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Kazakhstan: ukro-maydannaya rot

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The revolutionary lessons of the militant Ukrainians who collapsed the state and pursued it with reformation exercises, American-Georgian specialists and rocket and artillery fire in kindergartens, can cause, as it turned out, not only wariness, protest, disgust. They also provoke the military excitement of maydanut citizens in other, quite stable parts of the former empire, for example, in Kazakhstan.


The local opponents of Nazarbayev and Putin have long had "Maidan dreams" and dream of repeating it on peaceful Kazakhstani land. At the same time, they with sheep's delight reject even the possibility of a repetition of the bloodbath, arranged by Poroshenko and the Bandera-Nazis in the Donbas.

Well, a year ago, the Ukrainians, who destroyed production, destroyed thousands of citizens, did not expect such consequences of their revolutionary games. But now no one even in the Kremlin or the White House can predict the near future of Ukraine. But some (fortunately, an insignificant) part of Kazakhstanis wants a repetition of the Maidan in Almaty or Astana, and after and throughout the steppe republic.

The secret to repeating Maidan is as simple as a recipe for beshbarmak. The United States, losing the status of the “only global superpower”, is striving to create hotbeds of tension of any degree, the main thing is closer to the borders of Russia. In this regard, Kazakhstan, which has an enormous length of borders with the Russian Federation, a powerful resource base and an advantageous geopolitical position, has been a subject of special attention for Washington since 1991. Americans work here all the time, and their failures are most likely due to the insidious Eastern wisdom and political flair of local politicians who can learn from the mistakes of others.

And yet the maidan in Kazakhstan is prepared. And cooked according to the Ukrainian recipe. For the first time in Central Asia, “maydan Ukrainians” appeared during the first revolution in Kyrgyzstan. Instructors from the Ukrainian "Pores" trained young people, teaching them non-violent overthrow of power and invoking the experience of "the victorious orange". Now Ukrainians are teaching the Kazakhstani rebellion, and “non-violence” is no longer relevant.



It is well known that representatives of the Kazakh opposition, both in Kazakhstan and at European bases, warmly welcomed euromaidan, “condemned the Russian aggression” and often visited Kiev to exchange experience. However, if a year ago, these contacts were sporadic, then now Ukraine, or rather those who manage it from across the ocean, began preparing the Kazakh Maidan seriously.

First of all, it is noticeable by the unexpected, but evident in the eyes, activization of various Ukrainian national-cultural societies of Kazakhstan. The most zealous supporter of the coup in Kazakhstan is Denis Stadnichuk, the former director of the Ukrainian Cultural Center “Prosvita Zhetisu” in Almaty, who is known for his anti-Russian antics and cheeky statements about the leadership of the republic.

Kazakhstan: ukro-maydannaya rot

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It was he who organized the appeal of the Ukrainian public in Kazakhstan to President Nazarbayev, which was widely spread by the Kiev media, to condemn the “invasion of Russian troops into the territory of Ukraine”. After the maydanian “Prosvite” was condemned, moderating his revolutionism, he accused the Assembly of the People of Kazakhstan of political pressure on him because of his views. At present, according to available information, Stadnichuk was involved in recruiting fighters-mercenaries in Kazakhstan who are ready to fight on the side of Poroshenko’s punitive divisions. Among the handed out advances - not only cash, but also Ukrainian citizenship, and the possibility of subsequent departure to Europe.

In Pavlodar, such activities, punishable in accordance with the Criminal Code of the Republic of Kazakhstan, are carried out by the head of the Pavlodar Association of Ukrainian Culture named after him. T.G. Shevchenko, a member of the World Congress of Ukrainians, Mikhail Parips.

Now cadets, future “fighters of the Kazakhstan revolution”, are being transferred to Ukraine in groups for training. Training is supervised by the Ukrainian special services controlled by the Americans. And the “teachers” are the militants of the Right Sector and Self-Defense of Maidan, who are storing themselves from the ATO. At meetings with representatives of the Kazakh opposition, Andrei Paruby was also noticed.

More than once in Ukraine in the company of “field commanders” flashed and notable russophobes from Kazakhstan Aydar Bekbosyn and Serikzhan Mambetalin. In general, everything is ready for the export of the Ukrainian revolution.

However, the main force in the preparation of the coup is not mercenary fighters. The fact is that Kazakhstan’s society is rather strongly integrated into the Russian world, it can serve as an example of inter-ethnic solidarity and centenary traditions of Kazakh-Slavic cohabitation. The unity of society is well felt here in relation to the most important events of our common storiesFor example, the Victory Day. Therefore, the liberal-nationalist propaganda, which is supported by some media, political parties and public organizations of Kazakhstan, has become the main element in preparing public opinion for Maidan.

The most common technique is the imposition of “new Ukrainian values” on society, popularization of the leaders of the Kiev regime and their practice. So, in the republic the project "Real Ukraine" is widely promoted, which is represented by the notorious in Ukraine Olesya Yakhno; its texts are marked under the heading "Especially for Kazakhstan". The falsity of paid Ukrainian authors is well known. An example is an interview in ADAM magazine with the mayor of Lvov, Andrey Sadov, who tells Kazakhstanis about “the Russian army and tankswho are fighting against Ukrainians and killing my people ”. The most effective mayor of Ukraine, of course, does not tell the reader of Kazakhstan about how the Ukrainian artillery is tearing the children of Horlivka and Donetsk to shreds.



The Lviv mayor is also silent about the Nazi lawlessness in Kharkov and Odessa, about the atmosphere of general denunciations prevailing in Ukraine, about torture, about the robberies committed by the Ukrainian military, and they don’t ask him about it, because the ADAM magazine published in Russian in Kazakhstan This is the mouthpiece of the revolutionary Ukrainian. “Russian scare tactics in Ukraine”, “What, besides neo-Nazism, does Russia carry us?”, “Ukrainian experience for Kazakhstan” - these are the names of some articles from the collection of journal issues in just one month.



The number of cases of copying Ukrainian information and political receptions in Kazakhstan exceeds the limit. Some of the public activists and journalists (let's name them: Miras Nurmukhambetov, Gulzhan Yergaliyeva, Ali Utep, Rizada Zhakypbek, Bayan Usen, Zhanna Bota, Yermek Narymbaev, Denis Krivosheev, Maxim Bornabayev and others) are building their anti-state strategy on fabrication patterns, for example, in the same way, as for fabrication, for fabrication, for fabrication, for Maxim Bornabaev, and others. , Vilnius and Warsaw. One thing is to give them their due: they work tirelessly. Money for this work received. No wonder Michael Klichevski, the deputy head of the US diplomatic mission in Kazakhstan, travels around the republic without end.

Attempts to discredit the Eurasian Economic Union continue while popularizing “Euro-Atlantic values”. Any flaws in the construction of the EAEU are swelling to hypertrophic proportions, and “expert opinions” on the “perniciousness of the single currency” are popularized. In addition to nationalists and pseudoliberals, there are also “advanced democratic watchings” like the Kazakh-German University, whose professor Rustam Burnashev fiercely defends “the multi-vector nature of Kazakhstan as a geopolitical panacea.” The multivector Kuchma and Kuchmism are again taken as a role model ...

Even the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome by Kazakhstan’s oppositionists is presented as “Putin’s attempt to destroy Baikonur”.

Observer Maxim Borandai does not get tired to call on the people of Kazakhstan to join the European Union and even NATO. Not only calls, but also finds arguments to justify his popularizing nonsense.

As in Ukraine, in Kazakhstan this year, the object of attacks was Victory Day and its attributes. Local maydanutye accused Russia of "privatization" of the Victory, mashing the Kazakh heroes, protested against the spread of the St. George ribbon. So far, fortunately, the society responds adequately to such “Ukrainisms”. By the way, in all regional centers of Kazakhstan they collect humanitarian aid for Donbass, and the number of cars with St. George ribbons is no less than in Moscow ...

And, of course, another fad of Kazakhstani revolutionaries was “Russian separatism” and “imperialist ambitions of Russia towards Northern Kazakhstan”. The analogies with the Crimea and the Donbas are again being used, but the real reason for the Russian uprising in Ukraine, which was the direct aggression of ukrofashism and Bandera, is all silent. But so far in Kazakhstan there is neither the “Right Sector”, nor the “Tryzuba”, nor the “Patriot of Ukraine”. Until? I specify, because the Kazakh nationalists and their liberal counterparts are already talking about the need to create such organizations ...

So that? To turn Kazakhstan into a festering and crumbling Ukraine or remain a sovereign state?

A single American training manual on destabilization of the post-Soviet countries is also used in Kazakhstan. The basis of this training manual consists of methods of falsifying the historical past, filling history textbooks with new heroes, new meanings, new conclusions.

The “big wash” of the past with huge, sometimes ridiculous soap bubbles of national self-transcendence (Kazakhs are direct descendants of Chingizids; Kazakhs are the discoverers of pilaf; Kazakhs are the creators of first-class medieval culture of Central Asia, etc.) began in the 90 of the last century, but its echoes are heard today.

At the same time, however, the history of Kazakhstan was not turned into a rag by politicians who rubbed the past, as they do in Ukraine or in the Baltic States. However, the general political bias of the historians of Kazakhstan corresponds to the framework of national isolation established by Washington for the former Soviet republics, and its isolation from the large imperial space. This implies the search for supposedly forgotten heroes and pages of the past (preferably loaded with anti-Russian or anti-Soviet sense), the formation of their attractive appearance through the introduction of secondary and high school programs, the erection of monuments, the renaming of streets.

All the consequences of this policy will affect after some time, but for now the majority of people in Kazakhstan hardly identify hundreds of new names and titles. For example, in Astana and Almaty, old street names are widely used. Administrative decisions of the authorities often provoke a protest, although without result. An example is the liquidation of the monument to Maxim Gorky in one of the favorite rest areas of Almaty residents - the Park of Culture and Rest, which once bore the name of a Russian Soviet writer. People did not interfere to speak, let off steam, and then quietly dismantled the monument with promises to find another place to install it. East is a delicate matter…



Most of the Kazakhs respectfully speak of the Russian Empire, which saved them from complete annihilation by the Dzungars and contributed to the development of the nation, and of course, the Soviet Union remembers the good, nostalgia for which is noticeable in the middle and older generation today. And this is understandable: with the beginning of the development of virgin lands, the republic received a powerful impetus to development in all directions. Probably because the era of Dinmukhamed Akhmetovich Kunaev (first secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Kazakhstan in 1960-1962 and 1964-1986), which is lovingly called “our Dimash”, is considered to be a golden age ...

But everything that has happened in the history of a dramatic people or what historians argue about is transformed today by the efforts of nationalists and liberals into objects of information attacks. Favorite topics of this public are the question of voluntariness of joining to Russia the Younger Zhuz in 1731, the anti-colonial uprisings of Zholaman Tlenchiev, Makhambet Utemisov, Istaya Taimanov, Sarym Datov, the proclamation of independence of Kazakhstan in 1917 year, 1933 famine, repressions and December events 1986 hunger, reprisals and December events, the events of Kazakhstan in XNUMX year, XNUMX hunger, repressions and December events, XNUMX hunger, repressions and December events, XNUMX hunger for Kazakhstan, XNUMX hunger, repressions and December events, the proclamation of independence of Kazakhstan in XNUMX year, XNUMX hunger, reprisals and December events XNUMX Kazakhstan.


Khan of the Younger Zhuz Abulhair and his letter to Empress Anna Ioanovna

For the sake of justice, it must be said that a number of undoubtedly prominent personalities of Kazakh history (Zhangir, Bogenbai Batyr, Tauke Khan, and others) were in the past pushed, worn out, and this is widely speculated today.



As a matter of fact, the whole pre-revolutionary history of Russia, falling into the hands of nationalists and liberals, turns into the history of the colonial seizures of the predatory Russian empire. That is why the role of Russian researchers and the military in describing this region, in its economic and cultural development is often ignored, although Kazakh researchers usually use letters and documents of Russian pioneers - I. Unkovsky, V. Veliyaminova - to prove the historical significance of this or that Khan or Batyr Zernov, V. Barthold and especially Aleksei Levshin, who is called "Herodot of the Kazakh people."

And yet, on the whole, the extremes of falsification of the pre-revolutionary past of Russia, when history is turned into a caricature, from which the “ancient homeland of humanity Old-Time Ukraine” is suffering today, are not present in Kazakhstan. At least, these extremes are somehow moderated.

Another thing is the Soviet history, where with an easy presentation and with the active support of the Institute of National Remembrance of Ukraine in Kazakhstan, they are trying to exaggerate the tragedy of the 30 famine and the political repressions of those years. However, here too, the people who survived a lot do not fall into “Ukrainian hysteria”, although it is known that, as a percentage, the residents of the Kazakh Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic (the status of a union republic was 5 December 1936 of the year) suffered most in 1932-33.

The theme of the Great Patriotic War for the people of Kazakhstan is a special topic. Republic has something to be proud of. 499 Kazakhs, among them 99 Kazakhs, were awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union. Twice this title was awarded to the ground attack pilots T. Ya. Begeldinov, L. I. Beda, I. P. Pavlov, and fighter pilot S. D. Lugansky. Two girls, the Kazakhs M. Mametov and A. Moldagulov, were awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union. 110 of Kazakhstan were awarded the Order of Glory of three degrees. General Baurdzhan Momysh-uly, pilot Hiuaz Dospanov, who made 300 combat missions, sniper of the Sevastopol marines Philip Rubakho, hero of the Kursk Bulge of Kashagan Jamangaraev and many others, are remembered and honored here.


Almaty 9 May 2015 of the year


A subject of special pride is the feat of the Panfilov Division, which was formed in Almaty. The city park 28 of Panfilov’s guardsmen for Almaty residents is a cult memorial park, a shrine.


Almaty 9 May. Park and memorial 28 Panfilov


Alas, due to the efforts of other representatives of the Russian historical science, the Panfilov’s feat at the junction Dubosekovo 16 in November 1941 of the year is subject to revision and is being vulgarized. 11 June at the World Congress of the Russian Press in Moscow, the Director of the State Archives of Russia Sergey Mironenko once again doused the soldiers with mud. Earlier, 7 July 2011, an interview with Mironenko appeared in the newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda under the heading “Secrets of the State Archive”, in which he called the feat of 28 Panfilov heroes a myth, claiming that “there were no heroically fallen Panfilov heroes” .. .

The Moscow official’s speech provoked a fierce protest from Almaty residents, and on June 12 of this year a group of citizens led by Mansur Moldakulov held a rally in honor of “our grandfathers-Panfilovites” at the Glory Memorial. Moldakulov said: “This division was formed here in Kazakhstan and fraternal Kyrgyzstan! And I, as a person whose grandfather died in this hell of War, populist statements of this kind are very much hurt and insulted! Personally ... Even if this person is three times the director of the Archive ... Therefore, today we, ordinary Almaty residents, laid flowers at the monument to our Panfilov heroes in our beloved Park! They, too, were leaving the front from Almaty, and their feat will always be in our hearts! We smiled! They smiled in spite of such pseudo-professors- "grave-diggers" suffering from flatulence. OUR POWER IN UNITY! “UATYMYZ BIRLIKTE!”


Almaty Monument to Alia Moldagulova and Manshuk Mametova


The Great Patriotic War and the Great Victory are vigorously defamed (especially in the jubilee 2015 year) and the “Sorosyaty”, these fed by Western grants “seekers of democracy and objectivity”. The ADAM magazine (#10 2015), already published in Kazakhstan by the national-liberal horn, publishes an article by Maxim Boranbayev “How Putin appropriated the Great Victory”. The celebration of Victory is “another springboard in the political baiga of the President of Russia (Baiga is a popular type of horse racing with Turkic peoples. - A.U.),” Boranbayev is indignant. Examples of the "privatization" of Putin, Russia and the Russians of the feat of all Soviet people have nowhere to take, but he is trying to assure his Kazakhstani readers that the Moscow parade has turned into a "diplomatic and political breakthrough of the Kremlin." Like, the leaders of the leading countries of the world did not come to Moscow. At the same time, the paid-in scribbler doesn’t notice among the guests of Putin the leaders of China and India, and Nazarbayev represented not the smallest state in the world on Red Square in Moscow. But the theses on the "annexation" of the Crimea in the Boranbayev article on Victory are more than enough ...



The Kazakh packers are armed with a vivid example of the use of interviews of veterans, where with crafty questions they push the old man to statements that, after dressing in the "necessary" wording, are cunning schlokpery. Here comes the interview with 90-year-old war hero, Air Force Sergeant Bibinur Tynysbekova with the title “Our authorities are trading Victory.”



The heroes of the Great Patriotic War tirelessly try to oppose “national heroes” from the opposite side of the front, like one of the creators of the Nazi Turkestan Legion, Mustafa Shokay, whose name has already been given the streets about which the films were shot, and books written. Fortunately, in Kazakhstan such examples are negligible compared to the Baltic states, Ukraine, Moldova and even Georgia.

