Muammar Gaddafi captured or killed in the Sirta region, conflicting information arrives

Sources in the National Transitional Council of Libya report that the displaced Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi was captured during the fighting near Sirte.


The official representative of the NPS reported on the BBC World Service that the interim government of Libya is verifying the seizure of Gaddafi and is not yet officially able to confirm it.

According to him, it is known that in the Sirta region a “large figure” has been captured, which is now being delivered to Misrata. However, it is up to the NPS Special Representative to establish the identity of the captured person.

It is assumed that it will take several hours to confirm or refute the information about the capture of Gaddafi.

Meanwhile, Reuters reports referring to a high-ranking commander of the NPS troops that Gaddafi died from his injuries. This information is not yet confirmed from other sources.

Earlier, the representative of the NPS, Abdel Majid, said that Gaddafi was injured in both legs.

The news agency Tavasul reports the words of one of the field commanders of the transitional government of Libya, who claims that "the suspected criminal Muammar Gaddafi was captured by one of the revolutionary battalions Misrata, he is sent to Misrata."

Celebrations

Another commander of the NPS units, Mohammed Leit, told AFP news agency that Gaddafi was seriously injured. “He was captured. He is seriously injured, but he is still breathing,” said a representative of the transitional government forces.

Leith noted that he had seen captured Gaddafi, who, he said, was wearing a khaki uniform.

Reuters reports referring to representatives of the NPC that Gaddafi was captured when he tried to leave Sirt in a convoy of cars that came under attack by NATO forces.

After the Libyan TV channels reported on the seizure of Gaddafi, spontaneous celebrations began on the streets of Libyan cities. Car drivers are constantly honking, you can hear the sounds of shots in the air.

Netherlands Prime Minister Mark Rutte expressed the hope that Gaddafi will soon appear before the Hague war crimes tribunal.

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said at a joint press conference with Rutte that the fate of Gaddafi "must be decided by the Libyan people."

Colonel Gaddafi, who ruled Libya for 42 years, was dismissed in August, when armed NPS supporters took the capital of the country, Tripoli.



Muammar Gaddafi captured or killed in the Sirta region, conflicting information arrives

Photo - frame video, which the Libyan rebels provided the media today, October 20 after capturing Sirte


Gaddafi supporters deny his doom



Muammar Gaddafi supporters television website denies newsthat the leader was killed or captured.

"The reports that NATO footmen are hawking about the capture or death of Muammar Gaddafi are unfounded," said Al-Libiya TV channel. "Gaddafi's health is in order. Statements that Gaddafi is killed or injured are just rumors."

"This is not the first time they are turning to this type of misinformation," added supporters of the overthrown Libyan leader.

Do not confirm reports of the death or capture of Gaddafi, Libyan officials and NATO, the TV channel Al-Jazeera.

Meanwhile, the photo, which probably depicts the dead Muammar Gaddafi, was placed at the disposal of journalists. The picture is published on the website of the British newspaper The Guardian. It shows the bloody body of a former Libyan leader.

The representative of the Transitional National Council of Libya, the new Libyan authorities said that the body of Gaddafi is expected to be delivered to the city of Misurata in the near future. But, according to Reuters, the body of the colonel for security reasons was sent to some secret place.

Earlier today, world media reported the death of the former Libyan leader. According to incoming data, Gaddafi died as a result of injuries in the city of Sirte.

The troops of the Transitional National Council of Libya on October 20 announced the complete capture of Sirte, the hometown of the ousted Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi. October 17 reported that the rebels captured the city of Bani Walid, located in 170 km southeast of the Libyan capital Tripoli. Bani Walid, along with Sirte, was considered one of the last bastions of resistance by supporters of the ousted Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi to the new authorities in the PNS.

Mass demonstrations against Muammar Gaddafi, who had ruled the country for more than 40 years, began in Libya in mid-February 2011.



US State Department does not confirm the death of Gaddafi



Muammar Gaddafi captured today in the Sirta district. According to representatives of the Transitional National Council (PNS), the overthrown Libyan leader was wounded in the legs.

