef
        Rocket flew sideways

        laughing
        As I imagined this picture, a rocket flies up to the UAV sideways. That would be an advertisement for the Israeli military-industrial complex ...
    2. opus
      opus 15 July 2015 14: 08
      0
      Quote: hannibal lecter
      that the rocket never saw the drone.

      interception takes place like this:

      properties of warhead TAMIRA and guidance features
      we can say and "flew up sideways", well, like a hole, instead of a hole, some broadcast it, many eat it
      Note:
      left - good
      on the right, unsuccessful (incomplete), the remnants of MV, EXPLOSIVES, fragments and other damaging elements fall to the protected positions

      At the same time (left picture) the inversion traces of the rocket are straight and short. If something doesn’t work (the picture is on the right), then the tracks take the form of loops, i.e. Hamas rocket is struck from behind or from the side. Rocket (RS) in this case stray from its direction of flight.
  19. bender8282
    bender8282 14 July 2015 10: 05
    0
    also a direct hit)))) staging, no other way!
    1. Rumata
      Rumata 14 July 2015 10: 52
      +3
      Quote: bender8282
      also a direct hit)))) staging, no other way!

      And what is wrong?
    2. opus
      opus 15 July 2015 14: 16
      0
      Quote: bender8282
      also a direct hit)))

      there was no direct hit.
      remote blasting.
      Although the UAV, at a speed of 300-400km / h, can fall down and direct, but the radio fuse of Tamir is configured differently. Fan of fragments from warhead - disk, with increasing thickness from the center
  20. Marconi41
    Marconi41 14 July 2015 10: 26
    0
    Be that as it may, the Jewish LCD performs its work and, moreover, is not just military work. The video does not understand much. And the Israelis know how to keep their secrets, I never believe in a leak.
  21. sergo1914
    sergo1914 14 July 2015 10: 29
    -3
    Was there a beacon in the target to which the rocket was aimed? We know these "PRO" ... We passed ...
    1. Rumata
      Rumata 14 July 2015 10: 54
      +3
      Quote: sergo1914
      Was there a beacon in the target to which the rocket was aimed? We know these "PRO" ... We passed ...

      What is wrong with the Israeli missile defense? Where did you go?
  22. Urri
    Urri 14 July 2015 11: 04
    -2
    Quote: Rumata
    What is wrong with the Israeli missile defense?


    It does not exist. Unrestrained advertising and aggressive marketing do not count. But the UAV and the militia of Novorosiya knock down. Destruction cost - 2 shotgun cartridges of the 12th caliber and 10 liters of 95th gasoline.
    1. aleks 62
      aleks 62 14 July 2015 11: 41
      +1
      ..... And the UAV and the militia of Novorosiya knock down ....

