The collapse of the barracks in the Omsk region

On Sunday, in the Omsk region in 19: 52, in the four-story barracks of the 242 training center of the Airborne Forces, the overlap of one of the sections collapsed, there are dead, it reports TASS message of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

“During the tragedy, 337 soldiers were in the barracks. Under the rubble there was a 38 man. ”, Says the release.

Sergei Shoigu took the situation under personal control. “The Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, interrupting his vacation, arrived at the National Center for Defense Management of the Russian Federation, from where he reports to the President of the Russian Federation every 30 minutes on the progress of rescue operations,” the department said.

According to the press service, more than 150 military personnel and 21 unit of special equipment were involved in parsing the debris, dog handlers work.

A detachment of physicians also arrived at the scene of the tragedy. “A special medical unit of the Central Military District arrived in Omsk. At the airport in Omsk, special medical equipment and special-purpose medical detachment units, unloaded by decision of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation from the Sverdlovsk region, are being unloaded, ”the message says.

If necessary, the victims will be delivered by plane to Moscow and St. Petersburg.

To this morning, it became known about the 12-ti dead and 19-ti hospitalized fighters.

A source in the power structures told the agency that the building of the barracks was recently renovated. “According to one of the versions, mistakes could be made during the renovation, including changes in the structure of the building,” the source said.

By order of the Minister of Defense in a military camp, all buildings repaired by construction companies are surveyed.

Comments

[Same lech]

It can be seen from the nature of the destruction that the building was renovated recently ... destructive.

The manager of the gills must be taken .... where he looked.

It is a pity people died ... my condolences to the relatives of the victims is a tragedy for the mothers of cadets.

[Professor]

The first thing to save people, and not look for the guilty.

[lewerlin53rus]

Quote: professor

The first thing to save people, and not look for the guilty.

I agree. but it’s impossible to allow the guilty to evade responsibility in any case. Take the contractor for the gills, the selection committee. And do not look for the switchman. And find the immediate culprits. Solder the real time. The contractor company was deprived of the license, so that it would be disgraceful for others. And the victims receive all the necessary assistance. Three hospitals on ears.

[Professor]

Quote: lewerlin53rus

I agree. but it’s impossible to allow the guilty to evade responsibility in any case

It will be, as always, "to understand and punish just anyone."

[lewerlin53rus]

Quote: professor

It will be, as always, "to understand and punish just anyone

Well, first of all, the correct phrase is "To figure it out somehow and punish just anyone." Secondly, where does such confidence come from? Do you have psychic talents? the case is egregious and so easy on the brakes are unlikely to be released. And third. How interesting is it for you? To properly understand and punish the true perpetrators of the tragedy, or do you think it would be to gloat?

[Professor]

Quote: lewerlin53rus

Secondly, where does such confidence come from?

Life experience. I guarantee that after a couple of comments dead cats will be hanged on Serdyukov, and after a couple they will miss Stalin.

Quote: lewerlin53rus

And the third. How do you like it yourself? In order to properly understand and punish the true culprits of the tragedy, or do you think it would be gloating?

Why should I gloat? Not in Syria, the barracks collapsed?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: professor

Not in Syria, the barracks collapsed?

But aren't people in Syria or what? Or do you judge people in the Talmud?

[Professor]

Quote: Ingvar 72

But aren't people in Syria or what? Or do you judge people in the Talmud?

Syria and I are at war and the death of Syrian soldiers does not cause me grief.

[Mik13]

Quote: professor

Syria and I are at war and the death of Syrian soldiers does not cause me grief.

For this topic, of course, offtopic ...
But - what will you do if SUDDENLY Syria is defeated?
Who do you think will be next? Who is ISIS attacking? Not Iran ...

Proud Great Britain was also very friendly with one charismatic continental politician. And France, too, persuaded friends. And they even gave him another European state to be eaten, which they pledged to protect. They also thought that this politician would attack Russia.

So history doesn’t teach anyone, it seems ...

[Professor]

Quote: Mik13

Who do you think will be next? Who is ISIS attacking?

Lebanon, Jordan and Iran. In such a sequence.

Quote: Mik13

Proud Great Britain was also very friendly with one charismatic continental politician.

The proud USSR even kissed him in a hickey and held joint parades ...
Israel is not friends with Daesh.
Gil Rosenberg, who fought against IS, returned to Israel

Quote: 0255

Assad bombing you?

Periodically.
Israeli territory bombarded from Syria
Another shelling from Syria, no injuries

2014 year
October 30. Israeli soldiers came under fire on the border with Syria, near the Quneitra checkpoint. No harm done. Apparently, we are talking about an accidental shelling of Israeli territory.

October 21. Accidental shelling of Israeli territory. A mortar shell exploded in the northern Golan Heights near the border with Syria. No one was hurt and no damage was done.

September 17th. Accidental shelling of Israeli territory. A mortar shell exploded in a minefield in the northern part of the Golan Heights.

September 15th. Another shelling of Israeli territory. The shell exploded near the Quneitra border crossing.

12-th of September. An accidental shelling of Israeli territory from Syria was recorded. There are no injuries.

11 September. Defense ministry construction contractors who worked near the border fence in the Golan Heights reported being fired from Syria. No injuries.

8 September. In the north of the Golan Heights, near the border with Syria, an Israeli soldier was wounded in the leg.

4 September. The shell exploded in the northern part of the Golan Heights. No harm done. IDF artillery retaliated against Syrian army positions.

