Syrian Kurdistan: Will there be peace and freedom?

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The bloody war in the Middle East, unleashed with the direct participation of the United States and its allies, is rapidly changing the entire political map of the region that has evolved over the past century. Moreover, even the ethno-confessional map of the Middle East is undergoing major changes. Hundreds of thousands of Christians, Yezidis, Shiite Muslims flee from the war-ridden areas of Iraq and Syria, escape from death, or at least the cruel oppression guaranteed by them in territories controlled by religious extremists. The Kurds have become one of the strongest military and political actors in the Middle East in the last decade. The world's largest people, not having their own statehood, the Kurds settled in Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran. In these countries, they form a very impressive population. But Kurds also live in other states - Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, the Russian Federation, etc. Today, the Kurds are the most cohesive and active force opposing the weapons in the hands of radicals from the "Islamic State" to establish a fundamentalist regime in the territory of Mesopotamia.

Syrian Kurdistan: Will there be peace and freedom?


Iraqi Kurdistan - “exemplary autonomy”

The start of the "redrawing" of the political map of the Middle East, in fact, was given by the American invasion of Iraq, as a result of which the regime of Saddam Hussein and the Baath Party (Arab Socialist Revival) headed by him fell. It was after the Americans and their allies militarily overthrew Saddam Hussein that Iraq actually ceased to exist as a single centralized state. Iraqi Kurdistan - the northern part of the country, inhabited by Kurds and a number of other national minorities, among which the most prominent Assyrian Christians, gained serious political autonomy and in fact turned into a truly independent state. It was Iraqi Kurdistan that became a hotbed of resistance to the fundamentalists of the Islamic State. The Kurdish militia "Peshmerga" manages to maintain the territorial integrity of the autonomy and not let the radicals from the IG into its borders. On the other hand, it is on the territory of Iraqi Kurdistan that the most democratic and favorable political regime exists, which explains the massive confluence of thousands of refugees - Assyrians, Arabs, Kurds, Turkmen - from territories controlled by the Islamic State under the protection of the Peshmerga. Despite the fact that the majority of the population in Iraqi Kurdistan is Kurdish, speaking two dialects - Kurmanji and Sorani, autonomy can be called one of the most multiethnic and multi-religious regions of the Middle East, and certainly the most tolerant region. The following ethnoconfessional groups historically live in Iraqi Kurdistan: 1) Kurds are Muslims who practice Sunnism (but there is also a group of Shiite Kurds in the Khanekin region); 2) Yezidi Kurds - followers of the oldest Kurdish religion - Yezidism (Yezidis inhabit the Sinjar and Dahuk districts, here is their most important center - the temple of Lalesh); 3) Assyrians - the ancient people who are the flock of the Assyrian Church of the East; 4) Chaldeans - Arabs and Assyrians, who are believers of the Chaldean Catholic Church; 5) Turkmans, or Iraqi Turkmens; 6) Arabs, among whom there are also Sunnis, Shiites, and Christians; 7) Armenians living in Dahuk and Zakho; Kurdish Jews, or "lahlouhi". It should be noted that, despite the contradictions and even conflicts that are quite natural for any multinational region, at present Iraqi Kurdistan is practically free from serious clashes on a national basis, which is promoted by a balanced policy of the Kurdish leadership of autonomy. Despite the fact that the Kurds, the Muslims, are at the head of the autonomy, they are loyal to the Yezidis, Christians, Jews living in Iraqi Kurdistan. Iraqi Kurds have long-established ties with Russia, first with the pre-revolutionary, then with the Soviet Union, and after 1991 with the Russian Federation.

The fate of the Kurds in Syria

However, if Iraqi Kurdistan currently actually represents a real state education of the Kurds, being one of the most stable and economically prosperous regions of the de facto collapsing Iraq, the Kurdish territory in neighboring Syria - Syrian Kurdistan - faces numerous serious problems. In Syria, the Kurds have a much harder time than in Iraq, since their focus on creating their own state, or at least political autonomy, is held back by the central Syrian government of Bashar al-Assad, and neighboring Turkey, which is very negative about any attempts to create a national public education of the Kurds. In addition, in recent years, Syrian Kurds have faced a very dangerous and serious enemy - militants of the “Islamic State”, who also intend to extend their power and influence over the territory of Syria, including Syrian Kurdistan. Syrian Kurdistan is also called "Rojava", or Western Kurdistan. In the structure of the Syrian population, the number of Kurds reaches 9-10%, however many Kurdish figures consider these figures to be understated and speak about the number of Kurds in 15-20% of the population of the country. Most Syrian Kurds live in the northern and northeastern regions of Syria, adjacent to the Syrian-Turkish border, and also, like the Kurds of Iraq, are Muslims. As in Iraq, in the mountainous areas, where the Kurds constitute the majority of the population, the Yezidis also live, as well as the Assyrian Christians. Historically, the lands inhabited by the Kurds of Syria were part of the Ottoman Empire, and then came under the control of France, which gained control over the former Turkish possessions of Syria and Lebanon as a result of the First World War. It was during the period of French rule in Syria that the formation of the modern Kurdish autonomy and self-determination movement began.



In 1930-s. Syrian Kurds under the leadership of Hajo Agi, sought to create joint with the Christians - Assyrians, Arabs and Armenians, Kurdish-Christian autonomy in the north of the country. Kurdish and Christian leaders were worried about the likelihood of discrimination of Kurds and Christians by the Arab majority if Syria’s political independence was declared and French troops were removed from the country, who were the guarantors of the security of the Kurdish and Christian population. However, France did not satisfy the requests of Kurdish and Christian leaders. After the proclamation of the sovereignty of Syria, their fears came true. The country's leadership has embarked on the construction of an "Arab state", Arab nationalism has become the dominant ideology in the country. Accordingly, the national minorities of the country were in a very unfavorable position. In an effort to minimize the likelihood of the spread of separatist sentiment in the provinces populated by Kurds, the Syrian leadership back in the early 1960s. has begun to implement measures to reduce the number of Kurdish population in the north of the country. In August, 1962 was held a special population census, following which about 20% of Syrian Kurds lost their Syrian citizenship. Moreover, the operation of deprivation of citizenship was carried out fraudulently - the Kurds were asked to surrender their identity cards for exchange, but they did not receive new ones. After that, all Syrian Kurds who lost their citizenship received the official status of "foreigners" or "unregistered". Accordingly, persons with these statuses were deprived of the possibility of acquiring property, employment, marriage, not to mention participation in the political life of the country. Many Kurds who lost their citizenship were forced to give real estate to settlers - the Arabs, who replaced the Kurdish population in the northern provinces. At the same time, Syria took part on the side of Iraq in suppressing the performance of Iraqi Kurds under the leadership of M. Barzani.