According to available information, after the seizure of the PNS detachment by Sirte, the colonel, along with other functionaries of the fallen regime, tried to escape by car from his hometown. Dozens of cars left Sirte and headed west, toward Misurata. After a while, the convoy was attacked. aviation NATO, after which it was overtaken by the formation of the new authorities, which detained Gaddafi. The wounded leader of the Jamahiriya was taken from the place of shelling by ambulance. It is known that several other members of Gaddafi’s entourage were arrested, including the son of Colonel Muatasim and intelligence head Abdullah al-Senussi. During the detention of the colonel, the Minister of Defense of the ousted regime Abu Bakr Eunice Jabr was killed.

Controversial information continues to flow. According to Qatari television channel Al-Jazeera, according to unconfirmed information, Muammar Gaddafi was killed.

The fate of the overthrown Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, who was captured today, must be decided by the Libyan people. This was stated by Russian President Dmitry Medvedev.

"Libya should become a modern political state," Medvedev said. "And the Libyans themselves must decide the fate of Gaddafi," the Russian president added.

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  1. Vadivak 20 October 2011 17: 31 New
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    Sorry, if true, there was hope. But he died like a hero in battle and not with a rope around his neck
    1. Motherland
      Motherland 20 October 2011 18: 08 New
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      He died as a hero, he built the country himself, and he will be shown to the world as the next "bloody dictator"
      1. Uhalus 20 October 2011 22: 40 New
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        Right! And the vaunted Hague tribunal has long turned into a farce, where they play only what the owners order.
        Sorry... :(
    2. Alex63
      Alex63 21 October 2011 15: 25 New
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      Cattle rejoices. A crowd that believed the tales of the EU, NATO and the USA and lynched its rightful ruler is not able to build a democratic society. And in general, what is this - the Middle East and democracy. Throw a stone at me if there is at least one Muslim democratic state. All statehood in the countries of Africa and the Middle East rests on strong power. Take away this power and chaos sets in. All Asian and Middle East projects of NATO and the USA are aimed at weakening the positions of Russia and gaining access to the oil feeder. The West is least concerned about the internal problems of these countries. But Gaddafi is sorry. He did not perceive the situation. The opposition needed to be crushed.
      1. dna
        dna 21 October 2011 20: 28 New
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        Are you serious about a legitimate ruler? This is under what laws a person who came to power as a result of a putsch is the legal ruler? And why is he sorry, and thousands of his victims (I'm not even talking about Lockerbie, but only about Libyans)?