September 2. The gun crew of the First Channel of Israeli Television came under fire. No harm done. In the evening, on the Golan Heights, in the vicinity of the village of Tel Hazek, 2 mortar shells fired from Syria ...

........

[0255]

Quote: professor

Quote: Ingvar 72

But aren't people in Syria or what? Or do you judge people in the Talmud?

Syria and I are at war and the death of Syrian soldiers does not cause me grief.

Assad bombing you?

[lewerlin53rus]

Quote: 0255

Assad bombing you?

it’s them from Assad bombing.

[padded jacket]

Quote: 0255

Assad bombing you?

Why would Assad "bomb" Israel?
Rather, it is a deliberate provocation of the Israeli regime needed by the imu as a pretext for striking the government troops of Syria, and the support of their "friends" terrorists, in particular from al-Nusra.

[0255]

Quote: professor

Why should I gloat? Not in Syria, the barracks collapsed?

Professor, one cannot be so malevolent towards Syrian soldiers.

[Krasmash]

Quote: 0255

Professor, one cannot be so malevolent towards Syrian soldiers.

He can, he drops from the ship in the tank

[family tree]

Quote: 0255

Professor, one cannot be so malevolent towards Syrian soldiers.

He can There will be no Syria, the problem with the Golan Heights will disappear, and so, sit there and watch.
Although it will not disappear, the problem with the IG is cooler than Syria will be, if of course it is not the hand-made gin of Israel and the USA, which they then put into the bottle again, but, even if I doubt that he will obey them, it’s easy to wake up even the child, and lull him back , worn out

[lewerlin53rus]

Quote: professor

? Not in Syria, the barracks collapsed

Well, judging by your posts, you don’t make much difference between Syria and Russia

Quote: professor

Life experience

And what? Is this done in Israel?
Although I have to admit that there is some truth in your words. There is a possibility of such an outcome. As, in other matters, everywhere and always. And not only with us.

[roadsmell]

Life experience. I guarantee that after a couple of comments dead cats will be hanged on Serdyukov,

And here, and without comment, this version is already being discussed and, in principle, has the right to live:
http://vz.ru/incidents/2015/7/13/755803.html

[servant.]

It would be foolish if this version did not exist. It’s easier to blame their sins on the one who left)))) All the good in the army is attributed as a personal achievement, the whole mess falls to the former leadership! Perfect position!

[Grandfather bear]

However, there are first questions. A construction plan.

http://www.top55.info/fileadmin/images/top55_news/bk_info_orig_31947_1436764655.
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An interesting view of the barracks.
The building is sheathed with "a thin layer of oil", but judging by the pictures from the site, it seems that the "oil" was then "smeared" on the old "bread". Type "repair". Well, sorry in photo2

[wanderer_032]

Quote: Grandfather Bear

The building is sheathed with "a thin layer of oil", but judging by the pictures from the site, it seems that the "oil" was then "smeared" on the old "bread". Type "repair"

The building was built in the 60s of the last century.
Someone, as always, "sawed off" budget money, and ordinary soldiers paid for it with their health and lives.

In the morning it was reported that 12 people died ... Work on dismantling the rubble is still underway.
The collapse occurred in the region of 19-20 hours local time.
Recently, the oath has only been taken. Sorry for the young boys ....

Tell people, for a long time to endure this ??? !!!

[family tree]

Quote: wanderer_032

Tell people, for a long time to endure this ??? !!! angry

HZ, son, in Rogachi, even before the oath of sandbags in old buildings, stacked in the windows, then sappers, then an excavator and dump trucks.
The washer kicked from such a load, well, until the end of the term on the handles
Well, who does not know. Rogachevo, airfield, Novaya Zemlya, from this year in the Navy.
So the son was demobilized in a uniform, beska, guis, vest, blue undercuts
Immediately the joke remembered
- Grandma, and you had such love, so that time! and forever...
-Yes, granddaughter, sailors!

[Mostovik]

And the selection committee did not accept the building. Before winter, the soldiers were transferred from the tents, where they lived during the repair, back to the barracks.

[stalfal]

Quote: Bridge

And the selection committee did not accept the building. Before winter, the soldiers were transferred from the tents, where they lived during the repair, back to the barracks.

Yeah, acts of admission were not signed, numerous irregularities were revealed which, as a result, were not eliminated, moreover, they gave the green light to check-in by winter 2014 so that people in tents were not in the cold. Apparently, the repair was carried out not by specialists, but by alcoholics, drug addicts from rehabilitation centers. Those. upon admission to work in a closed facility, verification procedures were not carried out, including verification of workers' qualifications. We decided to save money by thinking in hindsight.

[Alexey Boukin]

Deep condolences to the family and friends of those who lost their sons, brothers, loved ones.

[97110]

Quote: professor

The first thing to save people, and not look for the guilty.

Yes Yes. The prosecutor's office, architecture and, most importantly, the Economic Crime Department should work in the forefront of dismantling the rubble. In order not to interfere with the ticking "talented" repairmen. And send the Emergencies Ministry somewhere so that they do not interfere with work. Do you do this under a star with 6 rays? Or are the professionals looking for the guilty and professionals dismantling the rubble?

[Professor]

Quote: 97110

Do you, under a 6-ray star, do it? Or are the perpetrators looked for by professionals and the rubble is dealt with by professionals?

Do not believe it, but first of all they save people by all means and by all means. The culprits will not go anywhere. And in such situations, every minute is expensive.

[family tree]

Quote: professor

Do not believe it, but first of all they save people by all means and by all means.