However, those who hate the common feat of all the peoples of the Soviet Union are ready to dig the ground in search of "informational reasons." Almost every year, the Kazakh side throws up the victory of the Victory Banner on the Reichstag, which, according to the local version, was set by the commander of the reconnaissance platoon of the 30 rifle regiment of the 1945 rifle division Lieutenant Rakhimzhan Koshkarbayev and private Gregory Bulatt, Grigory Bulat, and the private ones. the title of Hero of the Soviet Union, but, unfortunately, did not receive this award.

Alas, this year Kazakhstan joined the states in which the campaign against the St. George ribbon was launched. One of the most ardent initiators of this campaign, Ali Utep, said: “The ribbon of St. George is imperial symbolism, a scandalous bust, spitting in the face of our community. The symbol of colonial Russia suddenly became a symbol of the Great Patriotic War, the treacherous Soviet Union, from which only the Holodomor and the Gulag were remembered. ”

Creatures with such a flawed memory suggested wearing ribbons with the colors of national flags on the holiday, and in some local administrations in Kazakhstan an order was issued about the inadmissibility of using the St. George ribbon. With particular pleasure, opponents of the St. George Ribbon noted that Nursultan Nazarbayev did not attach it at a parade in Moscow.

And yet the willows and boranbayevs in Kazakhstan are in a clear minority. Russians should know that thousands of cars in the cities of Kazakhstan are decorated with Victory ribbons, that thousands and multinational actions of the Immortal Regiment are taking place here, that even in the torrential 9 of May few people left the holiday in the 28 Almaty park of the Panfilov heroes. The memory of the past is still stronger than the "dissenting opinion" of the Lilliputians evil in their impotence ...

Not so long ago, the world media circled news that Poroshenko invited former British Prime Minister Anthony Charles Linton Blair to join the Consultative International Reform Council in Ukraine.

Blair, of course, did not refuse, and even held talks with the pastor-president, at which the importance of reforms in Ukraine and the “Russian aggression” were discussed. On the whole, it turned out to be amusing, since Tony Blair has been at the ration of Kazakhstan since 2011, being the official adviser to Nursultan Nazarbayev. At the same time, according to the official version of The Daily Telegraph, the former prime minister will receive about 8 million pounds sterling for his work in Kazakhstan. But Poroshenko can pay only with its chocolates ...

However, we are not about Poroshenko. We are about those who, in addition to Blair, are working today with Nursultan Nazarbayev on the role of consilieri. (Consileri [ital. Consigliere] - family counselor, a person whom the don can trust and whose advice he hears. He serves as an intermediary in resolving controversial issues, acts as an intermediary between don and bribed political, trade union or judicial figures or acts as a family representative at meetings with other families. Consilers, as a rule, have a legitimate business, for example, law practice or work as a stockbroker).

The history of the use of foreign brains in Kazakhstan is, of course, connected with the Americans. And for Kazakhstan, this story had a sad end.



In 1992, in the closest entourage of Nursultan Abishevich, a certain James Giffen appeared, an adviser with a focus on oil production. As it turned out later, Giffen had a commission and fee agreement with the New York bank Mercator Corp. All oil companies that were trying to work in Kazakhstan faced Giffen, and the case ended with a 20 billion deal with Chevron, which resulted in the American company receiving half of the shares of the giant Tengiz field in western Kazakhstan.

In 2003, when Giffen was arrested in the United States, the so-called "Kazakhgate" struck. The press leaked information, compromising Nazarbayev. The image of the Kazakh president was seriously injured then.

And what about Giffen? And he, as the Kazakh oppositionist Serikbolsyn Abdildin assures, was a CIA agent, and a delicate case for Washington that had lasted for many years was hushed up, but Giffen was found guilty of petty tax evasion. Actually justified.

Something similar happened to a lower-ranking American adviser - Brian Williams III, the former manager of the oil company Mobil.

After that, Nazarbayev began recruiting Englishmen, who from the 19th century have the richest experience of the “Big Game” in this part of the world. Apparently, the “Big Game” continues today.

So, in the 2011 year, former British Prime Minister went to serve Nazarbayev. A part of Kazakhstan experts highly appreciated this step, a part - with bewilderment, because Tony Blair is a man, certainly an extraordinary one, but he cannot boast with special economic results. The official version of his appearance as an adviser to Nazarbayev was as follows: “This will help increase the investment attractiveness of the republic ... since in the era of globalization, attracting experienced foreign consultants is a generally accepted world practice.”

Aidos Sarym, who in Kazakhstan is called the “court nationalist,” insisted that advice from Blair would increase Western interest in Kazakhstan. However, in all likelihood, it was the other way around: Blair’s invitation was a testament to Nazarbayev’s interest in the West, giving Kazakhstan a significant role in its geopolitical games.

European and American media for the most part describe Kazakhstan as an almost totalitarian state where they violate an infinite number of rights and freedoms. How such descriptions end is well known.

Nazarbayev understands this and is trying to play his game, although it should not be forgotten that among the Blair’s clients was the Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi who was brutally murdered with the help of Great Britain, France and the United States. The name of the program Blair directs in Kazakhstan, “Path to Europe”, is also alarming. What is this path, we see today in Ukraine.

And, of course, they cannot but be disturbed by the words of former adviser to the President of Kazakhstan, Yermukhamet Yertysbayev (now the Ambassador of Kazakhstan to Georgia), who once noted that "Blair will advise Kazakhstan not only on economic, but also on political issues." As Yertysbayev hinted, it could even be a question of the “political modernization” of Kazakhstan.

A curious configuration emerged: Nazarbayev invites British advisors, while in Britain itself is the center of the Kazakh opposition, represented primarily by Mukhtar Ablyazov (arrested in France in 2013 year).

At the same time, Tony Blair, as reported by the Kazakh media, is going to publish the book "Kazakhstan trend: from totalitarianism to a democratic and legal state." Also interesting.

Blair himself is only the tip of a British iceberg floating in Kazakhstan. The list of other persons will make it clear how thoroughly the British have settled here.


Richard Evans


So first of all this is Sir Richard Harry Evans - a former official in the service of Her Majesty and a businessman. Evans has a good experience in Asia. In Kazakhstan, he is from 1992 of the year and, as is believed here, is the real founder of Kazakhstan's airline Air Astana. Evans has long represented in the republic the interests of BAE Systems plc, whose executive director he was in 1998-2004. BAE Systems plc is a British defense company with interests in the aerospace industry, in the field of weapons and information security. The company is firmly entrenched in Kazakhstan, beating out defense orders for itself, for example, on upgrading the Kazakhstan air defense system, which, as is known, is integrated with the Russian system.

Hard to work Evans rushing like a bulldozer. In 2008, at the personal request of Nazarbayev, he was elected independent director of the National Welfare Fund “Samruk-Kazyna”! Now many Western companies are consulting with Evans before “entering Kazakhstan”. Among the latest examples of successful negotiations are the launch of the EADS (European Aerospace and Defense Concern) activities in Kazakhstan and Finmecanica, Italy’s largest engineering holding, in Kazakhstan.


Peter Benjamin Mandelson


The next character in the cohort of the British people who mastered Kazakhstan is Baron Peter Benjamin Mandelson, a former European Commissar for Foreign Trade and a defendant in major corruption scandals in his homeland (in particular, the Yachtgate scandal with Oleg Deripaska is associated with the name of Mandelson).

Mandelson is a member of the Bilderberg club and the Lord Chairman of the Privy Council, including advisors to Her Majesty the Queen of Great Britain. Mandelson gives his advice now in Kazakhstan, then in Ukraine. In Ukraine, by the way, the baron has already presented his views on the modernization of Ukrainian trade. In Kazakhstan, Mandelson is acting more cautiously.



Alister Campbell


Next on the list is Alistair Campbell, former head of public relations in Downing Street, 10 and former adviser to Prime Minister Tony Blair. Campbell is considered the strongest political strategist in the UK. He is engaged in "corporate consulting" and lobbying of some energy companies in Kazakhstan. Alistair Campbell is a classic example of a British politician who delivers a fatal blow to the enemy, while continuing to smile at him friendly.

Has been to Kazakhstan and Tim Allan, a former Campbell deputy and a PR specialist.


Jonathan Powell


Another figure is Jonathan Powell, the former head of the office of Tony Blair, and now his adviser. Powell is directly related to the special services. As the key person in the administration of Prime Minister Blair, Powell tried to smooth over the scandal with “spy stones” (the FSB conducted an operational survey of the work of British spies with containers in the form of stones), which marked the largest failure of the British special services over the half century.

It is difficult to assume that this solid British team performs in Kazakhstan tasks related to the development of the country - a member of the Eurasian Economic Union.

Nursultan Nazarbayev proved loyalty to the country's strategic course towards Eurasian integration. He understands and more than once stated that the West sees Kazakhstan as a banana republic and a storehouse of raw materials. However, like most politicians, he fears the West and therefore is overgrown with numerous consileries.

Of course, acting in Kazakhstan, the British will not copy the bulldozer tactics of the Americans, who, through NGOs, have already tried to arrange for Nazarbayev’s Maidan in Zhanaozen, and today they are cheating in Yerevan. How England acted in the 19th century, sending advisers such as Connolly or Burns to these lands, as it does today. This is a work designed for more than one year, and London hopes that it will bear fruit.



Sarah and Nursultan Nazarbayev and James Giffen

Here the main thing is to enter into trust, win over, and then “advise”, “lobby”, “promote”. Prior to Kazakhstan, Blair worked with Muammar Gaddafi, helping him choose business partners like the megabanks Goldman Sachs, HBSC, Societe Generale and JP Morgan, of which Blair is a freelancer. As a result, Libya collapsed, the National Fund of Libya was sucked, and Gaddafi was torn to pieces. One of the world's largest oil players, the British removed from the game at least fifty years.

And let's not forget that, having flooded Kazakhstan with VIP advisers, England does not stop the information war with the Nazarbayev regime, portraying the President of Kazakhstan as a persecutor of freedom, equality and democracy.

Of course, Nazarbayev is a strong politician. It does not bend. However, the Americans have the habit of bending, but the British work differently - they “love” and “advise”.
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  1. Islander
    Islander 4 July 2015 14: 58
    +32
    And yet the willows and boranbayevs in Kazakhstan are in a clear minority. Russians should know that thousands of cars in the cities of Kazakhstan are decorated with Victory ribbons, that thousands and multinational actions of the Immortal Regiment are taking place here, that even in the torrential 9 of May few people left the holiday in the 28 Almaty park of the Panfilov heroes. The memory of the past is still stronger than the "dissenting opinion" of the Lilliputians evil in their impotence ...

    good


    Nazarbayev, of course, is old, but his lobby is strong. And certainly a successor was prepared for him.

    In general, to identify and deport the instigators in the United States. Let them apply their knowledge in Fashington.

    And who wants the European integration - let them go to Ukraine. Suitcase-station-maidan.
    1. Civil
      Civil 4 July 2015 15: 10
      +39
      Kazakhstan will be reeling 100%
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 4 July 2015 19: 20
        +16
        Quote: Civil
        Kazakhstan will be reeling 100%

        The whole problem of Kazakhstan, and Belarus, too, is the closure of power to one person. In countries there is no worthy change of government. That's how it turns out as soon as the government begins to play democracy, the country immediately declines. In every sense, they know how to promise.
        1. smsk
          smsk 5 July 2015 14: 04
          +8
          This is a problem not only in Kazakhstan and Belarus, there is no parliamentary republic in the former union, this requires time and a strong leader on the initial path. I am confident in the correctness of the chosen policy of our leader.
          1. Angry orc
            Angry orc 6 July 2015 20: 02
            +2
            Unfortunately, the situation in Kazakhstan and in Russia is similar in this regard, we also have a lot of traitors working overseas, and until we clean up this scum and show an example to neighboring countries, the situation will only get worse.
            1. Igor Ovcharov
              Igor Ovcharov 10 July 2017 06: 39
              0
              And the reason is as simple as a door! laughing
              A leader who is deprived of receiving feedback (criticism) from the people cannot manage the country in a quality manner. This is the same as driving a blind car (vision will play the role of feedback for it).
              And the lack of constructive criticism and the leader’s encirclement with politicians that give out only good ear news leads to a slide into tyranny. What we can observe in many examples, in different parts of the world, in different countries. This is an axiom! bully
      2. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder 4 July 2015 22: 42
        +6
        Quote: Civil
        Kazakhstan will be reeling 100%


        They will be beaten up to pick up the shuttlers, the mentality is different, we nomads, first they will euthanize everyone and then they will ask - what was it?
        1. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 5 July 2015 09: 15
          +2
          They work on it, and work tightly, do not spare any resources. But counter-work is not yet visible ... This is alarming.
          1. Tollann
            Tollann 6 July 2015 00: 26
            +1
            those who work on it, they see. and they smell ... The KNB is trying. mattress covers recruit youth, and the KNB instructs. I experienced it about 10 years ago. and Americans are recruited competently. different pretexts ... starting with democracy, the nationalization of resource-mining enterprises, etc. but someone just bash. and Nurik needs to drive these Bllers with the Mandelssohn ... to the Mandel. thank you for the tough policy. he would be friends with Vovchik stronger ...
            1. Private Starley
              Private Starley 6 July 2015 09: 11
              0
              You know, there’s such a good saying: Friends need to be kept close, and enemies even closer repeat
      3. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 5 July 2015 05: 23
        +9
        Quote: Civil
        Kazakhstan will be reeling 100%


        Stagger? Eh, no ... Derbanit will be on all "vectors" well-known to all Baboons and others. Call girls are engaged in "multi-vector politics", I apologize for the comparison. You guys from Kazakhstan, decide - "here" or "tama". So far, your President has been good at extinguishing the idiots. So ? Hmmm, the question ... At least, an example in front of your eyes, how not to do - ukrein. WELL, HOW DOES NO ONE IN THIS WORLD UNDERSTAND THE WORLD - well, Russia doesn't need NEW OLD and completely new territories? To put things in order on their own. The Russian Empire had practically no colonies. And we did not rob anyone, unlike the Naglo-Saxons. They are able to feed themselves. Do you know what is the reason for all the recent crises? Western rams want to continue to live well as before, and their governments can no longer provide the level of their former life - there are no more Papuans on the planet, who can be robbed with impunity ... And then some wild Russia with such resources, but periodically hits the insolent in the face ... Inevitably, you will start writing with boiling water. So think before the start of the Maidan, Kazakh guys. Thirty western pieces of silver glory alone can bring a dubious centuries-old, but certainly not peace of mind in this life ...
      4. WKS
        WKS 5 July 2015 10: 47
        +1
        The only question is how long will they endure? It's time and power to apply.
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 4 July 2015 15: 15
      +5
      Quote: Islander
      but his lobby is strong.

      not so very at least two coup attempts would be
      1. demon13051980
        demon13051980 4 July 2015 15: 44
        +12
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        Quote: Islander
        but his lobby is strong.

        not so very at least two coup attempts would be
        In December 2011, on the day of the 20th anniversary of the independence of the Republic of Kazakhstan in Western Kazakhstan, the city of oil workers Zhanaozen, the pro-American opposition organized riots, which killed 3 police officers. However, the armed forces of the Ministry of Defense and the internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs were introduced into the region. In the suppression of the riots, soldiers and officers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs-MO used military weapons, as a result of which 15 to 50 people were killed.
        1. Will
          Will 4 July 2015 17: 56
          +7
          50 is not five thousand!
        2. kuz363
          kuz363 4 July 2015 18: 30
          +13
          These young men on a holiday, where a lot of citizens gathered, began to trash the site with the orchestra, to beat the small policemen who were without weapons and watched the order. Then they began to set fire to buildings and smash ATMs. also tried to rob stores with household appliances and office equipment. Shopkeepers with sellers and guards occupied the defense in the shops and did not sleep even at night. Under the USSR, this was called banditry and the most stringent measures were applied. It is good that the authorities responded promptly. The troops quickly entered there, including marines. Blocked the roads for entry and exit. Citizens in the regional center of Aktau demanded that a state of emergency also be introduced, because they were afraid of pogroms. New Uzen is only 145 km away. Fortunately, nothing happened.
    3. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 4 July 2015 15: 41
      +15
      Quote: Islander
      And certainly a successor was prepared for him.

