KRET has developed an astronavigation system for the Tu-160

Specialists of the Radioelectronic Technologies Concern (KRET) have developed the ANS-2009 astronavigation system for long-range aircraft aviation Russian Air Force, including for the Tu-160, which allows you to determine the coordinates based on data on the position of the stars.

Novelty calculates the speed and coordinates of the object with high accuracy, which does not depend on the duration of the flight, using the calculation method relative to the position of the stars using the unit of calculations, interfacing and control.

“Such a method is as reliable as possible in combat conditions when navigation satellite systems can be disabled by the enemy. The ANS-2009 can be installed on an airplane along with free-flow inertial navigation systems (SINS) that do not require external reference points or signals coming from outside, ”the company’s first deputy general director, Vladimir Mikheev, said. "Military Industrial Courier".

Mikheev noted that the installation of various navigational instruments (SINS, ANS, SNA and others) on board the aircraft creates a completely autonomous navigation system capable of determining coordinates with high accuracy due to correction.

According to him, the technical developments in the ANS-2009 system will be used in a promising long-range aviation complex.

Comments

[Igor Polovodov]

Guiding stars! It looks a bit archaic, however - the first landmarks for travelers have always been just stars. A beautiful semantic image, and most importantly looking up!

[Nitarius]

Well hello archaic .. working on boats and nothing! and here it’s archiacal! here you are!

[vkl-47]

Crab is generally a big-headed guys. Then various electronic warfare devices do now what kind of thing. Soon the force field will probably

[Igor Polovodov]

Archaic, regarding the oldest way of navigation! Return to the roots, so to speak!

[aleks 62]

..... well hello archaically .. it works on boats and nothing! ....

..... And boats Th ????? ..... The stars go ???? ..... I thought that their main system is inertial .....

[Mitek]

This has been working on ICBMs for a very long time. And most importantly, it does not depend on satellites that can be beaten and on signals that can be drowned out.

[Professor]

Quote: Mitek

This has been working on ICBMs for a very long time. And most importantly, it does not depend on satellites that can be beaten and on signals that can be drowned out.

ICBM transcends the atmosphere of the earth where it contemplates the stars. And when was the last time you saw the stars at noon? And with clouds?

[Evgeny_Lev]

Are there many clouds at a flight altitude of TU-160?


Yes, and you should not think that such a system as ZhiPiEs in continuous operation.
Most likely, a one-time reading of the location, and then the location is calculated by calculating the speeds and course.

[aleks 62]

..... And when was the last time you saw the stars at noon? And with clouds? ....

..... Stars are not necessary .... It is possible to reckon both on the sun and on the moon .... At the altitudes of Tu always there are either stars (at night) or the sun (during the day) ...

[Professor]

Quote: aleks 62

..... Stars are not necessary .... It is possible to reckon both on the sun and on the moon .... At the altitudes of Tu always there are either stars (at night) or the sun (during the day) ...

At least 3 (three) landmarks are required to determine a location in space. As far as I remember, the sun on our planet has only one thing.

[aleks 62]

..... At least 3 (three) landmarks are required to determine a location in space. As far as I remember, the sun on our planet has only one .....

.... Actually, 2 landmarks are enough .... If more, then the accuracy is higher (direct analogy with GPS satellites) .... If the star (sun), then there are special. tables .... In general, if you don’t have to tell the whole process for a long time, you need to know: date (month, day), angle of light and exact time ..... From the tables we determine the place (with acceptable accuracy) ... ..In principle, in the days of Columbus they did the same ..... Only the accuracy was lower ....

[Professor]

Quote: aleks 62

.... Actually, 2 landmarks are enough ....

No, not enough. You simply will not know which side we say in the air of the trees you are on.

Quote: aleks 62

If by the luminary (sun), then for this there are specials. tables .... In general, if you don’t have to tell the whole process for a long time, you need to know: date (month, day), angle of light and exact time ..... From the tables we determine the place (with acceptable accuracy) ... ..In principle, in the days of Columbus they did the same ..... Only the accuracy was lower ....

The good old determination of coordinates by the sun using a sextant does not allow it to be practically used on bombers in view of insufficient accuracy.

[aleks 62]

..... No, not enough. You simply will not know which side we say the air of the trees you are ....

