The main Russophobic myths born in the West during the years of Tsarist Russia

The main Russophobic myths born in the West during the years of Tsarist Russia



It should be noted that the current Russophobic myths about the Russians, which are widespread in the West and supported by part of the Russian intelligentsia, were not born now, but at a very long time. More residents of the Old Russian state, in the same Byzantine Empire, were called "Scythians", "Tauroskifs", "Barbarians". These stereotypes flourished during the existence of Tsarist and Imperial Russia.

The Western world loved and at that time apply the so-called. "double standards". For example, the “Polish question” has always been considered one-sided, only from the point of view of Russian aggression, the dismemberment of the Commonwealth, in which Russia took part. In the West, they “forgot” and “forgotten” to mention that the Russian-Polish wars began with the fact that the Poles seized vast territories of Russia, and Moscow (later Petersburg) tried to return them, restoring the unity of the Russian land. In the days of Catherine II, the war began with the fact that Petersburg demanded that the Poles equate the rights of the Orthodox population with the Catholics. The Polish leadership, which was supported by the French, flatly refused. During the same sections of 1772, 1793, 1795, Russia took mostly Russian regions, which were occupied during the disintegration of the Ancient Russian state. Actually Polish territories were seized by Austria and Prussia. But claims, for some reason, are always put forward mainly to the Russian Empire.

The West did not care about the violation of “human rights” against the Russian, Orthodox population of the Commonwealth. The Polish Question was one of the ways to interfere in the internal affairs of Russia. Although when the uprisings took place in Ireland or India, this was the internal affair of England, and in Indochina — the affair of France.

In the same way in the West, considered the "Eastern question". The wars of Russia with the Ottoman Empire were called “aggression”, Petersburg was accused of “predatory aspirations”. Although in many cases Istanbul itself started the war. Yes, and the accusations of Russia were weighty - a violation of the rights of the Christian, the Slavic population of the Ottoman Empire, punitive actions against him. The lands that Russia took over during the wars with Porto were not the indigenous lands of the Ottoman Turks, so in the 18th century, the territory of the Wild Field and the Crimean Khanate were annexed to the Russian state.

It is clear that Russia fought with Turkey not only from noble motives, it solved its strategic tasks: access to the Black Sea, protection of the southern borders, free access to the Mediterranean Sea, strengthening of positions in the Balkans, etc.

The Europeans themselves took advantage of the weakness of the Turks and seized the lands of the Ottoman Empire — Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Cyprus, etc. It was the West, not Russia, that turned the Ottoman Empire into its semi-colony, entangling the sultans with debts, subjugating the country's economy. It was the French and the British, not the Russians, who armed the Turks, trained their soldiers, sailors. They set the Turks on Russia. They turned Turkey into a tool sharpened to war with Russia, and not mutually beneficial cooperation.

The main Russophobic myths

One of the features of Western civilization is Russophobia. Although in reality all the “black” myths about Russia are completely untenable or even inherent in the West itself. One of these myths is “Innate savagery” (“barbarism”) of Russians.

This myth is completely untenable, in order to understand it enough to analyze just a few facts. In the field of material culture, Russia was practically in no way inferior to the Western world, if it were otherwise, Russia would repeat the fate of India, or China, other civilizations, cultures of the planet, which were subjected to the aggression of the West.

In the field of morality, spiritual culture, the Russian people were higher than the Westernizers - this confirms the fact that the Russians colonized the world around them. The Russians did not turn the annexed areas into cemeteries, unlike the Europeans. Compare how the Russians colonized Central Asia and captured India by the British. The attitude of the Russians to small nations and the attitude of Western Europeans to foreigners. When Aboriginal people were hunted in Tasmania and Australia like wild beasts, Indian tribes were destroyed in North America and South America with smallpox-infected blankets, “firewater” and weapons. The Chinese people were turned into a "drug addict", by force planting on opium.

You can compare the behavior of Russian armies with Western military forces. Learn what Napoleon's soldiers of the Great Army did during the Patriotic War on Russian territory and the behavior of the Russians in France in 1814. The actions of Prussian soldiers in France in the Franco-Prussian war 1870-1871. The behavior of the Nazis during the Great Patriotic War and the discipline of Soviet soldiers in defeated Germany. Think of the behavior of the miraculous heroes of Suvorov, the sailors of Ushakov and the actions of the English colonialists in India, when the captured rebels were tied to guns and fired.

The myth of "borrowing" Russian culture of Western Europe. In the West, it was customary to consider and now many believe that the Russians have embraced the whole culture from Europe. Although if you study the culture of Ancient Russia, Vladimir, Moscow, Novgorod Russia, it is clear that this culture is original and very deep. For example, urban culture among the Slavs, the Rus was developed and appeared earlier than in Western Europe. No wonder the Scandinavians called Russia "the country of cities."

An excellent example can be found in the culture of health, when Western Europe periodically became a “desert” due to various moors and diseases, Russia did not know this problem, because people just regularly washed themselves and kept their body and clothing hygiene.

In ancient Russia, we can find a lot of literate people not only among the nobility and the clergy, but among the townspeople and even the villagers. This fact is confirmed by archaeological excavations. In Europe, even among the nobility, there were few literate nobles, and commoners were all illiterate.

And regarding the cultural exchange of achievements, this process can not be called amazing. Europeans borrowed from the Arab East - universities, the custom to wash (at least sometimes), numbers, perfumery. Much was taken from Ancient Rome (for example, Latin), Ancient Greece (the culture of the Italian and European Renaissance was based on its culture), the Byzantine Empire. But after that, European culture is not called artificial.

A part of the Russian “wildness” myth is the opinion about "Russian cruelty". Here, Westerners love to remember the “great and terrible” Ivan the Terrible, during which, for the entire period of his reign, and he ruled for a long time, according to historians' estimates, from 3 to 15 thousand people were executed. Not ignored, and Peter I c archer executions.

But if you go through the era, it should be noted that cruelty was commonplace then. In Europe, public executions (often very sophisticated) were the favorite entertainment not only of the urban lower classes, but also of the respected citizens, aristocrats, who came to them with their families and small children. Medieval rulers of Spain, England, France destroyed more people for their rule by orders of magnitude than Ivan IV. It happened that in a number of cases thousands of people were killed in a few days. During the famous St. Bartholomew's Night (the night of August 24 1572), thousands of Huguenots were killed in one day. When an uprising of the Communards in 1871 was crushed in Paris, Marshal MacMahon executed 15-30 thousand people in just a week.

In Russia, the death penalty was abolished under Empress Elizabeth Petrovna (1741-1761), after which the death penalty in Russia became an extraordinary matter, it was used during emergencies - like military uprisings, insurrections, when the military field courts acted. For example, during the suppression of the uprising of Pugachev, or when the “Decembrists” insurrection pacified, then all the 5 people were hanged (!) And this was after the military rebellion. In Western Europe, for such a thing they drowned and hung hundreds. At this time, women and even teenagers were hanged in England for stealing things worth 5 shillings and above.

The myth of the "Russian slavery" and "Russian despotism." The basis of this myth is Russian serfdom. The myth of the “slave soul” of the Russians, who need a “master,” “king,” is then derived from it. They say that for so long the Russians were “slaves” under princes, kings, emperors and general secretaries, and now even in a democracy they dream of “slavery”, of the “master of the country”. Can not be truly "free."

Although in reality all these reflections upset one fact of victories of the Russian army - the slaves would not have fought like that. In addition, Russian serfdom, for all its minuses, cannot be called slavery, it was a kind of duty in conditions of constant survival, confrontation with the East and the West. Often the relationship of the landowner and the peasants were patriarchal, when a nobleman took care of the peasants. He did not let them go bankrupt, go to sleep, supported him in difficult times, etc. As a result, the peasantry was a single whole for a long time, without breaking up into the poor and the rich kulaks (world-eaters).

Fans blame Russia for slavery do not remember the fact that in the West the situation was no better, and often worse: in Austria and Germany, serfdom was abolished not much earlier than in Russia - in 1848; in the United States, slavery (present, with gentlemen and "two-legged things") existed before the 1865 year; England and France in the American States Civil War, supported the southern slave states. Even longer than in North America, present slavery existed in Brazil and the Ottoman Empire, with which the Western countries worked closely. Before the beginning of the 20 century there was slavery in the Transvaal. In the colonies of Europeans, if slavery and abolished, but the local aborigines for the "white gentlemen" were people of the second (nobility), the third and fourth grade. Moreover, it was not the Russians who were taken out of Africa and they sold millions of people into slavery, they did not turn the Indians into slaves.