      ..... It depends on which UAV and at what altitude ..... lol
  23. Corsair
    Corsair 14 July 2015 11: 54
    0
    For the UAV, probably Tunguska-M1 will be the most normal option what or something like that, for large and high-flying ones, something is more serious.
  24. gregor6549
    gregor6549 14 July 2015 11: 57
    +5
    I do not quite understand the essence of the fierce dispute. The message is generally related to the unintentional (or deliberate for the purpose of public relations) leak of video information from the Iron Dome tests. The tests, I must say, are quite ordinary and nothing special is shown in the "leaked" video. After all, UAVs of the type shown in the video of the Iron Dome case are not the main and much easier targets than MLRS shells and similar NURSs. What I mean is that if the radar and LCD missiles are geared towards detecting and destroying targets such as NURSs, then UAVs with their much higher RCS and much lower speed should not be a problem for LCD and it is not. What is actually shown in the video. And about the cost. Unlike Russian air defense systems, where the effectiveness of the system is determined by the probability of detecting and hitting a certain number of a certain class of targets flying along certain trajectories, in the Israeli air defense system the main criterion is the probability of preventing damage that these targets can inflict if they are intercepted. In this regard, the exchange of several missiles costing tens of thousands of dollars for a human life, which, like that kind of money, is not quite normal. Those. as soon as in Russia people begin to count individually and not statistically, i.e. with the help of the theory of large numbers, so the Russian air defense systems will be no worse than the Israeli ones and we will be proud not because our weapons are the cheapest in the world, but because they are really better than any foreign counterpart can protect their citizens. Not the Moscow elite in the amount of a couple of hundred units (and possibly zeros), but all the citizens of Russia. And this, you see, are two big differences
    1. neri73-r
      neri73-r 14 July 2015 12: 15
      0
      If you consider the protection of the central industrial region, which, of course, includes Moscow, to be the protection of the elite, then ......., my friend, you distort and replace concepts !!! hi
      1. gregor6549
        gregor6549 14 July 2015 12: 36
        +1
        Naturally, I will somewhat exaggerate the meaning of air defense and missile defense of Moscow, but not so much that people who understand me do not understand.
        In addition, in Russia there are many industrial, and not only industrial, districts, and Moscow is not at all the most important of them, although central.
        But even if it would be the most central, the value of people's lives in other areas and regions from this should not be evaluated on a different, lower scale. And this is the meaning of my post.
  25. sigdoc
    sigdoc 14 July 2015 11: 59
    -1
    They want someone to steam their scrap
  26. Russian jacket
    Russian jacket 14 July 2015 12: 31
    +2
    That’s what you won’t take away from Israel, and what you can learn from is that they do everything for defense ... And they test their products in conditions of war, albeit not quite the same. They learn and know how to open anti-aircraft defense, good infantry and specialists ... They have an interesting experience in the fight against Islamists ... You need to puff out your cheeks, and brvt is the best for your army ... hi
  27. prishelec
    prishelec 14 July 2015 12: 43
    0
    And what could be so secret about this? if these systems were shot down by drones, what’s in this super-natural? unclear!))
  28. Stormtrooper
    Stormtrooper 14 July 2015 12: 53
    +1
    Of course, I understand that the safety of the population in Israel is not in last place, but in my opinion the operation of such a system will cost too well. It is enough to estimate the cost of these anti-ballistic missiles and the cost of rockets of the same city or hurricane. High efficiency at moderate cost - all the armies of the world dream about it. This system is clearly not about that.
    1. Rumata
      Rumata 14 July 2015 18: 23
      +2
      Quote: Stormtrooper
      Israel is not in last place, but in my opinion the operation of such a system will cost too well. It is enough to estimate the cost of these anti-ballistic missiles and the cost of rockets of the same city or hurricane. High efficiency at moderate cost - all the armies of the world dream about it. This system is clearly not about that.

      This has been discussed a hundred times already. It is necessary to compare not with the cost of the rocket, but with what damage it can cause. A missile entering a house means tens of millions of shekels of compensation and possible victims, that is, not a missile worth 5000, knocks down another worth 15, and a missile for 000 prevents millions of damage. The bullet-armored analogy --- soldiers have been cited more than once, in the comments to this article, too ...
  29. tilix
    tilix 14 July 2015 13: 39
    +1
    That is the joy, the joy of caring for the budget of Israel. And who cares then? The one who must be happy to take care of our budget.
    How to stop caring, then the joys will diminish, and so the joys of breeches are full.
    But technically, or strategically, not to mention tactically? So each plus, regardless of the score.
  30. shadow
    shadow 14 July 2015 15: 43
    -2
    And in Israel they also say a lot. For example, that they made the first tank defense complex. That's just why they still can't demonstrate it and it was made in 2005. We demonstrated such a complex called "Arena" back in 1999. The question is, who did it earlier and why Israel has not yet shown this complex of them. I read it on this portal. You can find it here if anyone is interested.
    1. Rumata
      Rumata 14 July 2015 18: 30
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      Quote: Shadows
      And in Israel they also say a lot. For example, that they made the first tank defense complex. That's just why they still can't demonstrate it and it was made in 2005. We demonstrated such a complex called "Arena" back in 1999. The question is, who did it earlier and why Israel has not yet shown this complex of them. I read it on this portal. You can find it here if anyone is interested.

      What?? Have you fallen from the moon? What is a tank defense complex? 5 seconds on Google gives enough information about Trophy ... When did Israel claim to be the first to create KAZ? Don't you confuse it with DZ? Or with the statement that the Israeli KAZ, the first and only one to be tested in combat?
      Before writing nonsense, at least a couple of minutes to read at least VO, arrange yourself an educational program, otherwise people, horses mixed up in a bunch ...
    2. Professor
      Professor 14 July 2015 19: 08
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      Quote: Shadows
      For example, what they made the first tank defense complex.

