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Social inequality: excessive polarization of society threatens the country's security

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For almost the entire stories Human social inequality remains one of the most pressing problems, the solution of which stirs the minds of politicians and philosophers. In modern Russia, the scale of social inequality is colossal. Even in comparison with other developed countries of the world, Russia is a real “country of contrasts”. There is a huge gap between rich and poor. A higher level of inequality is observed only in the developing countries of Africa and Asia. But the attitude towards social inequality in Russian society varies. Someone blames the injustice of privatization for high social polarization, someone upholds the “original” inequality of people and is convinced that the most active and capable get the resources that allow them to repeatedly increase the social distance from others - unlucky and passive.


Classes in the Union, before the revolution and in post-Soviet Russia

In modern Russian society, a distinct class structure began to take shape after the formation of a class of entrepreneurs - owners began in the Soviet Union in the last years of its existence. Before that, in the USSR, the social structure of the population was strikingly different from the capitalist countries of the world. Most Western countries have much in common in the nature of the social structure of the population. As a rule, in developed Western countries, there are five main layers. First, it is the elite. The super-rich people - big entrepreneurs - industrialists and financiers, stars of show business, politics, generals, hereditary aristocracy belong to this social stratum. The second group is the top middle class, consisting of representatives of top management and status officials, as well as highly qualified professionals. The third group is the middle class, or “professionals”, which includes highly qualified specialists, as a rule, engineering and technical workers, doctors, teachers, lawyers, officers and many others. This class is distinguished by the presence of education, the relatively high incomes of its representatives, but it does not have serious power and financial resources.

Social inequality: excessive polarization of society threatens the country's security


The fourth layer - “basic” - consists of the majority of skilled workers, who, however, do not have higher education and cannot get into a higher social stratum due to being in less status positions. Meanwhile, the incomes of this part of the population are very high and it is impossible to count them as “social lows”. Moreover, they perform qualified work, have official status. Finally, the fifth layer is the so-called prekariat. The main difference between the prekariat as a class in the modern world is the lack of social guarantees. "Prekariya" working in an unstable mode, do not have a clearly defined wage. At the same time, in this category of workers can be both freelancers - specialists, and people without education and any qualifications, interrupted by odd jobs. In any case, the position of the precariate is characterized by extreme social instability, which affects both the financial condition and the political loyalty of the representatives of the “unwarranted” segment of the labor market. In addition to the prekariat, there is still, of course, the real social bottoms - the world of lumpen, people without education, burdened by the burden of numerous social vices, most often found or having been in serious trouble with the law for a long time. The lumpen world is a special social environment, which does not make sense to consider that in the framework of the traditional notions of “poverty” or “prosperity”, since a representative of this social stratum can spend a lot of money to satisfy their needs for alcohol or drugs, but at the same time lead everyday life in real poverty itself. It is this feature of the representatives of the underclass who make them so different from the rest of the poor and, at the same time, somewhat out of the limits of our article itself.

In pre-revolutionary Russia, according to a study by the Petersburg sociologist Boris Mironov (see the journal Sociological Studies, No. 8, 2014), the poorest segment of society was unskilled workers and lumpen. In the lowest income group of the Russian population in 1901-1904. included: 1) beggars, vagrants, wanderers, inhabitants of almshouses; 2) farm laborers (farm laborers); 3) day laborers and laborers; 4) women and children engaged in industrial production. However, social inequality in the Russian Empire was not as widespread as in the United States of America or in Great Britain. At the same time, American citizens, translated into the ruble equivalent, were much richer than the Russian inhabitants. If to the richest Russians in 1900-1910. Were people with an average income in 991 ruble, then the richest Americans - people with an average income in 8622 ruble. At the same time, in Russia, in contrast to Western countries, there was no numerous middle-class stratum already present in the West, and the overwhelming part of the country's population differed greatly in life from the insignificant stratum of aristocracy, rich merchants and manufacturers. This difference is evidenced, at least, by the almost total illiteracy of the broad masses of the Russian population, which already in the post-revolutionary period caused the obvious need for mass eradication of illiteracy among the adult population of the Soviet state.

In modern Russia, due to its historical and political specificity, a slightly different type of social structure has developed. It is distinguished, firstly, by a high level of coalescence of power and large business. It is often difficult to understand “where a businessman ends and an official begins,” and vice versa. Famous sociologist O.I. Shkaratan (Shkaratan OI Socio-economic inequality and its reproduction in modern Russia. M, 2009) believes that modern Russian society is divided into the following main groups. First of all, this is an extremely small class of large and medium-sized owners - somewhere around 4% of the population. Secondly, this is the “middle class” - small entrepreneurs, managers, professionals, working “on themselves”. There are no more than 22%. Finally, the third group consists of performers - non-owners. These include 74% of the population of Russia - here and “state employees”, and ordinary employees of private companies, and the working class. Of course, this model of class classification in modern Russia is very conditional, but it more or less accurately reflects the division of Russian society on such an issue as attitude to property. There are very few full-fledged owners in Russia and in this country is different from Western countries where there are developed traditions of entrepreneurship. It is known that the number of small and medium-sized enterprises and, accordingly, people engaged in the field of small and medium-sized businesses, in modern Russia is much less than in most developed countries of the world. Meanwhile, this is a very alarming trend, since small and medium-sized businessmen, which are the basis of the "middle class", are a very stable and socially stable contingent, usually patriotic, active, that is, they are of great value to the country. It would seem that the Russian state should support small and medium-sized entrepreneurs, but in practice it turns out that small and medium-sized businesses most often experience serious problems in the country.

The specificity of the Russian situation is that in Russia, as in many countries belonging to the “third world,” the possession of power resources often turns out to be more significant than the possession of property, even if it is large. For example, the position of an employee of the security forces or the administration of a city, district, rural settlement may be more important than the position of an entrepreneur, even though formally the security official or official belongs to the class of performers, and the businessman - to the class of owners. Secondly, in Russia, due to the colossal geographic differences of its regions, there is also an obvious separation between the residents of the capital and the inhabitants of the province, the inhabitants of large cities and small cities, and especially the countryside. So, even a low-income resident of the capital who is not working or working for non-status and poorly paid work, but who has housing in Moscow, selling housing and moving to the provinces, can turn into a secured "rentier" living on the interest from the contribution to the bank of funds received for selling the property. Selling even an inexpensive housing by Moscow standards will give him the opportunity to have a very high income for the province. That is, there is both a “power” plane of social inequality and a “geographic” plane of social inequality. In the first plane, the following groups can be distinguished: 1) representatives of high officials; 2) representatives of the middle layer of administrative workers, senior officers of power structures; 3) private entrepreneurs 4) base layer of performers who do not have a powerful resource; 5) social bottoms. In the second plane, the following categories are unequivocally distinguished: 1) residents of the capital, Moscow; 2) residents of St. Petersburg and suburbs of Moscow; 3) residents of major urban centers (Yekaterinburg, Novosibirsk, Rostov-on-Don, Krasnoyarsk, etc.); 4) residents of regional centers; 5) residents of small towns and regional centers; 6) rural residents. Of course, within each of these categories there is also a differentiation - for example, the situation of residents of coastal cities, who have the opportunity to extract income from the resort business and trade, and residents of depressed cities and settlements - former mining and factory towns and villages.



On the causes of poverty

Of course, for everyone who is concerned with the problems of social inequality in modern Russia, the question inevitably arises as to what are the main causes of poverty. Why some people can maintain a more or less decent standard of living, while other people are literally on the verge of survival. According to sociological research data, the representatives of the Russian lower strata of society call the long absence of work, the small size of state social benefits and family unhappiness and incidents as the main causes of their own poverty. Indeed, unemployment is a very serious problem for Russia, especially in small cities and rural areas, and the long-term lack of work and permanent income inevitably throws a person into a marginal environment and contributes to the marginalization of his lifestyle. On the other hand, insignificant, if not insignificant, basic social benefits remain - pensions for the majority of employees; allowances for single mothers and large families; survivor’s benefits; unemployment benefits; disabled pensions. Many pensioners in Russia still receive 6 thousand rubles per month, and this is despite the fact that the rent for modest housing can reach half of the said amount of pension. At the same time, many Russians polled by sociologists are convinced that poverty in modern Russia is often caused by social vices — drunkenness, drug addiction, parasitism, and also personal characteristics — lack of initiative, laziness, and the absence of a “life pivot”. It turns out that many of the poor, from this point of view, are themselves to blame for their financial distress. It is possible that when people talk about drunk or cracked people, there is a certain amount of truth here. But are pensioners - doctors, teachers, teachers who have worked for forty years for the benefit of the Soviet and Russian state - are they to blame for their miserable situation? It is hardly possible to call young and not-so-young professionals guilty in their position, who continue to work in polyclinics and schools, universities and libraries, museums and theaters, factories and in the agricultural sector for very little money.

However, it should be noted that in recent years, or more precisely even a decade, the level of well-being of Russians as a whole has slightly increased. Gradually, “poverty” becomes inherent in rather marginalized groups of the population, which is reflected in the general attitude of Russians towards poor and “poor” fellow citizens. Traditionally, Russian society was characterized by a sympathetic attitude towards poverty and the poor, as evidenced by numerous popular sayings. The humane attitude towards poverty is characteristic of most literary works, moreover, in some cases, poverty is even considered as a “social quality” worthy of respect. Contempt for poverty, the assertion that poor people themselves are to blame for their fate, is more characteristic of Western culture based on Protestantism. The social doctrine of Protestantism, especially Calvinism, suggests that rich people are more devout Christians than poor, because they tend to accumulate as a result of their asceticism, self-discipline and self-restraint. Poor people pay for their vices and sins with their poverty. For Russian culture, which was formed on the basis of Orthodoxy, as well as for the cultures of other peoples of Russia, professing other traditional confessions for our country, this attitude to the rich and poor was not considered normal. The poor and the "poor" were helped, and this help was considered a blessing both in Christianity and in Islam.



In modern Russia, there is a rather clear and justified concept of social reality of poverty. According to him, the poor residents of the Russian Federation are those people who have incomes around 9000 rubles per capita. Most of the country's citizens earn approximately 40-50% more from this amount. At the same time, the official threshold of poverty, about which the government of the country speaks, is “the subsistence minimum”, is significantly lower than the ideas of the majority of Russian citizens about what to consider the poverty line. In fact, if one can hardly live on 9 thousand rubles, then on 5-6 thousand rubles it is almost impossible to live, at least when this money is the income of one person. Of course, in a family, the situation varies somewhat and a family of three is difficult, but it can survive for a month in the amount of about 15-20 thousand rubles. What is considered a sign of poverty in modern Russia? Firstly, this is a poor quality of food, the impossibility of acquiring new and high-quality clothing, and poor housing conditions. Most of the poor live in communal rooms, in dormitories, emergency and dilapidated housing. The poor part of the population is characterized by inequality of chances to get a quality education and to find employment in prestigious areas of activity, it has incomparably lower cultural and social capital. Nevertheless, as a result of the economic reforms of 1990, in the Russian Federation, there was a massive impoverishment of the population, including intellectuals, skilled workers. People in their professional skills and skills, in terms of education level, would have been in the West as a professional or base stratum, in Russia were below the poverty line as a result of the collapse of industry and agriculture, massive and long-term non-payment of wages, and sharp inflation. It is because of the political and economic upheavals that have befallen the Russian society in the 1990-s, that Russian poverty acquired such diverse outlines. The poor can be both a school teacher, a retired military plant engineer, and a drunkard who has not worked anywhere his whole life and has drunk his house.

Stratification of the poor

Like society as a whole, the class of the Russian poor is also differentiated. Sociologists distinguish several major groups that are classified as poor. First of all, it is "poor in deprivation." These include 25% of Russian citizens who, due to lack of income, cannot fully meet their needs for quality housing, education and medical care, leisure, food and clothing. Another, less numerous group is about 9% of the Russian population. These include citizens with a very small per capita income not exceeding the subsistence minimum per person established in a particular region. Another 4% of Russian citizens are classified as "chronically poor." As a rule, the chronically poor are in such a social position for at least five years and have long accepted and accustomed to their existence on the periphery of the social hierarchy of Russian society. Most of the chronically poor cannot fully meet their most basic needs - they are forced not to eat up, they dress very badly, there is no talk about rest, high-quality medical care, education. The living conditions of this category of the Russian population are also extremely unsatisfactory. At the same time, the world of social lower classes is not in all cases identical with the income poor. For example, some representatives of the lumpenized strata of the population, especially balancing on the verge of the legitimacy of their earnings, may have quite good average incomes, but their propensity for antisocial behavior and marginal lifestyle does not allow them to constructively manage the funds they receive - as a rule, cash in In this case, they are not spent on medical services, education, or the purchase of furniture, but on alcohol and drugs. It should be noted that many people who are, in fact, not poor, actually live like the poor precisely because they do not know how to manage their own salaries, suffer from alcohol and drug addiction or gambling, are infantile in financial matters - that is, they themselves reduce your standard of living. In fact, in this case, those who accuse the poor of their “troubles” are right, proceeding from the inclination of a significant part of the latter to social evils. However, this concerns, again, first of all, the marginal segment of the Russian poor. And even then, a mass culture based on the ideology of consumerism and directing people to maximize the consumption of often unnecessary goods and services, to maintain the illusion of supposed wealth, which forces them to take loans, only aggravating and already unstable financial situation.



Despite the fact that all over the world, the most deprived categories of the population have traditionally been the unemployed and not working people, in modern Russia, the majority of the poor are working citizens. At the same time, the level of wages of the working poor may not exceed the level of the subsistence minimum per capita. So, in Russia, there are still wages in the amount of 5-6 thousand rubles, and they are paid to employees employed throughout the working day, including those who have certain qualifications. The least paid categories of the working population are nannies and junior kindergarten teachers, librarians, museum workers, nurses. Their incomes are much lower than those of unskilled laborers, cleaners, and other persons engaged in heavy and unskilled manual labor. A significant part of these “working poor” simply can not physically survive without additional income or help from other family members - husbands or wives, older relatives or adult children. At the same time, the availability of education and qualifications of many of them does not allow attributing to the social lows of the country's population, while in terms of income they are on the verge of falling into the social stratum of the poor. Finally, the working poor can be attributed to specialists who were suddenly unemployed and who exist for unemployment benefits, which also has a very modest size in Russia. Finally, the working poor are people who can have good incomes, but whose composition of disabled family members causes them to divide their incomes among all family members. Thus, in most cases, having many children is one of the most important reasons for Russian citizens to fall into the category of poor.

