Castle and fort: from antiquity to the First World War

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As you know, already the first cities on Earth were surrounded by walls and had towers built into them. Fortresses with high walls and again towers were also able to build by the ancient Egyptians (and not just pyramids and temples!), Which were erected on the border of the “land of Nub”. Well, the Assyrians became famous for learning how to take such fortresses: special ramming with archers in the turrets destroyed the masonry of the walls, soldiers clad in armor dug under the walls of the tunnel and caused their collapse. Well, while the Greeks and Romans invented all sorts of throwing and wall-breaking machines and assault towers on wheels.


The image of the castle Motte on the famous embroidery from Bayeux.




In the Middle Ages, civilization had to largely “invent a bicycle”, but what was invented was in its own way quite good. These are mott and bailey castles - a special type of medieval castles, which were palisaded courtyards: one on a hill, the other, usually next to it.


Mock Castle in the Museum of the City of Reading in England. As you can see, part of the embankment is on a rocky foundation, so it has considerable height, but it was not always and not everywhere.


Such castles were very common in France in the XI - XII centuries, and after the Normans conquered England in 1066 year, also on its territory - in Wales, England and Scotland. The word "motte" is French and means "hill", and "bailey" - English - "courtyard of the castle." Mott itself was an artificial (or natural) hill from the ground, and the height of the embankment could vary from 5 to 10 and more than meters. The surface of the “hill” was often covered with clay, or even wooden flooring, to make it harder to climb. The diameter of the hill was at least twice the height.

At the top of such a hill they built a wooden, and later a stone, tower, which served as a home for the castle owner, and surrounded it with a palisade. There was also a water or dry moat around the hill, from the ground of which the embankment was formed. It was possible to get into the tower by means of a wooden bridge and a staircase arranged on the hillside.


The capture of Ribodan. Medieval miniature of the XV century. The besiegers storm the Barbican - the advanced fortification before entering the castle, shelling the walls with bows and preparing to use a huge wall batter bomb against the defenders.


Bailey was a large courtyard with an area of ​​no more than 2 hectares, usually adjacent to a motta, where there were various residential and household buildings - warrior dwellings, stables, a blacksmith shop, warehouses, a kitchen, etc. the palisade itself could stand on an earthen wall.

Castle and fort: from antiquity to the First World War

Siege of Brest. Medieval miniature of the XV century. It is obvious that the storming of the fortress, surrounded by stone walls, was not an easy task even with the support of artillery.


Motte at the then military technology was difficult to take by storm. The ram was simply nowhere to put. There were no missile cars yet, and only a suicide could climb a steep slope for an assault. Even if the bailey was taken, it was possible to sit out in the castle on the top of the hill. There was only one problem - the fire hazard of such a castle in extreme heat, when the palisade tree dried out and there were problems with water from the well in order to water it regularly!

That's why pretty soon the wood in such buildings was replaced with stone. Here are just artificial mounds replaced by a solid natural foundation, since the weight of such a stone tower, called donjon, was very, very significant. Now the castle looked like a courtyard with outbuildings, surrounded by a stone wall with several towers in the center of which stood the donjon itself - a huge square stone tower!


This photo shows the American Fort Bravo, which was filmed in the 1953 film Escape from Fort Bravo. These were the forts in the Wild West!


By the way, what is the difference between a fort and a castle? There are many definitions of both, but there is not one that points to the exhaustive differences between them. There is a definition, the essence of which is that forts were usually built using earthen and wooden fortifications, and the castle was a stone structure, although, for example, the first English mott locks were high hills or mounds with logging piers installed on them . Wooden were the forts of the ancient Romans, in particular the fortifications on the border and around the city of Alesia, which became classics, as well as the forts of American soldiers in the prairies of North America, while the medieval castles began to be built only with stone. Well, the castles themselves over the centuries became more and more complex, but the modest fort remained mostly a wooden fence on an earth mound.


Castle of sv. Joanna in the city of Blanes, Spain.


All this has changed with the advent of guns, which could cause serious damage to the stone walls and gates of locks, and from a decent distance. Old castles are outdated almost instantly, but it took something that could take their place. And here in the first place came the forts. Their earth mounds cannonballs were not terrible. Moreover, military engineers soon discovered that by combining land and stone, they could build forts that could withstand any artillery attack, and also dominate the terrain. Even when a new, more destructive artillery appeared, firing oblong shells, the forts did not become a thing of the past, but turned into even more complex engineering structures, protected from direct fire. Many forts had underground facilities for ammunition and soldiers, artillery casemates and "yards", inside which were whole batteries of heavy mortars, pre-shot in advance of the surrounding area of ​​the fort. That is, the fort could crush the enemy with its fire, but the enemy did not!


Entrance to the watchtower of the castle of sv. John City Blanes.


The “golden age” of forts in Europe was the period between 1650 and 1750, with some of the forts of the First World War being built during this period (and later updated and rebuilt). The key factor for change was the introduction of an effective hinged light. System: glacis, ditch and rampart, provided protection from heavy siege weapons, field artillery and rifle fire did not provide protection against bombs flying along a steep trajectory. At first it was not a problem to worry too much because of it, since it was extremely difficult to transport heavy weapons to enemy fortresses with horse gear. For example, heavy mortars for the siege of Vicksburg had to be delivered by river. By the sea, heavy mortars were delivered to Sevastopol and ... the city fell, despite the fact that the number of guns of dividing fire had the advantage for the defenders!


Picture. A. Shepsa.


By the year 1870, stone (or concrete) structures appeared everywhere on the forts. Some of the forts were equipped with underground chambers and passages along which their defenders could reach any point without being fooled by gunfire. However ... it should be noted that forts themselves were never a particularly pleasant place to live, even in peacetime. In addition, insanitary conditions often reigned in them: for example, many French forts did not have special sanitary facilities until 1917, and even later. Yes, but how can they ... surely the question of the annoying reader will immediately follow, and the answer will be: as it was generally accepted at that time in many Western countries. There were appropriate containers that were taken by horse transport from the forts and emptied in designated areas. Or simply an open urinal for soldiers and a descent for feces into the river could have been arranged there.


Artillery gun on a descending machine. Photos from the First World War.