Do not believe it, in the same way, only the prosecutor’s office begins to work in parallel . and rightly so, one hell, nine women, in a month, they will not be able to give birth to a child, no matter how hard they are, so the Ministry of Emergencies has its own, the prosecutors have

[97110]

Quote: professor

Do not believe it, but first of all they save people by all means and by all means. The culprits will not go anywhere.

I will not believe. I just have great respect for both the nation and the state of "talented" people, in order to admit utter stupidity - dismantling the rubble by the prosecutors, who have never held anything heavier than a folder in their hands. Dig, as the initiator of this dispute, in the norms of clothing allowance for women prosecutors. I assure you, nothing there is intended to work in the ruins. For the solemn passage along the corridor of the audited organization - yes, everything, from shoes to underwear. And the perpetrators, based on Russian realities (somewhat different from yours), will be gone. For example, they will leave for Israel. Or Yuk will shelter.

[Professor]

Quote: 97110

I will not believe. I just have great respect for both the nation and the state of "talented" people, in order to admit utter stupidity - dismantling the rubble by the prosecutors, who have never held anything heavier than a folder in their hands.

And who told you that prosecutors are generally allowed to go to ruins? Rescuers (usually the rear service) supervise the work and they decide who to let and who not.

[ROD VDVshny]

http://topwar.ru/78736-tragediya-v-omske-svidetelstva-ochevidca.html
save people. There are both technicians and doctors.
However, the prosecutor's office has its own need to work "hot" - such repairs of the barracks fund, various educational facilities have been carried out in recent years. No matter where it fades.

[go21zd45few]

Here is the result of the tender. Repair was carried out by a limited liability company, i.e. no liability. It is a pity for the guys who died and were injured not in battle, but because of the negligence of officials. Who controlled the production of cap. repair of the barracks, who took the barracks after the repair, the prosecutor's office should understand this, but do not let this tragedy on the brakes. I express my deepest condolences to the families of the dead children.

[Kite]

Prof, to save is to "heal the wound," and to punish the guilty is to cure the disease. Are the military builders to blame or what fool made the cadets march in the barracks? The middle part collapsed, not the edge, not the corner!

[Shick]

In my city...
I hope the officials who accepted the work and the contractor will answer for this.
for such a life should be given ... the boys still did not have time to take the oath ..
what a country ...

[family tree]

Quote: Shick

I hope the officials who accepted the work and the contractor will answer for this.

They will not answer. There, along the way, there was a pure cosmetic bag, and the fact that the ceilings crashed, so the builders stuck in what they had been given. And the fact that they were created with a violation of tenology, or simply they came . Now you will not find the guilty. The only thing. who carried out the building survey before issuing a repair order. So if it was carried out

[Sanain]

Not for the caretaker, but the so-called "tenders", which they are obliged to organize and choose the most optimal (in our case, the cheapest), and this carries a huge risk, because for these purposes, "enterprising" individual entrepreneurs create one-day firms and self-destruct after repairs.

A vivid example is my university, some company won an order there, made it. After 2-3 months, the plinth and plaster fell, the roof began to leak again, and there was no one to show it, because there is no company that was engaged in this (and with which the contract was concluded), or rather, it exists and there is an individual entrepreneur, but the name of the company is different.

Conclusion: it is necessary to leave the system of "tenders", because they undermine the quality system.

[Same lech]

Not a caretaker, but the so-called "tenders"

In my work I constantly come across similar things ...

such specialists will come to put ARMSTRONG ... and then I go swearing counting holes in the wiring in the wall.

[Sanain]

I do not argue, although most (not all) of the problems associated with poor repairs (the reason) are initially in those companies that made repairs according to their "unique recipes", and the manager of the farm is often a consequence of these actions.

Regarding modern "specialists" and incompetence, I agree with you, unfortunately we have such a misfortune in all areas, doctors do not treat, lawyers do not protect, lawyers do not understand, judges do not make decisions, managers do not manage, teachers do not teach, etc. etc.

[lewerlin53rus]

Quote: sanain

: it is necessary to leave the system of "tenders",

The tendering system is not so bad. It is necessary to tighten the rules of the tender.

[Sanain]

It depends on what you offer (I look forward to hearing from you).

Be that as it may, additional restrictions are unlikely to improve this situation, one-day ones, as they were, will be so, only they will adhere to additional restrictions, which for the most part will be beneficial to them again, and not to serious companies.

Here it is necessary to change the very process of registration and the existence of the organization, add new conditions and responsibility of a certain person that created the organization and in the event of its liquidation, would remain responsible for its work, this could slightly fix the situation (I wrote so, because This situation needs to be seriously worked out due to the large number of reasons for uncertainty, which greatly affects healthy [not imaginary] competition in general).

And about tenders, I think that the choice should be made not by the restrictions, but by the client, he likes cheap and unsafe repairs, please, he wants to pay more, but better and with a 100% and 200% guarantee, please. There will always be hunks, this is a fact, but it’s not necessary to ruin the entire infrastructure for the sake of these hunks.

[Moore]

The criterion of the competition (tender) can be not only the price - it is in terms of "cheapness and safety". The quality of the work performed in any contract (which, by the way, is included in the tender documentation) is implied a priori. The customer MUST check the quality of the work performed and their compliance with the reconstruction or overhaul project. In case of rejection, demand correction under the threat of penalties and going to court.
I believe that in this case there is a typical scheme - the competition was "won" by an office understandable to the customer, and the customer turned a blind eye to the fact that the contractor, in order to make a profit (minus the rollback, of course), went to some deviations from the original project or reconstruction or overhaul.
And not necessarily the command of the training was the customer. The competition could be played in Moscow, the Moscow office - the winner worked through the "subchik", which also had to make a profit somehow.
Then, as a rule, there are calls from top to bottom with a "sincere request" to sign the acceptance certificates. And in order to refuse such a "request" from the chief, one must have iron eggs.