A major role in the formation of social inequality in modern Russia is played, as already noted above, by the regional factor. The bulk of the Russian poor live in rural areas and small “depressed” cities. It is in the village and monotowns in the 1990-ies. the most terrible blow was dealt - enterprises and collective farms were closed, new jobs did not appear, as a result of which an impressive part of the population became unemployed and was relatively marginalized. Many villagers live only on the pension of senior relatives and disabled relatives, as well as on occasional earnings, which are of a single character. In a large city, it is much easier to find a job with a salary that allows at least a more or less tolerable existence. This factor contributes to the gradual depletion of rural areas, as internal migration from villages and small towns to large cities develops, primarily to the country's capital, St. Petersburg, the largest shopping and industrial centers, to cities of regional and regional importance. Belonging to the social category of the poor, on the other hand, affects the ability to get more or less interesting, prestigious, or decently paid work. A poor person is deprived of the starting resource with which a representative of another social category can begin his work activity. For example, a poor person who does not own a car loses most of the chances of being employed as a taxi driver. Even more vacancies become unavailable to him in the absence of education, professional qualifications, but the poor person does not have the opportunity to receive education, if only because he does not have the resources to ensure his existence during his studies. Finally, the social capital of the poor is very limited, since they are increasingly “cooking in their own environment,” which implies the absence of connections among prosperous categories of the population.

Hereditary poverty threatens social order

The transmission of "poverty" by inheritance is becoming increasingly commonplace in modern Russia. So, at least half of the total number of the modern Russian poor were born and brought up in poverty. Accordingly, they, more often than not, do not possess the proper social capital, nor cultural capital, nor personal qualities and ideological reference points that could allow them to escape from poverty. This category of the population becomes the bearer of the “culture of poverty,” which develops on the periphery of Russian society. On the other hand, the possession of cultural and social capital with a very high degree of probability guarantees a way out of poverty in the event of a sudden situational falling into the stratum of the poor (the latter can happen to non-poor people in the event of ruin of their own business, dismissal from work, problems with the law, etc.) P.). Most of the non-poor before people who accidentally fell into a state of poverty sooner or later again leave the stratum of the poor and move into more prosperous sections of society, which is most often a consequence of the “inclusion” of a number of resources - from their own intellectual and professional potential to using social connections.



At the same time, it would be wrong to assess the real standard of living of the population in Russia, guided only by official statistics and sociological research materials. It should be noted that the standard of living varies not only among different social strata, but also among different age groups of the population. Impact on the standard of living have not only income, but also expenses. Moreover, lending is widespread in Russian society, as a result of which people who are really poor can make an impression of more or less prosperous people (mortgage apartment, car loan, furniture collected on credit, and household appliances, while paying loans) leave almost all wages, that is - there is no money left to meet the simplest necessities of life). On the other hand, people can receive very little income, but at the same time have solid property. For example, many Soviet-era pensioners own apartments, garages, summer cottages, the total cost of which may be many millions of rubles. However, the monthly pension received in 6-10 thousand automatically makes it possible to assign the pensioner to the poor part of the population, although his funds in the form of real estate can be very significant. Finally, you should consider the huge segment of the shadow labor market. Officially, people employed in the shadow sector of the economy are considered to be unemployed or unemployed, have little or no income, but the real level of their earnings can be quite decent and even very significant. Finally, there is another category of poor - these are foreign labor (and non-labor) migrants who find themselves on the territory of Russia and work in low-paying jobs, or who have lost it due to the economic crisis and have failed to return to their home countries. The emergence of a large number of foreign marginals is a particular threat to the security of the country and public order, and in recent years not only criminals have appeared among migrants - due to the cultural specifics, many of them are recruited by radical organizations operating both in Russia and abroad. Considering that the control over migrants is not effectively implemented, this trend looks very dangerous, especially in the light of the current military-political situation in the Middle East or in Ukraine.

The presence of a large number of poor people in modern Russia is aggravated by the colossal difference in the standard of living that exists between the main part of the country's population and the "super-rich." Approximately about a hundred of the richest families currently control no less than 35% of Russia's national wealth. The social polarization of the population in Russia reaches colossal proportions, comparable only with some developing countries. Meanwhile, the presence of such large-scale social inequalities is a direct threat to social stability and political order in the Russian Federation. Since there is a “preservation” of poverty, which is acquiring more and more hereditary class traits, sooner or later the phenomenon of “class hatred” will arise, which is still absent from the modern poor, who blame themselves, their fate, the current government, but the social system that led to this level of social stratification. For the Russian poor, on the whole, political inactivity is rather characteristic. They are not interested in politics, primarily because they do not believe in the possibility of any real change in their social status, and if their own social position does not change, then there is no point in requiring any political changes in the country. Secondly, the majority of poor Russians are characterized by an increased focus on commonplace survival, which also leaves them no time and energy for any political or social protest activity.

But at the same time it is impossible to deny the fact that with the effective influence “from outside” the huge masses of the Russian poor can turn into a very explosive contingent. Any anti-state forces interested in undermining the political and social order in the country can use the social discontent of the Russian poor. Moreover, these forces can raise the slogans of social justice, in reality, absolutely not going to put them into practice. That is, the social inequality inherent in modern Russia can play a very negative role in the fate of the country - at least if the state does not take up the solution of the accumulated numerous social problems of Russian society. It is difficult to disagree with the Russian political scientist Alexander Karatkevich, who believes that “exceeding the permissible degree of inequality leads to a large difference in the standard of living of certain status groups in society, which can be regarded as discrimination and disadvantage of some groups of the population. This circumstance often leads to the emergence of social tension in society, serves as a fertile ground for the emergence, development and spread of social conflicts. Therefore, every society should develop a system of regulators to reduce the degree of social inequality ”(Karatkevich, AG Social inequality as a threat to political stability and public safety // PolitBook, No. 4, 2014).

Is it possible to change the existing social stratification due to public policies aimed at reducing social inequality? Of course. This is evidenced by the experience of a number of European countries, in which, at the beginning of the twentieth century, the level of social inequality far exceeded the Russian indicators, but by the end of the twentieth century the distance between the richest and the poorest citizens was many times reduced. But solving the problem of social inequality will require appropriate efforts from the leadership of the Russian state. Whether the current political elite will be able to sacrifice their individual financial interests and put the interests of Russia, its stability and development, higher than their own, or not - the reduction of the social polarization of Russian society depends in the first place.

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  1. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 7 July 2015 05: 25 New
    +16
    To move the problem of solving social inequality off the ground, industry needs to be developed, thereby reducing the country's raw material dependence.

    It is necessary to create favorable tax and investment conditions for honest business by the state, more equitable distribution mechanisms, and the introduction of a reasonable dependence of the incomes of some social strata on the incomes of others.
    1. RBLip
      RBLip 7 July 2015 08: 03 New
      +16
      Quote: ya.seliwerstov2013
      To move the problem of solving social inequality off the ground, industry needs to be developed, thereby reducing the country's raw material dependence.

      It is necessary to create favorable tax and investment conditions for honest business by the state, more equitable distribution mechanisms, and the introduction of a reasonable dependence of the incomes of some social strata on the incomes of others.

      everything is correct. only these solutions are the simplest and lie on the surface. and, at the current level of corruption at all levels, they will never be implemented. it’s just that the current state of affairs is completely satisfied with our so-called “elites”. I remember that in one good, old film, the hero performed by Boyarsky said so, corruption will destroy this country! this is our main scourge and main trouble ...
      1. prosto_rgb
        prosto_rgb 7 July 2015 08: 59 New
        +14
        Quote: RBLip
        just the current state of affairs, our so-called "elites" are completely satisfied

        Wouldn’t make it up, but.
        In 1915, too, many were happy with everything, but then he suddenly suddenly appeared in 1917 and rushed ...
        1. Brown
          Brown 7 July 2015 09: 47 New
          +9
          Well, the 17th year is just around the corner, let's see, they say "history repeats itself" ... hi
          1. SibSlavRus
            SibSlavRus 7 July 2015 11: 59 New
            +17
            History, dear, is not just repeated, but has its own cyclical laws (adjusted for the current level of development of society), and the cause-effect-effect is stable. One of the cycles is considered a century (+ - 2-3 years). Moreover, a scientifically proven fact, and research is still underway (involving various sciences, of course).
            Only the question remains: what will come of it? War from revolution or revolution from war?
            Moreover, the most interesting, spatial location in time is repeated.

            And in order to minimize the consequences as much as possible, it is necessary to take to the leadership, as a postulate, the expression: "The oligarch should be only one - the state." A lot of problems will disappear then overnight.

            Hatred of parasites (powerful and Finnish capitalists especially) was, is and will be. And the main enemies are those who adopt laws, decrees, and resolutions. Let's not forget who it is and what it is and how they came to power in 1991-1993.
            And these will not be a pity (along with their families and sixes).

            Personally, I am for a social state, with clear regulation of the limits of private property and income taxed by a very progressive tax scale.

            And imagine what will happen if you remove the fanatical religious and nationalist slogans and replace them with socialist ones. This will really unite everyone and the driving force will be that even the “dogs of the regime” will be afraid of.
            I do not mind even. Otherwise, the history of other methods of purification of society does not know, no matter how smart.
            But you need to ask from many. For humiliation, betrayal, and frank genocide of the Russian people.
            And humanity has not yet come up with a better Soviet socialism. And perfection, as you know, has no limits.

            1. Penzuck
              Penzuck 7 July 2015 12: 35 New
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              Quote: SibSlavRus
              Hatred of parasites (powerful and Finnish capitalists especially) was, is and will be. And the main enemies are those who adopt laws, decrees, and resolutions. Let's not forget who it is and what it is and how they came to power in 1991-1993.

              Are you sure that they have not leaked into power before?
              Quote: SibSlavRus
              And these will not be a pity (along with their families and sixes).

              How do you define them?
              Quote: SibSlavRus
              Personally, I am for a social state, with clear regulation of the limits of private property and income taxed by a very progressive tax scale.

              And what do you propose to tax "progressive tax"? SALARY (easy to get around)? INCOME (is it from fiction)? PROFIT (Khan for business)?
              And then, are you going to do this in the current realities? Or after all, when proclaim the "social state" (And why)?
              1. SibSlavRus
                SibSlavRus 7 July 2015 13: 49 New
                +2
                No need to find fault. There are many methods. If you don’t have enough empire base or too lazy to strain gyrus, then please turn to the developed theory and practice (including Russian legislative initiatives), or historical experience, including Soviet, respected.
                By the way, your questions indicate your complete incompetence in a problematic issue.
                A professional would immediately suggest an alternative.
              2. gladcu2
                gladcu2 8 July 2015 14: 02 New
                0
                Penzuck. Learn the story.

                He who went around, he sat. In a strong state, everything is always normal.
            2. andrereu74
              andrereu74 7 July 2015 20: 24 New
              0
              all this sounds interesting against the background of the voiced salaries of our managers of state-owned companies and banks))))))))))))))))
          2. Komisare
            Komisare 7 July 2015 12: 13 New
            0
            What's the point? Killing each other for someone else’s capital? And the oligarchs will be dumped in Europe, the USA, and Australia.
            The rich will not die in the streets.
            And ordinary people will ...

            Reasonable gradual reforms are needed.
          3. FID
            FID 7 July 2015 16: 47 New
            +3
            Quote: Brown
            Well, the 17th year is just around the corner, let's see, they say "history repeats itself" ...

            Another sign - Aurora under repair ...
        2. Belousov
          Belousov 7 July 2015 14: 45 New
          0
          Well then, the reasons were not only economic, but also political ... they tried, such as Ulyanov-Lenin and others who lived on the shores of Lake Geneva.
        3. Belousov
          Belousov 7 July 2015 14: 45 New
          0
          Well then, the reasons were not only economic, but also political ... they tried, such as Ulyanov-Lenin and others who lived on the shores of Lake Geneva.
        4. THE_SEAL
          THE_SEAL 7 July 2015 20: 43 New
          +5
          In order not to tryndels any parodies of tsarist officers who, in the case or not everywhere, insert “honor I have” the 17th year was a historical regularity. a year earlier, a year later. But they got rid of the class of exploiters. If the GDP and the government do not understand that it is necessary to reduce this social gap, then the Kiev Maidan scenario is possible. Moreover, the United States is actively fueling the fifth column and knows what to put pressure on. So far, high GDP ratings and found guilty of all troubles - uncle SAM. But sooner or later, people will look inward - at snickering officials and oligarchs. To the poverty of the central regions. And the conclusions can be quite critical. After all, not all who went to Bolotnaya were boned cretins. Many are not satisfied with the state of affairs within the country and the huge stratification in terms of living standards.
      2. user
        user 7 July 2015 11: 16 New
        +1
        The presence of a large stratum of the poor in modern Russia is exacerbated by the enormous difference in living standards


        This article is written for the West or the West, because the current situation was created artificially and during the life of the current generation, the majority of the population of the Russian Federation will never deal with this, maybe during the life of the next generation the situation will change, but the presence of such a number of protest population for the government is worse than any Bolotnaya Square and NGOs, the only thing that saves the situation is that this population it’s not concentrated in the capital or St. Petersburg, remember Boner’s statement at the 1991 rally “revolutions are made in the capitals” - that’s what the current government has learned well.
        1. THE_SEAL
          THE_SEAL 7 July 2015 20: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: user
          The presence of a large stratum of the poor in modern Russia is exacerbated by the enormous difference in living standards


          This article is written for the West or the West, because the current situation was created artificially and during the life of the current generation, the majority of the population of the Russian Federation will never deal with this, maybe during the life of the next generation the situation will change, but the presence of such a number of protest population for the government is worse than any Bolotnaya Square and NGOs, the only thing that saves the situation is that this population it’s not concentrated in the capital or St. Petersburg, remember Boner’s statement at the 1991 rally “revolutions are made in the capitals” - that’s what the current government has learned well.

