Call and / or contract

Call and / or contractIn Russia, the autumn call began again. This time 135 of thousands of recruits should go to the army, i.e. half as much as last fall. The deputy chief of the General Staff, V. Smirnov, explains this reduction plan by the fact that there are enough 135 thousands for all the needs of the Armed Forces. True, it must be admitted that due to the specificity of the working days of the military registration and enlistment offices, it is very difficult to gather a large number of recruits. However, official statements by the Ministry of Defense say that the main task of the current appeal is not to collect the necessary number of future soldiers, but to recruit only healthy and service-ready guys.


At the same time, the Ministry does not forget about the transition to a professional army. The number of contract soldiers is constantly growing, but it is still far to complete transition to the army without conscripts. It should be noted that an absolute transfer of the army to a professional basis is not even planned yet, including due to the fact that the number of people willing to serve under the contract is less than what is required for a professional army. Not everyone is ready to go to contract service. The main reason for reluctance is the financial side of the issue. The promised salary, of course, is at a quite decent level, but the peculiarities of the work can repel "applicants" from the contract. There is a fairly common opinion that social motivation will help to interest those who have doubts. This may be a benefit for higher education, free housing or at least preferential terms for its purchase.

Even these steps, according to the coordinator of the organization “Citizen and Army” S. Krivenko, may be of interest to the guys from the provinces. Under such conditions, children from small towns or villages, remaining after military service, will be able to get an education and even make a career in the armed forces. In the future, all this can even restore the prestige of military service among the masses.

The idea of ​​giving contract workers benefits for education and housing is good, but all this will cost the country a lot of money. Even very large ones - it is planned that 425 will have thousands of professional soldiers in our army. Yes, and with a set of people, too, there may be problems. The majority of contract servicemen are planned to be recruited from former conscripts, but now about half of the draftees are not serving with category “A”. The level of education of draftees does not look optimistic either - only three-quarters have the total full. And do not forget about those recruits who, in good health or have an honest reprieve, or frankly "mow". It is clear that the "mower" is unlikely to voluntarily go to the contract. So the number of potential professionals is far from the mark. But in the ointment there is also a spoon of honey: the majority of those who want to go to serve under the contract will have the necessary motivation, even with a mercantile touch.

And what about the concept of a contract army, is there any sense in it? Europe and the United States decided that there is. However, in the former, all this is happening “under the sauce” of the reduction of the armed forces, while in America an unpleasant feature of a professional army has surfaced. When casualties in Afghanistan or Iraq reached a certain size, potential recruits chose to go anywhere but not to the army. Therefore, according to a number of experts, if America has to participate in a serious mass war, then it will be necessary, if not to introduce a mandatory appeal, then at least to recruit volunteers.

But Israel, which is constantly engaged in active and sometimes not very military operations, is recruiting its army in conscript form. Moreover, they serve in the IDF regardless of gender - it affects only the service life (for men - 3 of the year, for women - 2). And, interestingly, the Israel Defense Forces are one of the most advanced in the world. Even despite the frequent cries of the fundamental inferiority of the draft army.

It is believed that the army of the future will be exclusively professional. However, as American experience has shown, this is not quite the right approach to business. Also in favor of professional armies lead the complexity of modern weapons. But one can argue with that: In the Middle Ages, it took at least several months, if not years, to train an archer. To train a modern soldier to handle a machine gun is much faster. At the same time, with the advent of new types weaponstheir use and maintenance is simplified. And this is typical even for modern classes, for example, the operator of the Malyutka anti-tank missile system should have remarkable skill in order to correct the rocket flight with one button. But modern anti-tank systems only require the operator to launch a rocket, she will do the rest herself.