      Of course, it’s better for Nazarbayev to stop this at the root, and sooner or later it can become a problem.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 4 July 2015 16: 46
        +32
        Recently, a scandalous article about Kazakhstan was published in the German edition of Welt. They claim that the National Academy of Sciences bribes all the ex-leaders of the EU and created a group of influence. There Schroeder, Blair, Chirac, and so on. They acted through a lawyer (I don't remember his last name, Swiss or something). The rate of 300 euros, if the "task" was not completed, it dropped sharply. And it consisted in creating a positive image in the EU, so as not to pour slop in the media and naturally business. Musaev, Aliev, Ablyazov, Khrapunov, etc. all these "runners" suffered in one way or another. It turns out that they have their own NGOs (NGOs), and NAS them their own group of influence. laughing ... "With whom you will lead from that and you will gain."
        And nat. I would suggest using ribbons on national holidays. We have Astana Day (the day of the capital), read the birthday of NAS, just right. Today, Russia-24 in the transmission of the Formula of Power in honor of his birthday. there will be an interview (in Moscow at 17-20).
        And the NAS did not hire anyone, but did not consult with anyone (Lee Kuan Yew - the author of the Singaporean economic miracle, for example) about the economy. By training, the metallurgist had to transfer everything to market rails. It’s probably early to take the results, but I think the same NSA (Assembl. People. Kazakhstan) will not allow us to kindle the Maidan.
        Honestly, I haven't even heard these "oppositionists". I know the Russians better, but here it is ... not serious. Basically, the opposition in Kazakhstan is either retirees, or created "tame", well, former tough ones meet, the communists can still be found somewhere. And so the entire parliament - Nur Otan (analogue of United Russia) without 2-3 seats. In fact, it turned out that one such National Academy of Sciences is better than five presidents of democratic Ukraine. He will sit out the crisis in Ukraine, and then he will find a replacement and will "supervise" as Elbasy. He has already worked out an economic program for two future presidents. Polit. vector created - the EAEU. Security - CSTO. hi
        1. Talgat
          Talgat 4 July 2015 20: 05
          +37
          Kazakhs were and will remain with Russia - it does not matter in the form of the EAEU or the USSR

          t to

          1) Common Past and History (from Alexander Nevsky and Attila to the Great Patriotic War)

          2) Language - the Russian language and culture have not been a monopoly of "Russians" for a long time, since we, Kazakhs, are "bicultural" - we grew up on this and their "owners" are also in full measure, like other peoples of Eurasia -

          3) Geopolitics - Gumilyov very vividly explained. why for thousands of years all Eurasian peoples regularly united together against the Chinese or against Europe - this is fate - we are not China and not Europe and the Arab world - we are the union of the great steppe and Orthodox Slavs and Eurasia is our land (all - not just Kazakhstan)

          I will not talk about the thousand-kilometer border and mutual penetration - it’s just silly to put up artificial barriers here - the borders need to be strengthened

          I am sure that with the postponement of the elections, the National Academy of Sciences has outplayed amers and all these NGOs NGOs with the opposition - and our opposition is generally "lowered" to the plinth
          1. Agarkov Vitaliy
            Agarkov Vitaliy 4 July 2015 20: 22
            +9
            Quote: Talgat

            I am sure that with the postponement of the elections, the National Academy of Sciences has outplayed amers and all these NGOs NGOs with the opposition - and our opposition is generally "lowered" to the plinth

            So they are furious now. Dreaming Maidan we stir up.
            1. Talgat
              Talgat 4 July 2015 20: 35
              +13
              It was infa that the Americans brought 150 tons of "parcels" to Kyrgyzstan by diplomatic post

              They say the dollars are small for the "Maidan"

              But still I think that it is not for us - they are already "disappointed" in us - they are not fools either - they have a "space echelon" and everything that needs to be listened to everyone they see - the turnout was not "drawn for 90%" "but it looks like real - people really went to vote for NAS - and at my work - I talk with friends and relatives

              People didn’t even vote for ANAS, but for stability and for the course of the country in general

              So I think they will hit all the same not with us and not through our "liberals - lickers of the West" - they are too insignificant - a much more formidable force in KZ is the preachers of the Wahhabists (especially in prisons) - and the "Maidan" can hit the Kyrgyz first well, igil with the wahabists in Central Asia is also a factor
              1. Agarkov Vitaliy
                Agarkov Vitaliy 4 July 2015 21: 01
                +18
                Yes. I also went to the polls with my family. Previously, it was somehow passive in relation to this. I thought: "and so without me they will choose." But after the Maidan in Ukraine, after everything that the junta had done, I decided not to let it go. And he came to the polls.
                Agree with you. I voted for stability. Because at such a time of change, you need a strong leader at the head of state. But if Kyrgyzstan is set on fire, then this is not at all a joy to me. Taraz is nearby.
        2. Igor Ovcharov
          Igor Ovcharov 10 July 2017 06: 49
          0
          As Comrade Sukhov said: The East is a delicate matter! love
      2. dorz
        dorz 4 July 2015 16: 49
        +18
        You also need to understand that Kazakhstan borders not only with Russia, but also with China, which is actively promoting its interests and the presence of amers in Kazakhstan, at hand, they also do not want.
        1. demon13051980
          demon13051980 4 July 2015 17: 04
          +21
          Quote: dorz
          You also need to understand that Kazakhstan borders not only with Russia, but also with China
          As the old Kazakh proverb says: “It is better to be with a red Russian than with a black Chinese.” The great Kazakh poet Abai Kunanbaev spoke and bequeathed to the Kazakhs to be friends with Russia, and that Russia is the only way for Kazakhstan to the light.
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          2. siberalt
            siberalt 4 July 2015 22: 46
            +7
            The Ukrainian epic will ever end. And this will be an object lesson for both Kazakhstan and Belarus. We cannot go anywhere from each other. And all this is "childhood growing pains". Nothing, we will survive.
        2. Kasym
          Kasym 4 July 2015 17: 18
          +35
          dorz. You probably do not know well there that Kazakhstan contributed to the rapprochement between Russia and China. Here's a fact. NAS met with the leaders of China and Russia 3 times more often than they did among themselves. Kazakhstan contributed to the creation of the SCO and the Silk Road (creation of transshipment capacities - from one pair to another - gauge - on Khorgos and Druzhba. Container train "Saule" Western China - Western Europe since 2011). Kazakhstan has been the founder of the bank since the establishment of AIIB. China buys 50% of Kazakhstani uranium, and we built 2 gas pipelines there (3 are under construction) and 1 oil pipeline (70% of the capacity of which was transferred to RosNeft at a very big request, and from the next year and 100%; we plan to double its capacity from 2 mil. to 10 million tons). A year later, Kazakhstan offers to pump Russian gas to China and is one of the most reliable suppliers and transit countries of energy resources (it has never shut down gas and oil pipelines from Central Asia).
          Astana is very interested in good relations between the Russian Federation and China - this is obvious for the Kazakhstani. Russia - security and the economy, China - trade and long-term loans. All this combines very well, so the interest in the FRIENDSHIP of the two great neighbors is obvious - we are vitally interested in this and will only contribute to this. hi
          1. Styx
            Styx 4 July 2015 18: 12
            +21
            and it was Kazakhstan that contributed to the reincarnation of the USSR, albeit in a truncated form, but still with a tendency towards its fullest revival. And also Belarus (although to a lesser extent, they are now themselves as a minISSR laughing ) Nazarbayev managed to maintain this idea of ​​unity and push it to life. I bow to him for this!
            1. rosarioagro
              rosarioagro 5 July 2015 07: 29
              -1
              Quote: Styx
              and it was Kazakhstan that contributed to the reincarnation of the USSR, albeit in a truncated form, but still with a tendency towards its fullest revival.

              Well, what did you see in the USSR reincarnated, in the absence of customs? So in the European Union it’s the same thing, but that doesn’t mean that the USSR has revived there, although in some countries they’re doing better experiments, you’ll be amazed
              1. Styx
                Styx 5 July 2015 10: 13
                +2
                this is not with us as in the EU, but in the EU they are trying to do a lot of what happened during the USSR! And one friendly rhetoric is expensive! You look, and again we will be one country. And I didn’t unsubscribe that the USSR was reborn like that, but much contributes to this and is moving towards that. Pend.ostan witness to that, will not let us lie, sales in the revisionists recorded us laughing wink

                "In the beginning there was a word (read" IDEA " wink )"
            2. Private Starley
              Private Starley 6 July 2015 09: 33
              0
              Here, and even with the collapse of the union, no one asked Kazakhstan anything, but that was all before the fact ... And under the circumstances, I had to get out as soon as possible. And then all the abomination from the west climbed into the appendage, they started to tear the country as soon as possible, enterprises of republican significance were destroyed by all means available to them. Much is now in decline, but not everyone has been razed to the ground, as they say there would be bones, the meat will grow ...
          2. sasha.28blaga
            sasha.28blaga 6 July 2015 07: 01
            0
            Kazakhstanis have always "differed in intelligence and ingenuity (words from the cartoon known to everyone)" from other "Asian brothers"
    4. Russian063
      Russian063 4 July 2015 19: 19
      +12
      I would like to recommend to everyone - do not meddle in the internal affairs of a neighboring state. And a request to the Kazakh brothers - do not repeat the Ukrainian horror .. do not allow bloodshed ... Do not allow war. In Kazakhstan, there are smart people .. who needs it - everyone understands where the legs grow from.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 4 July 2015 19: 32
        +7
        Quote: Russian063
        I would like to recommend to everyone - do not meddle in the internal affairs of a neighboring state.

        the problem is that domestic spruces of neighboring states very often become a headache for Russia
  2. tanit
    tanit 4 July 2015 15: 08
    +22
    The Libyan scenario in Kazakhstan has already failed. I then smiled sadly - "like I am with all my heart for Gaddafi, but in Zhaineosan, not that, there, oh there" .... And there was something that is in Libya. But it's unfortunate. As long as there is Nazarbayev - do not care about all the terrible women (and mind you, beautiful, something, do not go into "opposition")
    1. Styx
      Styx 4 July 2015 16: 51
      +13
      Quote: tanit
      n (and mind you, something beautiful, something does not go into "opposition")

      Here is the whole cool comment, but this pearl is just golden !!!! 1000000 ++++. Aaaafigenno noticed!
  3. Tatarus
    Tatarus 4 July 2015 15: 12
    +18
    Kazakhs !!! Remember that no matter how bad you live (according to your personal feelings) now, maydaunas will bring only blood, pain, shame and destruction to your land. The one of you who really expects improvement from the maidalagan should be urgently closed in a mental hospital. And it’s better to let him fall out of the car on the road. Fatal is desired.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 4 July 2015 15: 17
      +15
      Quote: Tatarus
      Maydaunas will bring only blood, pain, shame and destruction to your land.

      the problem is that just like in Ukraine in the Republic of Kazakhstan for 25 years they have been brainwashing young people, some are already openly calling for killing
      1. Alexei
        Alexei 4 July 2015 17: 41
        +4
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        the problem is that just like in Ukraine in the Republic of Kazakhstan 25 years, the brains of youth

        The main thing is that Gennady Golovkin does not include "klitschko", although Nazarbayev supports. But after the death of the president, it may shoot in the wrong direction ...
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 4 July 2015 18: 06
          +2
          the main thing is that in RK there are no turchinovy ​​and eggs, there are easier to deal with nicknames
        2. Vishnevsky
          Vishnevsky 4 July 2015 18: 25
          0
          And what does Gennady Golovkin have to do with it?
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 4 July 2015 18: 32
            +5
            Quote: Vishnevsky
            And what does Gennady Golovkin have to do with it?

            probably at the same time
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    2. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 4 July 2015 16: 33
      +2
      Quote: Tatarus
      And it’s better to let him fall out of the car on the road.


      Two times, for sure? laughing
    3. All Christian Brothers
      All Christian Brothers 17 June 2017 17: 09
      0
      Who wants the deaths of their citizens, war, poverty, handouts of the IMF, the closure of their enterprises, the census of their history and values, hatred for each other and other charms, welcome to Ukraine ..
  4. nahalenok911
    nahalenok911 4 July 2015 15: 12
    +13
    Been to Astana. Very beautiful city. It’s a pity if the Eternal People jumps up .. I hope that his Advantages will be enough to resist extranational influence. Beautiful smart country!
  5. Dezinto
    Dezinto 4 July 2015 15: 17
    +24
    How can you see the results in Ukraine and wish yourself the same ?????

    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 4 July 2015 15: 19
      +4
      Quote: DEZINTO
      How can you see the results in Ukraine and wish yourself the same ?????

      read
      http://www.altyn-orda.kz/
      1. rf xnumx
        rf xnumx 4 July 2015 15: 43
        +19
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        read http://www.altyn-orda.kz/

        And what is this site so ... here is the answer
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 4 July 2015 15: 48
          +11
          but at the same time, the editor of the site "journalist" Serik Maleev is a citizen of the Republic of Kazakhstan, hates the Russian Federation and Russians with every fiber of his soul
          1. YGV-97219
            YGV-97219 4 July 2015 19: 11
            +5
            "What a disgusting face!"
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 4 July 2015 19: 42
              +5
              the problem is not in his erysipelas, although really erysipelas are disgusting, the problem is in the poison of his articles
        2. habalog
          habalog 5 July 2015 21: 52
          0
          Quote: vc 72019
          And what is this site so ... here is the answer


          hi Your untruth. Checked in several ways - hosting in Kazakhstan (KZ).

          As an option: [[https://www.nic.ru/whois/?query=91.201.215.201]]
    2. Agarkov Vitaliy
      Agarkov Vitaliy 4 July 2015 15: 34
      +14
      And this is already being tried for us to solve something and wish us something.
    3. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 4 July 2015 16: 37
      +7
      Who calls for it, does not care about "biomass". To seize power at any cost and stand in front of the West in a "low start" position, fill your pockets in troubled waters, and then at least the grass will not grow.
  6. Altar
    Altar 4 July 2015 15: 36
    +1
    Article is garbage.

    Yes, there is an opposition in Kazakhstan, but it is not capable of any actions that could undermine the current situation in Kazakhstan.

    It can be assumed that the article sets the stage and an excuse for a possible destabilization of the situation, according to the Ukrainian scenario. This is the only thing that at the moment can threaten stability in Kazakhstan.

    Entering Russian troops (little green men) in the northern regions of Kazakhstan. Holding on bayonets, a "referendum" on the annexation of the northern regions of Kazakhstan to Russia. Publication of the decree of the President of Russia on the recognition of the northern territories of Kazakhstan as subjects of the Russian Federation. (There were many urashniks here on the site who stated that the northern territories of Kazakhstan were "primordially" Russian).

    There are no other threats to stability in Kazakhstan.

    But it will be much worse than in Ukraine. Kazakhstan will certainly lose the great war, but much more will be shed than in Ukraine. Asian mentality. But in this case, Russia is finally isolated from the world community. And this will be unacceptable both for the Russian economy and for politics, as well as for the population of Russia.
    1. Agarkov Vitaliy
      Agarkov Vitaliy 4 July 2015 15: 42
      +27
      Well, why does Russia need it? Kazakhstan is not Ukraine for you. There is a wise president who knows with whom it is better to conclude alliances. And yet Kazakhstan does not yell at every corner "Tse Europe" or "America is with us".
      1. Altar
        Altar 4 July 2015 16: 05
        +1
        Quote: Vitaly Agarkov
        Well, why is it for Russia?


        And why did Russia need Crimea - the "primordial" Russian land.

        Quote: Vitaly Agarkov
        And yet Kazakhstan does not yell at every corner "Tse Europe" or "America is with us".


        Kazakhstan does not yell at all - there are geyrops and mattresses, and there are Bandera and fascists, and there are skinheads and nationalists.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 4 July 2015 16: 10
          +16
          Quote: Altar
          And why did Russia need Crimea - the "primordial" Russian land.

          that is, we will not perceive the opinion of the Crimeans themselves?
          Quote: Altar
          there are geyrops and mattresses, and there are Bandera and fascists, and there are skinheads and nationalists.

          what is this about ?!
          1. Altar
            Altar 4 July 2015 16: 43
            -40%
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            that is, we will not perceive the opinion of the Crimeans themselves?


            In international relations, the first thing is to comply with the agreement themselves and signed.
            The Helsinki agreements on the inviolability of the post-war borders signed by the USSR and adopted by the legal successor of Russia are violated.
            1996 Budapest Nuclear Disarmament Agreement of Ukraine. Where, in exchange for disarmament, Russia, England, France, the United States in writing guaranteed Ukraine territorial integrity, they were violated. (If Ukraine retained nuclear weapons, the current situation would not exist)
            Agreement between Ukraine and Russia on the Black Sea Fleet 2008. Where, as a separate line, Russia undertakes to respect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine, are violated.

            If the whole world follows the path of Russia, the world will plunge into a mess. 2 million Hungarians of Romanian Transylvania will require accession to Hungary. Quebec State joining France. Buryats to Mongolia, etc. That is to prevent all this from happening and the Helsinki Accords be signed.

            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            what is this about ?!