          In the sense of an article written in the West? What kind of nonsense? All that is written is visible every day and not with an armed gaze.
    2. Foul skeptic
      Foul skeptic 7 July 2015 08: 53 New
      +10
      Industrial development in no way solves the problem of social inequality. It can increase the percentage of employed people and slightly reduce the percentage of “poor” people. And social inequality is the size of the income gap (direct or the one that can be obtained through status) between a certain percentage of the richest people in the country and the same percentage of the poorest people. And scientists note that even the famous 20/80 is not working.
      To increase the general awareness of the topic of the article, I will provide excerpts from one resource:
      The Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) says the gap between rich and poor in the world continues to widen.
      In 34 countries included in the organization, 10% of the richest residents earn almost 10 times more than 10% of the poorest.
      There is no generally accepted methodology for quantifying “inequality”. However, most statistical indicators indicate that it began to decline during the financial crisis, and now began to expand again.
      The OECD warns that such inequalities could be an obstacle to economic growth.
      According to the organization’s report, this is partly due to a gap in the level of education between the most and least well-off categories of the population, which leads to lower quality and efficiency of the workforce.
      In the hands of the most affluent 10% of the population are more than half of all wealth
      The OECD, among others, includes most of the EU countries, as well as developed countries such as the United States, Canada, Australia or Japan.
      One of the factors that the OECD considers responsible for growing inequality is the growth of so-called “non-standard work,” including temporary contracts and self-employment.
      According to the OECD, since the mid-90s of the last century, more than half of all new jobs created in its member countries fell into the category of “non-standard work”. The report says that households that rely on this type of employment have a higher share of the poor and this exacerbates general inequality.
      The report also claims that current taxation and social protection systems are no longer so effective in redistributing income.
      On the other hand, the report indicates that one of the factors holding back the growth of inequality was the increase in the number of working women.
      One of the few regions where inequality has not grown in the last 30 years is Latin America, although inequality was initially higher there, the authors of the report indicate.
      1. Foul skeptic
        Foul skeptic 7 July 2015 08: 55 New
        +7
        Robert Peston, Editor, Department of Economics
        The basic theory explaining why the OECD considers inequality to be a brake on economic growth is that the poor invest less in their own education and self-development. That is why the main recipe for combating inequality is public investment in vocational education, as well as a focus on creating better jobs.
        Amazingly, the report does not say that the best way to increase equity and accelerate growth is to milk the rich. Instead, the OECD wants activists to focus on improving the living standards of the poorest, especially the poorest 40%.
        According to calculations, if the standard of living of the poorest layers in the UK is raised to a similar standard in France, then the annual growth of national income or GDP will increase by 0,3% every year for 25 years.
        And this is not at all as small as it might seem at first glance. This corresponds to an increase in the current GDP growth rate of 13%.
        No increase in labor productivity justifies such a change in the ratio of incomes, experts say
        One of the most famous commentators on inequality, Professor Joe Stiglitz of Columbia Business School, told the BBC that in his opinion, the problem is not only a lack of education.
        “As we can see over the past 15 years, even holders of higher education diplomas have their incomes in place. The real problem is that the rules of the game are drawn up for the benefit of monopolists, corporate executives,” the expert said.
        “Today, the director of a large company can receive, roughly speaking, 300 more than an ordinary employee - and once this difference was 20-30-fold. No increase in labor productivity justifies such a change in the ratio of income,” the professor is convinced.
        The OECD averages conceal a noticeable spread in degrees of inequality within each individual country.
        1. Foul skeptic
          Foul skeptic 7 July 2015 08: 55 New
          +4
          The Gini coefficient is a statistical indicator that reflects the stratification of society in a country with respect to income received. It varies from zero to one. Zero would mean that absolutely everyone is paid the same amount; unit - if all the money went to only one person.
          Accordingly, the closer this coefficient is to unity, the higher the concentration of income in the hands of individual social groups.
          U.S. revenue stratification is one of the highest among developed countries
          The average size of the Gini coefficient in OECD countries is 0,32. The highest level is observed in Chile - 0,50, which indicates the largest inequality in the distribution of income. The lowest indicator - 0,25 - is recorded in Denmark, which puts it in first place in terms of equality.
          Britain and the United States are among the countries with the highest Gini coefficients - 0,35 and 0,40, respectively.
          One of the authors of the report, Mark Pearson of the OECD, told the BBC: “Speaking of extreme concentration, we have in mind not only incomes. If we look at the general well-being of households, we can see that the poorest 40% of the population rich countries possess only 3% of all wealth, while in the hands of the most affluent 10% are more than half of all wealth. "
          “Thus, we see that both income and wealth are extremely concentrated. This means that in many societies there is no equal opportunity, and this inhibits our growth,” the researcher concludes.
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    4. Penzuck
      Penzuck 7 July 2015 09: 26 New
      +2
      So what do we have: 1. Due to high oil prices, in the Russian Federation there was an opportunity for Russians to be ahead of inflation. Since the population was running out of money, approximately 20-30 million Russians had the opportunity to buy luxury goods, new televisions, refrigerators, telephones, real estate, travel to Turkey, Bulgaria, etc. Against this background, the service sector has tightened. Small business has grown. - I.e. let’s say that they pulled up that part of the economy that did not exist in the late USSR.
      2. In connection with the sale of oil, the producing cluster has risen, and this is the largest consumer of valves, etc. those. market for our half-dead plants. And oil is the only product (except titanium, woods, etc.) that they want to buy from us in the west (we don’t sell weapons to the west). The rest is just cheap. If it was possible to slip on the domestic market and for how much in three-roads, then the West requires quality and cheaper.
      3. Russia has attracted so much investment (not credit) that you are simply amazed, and business is booming. In this regard, a more liberal country is difficult to find.
      4. Distribution ... How, offer ...
      5. "the introduction of a reasonable dependence of the incomes of some social strata on the incomes of others." - this is utopia. The slogan (German) is the solution. "layers" is how? How to measure "income layers"
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 7 July 2015 10: 19 New
        0
        All over metallurgy goes well abroad.
      2. gladcu2
        gladcu2 8 July 2015 14: 46 New
        +1
        Penzuck. It is pleasant to realize that the younger generation began to think a little, not only in the field of view of their personal needs.

        You have not yet a systematic view of the area of ​​knowledge which you are concerned. However, there are no standards.

        Key to at least what a luxury item is. In any case, this is not a refrigerator or a telephone.
    5. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 July 2015 10: 15 New
      +1
      We in Moscow recently introduced “favorable tax conditions” for stores - all stores over 50 square meters will be required to pay a tax of 60000 rubles per quarter, and a new article for a communal apartment has appeared in the housing and communal services - we have to repair 15 rubles per square meter every month and this is similar to throughout Russia, I’ll pay it all without any problems - but the rest.
      1. Altona
        Altona 7 July 2015 13: 56 New
        +5
        Quote: Vadim237
        We in Moscow recently introduced “favorable tax conditions” for stores - all stores over 50 square meters will be required to pay a tax of 60000 rubles per quarter, and a new article for a communal apartment has appeared in the housing and communal services - we have to repair 15 rubles per square meter every month and this is similar to throughout Russia, I’ll pay it all without any problems - but the rest.

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        What will I pay? I have no work 8 (!) Months ... And those who work do not particularly prosper ... Salaries from 7 to 20 thousand, not counting the status salary-cops of about 30, officials of every kind ... City in 666 km from Moscow, you can of course go to Dmitrov for a construction site, build housing for New Muscovites ... But isn’t it normal to work in such a way semi-legally, half of the country, to serve megacities?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 7 July 2015 14: 20 New
          -2
          Now the most sought-after profession in Russia is the builder, in Moscow, in order to prosper, the salary needs 60–70 thousand.
          1. Altona
            Altona 7 July 2015 15: 54 New
            +3
            Quote: Vadim237
            Now the most sought-after profession in Russia is the builder, in Moscow, in order to prosper, the salary needs 60–70 thousand.

            ----------------------
            I’m in the know ... We have half a city of finishers and masons, though they work on the road ... I’m not a builder, and I don’t want to start ... Having left for another city, including Moscow, we need to rent a house (20- 30 thousand for an apartment without repair) plus transport plus food ... And what will I bring home? As a builder ... This is not an option ... And the whole mass of the population should not be builders ... Moreover, without being officially registered, it is easy to throw a person in Moscow with the words "This is Moscow, baby!" ... And then You worked in vain for a month, and even incurred expenses for housing and accommodation ...
            PS I studied in Moscow for 6 years, so I understand the psychology of Muscovites well ...
          2. 6 inches
            6 inches 7 July 2015 16: 22 New
            +1
            Sorry, but here I am a finisher, but I won’t go to Moscow for 60-70. I earn 50 at my place. Although it may be in other cities as well.
          3. THE_SEAL
            THE_SEAL 7 July 2015 21: 01 New
            0
            Of course, we cannot compete with the West. We leave only at the expense of hydrocarbons. Not one standing corporation that can independently earn money not only in the domestic market.
        2. THE_SEAL
          THE_SEAL 7 July 2015 21: 00 New
          +1
          Yes, Moscow is parasitic at the expense of all of Russia. After all, in Moscow they really do not produce anything - offices are mainly. And they believe that in the regions you can pay a penny, raising your well-being.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 7 July 2015 21: 09 New
            0
            In Moscow, you seem to have lagged behind more than 300 KB, research institutes, factories, factories and GDP of Moscow and the region more than two trillion rubles.
            1. Altona
              Altona 8 July 2015 21: 55 New
              0
              Quote: Vadim237
              In Moscow, you seem to have lagged behind more than 300 KB, research institutes, factories, factories and GDP of Moscow and the region more than two trillion rubles.

              -----------------------------
              If we are talking about Moscow as a metropolis, then of course there is both a production and scientific base ... Here people talk about Moscow as a federal center and as the head office of the main banks through which almost all of Russia's money passes ... Here also the head offices of many offices are located, where money also flows from branches, it is a financial center ...
    6. Will
      Will 7 July 2015 14: 00 New
      +2
      The root of all this
      Whether the current political elite can give up its individual financial interests and put the interests of Russia, its stability and development above its own, or not, can the reduction of the social polarization of Russian society primarily depend on this.

      In short, in the bureaucratic attitude to their own and state "pocket".
      The “stick” of the right choice can be either fear or conscience. So far, only fear has clearly manifested itself, for in many instincts prevail over the development of the mind. How to make a turnover? I do not know...
    7. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 7 July 2015 16: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: ya.seliwerstov2013
      To move the problem of solving social inequality off the ground, industry needs to be developed, thereby reducing the country's resource dependence
      This will lead to a decrease in raw material dependence and the development of industry, rather than a decrease in inequality.

      The government needs to create favorable tax and investment conditions for honest business
      Honest business is about the same as icy boiling water.

      fairer distribution mechanisms
      But this is correct - everything depends on the distribution system.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 7 July 2015 21: 34 New
        0
        I have an honest business - I produce parts and repair units; I pay all taxes and are always in profit.
        1. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 8 July 2015 00: 17 New
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          I have an honest business - I produce parts and repair units; I pay all taxes and are always in profit.
          Business, or individual entrepreneurial activity?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 8 July 2015 10: 47 New
            0
            Business - I do more than one business, and I also have connections in the market.
            1. Uncle Joe
              Uncle Joe 8 July 2015 13: 02 New
              0
              Quote: Vadim237
              Business - I do more than one business, and I also have connections in the market.
              So hired workers work for you, the fruits of the work of which you alienate that there is legalized theft in half with extortion.
              1. gladcu2
                gladcu2 8 July 2015 14: 55 New
                0
                Since production is the lower stage of the food chain under capitalism
                (Upper cans). That producers receive minimal income, often balancing around zero. Therefore, we can assume that the receipt of income in the form of human exploitation by humans is minimal.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 8 July 2015 16: 07 New
                  0
                  It depends on what and on what to produce - this is to "minimum income." As for the banks, they now turned out to be not in the best condition, accounts payable in Russia now amounted to 12 trillion rubles.
                2. Uncle Joe
                  Uncle Joe 8 July 2015 16: 44 New
                  0
                  Quote: gladcu2
                  Therefore, we can assume that the receipt of income in the form of human exploitation by humans is minimal.
                  This is earlier, compared with the current period, they were minimal.

                  And with the development of production automation, with a multiple increase in productivity, while maintaining the duration of the working day ...
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 8 July 2015 16: 02 New
                +1
                What does legalized theft and extortion mean? - Who do I steal from and who do I extort from? - It’s you who went somewhere else - I’m generally an employer, the workers are registered according to the labor code, I pay them a white salary with all tax deductions and not with I don’t alienate anyone.
                1. Uncle Joe
                  Uncle Joe 8 July 2015 16: 53 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  What does legalized theft and extortion mean?
                  That’s what it means.

                  from whom do I steal and from whom do I extort?
                  At their employees.

                  - It’s you who went somewhere wrong - I’m generally an employer, the workers are registered according to the labor code, I pay them a white salary with all tax deductions and I don’t alienate anyone from anything.
    8. andrereu74
      andrereu74 7 July 2015 20: 18 New
      0
      Today I read on topvar that the lands of the Far East are given for long-term lease !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !, although you can process it yourself and earn on it, creating jobs for our population. The Chinese do not rent their land and factories, but work, maybe not even for a lot of money, but on their own !!!! Well, of course, the lack of desire to work for OUR population as such. How will we get rid of the needle? ???????????????????????
      1. Alf
        Alf 7 July 2015 23: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: andrereu74
        And of course, the lack of desire to work for OUR population as such. How will we get rid of the needle ??????????????????????