.... Prof ... !!!! .... Take my word .... Enough .... I listened to the basics of astronavigation in my time (though without in-depth study, for general development .... Well, this is Prof. navigators, and I'm a little on the wrong topic) .... Regarding 2 landmarks: all modern radio navigation on drive radio stations (used both in radio systems for short-range and long-distance navigation) is based on this principle ... Chickens (heading angles of radio stations) are determined, roughly speaking bearings (tied to magnetic meridians) ... So the option ".... will not know which side, say, in the air of the trees you are." will not work .. If you are very interested, then read the relevant literature ... Regarding the accuracy I wrote already .... For a bomber to go to the launch point of missiles plus or minus 10-20 km somewhere over the Pacific Ocean is already good ... Moreover, the positioning accuracy directly depends on the time accuracy, sampling angles and data processing speed ... .

[Professor]

I myself am not a navigator, but they taught us navigation in the navy not bad. Later I was engaged in triangulation and I can even sketch out a scheme for you "about 2 trees". Moreover, even 2 satellites are not enough for you to determine the coordinates, you need at least 3.
Nevertheless, the use of the sun to determine the location of a bomber is a childhood like astronautics. The bourgeoisie abandoned astronavigation in the Kyrgyz Republic a very long time ago and did not give up a good life.

[aleks 62]

..... Moreover, even 2 satellites are not enough for you to determine the coordinates, you need at least 3.
Nevertheless, the use of the sun to determine the location of a bomber is a childhood like astronautics. The bourgeoisie abandoned astronavigation in the Kyrgyz Republic a very long time ago and did not give up a good life .....

..... I don’t argue about satellites, and I wrote about driving radio stations .... Naturally, the more points of sight, the greater the accuracy ..... I believe that the described astronavigation system does not replace the main (inertial, GPS , RSBN and RSDN), but complements .... And in a pinch, it can be used as the main ...

[Sling]

What’s the atmosphere here? At what altitude does long-range aviation fly? Something you sir coffee did not finish in the morning

[Professor]

Quote: Sling

What’s the atmosphere here?

Hmm Any transparency there ....

Quote: Sling

At what altitude does long-range aviation fly?

15 meters. And clouds on our planet are pearly (at an altitude of 000-20 km above the Earth's surface) and silver (at an altitude of 30-76 km above the Earth's surface). Have you heard about tropopause? So much for the coffee.

[veksha50]

Quote: Igor Polovodov

It looks a bit archaic, however - the first landmarks for travelers have always been just stars.

Consider that sextant or astrolabe in a modern form, at the level of modern technology created ...

The most important thing is that the stars will not go anywhere, but the satellite constellation can bark at any moment ...

[sasha.28blaga]

don't say anything for the stars. How do you know who Zvezdun and who Zvezdet?
driving

[Homo]

Quote: Igor Polovodov

Guiding stars! It looks a bit archaic, however - the first landmarks for travelers have always been just stars. A beautiful semantic image, and most importantly looking up!

Your commentary is a vivid example of idle talk and worthlessness (about which there was an article above)! And I already wrote about archaic, let's ban the wheel - this is super-archaic!

[Throw]

"Giant of thought" number 2 is growing ..))

[Hammer]

Everything was done correctly. It is much better to develop and modernize the well-functioning, but old, than to "reinvent the wheel" every time.
In other matters, one does not cancel the other. Judging by the article, two navigation systems (old-new) astro-correction and a new SINS will work on the Tu-160, mutually complementing each other. In our life, a huge number of things with their archaism go deep into history, but everyone enjoys using it.

[ancient]

Quote: Hammer

Judging by the article, two navigation systems (old-new) with astro correction and a new SINS will work on the Tu-160, mutually complementing each other

If according to the article, then yes, but in fact there is also K-042K-1 (a modernized inertial two-channel navigation system that is part of the aiming and navigation complex) .

[Dies Irae]

This, by the way, is a great solution.
Experts are absolutely right, if the Tu-160 has to be used for real (and this, I dare to remind, is our long-range aviation, which carries nuclear missiles on board), then, most likely, by that time the satellite group will have already been destroyed or jammed. Not only ours, but also the "potential enemy". I wonder what NATO pilots will do in such a situation?

[veksha50]

Quote: Dies Irae

It is interesting what in this situation NATO pilots will do?

Most likely, they should also have similar developments ...

Sometimes I think that too often our "live" about the latest developments talk ... It would be much better for the enemy to meet with such developments unexpectedly ... Let's just say, at a time when their pilots "would be blinded and deaf, "then ours would have been able to carry out a combat mission under similar conditions ...

Still, the system of preserving state and military secrets in the USSR did not exist in vain and worked ...