            And this is about the fact that Kazakhstan does not call Ukrainians fascists and Bandera. English and French by geyropists. Russian skinheads and chauvinists.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 4 July 2015 16: 59
              +25
              Quote: Altar
              The Helsinki agreements on the inviolability of the post-war borders signed by the USSR and adopted by the legal successor of Russia are violated.

              how? and most importantly when?
              here the collapse of the Union, the destruction of Yugoslavia is a violation of the Helsinki agreements, and the situation with the Crimea is out of place
              Quote: Altar
              1996 Budapest Nuclear Disarmament Agreement of Ukraine.

              nor an agreement but a memorandum; moreover, it has not been ratified in the Russian Federation, still have questions?
              Quote: Altar
              If the whole world follows the path of Russia, the world will plunge into a mess

              funny, this is after the collapse of Yugoslavia, the destruction of Iraq, the chaos in Libya and Syria, Afghanistan
              Quote: Altar
              2 million Hungarians of Romanian Transylvania will require accession to Hungary. Quebec State joining France. Buryats to Mongolia, etc. That is to prevent all this from happening and the Helsinki Accords be signed.

              you will be surprised but Quebec has long been demanding independence
              Buryats still live quietly, but forgive me for the Hungarians of the Romanians somehow do not care, it's their problems they want to go to Hungary, nor do they want the same problem
              Quote: Altar
              And this is about the fact that Kazakhstan does not call Ukrainians fascists and Bandera

              Well, I wouldn’t call them fascists either, they are Nazis, and as for Bandera’s
              sorry but after that who are they, Leninists stol
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              2. Altar
                Altar 4 July 2015 20: 46
                -25%
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                how? and most importantly when?
                here is the collapse of the Union, the destruction of Yugoslavia is a violation of the Helsinki Agreements,


                The USSR collapsed due to the failure of the ideology of communism. What did someone introduce troops, bomb?
                Administrative borders also fell under Helsinki. When the power of the communists in Yugoslavia collapsed, which forcibly restrained the republics, Montenegro, Bosnia, Slovenia, Croatia, Macedonia wanted to live independently. Milosevic wanted to keep them by force and unleashed a war. The West has stopped the war. And now all these states live a normal life. And Serbia asks in the EU.

                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                nor an agreement but a memorandum; moreover, it has not been ratified in the Russian Federation, still have questions?


                If you didn’t ratify, then why did you accept Ukrainian nuclear missiles?

                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                you will be surprised but Quebec has long been demanding independence


                But France does not send troops to Quebec.

                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                Well, I wouldn’t call them fascists either, they are Nazis, and as for Bandera’s
                sorry but after that who are they, Leninists stol


                You should read Yevpatiy Kolovrat, Denis Davydov, General Karbyshev who fought against the Golden Horde, French, German invaders. So why not let others do the same.
                Until 2 MB, Bandera fought against the Polish administration in western Ukraine. The Polish authorities seized and sentenced to execution replaced by life imprisonment. After the occupation of Poland by the Germans, Bandera was released. In 1940, together with his associates, Bandera wanted to declare independence of Ukraine. The Germans was captured and imprisoned in a concentration camp Sachsenhausen. Came out of there in 1944. And Bandera continued the struggle for the independence of Ukraine, first from Poland, then from the Nazis and then from the Communists. I emphasize not against the Russian people, but against the power of the Communists.
                In the same way, here many consider the leader of the Kazakh uprising against tsarism Kenesary Kasymov a bandit, identifying himself with the colonial autocracy. But for the Kazakhs, he is a fighter for independence.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 4 July 2015 22: 26
                  +12
                  Quote: Altar
                  The USSR collapsed due to the failure of the ideology of communism.

                  a rare stupidity, the Union collapsed because of the ambitions of the "second", and not because of ideology
                  Quote: Altar
                  Administrative borders also fell under Helsinki

                  nothing like this "...consolidation of political and territorial results of World War II... "political and not administrative

                  Quote: Altar
                  When the power of the communists in Yugoslavia collapsed, which forcibly restrained the republic

                  Does the Helsinki Agreement say anything about this? said about fixing the boundaries of ALL
                  Quote: Altar
                  If you didn’t ratify, then why did you accept Ukrainian nuclear missiles?

                  this is the 10th question, besides, specify all the same what is a memorandum
                  Quote: Altar
                  But France does not send troops to Quebec.

                  so Russia did not introduce
                  Quote: Altar
                  Until 2 MB, Bandera fought against the Polish administration in western Ukraine.

                  Yes, I sneezed what Bandera did before the Second World War or in childhood, he caught butterflies or something else, during the Second World War he collaborated with the Nazis ALL
                  Quote: Altar
                  The Germans was captured and imprisoned in a concentration camp Sachsenhausen. Came out of there in 1944. And Bandera continued the struggle for the independence of Ukraine, first from Poland, then from the Nazis and then from the Communists

                  listen to learn history and do not write nonsense, he went out to work in abwehr sat down for embezzlement
                2. QWERTY
                  QWERTY 4 July 2015 22: 46
                  +5
                  Well, in more detail, like Bandera, released by the Germans in general (i.e., the Nazis in your opinion, although they are Nazis) - fought against their liberators?
            2. Semen Semyonitch
              Semen Semyonitch 4 July 2015 17: 10
              +9
              If Ukraine retained nuclear weapons, the current situation would not exist)
              And you and I could no longer be. If the grandmother ... How would they support his combat readiness? Or so purely hypothetically?
              1. Altar
                Altar 4 July 2015 21: 40
                -12%
                Quote: Semyon Semyonich
                If Ukraine retained nuclear weapons, the current situation would not exist)
                And you and I could no longer be. If the grandmother ... How would they support his combat readiness? Or so purely hypothetically?


                The Ukrainians made these missiles for the whole Union, in the closed city of Dnepropetrovsk. Until so closed that the local football team "Dnepr" played their home international matches in other cities of Ukraine.

                And if you did it yourself, then there is no problem with the service.
                1. Karayakupovo
                  Karayakupovo 4 July 2015 22: 11
                  +3
                  Yeah. And in Votkinsk "pies" were baked for fast foods. don't la-la. Well, the most "bad" -Kazakhstan-tse is not Europa, or is your geography bad, as always? Can't tell Iraq from Iran?
                  1. Altar
                    Altar 6 July 2015 17: 47
                    -1
                    Quote: Karayakupovo
                    Yeah. And in Votkinsk "pies" were baked for fast foods. don't la-la. Well, the most "bad" -Kazakhstan-tse is not Europa, or is your geography bad, as always? Can't tell Iraq from Iran?


                    And they did in Votkinsk, but in Dnepropetrovsk they did strategic ones, such as "Satan" and others from the same series.

                    Show me where I confused Iraq with Iran. This is you a juggler. Goal for fiction is cunning.
                2. Dali
                  Dali 5 July 2015 00: 09
                  +2
                  The people, the formans !!!

                  Zaminusuyte this troll for the most reluctant, already got his demagoguery and perversion of facts. Explain to him hu hu is useless.

                  Because it is a 100% enemy of Russia (read all his comments), and besides, a traitor, this is what he writes in one of the comments:
                  Quote: Altar
                  (A likely adversary is yes. Of course, he doesn’t say anything to you - 135 motorized rifle division, 439 motorized rifle regiment, tank battalion of this regiment. Maybe the date does not tell you on March 2, 1969. So this is the start date of the events on Damansky Island and 439 regiment directly opposes to the Chinese, and I’m 19 years old in that tank battalion.)


                  Well, or in general an American Troll disguised as a participant in the events of the mess with China in 1969.

                  Although, of course, I don't want to "minus" this ... this is the least that he deserves.
                3. Semen Semyonitch
                  Semen Semyonitch 5 July 2015 04: 12
                  +2
                  Quote: Altar
                  And if you did it yourself, then there is no problem with the service.

                  Where does the money come from, the question is? He was "passed" all the legacy of the Union.
            3. OLGRIN
              OLGRIN 5 July 2015 15: 28
              +2
              Did you go to school? Do you understand cause-effect relationships?
              Each dill and their counterfeiters need to restore the calendar of events in their heads, if it is not possible in their heads, use the printed calendar.
              What happened before, the referendum and the withdrawal of the Russian Crimea from Ukraine in 2014 or the Maidan in the fall of 2013? What is the cause and what is the consequence? I explain:
              The reason is in the fall of 2013, you galloped and yelled that you weren’t.
              They marched and shouted: "her knives!" Then, in February 2014, the authorities carried out a coup by trampling everything - both Ukrainian and international laws. Forgot it?
              The consequence is the March 2014 referendum and secession from Ukraine of the Russian Crimea previously illegally transferred to Ukraine.
              Other If the Romanians begin to act against the Hungarians, the Anglo-Saxons against the French or the Russians against the Buryats, since you are acting against the Russians, be sure such transitions will take place.
              A mess is not a transition of people to another state but a wild, evil and treacherous orgy that you made dill in 2013-2014.
              After you have revived and wave the Bandera and fascist symbols, are you offended when you are called fascists? At least strange.
              1. Altar
                Altar 5 July 2015 18: 49
                -3
                Quote: OLGRIN
                What happened before, the referendum and the withdrawal of the Russian Crimea from Ukraine in 2014 or the Maidan in the fall of 2013? What is the cause and what is the consequence?


                Maidan in Ukraine. And who cares who the Ukrainian people will choose to replace Yanukovych. This is their business. Due to the fact that Yanukovych did not fulfill his promises and was thrown off, there is no reason for any state to bring its troops into the territory of Ukraine and hold a "referendum" on bayonets.

                Quote: Dali
                Here is what he writes in one of the comments:


                I named the numbers of military units in which I served. And what's in it?
      2. Talgat
        Talgat 4 July 2015 20: 10
        +12
        Quote: Vitaly Agarkov
        Well, why is it for Russia? Kazakhstan is not Ukraine for you. There is a wise president who knows with whom it is better to form alliances.

        drinks It’s absolutely true - to quarrel with us was the greatest stupidity and only to the advantage of the Amers –– the Russian Federation will never do that and the KZ will not provoke it –– everyone already realized that it’s easier to go forward together –– there are enough threats from the outside –– the same Afghan and Wahhabist preachers in the SA
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 4 July 2015 15: 45
      +5
      Quote: Altar
      Yes, there is an opposition in Kazakhstan, but it is not capable of any actions that could undermine the current situation in Kazakhstan

      undermining the situation is not difficult; you don’t even need to have 50 percent support, you need an active minority support for certain media in Kazakhstan and abroad
      1. Altar
        Altar 4 July 2015 16: 13
        -39%
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        undermining the situation is not difficult; you don’t even need to have 50 percent support, you need an active minority support for certain media in Kazakhstan and abroad


        And you won’t get 5 percent of support. There are no headless media in Kazakhstan, not counting 2-3 sheets.

        But abroad and there is no business what kind of power in Kazakhstan. The main thing is that blood does not flow like in Syria and other places. Now, if some kind of leader begins to build concentration camps, attacking the neighbors only then the West can intervene. And so the business of the peoples themselves, if they do not oppose the authorities, means they want to live with it.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 4 July 2015 16: 20
          +18
          Quote: Altar
          And you won’t get 5 percent of support

          and this will be enough to fill the area
          Quote: Altar
          But abroad and there is no business what kind of power in Kazakhstan

          don't tell me my slippers
          Quote: Altar
          Now, if some kind of leader begins to build concentration camps, attacking neighbors only then the West can intervene

          I don’t remember the concentration camps in Libya, and Muammar didn’t attack anyone like hi
          Quote: Altar
          And so the business of the peoples themselves, if they do not oppose the authorities, means they want to live with it.

          he thought so too
          1. Kos_kalinki9
            Kos_kalinki9 4 July 2015 18: 28
            +10
            I will add that the West did not condemn the United States for Guantanamo, or can it?
    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 4 July 2015 15: 57
      +13
      Quote: Altar
      There are no other threats to stability in Kazakhstan.

      that is, the main threat to the stability of the Republic of Kazakhstan, Russia ?!
      and you can justify
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 4 July 2015 16: 16
        +12
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        Quote: Altar
        There are no other threats to stability in Kazakhstan.

        that is, the main threat to the stability of the Republic of Kazakhstan, Russia ?!
        and you can justify

        Of course, he will not be able to justify, but he shit in the soul.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 4 July 2015 16: 22
          +6
          Quote: Kos_kalinki9
          Of course, she will not be able to justify

          Well, wait, maybe people collects facts
      2. Altar
        Altar 4 July 2015 16: 46
        -32%
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        that is, the main threat to the stability of the Republic of Kazakhstan, Russia ?!
        and you can justify


        Not basic, but possible. No other threats are visible near the borders. Read the top comets about the rationale - "primordial" lands, etc.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 4 July 2015 17: 03
          +7
          Quote: Altar
          Not basic, but possible. No other threats are visible near the borders.

          if the only one then it certainly changes everything laughing
          Quote: Altar
          read

          THOSE
          Quote: Altar
          the top comets about the rationale - "primordial" lands, etc.

          Have not found
          1. Kos_kalinki9
            Kos_kalinki9 4 July 2015 17: 20
            +9
            It did not work out with the brow with the facts. And he was breathing, he was breathing.
          2. Altar
            Altar 4 July 2015 21: 01
            -12%
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            if the only one then it certainly changes everything


            And that England will transfer its troops to Kazakhstan? Or will China start to crawl? So Mongolia is 10 times weaker than Kazakhstan, but China has no trepidation. But the Kremlin, the Kremlin, and not Russia, already have a precedent - Ukraine.

            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            THOSE


            Well, do not read.

            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            Have not found


            That you don’t remember what kind of storms the Urashniki raised here and you were among them, about the fact that the northern lands of Kazakhstan are "primordially" Russian lands, and Kazakhs have never lived here. And it will be better to bring these lands back home.

            So the townsfolk shouted, but how the Kremlin would care about this topic. Experience already exists - Ukraine.
            1. Kos_kalinki9
              Kos_kalinki9 4 July 2015 22: 13
              +5
              Maybe you will calm down already, In addition to idle speculation and some vague hints at the comments of "urashniks", when there is not a SINGLE fact from you supposedly laid out in the discussion. Stop splashing saliva. And without rudeness, please, this is not accepted here.
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 4 July 2015 23: 28
              +3
              Quote: Altar
              And that England will transfer its troops to Kazakhstan?

              just south of the RK there is a country called Afghanistan, and so there both limes and Americans put their contingents
              Quote: Altar
              Well, do not read.

              and you brake
              Quote: Altar
              What don't you remember

              once again we didn’t graze sheep together, therefore do not poke
              Quote: Altar
              that the northern lands of Kazakhstan are "primordially" Russian lands, and Kazakhs have never lived here. And it will be better to bring these lands back home.

              Well, there were a couple of three people seriously now this question is not raised by anyone, so calm down
              Quote: Altar
              So the townsfolk shouted, but how the Kremlin would care about this topic. Experience already exists - Ukraine.

              and that would not take care of their Natsik
        2. Vitaly72
          Vitaly72 4 July 2015 22: 30
          +1
          Do not get drunk, train!
    4. Hyppopotut
      Hyppopotut 4 July 2015 16: 06
      +7
      Troll ....
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 4 July 2015 16: 11
        +2
        Quote: Hyppopotut
        Troll ....

        Where?! belay
    5. voronbel53
      voronbel53 4 July 2015 16: 41
      +8
      Altar, you want to make your contribution to all this Russophobic policy, to defecate in verbiage. You are talking about an even bigger war with even greater losses for the country, but you continue to threaten Russia and, in all appearances, this is what you achieve in the end ...
    6. Roman 11
      Roman 11 4 July 2015 18: 12
      +5
      Quote: Altar
      Article is garbage.

      Here he is a lackey of the Rockefellers) Immediately visible handwriting Sorovskie licks - I wanted to repaint the country in fascism ........
    7. Styx
      Styx 4 July 2015 20: 49
      +8
      Quote: Altar
      The entry of Russian troops (green men) into the northern regions of Kazakhstan. Holding on bayonets, a "referendum" on the annexation of the northern regions of Kazakhstan to Russia. Publication of the decree of the President of Russia on the recognition of the northern territories of Kazakhstan as subjects of the Russian Federation.


      they threw a strong nonsense at you, beat me well, already from Hohland the wave of Ek-won covered your body, Sharmit Nepadecki wassat laughing
  7. Agarkov Vitaliy
    Agarkov Vitaliy 4 July 2015 15: 37
    +23
    For the first time I found out about these all our "Maidans". They are somehow not popular with us. In general, if they try to overthrow the current government in the country, they will be dispersed immediately. I don't think Nazarbayev will tolerate this.
    1. morprepud
      morprepud 4 July 2015 18: 34
      +3
      They are somehow not popular with us.
      - Vitaly, we hope for you! And God forbid you to always be on the alert.
      1. Agarkov Vitaliy
        Agarkov Vitaliy 4 July 2015 18: 54
        +2
        Thank you, but in this situation, a lot depends on the authorities, and not on the people.
        1. Talgat
          Talgat 4 July 2015 22: 19
          +4
          But on the other hand, the government also "tries to sit still" and looks at the people and the opinion of the people

          So it is important that you and I were 97% (as voted smile ) But I really see that we are the majority
    2. Aposlya
      Aposlya 9 June 2017 19: 56
      0
      Quote: Vitaly Agarkov
      About these all of our "maydanschikov" I first learned here.