        Who told you that our population does not want to work? Our population can and knows how to work, but it does not want to make money for the amount that employers pay.
        Example. In Samara, at the checkpoint of one of the factories, there is an application. Turners and adjusters-CNC operators no less than 5th category are required. Salary-20-25 thousand. A logical result, no one goes.
        But on the box every day they show meetings with Himself with one question - what to do to attract young people to enterprises? Look at those present, one surprise. Everyone with such honest and innocent eyes says, What to do, what to do, the mind is not applicable. The issue of normal wages is not raised ...
        Pay and the people will run to the factories themselves, but no, it’s better we put more margin in our pockets than we pay. These "business economists" can not understand one simple truth - if you pay the worker at a minimum, he will live, but he will not be able to buy goods in the store, from which the industry stalls, there are no orders and production is curtailed.
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 8 July 2015 15: 03 New
          0
          Alf. And if you pay well, then Chinese goods will be cheaper.

          Conclusion, it is necessary to separate the ruble from dollar dependence and create a domestic market. Limit the influence of the external. For example, countries with a sovereign climate certainly have a lower cost of goods of the same type for countries with a cold climate.
          Well, labor.
    9. Serafim-k
      Serafim-k 14 July 2015 18: 29 New
      0
      Quote: ya.seliwerstov2013
      To move the problem of solving social inequality off the ground, industry needs to be developed, thereby reducing the country's raw material dependence.


      The whole problem of our poverty in the economic system .. this is the dominance of banking speculative capital, why do we need so many banks ..? belay ..response to the surface: - Money from the air. Until we change the way capital is accumulated from banking to production, the number of poor people will only increase and money speculators will only fatten. hi It’s very easy to put these fat cats in their place - This sets the bank’s profitability level to 6%, which is over 99% of the tax and they will burst like soap bubbles. But for this it is necessary to return our Central Bank under the jurisdiction of Russia, but these cats do not want this .. a strong-willed state decision is necessary, otherwise it is a trumpet. angry
  2. Igor39
    Igor39 7 July 2015 05: 36 New
    +14
    In tsarist Russia, 3% of the population had all of Russia, now 4% have, progress is evident! Recently, data somewhere read in Russia 24 million people below the poverty line! I’m interested in the site. Are there people who own Gazprom shares? National treasure all the same .....
    1. Atrix
      Atrix 7 July 2015 09: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: Igor39
      In tsarist Russia, 3% of the population had all of Russia, now 4% have, progress is evident! Recently, data somewhere read in Russia 24 million people below the poverty line! I’m interested in the site. Are there people who own Gazprom shares? National treasure all the same .....

      Well, what is the problem of buying Gazprom shares?) Another question is how much to buy them?) I doubt that people who can afford to buy a decent amount of shares are here. I know some who got money in 90's, now they are all so right and honest, and for them the main direction is the West, although you ask how it fits with what they stole they are silent)
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 July 2015 10: 20 New
      0
      I have Gazprom shares.
      1. Altona
        Altona 7 July 2015 16: 04 New
        +3
        Quote: Vadim237
        I have Gazprom shares.

        --------------------
        I also had ... But this is not an option, to live on financial speculation and all kinds of monetary rent ... I can write many articles on the topic of salaries and general incomes of the population, including showing where social inequality grew from ...
        1) Some of the educated Jews greatly boasted of their education and believed that their contribution to the development of the country was greatly underestimated ... Those who really could have left for the United States and Israel, the rest served as a ram for overthrowing the Soviet regime ... And where is the whole is this "Jewish Jewish elite"? The market is no scoop! Do it! They created, robbed the country (Goose and Birch), Jews, thinner (from the "scientific elite") signed up for blue and creative ...
        2) In our country, part of the managerial elite believed that their efforts were greatly underestimated and, together with the nationalists, overthrew the “damned scoop” ... So what? They lifted up the price of their status annuity, the rest is the same as with the "Jewish intelligentsia" ... There are attempts to manage, salaries are higher than the sky, no exhaust so far ... The work is mainly carried out by low-paid contractors, construction teams, Gaster, "scientific companies" and others...
        I can continue further, but for this I need to write some kind of essay ...
      2. THE_SEAL
        THE_SEAL 7 July 2015 21: 07 New
        0
        , Vadim, we all realized that you are a Moscow major. Leave the forum
        1. Altona
          Altona 8 July 2015 09: 19 New
          +2
          Quote: THE_SEAL
          , Vadim, we all realized that you are a Moscow major. Leave the forum

          ----------------------
          On the contrary, let it remain ... It can be seen how much the Muscovite’s welfare and opportunities are higher than the all-Russian one ... Muscovites believe that cultural values ​​and other opportunities are due to them from birth-theaters, museums, parks and other achievements and opportunities ... Because out of "envy" the whole country is striving for Moscow (or has been striving for the last 40 years) ... And how poor the province is in this regard, although it is probably easier to accuse it of "envy" ...
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 8 July 2015 10: 54 New
            0
            Actually, I was born in Volgograd, then moved to Moscow, I have a business in Moscow, and in the Volgograd region I have my own production and repair base, for it I purchase CNC machines from Germany.
            1. Altona
              Altona 8 July 2015 21: 51 New
              0
              Quote: Vadim237
              Actually, I was born in Volgograd, then moved to Moscow, I have a business in Moscow, and in the Volgograd region I have my own production and repair base, for it I purchase CNC machines from Germany.

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              Something is far from Moscow ... There are places much closer to production ... If we talk about logistics ... If in Germany, then what about sanctions? Or doesn’t it fall there? And the production of what?
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 9 July 2015 21: 04 New
                0
                Machines are not subject to sanctions - I produce parts - sliding bearings, fingers, structural elements to order according to the drawings - we repair drilling equipment, motors, automatic transmissions. And in Moscow I have 3 car services - a joint venture.
  3. Dezinto
    Dezinto 7 July 2015 05: 38 New
    +16
    In general, this is of course an eternal debate - how to make everyone happy? Unfortunately, this is a distant and unattainable idea. Rescuing to pass for cheers as a sponsor - but in those very good times, when Gagarin, when the satellite, when the whole country lived with great thoughts about great discoveries ... - this was a chance .... until some Western friends got shaky they didn’t start stuffing us with garbage, Coca-Cola, movies - nothing, and so on ...

    We didn’t have a movie! - we have a fact - a man flew into space! FIRST IN THE WORLD! This must not be forgotten. And this fact cannot be understated.

    People lived great ideas! People lived to discover planets! - And now!? - So far - Americans are amazed at the fact that we have algebra in the tenth grade of the school !!!!

    Arrived ..... Ege ... and Coca-Cola ....
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 7 July 2015 05: 49 New
      +6
      Now look at how the country lives, living with dreams of great discoveries, and for example, one of the countries of “decaying Western capitalism” on the Scandinavian Peninsula, how strikingly we differ, it seems that there are a lot of them richer, and we have 24 million beggars, human self-interest is limitless, and we like all were taught in Soviet schools ...
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 7 July 2015 10: 23 New
        -3
        In the US, the poor are much more than ours.
        1. Gromm
          Gromm 7 July 2015 11: 44 New
          0
          You are raving.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 7 July 2015 14: 22 New
            -1
            Not at all - in the US there are more than 60 million poor.
            1. SibSlavRus
              SibSlavRus 7 July 2015 15: 12 New
              +1
              There, in the states, the population of over 300 million has already exceeded. Because the figure is this. We have 147, so half as much.
              But consider income too, and sovereign living standards.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 7 July 2015 16: 42 New
                -3
                But as a percentage of the population, they have a population of two more than ours, and the poor in three more than ours.
        2. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 7 July 2015 16: 48 New
          +4
          Quote: Vadim237
          In the US, the poor are much more than ours.
          In the U.S. below the poverty line (incomes below the subsistence level) live 14.5% of the population (data for the 13th year), and in the Russian Federation 15.9% (data for June 15th).

          But there is a tiny nuance: with a comparable cost of living, the poverty line in the United States is more than $ 1000 per month, and the poverty line in the Russian Federation is less than 9700 rubles.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 7 July 2015 21: 53 New
            0
            There are already 60 million poor people in the United States along with the unemployed.
            1. Uncle Joe
              Uncle Joe 8 July 2015 00: 22 New
              0
              Quote: Vadim237
              There are already 60 million poor people in the United States along with the unemployed.
              This is apparently a new word in statistics - to combine the poor (who are the poverty criteria?) And the unemployed in one group.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 8 July 2015 10: 58 New
                0
                Unemployed - obviously not rich.
                1. Uncle Joe
                  Uncle Joe 8 July 2015 12: 59 New
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                  Quote: Vadim237
                  Unemployed - obviously not rich.
                  In most cases, but not always.

                  Again, do not forget about the difference in the official perception of poverty of the Russian Federation and the USA: according to the criteria of US poverty in the Russian Federation only below the poverty line (and this, in fact, is not poverty, but extreme poverty), currently there are 115 million people (70% of the population), and the total number of poor (poverty of all categories) according to US poverty criteria is 139 million (95% of the population).
        3. THE_SEAL
          THE_SEAL 7 July 2015 21: 07 New
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          In the US, the poor are much more than ours.

          Vadim, leave the forum and they tell you.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 7 July 2015 21: 55 New
            0
            Who are you to me that would indicate.
    2. washi
      washi 7 July 2015 13: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: DEZINTO

      We didn’t have a movie! - we have a fact - a man flew into space! FIRST IN THE WORLD! This must not be forgotten. And this fact cannot be understated.
      People lived great ideas! People lived to discover planets! - And now!? - So far - Americans are amazed at the fact that we have algebra in the tenth grade of the school !!!!

      Arrived ..... Ege ... and Coca-Cola ....

      People lived not just ideas. They lived under the Stalin multistructure economy, which c. Khrushchev poheril. And then it was not restored, because there was already no one.
      I ask you, study how the industry and agriculture and the service sector were delivered at the IVS.
      It was both public and cooperative and private.
  4. Nitarius
    Nitarius 7 July 2015 05: 59 New
    -7
    As a rule, in the developed countries of the West five main layers stand out. The first is the elite.
    Where did you find the DEVELOPED WEST? author au .. completely inadequate ..?
    Bullshit and not an article!
    Social Equality WAS NEVER! No illusions needed. the control system is changing but not like people!
  5. Stelth1985
    Stelth1985 7 July 2015 06: 28 New
    0
    Nobody will do anything. After all, everything rests on the elementary decency of a person, which is completely absent from our so-called "elite". The explosion is guaranteed and will come in 2017. In an explosion, the country will be torn into two huge chunks, as externally the enemies provoke Yekaterinburg and the okrug to riot. Most likely, in Western Siberia there will be something like "Rebellion of traitors." As a result: the Western part of the country in itself, and the Eastern part in itself. And it is precisely in these conditions that the new Tsar will appear, who will destroy the old system of parasites with iron and blood and lay the new State, which will subjugate the whole World in the future.
    1. washi
      washi 7 July 2015 13: 51 New
      +5
      Quote: Stelth1985
      Nobody will do anything. After all, everything rests on the elementary decency of a person, which is completely absent from our so-called "elite". The explosion is guaranteed and will come in 2017. In an explosion, the country will be torn into two huge chunks, as externally the enemies provoke Yekaterinburg and the okrug to riot. Most likely, in Western Siberia there will be something like "Rebellion of traitors." As a result: the Western part of the country in itself, and the Eastern part in itself. And it is precisely in these conditions that the new Tsar will appear, who will destroy the old system of parasites with iron and blood and lay the new State, which will subjugate the whole World in the future.

      Usually traitors and egoists in Moscow and St. Petersburg, and in Siberia - Patriots and collectivists.
      And we do not need blood and iron. We need truth and justice.
    2. Cat man null
      Cat man null 7 July 2015 14: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: Stelth1985
      The explosion is guaranteed and will come in 2017. In an explosion, the country will be torn into two huge chunks, as externally the enemies provoke Yekaterinburg and the okrug to riot.

      Quote: Stelth1985
      a new Tsar will appear who will destroy the old system of parasites with blood and iron and lay a new State that will subjugate the whole World in the future

      You should talk to the New Communist .. sing, I guarantee .. you even have intonations similar belay

      Quote: Vasya
      Usually traitors and egoists in Moscow and St. Petersburg, and in Siberia - Patriots and collectivists.

      Well, don’t do so about Moscow with Peter .. not all of these are there .. earthworms wink
  6. moskowit
    moskowit 7 July 2015 06: 53 New
    +4
    Remember when a revolutionary situation develops? "When the tops can’t, but the lower classes don’t want ..." So. We have the "top" so far, but the "bottom" is not clear what they want. And the "lower classes" do not have an organizing element ...
    1. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 7 July 2015 14: 53 New
      +3
      The authorities are now cunning, learned by experience (with their own 1991-1993, coup d'etat), everyone who could lay claim to organizing power, in prison, liquidated or bought.
      We need a new reactionary methodology. Preferably anemic.
      Rather, it is now the other way around: the upper classes do not want, and the lower classes cannot (for the above reason).
      But there is another. The revolution is done either from above or from below. As we understand it, from below it will be "to the foundation, and then, we ours, we will build a new world ...". There is no alternative.
      No one will be saved, neither people nor capital.
      There will be an exact repetition of a century ago. That’s why the enemy nations and gesheft holders in the country's leadership, really do not want a global war, will give impetus to "uncomfortable issues with addiction."
    2. Alf
      Alf 7 July 2015 23: 24 New
      -1
      Quote: moskowit
      And the "lower classes" do not have an organizing element ...