In 1973, the Syrian government resettled a significant number of Bedouin Arabs from the interior of the country to the Syrian-Turkish border. According to the leadership of Syria, the “Arabization” of the border areas would be able to “cut off” the Kurdish population of Syria from fellow tribesmen in neighboring Turkey and significantly reduce the likelihood of the spread of nationalist and separatist sentiments. It also envisaged a massive eviction of the Kurdish population to other areas of the country, the renaming of geographical names and other measures aimed at the “de-curdization” of Northern Syria. The anti-Kurdish policy of the Syrian leadership ultimately led to the fact that the Syrian Kurds became one of the most radical opponents of the political regime in Damascus. In search of probable allies, they turned to the United States of America and the countries of the European Union. After all, if Turkish Kurds could count on assistance from the USSR / Russia, then there was no one to hope for the Syrian Kurds - in the confrontation between Damascus and Syrian Kurdistan, Russia would unequivocally support Damascus, since Syria has always been a strategic partner of the Russian state in the Middle East. In turn, American and European political forces interested in overthrowing or, at least, weakening the ruling regime in Syria, saw in the Kurds the likely guides of their interests. As it turned out, they were wrong. The Kurds were never interested in total war against the same Bashar Assad - they were much more important in creating their own political autonomy, and if Damascus provided this opportunity, then the contradictions between the country's Arab elite and Kurdish leaders would be largely minimized. Therefore, the United States ultimately placed not so much on the Kurds as on religious fundamentalists — yesterday’s (supposedly) opponents. Fundamentalists in the Middle East have long become one of the key instruments of American influence on the policies of Arab states trying to be independent, but during the Arab Spring and subsequent events in Libya and Egypt, Tunisia and Yemen, and the same Syria, their importance in strategic US plans to change the map of the Middle East, has increased many times.



Rojava fights

The Iraqi and later Syrian Kurds, in addition to the Syrian army of Bashar al-Assad, became one of the most efficient and effective barriers on the victorious path of the Islamic State. When, with the support of the United States and the American satellites, the “oil monarchies” of the Persian Gulf, civil war broke out in Syria, the Syrian Kurds, largely contrary to Washington’s expectations, retained relative loyalty to the Bashar al-Assad regime. This was explained by the fact that the Syrian armed opposition was actively supported by Turkey - the main, after the fall of the regime of Saddam Hussein, an opponent of the Kurdish national liberation movement in the Middle East. Secondly, the Kurds were well aware that, following the likely coming to power in Syria of religious extremists who formed the backbone of the Syrian armed opposition, the position of national minorities and religious groups of the population would sharply deteriorate. If the Asad regime pursued a discriminatory policy against the Kurds, but at least it did not act openly through criminal methods, then one could not be expected from fanatics of softness to “other” ethnic groups and religions. Turkish Kurds from the Kurdish Workers Party stated that if the Turkish army invaded Syria, which was expected in 2011 as a possible measure to support the Syrian opposition, they would fight on the side of their Syrian fellow tribesmen against the Turkish interventionists. However, in 2012, the already tense relations between the Syrian government and Kurdish political organizations deteriorated. 12 July 2012 was actually proclaimed the sovereignty of Syrian Kurdistan, whose management passed into the hands of the Supreme Kurdish Council. Naturally, this could not but lead to an armed confrontation. Clashes broke out between Syrian government forces and the Popular Self-Defense Detachments, an armed organization uniting Syrian Kurds.

For quite a short time, the Syrian Kurds managed to defeat government forces, after which the troops loyal to Bashar Assad were driven out of the territory of Syrian Kurdistan. However, having gained real autonomy, the Syrian Kurds, as was to be expected, instantly lost interest in the fight against Bashar al-Assad. Everything that happened outside the territories with the Kurdish majority, or at least a significant number of the Kurdish population, was of little interest to the leaders of the Kurdish national liberation movement. But by the autumn of 2012, relations between the Kurdish national movement and the Free Syrian Army, the armed forces of the anti-Assad opposition, sharply deteriorated. At the end of October 2012, fighting took place between Kurdish units and opposition units in the vicinity of Aleppo. But then the Kurds again resumed cooperation with the Syrian Free Army. But the allied relations between the opposition and the Kurdish movement did not develop - again, because of the activities of religious radicals, who occasionally made provocations that forced the Kurds to engage in military operations against opposition units. In 2013, Arab-Kurdish clashes began in Hasek, which became a response to the anti-Arab demonstration of Arabs by Syrian government forces. At the same time, differences have grown within the Kurdish national liberation movement itself. After all, the Syrian Kurds did not demonstrate political unity - among them were both supporters of Iraqi Kurdistan’s leader M. Barzani and sympathizers of the Kurdish Workers Party, communists, as well as groups closer to the ideological attitude to religious fundamentalists. Nevertheless, the decisive role in the Kurdish national movement in the north of Syria belongs to the Democratic Union party, founded in 2003 and, in fact, controlling the detachments of the people's self-defense of Syrian Kurdistan. This party is under the strong ideological and organizational influence of the Kurdistan Workers 'Party operating in Turkey, which allows opponents to directly call it a branch of the Kurdistan Workers' Party in Syrian territory.