      I just like you first found out about them ... "Here it is like Petrovich then ..." Sit and think what it was? I’m already somehow used to that if we have an opposition, then it’s somewhere abroad, like Ablyazov or Kazhegeldin ... And here, right in Almaty? But does the author of the paint thicken?
  8. pts-m
    pts-m 4 July 2015 15: 41
    +6
    Can it really be that the people of Kazakhstan do not teach anything in the urin ruin? But when it burns, it will be too late to put out.
    1. meriem1
      meriem1 4 July 2015 16: 09
      +7
      Yes, it's time to equate all these "seminars" revolutionary with high treason by adopting an article corresponding to the Criminal Code! Otherwise it will not stop. Nobody forbids opposition and peaceful protest! Let the population agitate. And if he was caught taking part in such trainings or distributing similar literature, then immediately plant!
      ps I wonder what will happen in America with such "revolutionaries". Will they be shot at once, or will they be declared terrorists first?
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 4 July 2015 16: 15
        +13
        Quote: meriem1
        Yes, it's time to equate all these "seminars" revolutionary with high treason by adopting an article corresponding to the Criminal Code!

        The Prosecutor's Office of the Republic of Kazakhstan refuses to initiate a case against Mr. Maleev for openly Nazi phrases on his website such as "Russian pigs need to be slaughtered throughout Kazakhstan", and you mean seminars
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 5 July 2015 16: 31
          +2
          I like you gentlemen, representatives of Kazakhstan, to refute the brain is weak, but just minus it you are the first.
          once again for you, I turned to the prosecutor general regarding the Nazi statements of Mr. Maleev, the answer was shocking.
          the actions of the website editor fall under the criminal article, but since I am not a resident of the Republic of Kazakhstan there is no reason to initiate UD
          1. Aposlya
            Aposlya 9 June 2017 19: 58
            0
            there are no minuses here .... what are you talking about? winked
  9. dojjdik
    dojjdik 4 July 2015 15: 49
    +5
    a powerful blow with a rubber baton on the head or a rubber bullet on the ribs if it doesn’t help, then the tank’s caterpillar — and most importantly, without flirting with the dubious UN or the Observer — is the best and already tested means against all the Maidan taken unfortunately for cruelty.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 4 July 2015 15: 58
      +4
      Quote: dojjdik
      a powerful blow with a rubber baton on the head or a rubber bullet on the ribs if the tank caterpillar does not help

      immediately the last
  10. rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 4 July 2015 15: 49
    +5
    Quote: Vitaliy Agarkov
    For the first time I found out about these all our "Maidans". They are somehow not popular with us. In general, if they try to overthrow the current government in the country, they will be dispersed immediately. I don't think Nazarbayev will tolerate this.
    There was already an attempt, we dispersed right away
    1. Agarkov Vitaliy
      Agarkov Vitaliy 4 July 2015 15: 58
      +8
      They try to use any occasion. And this is not the first attempt. The most serious strength test was Zhanaozen. There were even those killed. I don’t know whether snipers or not, but there were killed.
      1. Barakuda
        Barakuda 4 July 2015 16: 13
        +7
        But I went on foot under the table, but I remember Ordzhonikidze-Vladikavkaz. The world was only in the "military" town, there were spontaneous Russians. And the Mi-24 soared, and the potholes from the "Carnation". Then the troops quickly took out all the dissatisfied, I guess where .. My dad took part there, is still silent .. And the people of the USSR did not know anything.
  11. Barakuda
    Barakuda 4 July 2015 16: 03
    +8
    Yanukovych also thought so, having full power. And now he is poking around in Russia. Glory be to Allah, though not in London or Israel. Our parasite.
    1. Agarkov Vitaliy
      Agarkov Vitaliy 4 July 2015 16: 33
      +20
      Yanukovych turned out to be a vegetable. That's what they will not forgive him. Not only Russians, but also many Ukrainians. Then crush that infection, there wouldn’t be so much blood shed, there would be no civil war.
      1. voronbel53
        voronbel53 4 July 2015 16: 59
        +7
        That's right, Yanukovych must also be judged for the inaction, because of which everything happened in Ukraine - in his homeland along with the gangster coup d'etat ...
        1. smsk
          smsk 5 July 2015 14: 32
          +1
          That's right, Yanukovych must also be judged for the inaction, because of which everything happened in Ukraine - in his homeland along with the gangster coup d'etat ...

          So this is not the main reason, there was social tension, which resulted in what spilled over. If Yanukovych shot Maidan, then he would appear in the eyes of the people as a bloody tyrant, the end would be similar. Purposeful Russophobic propaganda and politics bore fruit, not in 2014 so in 15 or 16 the rise to power of fascist puppets would take place.
          1. Aposlya
            Aposlya 9 June 2017 20: 00
            0
            In Ukraine, it all started back in the 50s, when Bandera was released home from the camps ...
      2. VadimSt
        VadimSt 4 July 2015 17: 08
        +7
        Quote: Vitaly Agarkov
        Yanukovych turned out to be a vegetable

        Because of this filth, everything started, including the Maidan. After the elections to the Verkhovna Rada "bent over the knee" by his team, he felt himself inaccessible not only for the opposition, but also for his electorate. The zeal with which his family began to "sit on the neck" of the entire business, from small to great, could not be tolerated. However, no one forced them to endure - they simply took away the business for a pittance, in the interests of his son, who became a billionaire in a year. And so he knew that he only needed to flee - his former patrimony, southeastern Ukraine, would not protect him.
  12. Cat ridder
    Cat ridder 4 July 2015 16: 09
    +25
    I hope it will work out, although there is strong fear. Moreover, with ribbons this year they really strained everyone ... In addition, if something happened in Kyrgyzstan or elsewhere, the echoes will fly right to us.
    In general, I have been living all my life in Kazakhstan - both Victory is sacred, and Kazakhs are peace-loving, good people. Without freaks, not a single nation is there, it’s so ...
    I think it’s definitely not going to set us on fire under Nazarbayev, but after it - how not to do FIGs. While there is no alternative to it. And on small state posts, the national patriarchies already exist and what will grow out of them - only God knows about that
    1. Agarkov Vitaliy
      Agarkov Vitaliy 4 July 2015 16: 26
      +9
      Yes, this is what scares us all. And what will happen after Nazarbayev?
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 4 July 2015 16: 47
      +9
      - "People of the world, be vigilant three times -
      Take care of the world, take care of the world "!

      "Buchenwald alarm"
    3. kuz363
      kuz363 4 July 2015 18: 39
      +3
      About the ribbons, I can say that Aktau was worn in different colors on Victory Day. St. George and the blue. The police carried St. George's, children and adults too. Caught and blue, but less often. Maybe they’ve prepared a little? Basically. no need to make a tragedy out of the color of the tape. Whoever likes it, let them wear it to their health. Under the USSR, St. George’s ribbons were not worn on Victory Day. But since a new tradition has appeared, why not? Just like the blue ones.
      1. Talgat
        Talgat 4 July 2015 20: 20
        +6
        Yes, with tapes there are no topics at all to discuss and especially to escalate - yes, they introduced additional ones - but NOT FOR REPLACEMENT - but in addition that there was although a national color

        Read the mail ru - the statement of our regional authorities - it was planned to distribute along with St. George’s - and not instead - secondly, look at the photo - the standard St. George’s integrated there
  13. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 4 July 2015 16: 15
    +7
    If something happens to Nazarbayev, then Khan from Kazakhstan will have anglopatronat. There are no more prominent politicians like him to shut up politicians and the country will roll downhill. Russia can’t interfere, so right away everyone will conquer that Putin is crushing the country. Although who poison there is already visible. But Nazarbayev, like Lukashenko, wants to flirt with the West and recklessly host export products banned in Russia, which then freely come to us. And there it is urgent to remove Western NGOs and traitor brothers from Hohland.
    1. scientist
      scientist 4 July 2015 16: 47
      +7
      Quote: Anchonsha
      If something happens to Nazarbayev, then to Khan Kazakhstan

      This is a very widespread opinion, but you must agree that a manager who does not think about the future is worthless. And he thinks! The article is of course topical "there are some freaks in the family," especially in the big one. For example, my brother's wife is a citizen of Ukraine from Odessa, but she permanently lives in Kazakhstan and representatives of the KNB came to her right after the Maidan, then they came to her a couple of times and asked her questions. Fortunately, she is Jewish by nationality and these nationalistic attempts are deeply repugnant to her.
      In addition, Kazakhstan is not a buffer between NATO and Russia; it has the largest land borders in the world in terms of length, not only with Russia, but also with China. This is the most powerful foundation of stability in modern history! Attempts to shake it is like banging your head against a wall, forbid anyone can of course, but you can easily break your head.
    2. kuz363
      kuz363 4 July 2015 18: 43
      -8
      Nazarbayev should not be locked only to Russia. Yes, the trade turnover is large with Russia. But why give up Western goods and food when one is lacking? Who is worse off? Russia has done so and has cornered itself. And Kazakhstan should not unconditionally support Russia. Because not everything is done there right.
  14. blizart
    blizart 4 July 2015 16: 18
    +13
    Come on, move on! I'll tell you right now! In short, a directive on troops was passed this year - to ban even holding a post (post). Earlier, prayers and other religious items in the troops were banned. For everyone who is noticed, the supervision of ideological bodies. That is, the government is so reinsured that I assume the matter is quite serious and the situation is very unstable. By analogy with game sports, the team plays, it seems to be playing well, it is quite stable; bam one player was injured and everything fell apart. Cause? Not enough depth of composition! So it is with us.
    1. Agarkov Vitaliy
      Agarkov Vitaliy 4 July 2015 16: 28
      +6
      You mean, is it safe from the Islamists?
      1. blizart
        blizart 4 July 2015 16: 41
        +11
        Well, how would I answer ... Oh! They burned them in milk, now they blow into the water. Something like this. Of course, and the example of Ukraine before my eyes. The world will no longer be the same. Then, attempts to rock the situation are made in all directions, not only religious, ethnic, class, clan, but let them tear somewhere, they hope. Where is subtle - we know.
    2. Altar
      Altar 4 July 2015 16: 52
      -18%
      Quote: blizart
      In short, a directive on troops was passed this year - to ban even holding a post (post). Earlier, prayers and other religious items in the troops were banned.


      Some garbage but with a serious look.

      Kazakhstan is a multinational state. And what will the army be like, where time instead of combat training will be spent on prayers, Christian prayers, Jewish readings. And to hold a post in the army for a month is already on the other side. Which soldier is a warrior after a month's hunger strike.
      1. blizart
        blizart 4 July 2015 17: 30
        +22
        Some garbage but with a serious look.
        Mr. I don’t have a habit of speaking, much less writing. What do you serve? And I serve! You can be told insider information is offered, and you ... Then what is surprising !? There were times, not only did individuals read the prayer right in the outfit, but the entire battalion of special forces in front of the mullah in the holy place for military purposes — they squatted down the parade ground. Then you misrepresent the Muslim post, but it’s for yourself, yourself - find out, look there. I have no time with ... a likely adversary
        1. ssn18
          ssn18 4 July 2015 18: 30
          +6
          Dear blizart! Since when has a probable enemy become a master for you? Stars and stripes usually call "sir", they will never be gentlemen, no matter how hard they try. soldier
          1. blizart
            blizart 4 July 2015 18: 40
            +15
            So I am ... with sarcasm wassat Good word COMRADE - to the shore
            1. Agarkov Vitaliy
              Agarkov Vitaliy 4 July 2015 18: 56
              +4
              Sirs are all not ours laughing
              1. ssn18
                ssn18 4 July 2015 20: 24
                +4
                Duck, it’s clear that not ours, ours do not behave like that.
              2. Aposlya
                Aposlya 9 June 2017 20: 03
                0
                Quote: Vitaly Agarkov
                Sirs are all not ours


                yeah, now it’s just “earthenware” to the entrance ... or “myrzalar and scum” laughing
            2. ssn18
              ssn18 4 July 2015 19: 04
              +2
              The concept of "sarcasm" is not familiar to the digitized, I think. Pay attention to the manner of communication.
        2. Altar
          Altar 4 July 2015 21: 25
          -10%
          Quote: blizart
          Then you misrepresent the Muslim post, but it’s for yourself, yourself - find out, look there. I have no time with ... a likely adversary


          I understand perfectly. I am from Kazakhstan, and the flag is those. a failure.

          Even if a soldier only eats at night, and during the day to starve it will still violate physiology.

          And the post itself is a hypocrisy. This is to abstain from food during the day and gobble at night. So you can end with the use of alcohol. Do not drink during the day, and get drunk at night.

          (The likely adversary is, yes. Of course, he doesn’t say anything to you - 135 motorized rifle division, 439 motorized rifle regiment, tank battalion of this regiment. Maybe the date does not tell you on March 2, 1969. So this is the start date of events on Damansky Island and 439 regiment directly opposes to the Chinese, and I’m 19 years old in that tank battalion.)
          1. Dali
            Dali 4 July 2015 23: 46
            +7
            Quote: Altar
            And I'm in that tank battalion 19 year old.)


            Those. Are you 65 now? No, well, I've met all sorts of people, think for other 70 years more clearly than in 25-35 ... then you ... a full down and ...

            I read all your comments - it’s like throwing mud at Russia, so only 100% enemy of Russia can distort facts ... and even a traitor (he was in the tank battalion ...)

            shl
            Come not clean ... am
            1. Altar
              Altar 5 July 2015 19: 01
              +2
              Quote: Dali
              I read all your comments - it’s like throwing mud at Russia, so only 100% enemy of Russia can distort facts ... and even a traitor (he was in the tank battalion ...)


              This is you without logic. Russia is a great country. I do not agree with the current policy of the Kremlin and with those who support this policy.
              1. reality
                reality 6 July 2015 15: 46
                +1
                Wow, you're probably new in your office? So much zeal, such a frequency! Only forget to turn on the proxy so that the flag does not burn. New.
                1. Alibekulu
                  Alibekulu 6 July 2015 16: 51
                  +1
                  Quote: reality
                  Wow, you're probably new in your office? So much zeal, such a frequency! Only forget to turn on the proxy so that the flag does not burn. New.
                  This new one is quite old.
                  As I understand it, this is Bek-Agay, which was banned not for the first time. The second time - under the name Tarkhan. And the proxy with him and then buggy.
                  Yes, and he is one of the first on "VO" from Kazakhs and Kazakhstan ..
                  If a person has his own opinion, different from the majority, then this does not mean that he is an "agent of the State Department", "Japanese policeman" and "bandero-fascist" ...
                  1. reality
                    reality 6 July 2015 18: 52
                    +2
                    Everything is simpler here. Why does he need a proxy? By the way, try using a verifier (sites with proxy servers) - they do not work for us. So he is not in Kazakhstan. If he was just a man with his own opinion, then this is nothing. But he pours stamps, always avoids uncomfortable questions, and is extremely prolific. I can’t write more than 5 meaningful comments a day, the work is distracting. But he is not distracted. Has already changed the 3rd account. What for? There are also sites more favorable to his opinion. So he consciously carries out propaganda work.
                    And if I'm wrong in everything, and this lamb just roots for the truth ... hmm ... but no, some nonsense!
                    1. Портал
                      Портал 7 July 2015 06: 33
                      +1
                      Quote: reality
                      So he is not in Kazakhstan.


                      The flag of Kazakhstan came out, which means in Kazakhstan.

                      Quote: reality
                      But he pours stamps, always avoids uncomfortable questions, and cr


                      What stamps ??? This majority on the site pours stamps of Russian television propaganda. And they do not perceive another opinion, they consider any other opinion to be a betrayal - laughter. Altar is a citizen of Kazakhstan, how can he be a traitor to Russia? If a Russian says that the United States is doing wrong, this means that this Russian is a traitor to America.

                      Quote: reality
                      I can’t write more than 5 meaningful comments a day, the work is distracting.


                      Well, if the work is still there. And if there is little carrying capacity in the skull, for comprehension, then this is bad.

                      Quote: reality
                      Has already changed the 3rd account. What for?


                      So Alibekuly wrote that they banned him, but he did not change.

                      Quote: reality
                      There are also sites more favorable to his opinion.


                      In general, it is interesting to listen to another opinion, if you do not agree, to debate. Discussions enrich with knowledge, develop, hone thinking, improve rhetoric. It is not enough to JUST listen a hundred times, from others, the opinion with which I completely agree. It's like talking to YOURSELF.

