The grave of victims of the Volyn massacre?

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The grave of victims of the Volyn massacre?

In Vladimir-Volynsky, under the walls of an old prison, a giant grave of those shot during the Second World War was found.
All killed out of German identity weapons - "Walter" or "Parabellum". About one in five is a child. In the tomb length 14 meters a lot of female skeletons. The pre-war Polish-made household items found in the dead show that the victims were either Polish or Polish Jews. Before the war, a huge Polish community lived in Volyn, most of which was destroyed by Bandera during the ethnic cleansing of the year 1943 (the so-called Volyn Massacre). More research is needed to establish the exact year in which these people died. But now we can definitely say that the shot women and children are victims of either the occupying German authorities, or Western Ukrainian policemen who were in the service of the Nazis, and then dissolved after the retreat of the German army in the ranks of the UPA.

The Soviet administration, which controlled Volyn in 1939 — 1941, was hardly involved in the burial found. Firstly, the NKVD did not have expensive imported German pistols - in the office of fellow countryman Saakashvilli, Lavrentiy Beria was shot with ordinary guns, valued for reliability. And, secondly, the then USSR was pursuing a different policy regarding Polish citizens. Too cruel, but far from Nazi atrocities. The “class-alien” elements of pre-war Polish society (bureaucrats, businessmen, just well-to-do people and their family members) and ordinary Polish peasants (so-called “osadnik”) were sent from Volhynia and Galicia to the East - most often to Siberia and Kazakhstan. An example of such a fate is the world-famous director Jerzy Hoffman, a child expelled from his homeland by the Soviet authorities, but later even graduated from the Moscow State Institute of Cinematography. And the Nazis and Bandera did not resort to expulsion. The former loved to shoot Polish hostages for contacting the Home Army, and the latter - to kill the Poles simply because they were Poles.
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  1. -7
    20 October 2011 11: 31
    What do you mean there were no German pistols? But what about Katyn? But what about the purchase of a large batch of Walthers and their ammunition in the late 30s? These are all fairly well-known facts.
    So I would not be in a hurry to write off the department of the fellow countryman Saakashvilli.
    1. +1
      20 October 2011 11: 48
      What Katyn? Yeltsin-Putin? Another garbage bluff of American licking? Just in Katyn, everything is arranged on the shelves at the end of the war, justified, documented. Read the primary sources, the memoirs of contemporaries, and not the custom-made inventions of the shifters ...
    2. sirToad
      0
      20 October 2011 11: 53
      But can I talk about the Walters in more detail? By the way, what model do you mean?
    3. +2
      20 October 2011 18: 03
      You see, Katyn is a loose concept. Our Polish officers fired, albeit not in such volumes - after the trial and quite for specific cases (the executed father of the director A. Wajda was not just anyone, but the commandant of a prisoner of war camp; however, the director himself is shyly silent about his father's kind of service) - You remember that in Poland Russian prisoners of the Red Army were starved and sick, and mocked in every possible way for entertainment. But the Germans also fired a lot there, and shot a lot more than ours - hence the German bullets and cartridges. By the way, not only Polish officers and those suspected of being underground, but also Jews were fired there. We had small (just small!) Consignments of foreign weapons, but only for special operations, to which mass shootings were not at all related (let me remind you that, according to V. Suvorov (Rezun), ours were going to fight with Germany, "liberate Europe" from evil Hitler, and weapons - not only "Walters" - were of different brands and models). Our Yeltsin licks did not begin to explain or investigate anything (and what, in Poland, interested persons do not know all this, or what?), But simply decided to surrender everything and everyone, in fact, betray the history of their country (sorry, I must be paranoid, but maybe "our great friend USA" suggested?)
      1. +1
        21 October 2011 09: 14
        I absolutely agree with you - since there is no radiocarbon expertise and strong evidence of forgery of the commission’s expert examination of the Burdenko commission --- is it worth believing that the shooting of 2 dozen pistols by 12000 people is not just ridiculous - they pay money to idiots.