Whereas in Russia corporal punishment was abolished along with serfdom, in England in the 1880s, and navy until the beginning of the 1930th century. In the English colonies, in the same India, corporal punishment also existed in the 1987s. Corporal punishment in public schools and private schools in England, where at least part of the capital belonged to state power, has been prohibited since 1999; in other private schools in Britain, such penalties were prohibited in 2000 (England and Wales), 2003 (Scotland) and XNUMX (Northern Ireland). In the United States, corporal punishment in schools, mainly in the south of the country, is still permitted in a number of states.

In most European countries, democratic institutions were introduced no earlier than the middle of the nineteenth century, i.e. Alexander II with his reforms (judicial, military, creation of local self-government — zemstvos, etc.) kept pace with the dictates of the era. In the citadel of the democracy of England in the 18th century, no more than 2% of the population had voting rights. Election rights for women in the United States were introduced only in 1920, in Great Britain in 1928, in France 1944, in Switzerland in 1971. In the USA, “colored” (blacks, Indians) were equalized with whites only in the 1960s. In this regard, "Soviet democracy" was more developed than in Western countries.

The myth of the "Russian threat. If we analyze the wars that Russia waged in the era of the empire, we can see that a significant part of them were defensive wars. Russia did not threaten the European powers, didn’t start wars on its own initiative, but didn’t repel aggression from Western countries. It turns out that the European subconscious has turned its aggressiveness and expansion into the myth of "Russian aggression."

You can look at the most famous wars of the Russian Empire in the last period of its existence: World War I - we were declared a war, drawing us into a conflict that we do not need; Russian-Japanese war - the Japanese attacked the Russian fleet without declaring war; Russian-Turkish war of 1877-1878 - Russia for two years persuaded the Turks to stop violence against Slavs and Christians of the Balkan Peninsula, to carry out reforms, only the refusal of Ports from their previous commitments, led to the need to start a war; Crimean War - the Turks declared war on Russia, because they knew about the support from England and France.

If Russia were really aggressive, in principle, with all its military power, which was higher than any force in Europe and even withstood the war with the European unions (examples of Napoleon and Hitler, when Russia defeated most of European civilization), its possessions in Europe would be a lot more.

"The Myth of Russian drunkenness." Until the Soviet period stories Russia was the most sober country of Europe. During the First World War, with the full support of the Russian public, a “dry law” was introduced, which reduced the level of alcohol consumption in the Russian Empire to zero.

"Russian corruption". Russian corrupt officials stole no more than their counterparts from "civilized" France or the United States. Suffice it to recall the famous Panama scandal that erupted in France at the end of the XIX century during the construction of the Panama Canal. In the United States, the term “production divide” was introduced into circulation in the 1832 year, it meant a process when a newly elected American president or governor paid for various deeds with those financial, industrial clans that helped in his election to the post.
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  1. mitrich
    mitrich 21 October 2011 08: 51 New
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    Personal experience (and not only mine):
    they love us and don’t love us. But basically they are normal and even love. Amer in the world is now no longer loved.
    I happened to see a plot on German TV about car theft. Georgians with an Armenian stole a car, but on a box in a hotel it sounded: "RUSSIAN Mafia!" What is Russian when the USSR collapsed in 1991? Like this.
    In my opinion, Russia didn’t present normal starships only to Great Britain and the USA, therefore understanding with respect is still not enough on their part. Yes, and to hell with them.
    Thanks to Samsonov for the article. Well written.
    1. Vadivak 21 October 2011 09: 15 New
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      Pavel, I understand everything and support you, but at the same time it’s at least incredible for Georgians with an Armenian in the same car

      enmity towards the Georgians is the sacred law of the Armenian nation

      "Slightly closed about the attack on the Armenians" on April 24, 1915
      1. sirToad
        sirToad 21 October 2011 09: 26 New
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        do not tell! in a foreign territory there may be a "water truce" a couple of years ago met a fellow countryman - an Azerbaijani. he complained - "the Armenians are of course * evil but have to work together."
      2. zczczc
        zczczc 21 October 2011 15: 35 New
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        VadivakThe bandits have always been internationalists. If you put the benefit above all and at all costs ...
      3. mitrich
        mitrich 21 October 2011 19: 06 New
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        Vadivak,
        I write about what I saw or heard. Believe it or not is your right.
        1. Igarr 9 February 2012 20: 31 New
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          mitrich. 100 points...
          the most valuable thing is what we are talking about here - Russian is a state of mind!
          I wanted to steal a car - well, Russian soul, burst my eyes.
          We looked at - en, no - Georgians with an Armenian.
          It’s good that Russia is united for the West.
          Let only we here, in place, know who we are. And out - we are all Russian.
          Hooray.
      4. ivan2482
        ivan2482 25 October 2011 18: 50 New
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        The enmity of Georgians and Armenians, for what reasons ??? And those and other Christians, what should they share ??? You mixed something up ...
  2. sirToad
    sirToad 21 October 2011 09: 06 New
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    from my own experience I can say that Russians, even recently, still have more respect in the east. but again, in order to have more respect, it is necessary to stop wagging the tail in front of the west. and of course, I also saw a similar plot about the Russian mafia. only there were Latvians.
    1. solodova 21 October 2011 11: 20 New
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      It looks like the mafia, so the Russians ... and if they had saved the child or transferred the old woman across the road, they would have been citizens of sovereign countries that had escaped their clutches of the Russian occupiers.
      Russophobia is also an incomprehensible phenomenon for me. They are afraid of us. And much. It is unlikely that their subconscious mind works. There was probably something to be afraid of. Because of this alone, the Fomenko-Nosov version has the right to life.
      1. zczczc
        zczczc 21 October 2011 15: 38 New
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        solodova, the version of Fomenko-Nosovsky is not confirmed by the mass of historical documents and artifacts. Maternity should be considered. To find at least one kind to a depth of more than the 16th century - that would be the truth and revealed.
        1. Beil88 21 October 2011 16: 21 New
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          Quote: zczczc
          solodova, the version of Fomenko-Nosovsky is not confirmed by the mass of historical documents and artifacts. Maternity should be considered. To find at least one kind to a depth of more than the 16th century - that would be the truth and revealed.


          Of course, they are not right in everything, and they don’t say this, but it’s interesting how you could explain the appearance of the painting “Three Graces” by Raphael on the wall of a house in Pompeii, which were covered with ashes allegedly in the XNUMXst century BC. AD? I was very skeptical of their theory until I watched the series of films "History: Science or Fiction?" and did not think about their arguments.
          1. zczczc
            zczczc 21 October 2011 21: 44 New
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            Beil88, hmm, I also watched it - 12 episodes. In which series about the picture, recall (and, if possible, the time from the start of the series)?

            I do not possess knowledge to the extent of categorical judgment. Some things there are clearly robust, some raise questions. It seemed to me that there are more second ones. I looked for a long time, I don’t remember the details, of course.
            1. chehywed 22 October 2011 02: 21 New
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              The vast majority of people on the site are healthy and adequate. I appeal to the adherents of Nosovsky and Fomenko. Please think before writing that Russia was from the English Channel to the Yangtze, and from Svalbard to Ceylon. It turns out that since those time immemorial our ancestors roamed the 2 / 3 territories? Well, bhhhhhh! They collected Russia, and not squandered!
              1. zczczc
                zczczc 22 October 2011 17: 35 New
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                chehywed, exactly so - prosrali. In the period of feudal fragmentation, we were generally one step away from complete disintegration. Those. we first reached the pen, and then we gathered.

                Are you aware that the territory of the USSR is smaller than the territory of the Russian Empire? And this despite the fact that the Union calculated the reservoirs, but not in the Empire. We were really strong thousands of years ago only. And under Stalin. The western border of the Warsaw block and the eastern border of Mongolia and China (the border of influence) - this is roughly what we had before Christianity and Islam. Stalin gathered our ancient lands, and we immediately drained them.
                1. Beil88 23 October 2011 11: 11 New
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                  zczczc, interesting ... And where did such information come from? Can you give a source?
              2. zczczc
                zczczc 23 October 2011 00: 14 New
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                chehywed, I add - I'm not an adherent of FN. The area was, of course, smaller :)
                In the next message I wrote which one. But we and her crap.
              3. solodova 24 October 2011 14: 47 New
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                Quote: chehywed
                Russia was collected, not squandered!

                Well, by the way, here Alaska, for example, just sailed away from us.
                By the way, I am not an adept. But if official history does not give an explanation to some facts, then why not look back. We are people, not horses in blinkers, who see only what is supposed to be on top. At Fomenko-Nosov, too, some things seemed drawn. And I am sorry that I do not have such knowledge so that some of their statements could be verified. I think - the theory has the right to be until it is refuted.
            2. Beil88 22 October 2011 02: 47 New
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              zczczc, about the picture was not in the film, this is an article from the official website of the New Chronology. The article is called "The Last Day of Pompeii." In addition to the picture, there are some more strange facts. Personally, it is much more convenient for me to think in the usual historical categories: antiquity, the Middle Ages, new history, modern, etc. But the questions raised by Fomenko-Nosovsky, involuntarily make you think ... It is not necessary to accept their point of view, but it is simply necessary to rethink the history of mankind.