        It seems that the legitimacy of power and how pathetically deposed, lynched dictators depend on how much this dictator confronts the West. Something nobody here especially Pinochet regrets.
        1. Alex63
          Alex63 22 October 2011 13: 42 New
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          Time will tell who is right.
      2. Motherland
        Motherland 22 October 2011 13: 55 New
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        Throw a stone at me if there are any "democratic" states ....
        And Gaddafi did not believe about the "coup" to the last.
  2. DEfindER 20 October 2011 17: 43 New
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    He said that he would die for Libya, and would never run away from his native country .. Actually, if this is true, then he really died as a hero in his native land in the city where he was born, in the country that he himself created!
    Without Gaddafi, Libya will not be a fact, there will simply be a US base for the protection and production of oil .. and crowds of homeless people constantly fighting among themselves, which in fact are now in countries where Pindosses visited ..
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      ZHORA 20 October 2011 17: 46 New
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      And at the hands of his people!
      1. DEfindER 20 October 2011 17: 58 New
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        What are you talking about, among the diarrhea there are practically no Libyans themselves, mainly Mujahideen, Alkaida, and mercenaries from Central Asia, and from the Libyans there were only migrants who came to work, and ordinary people there were so frightened that they were ready to fly any flags just to not killed ..
      2. подводник 20 October 2011 18: 52 New
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        At the hands of the mercenaries of PoNOS
        1. dna
          dna 21 October 2011 20: 30 New
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          I did not even know that diarrhea is so rich that 90% of the Libyan population can be hired to overthrow Gaddafi alone. Cool.
  3. ZHORA
    ZHORA 20 October 2011 17: 45 New
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    and at the hands of his people
  4. cohort
    cohort 20 October 2011 17: 50 New
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    Time to leave a great art. It is a pity for a man, there is no ruler.
    1. Uhalus 20 October 2011 22: 47 New
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      And look in comparison: Libya was the most prosperous country in comparison with Egypt, Syria and other neighbors. And the Libyans, who studied at our academy, left a memory of themselves as responsible and decent people (in contrast to immigrants from ... some other lands). So he is a ruler, maybe he was not perfect, but very decent. Compare with Syria: there they did not stand on ceremony with the demonstrators and spat on all the world's cries for humanism.
  5. Glenn witcher 20 October 2011 18: 05 New
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    Pohnos and Al Jazeera. The probability of the truth of the news tends to zero.
  6. Pole 20 October 2011 18: 12 New
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    I really hope that this is another run!
    Let's wait for rebuttals ... or confirmations.
  7. Ostwind 20 October 2011 18: 23 New
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    He was a brave man, sorry ...
  8. Civil 20 October 2011 18: 23 New
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    Colonel Muammar Gaddafi died the death of the brave in battle. rip
  9. Pole 20 October 2011 18: 24 New
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    Don’t you bury him !!!! It's too early!!!!
  10. Motherland
    Motherland 20 October 2011 18: 24 New
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    In general, NATO could kill Gaddafi at any moment, and now, due to unrest in the EU and the USA, the war has apparently become unnecessary or unprofitable. The next 2 weeks in the United States will come up with something about him.
  11. Rustam 20 October 2011 18: 25 New
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    sorry !!! I think these ushlebki and killed him
  12. Pole 20 October 2011 18: 29 New
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    "Earlier, the Al-Libya television station, supporting the colonel, warned of the possibility of fabricated pictures and videos appearing on the air."

    "Meanwhile, the Iraqi television station Ar-Rai, which became the mouthpiece of the Libyan leader, earlier today reported that Gaddafi and his son Seyf al-Islam still managed to escape from the encirclement in Sirte and are in a safe place." .

    “According to Pervin Mammadzadeh, correspondent of ITAR-TASS, from Rabat, Al-Libiya TV channel, which also supported Gaddafi, has denied today information in the media that the colonel was captured or killed.” Information circulated by NATO minions about the capture or death of Gaddafi, do not have any grounds, the report said. “This is nothing more than rumors, and not the first case of using misinformation designed to undermine the morale of resistance fighters.”
  13. Ivan Tarasov 20 October 2011 18: 33 New
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    You can not trust the Western media.
    For example, the frames that we see do not tell us anything.
    I think it's worth waiting for the official media report of the Jamahiriya.
  14. lightforcer
    lightforcer 20 October 2011 18: 37 New
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    But CNN and the Air Force say that he was not killed, but captured. However, instead of the colonel, in the news they again showed shooters in the sky shouting “Allahu akbar”.
  15. Cross
    Cross 20 October 2011 18: 38 New
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    As Stanislavsky said, "I do not believe it!".
    until there is overwhelming evidence of the death of Gaddafi, I will consider this info deuse.
    Khamis was “killed” 8 times, hell knows how many times the snowstorm was driven that the Colonel fled from Libya ... When is the new portion of fairy tales from NATO?
  16. Draz 20 October 2011 18: 59 New
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    I DO NOT BELIEVE!!
    Such a man, worthy of respect and to be set as an example, could not just take and be captured and killed on the street like some student wandering around the courtyards after studying in the evening! angry

    On the other hand, if he died, then the colonel was a symbol of whether it is worth lowering the morale of the troops recourse
  17. Toroptsev
    Toroptsev 20 October 2011 19: 17 New
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    No faith in this lie!
  18. Tolia
    Tolia 20 October 2011 19: 25 New
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    Yes, all of Tripoli and Benghazi are already celebrating ...
  19. Patriot
    Patriot 20 October 2011 19: 28 New
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    Still, the whole west as vultures fell upon an independent country in which Gaddafi maintained a very high standard of living for Africa. Probably, during his reign, he screwed up a little nuts of glasnost, freedom of speech, ... And some of them yearned for these PSEUDO BASES of the WESTERN SOCIETY. And, probably, part of his people went over to the side of the PNS generated by the West. That is OK. It seems to me that in the coming years they will have a great opportunity to be disappointed in their choice and regret their deeds.

