SWAT SWO masters armored vehicles "Typhoon"

In the special purpose brigade of the Southern Military District, they began a practical study of the Typhoon armored vehicles, reports MIC With reference to the message of the district staff.

“As part of the training of crews with military personnel, technical training sessions, integrated classes at the circuit, working out maneuvering techniques on the highway, passing the route as part of the column at the maximum speed,” the release says.

Cars "Typhoon" entered the brigade in the spring as part of the re-equipment of the troops of the Southern District.

Help edition: “Typhoon” is a universal armored vehicle with increased security, withstands detonation of an explosive device with a capacity of up to 8 kg of TNT under any wheel and anywhere under the bottom. The machine is equipped with a combined protection of ceramic armor, under which there is armor steel, which provides protection against damage from armor-piercing incendiary bullets. ”

Comments

[bender8282]

nusss congratulationsssss !!!

[dr.Bo]

We need a strong, super equipped army !!
I am very glad that the new items are already in the army!

[apguhe]

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[Imperialkolorad]

The car is good, but the reliability issue really worries.

[jaguar]

Sorry, but what is wrong with reliability?

[Chills]

KAMAZ diesel is not very praised. They say the Ural are cooler.

[Arktidianets]

Both KAMAZ and Yaroslavl diesel engines are being delivered to the Urals, how is the Ural diesel engine being discussed? The concept of Ural diesel is not entirely clear.

[forester]

Quote: Arctidian

Both KAMAZ and Yaroslavl diesel engines are being delivered to the Urals, how is the Ural diesel engine being discussed? The concept of Ural diesel is not entirely clear.

At the beginning of the release of the "Urals", they also installed forced gasoline "Zilovskie" On the typhoon there is a YaMZ-6357 - a good engine BUT, it uses an electronic fuel injection system "BOSH COMMON RAYL" capricious and very sensitive to the quality of fuel (we have disgusting) - in in case of failure of at least one injector (starts pouring), the engine goes into emergency mode 1000 rpm and to replace it you will need not only keys but also a computer with a program to write it in the "brains" otherwise it does not work - as a practitioner - it would be better to put the good old pump injector, but apparently the license conditions do not allow (the engine is licensed) and one more significant disadvantage - in the event of a discharge (less than 19v in the on-board network) or damage to the battery from the cable you will not start because the "brains" will not give a command to the injectors open The USR installation is also doubtful - the exhaust gas recirculation (afterburning) system significantly reduces (due to the high sulfur content in our solarium) engine resource and increases the cost of Service I believe that military equipment should be as maintainable as possible in combat conditions by the driver's forces - why "komon rail"? if there is an alternative - a pump-injector and systems that reduce exhaust toxicity (USR or urea neutralizer) are generally harmful for military equipment By the way, Yaroslavl and KAMAZ "brains" put Chinese production on engines - rubbish (tested on myself) But in general I am glad that in the troops began to receive such necessary equipment and the shortcomings I listed generally do not spoil the overall impression, but only further confirm me in the opinion that the term of military service is 1 year is small, and in the training of drivers, attention should be paid not only to management skills, but also to no less extent to knowledge of the materiel

[corn]

Quote: Oznob

Uralovs are cooler.

The following engines were installed in the Urals (car): KamAZ-740 (KAMAZ), YaMZ-236NE2 or YaMZ-238 (known as the Mazov six and eight, but if correctly, the Yaroslavl ones).

[Chills]

8-ku praises a relative. The border guard is responsible for the equipment in part.

[AlNikolaich]

Quote: jaguar

Sorry, but what is wrong with reliability?