      There are few real rioters, and there are no leaders.
  7. Born in the USSR
    Born in the USSR 7 July 2015 07: 02 New
    -3
    I’ll tell about myself. My view of my world, which is called the Motherland.
    I am generally satisfied with the power that exists in the country and with those social conditions.
    I have no time to go to the marches of dissent ... I also have no time to go to the marches of consonants. I work. I have such an unprepossessing justification for my low "social activity", but here I am "unconscious", "non-social", etc.
    I get not pay, but wages. From 8 to 19 I'm at work. In addition to the RFP, I carry out third-party orders, sometimes on behalf of the employer (with the payment of the corresponding%), sometimes as a private person. In short, there are also part-time jobs, and for this very reason, I have no time to yearn for better lives and it is possible (but rather the way it is), I am pleased with the power that exists in the country and with those social conditions I’m generally satisfied, because I can let live!
    Probably I will never understand poverty (no, of course, there are exceptions when people are disabled), I'm talking about that poverty when two capable parents cannot feed two, three children, and even more so themselves. Questions "What are you doing to live better?" and "Why do you disdain the work of a laborer?" or "What keeps you in this region if you have nothing?" always stumble upon a dull wall of misunderstanding or a mountain of excuses and "good" reasons. But it is precisely such people who always have claims to power and living conditions ... Apparently they just have a lot of free time to suffer because of this and it is possible (and most likely the way it is) because of this they are so poor ... Everyone is waiting for the wizard in a blue helicopter that he will arrive and will show the movie for free and bring a bag of popsicle inappropriately. And the funny thing is, these people have a mandatory phrase in the claims to the authorities "where are my taxes going ?!" Well, this is really funny, to be honest.
    Many people are accustomed to live like everyone else during the USSR, without doing anything. Ballast people, parasitic people.
    Most often, if you ask such people the question: “Do you agree to impose responsibility for parasitism?”, Such a layer will categorically answer “NO!”.
    What else is there to add?
    1. Born in the USSR
      Born in the USSR 7 July 2015 07: 24 New
      -8
      And to add there is even that:
      My best friend, director of the plant, an analogue of the efficiency of the times of the USSR (not the owner, but the manager). So the trouble is with a person, on an 8-hour working day and on ZP from 50 tr. (white, salary, social package, etc.) cannot find local workers. Either they drink, or "not for that they bloomed all their lives in order to breathe dust and get their hands dirty." For three years I disdained the labor of brothers from the sunny republics, but the next year I decided to think because three more will soon be fired for absenteeism and drunkenness.
      I myself am the chief engineer-technologist in the design organization, for the second year now I have been looking for specialist technologists, ZP from 90 tr. (naturally, all conditions) and as you probably already guessed - there are none! They say a little pay!
      They were spoiled by the salaries of foreigners on the Sakhalin-1, 2 projects. You can’t lure a gingerbread man, and it is impossible to compete in the RFP with them. They also looked for our OK in the country, they don’t want to move like that, they say we saw your Sakhalin ...
      Where is all this Russian poverty? Show me? What kind of unemployment if wild personnel shortage?
      1. TVM - 75
        TVM - 75 7 July 2015 07: 50 New
        -18
        That's right! Poverty, if any, is solely from laziness. Even people with disabilities sometimes live better than healthy loafers.
        1. user
          user 7 July 2015 11: 24 New
          +4
          Poverty, if any, is solely from laziness.


          Again, it became even interesting to me in which country I live, because after reading the above written comments I realized that one of us is not from the Russian Federation (excluding both capitals). If on Sakhalin 90 thousand I still understand, well, a very specific region + all kinds of subsidies, then the record about laziness just touches me, because ZP 90 (ninety thousand) well, that’s a lot - a lot of decent people with higher education and work experience do not even dream about this, and around you there are some drunks and homeless people.
          1. Uncle Joe
            Uncle Joe 7 July 2015 17: 12 New
            +1
            Quote: user
            If on Sakhalin 90 thousand I still understand, well, a very specific region + all kinds of subsidies, then the record about laziness just touches me, because ZP 90 (ninety thousand) well, that’s a lot - a lot of decent people with higher education and work experience do not even dream about this, and around you there are some drunks and homeless people.
            The average salary for 10 percent groups of employees of organizations in the whole of the Russian Federation (April 2013)

            1-6183,3

            2-9714,5

            3-12893,3

            4-16074,8

            5-19456,3

            6-23344,3

            7-28262,0

            8-35089,5

            9-45934,4

            10-97575,5

            http://cfo.gov.ru/docs/8449

            From 2013 to 2015, the average nominal salary increased by 2000 rubles.
      2. 6 inches
        6 inches 7 July 2015 08: 02 New
        +2
        foolish chtol. you're not looking for managers. now with really able people to work tight in all areas. unfortunately, among young specialists there are few suitable, mostly just fingers bent, but nothing about the case.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 7 July 2015 10: 29 New
          +2
          Everywhere people with experience are needed, but without experience there is no way.
          1. 6 inches
            6 inches 7 July 2015 16: 13 New
            0
            experience is one thing. but nobody has canceled studying in production. but they want it all at once.
          2. gladcu2
            gladcu2 8 July 2015 16: 13 New
            0
            You must be able to work with those who bend their fingers.

            The heavens themselves swelled their cheeks. Give them a specialist. Specialists need to be taught.

            Are you out of your mind? Even under the USSR, with that system of vocational training when hiring, there was a system of mentors. Which by the way, not only for the honest word of youth taught.
      3. Foul skeptic
        Foul skeptic 7 July 2015 09: 04 New
        +6
        Oh there is no one who wants so on such conditions? I’ll say honestly that I don’t believe you. Either retelling a common tale or not saying anything. Please do not be offended by such categoricalness.
      4. Passer
        Passer 7 July 2015 10: 25 New
        +7
        I am generally satisfied with the power that exists in the country and with those social conditions.

        Now a little different point of view.
        I will not discuss the power existing in the country ... Here it is either good, or nothing.
        Social conditions are not categorically satisfied!
        It is completely incomprehensible that you have the term "social conditions"? Maybe I’m mistaken in something, but it seemed to me that it was: medicine, education, pensions, housing, etc.
        It is pointless to talk about social medicine, if nothing changes, then it has survived the last years. Then EVERYTHING is for money, and absolutely everything, as in "civilized Europe."
        About education:
        For the second year now I am looking for specialist technologists, RFP from 90 tr (of course, all conditions) and as you probably already guessed - there are no such

        I won’t even add anything ...
        About retirement benefits: liberal pension reform collapsed safely, and then - raising the retirement age, reducing the amount of payments. It cannot be otherwise; miracles do not happen ...
        About social housing ... also silent.
        So what do you think of “social conditions”?
        From 8 to 19 I'm at work.

        And then:
        I can afford to LIVE!

        How and when?
        Well, in the appendage:
        I guess I'll never understand poverty

        God forbid, of course, but as popular wisdom says: "From prison, and from SUMA - do not renounce."
        PS I work. Specialist, salary - God forbid everyone. Additional income. This is if there are suspicions:
        Many people are accustomed to live like everyone else during the USSR, without doing anything. Ballast people, parasitic people.
      5. rosarioagro
        rosarioagro 7 July 2015 10: 52 New
        +3
        Quote: born_in_cssr
        I myself am the chief engineer-technologist in the design organization, for the second year now I have been looking for specialist technologists, ZP from 90 tr. (naturally, all conditions) and as you probably already guessed - there are none! They say a little pay!

        It is not surprising that the specialist needs to rent an apartment with you, this is a third on average, another third will be spent on monthly expenses - food and stuff, the prices are by no means low in Sakhalin, and for the remaining 30000 he should work for you, but why, for this money is a specialist and will find work in his city
        1. dali
          dali 7 July 2015 11: 38 New
          0
          Quote: rosarioagro
          and for the remaining 30000 it should work for you


          100% agree.
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      6. dali
        dali 7 July 2015 11: 41 New
        +2
        Quote: born_in_cssr
        I myself am the chief engineer-technologist in the design organization, for the second year now I've been looking for specialist technologists


        You need to grow your own ... send to study - and all modern businessmen, but managers want to get a specialist for free.

        Train, and if you are afraid that you will teach and he will leave, where he will be better appreciated, so evaluate yourself so, then they will not leave.

        There is one more thing ... there are few specialists, so all businessmen and managers need to spend on training - then there will be more specialists.

        Although it’s clear that the cunning guys divorced among you (there are a lot of leaders, businessmen) - like let someone teach, but I will entice. You’ve been looking for two years ... it leads to certain thoughts ...
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      8. bagel
        bagel 7 July 2015 20: 32 New
        0
        I have a seller’s salary “consider college level education” 1660 € = 102920rub net / month, this is in Finnish, the country where there is oil, gas is dumb.

        Draw conclusions.
      9. THE_SEAL
        THE_SEAL 7 July 2015 21: 13 New
        +1
        "Born in the USSR" if you were dry on your underpants.
      10. gladcu2
        gladcu2 8 July 2015 15: 48 New
        +1
        I did not think that technologists born in the USSR had such a low level of at least common sense.

        Question to your boss. This is on what advice he managed to open production where there is no labor.

        And now, directly to you, a respected technoglog. Question?

        You yourself, as a technologist, probably also “stopped catching mice”?

        What is difficult for a good salary to organize a promising workforce? You are "burning boy." Yes, even in Tmutarakan. Easy as two fingers on the asphalt.

        You decided to attract Tajiks? Temporary workers on cnc? Correctly?

        Do they have any cnc experience? Heh heh heh

        The CNC elementary knocker learns in 2 weeks. Advanced, able to adjust the processing process. Opit, 2-3 years.

        CNC operator who knows how to make custom products for at least 5-7 years. There are not many of them. 15 percent.

        Something you, weak technologist.

        Write the right ads and post to the right audience.

        And do not forget that the best times were when you were born. Ahead is only sheer uncertainty.
    2. jaroff
      jaroff 7 July 2015 08: 30 New
      +3
      I just want to clarify: almost all theaters start performing at 19 p.m., you just finish work. That is, you don’t have time to go to the theater. But what kind of life is it if you don’t go to the theater? I calculated that it takes you a lot of time to work. When do you live? On vacation, on weekends and holidays? Or is work is life?
    3. Foul skeptic
      Foul skeptic 7 July 2015 09: 19 New
      +4
      Dear Rozhden_v_SSSR. Two capable parents in a poor family will feed their two children. What next? Everyone heard about Maslow’s pyramid, and nobody remembers when necessary. Failure to meet other needs leads to the inheritance of poverty. And questions from the category "What keeps you in this region if you have nothing?" extremely superficial. Firstly, this is a restriction of freedom of choice, one of the key aspects of the formation of man. And secondly, it is also only at the base of the pyramid, which I mentioned above.
      1. dmb
        dmb 7 July 2015 12: 06 New
        +2
        I’ll honestly say that it doesn’t inspire respect from me, but I don’t want to dissemble out of politeness. Not the first time, and not only they shoved a vile little thought: all the loafers, but only he is a hard worker. Based on what he wrote, he is also an idler in comparison with Deripaska, Yakunin, athletes-Rotenbergs, or a bandit-president Kadyrov. Their welfare is clearly more than his.
    4. THE_SEAL
      THE_SEAL 7 July 2015 21: 12 New
      +3
      I have a university degree and I also work. But prices have risen twenty times. For some reason gasoline rises in price, taking all other prices along. Why is gasoline expensive? But the salary is not very much increased. And the little that I could afford 1 year ago, now I can not afford now. And what about state employees? In the afternoon to teach children, to unload cars at night? And so long enough? Therefore, "BORN IN THE USSR" go on plowing until you close your eyes.
  8. kostik1301
    kostik1301 7 July 2015 07: 16 New
    +5
    And where is the mention of the progressive taxation scale, which is systematically drowned in the State Duma by the vertical of power at the head of EdRo at the direction of GDP ......
    1. TVM - 75
      TVM - 75 7 July 2015 07: 51 New
      -12
      Love for a freebie is ineradicable! Take and share !!!
      1. screw cutter
        screw cutter 7 July 2015 09: 17 New
        +12
        "The love of a freebie is ineradicable! Take and share !!!"
        That’s exactly what the officials close to the authorities did, robbed and divided the people, and became alligarchs. And the majority of the people, as they were nothing, remained so. And they get drunk from the fact that at first there’s no time left for another vacation, and then it’s already late, it’s already alcoholism. It is no secret that many great actors drank themselves, and after all, they were not poor and could afford a lot.
        The Russian people have a different mentality, they need growth, achievements, like in a war, medals for merit, and when you plow for uncle, and in response to just nit-picking and talking about a difficult financial situation, sooner or later apathy appears, and after it and depression, with all those wiping out .... (we are not Chinese, to rejoice at the fact that we are involved in the production of iPhone (we don’t need bread, give us work)).
    2. bagel
      bagel 7 July 2015 20: 58 New
      0
      In a country with resources like in Russia, the existence of a tax is generally in doubt, why?
  9. Denis_469
    Denis_469 7 July 2015 07: 19 New
    -6
    "The temptation for Christians of recent times will be a high standard of living. The Bible warns that Christians of recent times will be indifferent, prosperous, rich and will not need anything. There is no harm in welfare and well-being in themselves. Most biblical patriarchs were rich people ...
    In my vision, I saw how Satan appeared before God recently, just as he did, according to the Bible, to speak against Job. But this time he comes to ask permission to test the Christians of recent times.
    Here is what I saw:
    And the Lord said to Satan: “Where did you come from?” - Satan replied: “I wandered the earth and watched the last Christians.” And the Lord said to Satan: “Have you paid attention to the Christians of the last days, how faithful they are, how honest they are, how they fear God and love Christ? How do they try to avoid your crafty nets? ” Then sata * answered the Lord: “Yes, it is, but remove from them the fence with which you protected them. Job did not leave you being poor, but give all Christians of the last time blessing and prosperity, much more than Job, and then you will see what happens. Make them all rich as Job. Build them new luxury homes, give them great cars, as much money and technology as they need. Showers with cottages, motor boats, travels around the world, elegant clothes, exotic food, land holdings and bank savings. Look what will happen to Your last Christians when they become satiated, rich, surrounded by all blessings and not in need of anything. They will leave God and become selfish. ”
    I see how cars, motorbikes, clothes, and all kinds of material goods become a greater obstacle for Christians than drugs, sex or alcohol. I see how thousands of Christians are connected and controlled by things. They are so immersed in practical materialism that they become indifferent, blind, weak-willed and spiritually naked. Moreover, amid their prosperity, they are unhappy and completely unsatisfied.
    In my vision, I see Satan retreating, laughing cheerfully: “Look at these money-obsessed Christians, at these discharged pigs * to her! Stung by a security bug! Making a ton of money! Buying all new furniture! Acquiring more cars - two, three! Buying, planting, selling, getting married and getting divorced! This ruined the generation of Lot. This will also befall them!
    Take a look at all well-earned, comfortably living, well-fed Christians, how lazy and indifferent they are, made easy prey. Pour it all on them! Let many of them stumble on this. It will make my job easier! ”
  10. Denis_469
    Denis_469 7 July 2015 07: 23 New
    +1
    I personally feel more pity for not those whom the author despises - the poor. And the rich. I just know a little of what is happening and why on Earth, and I feel sorry for becoming rich. The generation of Lot (Sodom and Gomorrah) was not completely destroyed by blueness. More terrible things were going on there. The same as now. It was forbidden to help the poor, to serve the poor. Money was considered a measure of value and success. And others are the same nasty things. Like now. And the result will be similar.
  11. parusnik
    parusnik 7 July 2015 07: 31 New
    +1
    Whether the current political elite can give up its individual financial interests and put the interests of Russia, its stability and development above its own, or not, can the reduction of the social polarization of Russian society primarily depend on this.... one of the main issues ...
    1. pavel_SPB
      pavel_SPB 7 July 2015 11: 39 New
      +2
      can’t! because it’s not profitable for them ... their own pocket will become worse.
  12. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 7 July 2015 07: 34 New
    -9
    Here we are discussing, discussing ... The article has a lot of bukaff and smart words ...
    I cannot rank myself among the rich. I work now as an engineer, my wife is maintenance (does not work) and two
    children. Mortgage apartment. It's hard to live, but I'm getting out ... I personally know a few dollars
    millionaires, and often communicate with them. No animosity and class animosity! Most likely because
    these people work the same, and more than mine! Believe me, come to the dying collective farm, or factory, ten years
    manage it, raising, taking care of the workers, helping them- hard work! There are a lot of such people!
    Of course, there are many majorities, but there are more workers! Of course, among the richest, there are few who have made a fortune with a hump, but among people with incomes from several million to several tens of millions.
    most! The problem is not these rich, the problem is us! What are we doing so as not to be poor!
    1. Denis_469
      Denis_469 7 July 2015 07: 39 New
      +11
      Personally, I have been working on my research for 29 years. And there is no money. There is a work. There is a result. But there is no money. And I will say bluntly - I still have not met any of the dollar millionaires who would have earned their million themselves. All whom he met were criminals. So lucky. And about the one who is there and what allegedly raised from millionaires - do not lie to me. Millionaires do nothing themselves. They hire people like me, who raise their production. I myself withdrew 2 plants from bankruptcy. And therefore I know what I'm saying. All millionaires and billionaires are liars when they lie that they themselves are doing something.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 7 July 2015 10: 35 New
        0
        Not all millionaires and billionaires are thieves and liars.
        1. Denis_469
          Denis_469 7 July 2015 11: 05 New
          +7
          Quote: Vadim237
          Not all millionaires and billionaires are thieves and liars.