The development of more powerful guns and high-explosive shells in the last part of the XIXth century began to gradually change the forts. Guns whose barrels protruded beyond the parapet of the wall or through gun ports or embrasures had little chance of surviving the shelling, even if they did not get a direct hit. Therefore, more and more guns began to be installed on declining gun carriages. By raising a large counterweight, the gun was lowered and hid, and when the counterweight lowered, it rose and fired. But even declining guns were still vulnerable to mounted fire. Therefore, the idea was born to cover the tools of the forts with armored caps on top. True, there was a problem. There was a danger that a comparatively minor damage could jam this armored cap, and thus disable a completely serviceable weapon.

In some fortresses the guns were placed in huge steel towers, similar to the gun turrets of battleships. However, practice has shown that all of them are prone to seizure. Fewer guns can be placed in reinforced concrete casemates and fire through embrasures covered with armor shields. In some cases, the guns could be mounted on the rails so that they could be quickly moved into position, fired a shot and again sent to the shelter.


The scheme of the instrument on the descending machine.


Increased power projectiles used by the besiegers, were opposed to materials such as steel and concrete. The stone facing of the shafts was replaced by concrete, and all other structures of the forts at the turn of the 19th - 20th centuries were also made of concrete. Machine guns were placed in special machine gun installations, built into the main concrete structures of the fort. Sometimes it was just a concrete ring in which two soldiers with a machine gun could be sitting on their heels. In other cases - these were prefabricated concrete or metal blocks of bunkers with embrasures in all directions and a hatch in the floor for urgent evacuation.

It is interesting that in Europe the attitude towards the forts was different and ambiguous. So, Britain was inclined to count on its Navy to protect its island from invasion. As a result, with the exception of some coastal fortifications and coastal batteries covering the approaches to the naval bases, the British did not have modern forts. Germany on the advice of Moltke preferred to build railways rather than forts. Therefore, in addition to Fort Tau Qin in China, Germany has all the existing forts designed to protect naval facilities. The US built a series of powerful coastal forts, armed with heavy mortars, whose shells were capable of striking the unprotected decks of enemy ships. Forts were built in a number of places of the Ottoman Empire, including on the approaches to Constantinople and at the entrance to the Dardanelles. Turkish forts usually lagged behind life and did not have any cover from the mounted fire.


Collapsible machine gun pillboxes during the First World War.


Nevertheless, the forts proved to be very effective against the united Anglo-French fleet during the Dardanelles operation and, first of all, because ... on board battleships firing at these forts there were no heavy mortars! On the other hand, the Turkish fortress Erzurum, defending the way to Western Armenia, had a garrison of over 15,000 soldiers and more than 300 artillery pieces. But despite this, in February 1916, after six days of intensive artillery shelling (“Big Bert” was not needed!) And infantry attacks, it was taken by Russian troops.


Cannons taken by Russian troops on the fortifications of Erzerum. Photo from the magazine "Niva".


Russian story knows many sieges and stubborn defense, but at the end of the XIX - beginning of the XX century it was, of course, Sevastopol and Port Arthur. Destruction of the forts, protecting Port Arthur by Japanese heavy mortars, one might say, was a sort of hint at the fate of the fortresses in Europe after some ten years. But for some reason, many officers at that time were inclined to view the Russo-Japanese war as a kind of “weirdness”, “not our kind of war,” as one British officer who returned from the theater of operations said. However, the Russian fortresses on the western border played a very important role in World War I, proving, by the way, that neither heavy weapons, nor even poisonous gas, do not play a decisive role in the storming of the fortress!

As for the Italians and Austrians, they established a number of fortresses on the Trentino plateau. The two lines of the forts were approximately 12 miles apart and were called the “Alpine barrier”. Both Italian and Austrian forts were very similar in construction: concrete foundations, on which huge cannons were installed under cast armored domes. The latter had to withstand a direct hit from such a “big gun” as the Škoda 305-mm howitzer, which were regarded as “fortress killer”. As it turned out, they could not stand them ...

In March, 1916, the Austrovergerists, to punish Italy for giving up their contractual obligations to the Tripartite Union, launched an offensive in the area. The battle lasted three months, but the maximum penetration of enemy forces into Italian territory was only about 12 miles. Seven Italian forts played an important role in repelling this attack, and although five of them were destroyed during the fighting (one 305mm projectile passed, for example, through a concrete ceiling and exploded inside), the Italians were very grateful to them, since they were not suffer them then a complete defeat!


The ruins of the Palafolves Castle set on a steep hill. Subsequently, from such an arrangement fortifications had to be abandoned due to the increased power of artillery. (Between the cities of Malgrad de Mar and Blanes, Spain).


France was a country of fortresses built there for many centuries. The belt of the forts along the border between France and Belgium was built by engineer Vauban. By 1914, modern French forts appeared along the border with Germany and Belgium. Forts on the border with Germany were built to support each other with crossfire. That is, they were built on the so-called cluster system. So, the cluster around Verdun consisted of 20 large and 40 small forts and had to serve as a shield to Paris. Not surprisingly, in 1916, it was these forts that were subjected to a massive attack by the German army. At the end of the battle, both sides lost more than 400 000 people, which may have provoked insurrection in the French army in 1917 year. The battle of the Somme was largely begun only to divert the forces of the Germans from Verdun. As a result, the battle of Verdun lasted ten months, but ... the French still survived! But the French forts on the border with Belgium were abandoned, since all resources were sent to the German border. When the German army moved through Belgium, these forts could not offer any meaningful resistance. One fort, for example, had a garrison of only fourteen soldiers!

Belgium responded to the success of the Prussian invasion of France in 1870, and managed to design and build a number of fortresses. These activities were completed in 1890. The Belgian strategy was not to build on borders, but instead create rings of forts around the most strategic cities, such as Liege, which was “ringed” by twelve new forts, and Namur by nine. Antwerp was already fortified: its forts were built to counter the French threat in 1859. They not only defended their cities, but also blocked the routes of the invading army, which could not go farther, leaving them in the rear, as they threatened his communications. Considering that Belgium had a defensive treaty with England, it was believed that these forts could delay the advancing German army until the British arrived to help!


The two-gun tower of the forts of Liege. Page from the British edition.