[Dies Irae]

Quote: veksha50

Sometimes I think that too often our "live" talks about the latest developments ... It would be much better for the enemy to meet with such developments unexpectedly ...

Apparently, another concept is working today.
Previously, in the event of the outbreak of war, neither NATO members nor the Russians really had any idea what they would face. That is, some of the enemy's technologies were known, of course, especially armored vehicles or aviation there, but what was crammed into this armored vehicle, in general, is not clear. Either an infrared searchlight is installed on the tower, or a "death ray" with a firing range of 6 kilometers ...
And today, probably, they work "by contradiction": it is better to warn the "partner" that there are means for waging war in the most unfavorable conditions - without a satellite group in orbit, for example, in conditions of complete autonomy. Who knows if such information stopped the "civilizers" from hitting in time. After all, there were periods, especially in the 90s, when Russia could be taken with one swift blow - the population died out and survived as skillfully, the army was a semblance of today's Ukrainian, the president did not come out of a vodka coma, "their" officials of all stripes and ranks with great enthusiasm they exchanged everything, secrets, military secrets and materials for "evergreen" American rubles ... And at the same time - information about the creation of a "black shark", for example.
Well, this is, in general, as I imagine, an exclusively unprofessional and amateurish opinion. In general, like a bright color in the world of wildlife: "Do not touch me, I am poisonous!" - and whoever "touched" it, he’s freezing in the ravine ...

[veksha50]

Quote: Dies Irae

Apparently, another concept is working today.

I generally agree with your point of view, a tendency to warn: do not touch, I am poisonous, but not all secrets need to be called around the world ...

They said that they would build still new Tu-160s, and even upgrade them - this, I think, was warned ...
But about how - they upgraded, plus also independence from the satellite constellation - probably it would be worthwhile to remain silent in order to create a precedent for an unpleasant surprise for the enemy ...

[Dryuya2]

Quote: veksha50

Sometimes I think that too often our "live" talks about the latest developments ... It would be much better for the enemy to meet with such developments unexpectedly

sometimes knowledge that a neighbor has a gun or a gun will stop many hotheads from rash acts.

[WUS 068]

There is nothing new here. The astronavigator was developed and made back in the USSR. Think about how automatic satellites navigate in space? Just a new email. base. Better software.

[ancient]

Quote: Dies Irae

This, by the way, is a great solution.

With all due respect, +! But ... a very controversial decision ... very Even in peacetime ... more or less, but accuracy ... "plus or minus two bast shoes on the map", but in combat conditions ... call

Now the second - the quote ".. Specialists of the Concern Radioelectronic Technologies" (KRET) have developed the ANS-2009 astronavigation system for long-range aircraft of the Russian Air Force, including the Tu-160, which allows you to determine coordinates based on the position of the stars. "

KRET he is so ... this .. KRET

In fact - All this is "engaged" by such an "organization" as MIEA (Moscow Institute of Electromechanics and Automation "

In 2015, OJSC MIEA plans to carry out the following activities:

1. R&D in support of the State Defense Order:
1.1 Tu-160 aircraft under the state contract with the Ministry of Industry and Trade:
· - Development of the design documentation for the prototypes ANS-2009-1.
· - Production, conduct of PI, adjustment of the design documentation, ground testing of the prototype on the stands.
What "side" is here ... "KRET experts .." developed "

This also applies to the BINS-SP-1 and -2M, ANS-2009 systems (and for 70s, 95MSM and 80) as well as ABSU, NVU, KSU, ASShU, SAU, etc., etc.

[FID]

Quote: ancient

KRET he is so ... this .. KRET

Hello old friend! I must report to you that back in 1986, they were going to put and fly around on the "70" AIK (astro-inertial complex) product, even the rates of alcohol consumption were already determined, but the ABSU-200 was modified for series 1 and, further, the damned 90 -e ... So the AIK remained unclaimed. And yesterday I read - KRET invented ... Yes, I think the guys are not a miss ...

[veksha50]

Quote: SSI

Yes, I think guys are not a miss ...

Yes, now a lot of developments emerge from the late 80s, and are presented as the newest ... Well, let it remain on the conscience of the "developers", if only it would be beneficial ...

[ancient]

Quote: SSI

And yesterday I read - KRET invented .... Yes, I think the guys did not miss ...