The Democratic Union Party is led by Salih Muslim Muhammad (born 1951), considered one of the most influential Kurdish politicians in the Middle East. Salih Muslim began his political activities in his youth, when he was a student at a technical university in Istanbul. For a long time, he worked as a chemical engineer in Saudi Arabia, then returned to Syria, where he actively participated in the activities of the Democratic Party of Syrian Kurdistan (a branch of the Barzanist Democratic Party of Kurdistan), but then left 2003 and joined the Democratic Union. In 2010, he was elected leader of the Democratic Union party. Since 2003, Mr. Salih Muslim, like many other Kurdish political figures of modern Syria, have been arrested and imprisoned several times for his public activities. He is currently a deputy to the National Coordinating Committee for Democratic Change. The son of Salih Muslim died in 2013 in a battle with the Islamists.

Incarnate utopia

The detachments of the people's self-defense (Yekîneyên Parastina Gel, YPG) is in some way a unique military organization. Formally, it is not the armed wing of any political party, and in fact, although it operates under the control of the Democratic Union, it includes people of very different political views, religious and even national affiliation. The number of people's self-defense detachments is estimated to be no less than 20 thousand people. In fact, the detachments represent the people's militia, in which commanders are chosen by democratic voting, and the political views of specific soldiers and commanders are considered as their private matter. It is known that foreign volunteers who come to Syrian Kurdistan from all continents - from Europe, Asia, America, Australia - are fighting in the squad of people's self-defense. A significant part of the volunteers are people from Russia, there are Americans, Canadians, Australians, citizens of European countries, including many with military background and real combat experience. In addition to the “adventure seekers” and professional “soldiers of fortune”, ideological leftists fight in Syria for the Kurdish militia, including members of the Turkish Maoist Communist Party of the Marxist-Leninist, Greek radical communist organizations. The Turkish Maoists in the spring of 2015 distributed a message about the formation of the International Brigade by the Communist Marxist-Leninist Party of Turkey, which would inherit the glorious traditions of the international brigades formed by the Communists to participate in the Spanish Civil War in the late 1930. on the Republican side. The “calling card” of the people's self-defense detachments is a huge percentage of women serving in combat units on a par with men. According to some reports, women and girls make up 40% of the personnel of the Syrian Kurdistan militia.

Since 2013 and for more than two years, the radical Islamists have been the main opponents of the Popular Self-Defense Forces of Syrian Kurdistan. It is against the Syrian opposition that the Kurds are fighting in the north-east and north of the country. The Islamists have declared the Kurdish national movement to betray the anti-Assad coalition, although at present the Kurds oppose both religious fundamentalists and the Assad government. Moreover, the leadership of the “Democratic Union” party, which dominates in Syrian Kurdistan, does not advocate the declaration of full political independence of the region, since the party adheres to more autonomist than separatist positions. The party sees its goal in creating a democratic Kurdish autonomy, on the territory of which, at the same time, representatives of all other ethnic groups in the region - Assyrians, Armenians, Arabs, Turkmen, etc. - can live. After the power of the central government of Syria was actually overthrown in Syrian Kurdistan, fundamental changes took place in the political structure of the region. The movement for a democratic society is broader than the Democratic Union Party, a socio-political movement in Syrian Kurdistan, and in fact it is on its basis that a new system of administrative and political management of the territories populated by Syrian Kurds has been formed. On the territory of Syrian Kurdistan organized by people's councils, elected by direct vote of local residents and performing the functions of local government and arbitration courts. The Soviets nominate deputies of the People’s Congress of Western Kurdistan.



The doctrine of the organization of self-government in Syrian Kurdistan was based on the work of the famous Kurdish leader and ideologist Abdullah Ocalan, in which the founder of the Kurdish Workers Party seriously criticizes the idea of ​​a national state and advocates democratic confederation. According to many researchers, the ideas of anarchism had a direct impact on the ideology of the Kurdish resistance, especially in the aspect of organizing the political management of society. It is known that while serving a life sentence in a Turkish prison, Abdullah Ocalan continues to improve his political knowledge, including familiarizing himself with the works of theorists of alternative socialist thought, including popular Western anarchist and eco-socialist authors. The ideas of democratic confederation originate from these works. According to the concept of Ocalan, which has become established in the Kurdish movement, the national state and big business are currently the main and very serious threat to the development of civil society and individual human freedom. In accordance with this concept, individual and collective human rights are closely interconnected and interaction in a collective, an example of which is participation in the people's militia, acts as one of the main tools for the protection of individual rights and interests. Based on the same doctrine, the armed formations of the Kurds do not set as their goal aggression against neighboring states or the seizure of any territories in which the Kurds do not form a national majority. It is obvious that the activities of the people's self-defense detachments and the “asaishi” detachments - the local law-enforcement structure - have a productive impact on strengthening order in Syrian Kurdistan. Moreover, this rather conservative region is gradually being modernized, including in socio-cultural terms. Thus, at the level of official ideology, there is a struggle against manifestations of discrimination of national minorities and women, polygamy, the practice of “honor killings” and forced marriage. Those 40% that women and girls make up in the ranks of the Kurdish militia are in fact the achievement of a renewed Kurdish ideology, according to the principles of which in all government bodies, armed forces and law enforcement bodies men and women should be no less than 40% of the total number of fighters, commanders, or employees. Compared to other political movements in the Middle East, the Kurdish national liberation movement is a rare example of secular, democratic and socialist power that has real potential to influence the change in the military-political situation in the region.

Enemies and Opponents

The radical fundamentalists, supported by the monarchies of the Persian Gulf and, indirectly, by the United States, are viewed by the Kurdish movement as the main opponents, encroaching upon the affirmed democratic and socialist values. On the other hand, no less negative reaction from the Kurds is caused by the Assad government, which did not go to democratization of political life and recognition of the rights of the Kurdish population of Northern Syria. In fact, the Syrian regime itself is to blame for the current political situation. So, many Kurds have felt on themselves the “charms” of the policies of the Arab nationalists, who were striving for the “Arabization” of the Kurds-populated lands in the north of the country. Although in fact, the regime of Bashar al-Assad secretly acknowledged, at least in the short term, the reality of the existence of Kurdish autonomy in northern Syria. This decision of the Syrian leader is evidenced by the fact that in recent times there have been fewer clashes between government forces and Kurdish troops. After all, the main enemy at the moment, and Bashar al-Assad, and the Kurdish national liberation movement one - radical fundamentalists from the organization "Islamic State". It is precisely the armed activity of this organization that destabilizes the situation in the Syrian lands inhabited by the most diverse peoples and ethnic groups.