Regarding reliability, a large number of controversial technical solutions were applied on the machine
which led to a design complication (unjustified), and, accordingly, to a decrease in reliability
and maintainability! For example: common rail electronic fuel injection, application
independent suspension and hydromechanical transmission (automatic)!
Such delights put an end to the massive cars! Let me explain why: such systems are acceptable
on military equipment. There are special regulations for maintenance and repair, and yet very small runs!
Hence, an acceptable MTBF. Typhoon is a logistic machine with protection, not
fighting! Runs will be tens of thousands of kilometers per year! Accordingly, faster wear,
and failures! Until now, I, as a specialist in this field, are plagued by unquestioning doubts about
the correctness of the concept of typhoons!
A more correct concept would be like the Federal, but in a different embodiment. Explosion-proof armored body of a supporting structure, on continuous Uralovsky bridges, with Yaroslavl
a diesel engine with a mechanical fuel pump, and a mechanical box.
The car would come out reliable, with a large resource. But drivers would have to cook! But the repair
"on the knee" by two or three people, spare parts in each collective farm, undemanding fuel quality and other goodies!
PS But KAMAZ should not be allowed to do this at all!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: AlNikolaich

Such delights put an end to the massive cars! Let me explain why: such systems are acceptable
on military equipment. There are special regulations for maintenance and repair, and yet very small runs!
Hence, an acceptable MTBF. Typhoon is a logistic machine with protection, not
fighting!

Um ... actually, the typhoon was designed for transportation of personnel, as well as for the installation of various target equipment or weapons systems. That is, they are fighting vehicles.
And logistics cars are KamAZ and Urals with modular-panel cabins.

[wanderer_032]

Quote: Alexey RA

That is, they are fighting vehicles.

No, not fighting. How truck chassis can be combat vehicle?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: wanderer_032

No, not fighting. How can a truck chassis be a combat vehicle?

Like this:

The Typhoon is an armored vehicle. That is, armored car.

[dmi.pris1]

So this is a machine and it won’t be mass, all this is for special forces .. Yes, and all these bells and whistles must be mastered, let's not stay at the GAZ 51 level .. I agree that the breakthrough armored car, the attack should be simple and highly reliable, everything that’s intended for fighters of the first line from machine to machine should be repaired on the knee .... But not special equipment.

Quote: AlNikolaich

Quote: jaguar

Sorry, but what is wrong with reliability?

Regarding reliability, a large number of controversial technical solutions were applied on the machine
which led to a design complication (unjustified), and, accordingly, to a decrease in reliability
and maintainability! For example: common rail electronic fuel injection, application
independent suspension and hydromechanical transmission (automatic)!
Such delights put an end to the massive cars! Let me explain why: such systems are acceptable
on military equipment. There are special regulations for maintenance and repair, and yet very small runs!
Hence, an acceptable MTBF. Typhoon is a logistic machine with protection, not
fighting! Runs will be tens of thousands of kilometers per year! Accordingly, faster wear,
and failures! Until now, I, as a specialist in this field, are plagued by unquestioning doubts about
the correctness of the concept of typhoons!
A more correct concept would be like the Federal, but in a different embodiment. Explosion-proof armored body of a supporting structure, on continuous Uralovsky bridges, with Yaroslavl
a diesel engine with a mechanical fuel pump, and a mechanical box.
The car would come out reliable, with a large resource. But drivers would have to cook! But the repair
"on the knee" by two or three people, spare parts in each collective farm, undemanding fuel quality and other goodies!
PS But KAMAZ should not be allowed to do this at all!

[gladysheff2010]

High-quality training of the driver's personnel for the special forces is not required, other skills and experience are required. And what is wrong with the fact that almost any fighter can control such a car, this is probably more important than maintainability, or iron can be considered more expensive than human life? "common rail" - so this is not done in order to relax in the garage at your leisure with a beer, but to facilitate driving IMHO.

[max702]

Quote: gladysheff2010

High-quality training of drivers for special forces is not required

You will not believe it, but I personally knew the captain of the special forces graduate of the Novosibirsk school, who had combat experience in Chechnya and .... he not only did not have a car license, but he did not know how to drive .. Tell me why did I get this? But it’s very simple, I had the opportunity to drive with him at the request, he learned quickly enough, but the fact that this category of military personnel are not taught to drive has led me to a standstill ..

[ssn18]

"independent suspension and hydromechanical transmission"

The units of the Pioneer complex that were once in service and based on the MAZ-543, MAZ-547 chassis had both and this did not cause any problems with timely maintenance.

[dvina71]

Quote: AlNikolaich

Regarding reliability, a large number of controversial technical solutions were applied on the machine
which led to a design complication (unjustified), and, accordingly, to a decrease in reliability
and maintainability! For example: common rail electronic fuel injection, application
independent suspension and hydromechanical transmission (automatic)!