    4. +1
      21 October 2011 09: 03
      Where you saw the NKVD officers with time-stamped Walters and parabellums or found handouts, in those days you weren’t joking with the distribution of weapons, especially imported ones. And without evidence, Katyn is not an example.
  2. -3
    20 October 2011 12: 34
    Yablokov (investigator): Dmitry Stepanovich, what weapons did you and other NKVD officers have?
    Tokarev: Full-time weapons - TT. True, I had a small pocket German pistol Walter. But when Blokhin, Sinegubov and Krivenko arrived, they brought a whole suitcase of pistols. It turned out that these pistols wear out quickly. Therefore, they brought a whole suitcase.
    Yablokov: And which pistols?
    Tokarev: Walter pistols, in my opinion, Walter.
    Yablokov: And there were no others?
    Tokarev: I do not remember. Maybe later there were others.
    Yablokov: And what were the rules?
    Tokarev: It's hard, it's hard to say ... Well, it was not forbidden to have other weapons.
    Yablokov: If I understood correctly, Polish prisoners of war were shot from the Walters. Yes?
    Tokarev: From the Walters. I know this very well, since we brought them a whole suitcase. Blokhin himself directed this. He gave them pistols, and when the “work” was over - the work in quotation marks - the pistols were taken away. Blokhin himself took it.
    1. sirToad
      +4
      20 October 2011 12: 50
      about this one has already been ... funny. the officer does not know what brand of weapon he used. "little walther" full suitcase. And they ate babies at night, huh? So all the same - what model? small pocket? and what caliber? let me tell you: in the thirties, the Walter company produced approx. 30 types of pistols. calibers from 6,35 to 9 mm. a dozen of them can be called "small pocket" ones.
      And yet - all this interrogation protocol - baby talk. Possibly, the Polish investigators represent the conduct of the interrogation in the framework of the criminal case. current, my young friend, I can say that we, the bloody ghouls, the heirs of the NKVD were taught somewhat differently.
      1. +2
        21 October 2011 01: 01
        With regard to the protocol: the target audience of this "document" in the police or KGB office work, for the most part, does not understand. Therefore, such a thing, simple and straightforward, will do.
    2. LESHA pancake
      +1
      20 October 2011 14: 30
      I NOODLE ON YOUR EARS.
    3. +1
      20 October 2011 18: 15
      Sorry, dear, I don't trust. Been in interrogations. Like a suspect. At the cops. The special services should ask much differently than what is written here. And the answers should be detailed. Even in memoirs, this habit of accuracy and detail persists. Models, calibres, maybe other details should be indicated.
      And then: "a whole suitcase" of "quickly wearing out" pistols ... "Walters" even of the ladies' type under caliber 6.35 were of very high quality, I saw a PPK pistol of this caliber, from which, according to the examination, about 1000 (thousand) shots were fired ... Everything worked there, and nothing jammed during the control shot, although they fired 2 clips of 8 rounds. And even a suitcase is not enough for mass production. And after the execution, to select the trunks is nonsense, they must be cleaned!
      By the way, operational activity was called work, and execution - execution.
      And one more thing: until May 1940, either Nagan or TK was the standard weapon of the NKVD officers.
      Conclusion: the inconsistencies are continuous. There is no trust in this data.
      1. sirToad
        0
        21 October 2011 04: 27
        do not you confuse? PPK is practically a PM, it happened to be disassembled, it could have a caliber of 8 - 9 mm. and a small, so to speak, pocket caliber 6,35 is either TP or TPH. but these two are post-war models of this caliber. before the war, this caliber had "numbered models" - No. 7, No. 8, No. 9
    4. 0
      24 October 2011 16: 01
      only continuation of this protocol can be funnier.
      1. sirToad
        0
        24 October 2011 16: 06
        But what, have they continued the sequel? or is it a series?
  3. fedora
    0
    20 October 2011 12: 43
    К heruv1me very interesting, please tell the source of the interrogation?
  4. -2
    20 October 2011 12: 55
    This is an interrogation not of D.K. Tokarev, the head of the NKVD in the Kalinin Region, who participated in the execution of the Poles near Tver in 1940.
    The excerpt is on Wikipedia, where you can also find links to sources.