              By the way, one of the main arguments of the opponents of the theory of FN is - they say, how did you manage to make the whole world lie? Recall what is happening with the display of World War II in different countries. The direct participants in those events are still alive, and many people (even ours) are already convinced that, for example, “Soviet soldiers raped 2 million Germans, Russians bombed Hiroshima, the NKVD shot the Poles, the victory in Stalingrad took place thanks to El Alamein, and under Kursk Germans lost only 5 tanks! And 100 years have not passed, and myths have already been created!
              1. zczczc
                zczczc 22 October 2011 17: 36 New
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                Beil88This is certainly true. You cannot take anything for granted, you have to think. But FN should not be taken on faith - food for thought. Absolutely agree.

                I’ll read the article.
              2. zczczc
                zczczc 23 October 2011 00: 56 New
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                Beil88, read - here is the article itself:
                http://new.chronologia.org/volume6/pompei.html

                Particularly striking is the amazing similarity, even in detail, of the composition of the Pompeian fresco "Three Graces" and much later Raphael. We see the same plot in Francesco del Cossa's "Triumph of Venus" 1476-1484., Peter Paul Rubens "The Three Graces", approx. 1640, and in the sculptural composition from Cyrene, an unknown author dating from the 3rd century BC. I personally am surprised at this and have not been able to answer any questions that I really plainly answer. I admit that there was a kind of canon among artists, how to portray grace, but not in detail? Was he prescribed by the pope? There is obvious plagiarism! Either Raphael painted a mural in Pompeii, having previously worked with a shovel, or Raphael had a time machine!

                The author of the article answers his own question - there’s no need to dig out, you could just look at the work of Francesca del Cossa:
                http://photo.i.ua/user/3966054/248820/6840902/
                Read the comment under the photo on this page :)

                The remaining arguments in the spirit of "well, they could not have done in antiquity as in the 17th century." I think they could - because they did not burn at the stake for the study of sciences. In the Roman Empire, for example, insurance was developed.

                In general, the argument in the theory of FN must be raised to a higher level, then it can be discussed. And so - this is an interesting walk through history. The core of their entire theory - comparing texts on formal grounds cannot be an independent argument, only as an additional one.
                1. Igarr 9 February 2012 20: 40 New
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                  Glad I found interested ...
                  The Nosovsky-Fomenko theory has a stretch - but I attribute them more to propaganda techniques. Because of this, they lose ..
                  Their mathematical apparatus is correct, respectively ....
                  Here is the implementation of historical constructions - here everyone is free to think out.
                  A "comparison of texts on formal grounds .." is from somewhere in another opera.
                  I'll give you a link ... "..http: //rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php? T = 1131592 .....
                  And all the confirmation of NF, the "new chronology" of the 19th century.
  3. SL.Kocegar
    SL.Kocegar 21 October 2011 09: 24 New
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    mitrich, let me disagree about Great Britain, Russia also pressed her tail. In January 1863, a national liberation uprising began on the territory of the Kingdom of Poland, Lithuania, partially Belarus and Right-Bank Ukraine.

    The British and French governments, in order to weaken Russia, decided to intervene in Polish affairs, declaring "support" for the rebellious Poles.

    The aggravation of relations with these powers, especially in view of the recent Crimean War, which ended with the defeat of Russia, could not but disturb the Russian government. As a preventive measure, it was decided to send naval formations to the shores of North America.

    This, firstly, would have created a threat to the British and French sea trade routes in the event of a war, and, secondly, liberated large fleet forces in advance from the cramped operational space of the Baltic.

    On the other hand, there was a Civil War in the United States during this period, and the presence of friendly naval forces in their ports corresponded to the interests of the Northern States.

    An understanding with the president of the North American United States, Abraham Lincoln, was found quickly. This was greatly facilitated by the skillful and active work of the Russian naval attache in the USA, Captain 1st Rank Stepan Stepanovich Lesovsky.

    On June 25, 1863, Emperor Alexander II signed the highest permission to send cruising squadrons to the Atlantic and Pacific oceans to act on British trade routes in the event of hostilities. The news of the unexpected concentration of both Russian squadrons in American ports made an impression on the business community of England: potential the threat of brisk merchant shipping, which was virtually unprotected in the current situation, had a sobering effect. In view of this, the British government decided to evade the support of France. Austria also changed its position, and even later rendered some assistance to Russia in suppressing the rebellion. France, remaining in isolation, was also forced to abandon its opposition to Russia.
    1. mitrich
      mitrich 21 October 2011 09: 42 New
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      SL.Kocegar,
      No, well, to be specific on the hill? My brains remind me only of the Crimean War, when our sailors of their guards cavalry beat the horns specifically.
      1. datur 22 October 2011 04: 45 New
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        it’s for sure that they shot almost at point blank range an entire team of select gentlemen. steel nerves were in our gunners. the kind of attacking cavalry is not for the faint of heart. By the way, English women now say from Discovery that it was impossible to do this - not European or gentlemanly. wink
        1. Beil88 22 October 2011 07: 34 New
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          datur they always had double standards ....
        2. Denis 22 October 2011 08: 57 New
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          Quote: datur
          according to the discovery they say that it was impossible to do this - not European or gentlemanly.

          may not be gentlemanly either, but these unconventional perverters of history are not vulgar ...
          as if they were not called to the Crimea, came uninvited-heaps
          were they gentlemen in India and Africa, or is it not considered there?
          1. ZHORA
            ZHORA 25 October 2011 10: 27 New
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            Rowed off Russia, in the Crimea, English troops after the capture of Sevastopol were for a long time. And Russia has made a shameful world.

            On February 25, 1856, the Paris Congress began, and on March 18 (30), a peace treaty was signed.
            Russia returned the city of Kars with a fortress to the Ottomans, receiving in exchange Sevastopol, Balaklava and other Crimean cities seized from it.
            The Black Sea was declared neutral (that is, open to commercial and closed to military courts), with the prohibition of Russia and the Ottoman Empire to have military fleets and arsenals there.
            Navigation along the Danube was declared free, for which the Russian borders were moved away from the river, and part of Russian Bessarabia with the mouth of the Danube was annexed to Moldova.
            Russia was deprived of the protectorate over Moldavia and Wallachia and the exclusive patronage of Russia over the Christian subjects of the Ottoman Empire, granted to it by the Kuchuk-Kainardzhiyskoy world 1774 year.
            Russia pledged not to erect fortifications on the Åland Islands.


            As always in Russia, their defeats are presented as a victory ...
          2. ZHORA
            ZHORA 25 October 2011 10: 29 New
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            Rowed off Russia, in the Crimea, English troops after the capture of Sevastopol were for a long time. And Russia has made a shameful world.

            On February 25, 1856, the Paris Congress began, and on March 18 (30), a peace treaty was signed.
            Russia returned the city of Kars with a fortress to the Ottomans, receiving in exchange Sevastopol, Balaklava and other Crimean cities seized from it.
            The Black Sea was declared neutral (that is, open to commercial and closed to military courts), with the prohibition of Russia and the Ottoman Empire to have military fleets and arsenals there.
            Navigation along the Danube was declared free, for which the Russian borders were moved away from the river, and part of Russian Bessarabia with the mouth of the Danube was annexed to Moldova.
            Russia was deprived of the protectorate over Moldavia and Wallachia and the exclusive patronage of Russia over the Christian subjects of the Ottoman Empire, granted to it by the Kuchuk-Kainardzhiyskoy world 1774 year.
            Russia pledged not to erect fortifications on the Åland Islands.