Thus, it can be assumed that in the near future the draft army will not go anywhere. Such armed forces may have different numbers, different equipment, etc. But the principle of formation with its mobilization efficiency is too early to send to the archive.
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  1. Aleksey42
    Aleksey42 23 October 2011 07: 17 New
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    I think Russia’s completely abandoning the draft is a big mistake. There is no doubt that we need professionals, say sergeants. People who have served on conscription are in reserve, and in the event of a major war, without mobilization on contract soldiers alone you will not go far. In addition, the army can be made a kind of "social elevator" as it was in the USSR. Indeed, in the army you can get a good specialty. For example, a driver is almost a ready-made tractor driver or combine operator, the trouble is that these professions are poorly demanded. Or continue your career in law enforcement agencies (a very common option in the Caucasus) or in the Moscow Region. And such an aspect as army friendship should not be forgotten either. Any serving person has army friends in different parts of the country, which helps to unite our homeland.
  2. Mahamont
    Mahamont 23 October 2011 07: 48 New
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    Tried to get a contract. The driver. The probationary period did not pass, he left. Due to the stupidity of the organization of the contract service itself. Adults are treated like children who need to be taught. You have to always go on a fig system ?! Even to the dining room! feeling as if in a madhouse. Okay, still with weapons. Permanent builds that are time consuming. So I realized that the officers are to hell, and everyone needs to create a working look, that they are of the type needed without them in any way. And damn they do not understand that the driver, this is not a painter, a plasterer, a janitor, etc., often have to remind such a truth. In general, adults should be taken more seriously. It is necessary to revise a little charter specifically for contract service. So that an adult would not go to the dining room, for example, and officers would not distract the work from the work. There are nuances, just a conscript and a contract soldier are different people.
    Why should all kinds of jerks stand over me when I know my work perfectly? ... That still infuriated me, so I left.
    1. almost demobil 23 October 2011 08: 20 New
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      But what's the point of going to a contract if you don’t like the buildings, you don’t have a feeling of satisfaction from walking around the ranks and the officers are discharged? There is an option for civilian personnel. A normalized day, you only do what is written in the employment contract. One pleasure!
      1. Mahamont
        Mahamont 23 October 2011 16: 35 New
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        You need to hook up a fighter with training, theory, shooting, etc., and not with a charter. Otherwise, a negative reaction to the army will remain.
    2. Phoenixl
      Phoenixl 23 October 2011 13: 19 New
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      You're basically right.
    3. Siberian
      Siberian 23 October 2011 14: 24 New
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      What is it? If you come to work as a carrier in a motor depot, then you must at least give your peer to the foremen? A soldier (conscript, contractor) knows his work, NGOs only HIS OWN! And everything else must be known and organized by an officer or sergeant, i.e. commander. And as for the "milkmen" .... In Chechnya, I have seen enough of the "brave" contractors. Before the first shot - chest with a wheel, and after - frightened children's eyes and "commander, what shall we do?"
      Ask if there is anyone, how in Afghanistan, demobilization fighters guarded their young lieutenants and why.
      1. Mahamont
        Mahamont 23 October 2011 16: 33 New
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        Unlucky for you with double basses. We, on the contrary, had serious people when he served urgently in Chechnya as well.
        1. vlbelugin 24 October 2011 16: 48 New
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          According to statistics, conscripts in Chechnya fought better than contract soldiers.
          I do not take into account the special forces. Contractors there in spirit, and not for money, arrived there.
  3. Alexey Prikazchikov
    Alexey Prikazchikov 23 October 2011 09: 42 New
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    It is necessary to contract with the appeal to combine completely the call to refuse expensively, the counter-worker must pay money and then there will be exactly one million people. For example, let the airborne assault forces and reconnaissance troops and so on be on the cantract there snipers, too, it would be nice to transfer the tank crews and crews of armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles to the contract and to transfer ordinary shooters to fuck.
    1. Phoenixl
      Phoenixl 23 October 2011 13: 21 New
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      I’m sure that in mixed parts everything will end so that the contract soldiers will roll the ruff and the conscripts will dig for them and receive for everything
  4. Ivan Tarasov 23 October 2011 09: 56 New
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    Soldier training should be strengthened.
    The army is being built in 2 stages:
    1) draft training
    2) Contract
    The service life (for draft training) should be increased to 3 years, with passing through the place of residence (quitting time 48 hours weekly, except fees).
    The salary of a soldier must be at least 10 tons. rub.
    Diet should be increased.
    Theory 30 hours a week, practice 30 hours a week.
    A modern soldier must be fluent in all types of small arms (including heavy ones), have good command of hand-to-hand combat, knowledge of medical assistance, and also have a narrow specialization.