But as a specialist in this field, I’m ready to disagree .. KR is a well-developed system .., a million trucks are being wound up with it .. and not a th .. Although there is a weak point and this is not reliability. An engine with conventional mechanical injection is easy to start and everything can go. Electronic systems do not work when the voltage drops. A dead generator leaves you a couple of hours to move.
Automatic transmission .. LIAZES wind up hundreds of thousands before repairing their boxes .. automatic .. Scare too much .. And the automatic transmission has a plus .. the clutch is not possible to disengage, which is quite possible on the mechanics .. especially when the multi-ton machine starts abruptly.
Suspension .. Again, I do not agree .. The linkage is no worse in terms of spring reliability. Example? BTR 60-80 .. This is the last item complained of.

[Vadim237]

Only problems with nozzles arise with the CDI control unit, for me it’s better to have a power system with pump nozzles and a robotic gearbox.

[forester]

Quote: Vadim237

Only problems with nozzles arise with the CDI control unit, for me it’s better to have a power system with pump nozzles and a robotic gearbox.

As for the unit injectors to the point - but the box doesn’t - only mechanics - I work on "Scania R 500" from the power supply system with pump-injectors in delight (with "KR" - on "Frede" - motor "Kamints" grabbed a pot) and here the "optikruz" box had to be replaced with mechanics. Military equipment should be able to work in any road and off-road conditions, and this can only be ensured by manual transmission

[Vadim237]

Robotic gearbox is manual gearbox only control of sliders and gear forks is carried out by a hydraulic unit with a microprocessor control board.

[wanderer_032]

Quote: dvina71

The lever is no worse in terms of spring reliability.

Do you know the complete structure of the Typhoon BA suspension and the principle of its operation?
I doubt it.

[gluhar24]

All this is still idle speculation and chatter! A practical ex-mission in the troops will show what and how.

[sir.jonn]

Quote: AlNikolaich

For example: common rail electronic fuel injection

The main malfunctions of engines with electronic injection is the valve and piston group, the same thing in classic diesels. Injection pump hemorrhoids are still the same, it happened from a dozen new plungers, God forbid, you can put one.
Fuel quality is not related to the common rail system; it will operate on heavy fuel oil and aviation kerosene. Modern civil engines are made to be environmentally friendly and economical, all details are performed with minimal tolerances, and from here their capriciousness. For the defense industry, in any case, everything will be at the limit of tolerances for interchangeability and the possibility of repair on the knee. At the expense of complex electronics, it changes and tunes faster and easier than the same high-pressure fuel pump.

[Bayonet]

Quote: AlNikolaich

But the repair
"on the knee"

It is not clear where such a craving for primitiveness comes from, the whole world of building cars with the use of modern technologies, but give us boots with a quilted jacket and a "lorry" with repairs on the knee ... What a painful underestimation of our own capabilities.

[Vadim237]

When exposed to an EMR, the Cammon Reil CDI microprocessor control system is likely to fail along with the car's control unit - this is why the nozzle pump is preferable.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Vadim237

When exposed to EMI, the Cammon Reil CDI microprocessor control system is likely to fail along with the car control unit

Not a fact. With good shielding, it won’t work. Even in the old days, on many military vehicles, electrical equipment was shielded.

[AlNikolaich]

Bayonet colleague! I have been working as an engineer for many years, and I work with CAT diesels for work
SISU, IVECO, and some others. They all have electronic fuel management,
in one form or another! And according to the VUS I am the head of PARM ... And the capabilities and experience of dofig!
Based on experience and I say, the car always breaks somewhere far away, and in such a hole that
you’ll get the hell out of it, and you’ll evacuate the horseradish. Moreover, the part that
out of stock now! As a result, the driver is left alone with the car!
Moral- spare parts must be in any in \ h, and even in any collective farm! The driver must be able to
find the fault and fix it! This is the basic principle of military vehicles!
I’m not talking about tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers and other special equipment, they have their own MRO system, and their own regulations,
and its repair and evacuation services.

[forester]

Quote: AlNikolaich

Quote: jaguar

Sorry, but what is wrong with reliability?