Hi Sergey Ivanovich! So on the site there was already another "urya-article" on the topic "invention of ABSU-200 by KRET", though when they did it, 200, in my opinion, about KRET and .. "the flies did not whisper"
Sergey Ivanovich and another question .... as far as possible lighting , of course ... what is ABSU-145MTs, 4503M naturally

[FID]

Quote: ancient

What is ABSU-145MTs?

It seems that this is a revision for "Hephaestus", when the machine turns from the PNK commands, but I'll find out more precisely, I'll write it down.

[aleks 62]

.... It is interesting what NATO pilots will do in such a situation? ...

..... Use an inertial navigation system .... If this is not possible, then the RSBN and RSDN systems (short-range navigation and long-range navigation systems) .... Everything will not go out .... Something will remain ..... Actually astrosystems are used to correct other navigation systems ... This is an additional system .... Quite a little accuracy in determining the place (due to the peculiarities of numbering and technically) .....

[Vadim237]

It would be good to introduce an astroscopic navigator on all rockets - the satellites will die, but it is not possible to shoot down the stars.

[hohkn]

Independence from satellite navigation is a great thing! In the event of a global conflict, satellites will be one of the first targets.

[Alex_2015]

"New"?
But what about missiles of the Strategic Missile Forces and submarines - by compass?

[Dies Irae]

Probably a "novelty" for aviation.

[ancient]

Quote: Dies Irae

Probably a "novelty" for aviation.

For aviation this is ... "Stone Age" even at the "dawn of Soviet power" astrocompasses of the DAK-DB type were used (of course, only on many local machines), because. especially for him, a separate crew member was needed, who, firstly, was engaged purely with this compass (entering all kinds of installation data and then searching and direction finding - just started after starting the engines and switching to onboard power) and secondly ... carried a special briefcase with astroatlases and collections of amendments to them).
So just after the transition I started, well, by the time of landing, God forbid ... I managed to finish and something .. "to catch".

Shorter than CI (bovine eye) compared to DAK-DB .... inertial system versus .. not correctable by DGMK GPK

[aleks 62]

.... For aviation, this is ... "Stone Age" even at the "dawn of Soviet power" astrocompasses of the DAK-DB type were used (of course, only on many local cars), ...

..... It seems that the only good comment in the harmonious chorus is "uryayayaya !!!" ..... Even at the dawn of aviation, and specifically in the Polar Aviation, such a gadget was on the IL-14 and the staff navigator was engaged in this matter. .... A good thing in high latitudes, where there is no radio navigation ... Only the accuracy is low ... But it was enough to determine the accuracy of plus or minus 10-20 km ...

[Homo]

Quote: Alex_2015

"New"?
But what about missiles of the Strategic Missile Forces and submarines - by compass?

This is when the strategic missile forces missiles flew according to GPS?

[aleks 62]

.... But what about the Strategic Missile Forces and the PL missiles — by compass? ....

.... There are inertial navigation systems .... Recently, and with astro correction ....

[twincam]

navigate in space by stars (star map) is much more independent than GPS (no one will turn it off, it will not worsen).

[activator]

Novelty calculates the speed and coordinates of the object with high accuracy, which does not depend on the duration of the flight, using the calculation method relative to the position of the stars using the unit of calculations, interfacing and control.

Sorry for that. What could be stupid, but if you fly during the day and the stars are not visible? Who in the subject tell me.

[meriem1]

That we do not see the stars of the day. The range is narrow. Appliances do not care. Night or day. Ability to work in a wide range of emissions and high sensitivity.

[ancient]

Quote: meriem1

Ability to work in a wide range of emissions and high sensitivity.

Do not confuse the observatory and the plane .... "sizes" you know ... different

[Homo]

Quote: activator

Sorry for that. What could be stupid, but if you fly during the day and the stars are not visible? Who in the subject tell me.

Have you ever wondered how stars see telescopes? They do not only work at night!

[ancient]

Quote: Homo

Have you ever wondered how stars see telescopes?

Telescope on an airplane? Yeah

[ancient]

Quote: activator

Sorry for that. What could be stupid, but if you fly during the day and the stars are not visible? Who in the subject tell me.

The stars are always visible .. another thing is if you "walk" in the clouds or at low altitudes .. then nothing

[LVMI1980]

in the sun (the principle is similar)

[ancient]

Quote: LVMI1980

in the sun

And what ... the cloudiness "does not work" on the sun? +!

[activator]

Quote: ancient

The stars are always visible .. another thing is if you "walk" in the clouds or at low altitudes .. then nothing

Does it mean there is equipment on the plane that in the upper atmosphere sees stars in the same spectrum as the eye?