    However, as well as many of our citizens who sold their country for Coke, jeans and chewing gum, actively supporting Yeltsin-Putin liberals.
  20. Kyrgyz 20 October 2011 19: 51 New
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    Sorry, I was rooting for him, although of course he was doomed. It should have been becoming our friend before
    1. Astartes 20 October 2011 21: 06 New
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      O was always a friend of the Soviet Union, only Medvedput threw him, as in his time the drunk Yeltsin surrendered Serbia
      1. maksim 20 October 2011 23: 20 New
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        5 +, I always thought the same thing, I’m not alone, but Gaddafi’s death is again that the USA ran out of money earlier than usual to support NATO’s operation in Libya, which country is next
  21. sir
    sir 20 October 2011 19: 53 New
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    I wonder what Gaddafi himself thinks about this, if of course he is alive
  22. ICV Stryker
    ICV Stryker 20 October 2011 20: 02 New
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    America will pay for it
  23. PSih2097 20 October 2011 20: 13 New
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    Muammar Gaddafi captured or killed in the Sirte region

    It is interesting, but where is the confirmation of these facts, when they took Saddam, then they trumpeted all the channels about it, but here only photos, and of very poor quality ...
  24. figwam 20 October 2011 20: 22 New
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    If he died, then he died in faith in his cause to which he devoted his whole life.
    1. maksim 20 October 2011 23: 23 New
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      It’s not right that some who decide the fate of the whole world in 4 years
  25. escobar
    escobar 20 October 2011 21: 25 New
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    Gaddafi’s fox is cunning, perhaps it’s a double. People of his level of power and wealth often have doubles. And if he died, diarrhea will soon erupt and a protracted civil war and a split in the country are possible
    1. Nick 20 October 2011 22: 44 New
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      Even if the death of Colonel Gaddafi is true, this still does not mean the victory of the Ponosovists, and NATO members must be punished for violating UN resolutions. It is a pity that our DAM has a thin gut word against Americans to utter a gut.
  26. fellow misha 20 October 2011 21: 35 New
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    I saw the capture footage when he was still alive, apparently there was already no strength to stand, but he held on with dignity knowing that they would kill him now - the death of a hero, the death of a patriot of his homeland, in the last minutes of his life he would inspire his compatriots to fight the invaders and their henchmen who exchanged their homeland on green pieces of paper.
    1. maksim 20 October 2011 23: 26 New
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      he will rightfully be a martyr of Islam-allahu akbar
  27. miland 20 October 2011 21: 38 New
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    It is unfortunate if Gaddafi died ... And NATO has once again proved who the "resident evil" is. I will not be mistaken if I say that if it were not for NATO (and not only bombing, but also mercenaries, etc.), then what the hell would these rebels have accomplished!
  28. servolk56
    servolk56 20 October 2011 21: 42 New
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    Comrades, this is dog crap !!! the West has long adopted Goebbels' propaganda — the more monstrous a lie, the more willingly the masses believe in it. The cattle picks up this news as they once shook the "destruction" of Bin Laden.
    Discrepancy No. 1 - shortly before the “annihilation”, the horned wife of a blowjob lover, Clinton, arrived in Tripoli, who in her speech ambiguously hinted that Gaddafi should not be destroyed in the near future.
    Discrepancy No. 2 - the situation in Sirte is not in the least controlled by rats from the PNS, which any sane person can pick up even from the official headlines of newspapers, where each time it is said about the next capture of Sirte.
    Discrepancy No. 3 - we have already encountered the “hasty funeral” of Bin Laden, which clearly turned out to be a Photoshop fake ... apparently the West made conclusions for itself and provided a poor quality photo with an incomprehensible motive .. really rats of the PNS did not have a suitable camera, and the expression "sent to a secret place" casts doubt.