                      Quote: reality
                      So he consciously carries out propaganda work.


                      But this is a stamp. If not mine and there are no meaningful arguments, then this is propaganda.

                      Quote: reality
                      And if I'm wrong about everything,


                      In the logic of thinking around are wrong.
  15. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 4 July 2015 16: 39
    +7
    capturing Kazakhstan with VIP advisers, England does not stop the information war with the Nazarbayev regime,

    I’m most worried about this .. the British are much more cunning and cynical .. This is not a US bulldozer! And I think that Nazarbayev should have transferred power to his successor in these elections and remained in the shade to support him ... (who advised him that, I think to guess it’s not difficult.) 75 years old nevertheless, and what will come next is not difficult to guess .. Oh, the Kazakhs pray to Allah that they won’t scorch you. That's something like that.! hi
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 4 July 2015 20: 28
      +7
      I really started to worry about the topic for Kazakhstan and Mikhan is not there (I thought that he left the locust that flies back from Kazakhstan), but no, here he is "ours" with practical advice and predictions, otherwise Vasilenko and Co. are here and Mikhan is not, you understandlaughing . On the topic of the article, if about the future of Kazakhstan, then young people who don’t know the USSR have grown up and which way she will choose the question that is still incomprehensible, they are not particularly radical, but they clearly don’t like the income difference between the coolest and the poorest and if the authorities continue If the gap increases, then perhaps a significant part of the unsettled youth will begin to search for simple answers to complex questions from Islamic radicals. And the NAS is old and soon its sunset, maybe slow like Brezhnev’s, maybe fast like Khrushov’s. Following the flags of Ukraine and Kazakhstan are really yellow-blue wink
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 4 July 2015 21: 08
        +2
        Quote: Semurg
        I really started to worry about the topic for Kazakhstan and Mikhan is not there (I thought that he left the locust that flies back from Kazakhstan), but no, here he is "ours" with practical advice and predictions, otherwise Vasilenko and Co. are here and Mikhan is not, you understand

        I myself began to worry about something .. "Lonely" just talked to me and that's it .... And then I wave a sword, there is no one .. laughing fellow
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 4 July 2015 21: 34
          +4
          Something Lone stopped asking you a question about flying to Mars laughing , and so with his opinion on the urgency of reform and dialogue between the authorities and society I agree.
          1. Vitaly Anisimov
            Vitaly Anisimov 4 July 2015 21: 52
            +1
            Quote: Semurg
            Something Lone stopped asking you a question about flying to Mars laughing , and so with his opinion on the urgency of reform and dialogue between the authorities and society I agree.

            Yes, then he stabbed me ..)))) As I recall .. laughing laughing drinks
            And at the expense of reforms, let them sort it out there in Azerbaijan, the situation there is also not so hot (although weapons were bought for parades cleanly ..) And the words "dialogue between the authorities and society" we listened to in the 90s and on the "march on the marsh" We know this "dialogue" and what happens after it .... Again, blood and robbery ??? We are somehow without "dialogues" ... hi
            1. Semurg
              Semurg 4 July 2015 22: 06
              +5
              the situation in both us and you is not so hot, and in Azerbaijan, the occupation of parts of the country has also been exacerbated. Dialogue should always be and not only in the pre-election period. and a change of power should be a fair trial and much, much more, and then you will not need to be afraid of either revolutions or coups. And the death of one politician will not be equal to a complete change of state course.
              1. rosarioagro
                rosarioagro 5 July 2015 07: 38
                +2
                Quote: Semurg
                And the death of one politician will not be equal to a complete change of state course.

                To do this, there must be a working system that will move society towards a common goal, setting goals and controlling their implementation, then a change in one politician will not cause a redistribution of spheres of influence, conflict of interests, attempts to draw a nationalist, religious card, i.e. in general, the particular will not prevail over the general
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  16. Barakuda
    Barakuda 4 July 2015 16: 41
    +13
    The weekend, however, that’s what comes to mind, though the quality is .. capaero with ninjas resting
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 4 July 2015 17: 47
      +2
      Baracuda class! I remembered that in Adler I had a rest with my parents in my childhood .. Heat, after lunch in the park we miss, like many around .. The summer stage is next to an announcement of some kind of song and dance ensemble (I’m sorry that I didn’t remember) ..We decided to go see ( the ticket was worth a penny) In general, as the video first sang songs .. And then, as it began with drafts, daggers waved sparks fly jump .. (I opened my mouth and did not close until the end of the performance ..) Then everything abruptly cut off and on the stage everyone froze with burning eyes and bare sabers .... Silence stood in the hall for a minute Everything was just in shock .. Then there was a rare clap, and then just standing, all the audience (30 people were) applauded .. It was something that crashed into memory forever!
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 4 July 2015 20: 47
        +2
        Well, and I remember Uralsk and the march of the column of Cossacks along the street with shouts of love and whistle, and my misunderstanding as a Shymkent that this is a demonstration of strength? or provocation? and my questions to the local is what happened? To which the local Kazakhs answered me that it was a local flavor and that it was not for long and really coming to Uralsk at other times I no longer saw these marches.
        1. Vitaly Anisimov
          Vitaly Anisimov 4 July 2015 21: 13
          +3
          Quote: Semurg
          To which local Kazakhs answered me that this is a local flavor and that it is not for long and really

          And indeed everyone left (or rather squeezed out), There you have the British in high esteem and the Americans .. They rob in a quiet near by Russia (that's why there is such silence in Kazakhstan)))))
          1. Semurg
            Semurg 4 July 2015 21: 47
            +3
            we don’t need radicals that are Islamic, that the Cossack squeeze both of them, that is gut. By the way, companies from the Russian Federation are also robbing here and not quietly, but silence because the old and middle generation hit by the perestroika and collapse of the USSR with the collapse of the economy and a wild decline in living standards are happy with the current standard of living and stability, and the young only comes into effect. So the authorities need to build a dialogue with this force, the National Academy of Sciences knows the post-Soviet people well, their fears and aspirations, and skillfully plays on this, but the youth who grew up in independent Kazakhstan, in my opinion, is terra incognita for him.
            1. Vitaly Anisimov
              Vitaly Anisimov 4 July 2015 22: 01
              +1
              You express your thoughts beautifully and competently Semurg .. And yet not everything is fine with you there .. I have such a feeling and intuition .. hi "Swamp" is there in Kazakhstan ... If "horde" rushes to you, you will not do anything and we will not be allowed to help you! It is so?
              1. Semurg
                Semurg 4 July 2015 22: 24
                +3
                I will tell you a secret that there is not a single state on earth where everything is in order, the only difference is in the methods and ways of establishing "order" and in the desire of society and the authorities to restore order. It depends on what kind of "help", if it will be expressed in the rejection of the "north of Kazakhstan", then let us in every possible way prevent this hi ... If in sending your soldiers to die on the southern borders of Kazakhstan, then most likely the Russians themselves do not arouse enthusiasm, if the conversation about material assistance and weapons in the "critical period" then we will not abandon the lend.lease laughing ... If for you RK "swamp" come to us and start a conversation among Kazakhs about the "Russian world" or "world caliphate", then share your impressions laughing .
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  18. bubla5
    bubla5 4 July 2015 16: 50
    +3
    The special services would work well, there would be no fifth column and statements about the Ponfilovites, and so every year there are more and more of them
  19. DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 4 July 2015 17: 17
    +6
    And Russia is full of this shit. Why in Moscow, for example, do sectarians in the center with their literature freely exist? Here I do not understand Putin. The sect "Jehovah's Witnesses" with its literature quietly settled down at the Kursk railway station with stands, people are calling. And not a single policeman touches them. Their headquarters are in the USA, our people are fooling around, Ukraine is not enough for them. How long?
    Today Igo saw these.
    1. Agarkov Vitaliy
      Agarkov Vitaliy 4 July 2015 18: 23
      +7
      So we have a lot of them. And all sorts of different sects. Not just witnesses. They go, they are gaining supporters. Recently I talked with one witness. So he argued that there is no homeland and there is no point in protecting it. We are all guests on this planet. And Earth is our common home. To which I asked him what he would do if they attack us; so he replied that it would be better to flee to the mountains, but would not defend his homeland. That's it. And I have such a question. Witnesses only pursue such a policy with us, or do they reason like that in a geyrop with the states.
  20. alone
    alone 4 July 2015 17: 17
    +8
    The control system needs to be changed cardinally. As we see the notion of a strong lobby, reliance on power structures, nepotism, total cramming into the posts of relatives does not really solve anything and does not save anyone.
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 4 July 2015 18: 13
      +4
      Quote: lonely
      The control system needs to be changed cardinally. As we see the notion of a strong lobby, reliance on power structures, nepotism, total cramming into the posts of relatives does not really solve anything and does not save anyone.

      You are right .. There Baikonur, etc. )))) The border guard is one in 100 km) and he constantly sits in a cap in reeds (a bakshish is waiting)))) I don’t go out hunting or fishing normally (for free) .. I need to change everything lonely there, I smell genes. . bully drinks
      1. alone
        alone 4 July 2015 19: 24
        +4
        Quote: MIKHAN
        You are right .. There Baikonur, etc. )))) The border guard is one in 100 km) and he constantly sits in a cap in reeds (a bakshish is waiting)))) I don’t go out hunting or fishing normally (for free) .. I need to change everything lonely there, I smell genes. .

        start to radically change everything you say first at home. You have the same thing.
        1. Vitaly Anisimov
          Vitaly Anisimov 4 July 2015 19: 47
          +2
          Quote: lonely
          Quote: MIKHAN
          You are right .. There Baikonur, etc. )))) The border guard is one in 100 km) and he constantly sits in a cap in reeds (a bakshish is waiting)))) I don’t go out hunting or fishing normally (for free) .. I need to change everything lonely there, I smell genes. .

          start to radically change everything you say first at home. You have the same thing.

          As early as 2006, everything began to change in our country .. (well, there they began to build frontier gates .. all sorts of teachings, etc.) And now, especially, all sorts of movements are going on ... So lonely everything is fine here, but in Azerbaijan as..? Equipment that was purchased in Russia for 4 billion .. In addition to using the parade where else .. ??? Something is not heard ... bully
          1. alone
            alone 4 July 2015 20: 22
            +3
            Quote: MIKHAN
            As early as 2006, everything began to change in our country .. (well, there they began to build frontier gates .. all sorts of teachings, etc.) And now, especially, all sorts of movements are going on ... So lonely everything is fine here, but in Azerbaijan as..? Equipment that was purchased in Russia for 4 billion .. In addition to using the parade where else .. ??? Something is not heard ...


            we speak different languages ​​Vitaliy. the state management system needs to be changed. what does the border post have to do with it?))) In case of a nuclear war, the outposts will not solve anything. posts))))
            equipment that was purchased in Russia for 4 billion .. In addition to using the parade where else .. ??? Something is not heard ...


            where necessary there and use))
    2. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 4 July 2015 19: 43
      +7
      Quote: lonely
      The control system needs to be changed cardinally. As we see the notion of a strong lobby, reliance on power structures, nepotism, total cramming into the posts of relatives does not really solve anything and does not save anyone.
      Well, what can I say recourse One reliable for LIH. Mauger will be frightened like bourgeois after the victory of the Bolsheviks in Russia, and at last they will begin structural reforms. Will be engaged in the formation of democratic institutions and social elevators, etc. and etc ...
  21. Evilcat
    Evilcat 4 July 2015 17: 26
    +10
    Even the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome by Kazakhstan’s oppositionists is presented as “Putin’s attempt to destroy Baikonur”.
    No, okay. Is it that if I install a gas boiler at home, does it mean that I want to destroy the city heating system?
    1. Aposlya
      Aposlya 9 June 2017 20: 33
      0
      Quote: EvilCat
      Is it that if I install a gas boiler at home, does it mean that I want to destroy the city heating system?

      "And you had no thought on the terrorist attack ?!" bully
  22. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 4 July 2015 17: 42
    0
    It seems to me that non-Western, sovereign powers should create a semblance of a "Holy Union" to protect themselves from the Maidan plague.
    1. Aposlya
      Aposlya 9 June 2017 20: 33
      0
      are you the Entente or what do you mean?
  23. Prohur
    Prohur 4 July 2015 17: 46
    -14%
    do not even think about tutu) half KZ will go to the Russian Federation
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 4 July 2015 17: 55
      0
      Quote: Prohur
      half KZ will go to the Russian Federation

      and the second?
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 4 July 2015 18: 20
        +3
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        Quote: Prohur
        half KZ will go to the Russian Federation

        and the second?

        Well, it will ride and beat in a tambourine .. (so probably ..)))) laughing I would not want to, but everything is going to this clearly!
        1. Agarkov Vitaliy
          Agarkov Vitaliy 4 July 2015 18: 25
          +6
          I do not know. I don’t see that everything was going to this. Although I live in the south.
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 4 July 2015 18: 26
          -3
          Quote: MIKHAN
          will beat in a tambourine .. (so probably ..))))

          then already in the double
  24. Roman 11
    Roman 11 4 July 2015 17: 55
    +6
    At one time, the film about Aliya Moldagulova made a strong impression, if I am not mistaken - Snipers.
  25. Uhalus
    Uhalus 4 July 2015 18: 02
    +5
    Their name is legion ... You will involuntarily remember Klimov. I hope the Kazakhs are smarter than the Ukrainians. I hope they have not yet been completely fooled by propaganda. I hope ...
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 4 July 2015 19: 58
      +1
      Quote: Uhalus
      Their name is legion ... You will involuntarily remember Klimov. I hope the Kazakhs are smarter than the Ukrainians. I hope they have not yet been completely fooled by propaganda. I hope ...

      And what are they .. They are sitting in the underbelly of Russia, in the east, China .. In the center of Camiron, adviser to Nazarbva ... Beautifully arranged .. until! bully
  26. bmv04636
    bmv04636 4 July 2015 18: 07
    0
    Oh, you need more and more large-scale Fürgensens, so that they would see the riot in Los Angeles as paradise.
  27. sl3
    sl3 4 July 2015 19: 34
    +4
    All creatures trying to upset peace and quiet in Kazakhstan and Russia and other countries and republics by the number of UDs. First of all, Pindos and their sixes with their shit.mocracy.
  28. aromatologist
    aromatologist 4 July 2015 20: 07
    -2
    Amerekos, more wrappers will print, and be Maidan in Kazakhstan.
    1. Dawn
      Dawn 4 July 2015 21: 54
      +3
      We have enough of our own drugs and our showdown, you do not write comments better here, there is no understanding.
  29. mackonya
    mackonya 4 July 2015 20: 10
    +4
    It is easier to arrange Maidan in Russia than in Kazakhstan. There are very few prerequisites, and few people read adam.bol magazine. And all these advisers in the 90s were with all the CIS countries, well, there were some, a lot of money attracted big ravens.
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 4 July 2015 20: 21
      +1
      Quote: mackonya
      It is easier to arrange Maidan in Russia than in Kazakhstan. There are very few prerequisites, and few people read adam.bol magazine. And all these advisers in the 90s were with all the CIS countries, well, there were some, a lot of money attracted big ravens.

      It's not about the Maidan in Kazakhstan ... It's just that gangs of thugs (small) can, like a "knife through butter", pass through the territory of Kazakhstan to the borders of Russia! They are unlikely to take up arms .. (if they are not touched), but they will not be touched at first (baksheesh will only be collected further) .. And what should Russia do? This option is quite possible ..
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 4 July 2015 23: 46
        +5
        And the local population to meet these scumbags with bread and salt. No. . So they will pass by pawn, without tanks and artillery, without provisions and water? Local will provide everything !? Our women never even wore burqa, and you think these bearded men will force our Amazons, and the men will watch !? laughing .
        But seriously, in the beginning it is necessary for Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan to go through with Russian bases. The CSTO exercises showed that a decent grouping can be deployed in Tajikistan in a day, and this in turn (exercises) shows WHERE we will meet. And not one at a time, but the entire CSTO. For that, the Russian Federation allocated the Kyrgyz and Tajiks with military equipment, ammunition and b / c in the amount of billion for each. Well, our military is not idle. Only recently they wrote about the exercises and competitions of special forces with us and about the night flights of the Air Force. Up to 100 planes are in combat readiness, as many as turntables, 300 tanks - so there is something to fight back, and it is very hard to believe that they can reach Kazakhstan with large-scale military operations. hi
        1. rosarioagro
          rosarioagro 5 July 2015 07: 42
          +1
          Quote: Kasym
          Our women never even wore burqa, and you think these bearded men will make our Amazons

          As for the burqa is already worn, individuals
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          2. Netrocker
            Netrocker 6 July 2015 10: 40
            +1
            Where did you see our burqa? !!!
            That scarf on the head of women is called hijab.