The flaw in such an approach manifested itself in the 1914 year: it turned out that the forts had not been able to defend for quite some time. This was partly due to the underestimation of the capabilities of the German heavy artillery (and most importantly - the ability to transport and deploy its guns in the shortest possible time!), But the forts themselves had serious shortcomings. Reinforced concrete was not used, and the pouring of concrete was carried out in layers, instead of immediately pouring a monolith. Therefore, three-meter thickness of the overlap was not enough. A heavy projectile, breaking through concrete floors, could blow up the entire fort as, however, it happened when only one 420-mm German projectile landed in Fort Longin. Heavy guns were placed in retractable towers, which were susceptible to jamming due to the smallest damage or even just mechanical problems. But the biggest drawback was that the forts did not have a well-thought-out fire support system for each other. Therefore, enemy soldiers could easily pass through the gaps between them.


German soldiers at the ruined tower of one of the Liege forts. Photos of the war years.


In 1914, the fortress of Namur was taken for four days, while in Liege the German army was able to slip past its forts, take the city and already wait there for their siege weapons. When they arrived, these forts were taken almost as quickly as in Namur.
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  1. +5
    6 July 2015 08: 56
    why this mott does not meet the requirements for reality, it can be well protected, but it’s painfully not practical, how can you live in such a castle? in order to live, and this is the main thing you have to go into the premises of the castle and go out, and of course many people do not once a day, but constantly climb up and down, and even with a load ??? In short, instead of a silly reconstruction, it is better to show that something real, if there is such a castle, then show, and if not, then do not need to invent it.
    Historians constantly tell us about all kinds of castles, but about fortresses, as it is, for example, a fortress, what remains under Rostov, for some reason historians are not studying these old fortresses, they are not interested ...
    1. +4
      6 July 2015 09: 21
      Castles and the first fortresses were adjusted to the local landscape: hills, steepness, rivers and lakes. The later fortresses and forts no longer adjusted to nature, but science was at the core: "geometry", etc. The illustration of the previous commentary shows this well.
      1. +1
        7 July 2015 10: 33
        The castles of the west are certainly nice and beautiful, but not one of them had one important building - this was a zhab - a corridor of death. But zababs were used by ancient Russian builders, for example in Pskov.
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          7 July 2015 11: 37
          Quote: Wend
          The castles of the west are certainly nice and beautiful, but not one of them had one important building - this was a zhab - a corridor of death. But zababs were used by ancient Russian builders, for example in Pskov.

          In the west they used a barbican. To some extent, an analogue of zabab.
    2. +2
      6 July 2015 09: 32
      Quote: War and Peace
      Historians constantly tell us about all kinds of castles, but about fortresses, as it is, for example, a fortress, what remains under Rostov, for some reason historians are not studying these old fortresses, they are not interested ...

      Fortress of St. Anne. Rather, not a fortress, but a six-bastion fort with ravelins (some of them were destroyed).
      The fortress of St. Anne was built on the site of the Peter the Great fortification (existing since the 1721 year) by decree of the Empress Anna Ionnovna from 16 on March 1730 year. For the construction, land was used from the nearby Vasilievsky mounds. As a result, the mounds were completely torn down. The earthen fortress was reinforced with brick redoubts. There were a brick commandant’s house, a powder cellar and a soldier’s settlement, a wooden church of the Protection of the Virgin. Customs were transferred to the fortress from Cherkassk. In June, the 1737 fortress became the base of a campaign against Azov, which finally annexed it to Russia. But the capture of Azov reduced the military significance of the fortress to zero. In 1761, the garrison was transferred to the Dmitry Rostovsky fortress, which today has become Rostov-on-Don.
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        6 July 2015 10: 23
        I wonder who destroyed this fortress and tore down the walls, again E2?
        In general, there were many such acute-angle fortresses around the world, but for some reason they were destroyed for some reason, take the same Tobol-Ishim line of markers, there such fortresses were probably every 50 km and such grandiose constructions were not explored at all by traditional history - this is at least strange ...
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          6 July 2015 10: 33
          Quote: War and Peace
          In general, there were many such acute-angle fortresses around the world, but for some reason they were destroyed for some reason, take the same Tobol-Ishim line of markers, there such fortresses were probably every 50 km and such grandiose constructions were not explored at all by traditional history - this is at least strange ...

          Perhaps these lines of fortifications (not fortresses) in those days, and maybe in the present, are considered - field fortifications, such as modern trenches. And what respect for the trenches, if only there had not been a heroic event. Alas. request
          1. 0
            6 July 2015 11: 08
            igordok "Perhaps these lines of fortifications (not fortresses) in those days, and maybe in the present, are considered - field fortifications, such as modern trenches."
            The basis of the border lines of Siberia and the Urals was represented by Cossack villages, posts, pickets. There were fortresses, but at different times they represented a different picture.
            1. +1
              6 July 2015 11: 23
              For example, a fortress in the village of Naslednitskaya with brick walls. Date of construction 1835. Exactly the same in the village of Nikolaevskaya. The rest of the fortifications on the line were earthen. In the form of a square. In the middle of the temple. The fortress for the name of this fortification is a very loud name. But, for defense against nomadic Kazakhs it was quite suitable.
              1. +1
                6 July 2015 11: 42
                Add more))) About the Presnogorkovskaya line ...
                "The construction of the New Line began in 1752 and continued during 1753-1755, battalions of the Vologda Dragoon and Shirvan Infantry Regiments, a team (four hundred) of the Nasherburg Infantry Regiment, discharged Cossacks of the Yalutorovsky, Ishimsky, Tyumensky and Krasnoslobodsky irregulars were involved in it. According to the approved project from Irtysh to Tobol, two hexagonal (Zverinogolovskaya on Tobol and Petropavlovskaya on Ishim) and nine quadrangular fortresses, 556 redoubts, 33 lighthouses were built for 42 versts. The entire line was divided into three distances: Tobolskaya, Ishimskaya and Tarskaya The first redoubt of the Tarskoy distance is called the First Tarsky (Pervotarovsky). The first fortress east of the Tobol river is called Presnogorkovskaya, sometimes the whole line was called Presnogorkovskaya or Gorkaya. In official documents, the line was first called Novoishimskaya, and later New line. Fortresses were built on the territory of the Pokrovskaya region. and Nikolaevskaya, redoubts Irtyshsky, Melnichny th, Stepnoy, Pustoozerny, Kurganny, Volchiy, Solenoozerny, Losev and First Tarsky. The fortresses and redoubts were surrounded by wooden walls, and there were slingshots and axes around, there were towers with gates and batteries in the corners. In the fall of 1752, artillery began to be transported from the old Ishim line. The fortresses and redoubts of the New Line have never been attacked by military forces, but they played a big role in the history of the region, allowed the farmers to settle and develop the forest-steppe interfluve of the Irtysh and Ishim. "
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            6 July 2015 13: 15
            generally speaking about the fact that the serif lines and even these numerous fortresses, I was mistaken not by the 50 km fortress, but by 10 km and even in this scenario, NEVER could these lines serve as military obstacles for a serious army - this is absurd, a decent army of several thousand soldiers is easy and just open such a wall to throw a moat and easily fight off the small defense of the line and then go to someone else’s territory, all of these lines have only one purpose — the BORDER between the two states, just like the great wall of China — only the division of zones influence.
            These borders moved, so there are so many serif lines. By the way, there is not one living place of these lines to appreciate the military possibility of such a structure, only broken earth lines, however, even if these barriers were the size of the great Chinese wall in its Beijing festive form , then even such walls are EASY TO BE DONE by any army.