[Sanain]

So, the quality of the repair, as a rule, lasts for several months and the customer does not have any questions after the delivery, and when problems begin to arise, it turns out that the company with which the contract was concluded is not present (most often they use the term bankruptcy) to court you can’t file a non-existent company, and you won’t bring IP to business.

And fly-by-night, as a rule, self-destruct almost immediately, after completing the group of works that they took. And since, after the repair, no one has any special claims, they quietly disappear from the market as a "conscientious" organization.

So tell me, who will you apply the penalties to? The company of the one with which you do not have a contract, and barks with the court because of the IP, is practically hopeless, only spend your nerves.

Example: at our university, the repair quality lasted 4-5 months.

[97110]

Quote: sanain

most optimal

And in Russian? Max opt? Essentially I agree with you.

[Sanain]

in Russian: acceptable, good, best.

[as150505]

That's right. All these tenders are nonsense. The one who gives a lower price wins. Therefore, they build a tyap-bloop out of shitty building material.

[makst83]

even some devilry! First, in Perm, on Saturday night, the porch (2 of the dead) collapses, then the barracks in Omsk ..... coincidence !?

ps Chet scared me to sleep at home!

[siberalt]

It seems that after the renovation, the barracks also sawed something there.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Who knows a new building or a renovated old one?

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

Who knows a new building or a renovated old one?

The building is old, built in the 60s, recently renovated ....

[Denis]

Quote: MIKHAN

The building is old, built in the 60's

A strange notion of age. I have a 1870's house and nothing. Even the overhaul was in Soviet times. And nothing, the truth was that there were no gastrik ...

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Denis

A strange notion of age. I have a 1870's house and nothing. Even the overhaul was in Soviet times. And nothing, the truth was that there were no gastrik ...

Pre-revolutionary houses, like Stalin's, were built solidly, but then not so much. In the regions, two-story houses (they were originally resettled from barracks) are all tied with metal beams.

[Denis]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

but then it’s not very

The same multi-spoken Khrushchev on the layout is not very, and thank God not one has not fallen
And TV began to fuss. Today already about two houses on Vaska popped. In vain they are, there are houses of the tsar’s construction, they don’t think about screeds. The company began

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Denis

The same multi-spoken Khrushchev on the layout is not very, and thank God not one has not fallen

By the way, the Khrushchevs thought to build as temporary housing, for 30-40 years, and then something better to build for the people. Panel Khrushchevs are very cheap and quick to build compared to brick houses, and builders need less, which reduces costs. I myself live in the region in Khrushchev, the house was built in 1967, of course it looks ugly (the paint has faded and the house looks peeling off), in some places the concrete on the balconies crumbles exposing the metal frame, but otherwise it’s normal, recently the windows were replaced with plastic ones in the stairwell sites (and on all 5 floors), we can say an attraction of unprecedented generosity from the management company or whoever does it there.

[jovanni]

Yes, God forbid, everything will shut up again at the supply office! And the deputy on the rear of the unit, and the contractors, and the designers! And the supply manager is that he is not a foreman ...

[Vovan 73]

Zakhoz has nothing to do with it. Even the unit commander is out of business. 44-FZ, fight against corruption. An electronic auction was held, and a certain office "Horns and Hooves" won. It was not even the RF itself that paid for the auction, but a certain MOSHNaya structure. We agreed on the price. kickbacks were distributed. signed papers .... and Vasya the cat, as they say. and then there he is, Mikhalych !!!! And for the future. If you do not know how unas auctions are held on the 44th, 224th, etc. FZ do not write nonsense

[servant.]

So that after Serdyukov’s departure, nothing has changed? Have the new leadership not put things in order?

[SALLAK]

Yeah, the manager ... who signed the acceptance acts and performed those supervision, he squeezed them ... But I think they won’t find them and they will do the companies as the last ... everything is always on board, the loot will be cut and maybe it will carry ...

[Dezinto]

I don’t understand how so - exactly in the middle - all four floors ....

"The number of victims of the collapse of the barracks in Omsk increased to 18 people"

Trandec !! as? why? What kind of repair is this? Whose handguns did it?

[Same lech]

Punchers made holes in the bearing walls, if the building is old, then he needs a lot and does not need to collapse.

[kolyhalovs]

Well, if we assume that we "played around" with the supporting structures below, then this is quite possible. Maybe time. This is only a beautiful facade, and we don't know what happened to the building itself. But the main condition for such a subsidence of all floors in the middle of the building is the absence of support at the bottom.

For example, the consequences of an explosion on the ground floor.

[virm]

Hardworking migrants.

[Denis]

Sorry for the boys ...

“According to one version, mistakes could be made during the repair, including changes to the construction of the building,” the source said.

I would also say who contributed them

[Andrea]

HEADLESSNESS, NOT PROFESSIONALISM and GREED !!! TO THE KOLI !!!
The censor exults.

[B.T.V.]

Saved on building materials to fill your moshna ?!

[not Russian]

Someone earned money on repairs. it’s clear that they’ve just done makeup. How much grief the parents brought the boys. And how after that they will not choke on this money

[Figvam]

where does the supply manager
rather, either overload, another coupler zafigachili
or some connection was considered unnecessary and removed.
in general, there will be an unsystematic swastika for all construction sites
without a definite positive result.