            As always in Russia, their defeats are presented as a victory ...
        3. ZHORA
          ZHORA 25 October 2011 10: 23 New
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          And before that, the gentlemen under Alma were smashed to smithereens, and Sevastopol then took the gentlemen ....
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            1. ZHORA
              ZHORA 26 October 2011 16: 45 New
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              PNH shovel
              1. Igarr 9 February 2012 20: 54 New
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                Not about that, ZHORA ..
                Russia lost the Crimean War, who would argue.
                The thing is that England in the person of its aristocracy has BEATED in full. And even Winston Churchill came in 1943 to the ancestor’s grave in the Crimea, during the Yalta Conference.
                And there was Transvaal - where the Russian volunteers, together with the Boers - greatly so ragged the British.
  4. Superduck
    Superduck 21 October 2011 09: 36 New
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    Samsonov, as always, decided to grind the water in the mortar, like a woman, by golly.
    Almost every day I communicate with Europeans and Americans of a layer of managers and those specialists. They have an attitude towards Russians on the verge of divine awe. At the same time, they sometimes mention the Russians who settled in their countries, so about half of them do the same as many Dagestanis do in Moscow, i.e. nothing creative. And they are always ready to throw someone on the headstock, throw out the trash from the window, urinate in the elevator and other democratic liberties. In short, Russian emigrants (and he really does not distinguish between the nationalities of the USSR there) is still that ulcer in their society.
    In fairness, I can say that similar myths about Americans are also more often false.
    1. sirToad
      sirToad 21 October 2011 09: 42 New
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      in America was not. managed to communicate with only three American citizens. maybe they are specially selected for work in Russia but they were all in the "framework of myths"
      1. Superduck
        Superduck 21 October 2011 09: 53 New
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        I probably had more luck with the Americans. Although it’s worth recognizing that it’s very easy to run into a dumb clerk’s voice, they’re not very communicating by telephone, they don’t send such people here, at least I haven’t met them. Although running into a stupid clerk is no less likely.
        The problem in the perception of Americans is more about the fact that they are really shifted to dough, but any person who has lived for at least a year in the states (I have not had a chance) understands that they have built a society so that you are encouraged to make this money. But this is perhaps their only conceptual problem. But among white Anglo-Saxons it’s a shame to sit on the manual, and for our pofik, this is precisely the problem of Russian perception by them.
        1. sirToad
          sirToad 21 October 2011 10: 19 New
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          yes, I noticed among them the general, not that stupidity, but the inability to dialogue. here they all propagandize any "pluralism" and consider themselves the only correct ones. I talked with a black American preacher, with some dubious type, whom I myself called the "CIAshnik" and one student or a graduate student. and with all the same picture. while you are talking about general topics, you’re quite normal interlocutors. and you turn to something conceptual - for example, religion, the question of victory in the Patriotic War, or there the problem of eviction of "small peoples" - even in the person they change. it’s just like the imam in public to offer vodka to drink.
          1. Superduck
            Superduck 21 October 2011 10: 23 New
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            Quote: sirToad
            who called himself "CIAshnik"

            Was his name Paul?
            Quote: sirToad
            and you go on to something conceptual - for example, religion, the question of victory in World War II, or is there the problem of eviction of "small nations"

            So we have the same thing in general, try to discuss a similar topic with the person who is savvy in it, but love ends with 2 options:
            1. Nothing to talk about because the point of view is one
            2. Send each other fuck and stay with yours.
            I don’t know what you found here specific for the Americans. However, I agree that the influence of mass media on their Mosk is slightly higher than ours.
            1. sirToad
              sirToad 21 October 2011 10: 55 New
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              why Paul? Like he was my namesake.
              not, with our topics, however, some questions can be discussed, even with resunoids. and with these guys - just some kind of clinic. I already wrote about Negro. it turned out funny - the dream was black and white, and I met the current, so she began to preach to me, and there, word for word, it was agreed that America turned to Christ before Russia. the "cloak and dagger fighter" muttered about the fact that in Russia there was never anything of its own and there wasn’t anything about land - lease, of course. and the graduate student was rushing with Solz, and in the millions of thousands of innocently killed. it seemed to me that all three had a brainwash.
              1. Superduck
                Superduck 21 October 2011 18: 41 New
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                Quote: sirToad
                why Paul? Like he was my namesake.

                Yes, I know one gender, who used to work in intelligence, right now the net speaker hangs around here.
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                sirToad, at least a dream come true ??? wink
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                  I won’t lie ... I can certainly give out details, as the story is anecdotal. but this is not the topic
    2. Order 21 October 2011 11: 07 New
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      In his specialty "oil industry", there is little experience in dealing with Yankees and Britons, all techies. True, of the four amers, one was Australian, and one Armenian, he was a translator. What can I say, in general, it’s quite a people that immediately catches the eye, very friendly, good professionals. True, he noted that professionalism is narrowly focused, only what is stipulated by him in the contract is no more and no less, unlike ours, who try to “steer” everywhere ... But they drink at least shaves, well, no less than us. ....
      1. Superduck
        Superduck 21 October 2011 18: 42 New
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        yes, by the way my sidekick somehow decided to drink the Irish, still recalls as a nightmare
  5. Motherland
    Motherland 21 October 2011 09: 40 New
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    America is trying to expose itself everywhere. Well, for example, if the USSR had broken, Hitler would have been the hero that freed the world from communism, and now they attribute themselves to victory in the 2nd World War and impose it on the whole world. I think everyone saw CNN issues as a “big, unshaven until now, communist Russia "attacked a small defenseless Georgia, and when the fact that their Americans were preparing surfaced, and how all their training turned out to be fucking, they began to blame on the lack of discipline.
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    "" The myth of Russian drunkenness. "Until the Soviet period of history, Russia was the most sober country in Europe."
    In my opinion, Peter the Great began to solder Russia in succession. Were "sovereign taverns" built with him?
    But Kukuy was smashed to smithereens not by Russian savagery, but because this place became (largely thanks to the privileges given by the tsar) a nest of drunkenness and vice. An analogue in our time can serve as the facts of the demolition of gypsy drug dealers.
    1. kesa1111
      kesa1111 21 October 2011 10: 40 New
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      It’s good to be proud of the past, but it’s even better now at least to begin to fight corruption and theft. To increase life expectancy, birth rate, etc.
  7. Ion coaelung
    Ion coaelung 21 October 2011 10: 47 New
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    Here you are all talking about the fact that the myths about us are imposed, unfair, justify ourselves .... And what is the purpose of such disinformation? In the end, it even comes to us, youth grows with similar “accusations”. Imagine what will happen to a person if he is told from childhood that he is an idiot? This is the impact on our worldview in the first place, and you care about what others think, and even argue and curse about it! Notice their plan works!
    1. solodova 21 October 2011 11: 35 New
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      And the result is one. Part will try not to be like the Russians - a substitute for our principles of morality and spirituality with their lack of principle, immorality and lack of spirituality.
      Those who do not want to be not "Russian" will still become them, yielding to the entreaties of "friends with a swastika in their bosoms." Already dofiga hysteroids that scream that the Slavs are also Aryans, so Hitler’s case is alive. Ugh on their shaved boshki !! But Nazism burns out "Russianness" completely. No matter how they call themselves and worship Yaril and other gods of Russian paganism - they are no longer Russian.
      Only the strongest will remain Russians. Who does not lead to a pendoso-NATO divorce. Who will not believe their trolls, purchased according to the price lists with the aim of muttering against the Russians, against the communists (after all, as they fear the Communists, they are buying trolls against them, but this party now has no strength in the Duma. HA-HA-HA !!) Moreover , apparently the Russians will be mostly not ethnic, but spiritual Russians. Those who accepted as their Russian culture and who will save it when the feral “Russ” will wave red-white-black flags over their bald heads.
      Bitter truth. All the more I will respect ethnic Russians who do not succumb. Since this work of the State Department and NATO is aimed at them directly. And to withstand this shaft of Russophobic and Nazi delirium can only real RUSSIAN.
      1. Denis 21 October 2011 11: 56 New
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        Quote: solodova
        Those who do not want to be not "Russian" will still become them, succumbing to the entreaties of "friends with a swastika in their bosoms." Already dofiga hysteroids that scream that the Slavs are also Aryans, so Hitler’s case is alive.

        Isn’t this another myth?
        After playing with absolutely unnecessary Hitler, these skin-headed guys themselves, unwillingly, offered such a gift to different ... from the "fifth column"
        and now often good thoughts are called fascist, but for our country this is a stigma
        and why fascist, is Hitler an Italian?
        maybe I'm confusing, but it seems to me he was a national socialist
        1. solodova 21 October 2011 13: 12 New
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          Quote: Denis
          After playing with absolutely unnecessary Hitler, these skin-headed guys themselves, unwillingly, offered such a gift to different ... from the "fifth column"

          This is not a gift to the 5 column, but a purposefully created tool for them to divide Russia.
          I didn’t understand you — you are not connecting Hitler and fascism in any way?
          You do not look at Wikipedia, but at TSB, or somewhere else ... And Vicki is trying to bend the Western doctrine, according to which communism is a form of fascism ...
          At the center of fascist ideology are the ideas of military expansion, racial inequality, "class harmony" (the theory of "popular community" and "corporatism"), leaderism (the "principle of the Fuhrer"), the sovereignty of the state machine (theory of the "total state"). In the most concentrated form, these ideas were expressed in the book. A. Hitler's Mine Kampf (1925)
          http://slovari.yandex.ru/~книги/БСЭ/Фашизм
          1. Denis 21 October 2011 13: 55 New
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            I didn’t understand you — you are not connecting Hitler and fascism in any way?