    After the end of the military service (draft training), it will be possible to conclude a contract to continue serving in the professional army (but already with the distribution service).
    The strength of the contract army is at least 1,2 million people.
    1. Ivan Tarasov 23 October 2011 10: 17 New
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      And yet, not an unimportant detail.
      On the basis of a secondary school throughout the territory of the Russian Federation, cadet classes should be created where students, in addition to mastering the school course, will undergo pre-conscription training.
      1. almost demobil 23 October 2011 14: 23 New
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        This detail is called NVP; in the USSR it was taught in every senior class, without any cadet classes in the style of Major Payne.
        1. Ivan Tarasov 23 October 2011 16: 36 New
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          When we talk about cadets, we are talking about patriotism, instilling love for the motherland.
          NVP will not give the education that cadetism provides.
    2. Joker 23 October 2011 11: 56 New
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      Wow you turned down, 3, on call to serve wink can 5? why do little things then. You forget that the life of an ordinary person not only consists of wars, up to 18 study, 3, army, it’s in 21 to me at the institute + 5 for years and in 26 I can only marry. Cool, in 28 baby and where my youth is, marched all wink and it is not known whether it is useful to me or not.
      1. Ivan Tarasov 23 October 2011 12: 19 New
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        In this case, if you expect an early marriage, you can choose between a vocational school (after 9th grade), with the further creation of a family at 21, or the continuation of contract service (this will become your job).
        Well, if you want to go to science, or to become a high-class specialist, you will certainly have to wait.
        1. Phoenixl
          Phoenixl 23 October 2011 13: 26 New
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          3 years put up with this foolish house? Yes, no one will go to this army at all!
          30h theory + 30 prak / 5days = 12h. classes per day.
          You go down to earth. Are you ready to lead such a lifestyle for 3 years? A specialist can be trained in a year, provided that classes are held, and not the barracks to fight with soap and stuff in the snowdrifts
          1. Ivan Tarasov 23 October 2011 13: 38 New
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            Familiarity in this dialogue is useless.
            If, an optimal training program is developed (taking into account modern requirements), which implies a reduction in service life, who will not be against it?
          2. Mahamont
            Mahamont 23 October 2011 16: 28 New
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            3 years too. And who will work in the national economy, majors or something?
        2. Joker 24 October 2011 09: 26 New
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          Those. because of the army, should I choose either family or a good education?
          So I will bend better wink It seems to me that in a year with a normal training plan, you can learn a lot. The main thing is that the day pass from study, shooting, theory. And not from marching and standing on the parade ground for 3 hours or sweeping. Agree to cleaning and all kinds of outfits to be spent somewhere around the 3 part of the time in the army, why you can’t hire cleaners, cooks and outfits in the 21 century. At the expense of this time, you can teach a person something useful. And in general, you can make the army as an institution, just go for couples, roughly speaking, study until 6 in the evening, and then home. In my opinion, in that case they would mow less and the level of knowledge and practical skills would be much more.
          1. vlbelugin 24 October 2011 16: 29 New
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            In all settlements, even in the village of Gadyukino, to create military units, so that in the evening “defenders” would run to mothers.
          2. Vyalik 24 October 2011 16: 54 New
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            It takes about a year to prepare a more or less normal specialist. It will not work less. Another question is what it is necessary to teach soldiers to fight. To clean a potato also needs to be taught and to clean up after itself. But combat training should be at the forefront. But not shooting twice for the service of three rounds. Do you remember at least being taught to dig in? Do not wait for a trench digger, but burrow into the mother’s own land. Not as they showed in the movie “Soldiers.” When they dig a trench as they dig a bed. If anyone is interested review the film "They Fought for the MOTHERLAND." How did the former war veterans dig trenches. For example, we were taught the same way. But the guys who served in the 90s did not know how to dig in, because they did not learn.
  5. Owl
    Owl 23 October 2011 10: 35 New
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    Both are necessary. For general army training, a draft is required (service 2 years) for staffing infantry and tank units with positions for the training of which 3-6 months are enough. To recruit special forces, military intelligence units, air defense units, military units and A, in addition to draftees, it is necessary to recruit contractors (from soldiers who have served three quarters of their service life) to sergeant and specialist positions (radar operator, computer, etc.) from a “citizen” who served, who had been trained in an educational unit by profession and who entered into a service contract for at least 5 years). Then, with decent pay for military labor, a caste of professional sergeants and specialists in their military profession will be formed.
  6. Sorry 23 October 2011 10: 45 New