Another very strong and dangerous player is neighboring Turkey. Naturally, Turkey, which has the largest enclave of Kurds in the Middle East in its territory and population, will never, at least sincerely, support the Kurdish national liberation movement even in other states. Turkey sees a dangerous precedent and a negative example for its own Kurds in creating wide political autonomy in the territory of Syrian Kurdistan. Moreover, there is an obvious ideological affinity between the Kurdistan Workers Party, operating in Turkey, and the Democratic Union, operating in Syrian Kurdistan. Therefore, Turkey is focused on weakening Syrian Kurdistan and is blocking the Turkish-Syrian border in order to prevent the supply of weapons and other goods for Syrian Kurds. Turkey also does not allow Kurds - Turkish citizens, who are going to fight as volunteers as part of the people's self-defense detachments, across the Syrian border, purposefully seeking to limit any assistance opportunities for the Syrian Kurds. The blockade of the border by the Turkish side creates a lot of problems for Syrian Kurdistan, including humanitarian ones, as it directly impedes the transportation of humanitarian supplies to the region, including those sent to help thousands of refugees hiding in Syrian Kurdistan.

In June, the Tayyip Erdogan 2015 declared openly that Turkey would never allow the creation of a new independent state of the Kurds on its southern borders and would apply all possible forces and resources to hinder this idea. Thus, Ankara once again signed in its openly anti-Kurdish position. And this is at a time when the Kurdish militia at the limit of forces leads a bloody war with the militants of the "Islamic State". Obviously, the ideas of Turkish nationalism, implying, among other things, the denial of the need to create Kurdish autonomy or statehood, in the minds of the Turkish ruling elite still prevail over the desire to protect the Middle East from the terrorist threat from the IG. Preventing full-fledged cooperation between Turkish and Syrian Kurds for Ankara is much more important than helping to defeat the formations of the “Islamic State”. In addition to considerations of preserving the territorial integrity of Turkey and the domination of the Turkish nation in the country, the ideology of the Syrian Kurds is also causing discontent. The model of the socio-political system that is being implemented in Syrian Kurdistan very frightens the ruling circles of Turkey and other states of the region. After all, the emergence of non-capitalist democratic public education, even if autonomy within the Syrian state, is a very serious indication of the ineffectiveness of the capitalist model, the “market democracy” approved by the United States of America and its satellites as the main and almost only vector of social and economic political development of modern society. Kurdish political analyst Jamilya Kochoyan argues that it is Turkey that is also interested in overthrowing the Assad regime, and, even more, in weakening and suppressing the Kurdish national movement. According to J.Kochoyan, the Turks are even ready to come to terms with the activities of the “Islamic State”, if only the Islamists have fulfilled an important function - they would destroy the beginnings of Kurdish democratic and socialist statehood in Northern Syria.

As for the United States, although they formally demonstrate their support to all national minorities in the Middle East, they are also actually in a camp hostile to the Kurdish national movement of Syrian Kurdistan. After all, it was the United States that formed and launched radical fundamentalist projects in the Middle East, prepared the ground and conditions for armed uprisings in a number of Arab countries. Finally, the US troops and armed forces of the US satellites took and take part in hostilities on the territory of the Middle Eastern states. Moreover, the United States does not see much sense in the recognition of Syrian Kurdistan, and does not want to quarrel with the Turkish leadership. Since Turkey is the only more or less efficient country in the region, which is, among other things, a member of the NATO bloc, the opinion of the Turkish leadership for the American leadership and command has a certain authority. Washington will not quarrel with Ankara, stimulating the struggle of the Kurds for creating their own state.

Finally, very complex relations are developing among Syrian Kurds from the Democratic Union with their closest neighbors and fellow tribesmen - Iraqi Kurds. Here there is a political confrontation between supporters of M. Barzani and the political line pursued by him, and the Democratic Union. Syrian Kurds are more radical than their Iraqi counterparts, oriented toward large-scale democratic and socialist transformations. Tens of thousands of immigrants from Rodzhava - Syrian Kurdistan - today are in the territory of Iraqi Kurdistan, where they are waited for by more or less tolerable wages. In addition, the military-political situation in Iraqi Kurdistan is much more calm than in the north of Syria. The leadership of the Kurdistan Democratic Party, ruling in Iraqi Kurdistan, hopes over time to push the Democratic Union from leading the national movement of the Syrian Kurds, for which it carries out the training and training of the fighters of the Popular Self-Defense Forces on its territory. This training is conducted by fighters and commanders not related to the Democratic Union. True, it is hardly possible that the representatives of one political tendency of the Kurdish national liberation movement will raise arms against their fellow tribesmen, guided only by ideological and political contradictions.

Syrian Kurdistan is in a very difficult situation - politically, militarily, and economically. The more valuable and unique is the experience of the political forces that dominate the Rjava territory, which are trying to build a truly democratic and socially oriented society on the lands controlled by the Kurdish militia. Time will tell whether the Kurds of Syria will be able to maintain their political independence and simply survive in such a hostile environment. It is quite likely that the hour is close when the largest people in the world without a state will acquire its political sovereignty, repelling the threats of all its many opponents and preventing the construction of a totalitarian fundamentalist state in the ancient Kurdish land.
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  1. 0
    8 July 2015 05: 41
    weighted article ...
    but IMHO, the Americans want to create an independent Kurdistan under their protectorate: this will inflict a simultaneous blow to Syria, Iran and Turkey, and partially solve the problem of Iraq, giving the United States a new ally in Israel, which has recently been very out of sorts)))
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      8 July 2015 09: 27
      Quote: Raven
      Americans want to create an independent Kurdistan under their protectorate: this will inflict a simultaneous blow on Turkey’s Syria and Iran and partially solve the Iraq problem, giving the United States a new ally in Israel, which has recently been very out of sorts)))


      It’s probably not worth it to be particularly deceived about the Kurds. Like all eastern peoples, they are greedy, especially leaders ...
      1. 0
        9 July 2015 06: 21
        Verxuska PKK s momenta sozdanii partii dali klyatvu, chto ne kto iz nix ne pojenitsya, ne budet imet detei, poka ne budet Svobodnii Kurdistan, v tom chisle Odjalan.A ix bilo bolshe 50-i cheutenet do,
  2. +2
    8 July 2015 05: 54
    For a long time I did not get such pleasure from the balanced article.
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      8 July 2015 06: 46
      wink ...............