            I connect Italian fascists allies of Germany in World War II
            but in Germany itself it was not they who ruled, but the National Socialists
            1. solodova 21 October 2011 14: 24 New
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              Accordingly, in the 4's we did not fight with the Nazis, but with the National Socialists. And what do you think we have with fascism? Those. all historical works on this subject - profanity?
              I myself don’t even write ... Here is another excerpt from the same TSB, which you all the same, apparently do not trust ..
              Him. the fascist National Socialist Party arose in 1919 (the official name, the National Socialist German Workers' Party, reflected the desire of its organizers to use the influence of the ideas of socialism among German workers in the interests of extreme reaction). In an atmosphere of deepening political crisis, relying on the support of a group of large monopolies and having entered into an alliance with influential circles in the leadership of the Reichswehr, the leader ("Fuhrer") of the Germans. Nazis Hitler received in late January 1933 mandate to form a government. Having staged the burning of the Reichstag and attributing the blame for it to the Communists (see the 1933 Leipzig process), the German fascists completely “unified” the country for several months, bringing bloody terror to all democratic and liberal movements, throwing them in prisons and physically destroying all real and potential opponents Nazi regime ...
              And further in the text. Denis, you are not one of those who consider Hitler a good fellow, an occasion, or your statements are similar to the statements of one Natsik whom I had an aversion to know personally?
              1. Denis 21 October 2011 16: 21 New
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                you are not one of those who consider Hitler a good fellow

                no, no and NO!
                how many modern journalists you sin - what’s wrong with them, the stigma of a tyrant and a fascist
                there is no excuse for this cannibal, although some (!) of his actions impress me
          2. Superduck
            Superduck 21 October 2011 18: 52 New
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            Well, you took for the truth, TSB wink . In fact, fascism and Nazism are not at all the same thing. These are 2 wings of the same regime in Germany. So, Fascism is just a feature of socio-economic relations based on social democracy. Differences between fascism and social democracy in the violent suppression of the opposition, imperial ways, leaderism and militarism. Because the real fascists - Italians were not quite Nazis, they were imperialists. But Nazism is not a system but an ideology.
            So, if Nazism is cut off from Nazi Germany, then a completely socially-oriented country with the manners of building a great empire, with a focus on the working class and other attributes of totalitarianism and ideological brainwashing will be cut off for itself. You can draw a lot of parallels and it’s dangerous to do it, but with communism of the Soviet understanding, there are certainly
          3. sedoj 21 October 2011 19: 11 New
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            Speaking of Wikipedia: noticed that in different languages ​​he writes not quite true. Found this, for example, in the description of viburnum. On the Russian page, it is a berry rich in vitamins, which is also used in medicinal plants. In German, it is a slightly poisonous decorative berry.
            1. datur 22 October 2011 04: 57 New
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              that Russian is good for a German death wink
            2. sirToad
              sirToad 22 October 2011 05: 22 New
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              Yes, the Germans and viburnum and sea buckthorn are considered poisonous berries. here simply if you write the Germans Old for Russian, they may misunderstand. but in general - yes pedivikia very often gives a distorted or biased information
      2. zczczc
        zczczc 21 October 2011 16: 02 New
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        solodova, according to Muldashev, so generally all living people are Aryans. All Iranians and part of the Indians called themselves and are called Aryans. And the Nazis made a profit of Joseph Arthur de Gobino, who exalted the whites over yellow and black, and the Aryans excelled among whites.

        In reality, probably, only the judgment of those who "coined" the term is correct. Indians. Everything is simple with them - those who recognized the Vedas and were Aryans. In this sense, the Germans were not Aryans :)
        There are Kalash tribes who live somewhere between India, Pakistan and Afghanistan. There you can see these people:

        Kokoshnik :)

        So they are the Aryans, or rather, their ancestors. Because it is absolutely certain that for the last 6 thousand years they have been besieged all around for "dissimilarity" to themselves and "similarity to people from the north."
        1. zczczc
          zczczc 21 October 2011 16: 43 New
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          add:
          One journalist (ours), who works in northern India, told me that there you can meet a completely Russian-looking native in the street. After their language is phonetically understood, it begins to be understood semantically as well - the basic words are exactly the same:
          rich - speech
          tea - tea
          hlas - read
          agni - fire (well, even at school they taught me)
          mrta - dead
          hima - winter
          dina - day
          diva - marvel
          garga - thunderstorm
          race - dew
          thunder - snowstorm
          silt - silt
          ruch - beam
          trina - grass
          tata - father (well, it's almost everywhere)
          rodas - rod, land
          suna - son
          jani - wife
          priya - nice
          hrad - rejoice
          bast - love
          media - laugh
          chula - closet
          chickens - cock :)
          sandpiper - sandpiper
          fly - mouse
          dog - dog
          lamb - lamb
          shaft - hair
          loop - peel
          fall - fall
          cool - chill
          tap - warm
          nud - nudit

          She told me how she first came to an inexpensive cafe and looked like a complete fool when she said "Please, give me one cup of tea!" - they did not understand her. She said in Russian - they understood right away. After that, an educated Indian explained to her - speak Russian, do not break your tongue.

          In general, we speak Sanskrit. If appearance and language coincide, then who are we? Germans from Persia come from (Iranians, I mean), this was established by comparing the plots of fairy tales (they have nothing to do with any European people in the Germans). Therefore, they, and we, and many more who are Aryans. True, we preserved both the language and the appearance practically unchanged (Persia is surrounded by a mass of other peoples, the appearance changed greatly, and we are the result of resettlement in the north-west, where nobody was, therefore we are more like that part of the Indians that the Vedas recognized ) Why the Indians themselves are so multicultural and outwardly different - I do not know, no one knows. Muldashev writes that there is a repository of the gene pool in general, but who knows him, and his language and appearance are facts.

          Therefore, the association of the Aryans precisely in the fascists is not true. Aryans are much wider. In general, in the historical context, fascism is nothing, it is a nanosecond. Shallow flow. Napoleon as well as Hitler, entering any village first shot Jews. And what, are the French considered fascists? Or the Spaniards doing the same thing (I accidentally saw this movie in a movie theater -
          http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%90%D
          0%BB%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5_(%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BC)
          I was amazed at some speeches, as if it were a film about the Third Reich). The purpose of using the word “Aryan” in a negative way is not to humiliate a German or a fascist (those who are so worried about fascism, they think about the future, not about the past), but the humiliation of Russians in the first place. Because we are a thousand-year-old force in all of Eurasia, and not some French or Germans.
          1. indrik
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            there is a lot of light friend Horatio, which our sages did not dream of !!!
          2. solodova 24 October 2011 14: 25 New
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            The children are clearly of Slavic appearance. I have long noticed a great similarity between Indian dialects and ours. Which, in principle, is understandable, we are of the same origin.
            Napoleon, unlike Hitler, didn’t ruin the locals so thoughtfully.
            The Germans did a lot to create their ideology for themselves and raked the swastika and Aryans. It is clear that Kolovrat had nothing to do with fascism.

            Enrages this - a lot of fellows divorced, such as Russians, who took nicknames like the old Slavic names Rodover, Kolovratiev, etc. Slowly instill thoughts that the Russians - the Aryans, Hitler friend and brother and just wanted to free the Russian brothers from the Bolshevik infection, the Russians - God's chosen people, the rest are lumps and they must be beaten - Every business. To attract the sympathy of the population, two main features are used, Russians are humiliated, the government - genocide of its people.
            Both that and another are true, but under this bagpipes they push the nationalist propaganda paid by the State Department. Therefore, I am extremely wary of the fighters for the rights of Russians and the use of words and symbols previously used by the Nazis (I will call them all the same, some of the nuances are secondary to me here).
            1. sirToad
              sirToad 24 October 2011 14: 42 New
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              You should have seen the highlanders from the Talysh mountains. (Azerbaijan) before the invasion of Arabs and Ottomans, the entire autochthonous population of Transcaucasia looked something like this.
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                Among the Kazakhs, red and blue-eyed are still found.
                1. zczczc
                  zczczc 24 October 2011 16: 08 New
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                  solodovaDuc Italians in ancient times were blue-eyed blondes. Now you will not find this there, I guess.
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                    Remember the episode from "True Love" by Tarantino, when the damned mafiosi tortured the father of the boy who stole their damned drugs. So he laid out on the shelves why the Italians turned black.
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                      zczczc 26 October 2011 00: 45 New
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                      KonstantmI didn’t look, to be honest. Tarantino usually removes this ...
            2. zczczc
              zczczc 24 October 2011 16: 06 New
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              solodova, right, but this is only as long as these fellows without a king in their heads are given to themselves. If there was a state institute at least on their side, who would study historical sources on a professional basis, show the truth to a scum, then everything would fall into place - most of these Kolovrati would serve the state faithfully and only a handful of extremists , which spoils everything, would leave. Kolovrati have a mess in their head - they communicate at the level of symbols. If the symbol resembles a swastika, then gut, if it does not resemble it, is nafik. The last geek comes, slaps himself with swastikas - and he has his own. And it leads these crowds to the barricades later - to wet one or these. And it hits all Russian then.