    About Katyn, recently a lot of materials have been published and I have no reason not to trust them. Of course, you can believe Morozov’s investigation (as I thought the name of the investigator who was investigating the Soviet side) is your right, there are still plenty of advocates of the NKVD’s version of non-involvement. I’m completely sure that Uncle Joe remained true to his habits in this matter.
    1. sirToad
      +2
      20 October 2011 13: 09
      I am reporting to you once again - this is not an interrogation, but a conversation between two inhabitants on a bench. if the former head of the NKVD really answered that way, then he simply sculpted a hunchback. either it's just crap. and pedivikia is not the ultimate truth. and I believe only reliable sources. so they taught ghouls who eat babies and packs of innocents from pocket small pistols. and as I understand it, you believed in the truth of the version put forward by the Gestapo and supported by the Poles.
      And who is Uncle Joe? Is that your relative? so I don’t know him; I don’t live in America. and what habits he has, I don’t know.
  5. -4
    20 October 2011 13: 16
    With you, the bloody ghouls and the heirs of the NKVD, I don’t want to talk at all and I won’t prove anything. My great-grandfather tried, to no avail. He spent half his life after such conversations in the camp, and his parents were generally shot for two cows.
    1. sirToad
      -1
      20 October 2011 13: 19
      you have nothing to prove. but about your great-grandfather and half his life in the camp - on the fly composed? and about two cows?
      1. +3
        20 October 2011 19: 17
        My great-grandfather in 1939 also caught ten years without the right of correspondence. My parents sincerely consider him a victim of repression. So I thought, until I came across after the death of my grandfather, his son, a pack of very interesting letters and notebooks. My great-grandfather, clever and scientist, was indulging in politics in the early 20s in the Left Socialist-Revolutionary Party (perhaps earlier, only evidence of this is all indirect). I dabbled in Browning. And was taken for real business.
        And for two cows they planted, deported, but did not shoot. There could be something else.
        1. sirToad
          0
          21 October 2011 03: 29
          the fact of the matter is that in the 80s, in his youth, he sincerely believed in this offal - massive repressions, innocent victims. but here, as if it were a sin, they sent us cadets to the council to drag the old rubbish from the archive (transferred to the city archive). the cap that was with us moved about his business and for the sake of interest I began to open and view. what I managed to look through is those 100 to 70. Then I started to be interested. Zemskov has approximately the same data. out of 2 million sedentary, he counted about 700 thousand politicians. I do not deny the very fact of repression - my great-grandfather, for example, was indignant for a long time that the kulaks were brutally treated until he was shortened. But I hate these liberoid myths about atrocities, "half the country in the camps", "millions of people who were shot", etc. before lamenting about the victims, I always recommend to look into the investigation file
  6. -1
    20 October 2011 13: 31
    sirToad,
    This is you in vain ... Although what else to expect from you.
  7. sirToad
    +1
    20 October 2011 13: 37
    you do not poke me, my dear. how much I sat and for what - I’m quite guided by myself. and looked at investigative matters. and I know that 100% of those who shouted about the victims of repression turned out to be checked - 70% are banal criminals.
    1. LESHA pancake
      +1
      20 October 2011 14: 32
      SUCH PROMISES BECAUSE AND SELL YOUR PEOPLE WITH GRAVES FOR THE GREEN CARD.
    2. ZHORA
      0
      20 October 2011 14: 33
      ordinary moral ur0d
  8. 0
    24 October 2011 16: 08
    Guys! You are not writing something about that! here is a specific article about the "Volyn massacre" or the extermination of Jews. It’s proven that the NKVD didn’t shoot children in such quantities. And here every fifth killed is a child! So, regardless of the brands of bullets, you can see the ears of either the Germans or the nonesh heroes of Ukraine - the UPAsh or Bandera. Now let svidomye now about the "righteous struggle of the patriots of ukrainy" who shoot children and share their thoughts.
    1. sirToad
      0
      24 October 2011 16: 13
      Excuse me, but what am I actually trying to convey to the surrounding public all this time? but I only have time to be rude and put cons!

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