          I agree. According to probability theory, there should be no thieves and no liars. Just apparently I did not come across in life.
          1. Gromm
            Gromm 7 July 2015 11: 47 New
            +2
            And do not fall.
          2. Victor-M
            Victor-M 8 July 2015 10: 18 New
            -1
            Quote: Denis_469
            Quote: Vadim237
            Not all millionaires and billionaires are thieves and liars.

            I agree. According to probability theory, there should be no thieves and no liars. Just apparently I did not come across in life.

            So everyone thinks who in life is not capable of achieving anything himself. This diagnosis is simple - envy. laughing
        2. qwert
          qwert 7 July 2015 11: 59 New
          +3
          Quote: Vadim237
          Not all millionaires and billionaires are thieves and liars.

          Among millionaires, not everything is possible. But billions ... honestly you won’t earn. Samso the concept of "earn" does not fit billions
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 7 July 2015 14: 40 New
            0
            In general, the capital of a rich person is measured by the value of property, and not purely by the amount of money, let’s say its production has risen several times and the person has become a billionaire in terms of property ownership, but he continues to produce products and what comes of it, that he is a thief and a liar?
            1. Alf
              Alf 7 July 2015 23: 36 New
              0
              Quote: Vadim237
              In general, the capital of a rich person is measured by the value of property, and not purely by the amount of money, let’s say its production has risen several times and the person has become a billionaire in terms of property ownership, but he continues to produce products and what comes of it, that he is a thief and a liar?

              Mr. Prokhorov, the owner of factories, newspapers, ships, also bought his company at a residual value, roughly speaking, at the price of walls, then he calculated the reserves of materials, equipment, manufactured products, contracts and now he honestly says that he increased production several times .
        3. Alf
          Alf 7 July 2015 23: 32 New
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          Not all millionaires and billionaires are thieves and liars.

          Call at least one millionaire and billionaire “not a thief” and let him tell you how you made a fortune.
      2. Victor-M
        Victor-M 8 July 2015 10: 15 New
        0
        Quote: Denis_469
        Personally, I have been working on my research for 29 years. And there is no money. There is a work. There is a result. But there is no money.

        So if you want money, then you can change jobs, why so torment it?
        . They hire people like me, who raise their production. I myself withdrew 2 plants from bankruptcy.

        Something does not stick in your comment one with the other. If you are such an excellent business executive, who has taken out as many as 2 plants from bankruptcy, then why don't you open your own company, with such data you have every chance, or are you afraid that you will be ranked among the same thieves? The rest of your words are nothing more than unproven chatter, nothing more.
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 8 July 2015 16: 30 New
          0
          Victor m.

          One person will not be able to cover responsibility in case of failure of the project.
          A group of investors is being created. The person who heads the project should not only be a specialist, he must bear financial risks. Two in one is not a frequent coincidence. So new projects from scratch do not. Develop the old ones.

          Change work is very difficult. And to explain why, the same takes time. Try to guess for yourself. It may stop talking nonsense.
      3. Cat man null
        Cat man null 8 July 2015 10: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: Denis_469
        All millionaires and billionaires are liars when they lie that they themselves are doing something.

        Denis, the word "everything" is a dangerous word. Be careful with him, but rather forget him completely.

        To refute you, one example is enough. For example :

        Arkady Volozh was born on February 11 1964 in the city of Guryev, Kazakh SSR (now Atyrau) ... He graduated from the Institute of Oil and Gas named after I. M. Gubkin majoring in “Applied Mathematics” in the 1986 year. He was engaged in research in the field of processing large amounts of data at the Institute of Management Problems (IPU) of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR ... In 1997, Volozh took the first step to create a Yandex company - 10 servers with hard disks in 3 GB capacity were purchased on 1 thousand dollars, which were indexed all the contents of the Runet. The result of these investments was Yandex falling into the seven most popular sites of the Russian-speaking segment of the Internet in 1999 ... In March 2013, it entered the ranking of billionaires compiled annually by Forbes magazine, its personal fortune was estimated at $ 1,15 billion


        Quote: qwert
        Among millionaires, not everything is possible. But billions ... honestly you won’t earn. Samso the concept of "earn" does not fit billions

        The answer is a little higher. And, believe me, this is not the only example.

        hi
    2. Gromm
      Gromm 7 July 2015 11: 47 New
      +1
      Or hopelessly stupid, or a liar of them are rich.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 7 July 2015 14: 49 New
        0
        I have a friend, an entrepreneur, who makes 4 million rubles a year in net profit from repairing automatic transmissions - so for you he is also a thief and a liar.
        1. Alf
          Alf 7 July 2015 23: 39 New
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          I have a friend, an entrepreneur, who makes 4 million rubles a year in net profit from repairing automatic transmissions - so for you he is also a thief and a liar.

          Indiscreet question, does he pay all taxes or works in black cash? And how many social objects like a kindergarten for its employees does it contain? And how much does his workers pay and what is the turnover at his enterprise?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 8 July 2015 16: 22 New
            0
            Of course, he pays all taxes as I do. It does not contain any social objects, in your opinion all entrepreneurs should keep social objects, then all these objects will become private property - these are the obligations of the state, we pay taxes just for that, he has only 16 people working of them 6 mechanics, they get 10000 rubles for the repair of the box, if the cargo is 20000 rubles, there is no turnover at all, because the salary is very good.
  13. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 7 July 2015 07: 37 New
    +4
    The education system is producing the poor. The tax system breeds the rich. Something to fix is ​​time.
    1. Denis_469
      Denis_469 7 July 2015 07: 40 New
      +3
      And what was going to correct? This universe is so arranged that bad souls corrupt money. To morally decomposed and were rejected. Those who are not morally decomposed and are not ready for anything for the sake of money - money and are not tempted. Because it makes no sense to tempt those who are indifferent to evil.
    2. qwert
      qwert 7 July 2015 11: 58 New
      +2
      Quote: Michael m
      The education system is producing the poor. The tax system breeds the rich. Something to fix is ​​time.
      I do not think that the education system is producing the poor. Government domestic policy spawns them
      1. screw cutter
        screw cutter 7 July 2015 13: 05 New
        +6
        The higher the education, the more you realize that you won’t honestly become a millionaire, and even more so a billionaire. But to an uneducated stupid cattle it’s very easy to suggest that you need to plow and plow and you will become fabulously rich.
        PS The horse plowed the most on the collective farm, but did not become chairman ...
  14. GUKTU
    GUKTU 7 July 2015 07: 39 New
    +18
    Our country is great. But we are not lucky with the rulers. Well, our leaders do not want us to live normally. I often ask myself the question: "If a war begins for whom (for what) should I go to fight?" for well-fed governors? For wealthy top managers of Rosneft? Or maybe life for the red Chubais? Of course, my thoughts are seditious ... But I am a simple citizen of the Russian Federation, with my problems and trying to somehow solve them. And I only dream about one thing, that the guarantor is really a guarantor, that officials work for the people. I want a lot?
    1. Denis_469
      Denis_469 7 July 2015 07: 43 New
      +2
      I myself once asked such a question. I asked God. The answer was: to fight for the country. But after the war, then it will be possible to throw off power if it is bad and does not care about the people. As it was in 1917. Then the situation in the country was similar, but history shows that no one is teaching history lessons.
  15. leon17
    leon17 7 July 2015 07: 41 New
    +13
    First you need to ensure that the tomatoes sold by the farmer from the field at 10 rubles per kilogram in stores do not cost 120!
  16. oakim
    oakim 7 July 2015 07: 54 New
    +11
    The GDP has surrounded itself with thievish officials and the "elite" and he doesn’t care about the people ... this can be seen from the corrupt courts where money and blat rule (for cops and officials), it’s strange that ur Yapatriotism is off the charts of the oligarchs!))
  17. timyr
    timyr 7 July 2015 07: 59 New
    +6
    They did not fit into the market. Well, 10-15 pensioners will die. And you pick mushrooms. Whose words are Gaidar, Chubaisai Khakamada. The authorities have their followers, some words about privatization are new. There will be no sense until the power changes. Everything reminds the PKKM before the revolution of 17. Only here is the enemy at the gates. By the way, Rozov mentions the second cold war, which Russia blew and it all ended with the collapse of Russia
  18. tokens2
    tokens2 7 July 2015 08: 25 New
    +4
    Of course, it’s hard to look at the low standard of living of our pensioners.
    However, it is prohibitively different ...
    Low living standards of people up to retirement age. With rising prices, a significant part of them turned out to be overboard. This is wrong.
  19. Alex66
    Alex66 7 July 2015 08: 43 New
    +10
    The Communists were right that everyone was given a chance and could get a higher education, now you can’t get at least seven spans in the forehead without the support of education, you won’t get a good job without patronage. Russia is becoming a caste country. Although one thing is not clear, labor productivity is growing, more goods are being produced, and the standard of living remains at the level of living from paycheck to paycheck. And if suddenly the sheep are overgrown with hair, then they are sheared.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 July 2015 10: 41 New
      0
      A market economy is such a thing in which the rich and the poor will always be.
  20. Leader
    Leader 7 July 2015 08: 57 New
    +4
    "Elite", damn it ... - a thief on a thief, creatures.
    Think they are immortal? I hope I will wait and personally hang.
    Russian bourgeois - choke in your blood! You will not wait for mercy.
    1. screw cutter
      screw cutter 7 July 2015 09: 37 New
      -3
      And you didn’t ask yourself, how normal, honest people fell under the ice rink in 1917, and with whom then to raise the economy? A plumber, even a very good one, will not be able to manage a team and even more so a plant.
      1. Gromm
        Gromm 7 July 2015 10: 29 New
        0
        You are addressing the wrong way. These are questions for rulers who don’t want to do anything elementary. In addition, there are a lot of examples when simple people governed better, but is it somehow not available to you?
      2. rosarioagro
        rosarioagro 7 July 2015 10: 56 New
        +3
        Quote: screw cutter
        A plumber, even a very good one, will not be able to lead a team, let alone a plant.

        Non-commissioned officer Zhukov became a marshal, the staff of which there was subordinate to him
      3. qwert
        qwert 7 July 2015 11: 56 New
        +3
        Quote: screw cutter
        And you didn’t ask yourself, how normal, honest people fell under the ice rink in 1917, and with whom then to raise the economy? A plumber, even a very good one, will not be able to manage a team and even more so a plant.
        Damn, and as soon as such an industrial breakthrough was made, that they defeated fascism and launched Gagarin into space. Probably imported effective managers from abroad? laughing lol
      4. gladcu2
        gladcu2 8 July 2015 17: 40 New
        0
        Screw cutter.
        You know, Darwin has a good theory. It seems like the strongest survives.

        And ISIS uses this theory to good use. The truth is somewhat subjective.

        Take an official. They put a commissioner to him. The clerk only works for food. Not the most diverse. The official’s first mistake. Indicative shooting. Take his deputy ...

        Over time, the number of officials decreases according to selection. Well, the commissioners go to a different set of activities.