    Conclusion - the situation with Gaddafi is not so simple ... here, as in the saying "the king died - long live the king" .. Gaddafi has many sons, whose political role can be comparable to that of his father ... because the price of losing in Libya is the price of their homeland .....
  29. Grenader 20 October 2011 21: 43 New
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    Sad, sorry Colonel. a real man was. Could escape but fought to the last, the hero in a word. And we will beat the Pindos.
    1. Tolia
      Tolia 20 October 2011 21: 53 New
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      Are you still here? Go to the rescue of the Gaddafi’s cause, and there only Negroes are already fighting for it, on TV they only showed not a single Russian patriot.
      1. dna
        dna 21 October 2011 04: 24 New
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        I agree. If the Colonel is so sorry, and there is a desire to beat the "Pindos", then what is sitting on this site? I think the mercenaries of Gaddafi gladly accept volunteers.
        1. Banshee 21 October 2011 11: 07 New
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          And then you are not in the ranks of diarrhea? They also need people. And here, think for it (if you did not know) people express their opinions. And, if Gaddafi behaved like a peasant, having fulfilled all his promises, then why cannot this be noted?

          Yes, two morons are power ...
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            dna 21 October 2011 20: 41 New
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            It is not clear what promises Gaddafi kept. At first he hid like a rat, and then was overtaken in an attempt to further escape. And he hid in Sirte, and not outside of Libya, most likely because he knew that if he escaped from Libya, he would sooner or later end up in The Hague.

            The comment would rather be directed not at the Grenadier personally, but at all those who commented that their hands itch in Libya and in other places to beat Pindos. My hands do not itch especially hard to beat, so I don’t see why you consider me obliged to join the American or any other army.
            1. Grenader 21 October 2011 23: 03 New
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              And Sirte, in your opinion, is not in Libya?
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                dna 21 October 2011 23: 16 New
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                And hid in Sirte, and not out Libya


                In my opinion, I did not say that Sirte is outside Libya ...
                1. Banshee 21 October 2011 23: 27 New
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                  In one of his speeches, Gaddafi said that he would remain in Libya in spite of what the result would be and would fight to the end.

                  Hid like a rat, directing his troops in the besieged city ... Hmm, you have a strange notion about ratatry. And he could have escaped whenever and wherever, thanks to the many. In the language of old-fashioned people, this is called "honor." Well, okay, for you it is clearly an empty sound.
                  1. dna
                    dna 22 October 2011 08: 45 New
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                    Until he was nailed in Sirte, no one knew where he was. Apparently he communicated telepathically with his troops so that no one else would know where he was.
  30. Professor 20 October 2011 21: 44 New
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsrXGwnm_gU&feature=player_embedded

    In Arabic they say: "Kul kalb bij yomo." Which means every dog ​​will have a day.
    So Gaddafi's day has come.
    1. jamert
      jamert 20 October 2011 22: 41 New
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      Let's hope that the next dog will speak Spanish. wink
    2. solodova 21 October 2011 10: 53 New
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      Professor, do you believe this video?
      1. Professor 21 October 2011 14: 25 New
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        Oh yeah. Those few supporters of the deceased believe him.
  31. amber
    amber 20 October 2011 22: 28 New
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    Jackals bit the lion ...
  32. jindol47 20 October 2011 22: 35 New
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    heard the comments of our guarantor. God, what kind of womb gave birth? it’s not cattle but nesvely what,
  33. Nick 20 October 2011 22: 39 New
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    If Gaddafi died, he died with weapons in his hands, protecting his people and his country. A true leader, for whom the Libyan people are not ashamed, and for whom the real Libyan patriots will avenge the NATO troops and their henchmen from the PNS around the world.
  34. jindol47 20 October 2011 22: 45 New
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    I read that our load was pleased. Does he not think that he is waiting for him?