              Knowledge is power. And the enemies are those who measure our history from the baptism of Russia.
              1. solodova 24 October 2011 17: 13 New
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                Agree. But I’m afraid that a significant part of virtual Kolovrati will talk about the “culture of Russia” only as long as the pendos pay money, cultivating Russian Nazism, which will be the occasion in the eyes of the whole world for the destruction of Russia.
                A true patriot is one who does not forget not only the long, but also the recent past and refuses to fraternize with Hitler’s.
                The State Department is carefully considering its work and has already caught a lot of people into the bait of "patriotism", freedom and shit democracy. It's a shame that those people are caught who suffer for the Motherland with their souls, and the State Department processes them. Beat .. bastards in the holy Motherland ...
                Porridge is true, but only sometimes so thought out.
                Main components:
                1. The government - ... (well, one cannot disagree here)
                2. The Communists - the Jews-Masons (ECA wrapped)))
                3. Russians are the elite of the world
                4. The strongest survives
                On the last point, recently watched a video, look for "The Rat King has captured people"
                1. zczczc
                  zczczc 24 October 2011 19: 20 New
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                  solodovaOf course, a true patriot is one who does not forget the whole story from yesterday to time immemorial. But not only does not forget, but also draws conclusions. Those. a patriot is not an encyclopedia; he must have a living thought.

                  Regarding fishing rods - in the current stage of the existence of any currents, it is better to stay apart altogether. I somehow went to one very decent forum where they discuss Russian history and, importantly, culture. I thought that the very fact of their active discussion of culture is a certain guarantee that they have brains. And I came to them with one question - why and why do you love Germans so much? They are responsible for national socialism. Well, then a series of questions - in the spirit of "does not bother us that they killed us under this flag?". No, they do not bother, they are in illusions. They banned me there - they said that I did not understand the role of National Socialism. But I think that I’m just her, this role, and I understand.

                  Regarding the points - this is superficial, their porridge is deeper - they really sincerely believe that German fascism could do without robbing our lands and without turning the Russians into their vassals. Those. they admit that we fought, but believe that it was a random mistake, not a systemic phenomenon. Naive, in general. And they don’t want to listen to anything - the beauty of the German form is theirs, the dressing of officers and songs overshadows the mind.

                  In fact, the fact of such a number of believers is not accidental. In theory, indeed, Stalin could contain Hitler and help him to hang "whoever needs" - England, the USA in the first place. But the devil is in the details - they could not agree, they were not open enough to each other, distrust on both sides was terrible, etc.

                  Compare with the present? That's right on the forehead. Merkel does exactly what Hitler and Napoleon did - unites Europe (in which way - these are the details, the history of the part will forget, but the fact of unification will remain). Russia feeds Europe with resources in its entirety - forests, food, oil, gas, scientists, workers - we all give them back what Hitler requested, but Stalin did not give in the required amount. We have plans for an alliance with a united Europe, at least economic and military (yes, in the limit of improving the circumstances of cooperation, the creation of a unified monitoring system from Spain to the Kuril Islands, joint coordination of defenses and troops), which Stalin and Hitler also had, but collapsed due to mistrust correctly sown by British intelligence.

                  The story repeats the 3rd time - the first two are Napoleon and Hitler. Those two approaches are clouded by disrespect for us, let’s say so. The third has a chance. The third run began in 1978, when we began to negotiate with Helmut Schmidt on the construction of the Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod gas pipeline. We had the only enemy located thousands of kilometers away - the United States. Obviously, Schmidt, being a Jew, quickly suggested who should transfer the money through - thus, a "group of French banks" began to appear in the deal. Since then, the process has been extremely sluggish, it was significantly accelerated by Putin, but, as one American said, "if I want to call Europe, then what number should I dial?" I mean, it’s very difficult to negotiate with a crowd of small states. Those. The 3rd time has every chance to fail, and we will lose a lot of resources.

                  And the most correct way actually lies, as I wrote in the next topic, through the accession of the main agitator against the Russians in Europe - Poland. The task is difficult, but solvable, you need to know the Poles well in order to understand and dispel their fears. But if they take our side, then this plus is difficult to overestimate. Poland is our key to Europe. All Slavic countries will immediately catch up with Poland, except for the territory of the German Democratic Republic removed (long ago) from the Slavic status. Then it will be possible to propose conditions for cooperation of Germany, still controlled by the Germans, but already a de facto Muslim country, which it certainly will not refuse. And Germany is the rest of Europe. Here is such a plan. For its implementation, we just need not to die out, like Germany itself. In general, for the implementation of all our plans, we need to remove Russian women from the economy - in 3 years to bring a child. It’s cruel that someone’s plans to sit in the office or ruin railway tracks, but this is better than when Stalin de facto froze the persecution of rape after the war:

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                    One thing is not clear to me - why do we need Europe? We understand, free resources, a way to get the economy out of the swamp, a sales market, cannon fodder in the next NATO showdown .... etc.
                    They are us - why? We are rednecks for them, and the more concessions there are, the less they will respect us. In the world they created, respect can only be achieved by force. Moreover, by peaceful force, not in order to capture someone, but to be able to defend the interests of their state and friendly countries.

                    It is necessary to build up your economy, arm the army, and heal the nation. You say, women should be brought out of the economy to give birth to three children. In the current situation, both a woman and her three children will stretch their legs from starvation and a man tormented by three jobs will not be able to give children any upbringing, no money, no education ... In addition, until the new generation grows up and becomes able to work, the state will only have to invest, (Now everyone has transferred to the shoulders of citizens, they themselves are interrupting as they can), 20-25 years will pass, and it is not known what will be by then who will be in power. Existing problems need to be solved now, and not wait for the women to give birth, educate, train, and then the children will quickly raise the country. We’ll have to work for ourselves to begin with ... Therefore, you should not force women to put the birth of children on the stream. First of all, to establish security and the economy with the available forces, birth itself will go up. Without any compulsion. Another important fact is to destroy all propaganda of "free love" and alternative. Drugs, alcohol, tobacco - while all this is being sold even to children, all programs will lead to an increase in the number of children with birth defects. By the way, if I understood correctly the schedule before Stalin was better. And with him, in leaps, but moved down and no longer rose. So rape is not an option, and now that the gunner has equalized the chances regardless of physical strength, believe me, a woman, male producers who decide to breed like this will lose this opportunity and very likely life. Well, those women who will not resist and take revenge - they will give it anyway ... Only this is there now ... except for the growth of abandoned children and venous diseases, this does not lead to anything ...
                    1. zczczc
                      zczczc 25 October 2011 14: 31 New
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                      solodovaJulia come on you? :) We have a forum here, and not a reportable election meeting :) I didn’t say three children, but after 3 years each child, and so on until the calculated birth rate curve takes us to the desired population. Naturally, this can only be done with completely different social guarantees, i.e. not given power. It is necessary to carry out preparatory work for two years - to change the legislation, to set up housing at a faster pace, guarantees should be absolute - clothes, food, education, medicine, etc. The structure of labor remuneration should change radically - otherwise only one man will support 18 children in the village and 5 in the city. I did not say that this can be started with the existing order of things.

                      About the schedule - compare with hunger, repression and war. He brought up to 3 children per woman and calmed down - this was enough for further steady growth in the number (the chart does not show the number, but the number of children per woman). In our case, 3 is already small, so there is nowhere to pull further.

                      We need Europe just in order to no longer spend resources on its opposition. Moreover, in the military-tactical sense, owning a continent is always cheaper than 95 percent of it - the remaining 5% will be like a splinter - a bridgehead for the United States or another hegemon. Those. the goal is exactly the same as that of Hitler - to take all of Europe and part of Asia into one defense ring. This goal was always and Hitler didn’t mess it up, he just didn’t follow those methods. Well, there is still the obvious goal of returning their Slavic lands under their own control. Any strong country in Europe will do this. Now there are two of them - Russia and Germany.
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                        It is necessary to carry out preparatory work for two years - to change the legislation, to set up housing at a faster pace, guarantees should be absolute - clothing, food, education, medicine, etc.