    2. +1
      8 July 2015 09: 56
      The only thing "unweighted" in this article is the photos. Judging by them, the Kurds are the Amazon people: women are all with machine guns, everyone is at war, and men, apparently, are sitting at home with their children. bully
      1. +1
        8 July 2015 12: 09
        Quote: alebor
        Judging by them, the Kurds are the people of the Amazons: women are all with machine guns, everyone is at war, and men, apparently, are sitting at home with their children.

        It’s not that men are sitting at home. It’s just real that there are a lot of women in the PAC and in its wing in Syria. There are not a few women commanders.
        This always surprised me. Of all the peoples of the East, this is characteristic only of them. Although they do not have a shortage of men and they have some of the best demographic indicators in the East. It is connected with the mentality and role of women in society.
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          9 July 2015 06: 16
          kurdskaya poslovitsa glasit: lev est lev, kakaya raznitsa lev ili lvitsa.
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  3. +2
    8 July 2015 07: 03
    As for the Kurds, I would not flatter myself strongly. Maybe I was just unlucky, but I had a chance to communicate back in the days when they came to our study with some representatives of these "proud and courageous". Rare bastards in their human qualities were tovarischi, pure joggers in their worst hypostasis - they all owe them from the very creation of the world.
    I repeat once again - the opinion is purely subjective, but the imprint has remained for life, although it has already been a quarter of a century since then.
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      8 July 2015 12: 10
      Quote: inkass_98
      I repeat once again - the opinion is purely subjective, but the imprint has remained for life, although it has already been a quarter of a century since then.

      Very accurate and correct opinion. They are considered as such.
  4. +2
    8 July 2015 07: 21
    Turks severely oppress Kurds. Because of this, hate each other. Kurds openly wear T-shirts and caps with the inscription "KURDISTAN" which infuriates the Turks. Their number in Turkey really inspires about 20 million and this is only official data. The slightest outbreak and conflict is ensured as it was last year, when the Kurds tore down the Turkish flag, then trampled it and burned it, after which a state of emergency was introduced
    1. +3
      8 July 2015 10: 03
      Quote: Mujahiddin777
      Turks severely oppress Kurds. Because of this, hate each other. Kurds openly wear T-shirts and caps with the inscription "KURDISTAN" which infuriates the Turks. Their number in Turkey really inspires about 20 million and this is only official data. The slightest outbreak and conflict is ensured as it was last year, when the Kurds tore down the Turkish flag, then trampled it and burned it, after which a state of emergency was introduced

      According to studies by Turkish demographers themselves, if the population growth in Turkey continues at its current pace, then by 2050 the Kurds will make up half of the Turkish population, the Kurds have a high birth rate due to the fact that the majority of the Kurdish population lives in rural areas, and Turks in For the most part, they became Europeanized and live in cities. Having carried out the genocide of Armenia, Turkey only strengthened the Kurds, for whom the Armenians were a natural counterweight, the main beneficiary of the massacre of Armenians were not Turks, as it sounds paradoxical, but Kurds on all the lands where Armenians lived, Now not Turks live, but Kurds.
      1. 0
        8 July 2015 12: 26
        Quote: Sparapet
        According to studies of Turkish demographers themselves, if the population growth in Turkey continues in its current form and pace, then by 2050 the Kurds will make up half the population of Turkey,

        Turks can easily solve this problem if they stop playing soft Europeans and start pursuing a tougher policy.





        These are Kyrgyz immigrants. When they were expelled from Afghanistan, Turkey accepted them. They settled in a region where only Kurds live. At that time there was no PKK and its fight against Turkey. As soon as the terrorist attacks began, the whole village was armed and they are defenders It is clear that the Turks are a single people, their adaptation took place instantly. By the way, the practice of arming the population of villages in Turkey is usually widespread, these are Turkish enclaves surrounded by Kurds or Kurdish villages that do not support the PKK and openly enter into a united Turkey. called Köy Koruyucusu i.e. defenders of the village. It's simply that the region is huge and geographically complex and army units cannot always arrive quickly. Therefore, arming a village reduces the likelihood of a PKK attack because the village is armed, as well as defenders of the village can support the army in carrying out various types of operations. Moreover, they are good familiar with the surroundings.

        Turks can easily vacate strategically defined places and resettle the Turks of Central Asia. Of course, it can be done more easily with the Azerbaijanis of Iran and the Turkmens (subethnos of Azerbaijanis) of Iraq and Syria and the Uighurs of China. But from a strategic point of view, this is not right, since this will reduce these peoples in their countries of residence and weaken their position. Therefore, it is more profitable to bring people from the already prepared Türk states, where this will not lead to problems, but rather will allow to unload these countries. But the power of Erdogan and the game of Europeanism do not allow this.
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          9 July 2015 06: 10
          "The Turks can easily solve this problem if they stop playing soft Europeans and start pursuing a tougher policy." , kotorii techenye svoego sushestvovanye priviklo k svobode bezpolezno derjat v zaperti, tolko likvidatsya, a eto nevozmojno.
      2. 0
        8 July 2015 19: 15
        Well, the Kurds and participated in the genocide with all their might. With great enthusiasm.
    2. 0
      8 July 2015 12: 14
      Quote: Mujahiddin777
      Their number in Turkey really inspires about 20 million and this is only official data

      There is no official data less. The figure of 20 million is the data of the Kurds.
      But you don’t have to take it literally. There are many mixed families. And many who do not contain the PPC and the idea of ​​Kurdistan they consider themselves part of Turkey.
      For me, those who separate from themselves from Turkey and against him 10 million.
      1. 0
        9 July 2015 05: 59
        Do 90-ye godi proshlogo veka turetskii rejim ne priznaval sushestvovanye kurdskoi natsii, xotya bi 25% bili kurdami.Ne odnogo natyonalnogo shkola, ne odnogo pechatnogo sredsstva massovogo informatsii na kurds
  5. 0
    8 July 2015 08: 19
    The hypocrisy of the "world community" truly knows no boundaries. It demands the creation of a state for the non-existent people of the "Palestinians", and refuses to do so for 40 million Kurds.
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      8 July 2015 12: 22
      Quote: professor
      The hypocrisy of the "world community" truly knows no boundaries. It demands the creation of a state for the non-existent people of the "Palestinians", and refuses to do so for 40 million Kurds.