            And the fact that traditional history rubs us about the warlike Bashkirs, the warlike Kazakhs, or even the "very warlike Dzungars" who, as usual, were and floated out of history, all these are fairy tales for armchair "scientists" inventing stories to please the ruling circles.
            Well, as for the fortresses, and the lines themselves, besides surprise, these lines do not cause anything, because the NUMBER OF LABOR invested in these structures is simply GIANT, and the military return is the same as from the Molotov lines and the Stalin lines, although what was in those days we really don’t know anything ...
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              6 July 2015 13: 29
              Quote: War and Peace
              even such walls are EASY TO BREAK by any army.

              Empty fortresses, without defenders - yes. But if there are defenders, then it is more difficult to take than in the open field. Especially if the defense is active. In the west, they tried to reduce the number of gates, because he was a weak point in defense. In our country (at least in Pskov) almost every tower had a zababa (gate). From any zabab defenders could come out and attack the attackers.
              In any case, it is better to be in the fortress (trench) than in the open field.
              1. -1
                6 July 2015 13: 40
                Quote: igordok
                Empty fortresses, without defenders - yes. But if there are defenders, then it is more difficult to take than in the open field. Especially if the defense is active.


                only the army can stand against the army, when the enemy army approaches the border of a foreign state, it is natural that it will not tell the enemy where the direction of the main attack will be, and to overcome the wall even such as the VKS between the fortresses where there is a maximum of a hundred soldiers simple, but very simple, this wall is not against the army, but against all kinds of smugglers and maybe illegal illegal immigrants who cross the border ...
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                  6 July 2015 14: 05
                  It happens that without even taking a single battle, the fortress won. In the Northern War 1700 — 1721. On the basis of old Russian fortresses, which could no longer cope with modern methods of siege, bastion fortresses were erected from Pechora to Bryansk. The weak. But Charles XII received a hat under Pechora in 1703. went to Russia through Poltava.

                  Peter I ordered to increase the fortress garrison to two and a half thousand archers. All this turned out to be timely. During the war, in 1703, Swedish troops besieged the fortress. But the garrison and the people's militia led by the governor Ivan Nazimov, having set an example of true courage, defended the walls and drove the Swedes away from Pechora.
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                    6 July 2015 15: 37
                    Quote: igordok
                    Peter I ordered to increase the fortress garrison to two and a half thousand archers.


                    If we are talking about fortresses on notch lines, then what kind of "thousands" of soldiers can we talk about? in such a fortress in 2 football fields of the square there will be a maximum of several dozen soldiers, so such a fortress cannot win anything ...
                    1. 0
                      6 July 2015 16: 50
                      Quote: War and Peace
                      therefore, such a fortress is not able to win anything ...

                      Once again, even a small fort is better than a bare field.
                      Artillery and gun positions on the flanks and faces of the bastions are always handy of a bare field. Not to mention the infrastructure of the fort. The fort has a supply of food and ammunition.
                      Looking at the Second World War, why was it necessary to create a bunker, and especially a bunker? They will be destroyed anyway. But they will help delay the enemy for several hours or days, for which tactical, and maybe strategic, tasks can be solved.
                      Thanks for the photo. Interesting forts. Small, but with ravelins. By all concepts of fortification.
                      1. 0
                        6 July 2015 18: 30
                        There are ramparts of the fortress built by Suvorov on the outskirts of Taman. But there is nothing interesting there ...
                      2. -2
                        6 July 2015 18: 53
                        Quote: kalibr
                        There are ramparts of the fortress built by Suvorov on the outskirts of Taman. But there is nothing interesting there ...


                        Taman is the Ataman-Cossack region ...
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            2. 0
              6 July 2015 19: 19
              War and Peace
              and even in this scenario, NEVER these lines could serve as military obstacles for a serious army - this is absurd, it’s absurd for a decent army of several thousand soldiers to open such a wall to throw a moat and easily fight off the small defense of the line and then go to someone else’s territory, everyone the purpose of these lines is only one thing - BORDER

              Dear, and you ponder your brain ... What does it mean in ancient times to take a fort!? Or a fortress?! Even at the border.
              This is a feat of legend laughing
              Which, as a rule, was marked by increased drinking. After capture.
              Well, if in the "fort" the enemy also left wine and home brew .. Then the campaign "dragged on" for the time of libation of the "winners".
              Meanwhile, the messenger from the fort, perhaps the only survivor .. gave time to "mobilize".
              Not spotted?
              ha ha 3 times.
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    3. 0
      6 July 2015 10: 50
      The Ministry of Culture prepared a concept for the development of the Starocherkassk Museum-Reserve for the following years.

      By 2016, the Starocherkassk Museum will gain a new depository. Also, according to information provided on the website of the government of the Rostov region, the reconstruction will affect such objects of the museum-reserve as the Anninsky fortress (St. Anne's fortress), Danilovsky bastion and the monastery tract.