Regarding reliability, a large number of controversial technical solutions were applied on the machine
which led to a design complication (unjustified), and, accordingly, to a decrease in reliability
and maintainability! For example: common rail electronic fuel injection, application
independent suspension and hydromechanical transmission (automatic)!
Such delights put an end to the massive cars! Let me explain why: such systems are acceptable
on military equipment. There are special regulations for maintenance and repair, and yet very small runs!
Hence, an acceptable MTBF. Typhoon is a logistic machine with protection, not
fighting! Runs will be tens of thousands of kilometers per year! Accordingly, faster wear,
and failures! Until now, I, as a specialist in this field, are plagued by unquestioning doubts about
the correctness of the concept of typhoons!
A more correct concept would be like the Federal, but in a different embodiment. Explosion-proof armored body of a supporting structure, on continuous Uralovsky bridges, with Yaroslavl
a diesel engine with a mechanical fuel pump, and a mechanical box.
The car would come out reliable, with a large resource. But drivers would have to cook! But the repair
"on the knee" by two or three people, spare parts in each collective farm, undemanding fuel quality and other goodies!
PS But KAMAZ should not be allowed to do this at all!

I completely agree - military equipment should be created according to the principle of a Kalashnikov assault rifle - the simpler the more reliable

[ALEA IACTA EST]

It is very good that new equipment is already entering the troops.

[iliitchitch]

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

It is very good that new equipment is already entering the troops.

Shoigu +, shaitan, lift them all. Well done man, doing business, no matter what.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: iliitch

Shoigu +, shaitan, lift them all. Well done man, doing business, no matter what.

Heh heh heh ...

Family history begins with 2010 yearswhen the "Concept for the Development of Military Automotive Equipment of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation for the Period until 2020" was approved. The concept provides "the development of highly standardized families of armored vehicles."

For the first time, machines of the Typhoon family (modular KAMAZ-63968 and Ural-63095, as well as the single-volume Ural-63099) were demonstrated in early June 2011 at the test site of the Scientific Research Testing Center (NIIITs AT 3 Central Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation) in Bronnitsy near Moscow. Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov drew special attention to them: “These are completely new, modern and very promising machines ... I believe that in the coming years the Ministry of Defense will purchase exactly such machines”

Reached the damned furniture maker.

[new communist]

This is what we need, not different armored personnel carriers.

[Arktidianets]

All cars are good, different cars are needed!

[captain]

I don’t understand why the GRU special forces need such cars? Maybe the author confused with special forces BB?

[31rus]

And where GRU is written, specials are different and not only GRUs, they need to be tested and improved, we’ve gone to the right part, so we are waiting for modernization

[ssn18]

The title of the article contains the phrase "Special Forces YuVO", i.e. Southern Military District. Does the Interior Ministry have military districts?

[Bayonet]

Quote: captain

I don’t understand why the GRU special forces need such cars?

It seems that GRU special forces were not mentioned in the article. It looks like this is the 22nd regiment.

[corn]

Quote: Bayonet

It seems that GRU special forces did not mention the article

For 31rus too.
In the Rostov region, the Moscow Region (Southeast Military District is part of the Moscow Region) has only three special forces:
10th separate order of Zhukov’s special-purpose brigade of the North Caucasus Military District (formed in 2003), Molkino, Krasnodar Territory, Southern Military District);
22nd separate guards brigade for special purposes (formed in 1976), p. Kovalevka, Aksaysky district, Rostov region, Southern military district);
529 MOSN (Rostov-on-Don, Southern Military District);
The Internet is in the hands of everyone (although it will not show everything).
The brigades are subordinate to the GRU, and the MSON to the GVMU.

[Maksus]

Well, MOSNu such a thing is definitely unnecessary, it's still the medical part) Such things are needed there.

[wanderer_032]

Quote: Maksus

Well, MOSNu, such a thing is definitely unnecessary

Why for? And for the evacuation of the wounded directly in the combat zone?

[corn]

Quote: captain

GRU special forces such cars?

I don’t understand where and where it is necessary to carry the special forces of the armed forces or simply military personnel of the armed forces through minefields. The main protection of this machine from HE explosions, as I read on the internet, which are more powerful than anti-tank mines.