      Professor, why does the Palestinian people "do not exist"? Probably because they live in the kosher promised territory, on which the Jews have their eyes?
      1. +1
        8 July 2015 12: 34
        Quote: 0255
        Professor, why does the Palestinian people "do not exist"? Probably because they live in the kosher promised territory, on which the Jews have their eyes?

        People -
        1) the population of a particular country; Mandatory Palestine is a country?
        2) the historical community of people: There is no Palestinian language, Palestinian religion, Palestinian writing, Palestinian culture. Arabs began to be called Palestinians only in the 1960s. Prior to this, the Jews of today's Israel were called Palestinians. It is impossible to distinguish a "Palestinian" from, say, a Jordanian or a Sunni Syrian, since they are one people. They have a single historical community including culture, language, religion, writing, customs ...
        Kurds are a people. Palestinians fiction. fellow
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          8 July 2015 16: 24
          Arabs and Jews of Palestine are one people. Let's just say cousins. They live in the same territory, the language is similar, the story is common, the genotype too. They didn’t agree with religion. So it was so long ago that no one remembers.

          The Palestinian people exist. I agree that the Palestinians called the Jews who lived in Palestine. But now in Israel the majority of the allochthonous population. And autochthons, these are just Arabs.

          If you want to live in peace, follow UN resolutions on the creation of two states. And there will be peace and love for you. After 75 years of war, it's hard to believe, but otherwise ... it will only get worse.
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            8 July 2015 18: 17
            Quote: Bakht
            The Palestinian people exist.

            They say that God also exists, but no one has seen him. So it is with the Palestinians ... laughing

            PS
            Who do you think is in the photo?


            And this?
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              8 July 2015 18: 29
              Your position is clear. But here's a question for you. The state of Palestine must be created. Everyone agrees with this. The question is simple - how do you define the territory of the West Bank? The territory of the state of Israel? Or the state of Palestine? Or maybe it's occupied territories? The third option is accepted in the world community which you so strive to comply with. And generally accepted at the UN.

              Arabs living in the West Bank are Israeli citizens? Have rights, can serve in the IDF? You have an apartheid state. Leave the photos alone. The people or not the people, but the first and most necessary part of the STATE is the land. And it is occupied by Israel. And the Arabs living in Palestine are the same Palestinians as the Jews.

              PS Just an addition. In Baku there was a large colony of Jews. Some 200 or 300 thousand Jews. I have half of my friends now in Israel. And if necessary, even to your Avigdor Lieberman I can convey my thoughts. True, he does not agree with them. I know your realities very well. If you do not achieve peace with the Palestinians, then sooner or later a kayuk will come to Israel. And the less photos you publish, the better for the Jews.
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                8 July 2015 18: 42
                Quote: Bakht
                Your position is clear. But here's a question for you. The state of Palestine must be created. Everyone agrees with this.

                It has already been created. Both the Jewish and the Arab states have already been created on the territory of the Palestinian Authority. 80% of the so-called "Palestinians" live there. And it was created on the land allocated for this. Its capital is Rabat Amon.

                Quote: Bakht
                The question is simple - how do you define the territory of the West Bank?

                What kind of "West Bank" is this? Judea and Samaria? Duc Jews and Samaritans should live there. Let them decide which state to join.

                Quote: Bakht
                The third option is accepted in the world community which you so strive to comply with. And generally accepted at the UN.

                The Arabs did not accept this UN document for execution and it has lost force.

                Quote: Bakht
                Arabs living in the West Bank are Israeli citizens? Have rights, can serve in the IDF? You have an apartheid state.

                Tajiks living in Moscow, Russian citizens? Are Samalis living in Germany German citizens?

                Quote: Bakht
                And the Arabs living in Palestine are the same Palestinians as the Jews.

                What territory do you mean? This one?

                Quote: Bakht
                There was a large colony of Jews in Baku

                There has never been a Jewish colony in Baku. Jews are not colonists.

                Quote: Bakht
                And the less photos you publish, the better for the Jews.

                Well, who is in the photo? wink

                PS
                By the way, I myself was born in Azerbaijan.
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                  8 July 2015 19: 16
                  To blame, not the PLO charter but the Palestinian Charter. I did not specifically seek, because I know the position of the Palestinians on this issue. Just read on Wikipedia. As well as the position of the Zionists.

                  No Palestinian State exists. Its territory is under the occupation of Israel. This is recognized by the UN and a bunch of world states. And a lot of it. Like Russia, Thai in Europe. When I write a colony of Jews, I mean people living in the city. In Russian, it is customary to designate such clusters as the Russian colony in Baku or the Jewish colony.

                  The conversation was about the Palestinian people. The name Palestine was rejected by the Jews from the very beginning. So the flag was raised by the Arabs. A Palestinian state will be created anyway. This is a big topic and I argued a lot about the territories. This is the basis for a peace treaty. Unfortunately, Israel does not understand this.

                  You know, I’m completely uninterested in watching photos of some people. And even more so to determine their nationality. You just accept that such a people exists. It is recognized by almost the whole world, and even the UN celebrates the day of the Palestinian people. And your speculation that such a people do not exist will lead to the destruction of the state of Israel. Since I have many friends there, I would not want this.
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                    8 July 2015 19: 30
                    Quote: Bakht
                    No Palestinian State exists. Its territory is under the occupation of Israel. This is recognized by the UN and a bunch of world states. And a lot of it. Like Russia, Thai in Europe.

                    How does it not exist? And the Arab state of Jordan with 80% of the Palestinian population created on the territory of Mandatory Palestine? wink

                    Quote: Bakht
                    When I write a colony of Jews, I mean people living in the city. In Russian, it is customary to designate such clusters as the Russian colony in Baku or the Jewish colony.