        Darwin has such a joke of humor.
    2. Gromm
      Gromm 7 July 2015 09: 38 New
      +8
      I can count about twenty of my friends who will join you, and the quote is on everyone’s lips, I hear this more than once a week. People are embittered in earnest, cruel injustice and humiliation have gotten the most I can. And this is with exorbitant resources in the country. Another conversation with the current captain of the Airborne Forces, I quote - "I agree to be a sergeant in a punitive detachment to hang these scum." And all have the same words - "when will it begin?" If the policy does not change the Americans will have fuel for the Maidan, remember my words friends. If there is no change for the better, collapse cannot be avoided.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 7 July 2015 10: 45 New
        -6
        In Ukraine, similar words were spoken before, the result is known that they have achieved - it has become much worse.
        1. Gromm
          Gromm 7 July 2015 11: 56 New
          +2
          You know, this stupid propaganda was invented by those who robbed us, like we are robbing you and you don’t rock the boat, it will be worse. Have you understood the essence of the conversation? Or will the misfortune of Ukraine improve our situation? These cheap horror stories are beneficial for anyone, don’t you bother? So stop sculpting a hunchback, no one wants us the fate of Ukraine, the meaning of the conversation is not about that if you do not understand.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 7 July 2015 17: 13 New
            -2
            "This stupid propaganda" happened a year ago in a neighboring country and became a harsh reality, we, too, are full of those who, with the help of hot heads in the people, are striving for power ordinary slogans for economic prosperity, decent salaries, etc., but they are the same as they sit in the government, with the help of the people, they will change the power and not what will not change, but to select and share this dead end option. A market economy is such a system in which there will always be poor and rich. And to improve our situation, the country as a whole, there will be people who work and create - in Russia last year they opened more than 300 plants and factories, for me it’s such an excellent indicator.
            1. Alf
              Alf 7 July 2015 23: 44 New
              0
              Quote: Vadim237
              in Russia last year opened more than 300 plants and factories, for me it’s such an excellent indicator.

              Who owns these enterprises and where does the profit go?
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 8 July 2015 16: 24 New
                0
                Most of these enterprises belong to the state, the main thing is that they created new jobs and paid taxes.
                1. Alf
                  Alf 8 July 2015 21: 41 New
                  0
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  Most of these enterprises belong to the state, the main thing is that they created new jobs and paid taxes.

                  Just out of interest, list those enterprises that are created by the Russian state and belong to Russia.
        2. Governor
          Governor 7 July 2015 16: 29 New
          +3
          A new bike has appeared ... Previously, trunks of clogged cars were trumped in yards, and now this. In Ukraine, everything was initially wrong. There was no popular revolution there and a point.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 7 July 2015 16: 46 New
            +1
            And no popular revolutions will be there anymore.
      2. UFO
        UFO 7 July 2015 11: 16 New
        -2
        Quote: Gromm
        Gromm (1)

        GDP - Thief Vova President. wink
  21. Begemot
    Begemot 7 July 2015 08: 59 New
    +2
    Can the current political elite give up their individual financial interests
    This is the key phrase of the article and the problem as a whole. It is the wisdom and healthy instinct of self-preservation of the elite that forces it to make certain concessions and the redistribution of total income between the elite and the people. The main difference between us and successful Western countries is the absence of dynastic elites. It is they who accumulate a sufficient amount of experience and wisdom to allocate part of the wealth to science, education, the development of human capital and maintaining the standard of living of the population. Our elite is most accurately characterized by the phrase: "Sew a suit with the ebb and tide to Yalta!" Therefore, wealthy Russians bought houses in Nice, London, organized lines for Bentley and Maybachs, blew up the market in excess of expensive jewelry and luxury goods. The children of the new Russians pretend to be luxurious and do not think about real education and work every day at the company of their parents. The parents themselves seem to be going to live forever and do not think that they need to prepare a shift for themselves. And they will be replaced by another, hungry and ambitious, who will again begin to sew a suit with the ebb. Therefore, they do not want to think about the development of science, nor education, or about investing in human capital and maintaining a decent standard of living for society. The state is also partly to blame. Phrase: Do not renounce the sum and the jail, said long ago, now more relevant than ever, especially considering the fact that the current legislation not only does not allow you to honestly earn money, but also does not allow you to save what you have. And if you know in advance that so far you own something only because you have not reached it yet, then why all these troubles with science, population, development? Therefore, no one will remember at least 10 the names of our home-grown dynastic elites, while the Western dynasties are constantly on hearing.
  22. Vladimir.
    Vladimir. 7 July 2015 09: 10 New
    +9
    The main problem of poverty in the Russian Federation is a stupid and snickering government.
    Yes, like that abruptly, but truthfully.
    While someone sits in luxurious rooms and comes up with laws to prohibit torrents and knock more dough off people, someone sits on the street and thinks about how to live until tomorrow.

    If the government wanted to change something, it would change. And the excuses that everything should not happen immediately, but gradually, this is a stupid idea of ​​the real possibilities of the state.
    A vivid example of this is the USSR. Or rather, 1917. The government did not want to change the situation, well, people changed. And they did it quickly.

    "Although one thing is not clear, labor productivity is growing, more goods are being produced, and the standard of living remains at the level of living from paycheck to paycheck"
    Well, and what do you think, what money do officials use in good, European and American cars, and not in a miserable parody of a cart made in the Russian Federation. If ours was so good, then we would drive ours, and even advertise huge they can do customs duties on normal cars, but they can’t make a normal car. Is it really that difficult? Why in Europe can people afford Mercedes and BMWs, Land Rovers, etc. technology, but we are not in the "superpower"? Even in Africa, Mercedeses do not cost as much as in Russia. Strange, isn't it?
    1. UFO
      UFO 7 July 2015 11: 19 New
      +4
      Quote: Vladimir.
      The main problem of poverty in the Russian Federation is a stupid and snickering government.

      fool
      And didn’t you think about world Jews? In which "our" Jews, from the government, are in the service. hi
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 July 2015 15: 12 New
      +1
      The cost of BMW and Mercedes cars is no longer to the government, but to our dealers, they are two and three times higher prices, in market conditions the seller sets the price - this is with all the goods, each layer of the population has its own goods, at a cost - a market economy is not fair, and there’s no way to get away from it.
  23. tokens2
    tokens2 7 July 2015 09: 11 New
    +5
    No ... social inequality is akin to slavery in some way. In the 21st century.
    And many feel this oppression of reality.
    Including me.
  24. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 7 July 2015 09: 17 New
    +6
    In short, for a handful of people, power has already created COMMUNISM, they have everything, but they forgot about ordinary people, as a result of the collapse of the ruble, 22,9 million, RUSSIANS, according to statistics, they live below the poverty line, but about the fact that they come to Sakhalin I’ll say the following, but many do not want to, because they will get the same level of income, here is an apartment, some way of life, and there is zero and a salary of 90 thousand and prices are three times higher than on the mainland, that’s ZERO. Stability, equality, confidence in the future are important for people, and comfort for people and business, as well as the whole economy, is in our domestic policy, and it doesn’t say about the professionalism of our government, so our job is to work and create. create surplus value and it is a matter of power to THINK and create CONDITIONS, not to cut, share and talk (engage in boltology).
  25. Vladimir1960
    Vladimir1960 7 July 2015 09: 27 New
    +3
    "..Could the current political elite give up their individual financial interests and put the interests of Russia, its stability and development, above their own, or can it not ..?" ..- a good question.
    Each work has a price. The distribution is probably unfair. Why is a museum employee or a librarian, a nanny, getting much less than a bank employee? But there is, as it is. The question is different. How to increase labor productivity and, accordingly, wages? It is necessary to force the owner to invest in production, employee training, improving working conditions. Yes, there is work, with salaries of 50-80 thousand, but there are no specialists. At our place, recruitment agencies run specialists who lure or buy over, and then resell. Nobody wants to train or teach specialists.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 8 July 2015 18: 09 New
      0
      Around the world, colleague.

      But even if somewhere there are beginner experts, it is very difficult to get the first experience. By the conditions of the owner, the first test is almost out of the whole pocket.
      In conditions of unemployment, a vicious circle is obtained. It seems that there are specialists, but there is no salary covering the standard of living. And the standard of living is already miserable.
  26. kosmos84
    kosmos84 7 July 2015 09: 32 New
    -2
    Puten and power are nothing at all. This is Obama
    guilty. and vile imperialists :-) :-)
    Ps. I wait -100500 of voices after all, right now on a twin of politicus.sru .......
  27. Roust
    Roust 7 July 2015 09: 36 New
    -10
    It is necessary to thump less, work more, rest and acquire property to the best of your wallet, and not a loan, raise and educate children, never complain about fate and move only forward !!!
    1. UFO
      UFO 7 July 2015 11: 21 New
      +6
      Quote: Roust
      It is necessary to thump less, work more, rest and acquire property to the best of your wallet, and not a loan, raise and educate children, never complain about fate and move only forward !!!

      You say this to officials, governors and mayors of all sorts. laughing
      1. Gromm
        Gromm 7 July 2015 12: 01 New
        +7
        Yes, such comments as Roust or these thieves bureaucrats themselves write, or their children are earplugs, a normal person will not give out such nonsense. He and his nickname are written in English, to see a fan.
    2. qwert
      qwert 7 July 2015 11: 53 New
      +11
      Quote: Roust
      It is necessary to thump less, work more, relax and acquire property to the best of your wallet
      Do you really think that those who work at a factory or a bus conduit are bukhariks and credit fanatics ????? laughing negative Are teachers of the type simply losers? They also should learn to relax in Nice and work more ????
  28. Boris55
    Boris55 7 July 2015 09: 47 New
    +4
    Until we change the unjust biblical concept of the crowd - “elitism”: divide, play and conquer, into a fair: create and hello - inequality cannot be defeated. First you need to decide how we will live (concept), and only then - how to achieve this.
    Plastering an existing concept is useless and harmful.
  29. Severok
    Severok 7 July 2015 09: 49 New
    +7
    "... The fourth layer - the" basic "- consists of the bulk of skilled workers, who, however, do not have a higher education and cannot get into a higher social stratum due to being in lower status positions. Meanwhile, the incomes of this part of the population are very high and it’s impossible to consider them “social basics” ... "
    - I still read it and realized that the author is just a populist and has absolutely no idea about the life and working conditions of skilled workers, who not only don’t have the same income as stated in the article, but simply can’t find work anywhere by profession.
    1. ilyaros
      7 July 2015 11: 13 New
      0
      Are you a skilled worker with a salary in 40-60 thousand to the "lower classes"? After all, his salary more professorial will
  30. valerysvy
    valerysvy 7 July 2015 10: 16 New
    +6
    "The Russian poor" ..... Almost ten million have incomes below the subsistence level .... The data of the State Statistics Committee for 2013 are on the official site .... they say that a quarter of those working are up to 10500 rubles. receives a month .... ZP has not increased since then, prices have skyrocketed ... We have pseudo patriotism! Someone wants to take something from us (such as oil-gas-resources) .. Who? the people have NO! The province is actually poor (although THIS is not what European definitions of "poverty" just do not fall into) and everyone does not give a damn about their people!
  31. fomkin
    fomkin 7 July 2015 10: 20 New
    +8
    If you do not breed antimony. Short and easy to understand.
  32. trophy
    trophy 7 July 2015 10: 30 New
    +4
    In my personal opinion, the solution of this issue requires meaningful State policy and political will on the part of the leadership of the State. The manufacturing sector of the economy and agriculture need legislative protection from intermediaries and banks parasitizing on them. The introduction of such mechanisms will simultaneously lead to an increase in the profitability of production (and, consequently, to an increase in the income level of citizens involved in the production sector) and a decrease in the cost of the final product. Regarding banking parasites, this is a different story. I do not understand the meaning of lending to industry working in the interests of the State with commercial structures at homeric interest. Ultimately, all this falls into the price and is paid by the State. It is also necessary to introduce the maximum multiple gap between the wages of management and employees (to encourage management to take care of subordinates). One of the pressing problems is housing. It is necessary to introduce quotas for construction organizations for housing construction (the ratio between elite and social housing), social. housing, it is necessary to establish the level of profitability and the need to justify prices (as in the implementation of government orders). In the fuel market, it is quite logical to oblige oil companies to process and sell part of the extracted oil (in%) on the domestic market, which will lead to the creation of new refining capacities and to a fall in domestic fuel prices with all that it implies. And of course, it is absolutely necessary (without this, all of the above is not possible) 1. establish a threshold for the amount of corruption crimes beyond which life imprisonment without the right, well, UDO. 2. Introduce methods (the most inhumane) that exclude the possibility of using the capital acquired unjustly not only by the villain but also by all his relatives throughout the world (if you like, you can call it: the ultimatum is villain). But it is unlikely that all this seems possible in view of the fact that Coca will firmly crush our hucksters and authorities (which is essentially the same thing).
  33. qwert
    qwert 7 July 2015 11: 48 New
    +1
    "Accordingly, they most often do not have the proper social capital, nor cultural capital, nor personal qualities and worldview guidelines," - not a phrase like that ??? Like the poor - the real bastard? And goons - cultural, aristocratic, etc. layer???
  34. andrejwz
    andrejwz 7 July 2015 14: 07 New
    +2
    But at the same time, one cannot deny the fact that, with effective external influence, the vast masses of the Russian poor can turn into a highly explosive contingent. Any anti-state forces interested in shattering the political and social order in the country can use the social discontent of the Russian poor. Moreover, these forces can raise the slogans of social justice, in reality not at all intending to put them into practice.