      However, it is still unknown how exactly they are going to carry out the reconstruction of the Anninsky fortress. After all, the fortress of St. Anne is an earthen fortress, which is completely overgrown with grass. Shafts cannot be distinguished from hills, and the fact that it has forts and the correct form is visible only from the air:


      http://img.encyc.yandex.net/illustrations/ve/pictures/02/571.jpg
    4. 0
      6 July 2015 12: 41
      You know a lot of interesting things everywhere. But you have to write about where he was himself, what he saw himself, or about what information is available for. Let the historians from Rostov do this fortification. As for the impracticability of the mott, I absolutely agree with you. But this is not fiction - so it was. I myself was in Cupid Castle in Cyprus, where from the kitchen food was carried along stone steps to the royal chambers very far and high. And the stairs are steep ... and nothing - the pages went up and down. Probably they looked at it differently then.
    5. 0
      7 July 2015 03: 57
      The photo is valid, I can’t even believe that there is such a beauty. good

      Quote: War and Peace
      why this mott does not meet the requirements for reality ...

      A castle is a military-engineering building / product of one technological era, and a fortress, shown by you in the photo following it. That is - the further development of fortifications.
      In the same way, you can compare the carriage and the car, indicating that you can’t run into a carriage, but the car is oh-hoo, generally speaking.
      It seems that such fortresses are the final development of separate / separately standing fortifications for the defense of the adjacent / surrounding territory.
      Further development - these are already border lines of defense of the type: "Stalin's line", "Mannerheim's line", "Maginot's line".
      Quote: War and Peace
      for example, a fortress, what remains under Rostov, for some reason, historians do not study these old fortresses, they are not interested ...

      By the way, the Brest Fortress was built on the same principle, but adjusted for the terrain.




      As well, and Bobruisk.
  2. 0
    6 July 2015 10: 00
    Very interesting article. The evolution in the field of fortification is well shown.
  3. +2
    6 July 2015 10: 18
    Note to the author.
    Collapsible machine gun pillboxes during the First World War.

    If the word DOT is an abbreviation, then according to the rules, the gender of this word is determined by the gender of the main word in the abbreviation, i.e. in this case, the feminine gender of the word "point", therefore, it will be correct: "Collapsible machine gun pillbox". If, however, the abbreviation has become an independent word, then it should be written in lowercase letters. "Collapsible machine gun pillbox"
  4. +2
    6 July 2015 11: 04
    Germany, on Moltke’s advice, preferred to build railways rather than forts. Therefore, in addition to the Tau Qin fort in China, all the available forts in Germany were designed to protect naval installations.
    But what about the network of forts in Koenigsberg?

    Maybe I'm wrong, but the difference between the concepts of a castle and a fort can be given as follows:
    a fort is, first and foremost, a military fortification intended only or mainly for military purposes and for purposes related to providing a military direction.
    A castle is a militarily fortified political / economic headquarters (for example, a feudal lord). And this means that in addition to the military component, the castle always has a developed economic life, all kinds of social crowding of the then society.
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      6 July 2015 12: 43
      I really liked the word "hang out"!
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      6 July 2015 13: 37
      Quote: abrakadabre
      Maybe I'm wrong, but the difference between the concepts of a castle and a fort can be given as follows:
      a fort is, first and foremost, a military fortification intended only or mainly for military purposes and for purposes related to providing a military direction.
      A castle is a militarily fortified political / economic headquarters (for example, a feudal lord). And this means that in addition to the military component, the castle always has a developed economic life, all kinds of social crowding of the then society.

      I agree with you.
      The castle is the defense of the local nobility. Settlement, attached - i.e. nearby.
      A fortress is the defense of a city or monastery. Settlement, attached - i.e. inside.
      A fort is simply a defense of the surrounding area. Settlement, not attached - i.e. optional, and sometimes interferes.
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        6 July 2015 15: 16
        Wherein:
        castle and fortress - key for political, administrative or economic (often the whole complex) management of a particular territory or state;
        the fort is, to the greatest degree, an auxiliary fortified point, more likely of tactical than strategic importance.
        Moreover, sometimes a fort can be strengthened stronger than another fortress or castle.
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    6 July 2015 11: 28
    Germany, on Moltke’s advice, preferred to build railways rather than forts. Therefore, in addition to the Tau Qin fort in China, all the available forts in Germany were designed to protect naval installations.

    The fortresses of Strasbourg, Metz and Thorn look at the author with bewilderment. In the same Metz there were 2 belts of forts and batteries, and on the outer belt whole forts were built - "festa", which included 3-4 forts and strong points and 3-4 armored towers. "Crown Prince", "Kaiserin", "Lothringen", "Wagner", "Luitpold", "Feb", etc.
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      6 July 2015 12: 37
      You know, I did not give a link to the source, because they take up a lot of space, and there is no great use. That is the opinion from Western European historiography. As you understand, I do not have the physical ability to check all the statements found in various monographs or articles, and even more so to give cross references. You have to start from the information you own ...
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        6 July 2015 12: 55
        kalibr "You have to proceed from the information you own ..."
        Thank you for the article. But, it seems to me that in one article it is not possible to reveal such a big topic. Will there be a sequel?)))
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          6 July 2015 15: 06
          Yes, the sequel will be: the fortresses of the East, the castles of the Cathars and the castles of the crusaders. To one material I will not get a picture, and without it ... uninteresting. About more modern time, you need to look for materials.
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            6 July 2015 15: 41
            kalibr "Yes, there will be more."
            Thank you, we will wait!
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            6 July 2015 16: 55
            Quote: kalibr
            I can’t get a drawing for one material, but without it ... it’s not interesting. About more modern time, one must look for materials.

            What material? Tell me, maybe someone was lying around. hi
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              6 July 2015 18: 23
              No, such drawings are made; they, alas, cannot stray.
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            8 July 2015 06: 08
            Pre-Columbian American Indian Fortress, Sigiriya, Greater Zimbabwe, Maori Fortress
            Belgian forts of the 2nd MV which were taken by an airborne landing.
            Modern American FOB in Afghanistan, Swedish fortresses and Swiss.
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortification
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          6 July 2015 15: 32
          And you know too little this Shperk wrote. Donjon was by no means always and everywhere the main part of the castle, that is, it is "not usual". The interpretation "usually" narrows the information field. This is a trifle, of course, because the dictionary is there to give the main thing. But I never liked dictionaries because of this.
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            6 July 2015 15: 36
            Donjon was by no means always and everywhere the main part of the castle, that is, it is "not usual". The interpretation "usually" narrows the information field.
            Nevertheless, this statement is easily understood by a large circle of readers. It makes no sense to make circles on the water for this reason.
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        6 July 2015 13: 03
        Quote: kalibr
        You know, I did not give a link to the source, because they take up a lot of space, but there is no great benefit. That is, this is an opinion from Western European historiography.