      Is that what they say? lol
  31. dakty
    dakty 14 July 2015 17: 39
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    Quote: gregor6549
    I do not quite understand the essence of the fierce dispute. The message is generally related to the unintentional (or deliberate for the purpose of public relations) leak of video information from the Iron Dome tests. The tests, I must say, are quite ordinary and nothing special is shown in the "leaked" video. After all, UAVs of the type shown in the video of the Iron Dome case are not the main and much easier targets than MLRS shells and similar NURSs. What I mean is that if the radar and LCD missiles are geared towards detecting and destroying targets such as NURSs, then UAVs with their much higher RCS and much lower speed should not be a problem for LCD and it is not. What is actually shown in the video. And about the cost. Unlike Russian air defense systems, where the effectiveness of the system is determined by the probability of detecting and hitting a certain number of a certain class of targets flying along certain trajectories, in the Israeli air defense system the main criterion is the probability of preventing damage that these targets can inflict if they are intercepted. In this regard, the exchange of several missiles costing tens of thousands of dollars for a human life, which, like that kind of money, is not quite normal. Those. as soon as in Russia people begin to count individually and not statistically, i.e. with the help of the theory of large numbers, so the Russian air defense systems will be no worse than the Israeli ones and we will be proud not because our weapons are the cheapest in the world, but because they are really better than any foreign counterpart can protect their citizens. Not the Moscow elite in the amount of a couple of hundred units (and possibly zeros), but all the citizens of Russia. And this, you see, are two big differences

    Maybe you should compare the size of the states !? How much do we need to build, put on duty and provide maintenance of air defense / pro systems to close the entire territory of Russia? I think no one will pull this!
    1. Rumata
      Rumata 14 July 2015 18: 45
      +1
      Quote: dakty
      Maybe you should compare the size of the states !? How much do we need to build, put on duty and provide maintenance of air defense / pro systems to close the entire territory of Russia? I think no one will pull this!

      89% of the population of the Russian Federation lives in the European part and along the Trans-Siberian Railway. Most of the industry is also located in this area, the rest of the Russian Federation, with the exception of military facilities, does not have such a high strategic importance. Why cover up missile defense throughout Siberia, for example? In the 15 largest cities, more than a quarter of the country's population lives. In terms of the territory that needs to be covered in order to protect 90% of the population and industry of the Russian Federation, it slightly overtakes China, but lags behind the United States, for example ...
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 14 July 2015 20: 16
        +1
        Quote: Rumata
        89% of the population of the Russian Federation lives in the European part and along the Trans-Siberian Railway. Most of the industry is also located in this area, the rest of the Russian Federation, with the exception of military facilities, does not have such a high strategic importance. Why cover up missile defense throughout Siberia, for example? In the 15 largest cities, more than a quarter of the country's population lives. In terms of the territory that needs to be covered in order to protect 90% of the population and industry of the Russian Federation, it slightly overtakes China, but lags behind the United States, for example ..


        Incidentally, the A-135 missile defense system of Moscow and the central missile defense system covers 29 subjects of the Russian Federation, or about fifty or more Israel ... laughing In Israel, our missile defense is much - oh - oh stronger ...

        1. Rumata
          Rumata 14 July 2015 20: 40
          -1
          Quote: Ascetic
          Incidentally, the A-135 missile defense system of Moscow and the Central Military District covers 29 subjects of the Russian Federation, or about fifty or more Israel ... In Israel, our missile defense is much - oh - oh stronger ...
          1. Professor
            Professor 14 July 2015 20: 43
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            Quote: Rumata
            Incidentally, the A-135 missile defense system of Moscow and the Central Military District covers 29 subjects of the Russian Federation, or about fifty or more Israel ... In Israel, our missile defense is much - oh - oh stronger ...

            What? What kind of clever guy proposes to shoot down Grads with 51T6 (A-925) and 53T6 (PRS-1) interceptors? These missiles have a nuclear warhead !!!
            1. Kaiten
              Kaiten 18 July 2015 20: 37
              -1
              Quote: Professor
              These missiles have a nuclear warhead !!!

              Many in Russia hate Moscow so much that Israel did not even stand nearby. So, if in Moscow radiation goes off scale, then in the province they will not cry.
        2. Kaiten
          Kaiten 18 July 2015 20: 39
          -1
          Quote: Ascetic
          In Israel, our missile defense is much - oh - oh stronger ...

          Mathias Rust will confirm.
  32. sergo1914
    sergo1914 14 July 2015 18: 05
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    Quote: Rumata
    Quote: sergo1914
    Was there a beacon in the target to which the rocket was aimed? We know these "PRO" ... We passed ...

    What is wrong with the Israeli missile defense? Where did you go?


    Not with Israeli. With all the missile defense. Well, except for a fundamentally different Soviet one. Where did you go?
  33. Professor
    Professor 18 May 2016 19: 03
    -1
    The Iron Dome missile defense system has been successfully tested at sea
    On Wednesday, May 18, information about the successful tests of the sea-based Iron Dome missile defense system was allowed for publication. The tests were carried out in February 2016.