    What a bastard rules us !!!
    1. maksim 20 October 2011 23: 27 New
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      elections await him
  35. Uhalus 20 October 2011 22: 50 New
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    It seems like the truth ... Irrationally hope that a misinformation or a mistake.

    Even if he was killed, he died with dignity, like a fighter and ruler.
  36. miland 20 October 2011 22: 54 New
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    Regarding the comments of our "prezik" about Gaddafi. The bear, of course, is a soft-bodied jerk, which once again confirms this with his "smart" speeches.
  37. PSih2097 20 October 2011 23: 17 New
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    it seems like ...
    1. Nick 21 October 2011 00: 27 New
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      Bah! quickly the Libyans took revenge on Kolyan.
      PSih2097- + 5 points! Shake your hand!
    2. Glenn witcher 21 October 2011 00: 39 New
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      No, no, no, Kolyasika should be driven by IOUs. For such characters, this is the sore point.
  38. Cross
    Cross 21 October 2011 01: 30 New
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    Lord! New information from Kassad:
    http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/529134.html
  39. Patriot
    Patriot 21 October 2011 10: 24 New
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    Professor Yesterday,

    And here, dear Russians and your "EVGHEYSKY FRIEND" appeared. Well-wisher fucking. Foe RUSSIA. COME OUT, SATAN!

    jamert

    No, my friend. VERY WANTED TO HOPE THAT THE NEXT DOG WILL BE TALKING IN HEBREW AND KAGHTAVIT! am

    jindol47

    YOU are a little mistaken. He does not expect such a fate. For, he is a protege of amers and does EVERYTHING in accordance with their instructions.
  40. solodova 21 October 2011 10: 43 New
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    “Libya should become a modern political state,” Medvedev said. "And the fate of Gaddafi must decide the Libyans themselves," - added the president of the Russian Federation. And can we, as Russians, decide the fate of the Bear am am angry
    Info is very controversial ... there are many denials. There is information that the "death of Gaddafi" is a duck that would distract from real atrocities and reprisals in Sirte over Gaddafi supporters. And also that there would be time to hide the mass graves of the victims of these massacres.
    I watched the videos - the eyes of the killers were empty, they were hiding all the time and their voices were hysterically cowardly. Either these PNS prostitutes are bad actors, or they themselves piss from what they did. GRASI ................
    We will wait for information from the supporters of Gaddafi. May these NATO curses be damned ..........
  41. Don
    Don 21 October 2011 10: 51 New
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    Another misinformation of the West. Then bin Laden was quietly overwhelmed, and his body was quickly drowned, now here is Gaddafi. I watched yesterday a video on Euronews, where the colonel’s body was filmed on camera, it seemed that the operator was shaking, the camera was shaking so much. I’m sure that the body Colonel will not be shown to the world.
  42. Banshee 21 October 2011 11: 17 New
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    Something is not yet clear.
    Different agencies write about different things.
    That was wounded in the legs, but on the photo the chest covered with blood.
    That wound to the head, from which he later died. But sorry, what was in the 26-second video, with such injuries do not live at all.

    And somehow the age does not add up. In the photo - an emaciated man (as it should be, he was not at the resort), in the video he was less on 20, and even his beard grew from somewhere ...
    In addition, bleeding from the mouth is a clear sign of a shot through the lungs. And there was no mention of injury. Getting into the legs does not entail such hemorrhages. as well as to the head.