[ancient]

Quote: activator

Does it mean there is equipment on the plane that in the upper atmosphere sees stars in the same spectrum as the eye?

The topic is very "boring" and .. "nasty" In short:
Astrocompasses are classified according to the following criteria:
- according to the measurement methods are divided into horizontal (DAK-DB, DAK-I) and equatorial (AK-53P, AK-59P, DAK-B). In horizontal astrocompasses, the direction-finding plane coincides with the vertical of the luminary, and in equatorial ones it coincides with the declination circle of the luminary;
-by the types of perceived radiation can be optical, polarized and radio astronomical;
-in appearance of direction-finding celestial bodies are divided into solar, lunar and stellar;
- according to the level of automation, they are classified into non-automatic (visual), semi-automatic (visual search for a star, and direction finding - automatic) and automatic.

For more details ... see here -http: //www.airwiki.org/breo/pnk/pnk9.html

The method of "work" (use for navigation purposes) is here- http://stu.sernam.ru/book_aa.php?id=39

[Dryuya2]

Quote: activator

if you fly during the day and the stars are not visible?

as in a joke
Brezhnev called a group of astronauts.
- Comrades! The Americans landed on the moon. We consulted and decided that
you fly to the sun!
- So we’ll burn, Leonid Ilyich!
“Do not be afraid, comrades, the party has thought of everything.” You will fly at night.
=====

KRET has developed an astronavigation system for the Tu-160

but what about board number 1, because there will be more "bombs"?
here I have a question - developed or modified under the TU-160?

[driver]

Lavochkin also developed a star-guided cruise missile. Only "The Tempest" was not allowed into the series.

[V.ic]

I recall the 8 Mi-1974T. The navigator also had an astrocompass on the right above his head. I don’t remember the name, unfortunately.

[Cheshire]

KRET well done, even if KAPO also consistently pleased with good news, one could be calm for the future of the Tu-160

[twincam]

Quote: activator

Novelty calculates the speed and coordinates of the object with high accuracy, which does not depend on the duration of the flight, using the calculation method relative to the position of the stars using the unit of calculations, interfacing and control.

Sorry for that. What could be stupid, but if you fly during the day and the stars are not visible? Who in the subject tell me.

Duc card in the computer.
Do you think they have a sextant on the plane? ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

[Mercenary]

Columbus discovered America by stars, and I hope Tu-160 by stars I hope will be able to close at least the northern part.

[johanson]

Columbus sailed on maps, of which there were plenty then.

[valokordin]

Remarkably, it remains to resume the production of the Tu-160 in Kazan.

[NEXUS]

Apparently, the system gives some advantages and accuracy in navigation. Behind beautiful names and obscure obscure explanations, a very cunning system with a lot of possibilities can hide. And knowing that the children from KRET do not eat their bread for nothing, I think this system will help our Swans and not only to them.

[ancient]

Quote: NEXUS

And knowing that the children from KRET do not eat their bread for nothing, I think this system will help our Swans and not only them.

I already wrote above .... all these systems have nothing to do with the "kids from KRET".

[evge-malyshev]

Quote: ancient

I already wrote above .... all these systems have nothing to do with the "kids from KRET".

Let me remind you: MIEA is part of KRET. And the so-called. the new development, in fact, is an improved AIC. Most likely the complex is based on a new (digital) elemental and computing base.

[ancient]

Quote: evge-malyshev

Let me remind you: MIEA is part of KRET.

It’s necessary for the peasants to call .... otherwise they don’t know yet ... probably