                        Well, after that I think birth growth will go by itself. Our women are actually not as emancipated as in Europe. And most people care about career growth only as a springboard for future children.

                        In Europe, I still think we do not need them. If you spit on them, show political will and stop waving to the West, then they themselves will catch on. There really is a risk that China will take them under its wing. But there will be opposition from the United States. Let them fight for this Europe. And we, as a counteraction to the United States, would have to place something vigorous in Brazil, in Cuba, etc. And Europe ... To take them out of time, darkness will be needed, and resources will be immeasurable. It’s better to use it on your recovery. Europeans are already poisoned by their democracy and centuries-old hostility to the Russians. There will be "no matter how much the wolf feeds - it looks into the forest" .... The EU is collapsing, some countries may break away. And then we can accept them, but on our own terms. We think it’s better to get closer to the BRIC countries, better to India.
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                        zczczc 25 October 2011 23: 54 New
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                        As for Europe - there is such a saying "a holy place does not happen empty." Europe is untenable until it is united. And she has never been single :)
                        And even being one state, it will be dependent on us for resources.

                        So I didn’t offer to follow Putin’s plan through Germany, because it is very expensive. Putin thought that if he pulled Germany to his side, then all of Europe would prostrate itself. But Germany is a toughie. I suggested through Poland :) Putin knows Germany well, he needs a specialist in Poland. I would do a couple of cultural mega-projects, I would not teach students from Uganda and Mozabmik, but from Poland. Finally, he would come and sing "Jozhin with Bazhin" in all languages ​​(in Czech, Polish and German it already exists). There they sing this song from kindergarten to nursing home. The USSR really knew what a "cultural landing" is. After a cultural exchange, you can think about the economy. Water sharpens a stone.

                        But BRIC does not need to be cast. Do not throw anything at all.
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                        Quote: zczczc
                        Europe is untenable until it is united.

                        Well, it's you in vain, before the EU, Greece was in better shape than now. The EU approached the macroeconomics of countries in a unified manner, not taking into account either the characteristics of agriculture, production or mentality. As a result, the EU is bursting at the seams, unable to withstand this approach. And all because seven babysitters have a child without an eye ...
                        I don’t think that it is possible to unite so many different cultures in a single whole, because even they are “Europe”. but so different ...

                        Quote: zczczc
                        Putin thought that if he pulled Germany to his side, then all of Europe would prostrate itself.
                        Germany, of course, is a significant member of the EU, but France and the UK (especially the latter) do not seem to like us))).
                        This is their sphere of influence and we will not move there. You can fight, but most of all idle. Proud Britons will never accept the "Russian serf" on equal terms. Unless there is an opportunity to fuck ... And something not hotz they deliver such pleasure.
                        Well, pooh on them.
  • zczczc
    zczczc 21 October 2011 15: 41 New
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    Ion coaelung, the goal is to set everyone against us. So that when NATO will trample on us, their peoples supported.
    1. svvaulsh
      svvaulsh 21 October 2011 16: 52 New
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      Well, according to Darwin, we all came out of Africa, after we climbed off a tree and picked up a stick. smile
      1. datur 22 October 2011 05: 03 New
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        not, wink Americans were the first to pick up a can of Coke
    2. Ion coaelung
      Ion coaelung 22 October 2011 09: 53 New
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      And they set us up against them, and against each other. I do not understand that, Russia has little power and influence to oppose Western propaganda? And then she goes there unhindered, although it could be the other way around. It is clear that after the collapse it was not before that, but now there are opportunities! Thank you about Kalash, cheer up!
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        zczczc 24 October 2011 16: 11 New
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        Ion coaelung, because the goals of Russia and the elites are multidirectional. Elites have been knocking soil out from under us since the XNUMXth century. We will only somehow restore it, as they prepare us a new test.
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          Ion coaelung 24 October 2011 23: 14 New
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          Well, thank them for that! We are only improving from this, well, at least those who understand this whole situation. It is a pity that many all the same have already fallen for a bait, somewhere their plans are being realized, but we people (our kind) are fools (du-double, ra-light, enlightenment) and we smell the truth when we know the soul, intuitively we know what and how! And the West only gained experience in set-ups, dirty tricks and villains, but I forgot how to solve the assigned tasks. Is this mechanism self-destructing? Is the end of the world dark? We are bright, in this case we are waiting for the end of darkness! Az of God I Know the Verb Good is Life!
  • lightforcer
    lightforcer 21 October 2011 11: 23 New
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    But what about bears and balalaikas?
  • Denis 21 October 2011 11: 24 New
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    but would they go ...?
    let them shout what they want, the only trouble is that home-grown "minds" voiced them diligently practicing handouts
  • Ivan Krasov
    Ivan Krasov 21 October 2011 11: 47 New
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    All these myths and others were successfully used by the revolutionary part of the Russian intelligentsia to rock the political system. Except as "drunk and lapotnoy" Russia, they did not call. Some of those distant myths are still used today to show that not everything is bad with us right now. Theft today is a terrible disaster, but they say they stole before. But is it really so stolen on such a scale? But he said that they had stolen before and - he justified himself, but this is not necessary. Also with drunkenness. Yes, we drank before, but we'll see how much and be surprised. Young people did not drink at all until they were of childbearing age, and women who drink were an insignificant minority. But the myth is created and it is used in different ways at the right time.
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      Right! No one in 200 years has done Russia more harm than the Russian intelligentsia. Living here and doing nothing, they went abroad loudly moaning about the unfortunate, clogged, oppressed Russian people. When this is fooling ourselves, they say we're intellectuals, and over there ... no, no left and lower ... yeah, they are our poor people. You cannot imagine how the soul hurts for it ... here, in Lausanne, especially.
  • VALENOK
    VALENOK 21 October 2011 11: 57 New
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    As for drunkenness in Russia, here's a fact for you, if anyone else doesn’t know, vodka in Russia was considered spring water infused with medicinal herbs and was given to heroes who undermined their health in battle. And now with what medicine we are being treated, and why they gave him such a name, it becomes clear.
  • Petrol 21 October 2011 12: 38 New
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    without snobbery, just read and think http://www.ldo.su/t68528.html or http://www.istorya.ru/forum/?showtopic=2309
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      On the second link - the author smoothly walks and sleep hard.
      Silently about the unwashed Europeans, he claims that the “expression“ binding from human skin ”is more likely to cause associations only with propaganda stories like“ lampshades made of leather in Buchenwald ”and“ soap from Jews. ”But if you look at the notorious lampshades nowhere due to their absence, then the prototypes of this "libel" are quite real. "It's a pity I registered in vain, I so wanted to give the moral kick to the author ...
      But that in Europe and their traditions - that's right ..
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        Tyumen 22 October 2011 09: 51 New
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        Quote: solodova
        propaganda stories like “leather lampshades in Buchenwald” and “Jewish soaps”.


        About soap, yes, the bike, but what about the Elsa Koch collection?
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          zczczc 22 October 2011 17: 44 New
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          Tyumen35, but how is the bone church in Kostnica (Czech Republic)?

          The whole question is, what kind of philosophy will you bring to this? From my point of view, the phenomenon is unhealthy.
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          I'm afraid that the soap is true. Like about lampshades. The author, so, in between cases calls it tales ...
          http://putnik.org/articles/3824/1/Mylo
          http://www.newsland.ru/news/detail/id/99894/
          This featured in the case at the Nuremberg trials. It has been proven.
  • fellow misha 21 October 2011 12: 40 New
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    The correct article, the main thing based on historical facts, is built up, there will be nothing for the local Pindos to cover although they have pooh on history, they will open their mouths and go and pour mud with dirt, but we are stronger because of this.