    One of the turtles is clearly n%.
  43. fellow misha 21 October 2011 13: 58 New
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    Local Pindos squeal about the difference between Gaddafi or Saddam Hussein, they say, both tyrants, I’ll answer you - one got into the slot after the rout of his army and ended his life in the loop of the Pindos rope in the truest sense of the word, the second died from NATO aircraft (only received injuries from NATO air strike then the PNS-SS killed the wounded with a shot in the head) protecting his hometown, his native country from external aggression, and the PNS is an integral part of the ingredient, so to speak, so bad gentlemen are the aggressors, their leader will inspire you to fight with you, " Bedouins, for some reason settled in the oil fields "
    1. dna
      dna 21 October 2011 20: 08 New
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      Apparently precisely because he defended his native country today they celebrate throughout Libya. Although I understand that this is all the media lying, the shooting was done in pavilions in Hollywood, and the real Liviitsi are either fighting against the Western intelligence services, or are already sitting in secret CIA prisons. This is actually very convenient - if that does not suit you, then automatically lies and propaganda. Maybe the states are actually one big gulag, but about contented Americans, it's all propaganda?
  44. Patriot
    Patriot 21 October 2011 18: 55 New
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    Ah, personally, I believe. The holy faith is that this state will suffer the same fate that they once prepared for us. Not because they killed my country, but if only because they live like parasites, suck the whole world, and at the same time they create lawlessness all over the world and start wars.
    It seems to me that this country is based on the dollar, from which it has already begun to depart and on debts that almost no one wants to give them.
    There is one more. The worst thing is that they are smart enough to unleash some kind of war! Any war is more profitable for them! I have already seen this. Yes, there was even an article on the site of some Pindos economist that they needed to get BIGGER!
    You just think it over. To survive on their own, they need someone on this planet to kill someone. And the more victims there are, the better for them. Well, tell me, does such a country have a right to exist? I hope no.

    Any war is more profitable for them! I have already seen this.
    1-surely it will take place not on their territory, not on their continent
    2-any war is a redistribution of the sphere of influence. They will be able to take something from their competitors
    3-they can warm their hands well in the arms trade.
    4-by launching the defense industry they will be able to get out of the crisis again
    ........... You can still come up with several positive consequences.

    And, a striking example is World War 2. Who on this warmed up selling weapons to the allies, the same USSR, who then heaped up loans with the whole of Europe and the whole world and got a lot of it on? Who has not heard a single shot on their territory? Who, after a decade of great depression, has become the strongest state in the world? And, I'm afraid that they will again have a strong desire to go along the already beaten path. And, we, Comrades by the universal GREAT DECORATIONS OF MEDVEPUTS, are DISSOLVING!
    THINK ABOUT IT!
    1. dna
      dna 21 October 2011 20: 19 New
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      Interestingly, but Russia does not sell weapons to anyone? Or does he want to redo the sphere of influence? I don’t understand what the states are doing, why the scoop didn’t do it ten times more cruelly, and what is Russia not trying to do now? Only the gut is thin as a result of the natural collapse of a totalitarian state. This is the fate of all totalitarian states, including Libya Gaddafi.

      No one says that the states are completely innocent, although most of the claims to them on this site are simply ridiculous. But it seems that hatred of them is justified on the fact that they themselves are not able to do the same (or ten times worse). Inferiority complex.
      1. Ivan Tarasov 21 October 2011 23: 31 New
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        Russia, before selling, first, must itself have time to rearm.
        Time in the yard is dashing ...
      2. Banshee 21 October 2011 23: 37 New
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        dna, your DNA is twisted and I don’t know what. You are clearly oligophrenic, carefully hiding it. Or moreover, the Bush portrait stands on your nightstand.

        Quote: dna
        I wonder if Russia doesn’t sell weapons to anyone?


        Russia sells. As well as the USA, Germany, Italy, Israel, China, Switzerland and many others.

        Quote: dna
        Or the sphere of influence does not want to alter?


        Rushed. Give an example where Russia reworked its sphere of influence with the help of cruise missiles, aircraft carriers and marines? Or was the initiator of such alteration. To begin with at least three examples.

        Quote: dna
        I do not understand what the states are doing, what the scoop did not do ten times more cruelly, and what Russia is not trying to do now?


        The clinic, however. Okay, piss ...

        The list is as follows (the chronology can be broken):

        Grenada
        Panama
        Югославия
        Afghanistan
        Iraq
        Libya.

        Draw the same for Russia.