        The problem is that opinion from West European historiography refuted by the fact that there are still surviving land fortresses built by Germany before WWII. The same "Feste Wagner" south of Metz is visible even on images from space. As well as the Mutzig-Molsheim position west of Strasbourg.
        In general:
        The hottest work on serf construction has been carried out since 1904 in the Mets and Thionville fortresses, on the Isteiner-Klotz rock (armored batteries on the railway running along the right bank of the Upper Rhine, between Güningen and Neuenburg), and also on the eastern border - in Kulm , Graudenz, Koenigsberg and in the isthmuses of the Masurian lakes. In 1904, the release of funds for serf construction compared to the previous three years was increased by an average of 3850000 marks. In general, from 1900 to 1914. 471848481 mark was issued for serf construction, but to this sum it is necessary to add the costs of coastal fortresses, fortress artillery and lighting equipment in the fortresses. So for 15 years, the cost of fortresses in the artillery and engineering parts reached an average of about 16 million rubles a year, distributed to 35 serf administrations.
        (c) Yakovlev
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          6 July 2015 15: 11
          You know, it’s very interesting. Here you can say only that I had to consider this aspect, but I didn’t consider it, I relied on someone else’s authoritative opinion. Sometimes this is enough, sometimes it isn’t!
  6. +1
    6 July 2015 11: 43
    The destruction of the forts protecting Port Arthur with Japanese heavy mortars, one might say, was a kind of hint at the fate of the fortresses in Europe after some ten years.

    It was only a hint that saving on defense is not doing well.
    First, they saved money on the length of the fort belt, taking it almost to the borders of the city, because of which it ceased to fulfill its main function - protecting the core of the fortress from artillery fire.
    In the end, Port Arthur did not satisfy, first of all, the theoretical conditions of the then normal fortress, since some of the fortifications of the outer contour were less than the minimum limit of 4 km from the city; since fort No. 3 was 2,5 km away from it, and forts No. 4 and 5 were even 1,5 km from the outskirts of the new city. Even if we consider only the eastern basin, where the Russian squadron was hiding, to be protected area, then it turns out that the land forts line was only 1 km away from the border in places (for example, forts No. 2-3). It is clear that such proximity of the fortifications to the city caused the bombing of the latter and the port from the very first shots, with ships, warehouses, hospitals suffering, and not only shells, but also gun bullets flying through the city streets. Such a narrowing of the contour, as we saw above, was caused solely by economic considerations and the desire to adjust the length of the contour in accordance with the manpower strictly allocated for Port Arthur.

    And then they began to save on the protection of forts.
    ... when designing the Port Arthur fortifications, they were based on the official reference given by the Asian part of the then General Staff, according to which the Japanese assumed the absence of artillery over 15 cm. This, in order to satisfy the economic conditions, led to the rejection of the thicknesses of concrete vaults of casemated buildings accepted by the engineering department at 1,5–1,8–2,4 m and the reduction of the thicknesses of arches and walls by 0,3 m in the Arthurian fortifications. But during production due to the same economic considerations, the local authorities allowed military engineers to reduce the thickness of the arches by another 0,3 m, and in places by 0,6 m. In the end result, on the most important fortifications that were heavily bombed, the thickness of the arches in the residential barracks and other important defense bodies was only 0,91 m. There were also complaints about the quality of concrete, but the competent commission revealed the unfairness of these complaints. But anyway 0,9-meter arches could withstand shells of not more than 15 cm caliber.

    (c) Yakovlev.
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    6 July 2015 12: 40
    A little about where such interest comes from the Sbir fortified lines.))))))
    "Original taken from belyaefff in Pro new chronology and Siberian fortified lines
    In 2011, the famous Moscow mathematicians Nosovsky and Fomenko released another book as part of their work on the New Chronology. The book is called “Pugachev and Suvorov. The Secret of Siberian-American History. ” As the authors write: The tenth book of the Small Series is dedicated to the history of the late XVIII century - the era of Pugachev and Suvorov. It would seem that such a recent history, only 200 years ago, cannot contain anything unexpected. However, it is not. It turns out that it is precisely the end of the XNUMXth century that conceals, in essence, the MAIN RIDDLE OF THE NEWEST HISTORY. Having realized that, we begin to understand, for example, why today it is believed that the XNUMXth century historians "were in many ways mistaken", and their descendants, the XNUMXth century historians, already "knew everything correctly." And also - to understand a lot more in recent history.
    It so happened that for some reason this book passed me by, although I have been interested in the New Chronology for a long time, since the mid-1990s, when I first discovered the two-volume “Rus and Rome” by the above authors. The impression, I must admit, was quite strong - the seemingly simple questions that Nosovsky and Fomenko posed to official historians, for example, where Kulikovo Field was located and where the city of Sarai disappeared, turned out to be very, very ambiguous.
    The problem was different. While Nosovsky and Fomenko trolled professional historians with uncomfortable questions, it was interesting. But later, for some reason, they decided instead of criticizing official history to write their own correct story, which, due to the intensity of pathos and idiocy, turned out to be no worse than that of some Tolkien. In this version of history there was no place for Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome, Christ lived in the Vladimir region, the Russians (they are the Etruscans, they are the Mongol-Tatars) ruled half the planet, Ermak fought with the Indians, and Peter the Great was replaced in Europe. Reading this nonsense pretty quickly bothers, because it is illogical, unscientific and repeats the opus of clowns such as Chudinov and Levashov.
    But when I saw the contents of the book “Pugachev and Suvorov”, I could not resist reading it. For there was a chapter devoted to the subject of my amateur local history interest - Tobolo-Ishim fortified line. Moreover, the name of the chapter simply hit him in the head: “The largest military defenses -“ Siberian lines ”- with a length of more than 2000 miles, erected in the XVIII century supposedly against the“ nomads ”, but in fact, against Tobolsk.”
    That was interesting. In 2010, after my trip to the Pokrovskaya fortress, I became interested in the topic of building Siberian fortified lines and read everything about them that I could find both on paper and on the Internet. I read this ill-fated chapter.
    But first I had to read all the previous chapters. In them, the authors once again retell the old dull myth about the country of Tartaria, which allegedly was located in the territory of Northern Eurasia from the Urals to Kamchatka, and as evidence they cite old European maps with the inscriptions "Tartaria". The authors modestly do not report that the Europeans called present-day Siberia by the word Tartary, and apart from the old geographical maps, there is simply no other evidence of the existence of Tartary. But they report that Muscovy is a part of Tartary that broke away from the metropolis as a result of the civil war, which later became Romanov Russia. At first, the border between the countries passed along the Volga, but then, after a series of military conflicts, Tartaria allegedly retreated to the east and moved the capital from Nizhny Novgorod to Tobolsk. "
    Here is such a blizzard among our sectarians. And they don’t mention the presence of the Dzungars at all.)))))
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      6 July 2015 13: 24
      Quote: Nagaibak
      A little about where such interest comes from the Sbir fortified lines.