[Same lech]

where does the supply manager

Well, imagine VADIM that you are the owner of the apartment and the builders are demolishing the bearing wall, naturally you will stop such repairs unless of course you yourself consented to this.

[roman72-452]

The horror is simple! "Builders" to be tried for murder at least I mean the leaders of this, of course, and not the performers.

[Urri]

Something I do not see at all shutting down floor slabs in the walls. If instead of 250 mm according to SNiP laid 30-50, then it is clear why from top to bottom like a knife. And during overhaul, such tricks are the first thing, because you can’t get a slanted plate into a larger seal.
Earth rest in peace to the dead guys. Now it would be possible to grind the survivors with the leadership of the construction company in their own way, in the military.

[corn]

Quote: Urri

If instead of 250 mm according to SNiP laid 30-50,

I did not find more than 150 mm, and then from the manufacturers of ribbed plates for. 12m Therefore, a link to SNiP. Or confession of balabolstvo. In the photo, the stove is about 6m.

[alex86]

Finally, at least someone in the case.
Now let me, as a builder: a building (judging by the photo) with a supporting frame - i.e. columns and beams are reinforced concrete, floor slabs lie on the beams, raises the question of external walls - beams that have not fallen to the end are visible (keep one end, then welding remained intact, turned the mortgages), while the floor slabs were embedded in the external walls (this is a small depth of embedment - for a frame building, they should not be embedded at all), the collapse (it was said) began with the closure of the 2nd floor - if you look, then open ventilation ducts are visible on the 3rd floor (in the sense, the entrances to these ventilation ducts are visible), on there are no other floors at all, and risers (water?) are visible only on the 3rd floor (descended from above) - the conclusion is that on the 3rd floor there is a shower or kitchen in high humidity, water was poured onto the floor, the embedded parts of the beams rotted, they collapsed and pulled the whole structure.
The second version - they cut the load-bearing beam at the outer wall - we have a lot of "literate" ones - like, cut it, nothing will happen - then everything is clear.
In Kazan, according to the first option, 5 floors of the hostel collapsed (the same in the middle of the building), there were dead people. The construction was with brick walls and wooden floors, but the outer walls also collapsed ...
Therefore: if you are going to break something - ask a specialist (preferably two different ones).

[alex86]

They showed it on TV, apparently in the middle of the repair - everything was dismantled, but nothing was done - and so, the columns are not visible on the external walls, so the structure is mixed - the internal supporting frame with the plates resting on the external walls, given that the masonry mortar has crumbled in the dust - cement was under-reported, plus if my version of the shower (or kitchen) on the 3rd floor is correct, soaking, especially in winter, weakened the masonry.
Traces of the demolition of the inner walls, by the way, did not notice ...

[Dezinto]

I went to check on the censor, - everything is fine - svidodebilizm is in place - bile is flowing like joy from the grief of others. Help .... disgusting animals .... censor.net

[Teonanacatl]

Quote: DEZINTO

I went to check on the censor

insert the necessary words, according to our time and everything will grow together

[Abbra]

It was reported that the repair used drunks and drug addicts - pay less. And they made an internal reconstruction, replacing some of the walls with drywall ... Sorry for the boys. And in general - all this is terrible.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Abbra

It was reported that the repair used drunks and drug addicts - pay less.

just let's not write nonsense
what the hell is the difference a drug addict demolished a bearing support or a graduate? !!!

[Abbra]

Just let’s, without understanding, not put the stigma on colleagues! The bottom line is that repair teams were recruited through centers to combat alcohol and drug addiction. It is clear that most hard workers did not even know the basics of construction professions.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

it doesn’t matter what skills they possessed if the load-bearing elements are violated, then it is definitely not on the initiative of hard workers.

[infantry76]

Very sorry for these boys who gave their lives for someone's criminal negligence. Eternal to them Memory and earth to them rest in peace! My sincere condolences to the families of the dead paratroopers! Surviving - health and long life!
And criminals, namely, criminals - to the answer, in all severity of the law, regardless of ranks and ranks! To ruin the elite of the Russian army for the sake of their interests - CRIME!
I have the honor!

[RiverVV]

The first thing I thought about: negligent handling of explosives. Barracks after all. They could drag a box of grenades into the arms. But there is no sign of a serious explosion; there was no fire either. The most likely option: during the repair, one of the supporting structures was removed.

[meriem1]

Darkness. So, from scratch. And if it's a contractor out of cost savings. How got this greed. you need to shoot such scum.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: meriem1

And if it's a contractor out of cost savings.

what does the saving have to do if the design was disrupted, and often to expand the premises demolishing the supporting elements

[B.T.V.]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

and often to expand the premises demolish the supporting elements

In order to demolish the "bearing element", as far as I know, permission or agreement with the architectural department of the city administration is required. According to the technology, the supporting structures cannot be touched at all. In general, the prosecutor's office and the construction expert commission should deal with this, something like that.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: B.T.W.

In order to demolish the "bearing element", as far as I know, permission or agreement with the architectural department of the city administration is required.

Well, in this case, I think the city’s permission was not required, although the permission of any structures (military) should have been the same as the reconstruction project, but as usual, we decided everything by chance, we decided that the wall takes up an extra place

[Mostovik]

Though it didn’t collapse in winter, everyone would freeze under the rubble ...

[Stalnov I.P.]