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    Everyone can only become patriots for money. Yes, this is our reality now. And we must admit this very seriously. We cannot create a reserve without planned training, and only urgent service, even one-year service, can and must give it, but for this we need the appropriate conditions in parts. Then, how and with what to lure, or as they say now to motivate contractor service at air defense points, frontier posts and other garrisons far from settlements, not to mention some towns or cities? As experience has shown, the contract service, or rather an attempt to create it, has already failed. The contract soldiers went to the police, people who are nowhere and no one needs. And the second, in parts they completely reacted without a clue that this is a new contingent, which requires corresponding relations. And the last. How to prepare people if the combat training directorates are abolished at headquarters. Who will develop the combat training course and other matters to regulate in this matter?
  7. Max79 23 October 2011 13: 04 New
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    The draft army is definitely needed, and the contract soldiers especially. Once they switched to a year of service, then excuse me, not professionals to dig gardens, but to build?! In general, I think the transition to 1 year of service is a great stupidity. If you look at it from the other side, it will work out for a soldier who does not have the slightest idea of ​​the service, which essentially should be? There is no military training, he saw weapons only at the stand or held the oath ... If for 2 years they could somehow give a shaky or roll idea military service, then 1 year ................... talking funny, especially looking at the "one-year demobilization." Contractors should only deal with military affairs and improve their fighting qualities! Then, something can somehow drive in the army ... although with our approach, usually our Russian maybe ...
    1. chehywed 24 October 2011 01: 36 New
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      Max79, not "one-year demobilization", but 6-monthly. Compared to the 2's one-year call, the number of demobilization doubled! So, without having time to understand the service, the child becomes a demobilization and presses the newly called up.
    2. Joker 24 October 2011 09: 35 New
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      Let us serve for 10 years, or in general we will be as Spartans.
      Many do not need this army, they have other goals in life, if you have a dream to run your whole life with a machine gun, without having anything behind your back, then at least do not impose your dream on normal people whose life goals are not endless wars, which is unknown when they will be, and first of all, the family and its well-being. From the fact that you will shoot cool from a machine gun, peel potatoes and sweep, your family will not increase money and your education will not improve, and it will not be known when the war will be. If at all. First of all, you think about children and grandchildren about yours, what will you leave to them after yourself? A book with stories "How I served in the army for 10 years"? So if you serve for 10 years with you and your family, you won’t.
  8. Cochetkov.serzh
    Cochetkov.serzh 23 October 2011 14: 09 New
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    Both urgent service and contract are needed.
  9. zavesa01
    zavesa01 23 October 2011 14: 13 New
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    Fixed-term service should be one year (except for the Navy) this period is more than enough to prepare the future reservist. Of course, if during the year he is trained in military affairs
    e and not by washing floors, cleaning the territory and hacking by heart charters. Yes, I completely forgot about the drill. With the main emphasis on shooting and tactical training, this is a very real time. An example is a foreign legion. The training and education of a professional army also needs to be radically changed. Focus less on patriotism, and more on combat training. It is ridiculous to see how people with 1-2 children teach a 20-year-old officer to patriotism and standards of behavior in the city. Life example: the boss is a young lieutenant in his subordination of his father. Who is teaching patriotism to whom? At the moment, even professional contractors are engaged in cleaning the territory and studying the charter. For the higher ones cannot or do not want to change anything, they say we will serve, and then do what you want. In this scenario, at least professional, that urgent service is ABSOLUTELY pointless. For the rest, I agree that we need a mixed army where there will be units on a professional basis and the so-called training centers for training future reservists.
    1. almost demobil 23 October 2011 14: 43 New
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      There are no 20-year-old officers, but not the essence. The contractor training program should be comprehensive, and they should be taught ethics, patriotism and combat work, including a young officer who was taught at the school for 5 years. Then there will be no fighters in the city in the form of cattle, dirty, unshaven and rumpled, and even with fuss fumes. Citizens look with ... bewilderment. And the Charter, a young man, is written with blood, and a professional military man is not out of place to know him. By the way, a foreign legion is not an example.
      1. Mahamont
        Mahamont 23 October 2011 17: 04 New
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        Patriotism cannot be taught. Love for the Motherland, in general, the feeling itself, is it either there or not. In many respects it depends on the parents, and not on the officers. An officer can teach examples of heroism, stories from the lives of prominent people. And this is information. And without feeling, it will fly into one ear into the other.
  10. mox
    mox 23 October 2011 14: 23 New
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    First you need to transfer certain specialties to the contract. The same is the operator of an air defense system or radar, well, what kind of conscript? An example of a professional air force army. Here and dance from this shelf.
  11. Mahamont
    Mahamont 23 October 2011 17: 32 New
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    Quote: almost demob
    By the way, the foreign legion is not an example at all