                    You would have to figure out the difference between a colony and a community !!!

                    Quote: Bakht
                    The name Palestine was rejected by the Jews from the very beginning. So the flag was raised by the Arabs. A Palestinian state will be created anyway. This is a big topic and I argued a lot about the territories.

                    The word "Palestine" was even on Jewish banknotes, and you say it was rejected. Golda even had a Palestinian passport. By the way, the Arabs "raised the flag" only in 1964. And what did they do for 18 years and what did they call themselves? wink

                    Quote: Bakht
                    . You just accept that such a people exists.

                    It’s like with aliens, there will be evidence of their existence and then I will immediately put up with their existence.

                    Quote: Bakht
                    And your speculation that such a people do not exist will lead to the destruction of the state of Israel.

                    Yes, I am like this. I am omnipotent and my fabrications lead to the destruction of the state. wassat
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                      8 July 2015 19: 39
                      I said that your position is understandable and incorrect. I argued a lot with Lieberman's supporters. Jordan is not Palestine. So Arabs living in the West Bank are not Israeli citizens? and then who are they? Tajiks living in Moscow? You yourself would have decided. I say Israel occupied an alien territory. And if the Golan Heights were unilaterally annexed to Israel, then even the Zionists do not dare to do this about the West Bank.

                      Is a colony or a community important? Is something changing in this dispute?

                      As the name of the state of Israel was thought up, it can be found in historical studies. The name Palestine was rejected unanimously by the Jews.

                      What they did not even 18 years old, and I considered 20 years old is another question. The topic does not apply. I consider this issue when the Palestinians (Arabs) talk about the borders of the 67th year.

                      Your fabrications by themselves mean little. Like mine by the way. But when the foreign minister and the presidential candidate speak, this is a slightly different matter. I’m unlikely to learn anything new here.

                      Apparently your eyesight is badly damaged. The United Nations sees the Palestinian people, but you do not. There is nothing to be done.
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                        8 July 2015 19: 42
                        Let's conclude this debate when you present examples of the attributes of the "Palestinian people".
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                        8 July 2015 19: 53
                        Stop it, because it's useless. The attributes of the people are something interesting. I understand that you mean language, culture or something else? These are not prerequisites. For example, the Austrian people and the German people. Or the American people. Terminology is a terrible thing. All the time I tried to find out the difference between a people, a nation and a community :-)
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                        8 July 2015 20: 09
                        Quote: Bakht
                        For example Austrian people and немецкий people. Or American people. Terminology is a terrible thing. All the time I tried to find out the difference between a people, a nation and a community :-)

                        PEOPLE - 1) population of a certain country; 2) the historical community of people:
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        8 July 2015 15: 39
        because "Palestinians" are the same Jews, only Muslims, like all Arabs, in general. you are not aware that Arabs and Jews belong to the same language group, called Semitic.
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          8 July 2015 18: 13
          Quote: Functional
          because "Palestinians" are the same Jews, only Muslims, like all Arabs, in general. you are not aware that Arabs and Jews belong to the same language group, called Semitic.

          Jews are Palestinians. Their language is Hebrew, and the religion is Judaism.




          Golda Meir:
          -There is no nation like the Palestinians; they never existed. Until 1948, we were Palestinians. (June 15, 1969)
          -We are all Palestinians, do we need evidence? I still have an old passport.
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            8 July 2015 18: 38
            Golda Meir was Palestinian. She is not lying. This and the Arabs recognize. What is the problem? Have you read the PLO Charter? The Palestine Liberation Organization considers everyone who lives in Palestine until 1948 to be Palestinians. Both Arabs and Jews. And this is much closer to the truth than your writings ....
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              8 July 2015 18: 46
              Quote: Bakht
              Have you read the PLO Charter? The Palestine Liberation Organization considers everyone who lives in Palestine until 1948 to be Palestinians. Both Arabs and Jews. And this is much closer to the truth than your writings ....

              In what article of this charter is it written? Can I link? I don’t find it ...
              OOP CHARTER.
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              8 July 2015 18: 46
              Paragraph 5. Palestinians are Arab citizens who permanently resided in Palestine until 1948, regardless of whether they were evicted or stayed there. All born of a Palestinian father after this date in Palestine or beyond are also Palestinians.

              Paragraph 6. Jews traditionally resident in Palestine prior to the Zionist invasion should also be considered Palestinians

              This is just for speed from Wikipedia. The Palestinian people arose in response to the claims of Israel on Arab lands. And no matter how many arguments they give, this people already exists. No justification for the period of existence can serve as an excuse. In the end, the modern peoples of Europe did not develop 1000 years ago, but much later.

              So in order not to be distracted from Kurdistan, you can continue to believe that such a people does not exist. Your position will not lead to peace in any way. The Palestinian people exist and have proved this by their struggle. As well as the Kurdish people. And even if it arose not 3000 years ago, but only 50 years ago, this does not change anything.
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                8 July 2015 18: 49
                Quote: Bakht
                The Palestinian people exist and have proved this by their struggle.

                It's true. There he is.
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                8 July 2015 19: 21
                IIIii .... the opponent merged! ))))
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                  8 July 2015 19: 26
                  In the age of the Internet, finding a photo is not difficult. It’s just that neither this photo nor the others say anything to me. Jews even in Africa are. And by the scarf to determine who is Arab, Jordanian or Palestinian in the photo - it really does not apply to the topic. You can fast. But I'm used to serious conversations. Tie the wrong keffiyeh on the head is not the biggest sin.
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                    8 July 2015 19: 33
                    Quote: Bakht
                    In the age of the Internet, finding a photo is not difficult. It’s just that neither this photo nor the others say anything to me. Jews even in Africa are. And by the scarf to determine who is Arab, Jordanian or Palestinian in the photo - it really does not apply to the topic. You can fast. But I'm used to serious conversations. Tie the wrong keffiyeh on the head is not the biggest sin.