In Perm, a section of the house collapsed, in Omsk, this speaks of a systemic crisis in the grown up, and in our whole life, INSOLIABILITY, which begins from the very top, the collapse of the ruble is the same as the section of the house only on a national scale there you can add sanctions, will the criminals be punished, and the stool (Serdyukov) will be punished, no POWER has created COMMUNISM of a handful of people in the economic, political and criminal spheres and the PEOPLE, seeing this, STEAL SU-I, the same begins to adjust, we steal little by little do not "thunder", that is why landslides are obtained. It's time to put things in order in the country, but can the existing government do this, my opinion is NO, I am not a supporter of liberalism and I believe that this direction of development has completely exhausted itself, only our leaders do not see and do not hear this, THEY are BLIND AND DEAF.

[Andrea]

So they are liberals. The Nabiulins, Ghefa ... Medvedev, like the president, also, for example, liked the West. I hung out time zones for myself, but I kept the time, the police ... renamed me, I don’t remember anything else. Oh yes ! Skolkovo!
I think if Putin were not the prime minister and South Ossetia would have scoured!

[Zomanus]

Judging by the photo, a new siding was hung on rotten walls. Inside can smeared, painted, that's all. It would tear off the entire siding from the walls and see what the building is like without a beautiful wrapper.

[B.T.V.]

It would not hurt to equate this "repair" with a terrorist attack and judge by this article.

[Lyton]

Indeed, I feel sorry for the guys, the guys are still completely, I hope the real culprits will be punished.

[Avas2006]

One of the reasons for the collapse is a decrease in the quality of education. Woe-specialists with building diplomas are worse than saboteurs.
You would know how many less resonant incidents are now! Touched supporting structures - got an accident.

[Styx]

Absolutely right! As the Polytech workers say: remember how you study, the doctors who will treat you also study the same way: ((((Until recently, it was very important.
Boys kingdom of heaven. Mothers will never cry forever.: (((Condolences .....

[wanderer_032]

Quote: Avas2006

Woe-specialists with building diplomas are worse than saboteurs.

And who signs them "ATM" books?
It no longer smells like a decrease in the quality of education, but its complete absence.

And moreover, "ATM", they sign off record books not only in construction and other universities, but also in legal, military, police and medical schools too.

[VP]

About 20 years ago, almost the same thing happened with the barracks of the Tomsk Higher Military Command School of Communications. Also a construction marriage. Plus, in my opinion, overloading the load with pallets of bricks and bags of cement prepared for repair and dragged into the barracks. Killed about a dozen cadets.

[warrior1979]

To be more precise, on July 17, 1997, the barracks of 2 battalions of cadets of TVVKUS collapsed. Killed 12 people

[Bassoon]

Definitely in court a company that was engaged in repairs. Judged by terrorism.

[grandfather]

Who is under trial?
The contractor only changed windows and batteries. Also redecorating.
http://ria.ru/incidents/20150713/1126351951.html

[Mountain shooter]

Building built on the 75th. There you have to look. I'm sorry for the guys. Not in battle, not "for the cause", they died. Tragedy. There will be a large-scale investigation and verification of everything and everyone. As far as I imagine Shoigu's behavior, they will get to the bottom of it. And they will be punished. Who do you need.

[old pioneer]

The panel design never inspired me confidence. Even the carrier panel is mounted on 4 points for embedded parts for welding. It is good if the length of the weld at one point is 100 mm in a circle. How the mortgage is fixed - only the fitter knows. Panel construction 25 years ago was very popular, but it looks like the operating time of these buildings is coming to an end.

[screw cutter]

I’m certainly not a builder, but I’m familiar with the compromise. As far as I understand, the bearing panels are always vertical, and the horizontal panels are just connecting and bearing panels made of high-strength concrete. So it turns out either the horizontal panels broke due to overload, or the carrier was removed or weakened.
Cadets pity the earth rest in peace. The health of the injured and the strength of relatives.

[VoenDok]

The tragedy of "Bulgaria" immediately comes to mind. The greed of businessmen is too expensive for the country. If you can't ensure quality and safety, don't take it. And if you do, go to the bunk. And there is no need to wait until so many people die again! God rest them!

[70BSN]

I see ......... As always, everyone does it superficially. They’ll build one in \ h normally, and in the report they will write in this region most of the \\ repaired and built new barracks ..... Everything is done through Zh.
All put for the boys of the dead.

Let the earth rest in peace.

[Vladimir]

Condolences to the families of the dead children. And they will find the culprits, not a question, but they are unlikely to draw conclusions for the future.

[Gray 43]

They do not save money on the defense industry now, if the building was so old, it might have been better to rebuild a new one, we would have suffered more. It's a shame !!! We make new weapons, and the soldiers are dying under the rubble of the barracks

[70BSN]

Do you think that if we make new weapons, it doesn’t reach everyone \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\nd Stock: And that the houses are old and everything else is the result ... years))) And I Served in 68! So is everything else ... WE in the winter dug up coal with a crowbar and dragged it with our bare hands. Here’s the army for you ..... As I already mentioned, they’ll make a couple of units for the region demonstrative, and the rest, as built, remain unchanged.

[Siberia55]

grandmothers washed at the cost of the lives of young boys ... the earth rest in peace, condolences to the family ...

[akribos]

Please pay attention to what this creation is made of, corrupt architecture. Metal profiles and drywall, this is such a know-how. A man, even a barn will not do that. Do you think this, only in Omsk? Countrywide. I personally saw it in Karachay-Cherkessia, in Stavropol. The main thing for the BMD are the garages, in the last word, but for the soldiers, this. Silence now did not work, because the victims. How much of this happens without the dead? Sincerely.