    If a serious person, a professional in his business between the Russian army and the national economy or a foreign army, always chooses the second or third, then this is not the person's fault. This means that our army has not created the conditions for normal service. Therefore, mostly adult boobies who are not in demand in the civilian world will come. No one in their right mind would want to survive all the charms of military service in adulthood, and this is endless cleaning, construction, poor nutrition and supplies. Here, examples of foreign armies will come in handy.

    It’s true that the whole economy is already being transferred to civilian personnel, which is very good. So there will be more time to educate a fighter, and not a breakdown or operator shovels and brooms.
    It is necessary that they come to the army on conviction and not out of hopelessness.
  12. mind1954
    mind1954 24 October 2011 02: 16 New
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    The issue is again discussed. Call or contract?

    This year of conscription should be promotional
    PR action, school of male partnership, soldier’s
    brotherhood, civil society.
    Which will interest young guys and make
    prestigious passing general military training!
    Which will interest those serving to stay
    on a contract, or even connect your life with
    military service!
    But it is only possible if the service will take place
    under the control of soldier organizations!

    Otherwise, so will the "deviators", "hazing,"
    and in conditions of nationalism and officer "lawlessness"
    the army will be a school of rudeness and fascism!


    Judging by the laws adopted by the owners of the existing
    regime, they see the army as, lured generals and
    their sons officers at the "nuclear buttons", ready to fight back
    from external attacks on them, stolen from the people
    mineral resources, and foreign mercenaries,
    ready to shoot at the people of the country with pleasure
    attempts to return the loot!
  13. zczczc
    zczczc 24 October 2011 15: 56 New
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    But I don’t understand the terminology a bit. Explain to me - the Soviet officer who served in the army all his life is a contract soldier or who? What's the Difference?

    There should be people in the army who serve there practically all their lives; they must teach young animals. In my opinion, this is undeniable.
  14. vlbelugin 24 October 2011 16: 44 New
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    How they lifted whiners, mammoths and other animals.
    Their food is poor. Ask your fathers who served 1972-1974. We didn’t hear about such garbage as eggs, cottage cheese, juices. Butter and then only for breakfast was given.
    Accustomed to my mothers. She will clean and wipe the ass. And then the bummer you have to do everything yourself.
    Our generation served two years and did everything in part ourselves. But the demobilization was already a first-class specialist, not on paper. Received 28 groups in the conditions of interference and transmitted 18 groups with a key.
    A soldier must do everything himself. That's why he is a soldier.
    1. Mahamont
      Mahamont 24 October 2011 17: 00 New
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      Learning to do everything CAM (housework there) should not be a soldier already (late somehow) but also a kid - before the draft. Or do you seriously believe that only the army can teach everything ?! Sorry then..

      Before the army he was already a jack of all trades. Life taught.

      And besides the army, there is still work in the civilian world. You give free rein to you and the ban of 25 years of a young man. And who will work? Majors or what?
  15. Mahamont
    Mahamont 24 October 2011 17: 25 New
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    In general, all these stereotypes about the "universal soldier" have already gotten. Junk is everything. It is necessary to break. It is necessary to do so. A young man comes to the army, be kind, here is a YEAR for you, make a defender of the Motherland. And all these your problems with borders and snow-laying and other things should concern anyone, but not a fighter. And then they drove to us like that, already in the second company! Boys who did not know how to shoot with a machine gun. And what did you do on the mainland ?, - "Oh, and so, painted borders ..."
    1. zczczc
      zczczc 24 October 2011 19: 30 New
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      Mahamontdo not make a soldier in a year. A soldier must be made every day from birth - starting from fairy tales, culture, ideology, a culture of thinking, ending with physical training. And then even a year is not enough.

      To be honest, I would have called many times - the first of the year, perhaps then half a year, then a couple of months several times. To keep in shape.

      And for 25 years, officers should serve, who, in fact, trains soldiers.
  16. kesa1111
    kesa1111 24 October 2011 18: 36 New
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    To whom he drives, 135 is enough. The son is now serving, they are making a brigade from an engineering regiment. Daily outfits after 000 days on the third. What kind of study and desire for an extra urgent.