                    Arab, Jordanian or Palestinian? Is there a difference? After all, this is one and the same.
                    Do not want a photo, I'll post the video to you. Determine who it is, Arab, Jordanian or Palestinian?
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                      8 July 2015 19: 42
                      You know the same thing to me. For them, no. Arab is a generic name. Almost the majority of the inhabitants of the Near and Middle East are Arabs. But still we live in an age of nation-states. That's your problem (Israel) that you do not see the difference. But she is.
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                        8 July 2015 20: 11
                        Quote: Bakht
                        That's your problem (Israel) that you do not see the difference. But she is.

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                      8 July 2015 19: 45
                      If you are so fond of links instead of analysis, then here's an old one.


                      In Russian, to make it clear to everyone. I try to speak without riddles and understandable language.
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                        9 July 2015 12: 58
                        And here you are, briefly

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    8 July 2015 08: 48
    It is better now to create a truly independent Kurdistan than to wait until it passes under the protectorate of the SGA ...
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      8 July 2015 16: 25
      Now it is better not to rock the boat and run over ISIS. This is a Number Van problem.
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    8 July 2015 09: 52
    And what will Kurdistan do after independence? (Political and rhetorical question) wink
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      9 July 2015 05: 47
      Ya dumayu, pervii ochered otkroyut ochen mnogo uchebnye zavedenye, chtobi narod oshushal vkus svoego yazika, kotoroe ochen dolgoe vremya bilo v zaprete.
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    8 July 2015 09: 56
    When already these radical Muslims will run wild and kill each other .... Who interfered with them (in Afghanistan), when the USSR set up schools, universities ... and many many other useful social objects - to build a normal, secular state? .. What are they so attracted to radicalism? After all, all this crap with cutting heads and shouting to Allah Akbar is primarily from illiteracy and sometimes even its absence. The issue will be resolved with education, normal social institutions, medieval radicalism will come to die ...- VANGUY. And so, the article is very balanced and informative. It’s immediately clear that the author seriously analyzed the topic
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    8 July 2015 13: 58
    I agree with the Professor that a nation of 40 million has the right to its own state and its own development, but like many nations, it needs to be conquered in the literal sense of the word, but who benefits from it? And nobody needs a new strong player, only as "meat for the fight against ISIS ", another important point the US made a bet on the Kurds, this is a bad sign both for the Kurds themselves and for the entire region (all the ventures of amers end in war and an increase in confrontation), the Kurds are no exception, now the situation is" good " for the Turks, move the Kurds away from their borders and create a buffer zone, this will at least temporarily secure the borders and make it possible to control the "distant" territories of the Kurds, a lot of different interests, different countries, will not allow the Kurds to create a truly unified state (possibly in the future ), I do not understand why Assad will not agree with the Kurds on autonomy and conclude an alliance, because the benefits are mutual and obvious, but the time is lost, the United States has already "launched tentacles"
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      8 July 2015 15: 30
      A nation has the right to its state only if it can recapture and protect it. If the Kurds can do this - it will be Kurdistan, no - they will live as they lived, or maybe even worse. Kurds claim to be in all the neighboring states - Iraq, Iran, Turkey and Syria. I see no reason for these countries to abandon the territory - rather, the Kurds will be evicted somewhere in Iraq, as the weakest state. And someone will be settled on the Kurdish lands, as it was dozens of times in history. It is unlikely that neighbors will create an independent Kurdistan and will certainly not allow their territories to be included in it. There is a chance in Iraq, but most likely the Turks are occupying the Kurds and may be annexed to themselves.
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        8 July 2015 18: 28
        Dear, I'm talking about the same, if you have read my comment of course and many people do not like the "flirting of the Kurds" and not without thoroughness, they will not unite, there are too many contradictions, but they are quite capable of creating a state (again, how to this neighbors will react)
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    8 July 2015 14: 29
    the tops certainly don’t want, but the lower classes just can’t, slowly, but still the Kurds will draw up their statehood, we want it or don’t want it, the course of history confirms this direction, by the way this is one of the most likely options for resisting the spread of needles in the Middle East, the Kurds a strong and hardened nation, not yet infected with Islamic radicalism, and whoever first reaches out to them in helping to establish sovereignty will long have a strong ally in the region ...
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    8 July 2015 16: 51
    There are many women in PESHMMERGA. for the Allahakbarites, this is the most terrible enemy - the one who died at their hands will not see the naked houris in the Garden of Eden as their ears. There are many Kurds in the Transcaucasus, but the titular peoples do not consider them as people, because. they are illiterate and nomadic. Maybe that's why they do not have their own statehood and they are all used for their own purposes - at one time the Turks set them on the Armenians (1915), Lenin used the "red Kurdish cavalry" to establish Soviet power in the Caucasus, etc.
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    8 July 2015 21: 59
    Quote: Raven
    weighted article ...
    but IMHO, the Americans want to create an independent Kurdistan under their protectorate: this will inflict a simultaneous blow to Syria, Iran and Turkey, and partially solve the problem of Iraq, giving the United States a new ally in Israel, which has recently been very out of sorts)))

    The article is good, but the Americans will certainly betray the Kurds, because (in Iraq) they were needed, like, first, fighters against Saddam, now, as fighters with ISIS, which got out of US control. Now the Americans grind their teeth on Iran, and the Kurds while needed. And then, Kurds are not needed by anyone but themselves.
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    9 July 2015 05: 41
    Ochen interesnaya statya, respekt avtoru za podrobnosti realii v Kurdistane, takoe mnenye sozdaetsya, kak budto Author Ilya Polonsky jil na dolgo v Rojava.Ya nadeyus, chto chitateli-rossiyanin ne budet bezrazlichnim kud.
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    9 July 2015 07: 20
    Quote: Mentor
    Quote: Raven
    weighted article ...
    but IMHO, the Americans want to create an independent Kurdistan under their protectorate: this will inflict a simultaneous blow to Syria, Iran and Turkey, and partially solve the problem of Iraq, giving the United States a new ally in Israel, which has recently been very out of sorts)))

    The article is good, but the Americans will certainly betray the Kurds, because (in Iraq) they were needed, like, first, fighters against Saddam, now, as fighters with ISIS, which got out of US control. Now the Americans grind their teeth on Iran, and the Kurds while needed. And then, Kurds are not needed by anyone but themselves.
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