[okroshka79]

And here is another outraged me. The soldiers-railway workers caught up with the blockage, so they did not even give out gloves or mittens. So lumps lug with bare hands. A shame on their superiors. Here it is to drive such commanders from the army vzlashy. And as for teders, this is not only legalized corruption due to kickbacks, but universal grief for normal producers, who are the contractor of state and municipal structures in all areas, not only in construction. For a long time this has already become a parable in the town hall, and things are still there. But in the old Soviet regime, there were no tenders, and I also do not remember such nonsense, except Spitak. So there they stole concrete cement, and they themselves paid the terrible victims. It’s time, it’s high time to abandon these tenders, so our rulers will prove that the tender is right. Sorry for the young guys. Land they rest in peace. Condolences to their near and dear ones.

[70BSN]

In most tenders are held who can do cheaper, and what quality does not think about what is cheap!

[old pioneer]

Because alcoholics with drug addicts worked for a penny, that during the bidding process they became so cheap that there was nothing for skilled workers to pay.

[Tatanka Yotanka]

such barracks all over the country, he served in them, every week the glass take-off boards were cycling, I dare to suggest that instead of the provided plank floor there, a screed was put up to the floor level with concrete and the floors were poured or tiled, so the ceiling didn’t hold, the guys feel sorry for the earth to rest in peace

[YGV-97219]

In order not to rant a lot! Conduct an objective investigation, indicatively punish the guilty! Relatives of the victims to pay cash compensation! The kingdom of heaven is for the lost! Something like this!

[servant.]

The kingdom of heaven ... rest in peace ...

But Serdyukov has not been around for a long time ....

[70BSN]

And everyone saw the difference Serdyukov \ Shoigu that now you can steal, because the punishment is trifling: a couple of years of settlement, house arrest in 13 room square., Suspended sentence for a couple of years. And without confiscation all this, that is, steal do not be shy, the more the less they will ask you !!!

[Vadim237]

The guys just stole themselves at very good lawyers for this, whoever steals more often sits less - because there are grandmas for influential lawyers.

[Crown]

Section .... in a circle. Why do not one-story barracks do?

[screw cutter]

They save on heating and communications, again it takes up less space.

[Ajent cho]

Also, as an option for the cause of the collapse, I would not rule out marching in the leg.

[screw cutter]

Your humor is inappropriate.

[Ajent cho]

Quote: screw cutter

Your humor is inappropriate.

They say that the collapse happened after the lights out - I wanted to delete my previous post, but it was already answered. I also answer: no jokes and sarcasm. It is not for nothing that the barracks prohibit walking in formation in step and after the command "step march", the command "go out of step" immediately follows. Really dear screw cutter did not serve in the Army? However, all these words are absolutely not important, in comparison with what happened.

[screw cutter]

He served in the army, but I don’t remember what would have been marching in the barracks, there was enough parade ground for this, but for half an hour in the lifting-rebound in 45 seconds, for sleep, yes.

[Petrof]

While marching for lunch, we all - the whole company - fell together from the second floor to the first. The fact is that the school was located in the old building of the former orphanage of the Prince of Oldenburg. During the blockade, about twenty bombs and shells hit the building. And when we "gave a leg", hurrying to lunch, the ceiling could not stand it and the company ended up in the dining room without going down the stairs. (c) Konetsky "For a Good Hope"

[propolsky]

These are the results of a very popular repair: insert plastic windows and sheathe siding, sometimes metal. Supporting structures have not been repaired for decades. Again splashes in the eyes.

[VP]

Quote: okroshka79

And here is another outraged me. The soldiers-railway workers caught up with the blockage, so they did not even give out gloves or mittens. So lumps lug with bare hands. A shame on their superiors.

Most likely, some of them were raised on alarm and urgently thrown into liquidation, it was unlikely they were given time for a planned and comprehensive preparation, the main thing was to start as soon as possible to remove the rubble and save people, in vain you are on them

[servant.]

Where are the rescuers of the Ministry of Emergencies? Or take your time to yours?

[propolsky]

God rest the souls of the dead and give health to the rest. Holy people, Motherland defenders!

[Free Cossack]

The kingdom of heaven is innocently lost! It’s a pity, it’s a great pity the young guys, they could serve their homeland, and because of some time .. I, they are not. I was trained in this unit, lived in these barracks, though it was a very long time ago, namely in 1986. So, then they were not new. In general, this is a huge training regiment, now I do not remember exactly, but about 6 or 8 barracks like collapsed. Now each barracks must be checked for suitability. The investigation will certainly figure it out, they will find and punish the guilty, but who will return the sons to their parents ......

[Vovan 73]

Pancake. Guys just took the oath .... Relatives and friends of condolences
You can still somehow understand when they perish during exercises, as they say, anything happens .....
But!!!!
That's interesting, but what in a large regional center there was no construction company ?????
Oh yes, the 44th Federal Law, we are fighting corruption so much ... It’s just that it’s faster to deliver kickbacks to Moscow from the lower one. Here are the guys for someone's kickback and paid with their lives.
It is interesting if they find him guilty, as Vasilyeva, will also be given 2.5 years ????

[servant.]

Well, if the ward of all the hated Minister 2.5 was given, now they will probably just scold him ...

[padded jacket]

It is a pity for the guys who died at that age only because the next "businessman" wanted to buy a "new Mercedes".
Bright memory to them.