      but the fact that a lot of work was invested in these "lines" and the fact that these lines are part of our history you do not take into account? Is it better to jump straight to non-constructive criticism? And not even yours, do you have your own thoughts? Of course not...
      If there is then an answer, who are these "Dzungars", in what sources are they mentioned and why the Romanovs were so afraid of them that they built walls and fortresses for thousands of miles?
      As for Tartaria, will you ignore HUNDREDS of maps with the image of Tartaria, as well as other written sources?
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        6 July 2015 14: 42
        war and peace "Is it better to go straight to non-constructive criticism? And not even yours, you have your own thoughts? Of course not ..."
        your thoughts somehow I didn’t really notice.))) Peppy retelling of sectarian mathematicians no more.
        My questions to you are the following: before what year were the defense lines built? And why did they stop building?))) Did the city of Verkhoturye enter tartaria? What about Tobolsk? And I ignore hundreds of cards easily))) and at ease.))) Maybe you can give evidence from the annals of the Central Asian states, China and Tibet with the mention of the elven state. Or did the Romanovs wash everything there too?
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          6 July 2015 18: 49
          Quote: Nagaibak
          your thoughts somehow I didn’t really notice.))) Peppy retelling of sectarian mathematicians no more.


          I believe, even contrary to the opinion of Fomenko Nosovsky, that the notch lines were NOT MILITARY STRUCTURES, but only demarcation.

          Quote: Nagaibak
          your thoughts somehow I didn’t really notice.))) Peppy retelling of sectarian mathematicians no more.


          Well, this is your problem, how can you notice something if you don’t know the opinion of the opposite point of view? don't know and don't know ...


          Quote: Nagaibak
          My questions to you are the following: before what year were the defense lines built? And why did they stop building


          what impudence, I asked you first, it is not ethical to answer that way, however, it is easy for me to answer you because I know the history, and you adhere to the concept, after the Pugachev war of 1873 the Great Tartary was defeated, but there were still Independent and Chinese Tartaria, Independent is like since there are the same "Dungars" in the presentation of the traditionalists, so perhaps the construction of the lines was completed after the Roman conquests of Central Asia Kaufman, Skobelev, Chernyaev, Romanov Russia fought with Independent Tartary until 1876, approximately in the same years England, France, Russia dealt with China Tartary - the so-called opium wars ...

          Quote: Nagaibak
          Was Verkhoturye included in tartaria? What about Tobolsk?


          Tobolsk was the capital of Great Tartaria ...

          Quote: Nagaibak
          And I ignore hundreds of cards easily))) and at ease.)))


          Well, how so? what is written with a pen cannot be cut down with an ax, however, how can one argue with a person who considers himself involved in the knowledge of historical moments, but doing it selectively is what I will know, and this will not be not scientific, to know the world in this way has always been called Obscurantism, so did the clergy who crucified Giordano Bruno, but after 300 years they apologized for their wrong behavior, so you ...

          Quote: Nagaibak
          You can provide evidence from the texts of the annals of the Central Asian states, China and Tibet with the mention of the elven state. Or did the Romanovs wash everything there too?


          I knew that you were a frivolous person ...
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            6 July 2015 20: 01
            I miss your passages regarding my humble person.))) You are all in them))) I see.
            War and Peace
            "You adhere to the concept, after the Pugachev war of 1873 the Great Tartary was defeated."
            In 1873, Pugachev was not mentioned for a hundred years.)))
            war and peace "Independent and Chinese Tartary, Independent - this is precisely what the traditional Dungars are about."
            Dungar don't know. Dzhungars were about the fact that they are representatives of independent tartaria, I think they did not even suspect.
            war and peace "therefore, it is possible that the construction of the lines was completed after the conquests of the Romanovs in Central Asia. Kaufman, Skobelev, Chernyaev fought Romanov Russia with Independent Tartaria until 1876"
            I read your bosses, they say that tartaria was covered with a copper basin in the years 1816-19, like the eruption of the volcano Krakatau somehow affected it. And you write about the year 1876))) you already somehow decide. And there probably still Vietnamese tartaria survived?)))
            I suspect you Tobolsk did not even see the pictures.))) Meanwhile, there is a good archive. Although you ... the Romanovs have erased everything))) How can I explain to you that the existence of the state would certainly leave a mark in international relations, business documentation, legends and legends. you sit there and suck it out of your finger.)) I have work on Verkhoturye there are residents of the city of the 17th, 18th century and until the end of the 19th century the connection does not break.))) what’s wrong with you? People kept diaries in the 18th and 19th centuries. And you consider the pictures.))) Where are the written documents of the neighboring states?))) And you blame me for being frivolous. The last line was built on the territory of OKV 1835-1840. From Chelyaby to Orsk. Kenesary’s khan attacked her. Or was he tartarara too?))) Today I will not answer anymore. Check out early. Way from Mari El to Eburg. And further to the house. Bye.
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              6 July 2015 22: 02
              Quote: Nagaibak
              In 1873, Pugachev was not mentioned for a hundred years


              in 1773 there was a pugachev war, the rest is all right
              Quote: Nagaibak
              Ital your bosses, they say that tartaria was covered with a copper basin in the years 1816-19, like the eruption of the volcano Krakatau somehow affected it. And you write about the year 1876))) you already somehow decide.