    As for drunkenness, I think people are slowly moving away from this, and the latest statistics confirm that people began to drink less, I personally haven’t been drinking beer for two years now, and my friends are also almost completely knotted so drunkenness will pass, it was such a popular reaction to stress ..
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      And there is. A little more and, it seems, the drinkers will be looked at as half-wits.
  • VALENOK
    VALENOK 21 October 2011 13: 44 New
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    An interesting thought, if we analyze the whole history starting from Russia, Russia, the USSR, then what kind of regularity appears. As soon as our homeland is attacked from outside, the country at the beginning shrinks like a spring, and then it shrinks and increases at times both territorially and by influence in world politics. wink
  • svvaulsh
    svvaulsh 21 October 2011 14: 47 New
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    Personally, I do not have any complexes about my Slavic origin. The main thing is dignity in behavior.
    1. fellow misha 21 October 2011 15: 33 New
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      What kind of complex, you need to be proud that you are Russian-Russian, even if they complex because of their Anglo-Saxon origin, the article correctly says that they are washed relatively recently, if they hadn’t taught them all, the epidemics would have been cut long ago.
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        svvaulsh 21 October 2011 16: 06 New
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        Note, I wrote "Slav", because I do not share Russian, Ukrainians and Belarusians.
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          lano agree
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        lano plus with me
  • Vyalik 21 October 2011 15: 11 New
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    More and more often it seems to me that most people start drinking from no source. They simply don’t see another way out or do not want to see. And since 100 grams in the morning and the day is free. And the article is correct, in my opinion. Can I stop and watch their rubbish about us? Good saying says "the dog barks, the wind wears." Well, all of them.
  • senya
    senya 21 October 2011 15: 22 New
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    Georgians and Armenians in the same car are normal ... both Christians ... Azer and Macaws in the same car are nonsense !!! ... Armenian genocide ... separate flies from jam .... although now in Russia Armenians behave like it’s not very ..... it will be interesting when the army is moved to Armenia, how the Macaws in Russia will swear in love and friendship to the Russians ... have they really forgotten the genocide? ...
    1. Denis 21 October 2011 16: 56 New
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      It will be interesting when the army is moved to Azerbaijan.

      can genocide be different?
      Peter 1989 or 90 year, the refugees seem to be from Sumgait (have they just crawled to Peter, and not fight back the Karabas?), Gave these poor housing at the expense of people who were marching underground and 15-20 years in the hostels waiting for metro builders
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        Yeah, and we protected their relatives and old people who were thrown into Azerbaijan for eating and saved at that time
        1. sirToad
          sirToad 22 October 2011 11: 44 New
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          and you an hour, not from the Sofrinsky brigade will be?
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      In our battalion, immediately after the withdrawal, the WMO commander was Azerbaijani, and the platoon technician was Armenian (died in January 90 in Ganja), they were friends with Afghanistan. There are exceptions in life.
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      sirToad 22 October 2011 05: 28 New
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      you are talking about the abstract and I'm talking about the real. I grew up among them. and until now, acquaintances have remained - that those that others. ceteris paribus Armenians (in the presence of a sufficient number of fellow countrymen) will not sit down with either a Georgian or Azer on one field. but if he has a choice - to deal with a Russian or Azer or Georgian - he will prefer them. so here it is!
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        Tyumen 22 October 2011 09: 54 New
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        if he has a choice - to deal with a Russian or Azer or a Georgian - he will prefer them. so here it is!

        Nothing personal just business. smile
        1. sirToad
          sirToad 22 October 2011 10: 10 New
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          yes, approximately in this context. in addition, in terms of business, these persons involved will be much more predictable for ara.
  • runway 21 October 2011 17: 23 New
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    Following the logic of the author - WE ARE GOOD, AND THEY ARE BAD ....
    Well, let's say. What's next? Can't we be friends with the bad if there are no good?
    The picture is completely different, if you agree that both they and we have enough fools. And mutual understanding must be sought among the reasonable and adequate. Samsonov definitely does not apply to such.
  • Magadan 21 October 2011 23: 56 New
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    What infuriates me most is the myth of "eternal Russian slavery." Our serfdom lasted 250 years, from the cancellation of St. George's Day (when you could go to another landowner) until St. George's Day, it was not serfdom, but the usual relations of the taxpayer and the state, they simply paid piglets and grain instead of money. In Europe, real serfdom lasted a millennium. In the West they talk about John the "Cruel" (Grozny) and his atrocities, and at that time 70 thousand ordinary tramps were hanged in England.
    Moreover, serfdom in places like the North of Russia, the Don, and everything beyond the Urals was not mentioned at all.
    One must not forget that before European serfdom there was generally slavery. We are the only country in the World (well, the Scandinavians in the same place), where slavery has never been in History at all.
    Therefore, to the remark of the Europeans or the Yankees about their love of freedom, I would immediately be bewildered by "How can you preach freedom to Russians. When did you never have freedom as such ?!" Sorry, democracy and freedom are two big differences.
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    in the picture with the huts on the left side you can’t see the cart on which they drive swipes and food
  • Aleksey42
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    Their myths are addressed to the average layman. And the average American is unlikely to distinguish Austria from Australia, so there it is quite working for itself. The West needs such an image of Russia to make it easier to explain why NATO and a huge military budget are needed. in my opinion, all comers have long been able to verify the deceit and duality of Western politics. But we need to better teach (and teach) our own history (education reform is clearly not helping), restore order in the country, eradicate alcoholism and drug addiction, and boost the economy. Culturally, our Motherland can give the world a lot. And given the growing anti-American sentiment in the world, all this will help form a positive image of Russia.
  • baluru72
    baluru72 22 October 2011 10: 47 New
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    These myths are created from one’s own fear, because, unlike democracy, Freedom scares. This is about the mentality of the West. The main thing in freedom is freedom of thought. We are still a country of philosophers. There is probably not a single country in a world where so many ideas would be generated, and where these ideas would come to fruition so little,, Paul of Japan in Soviet times wrote a children's magazine, Young Technician, and then allegedly patented their inventions. Yes, we should be glad that we are which ones are ,,, they are afraid of us because they don’t know what we can throw in different situations, we hardly miscalculate ,,, unpredictable, Nobody knew in Serbia, wondered, but made a march to the night Pristina, and they didn’t let pendos go to the secret airdrome until they took it out ,, and what frightened them was that they didn’t see how we did it ,,, were there --- and already here. Here fear comes in. I in my childhood I always thought why ,, Great ,, Silk Road? Well, thin fabric, well, beautiful ,,, I know that in Russia it was expensive, but do not appreciate It was like in Europe ,,, but everything turned out to be trite simply --- the louse Louse doesn’t live on silk. That's why silk was valued in Europe because it was never washed and incense was stained with incense ,, and in Russia it was clean Thursday every week , and they washed their hands before eating. And now they shout that we are savages?
    1. sirToad
      sirToad 22 October 2011 11: 48 New
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      about incidentally, about nashenskie magazines. here infa was about Iranian flying boats - looked at the photo - yelled. Ekranoplpan ESKA-2. his project was detailed in the magazine model designer for 1983 was. while I was writing this magazine out.
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    Here the Westerners like to remember the “great and terrible” Ivan the Terrible, during which for the entire period of his reign, and he ruled for a long time, according to historians, from 3 to 15 thousand people were executed. Peter I is also not ignored with shootings.

    Forgot to mention how the Holy Inquisition sent people to the bonfire in batches, simply suspecting witchcraft!
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      As always, they look for a mote in the prying eyes ...
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      sirToad 24 October 2011 09: 12 New
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      my friend, I didn’t say that! although, yes, he could
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        In Europe, during the Inquisition, women who weighed less than 48 kg were burnt at the stake without any worries, and indeed they didn’t stand on ceremony with free-thinking ladies. How about you?
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  • ZHORA
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    "One of these myths is the" inborn savagery "(" barbarism ") of the Russians.

    This myth is completely untenable, in order to understand it enough to analyze just a few facts. In the field of material culture, Russia was practically in no way inferior to the Western world, if it were otherwise, Russia would repeat the fate of India, or China, other civilizations, cultures of the planet, which were subjected to the aggression of the West.

    In the field of morality, spiritual culture, Russian people were higher than Westerners - this confirms the fact of the colonization of the world around them by Russians ... "

    )))))))))))))))))))))))

    This culture is especially felt in western resorts, where hotel owners have introduced a quota for Russians, and some of them are not allowed at all ...
    1. Ramses_IV 27 October 2011 06: 48 New
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      And what? In resorts, for example, the same Germans thump around the clock, the Chinese buzz like flies. And the Russians - like the most rude? Yes, the cattle also goes to resorts. But there are no less German and Chinese cattle there, believe me.
  • ZHORA
    ZHORA 25 October 2011 11: 40 New
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    Potreot
    http://lurkmore.ru/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D1%86%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BE%D1%82
  • zavesa01
    zavesa01 28 October 2011 09: 30 New
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    Slavs, Russians are sick. My mother is a Russian father, Kazakh, was born and lived before the army in Siberia now in the Far East, and what's next. The Slavs lived beyond the Urals. If for that matter it is divided into Slavs and not Slavs, then bring everything down for the Urals. I have many friends of Tatars, Bashkirs, Yakuts, Tuvans, Buryats and they are NOT Slavs. What do you always look like the west as the west or also everything that is behind the Moscow region is off the beaten path? Think about how to unite your peoples. And then, too, professors of Poland, England, Germany. Our people overseas recently to the question: "Where are you from" stopped saying what they say from Russia

    from Siberia, the Urals, Primorye on the face of the beginning of fragmentation. And you are discussing who is better to have in allies. In my opinion, in this situation, ANY idea of ​​uniting one’s peoples has the right to life. Maybe a little messy I'm sorry, not a writer.