[Manul]

Quote: corn

I don’t understand where and where it is necessary to carry the special forces of the armed forces or simply military personnel of the armed forces through minefields. The main protection of this machine from HE explosions, as I read on the internet, which are more powerful than anti-tank mines.

As I understand it, these cars are just a replacement for the usual tarpaulin Urals. For the battlefield there are armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles. So it's not worth talking about some kind of "underbooking" - then let's compare with ordinary on-board vehicles.
The only thing that interests me very much is how you can conduct any kind of fighting from the loopholes? Nothing is visible there - the machine will only fit, but how to conduct observations on the sectors of fire and understand - what to do when shooting? According to my ideas, you need to do either circular monitors inside the kung, or the squad leader monitors the situation on his individual screens and gives targeting to the fighters. Otherwise, loopholes are just a bluff.

[alex80]

Which Typhoon: U or K? The photo seems to be Typhoon-K, but not the fact that this is a photo from the South-East Military District.
Not an informative article.

[Manul]

Quote: alex80

Which Typhoon: U or K?

And what is incomprehensible? Have you seen Kamaz and Urals live? So it is exactly the same here. With a nose - U, brainy - K.

[Tatarus]

That's what I thought, our car and our engines. Everything should be smooth. Well, besides import substitution

[xxxJuniorxxx]

The fact that the defense industry is getting a nova in all the arms of the army is encouraging.

[Maksus]

And is this brigade army or "vovans"? If the first is excellent, and if the second, when will we start protecting the infantry?

[xxxJuniorxxx]

Quote: corn

Quote: captain

GRU special forces such cars?

I don’t understand where and where it is necessary to carry the special forces of the armed forces or simply military personnel of the armed forces through minefields. The main protection of this machine from HE explosions, as I read on the internet, which are more powerful than anti-tank mines.

Often there is such a topic as escorting colonies in the Caucasus to this day. Here you have one of the options

[Vitamin72]

long time machine asks for troops. Since 2011, everyone has been running it.

[Vadim237]

This car most likely will not go into the army in a large series - too expensive.

[Manul]

Quote: Vadim237

This car most likely will not go into the army in a large series - too expensive.

My minus, if that. Sound the price please. I was looking, I haven’t found it yet. It seems to be classified. Now suppose the cost of this machine, and subtract the cost of the onboard Urals from this amount. It seems that there is still a lot left. And let's subtract the lives of soldiers who can be shot from the bushes from conventional small arms. Woe to their mothers, wives, and children. Goddamn insurance and graveyard places. A lot, right? You think. You will be everywhere in your mind. And then turn on your high cost. A machine is needed, but where to use it, only comments from VO will help. If the brain is turned on.

[Vadim237]

At the exhibition Interpolitech announced the cost - 56 million rubles

[wanderer_032]

Quote: Vadim237

At the exhibition Interpolitech announced the cost - 56 million rubles

And I will add, for comparison. An ordinary military "Ural" or "KAMAZ" costs our Armed Forces 2,5-3 million rubles.
So move your brains.

[xxxJuniorxxx]

Quote: Vadim237

This car most likely will not go into the army in a large series - too expensive.

I believe that it was not originally intended as a large series. And certainly the goal - to replace the entire fleet with them, was not set, because it was not conscripts to shoot and stuff to carry in it. The machine, as you know, is a special purpose, in view of which huge purchases would not be logical and not profitable. To spetsam means to spetsam.

[Maksus]

There are a lot of such machines, because if you buy several of them, then how to use them, a huge mileage is impossible, because it will not work to repair in the field, too heavy, so you need to create an "exchange fund", and therefore there should be a lot of cars. These are consumables - the Typhoon was blown up by a mine, it is necessary to drag it to the base, repair it, but what should the soldiers ride during the repair?

[VoenDok]

Judging by the photo, in the rain and in wet (dirty) berets, to get on this passion is a problem - just for SPN)))

[Phoenix]

Why say that can withstand up to 8 kg of TNT? They will now know what to lay 10kg.

[servla]

when you start - call me. We will communicate with you according to the BB law. Look what ... Under our "Typhoons" to lay something going ...