            By the way, before it was worn by Russians even in the 20th century, and it was not very good for Russian women to go outside without a headscarf, they were also called "simple-haired".
            And here is a photo with a burqa:

            You will not find such color in us - the Kazakh women never wore such a thing ever in history !!!
            1. Pissarro
              Pissarro 6 July 2015 10: 54
              0
              You have not paranja in the photo, but abaya, traditional Arabic women's clothing. Paranja is purely Central Asian women's clothing and the word itself is in Farsi. Specialists say that in the White sun of the desert the paranja is believable
              1. Netrocker
                Netrocker 6 July 2015 14: 35
                0
                Burqa (synonymous with burka, less often chadra) is women's outerwear in Muslim countries, in particular, Central Asia and the Middle East, which is a robe with long false sleeves and a hair net covering her face - chachwan.
                AND? There are no nets in my photo except on the face ...
        2. mackonya
          mackonya 6 July 2015 16: 04
          0
          True said. Yes, of course, there is an Afghan problem, there is a Salafi trend on the part of Turkmenistan. But the danger to Russia from Kazakhstan is unlikely.
  30. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 4 July 2015 20: 26
    +4
    Well, a little ur shout! To all the arsonists of the war on the borders of Russia .. God forbid, of course, but we will answer in full ... And we won’t understand this time!
    As in the 41st: "You are a comrade from the workers or from the peasants ..." hi
    1. Kadex
      Kadex 4 July 2015 23: 36
      +5
      Well, who is screaming like that?
      Here you go! laughing

      PySy: By the way, compare the lyrics. Now more and more about myself, my beloved ...
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 5 July 2015 00: 57
        +3
        This is steeper agree ... hiI haven’t seen this for a long time ... It’s necessary to fill in the Ukrainians! good Let them remember ...
  31. bender8282
    bender8282 4 July 2015 20: 28
    +6
    Kazakhstan is one of the most developed and purposeful, truly and sacredly believed in the USSR! Nazarbayev for her is light and prosperity (not to be compared with the Soviet "decrepit Areopagus of the late 70s and early 80s). And by the way, if the country were not ruined, he was the FIRST CANDIDATE, after the humpback, to the PRESIDENT of the USSR, but "Tsar Boris" intervened, and then you yourself know ... oh, you slept through such a country ... request
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 4 July 2015 20: 52
      +1
      Quote: bender8282
      Kazakhstan is one of the most developed and purposeful, truly and holy believers in the USSR

      Let me disagree with you ... The East is a delicate matter! The Kazakhs are a calm nation and their territory is large and "correctly located" ... And Nazarbayev felt it and caught the right wave .. It was not for nothing that he had Camiron and many advisors and the Army, as such, there was no such thing .. There the clans have long divided everything ( land, rivers, lakes, forests,) Everything is sold out back in the 90s! You just don't go to the Forest to pick mushrooms or go fishing ... Well, the north there is really abandoned, everything was really destroyed that was built under the USSR! There is no oil gas there ... I think such things, minus, but I just know it ... I have a lot of friends, but if something happens I'm not sure .. hi
      1. Dawn
        Dawn 4 July 2015 21: 41
        +2
        Eh the north ... there are now Shymkent, etc. scumbags imported as oralmans, pressurize the Russian region, there are no words only.
        1. Vitaly Anisimov
          Vitaly Anisimov 4 July 2015 22: 12
          +1
          Quote: Aube
          Eh the north ... there are now Shymkent, etc. scumbags imported as oralmans, pressurize the Russian region, there are no words only.

          Squeeze and quietly .. Runs people spitting and throwing everything ...! Until they bomb ... And what do we want? (Camiron’s adviser to Nazarbayev and Parashenko calls him to him ..) If we return (necessarily), then everything will be different ...!
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 4 July 2015 23: 50
            +3
            It's not about Kemiron, but about Blair. Meehan, read carefully. And then you will write that you went and you know. wink
            1. Vitaly Anisimov
              Vitaly Anisimov 5 July 2015 00: 48
              +1
              Quote: Kasym
              It's not about Kemiron, but about Blair. Meehan, read carefully. And then you will write that you went and you know. wink

              Yes, you are right .. but there is no difference ..)))) I’m getting confused in these names already ... How many devils there are in your quiet "lead" ... hi
  32. Dawn
    Dawn 4 July 2015 21: 06
    0
    Kazakhstan is falling apart due to corruption, clans fighting, a weakening president against insanity, the mentality of the people, etc. Maidan is the tenth twentieth. Just as the Arabs soon again from Mercier to Ishakov we will transfer and that’s all. And the return from sociality to the khanate is simply a fact.
    1. Agarkov Vitaliy
      Agarkov Vitaliy 4 July 2015 21: 16
      +3
      Quote: Aube
      a weakening president with insanity.

      But this is an insult. Where did you find senility in Nazarbayev? Do you want to look at Poroshenko? What nonsense does he bring, do you want to listen?
      Quote: Aube
      the mentality of the people

      And what doesn’t suit you in it? The fact that our people are basically peaceful and calm? So it's vice versa good. Not like in Ukraine for 2 decades of 3 revolutions.
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 4 July 2015 21: 27
        +1
        Quote: Vitaly Agarkov
        The fact that our people are basically peaceful and calm? So it's vice versa good.

        Well I agree .. Here is only one "but", when the "Basmachis" appear on the borders of Russia, they will be just as calm ..?
        1. Agarkov Vitaliy
          Agarkov Vitaliy 4 July 2015 21: 39
          +1
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Quote: Vitaly Agarkov
          The fact that our people are basically peaceful and calm? So it's vice versa good.

          Well I agree .. Here is only one "but", when the "Basmachis" appear on the borders of Russia, they will be just as calm ..?

          Are you talking about the Islamists? So our special services, along with specialists from the Russian Federation, will neutralize them.
          1. Dawn
            Dawn 4 July 2015 21: 47
            -4
            You go to the mosque, talk with the locals, still stands with our services if you know anyone to talk to. What are you talking about ?! Are you talking about the average official from the National Security Council? Lawmakers are so pot-bellied of barbecue?
            CCCP, laws and understanding of the truth unfortunately everything in Kazakhstan.
      2. Dawn
        Dawn 4 July 2015 21: 29
        -6
        Vitaly either sit and be silent or if you live in KZ - then do not be cunning. Poroshenko and our khan are two different things. Don’t confuse your finger and I’ll repeat it again. NAS already said everything and showed it with deeds. This is not the case, everyone understands who is here, and of course we are peaceful, although I did not say that the Maidan people. The fool is not on, okay?
        1. Agarkov Vitaliy
          Agarkov Vitaliy 4 July 2015 21: 34
          +4
          Then show me what the insanity of ANAS is.
      3. Talgat
        Talgat 4 July 2015 21: 55
        +6
        I fully support Vitaly! NASA has a lot of mistakes - perhaps forced - but there is no "marasmus" and never was! Such statements are an insult to us all.
        1. Dawn
          Dawn 4 July 2015 21: 59
          -7
          For us, you don’t say if you graduated from school. The logic is simple - I am against it, so it’s not all, Talgat. School finished at the last desk?
        2. Dawn
          Dawn 4 July 2015 22: 15
          -4
          I fully support Vitali you write. Will you hold him a guy or member or membership card? Still writing something. You have also patched Vitalik with a woman, well, not good, not good ...
          1. Agarkov Vitaliy
            Agarkov Vitaliy 4 July 2015 22: 26
            +3
            Quote: Aube
            I fully support Vitali you write. Will you hold him a guy or member or membership card? Still writing something. You have also patched Vitalik with a woman, well, not good, not good ...

            Listen, you look like an outspoken troll now. Already on the person began to pass. Do you really care? Did he support me or not? You better answer the question. Why do you consider Nazarbayev a senile?
    2. Semurg
      Semurg 4 July 2015 21: 27
      +1
      Quote: Aube
      Kazakhstan is falling apart due to corruption, clans fighting, a weakening president against insanity, the mentality of the people, etc. Maidan is the tenth twentieth. Just as the Arabs soon again from Mercier to Ishakov we will transfer and that’s all. And the return from sociality to the khanate is simply a fact.

      I remembered the film Boulevard of the Capuchins and Boyarsky's speech about the United States, who played the role of a bandit, "This country will be ruined by corruption and theft laughing ". True, the film was not missed at first by the censorship, perhaps the analogies they had are not good.
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      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 4 July 2015 21: 43
        +2
        Quote: Semurg
        Quote: Aube
        Kazakhstan is falling apart due to corruption, clans fighting, a weakening president against insanity, the mentality of the people, etc. Maidan is the tenth twentieth. Just as the Arabs soon again from Mercier to Ishakov we will transfer and that’s all. And the return from sociality to the khanate is simply a fact.

        I remembered the film Boulevard of the Capuchins and Boyarsky's speech about the United States, who played the role of a bandit, "This country will be ruined by corruption and theft laughing ". True, the film was not missed at first by the censorship, perhaps the analogies they had are not good.

        And I, by your association, remembered the film "White Sun of the Desert" and "Officers" the first series ... hi Soon, perhaps it will be so again .. ??? (no offense) It's just a shame for the state ...
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 4 July 2015 21: 55
          +2
          Well, of course, in Russia, it’s time to help neighbors help laughing What insults just blood will flow, won’t Agarkov if you have to catapult from the south of Kazakhstan to the Russian Federation.
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        3. Netrocker
          Netrocker 6 July 2015 10: 46
          -1
          As for the Basmachis, this is not about Kazakhstan, there have never been any ...
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2015 10: 54
            -1
            for the sake of truth
            1. Netrocker
              Netrocker 6 July 2015 14: 38
              0
              The speeches against Soviet power in the former Kokand Khanate and speeches on the territory of Kazakhstan were somewhat different in scope and on various grounds, such as English influence ...
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2015 14: 42
                0
                Quote: Netrocker
                here they never were ...
                и
                Quote: Netrocker
                slightly different in scope

                agree that a few different things
    4. Talgat
      Talgat 4 July 2015 21: 58
      +4
      Quote: Aube
      Kazakhstan is falling apart

      It’s in your head that something is falling apart in my opinion
      1. Dawn
        Dawn 4 July 2015 22: 06
        -4
        In your opinion, the ss may be right against the wind, behind a yurt. So what? And about brain medicine, you first graduated from a former good Soviet high school, where now in the KZ there are some Turks and mambas for the session lamb.
  33. zinger
    zinger 4 July 2015 21: 39
    +1
    water sharpens the stone, and if Nazarbayev does not give a tough rebuff to the false democrats, virgin lands can crack. And the first step in such a rebuff would be the assignment of the status of a foreign agent to some NGOs funded from abroad
    1. Dawn
      Dawn 4 July 2015 21: 50
      -1
      Yeah, the water sharpens the yurt, and it’s easier for the Kazakh to escape, there’s where, we are nomads on a quick coup. Like in the movie Brother 2 - where it is warmer there and the house.
  34. anfreezer
    anfreezer 4 July 2015 22: 33
    +6
    "3) Geopolitics - Gumilev very clearly explained. Why for thousands of years all the Eurasian peoples have regularly united together against the Chinese or against Europe - this is already fate - we are not China and not Europe and not the Arab world - we are the union of the great steppe and the Orthodox .." and Eurasia is our land (all - and not only Kazakhstan) good drinks
    1. sap
      sap 5 July 2015 17: 24
      -3
      The main thing in this union is to correctly emphasize. Russians should not forget what it cost them to educate the Kazakhs, and the Kazakhs should not forget who they taught them how to stand. And then neither Tony Blair and the Nazarbayev are afraid of our two co-ethnic groups.
      1. Netrocker
        Netrocker 6 July 2015 10: 49
        +1
        taught to express? !!! Well, you kid big opinion of yourself! laughing
        You still haven’t learned how to soak the porches, but you can see the s.r.a.t. in forms from the stroller! bully
  35. alfons xv
    alfons xv 4 July 2015 23: 29
    -7
    It’s just a scandal. Near Russia in the form of Kazakhstan, there is a solid center of parasites headed by Nazarbayev and his family. All rot attracts parasites like a magnet. Apparently Russian special services are sleeping, or they have been bribed by Tony Blair long ago.
  36. Kadex
    Kadex 4 July 2015 23: 41
    +2
    Yes, everything will be normal. Do not express)
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 5 July 2015 01: 10
      +2
      Quote: KADEX
      Yes, everything will be normal. Do not express)

      I agree..! Break through all the same! Hold on to Kazakhstan .. We still have to stick together!
  37. bbss
    bbss 5 July 2015 01: 38
    0
    Still wanting suicide nation.
  38. Alex Danilov
    Alex Danilov 5 July 2015 02: 32
    -1
    Nazarbayev is a strong politician. Lukashenko, too. However, this is all crap. WE BECOME EVERYTHING NECESSARY IN RUSSIA, HOME. Become Russia, become part of Russia forever and forever. Until other stupid rulers came and did not lead-against Russia.
  39. doc67
    doc67 5 July 2015 04: 42
    +3
    They are trying to drag Kazakhstan into the same cesspool, into which Ukraine fell. Only hardly succeed.
  40. doc67
    doc67 5 July 2015 04: 46
    0
    Quote: Alex Danilov
    Nazarbayev is a strong politician. Lukashenko, too. However, this is all crap. WE BECOME EVERYTHING NECESSARY IN RUSSIA, HOME. Become Russia, become part of Russia forever and forever. Until other stupid rulers came and did not lead-against Russia.

    Do not back to Russia. Let's live as we lived - on our own, but with our own mind and in harmony. Then everything will be all right.
  41. lonovila
    lonovila 5 July 2015 06: 30
    -2
    - There has never been and is no special stability in Kazakhstan under the National Academy of Sciences ... - What are many people talking about here ..?
    - It's just that Kazakhstan (under Nan-e), during the time when complete arbitrariness and complete devastation reigned in Russia in the early 90s, managed to pinch off (it just fell into its own hands) many benefits from Russia (factories, mines, oil and gas fields) and territories that never belonged to Kazakhstan ... - the whole, the so-called Northern Kazakhstan .., in fact, the Petropavlovsk, Semipalatinsk, Pavlodar and Ural regions (these are the historical lands of the Ural, Orenburg, Siberian, Semirechensky and Altai Cossacks) ...
    Yes, and the so-called artificially created Kazakh Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic itself in the 20s was first part of the RSFSR ... Until 1925, the Kazakhs were called Kyrgyz or Kyrgyz-Kaisak. -That later, in 1937, the Kazakh Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic became the Kazakh SSR and became part of the USSR ... -For the Kazakhs, their own republic (for themselves) was created by Russians ... -Rodoxically ... -but a fact ...
    - Yes, this is history and everyone can easily read about the "creation" of the Kazakh SSR ... - There is no secret in that ...
    - And with the "fall" of the USSR, Russia simply had no time to find out and arrange any territorial legal "showdowns" ... - Besides, the president of Russia then, for many years, became a drunkard and EBN ... - So Russia took upon itself all the debts of the former USSR (including the debts of the then fifteen republics created by it), but to itself ... everything of its own (created by itself) ... - to take "forgot" ... - So, in particular, Russia pays rent to Kazakhstan for its own (built by Russia) Baikonur (and not only that) ...
    - Yes, and all the so-called "prosperity" of Kazakhstan is largely based on bungling (or even criminal negligence and bribery) of Russian functionaries, who have concluded many agreements with Kazakhstan that are absolutely unnecessary and not beneficial for Russia ... - Omsk suffered especially the region where the governor "ruled" for almost 20 years, a native of Kazakhstan - Polezhaev L.K ... - During this period, the previously prosperous Omsk region turned into such a backward region that it’s scary to think ... - Until now, Omsk CHPPs are working on Kazakh Ekibaztu brown coal, crushed stone from Kazakh mines, which has a "radioactive hazard", is imported to Omsk for the construction of houses and roads .., very often, pickled grain is imported from Kazakhstan to Omsk for processing (although the "Omsk" wheat at least heaps) and so on .. ...
    -And I am setting out all this not in order to sow, as now they have learned to speak very quickly ... -Sow ethnic strife ... -Yes, how quickly "many" all "similar statements" so easily learned to translate into this "plane", but in order to shed light on the facts really "having to be" ...
    - I don’t think that after the National Academy of Sciences, something positive can happen in Kazakhstan ... - The National Academy of Sciences could not get away from the feudal influence, the so-called Kazakh zhuzes ... -Actually .., somehow strange ... - It seems that the Kazakhs themselves call themselves modern people, and what if zhuzes ..? - Then just one thing ...
    -NAN tried to sit on two (even three) "chairs" (Russia, China, USA), but this period ends ... -No real optimism for the future ... -there is simply no ...
    -Nothing "personal" .., I didn't want to humiliate or offend anyone ...
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 5 July 2015 08: 54
      +2
      as you say, Russians have grabbed Ekibastuz quarries and are now driving cheap coal in Russia, and the difference between the expensive energy and heat generated by Omsk CHP on cheap Ekibastuz coal has been pocketed, but the Kazakhs were to blame laughing , the logic of kaida orysym fool ?
      1. lonovila
        lonovila 5 July 2015 09: 27
        -1
        - From Ekibastuz coal it is good only to "produce" ash .., not "cheap energy" ... - Has anyone in the whole world still "coveted" this coal .., except ..? -And for one and for radioactive Kazakh crushed stone ..? -And on stale Kazakh grain etched with pesticides ..? -That would be one Kazakh zhuz and would push all this "good" to other Kazakh zhuz in your sovereign Kazakhstan ... -that would enrich themselves among themselves ... -Who (or what) does not allow you to do this ..? -Americans .., Chinese ..?
        -A Polezhaev L.K. , perhaps more, even than the National Academy of Sciences itself, Kazakhstan "made friends" ... - Probably it is time to erect a monument to him in Astana ...
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        2. Semurg
          Semurg 5 July 2015 12: 00
          +5
          once again I’ll write for coal this is the business of your own Russians, well, and you continue to continue your nonsense about Zhuz and Americans with Chinese fool . Previously, though it was organically crying that the Kazakhs of the local Russians were expelled and robbed, but it turns out that the damned caught up with the expelled Russians and undertook to supply them with coal-uranium also poisoned wheat, which, in your words, the Russians cry in the anek but continue to eat laughing. In general, the order for your enchanting nonsense.
          1. lonovila
            lonovila 5 July 2015 13: 34
            -3
            -When did I "cry" .., mister b ... n ..?
            -And what are the disadvantages a little ..? - Still not all zhuzes were tightened, perhaps ..?
            -And soon you will have to cry like you ... -I bet ...
            -This way you are portraying yourself here ... -not that case ... -You will later express these "elbasy-sausages" ... -Say also that you are a descendant of "Genghis Khan", a hero from a toilet roll. ., a semi-feudal creature ...
            -And time will tell who will sob later and run to the Russians for help .., as always ... -Yes, we will help .., of course, it will be painfully compassionate to cry ... -Where will we go ... -So Do not be afraid ... -Go to further ...
            1. Talgat
              Talgat 6 July 2015 12: 07
              +1
              Quote: lonovila
              And why is it not enough cons ..?