              Fomenko and Nosovsky explored history until the 19th century, but judging by the old maps of the 19th century, the Chinese and Independent Tartaria existed for more than the second half of the 19th century ...


              Quote: Nagaibak
              You suspect Tobolsk has not even seen in the pictures.


              I saw a lot of things here in Tobolsk in the middle of the 18th century, before the war with Pugachev, as we see the tops of temples with the Crescent, which somehow differs from the caconic version of church history ...
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              7 July 2015 08: 35
              you sit there and suck from your finger
              Judging by the agility of the stream of consciousness - far from the finger ... It is terrible to think even from what ... wassat
              How do you explain that the existence of the state would certainly leave a mark in international relations, business documentation, traditions and legends.
              It's useless. Here it is necessary to explain again the class so from the 3rd to the university. Moreover, without missing anything, and so that a person learns to think.
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            8 July 2015 06: 11
            In vain have they fenced instead of setting up rare border pillars?
  8. +3
    6 July 2015 15: 06
    "By the way, what is the difference between a fort and a castle? There are many definitions of both, but there is not one that would indicate an exhaustive difference between them."

    Here is what is written in the fortification dictionary of V.F. Sperka.

    The fortified castle - the fortified dwelling of the feudal lord, erected on a hard-to-reach place, protected by natural obstacles. The fortification consisted of high, initially wooden, and then stone, thick walls with towers in the corners and a deep moat in front of them. Usually, the castle had inside a special fortification - a high tower of the donjon, where the feudal lord actually lived with his family and closest relatives. After the victory of absolutism, the feudal lords were forbidden to build a U.Z., and from that time only suburban villas were built that retained only the external form of the castle.

    Fort (lat. Fortis - strong, strong) - closed fortifications of a long or temporary nature, the main element of the belt of the external fortifications of the fortress.

    In the XVII - XVIII century., In contrast to the fortress. The fortifications were originally called separate fortifications containing only a military garrison and protecting individual defiles, bridges, roads, etc. At the end of the 18th century. the French engineer Montalamber first proposed to build F. in front of the fortress fence at commanding heights. The first F. were stone towers with four-tier artillery defense. The number of guns reached 72, and numerous casemates made it possible, maneuvering artillery, to develop strong fire at any point within the reach of an artillery shot. Montalamber towers have found a single application, and in general the idea of ​​a fortress was not appreciated by contemporaries. They began to be erected gradually only after the Napoleonic wars. The main types of F. at that time were French - a bastion system with four or five bastions, and German - a caponier system in the form of a pentagon, with two caponiers at the lateral shoulder angles and a mushroom-shaped capiton reduit in the middle of the gorge face. Garrison F. consisted of 2 - 4 mouth with 20 - 50 guns.

    Everything, it seems to me, is clear and understandable.
    Article impression: "Shake, but don't mix."
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      6 July 2015 15: 26
      Quote: tasha
      Fort (lat. Fortis - strong, strong) - closed fortifications of a long or temporary nature, the main element of the belt of the external fortifications of the fortress.



      -ORDA - in Russian, the medieval Mongolian army, a synonym for disorder (went on the offensive horde, damned horde, etc.)
      -ORDUNUNG- order (it)
      -ORDER-order in business
      -ORDER- ship formation
      -ORDEN-reward for valor
      -L-ORD- LORD
      -n_a (O) P_ (o) _D- people-clan-horde-
      -p_OR_ya_D_ok- order
      -sub_ ORD_information-submission, power

      Let's continue there are more new words (not my observation)
      -proud
      -solid
      -wORD-word
      -wOR_l_D-world
      -swORD-sword, saber, rapier
      -BARDAC- mess
      chords and flanges are borders, these concepts go from the borders of states
      -MORDOVIA- region, country
      -Morda is the obvious antonym in meaning, a vulgarization of the meaning of the word
      -CABARDU- obviously from the Horde
      here you can also include the toponyms ORD_es-i-Monte Perdida - national park in Spain
      somewhere I saw ODESSA-ORDESSA on old maps, you need to search
      -d_a (O) RDA_nely- quite a definite toponym -binding to a place, and therefore to the state, and therefore again to the ORDER-ORDER
      -kav_ARDA_k-distorted to DEFECT, or rather the beginning of the word from DAMAGE, and the rest of the Horde is done on the same principle as the BARDAC, i.e. worsen and vulgarize the meaning of the ORD-ORDER
      -CAVALERGUARDS, GUARDEMARINS- Horde seems to be read in the root, but here probably in a different way, comes from the French. GUARD, and fr. GUARD -Garage is a Russian garden-fence-enclose -city, however, it may also have gone from the Horde
      -PORTS - in the sense of pants, well, the same thing to vulgarize the meaning of the ORDER -ORDS
      -PORT-PORT -ORDA here definitely
      -D_ORT_MUND- at the root of the Horde
      -Ko_ORD_INATY- this is what I like unambiguously showing the direction to the HORDE AND THE SELF-WORD is Russian, the Russian prefix is ​​K
      so what do we see? this is the very medieval Great Horde - AUTHORITY, in all languages, ORDER, and only in the most distorted- Russian mess, how does it happen that the languages ​​of the world have preserved the memory of the previous great order of things, and we are told that it was a great mess?

      here is the FORT (D) -Hordian fortress ...
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        6 July 2015 15: 38
        Get involved with drugs.
  9. +1
    6 July 2015 16: 48
    A bit of lyrics, if unreadable, here is the linkhttp: //img0.joyreactor.cc/pics/post/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%81%D1
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  10. -1
    7 July 2015 16: 47
    Thanks to the author for the article, very interesting. Military art is developing and improving. When it was bow and arrow, squeaked and mortars, there were fortresses and castles, but all this sunk into the summer. Modern military affairs dictate the use of lightning-fast air strikes, fortresses are no longer saved, although various fortifications are still being used. Perhaps in 50 years of battle will unfold in space and on other planets, using more advanced weapons. I do not think that the development of arms on planet Earth may stop ...