    I wonder how these forces differ from our government?
  35. Free wind
    Free wind 7 July 2015 14: 09 New
    +6
    I recall one beautiful country. In it, the head of the country received 600 rubles, and I, a student construction brigade, at 16 years old, received 300 rubles a month, on the assembly of tomatoes. The rule is simple, the more the rich get, the less the poor get. Putin once announced this, and called on the State Duma to limit the salaries of civil servants and heads of state enterprises, so that they do not differ at times from the national average ........ but you know the situation, we are guilty of the blue, then the mobile slavery, then pedophiles, then drunks drivers, now the best-selling excuse "America has attacked us." Seventeenth year is not far off. think udotas.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 July 2015 14: 57 New
      0
      In 2017, nothing will happen, but in 2018, something can happen in the presidential election.
  36. Watchdog
    Watchdog 7 July 2015 14: 37 New
    -6
    In the country of victorious socialism there was the same social inequality. However, it was sharper than it is now - with respect to the average level, the majority and with the limitless possibilities and power the top of the party apparatus. Honestly speaking, this construction (which is as close to communism as today's American system to democracy) does not less than the “equalizers” are unhappy with the givenness of. At the time of the highest tension of the forces of the Soviet Union - at key stages of the Great Patriotic War, when ordinary hard workers were dying for their homeland, when "the whole country" worked in the name of Victory, someone lived quite well for themselves ... Therefore, there is no need for illusions - while there will be greed , desire for profit, selfishness, in general, as long as a person remains man social inequality is inevitable regardless of the declared political principles of the ruling elite. An increase in the level of profitability of an average household is possible only if elites are directly interested in this. But "why should the elites be interested in this"? - the main question that cannot be answered with a snap.
  37. Support
    Support 7 July 2015 14: 49 New
    0
    No need to drive the blizzard about the apparatus. Although I was not a communist, I don’t need to shove my face where I was not. Or BARBOS himself a former commie? You might think that now we have power in the dining room along with the homeless .....
  38. Watchdog
    Watchdog 7 July 2015 15: 37 New
    -2
    Oops It seems someone has stepped on a favorite callus.
    Firstly, Mr. Support, in order to talk about the face of the face, first remove yours from the salad bowl in which you fell asleep, and ventilate your brains after yesterday. What hurt you in my post? Commune I or not, was or was not - none of your business. If you could read, you would know that I did not praise the current government - I want to note. I say that the nomenclature of the party apparatus had enough privileges, and you can at least try to prove to me the opposite - I’m I know. I said the following - in the Soviet Union there was social inequality, which, unlike the current inequality, was built on a different principle - those who were in relatively high party positions had more power, benefits and privileges than those who were not. There are millions of documentary evidence of this. Therefore, do not drive the blizzard to you! Of course, today it is possible to yell that the mattress dumped us in 1993, because of which we, poor ones, have been engaged in the survival of 20 for years. However, one should not forget at the same time that at first there was a long period of idiocy expressed in an absolutely incapacitated parliament. more like a nursing home. Now it’s not fashionable to talk about it, but the beginning of the end of the Soviet empire was born there. So teach your kids, and I’ll somehow figure it out myself where to shove my face!
    1. Banson
      Banson 7 July 2015 16: 33 New
      +5
      Quote: Watchdog
      If you could read, you would know that I did not praise the current government - I want to note.

      It’s enough that you simply don’t notice its shortcomings, while the USSR’s indiscriminately blame. And this is exactly the same.
      Quote: Watchdog
      I say that the privileges of the nomenclature of the apparatus were enough

      What - there were more of them than now or what? Or maybe "as much"? Just don’t bother to prove it. It’s not true. And the question here lies in a slightly different sphere. Soviet officials quietly used these privileges for their sake. Now all this is on display as a red rag for the bull. Which in my opinion is one of the leading social irritants.
      Quote: Watchdog
      I said the following - there was social inequality in the Soviet Union

      Of course it was present and this is normal until it crosses certain boundaries. Some official or mayor should making money more than a dishwasher. It is obvious. This is normal. The only question is as far as more. How much, or rather, how much the incomes of the lower and upper classes in society differ greatly. In the USSR, this difference was approximately 10-15 times, which is quite normal. From the 70-80rub that the dishwasher received in a month, to the 1000-1500rub that the generals, the engineers of secret defense plants, government officials received. Now the difference is hundreds and thousands of times. And this is already NOT ok. When one drives a car, even only on wheels from which the other can accumulate after many years of hard work, denying himself everything. This is what leads to social explosions.
      Quote: Watchdog
      built on a different principle - those who were in relatively high party positions had more power, benefits and privileges than those who were not

      By the same principle. And so now. Only capital was added. And as I said, the question here is not the number of privileges or the difference in income, which in itself is normal. The question here is precisely in the difference all this for citizens of various social classes.
      Quote: Watchdog
      However, one should not forget at the same time that at first there was a long period of idiocy expressed in an absolutely incapacitated parliament.

      I agree with that. Communism as such ended over the years so to 70. And the same capitalism began, only with an external communist shell. Another thing is that there is nothing special about this. Any political system always has a balance between capitalism and communism. our old ones simply could not find this balance.
    2. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 7 July 2015 18: 02 New
      +4
      Quote: Watchdog
      I said the following - there was social inequality in the Soviet Union
      Engels was a thousand times right when he wrote: the concept of equality is a stupid and absurd prejudice in addition to the destruction of classes. The bourgeois professors for the concept of equality tried to expose us as if we want to make one person equal to another. In this nonsense that they themselves invented, they tried to blame the socialists. But they did not know by their ignorance that the socialists - and it was the founders of modern scientific socialism, Marx and Engels - said: equality is an empty phrase, if equality does not mean the destruction of classes.
      We want to destroy the classes, in this respect we stand for equality.
      But to pretend that we will make all people equal to each other is an empty phrase and a stupid invention of an intellectual who sometimes scrupulously grimaces, twists words, but does not have content - let him call himself a writer, sometimes a scientist and someone else .
      V. Lenin T.28 p .373

      By equality, Marxism does not mean equalization in the field of personal needs and everyday life, but the destruction of classes. At the same time, Marxism proceeds from the fact that the tastes and needs of people do not and cannot be the same and equal in quality or quantity, neither during the period of socialism, nor during the period of communism. Bourgeois writers eagerly portray Marxist socialism as the old royal barracks, where everything is subordinate to the “principle” of egalitarianism. But Marxists cannot be responsible for the ignorance and stupidity of bourgeois writers.
      I.Stalin
      t. 13 p. 357
  39. Concealer
    Concealer 7 July 2015 16: 18 New
    +2
    Social inequality is a constant companion of the industrial model of production. Moreover, it is social inequality, when one has nothing to eat, and the other has nowhere to put up money and is the basis for the development of a society based on an industrial model of production. So this can be considered the "norm".
    But only in Russia, having the experience of 1917, is it truly dangerous. And it will not be at all surprising if already at the end of the year industrial centers will have to suppress riots with "machine guns." However, this does not help.
    In fact, the uncontrollably widening gap between the rich and the poor is only a symptom of the disease. This is a common disease for the whole capitalist society. And Russia is not a unique phenomenon here.
    But what kind of disease struck the public, if the economic model of "market relations" suddenly became unworkable? The answer lies on the surface, the existing economic model is simply not adapted for high-tech production. The model simply does not work in conditions where production and scientific knowledge are worth more than machines and equipment. Moreover, the spread of high-tech production leads to the exclusion of huge masses of people from directly participating in production. It is these colossal masses of people who have been excluded from production at a fantastic rate that replenish the ranks of the poor and create the basis for such a social explosion, in comparison with which 1917 are "flowers." The share of people not employed in production has long exceeded 70%, and neither the capitalist nor the socialist model of management is capable of containing such a mass of people not employed in production.
    This is called simply - a change in the historical formation. :))))))))))))

    If we accept this fact, then the way out of the existing social inequality and the impending social collapse becomes obvious. It is also traditional for Russia. ;)
  40. Banson
    Banson 7 July 2015 16: 18 New
    +2
    Article +. Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. And the most interesting thing is that under the conditions of Western sanctions, social stratification is increasing even more. All these sanctions fell on the shoulders of the common people. The revenues of large corporations (the same "Gazprom") and large officials have not decreased. At least not decreased.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 July 2015 17: 19 New
      +1
      Of course they didn’t decrease, they found new markets thanks to sanctions.
  41. valokordin
    valokordin 7 July 2015 18: 07 New
    +3
    The bourgeoisie is its own grave digger. So far, social inequality and non-justice in Russia have not yet led to a social explosion. The people in their hearts rely on the president. Communists do not oppose the authorities, relying on the president. But no one has canceled the class struggle and, if the ruling oligarchy does not realize this, the discontent of the people, the critical mass can blow up the society, and our "partners" will specifically push the country to a social explosion. Dissatisfaction with their position among the people reaches a certain level, and trials of Vasilyeva, Kovalev, Serdyukov show the face of power and its concern for justice.
  42. Watchdog
    Watchdog 7 July 2015 18: 17 New
    +1
    Yes, put at least forty minuses, for God's sake. If it was important! Only with this level of reflection will we sit for a long time in the swamp in which we are.
    I understood the mainstream:
    It used to be good. Now bad. It must be as before.
    Forward to the bright past.
    Or back to a brighter future.
    This is how you like it.
    Due to my stupidity, I do not understand such topics - "social inequality threatens the security of the country" ... oh well ??? true??? who would have thought!?!?
    Another threat is corruption, a drop in the level of education of the population, extremists, etc., etc., which always threatened. I say - it was before - under the king, under the general secretary, now under the president. Any ideas how to overcome this? It is interesting. The statement of facts is not interesting.
    Negative gentlemen!
  43. iouris
    iouris 7 July 2015 18: 46 New
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    Article on the polarization of society. We already know that. What is needed is not slogans, but figures showing social inequality, the criminal nature of wealth, and the parasitic lifestyle of the “upper classes”.
    1. tokens2
      tokens2 7 July 2015 22: 03 New
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      What is needed is not slogans, but figures showing social inequality, the criminal nature of wealth, and the parasitic lifestyle of the “upper classes”.

      What is most interesting ... there is absolutely no! No objective reasons for this stratification. All reasons are artificial.
      Well, or Neanderthals rule us. With a very narrow perception of the world.
      One out of two...
      Moreover, artificial reasons have nothing to do with art. Rather, it is a craft. Low-grade.
  44. fa2998
    fa2998 7 July 2015 19: 46 New
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    Quote: Brown
    Well, the 17th year is just around the corner, let's see, they say "history repeats itself" ... hi

    By and large, the country is not threatened by war, it is sanctioned, and the Moscow "color revolutions". The income gap, poverty and hopelessness will finally EXPLODE THE PROVINCE! I myself live in a small, former mining town. The richest citizens are pensioners. Receive 8 -13 thousand, the rest is a family income of 15-20 thousand, and the average per capita (with children) is 5-6 thousand, and it is getting worse and worse. The boiler is boiling, it will soon break the lid. And our city is not alone, there are dozens of them. And to the side authorities, just to fill their pockets. angry hi
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 July 2015 21: 16 New
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      If everyone would be on the side, then the country would no longer exist.
  45. Svyatoslav
    Svyatoslav 7 July 2015 20: 41 New
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    Boiling up!
    There is no justice.
    High bureaucratic positions are bought with money acquired by robbery, criminal past and scams. And then "fight off" kickbacks, phony tenders, etc.
    It is difficult to start a family for young people- housing !!!
    Knowledge in schools is random.
    Medical institutions are able to function only taking into account profitability. Although for health, this criterion is not applicable.
    In power, those who closed factories in the 90s, threw people out onto the street and equipment in metal, even removed floor plates from the shops (Peter), and now they will take care of the people's income?
    They need to have, an ignoramus, a menager, an obedient herd.
    Every year it’s getting worse, young people have become consumers, I’m confronted, every fifth person doesn’t know the birth date of his mother!
    Soon it will be very good !!!!
  46. Victor-M
    Victor-M 7 July 2015 21: 32 New
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    Throughout almost the entire history of human society social inequality remains one of the most acute problemswhose decision excites the minds of politicians and philosophers. In modern Russia the scale of social inequality is colossal.

    I did not even read further. The author’s desire to take all these problems to the gun is understandable, but he forgets that these problems are created by man himself, and people live not only in Russia, and who they are of nationality does not matter. Social inequality is a law of nature, natural selection. There are hard workers, there are parasites attached to these hard workers and living at their expense, and nothing can be changed, for that it is nature, the only thing is to change for yourself, and in which direction, everyone will decide for himself, individually.
  47. Vadim237
    Vadim237 7 July 2015 21: 40 New
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    The poor will still be, no matter what the authorities do - salaries for teachers, doctors, engineers can be doubled, but this will not solve the problem, with pensions the same thing - there’s not enough money for all.
  48. Massik
    Massik 7 July 2015 21: 41 New
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    If you just want to - you can fly into space!
    Another thing is what you have to sacrifice for this and what to step over.
  49. Alekspel
    Alekspel 7 July 2015 21: 51 New
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    The debate about who live in Russia is good forever. Under the USSR, in the kitchens they also argued about this, they lived poorer of course, but it was somehow cleaner, more serene or something. Now it’s scary to think about tomorrow and not only the poor. My brother died at 64, a middle-aged businessman, a former factory director, my heart could not stand it when the bank collapsed where he had the money of the enterprise. We had something like this: they sat down to play the fool, and during the game the cunning partners decided to play preference, but we do not know how. All this privatization and the bloody transition to capitalism contradicts the consciousness of the majority of the people who believe in justice. I think that this system will not last long, the oligarchs are also quick to withdraw their capital to the west. The United States also does not like that the Russian Federation is raising its head, so that war cannot be avoided, it will resolve all contradictions. As for the admiration of some of our liberals for European "values," it is the destiny of fools to bow to someone. And what is there to admire? Well, a little cleaner, but in the same Spain (I was there last year), a beggar at each store stands with a can of beer to collect handouts. And it is in the center of Barcelona. Our homeless people live better. If our rulers do not solve the problem of the huge gap in incomes of the population, then the population itself will solve this problem. We do not have England where they are still praying for old Elizabeth.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 July 2015 22: 25 New
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      The oligarchs are already not taking anything to the west, because recent events have shown that their money in Western banks is not safe.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 July 2015 22: 28 New
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      Excuse me, but how will our population solve this problem?
  50. gammipapa
    gammipapa 7 July 2015 23: 34 New
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    Here is a good video on the topic - I advise