              Yes, please, here - get
            2. Netrocker
              Netrocker 6 July 2015 14: 09
              0
              Well, a creature comes to you, certainly no one will come running! wassat
              They are most likely running away from you ... What, did the guy throw it or does it hit the seasonal PMS in the head? wassat
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    3. Netrocker
      Netrocker 6 July 2015 14: 05
      -2
      It’s because of such moron chauvinists like you that appear, the so-called Russophobes! laughing
      And then the Russians start to wonder: "Why doesn't anyone love us ?! Why are yesterday's allies becoming" cool "to us ?!"

      For your information, half two-thirds of Russia is not Russian lands at all! The Russians over the Wave only under Ivan the Terrible hit, not to mention the Orenburg region! For your information, the city of Orenburg appeared only as the headquarters of the khan of the Younger Zhuz Ablai khan, and Omsk is the land of the Siberian Khanate and ethnic Kazakhs of that time living in it!
      Well, the fact that illiterate officials of tsarist Russia called the Kazakhs Kyrgyz-Kaysaks - this is precisely because of their limited horizons, since the people have been calling themselves the word KAZAK since the 15th century!
      As for your surprise, so the Kazakhs, unlike you rootless, know not only their Zhuz, but also their tribe and clan, as well as their fathers up to the 7th generation - they keep the Shezhira family tree and can track their ancestors back centuries, unlike again from you - without a clan, without a tribe!
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2015 14: 12
        +1
        Quote: Netrocker
        and ethnic Kazakhs living in it at that time!

        So Kazakhstan is the land of Russian living in it at this time?
        Quote: Netrocker
        Unlike you rootless ...
        unlike you again - without a clan, without a tribe!

        I understand that you have blue blood?
        1. Netrocker
          Netrocker 6 July 2015 14: 43
          0
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          So Kazakhstan is the land of Russian living in it at this time?


          What Kazakhstan is already being taken from the Russians living in it? If you write the name of my country, then write with a capital letter, you don’t like it if the word Russia is written with a small one? Or are you doing this purely? Although that you take another troll?

          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          I understand that you have blue blood?


          "Blue bloods" are all sorts of gayropean dynasties in our country, while here they are ordinary noble families, if we speak Russian, that is. who know their roots! Well, if you do not know who you are and where you are from, then you are HOLY! Got it?
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2015 14: 57
            0
            Quote: Netrocker
            What Kazakhstan is already being taken from the Russians living in it?

            Kazakh National Battalions Yes
            Quote: Netrocker
            you don't like it

            you will poke your finger in the anus
            Quote: Netrocker
            Or are you doing this purely?

            you have too high an opinion of yourself
            Quote: Netrocker
            Although that you take another troll?

            a favorite way for people like you, as soon as there’s nothing to answer they accuse of trolling
            Quote: Netrocker
            and in our country it’s the usual noble, if you speak Russian, i.e. knowing their roots!

            as always use the terms read what it means
  42. YGV-97219
    YGV-97219 5 July 2015 11: 42
    +1
    Quote: Altar
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    that is, we will not perceive the opinion of the Crimeans themselves?


    In international relations, the first thing is to comply with the agreement themselves and signed.
    The Helsinki agreements on the inviolability of the post-war borders signed by the USSR and adopted by the legal successor of Russia are violated.
    1996 Budapest Nuclear Disarmament Agreement of Ukraine. Where, in exchange for disarmament, Russia, England, France, the United States in writing guaranteed Ukraine territorial integrity, they were violated. (If Ukraine retained nuclear weapons, the current situation would not exist)
    Agreement between Ukraine and Russia on the Black Sea Fleet 2008. Where, as a separate line, Russia undertakes to respect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine, are violated.

    If the whole world follows the path of Russia, the world will plunge into a mess. 2 million Hungarians of Romanian Transylvania will require accession to Hungary. Quebec State joining France. Buryats to Mongolia, etc. That is to prevent all this from happening and the Helsinki Accords be signed.

    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    what is this about ?!


    And this is about the fact that Kazakhstan does not call Ukrainians fascists and Bandera. English and French by geyropists. Russian skinheads and chauvinists.
    And this is that in
    Kazakhstan is not called Ukrainians fascists and Bandera. English and French by geyropists.
    Do you live in Kazakhstan? No? But I live and I know for sure that that's what they are called! As for the Russians, I agree with you I have not heard that!
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 5 July 2015 12: 07
      0
      they don’t call them that, except for those who watch nothing except the Russian media.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 5 July 2015 12: 39
        -4
        Quote: Semurg
        they don’t call them that, except for those who watch nothing except the Russian media.

        once again, that is, today's Ukrainians can not be called Bandera?
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 5 July 2015 13: 22
          +2
          Ukrainians are Ukrainians. It’s clear that Kanesh recognizes that fighting with the Ukrainians somehow does not allow education and memory, so you need to make a substitution for Bandera, hi so comfortable?
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 5 July 2015 16: 20
            -2
            gentlemen "Kazakhs" weakly answer the question directly?
            What is the substitution of concepts the leadership of the state "ukrAina" recognized Bandera as a hero, the day of the Ukrainian army is the day of the creation of the UPA so who forgive today Ukrainians - BANDEROVTSY
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 5 July 2015 18: 23
              -2
              apparently WEAKLY !!!
              1. Semurg
                Semurg 5 July 2015 19: 18
                +2
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                apparently WEAKLY !!!

                Mr. Vasilenko on weakly takes laughing , camping in one place childhood did not disappear request ... Kanesh yourself, you can even call them "beasts" even "kalbits" or "Bandera", but this will not stop them being Ukrainians.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 5 July 2015 19: 41
                  -2
                  as always, thought flowed on a plate
                  and Ukrainians can be Bandera, even though there is enough courage to answer this ?!
                2. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 6 July 2015 13: 59
                  +2
                  Quote: Semurg
                  Kanesh yourself, you can even call them "beasts" even "kalbits" or "Bandera", but this will not stop them being Ukrainians.

                  Salam brother. I’ll take off a photo of Azerbaijani Bender, so everyone will get here)))
                  The hand depicts the symbol of the Bozgurds (gray wolves)
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 6 July 2015 14: 15
                    0
                    Quote: Yeraz
                    Symbol of the Bozgurds (gray wolves)

                    who are they?
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  43. provincial
    provincial 5 July 2015 11: 48
    0
    Do not worry, Kazakh-ATA will solve this problem. This is not an Armenian president.
  44. antidote
    antidote 5 July 2015 11: 49
    +3
    Marginals are everywhere. The United States and its satellites will always and everywhere rock the situation. In the Republic of Kazakhstan, as elsewhere, there are their residents. they will be paid, they will be crap. It’s hard to imagine at the moment so that they can influence the situation. The only thing you can do now is to rock the topic of Kazakh nationalism among the poor strata of youth. But we must not forget that Kazakhstan is not only Kazakhs and Russians.
    In large regions, strata of other nationalities are very strong - Uyghurs, Koreans, Chechens, Turks. and in the case of some mess, they will obviously be on the side of strong power.
  45. romb
    romb 5 July 2015 13: 05
    +3
    Maidan in Kazakhstan arranged by the State Department? Unlikely! The destabilization of Kazakhstan is not beneficial to the Americans. They are well represented in certain sectors of the Kazakhstani economy without any Maidans. And they certainly will not destroy the business model of effective interstate cooperation built over many years. There are no fools sitting there, believing in the possibility of creating a viable puppet regime, ready to aggravate relations with its two large neighbors in order to satisfy US ambitions. I also understand when Ukraine quite reasonably wants and goes to the European home: a common culture and history, ethnic and religious identity. With Kazakhstan, everything is not so simple, and first of all, precisely because of the mentality of the Kazakhs. We really want to expand our cooperation with the West in many areas of activity, because we believe that it is they who have something to learn, and today they are the only real leaders in the world - this is the opinion of a significant part of the Kazakhs. But we also do not intend to thoughtlessly adopt their individual values ​​that run counter to our folk traditions and mentality. What we need from the West is not a "sexual revolution" or an ideology of confrontation, but an example of socio-economic development, a kind of landmark for building a successful state.
  46. Bekas1967
    Bekas1967 5 July 2015 13: 45
    +1
    Quote: blizart
    Some garbage but with a serious look.
    Mr. I don’t have a habit of speaking, much less writing. What do you serve? And I serve! You can be told insider information is offered, and you ... Then what is surprising !? There were times, not only did individuals read the prayer right in the outfit, but the entire battalion of special forces in front of the mullah in the holy place for military purposes — they squatted down the parade ground. Then you misrepresent the Muslim post, but it’s for yourself, yourself - find out, look there. I have no time with ... a likely adversary

    The main and real danger in the RK is Islamic radicalism !!!!! many young people have gone this way !! this must be fought hard and uncompromisingly! Drive all the Arabs from the country! And most importantly make education accessible at all stages !!!
    1. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 5 July 2015 16: 43
      +2
      Quote: Bekas1967
      The main and real danger in RK is Islamic radicalism !!!!
      Bekas1967 you confuse the causes with the effect .. The main and real danger a very large bundle of wealth ... there are too many BAIs.. and Islamic radicalism, that is to say, its growth is secondary and is a direct consequence of social inequality ..
      Quote: Bekas1967
      And the main thing is to make education accessible at all stages !!!
      Secondary, specialty and higher education in the Republic of Kazakhstan is absolutely available.
      According to me, it is even unnecessary for me ..
      Quote: lonovila
      Dear, you just do not disappear, as the user is a pensioner.
      Really smile read your nonsense, this is untold pleasure.
      Dose of vigorous humor for the whole day good laughing
      And you and Vasilenko, I would advise to converge.
      And to you, some muzhichyok in the economy (or household) .. Yes, and he, enough to indulge with the goats .. love bully
  47. Bekas1967
    Bekas1967 5 July 2015 14: 15
    0
    In RK there is a very large stratification by affluence ... there are snickering BAIs that generally belong to the people, they are not considered to be people, they are like IPRAM during the Middle Ages, disenfranchised, uneducated, beggars! Medicine has collapsed, education is mainly corrupt, and all for money. And here Islam !!! here you get it and sign it! if NAN DOES NOT TAKE CARE of the needs of the people, it will end badly (((
  48. kingoff
    kingoff 5 July 2015 14: 42
    +2
    So for such Natsiks as lonovila Russia pushes itself away, Vasilenko’s second coming, only ruder and dumber by an order of magnitude, it seems younger and more aggressive, then there will be more of those with your Russian tacit consent, and when something goes wrong, You will be surprised to clap eyelashes, and the train has already left. Understand for yourself, for example, with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UCW-tmB8F0
    1. lonovila
      lonovila 5 July 2015 15: 47
      0
      -You, Mr kingoff, yourself, from which city ..?
      -Probably you are contemplating the "Asian pastoral" from some Russian town located somewhere in the European part and watch funny KVN programs on TV, where the "Asian students" are all so tolerant and "European" combed and joking and joking, well, just like Europeans ... almost ... -Well, keep making fun of them together ...
      -It is clear that you are not at all for the "Middle Ages" and not for the "fascists" ...
      -And you saw aggressive Kazakh youth ... with knuckles full of fists ... -And these knuckles are stuffed not in order to fight among themselves, but so that the Russian MCH is punched so that this Russian is immediately off its feet ...
      -Previously, our city was completely different .. but after it was flooded ... -it's just some kind of horror ...
      -But Russian youth just behave so peacefully that they don't even try to give some kind of rebuff to such aggression ... -Russian MChs simply get lost and don't know how to behave when they are attacked by such "representatives" .. - I myself have witnessed this more than once ...
      -So you are late with your "predictions" ...
      -Already "went wrong" and already everyone "clap their eyelashes in surprise" and already "the train has already left" ...
      -But you are still right ... -It was we who "screwed up" everything and ourselves allowed it all ...
      -And do not write all sorts of nonsense about some "Natsik" ... -absolutely not addressable ... -Rather, it is completely different, "opposite address" ...
      1. kingoff
        kingoff 5 July 2015 15: 53
        +4
        So the villa means feminine, it means the carcass is completely light, the brain is not affected, as they say. You accidentally did not confuse America, there the blacks competed how to cut down white with one blow. Where are you from? Where are the horrors?
        1. lonovila
          lonovila 5 July 2015 16: 18
          -2
          - Have you heard about such a city of Omsk ..? -No ... -it's not in Alaska and not in California ... -It's somewhere here, in Siberian Russia ... -This city flourished great once .. until somewhere from Kazakhstan is not " the governor Polezhaev LK dragged along to us. and for 20 years of his "reign" did not put our city into nowhere ...
          -It was he who, having close corruption ties with Kazakhstan, formed a large Kazakh lobby in our city ... and, according to this lobby .. -and organized the specifics of the entire "economy" of the city and region ...
          - I have already written about all the "nuances" of such "close cooperation" with Kazakhstan - I just do not want to repeat myself ...
          -What is the city now ... -can easily be recognized ... -a solid "hole" ... -For example ... -for this time, all nearby neighboring cities ... -Novosibirsk, Tyumen, Tomsk and others -On the contrary, they rose and rose above our city as never before ...
          -Yes, why should I explain to you ... -Although about the blacks ... -A very good "analogy" ... -Something you still understand ...
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 5 July 2015 16: 23
      -3
      Quote: kingoff
      So for such Natsik as lonovila pushes Russia

      or maybe it is the Kazakhs who repel Russians because of such people as Maleev?
      or you think what to hear "pig-faced", etc. inspires respect for Kazakhs?
  49. kingoff
    kingoff 5 July 2015 16: 40
    0
    Familiar words, many Russians moving to Russia for permanent residence, note the strange anger of local Russians, ranging from officials to ordinary residents "come in large numbers", "churki" and this is on their own blood Russians! Polezhaev does not mean Russian? Doesn't have the right to live in Omsk? Omsk has always been the ass of Russia, all gloomy memories and gloomy works of F.M. Dostoevsky are associated with this city, so Polezhaev had nothing to spoil there.
  50. kingoff
    kingoff 5 July 2015 16: 46
    -1
    Vasilenko, apparently, the Kazakhs greatly offended you, so what's boiling up to this day? In the Soviet army, there was a popular Russian proverb "every Mr. ends in" o "". laughing
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 5 July 2015 18: 26
      +1
      Quote: kingoff
      Vasilenko apparently Kazakhs greatly offended you, so what is still in full swing?

      I don’t know whether the cops are not satisfied with insulting the vali to Russia, but what does the offense have to do with it?
      you can refute me forward, as a rule, Kazakhs go to the person and move away from the topic of the question, you are a direct example
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