        Quote: dna
        No one says that the states are absolutely not guilty of anything, although most of the pritenzy to them on this site are just ridiculous.


        Of course. Everybody is here . Well, except for ereke and balian.

        Well, I don’t go further, I have my homework, let's confirm the statements with facts.
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          dna 22 October 2011 08: 28 New
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          Russia sells. As well as the USA, Germany, Italy, Israel, China, Switzerland and many others.


          You are clearly not in order with logic. The United States is bad and evil; weapons are being sold. Ah, Russia is also selling? So after all, Germany, Italy, Israel. There is nothing we do not do that others do not. But the United States is bad and evil.

          The clinic, however. Okay, piss ...


          Really a clinic, but we lisp, since you insist ...

          Poland
          Finland
          Hungary
          Czechoslovakia
          Afghanistan

          After Afghanistan, the gut became thin, so Chechnya and Georgia have to get along. Oh yes, I forgot, we called Chechnya our territory, so now it does not count. The American fools did not think of the same thing with Panama.

          Give an example where Russia redid its sphere of influence with the help of cruise missiles, aircraft carriers and marines?


          How can this be done when there are almost no functioning cruise missiles, aircraft carriers, and marines? I say, the gut is thin.
  45. Banshee 21 October 2011 23: 51 New
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    Alexander GRISHIN - 21.10.2011

    The murder of Muammar Gaddafi, which was exactly the murder (since at the moment of his capture he was only slightly wounded in his right hand) is the best evidence of the true values ​​of the new Libyan democracy.

    Lynching, mockery of the corpse and fear of the already killed ex-leader - the quintessence, a splash of these values. And the puppy who shot the wounded and unarmed Gaddafi with a headshot is a new hero. What time, such and heroes. And not only in Libya itself. Amazingly, among the leaders of those states that consider themselves the most advanced in the field of human rights protection, and their official accomplices, and the associates, there was not one who expressed regret over the past Lynch trial.

    And the head of American diplomacy, Hilary Clinton, having received a message about the murder of Gaddafi, seems to have experienced an orgasm for the second time in her relationship with her husband Bill.

    The first, as I understand it, happened when American special forces killed Bin Laden. And, in theory, they should now cry. Because something happened that they should fear the most. Gaddafi is not broke. If he was caught, tried (in The Hague or elsewhere, but not in Tripoli), found guilty by the court and even if later executed by a court sentence - such a final could be a triumph of a civilized approach. If he had finished his days debunked in the eyes of his people, even if they did not agree with the accusations - like Hussein, Milosevic, as will probably be with former Egyptian President Mubarak - this is one thing. But he was shot as helpless by Che Guevara, and in the same way they put a naked corpse on display by the crowd. Without any hint of law and justice. And now they will also bury him in a secret place so that supporters do not worship him. They know what to be afraid of. But - too late.

    Even if there is no person who tells about the last refuge of Gaddafi, he will now still be worshiped. And the worse things will be in Libya, and this seems to be inevitable, at least in the next few years, the more supporters he will gain. Albeit after death. Colonel still write. And this can hardly please those who now, like the marauders on the field after the battle, begin to stash the oil and other riches of this country in their pockets. Unless, of course, they are not completely stupid.

    I subscribe to every word of this person.

    And from K. Ilyumzhinov.

    "At the end of August, I talked to him. Muammar said that he would like to thank me through all the honest people on the planet who support the struggle of the Libyan people against invaders from NATO countries. Second. What will be here until the end, to the last drop of blood, not going to flee the country. Stay in the country where he lost his adopted daughter, 29-year-old son, two grandchildren and 4-month-old granddaughter, will fight to the end with the occupiers. He, though he was a colonel, and called himself a soldier. And said: "Soldiers do not run!". He is not going anywhere He died. He died like a soldier, like a real colonel. This is my opinion. "


    This is the opinion of any honest person. And all sorts of imbeciles can revel in plenty with the results of democracy, which they so desire. Do not choke only, and see that the throat does not go.

    Peace be upon the ashes of a soldier who was a colonel.