[virm]

Shoigu must resign. But, of course, he will not do it.

[servant.]

After the lame horse there was no resignation .....

[psexpert]

These are the consequences of all construction reforms in the country.
1. The liquidation of the military engineering university
2. Since July 1, all basic building codes have been canceled
3. Civil builders and unknown firms at military facilities
4. Not a single self-respecting builder and designer would allow the facade to be covered with panels. The building should be constantly monitored for the walls and condition of the building. First, walls and ceilings crack and then buildings collapse.
5. Closed all UNR SMU.
6. There is no control over the construction industry.
7. The head of the Russian Ministry of Construction bass player.
...
...
And a lot of many things.

[creep: b]

The building is visible that is new. I can’t imagine what could happen there during the repair so that the ceiling collapsed. most likely negligence during construction. some kind of marriage in building structures or a mistake in the design

[NordUral]

Guys and their parents feel sorry. And the reason for our troubles is the pursuit of money, and if we dig deeper - in the social system in which the success of a person is determined by the amount of money he has. And it does not matter, they are earned by honest labor or stolen.

[psexpert]

The usual typical barracks of the 70-80s, here is a photo before the installation of external panels. Window sills were dismantled and covered with bricks. I assume that at the crash site were next to / y. The weak point of these barracks is due to constant leaks and freezing of walls and ceilings. Well, in my military unit it was like that, but it didn’t reach the accidents. Or the old roof leaks and freezing made themselves felt. Usually, according to statistics, during a building accident, there are no victims. And here it’s completely tin, it’s a ch.

[VoenDok]

Omsk resident Vladimir Nastichenko, who participated in the repair of the barracks of the training center of the Airborne Forces, said on the air of LifeNews television channel that drug addicts and alcoholics from the rehabilitation center worked with him in the same team. These people, he said, did not have the necessary qualifications and worked in the literal sense of the word for food.
- I got a job on an ad on the Internet. He worked as a handyman. Almost 40 people worked with me, but only 5–6 of them had an understanding of what we were doing. The rest were drug addicts and alcoholics who are treated free of charge at the rehabilitation center, and work it out on such construction sites, ”Vladimir Nastichenko said shockingly.

The supply of labor for the construction site, the builder claims, was handled by a former Interior Ministry official, a certain Pavel Zinoviev.

- This scheme has existed for a long time and works to this day. In Omsk, you can find the ad “We treat alcohol and drug addiction”, and next to the same phone number there is another ad: “Movers, excavators, builders”. The organization earns in this way, - Vladimir Nastichenko explained.

There was no plan, diagrams or drawings during the repair work in the barracks of the training center of the airborne forces, the man said - all instructions were given in words.

- Inside, walls were carried out - bearing or not bearing, I do not know - and plasterboard frames were placed. At the same time, they did not give any gain to them, ”Nastichenko said.

The man added that the work was carried out not only in the collapsed barracks, but also in other buildings of the training center.

“The collapsed building was not the only one in which the restoration was carried out - the same buildings were repaired in the neighboring buildings by the same people,” says Vladimir Nastichenko. (info from LifeNews)

[psexpert]

And the most interesting thing is that there are practically no normal and responsible builders, because in the 90s, builders were invited by local smu or a trust until they were destroyed and they calculated estimates based on local prices, thereby completing the work, replenishing the local budget. 00s came up with a state order for budgetary facilities, well, where contractors from different regions could not participate, they also counted estimates at prices who have less rights. But in the 10s our government "grew wiser", and together with the terms of reference immediately gives out estimates, the price of which is already worth it, and the contractor is obliged to bring down the price to win the contract. And due to what he can bring down the so minimum estimated price, right - Unprofessional workforce and low-quality cheap building materials.

[psexpert]

In May and June, he first wrote a letter to the Ministry of Construction and they gave a formal reply. Then in June he sent Putin that construction was in trouble. But instead of the presidential administration, the Ministry of Construction responded to me again. So there is a vicious circle. The director of the contractor will be planted grief, and the real perpetrators will continue to write laws and sit in their offices.

[psexpert]

Another important point in the photo shows that the jumpers from the metal corner were seen as a replacement because there is a jumper on the next building. If the jumpers were changed from reinforced concrete to metal, then this was already a serious reconstruction. That's all!

[PValery53]

"Soldier Ivanov took the situation under his personal control ..." - This is just as funny for officials. It is indecent for any officials to use such a phrase. It is necessary to resolve "issues" and bring results. AND DO NOT BE PRIORIZED! For PR on the mountain of people to all officials - to beat in the face!

[okroshka79]

Dear VP! No wonder I am so their bosses. The tragedy happened right after the lights out. They were sent to save the guys, for sure, as soon as possible, i.e. it is still dark. And on TV they show how the guys drag these blocks with their bare hands when it's already light outside. This means that enough time has passed for which a caring commander would have organized mittens or gloves for the soldiers on alert. And some overalls too. Moreover, these are railway workers, who are not supposed to turn sleepers with their bare hands. It seems that I have pointed out a trifling question. But I think not. It is a matter of principle to take care of commanders about their subordinates in any situation, even extreme. By the way, then these footage from TV in numerous reports from the screens were removed, did you notice? Our army, thank God, is being reborn from years of oblivion. And in it it is necessary to revive and create all the best that should help strengthen the defense capability, both in large and small. Personally, once in my lieutenant years, good commanders taught the principle: "... you can eat yourself if you first fed your subordinates." In my opinion, during the current years of "perestroika-skirmish" such principles have been slightly forgotten.