Here .. "KRET":
• JSC Concern Radioelectronic Technologies, Moscow
• OJSC “Production Association“ Kvant ”, Novgorod Region
• FSUE “Kaluga Research Radio Engineering Institute”, Kaluga Region.
• JSC "All-Russian Research Institute" Gradient ", Rostov Region.
• OJSC "Design Bureau for Radio Monitoring, Navigation and Communication", Rostov Region.
• JSC "Bryansk Electromechanical Plant", Bryansk region.
• FSUE "Kaluga Radio Equipment Plant", Kaluga Region.
• FSUE "Moscow Plant of Radio Engineering Equipment", Moscow
• FSUE "Research Institute" Screen ", Samara region.
• FSUE “Research Institute of Special Information and Measuring Systems”, Rostov Region
• OJSC Rostov Plant Pribor, Rostov Region
• Taganrog Research Institute of Communications OJSC, Rostov Region
• OJSC “Research Institute of Automatic Devices”, Novosibirsk Region
• Bryansk Special Design Bureau OJSC, Bryansk Region
• JSC “Hearing Aid Plant“ Rhythm ”, Moscow
• OJSC Mikrotehnika, St. Petersburg
• Priboy OJSC, Krasnodar Territory
• Samara Plant Ekran OJSC, Samara Region
• OJSC “Television Plant" Sadko ", Novgorod Region
• JSC “NPO Radioelectronics” named after IN AND. Shimko ", Rep. Tatarstan
• OJSC Kazan Electrotechnical Plant, Rep. Tatarstan
• JSC "Automatics", Primorsky Territory
• OJSC Kazan Scientific-Research Technological Institute of Computing Engineering, Rep. Tatarstan
• OJSC Kazan Instrument-Making Design Bureau, Rep. Tatarstan
• JSC “Research Institute for the Development of Connectors and Special Electronics Products", Rep. Tatarstan
• OJSC "Penza Production Association of Electronic Computing Engineering", Penza Region
• NII Electroagregat OJSC, Kursk region
• JSC "Scientific and Production Center" Sapsan ", Moscow
• JSC Scientific and Technical Complex Lenelectronmash, St. Petersburg
• Omsk Institute of Systems Engineering, Omsk Region
• OJSC “Special Design Bureau of Clockwork”, Moscow
• OAO Tomsk Production Association Kontur, Tomsk Region
• OJSC Karachevsky Plant Elektrodetal, Bryansk Region
• OJSC Elekon Plant, Rep. Tatarstan
• OJSC "Factory" Kopir ", Rep. Mari El
• OJSC Atlant Plant, Stavropol Territory
• OJSC "Plant" Snezhet ", Bryansk region.
• OJSC Ural Electrical Connections Plant Iset, Sverdlovsk Region
• OJSC “Special Design Bureau of Cable Industry”, Moscow Region
• OJSC "Electric Connector", Rep. Tatarstan
• OJSC “Nizhny Novgorod NGO named after M.V. Frunze ”, Novgorod region
• Kursk Plant Mayak OJSC, Kursk Region
• JSC "Federal Scientific and Production Center" Nizhny Novgorod Scientific Research Instrument-Making Institute "Quartz" named after A.P. Gorshkova ”, Novgorod region
• OJSC “Special Design Bureau of Radio Measuring Equipment", Novgorod Region
• State Enterprise “Ulyanovsk Center for Microelectronics and Automation”, Ulyanovsk Region

[ancient]

Quote: ancient

Here .. "KRET":

Continuation .. and then too much "KRET" .. "swallowed"

• OJSC "Central Scientific Research Technological Institute" Technomash ", Moscow
• Avangard OJSC, St. Petersburg
• OJSC "Company" Impulse ", Krasnodar Territory
• JSC "Design Bureau" Russia ", St. Petersburg
• OJSC “Research Institute of Electrical Measuring Instruments”, St. Petersburg
• JSC "Research and Development Enterprise" Planet ", St. Petersburg
• JSC "Scientific-Production Company" Rhythm ", Krasnodar Territory
• Radiy OJSC, Chelyabinsk Region
• OJSC "Specialized Design Bureau" Spurt ", Moscow
• Technological Equipment OJSC, St. Petersburg
• Tomsk Plant of Measuring Instruments OJSC, Tomsk Region
• OJSC Moscow Plant of Measuring Instruments, Moscow
• OJSC JSC "ISI" Rise ", Astrakhan Region

• JSC Concern Aviapriborostroenie OJSC, Moscow
• Avionika Concern OJSC, Moscow Region - a subholding, which includes:
• Ramensky Instrument-Making Plant OJSC, Moscow Region
• Kursk OAO Pribor, Kursk Region
• JSC Techpribor, St. Petersburg
• JSC Aeropribor - Voskhod, Moscow
• JSC "Scientific and Production Complex" ELARA "named after G.A. Ilyenko ”, Chuvash Republic.
• JSC Moscow Scientific and Production Complex Avionika, Moscow
• Aviapribor Holding Company OJSC, Moscow - a subholding, which includes:
• OJSC Ural Instrument-Making Plant, Sverdlovsk Region
• OJSC "Moscow Institute of Electromechanics and Automatics", Moscow
• OJSC Design Bureau of Industrial Automation, Saratov Region
• Ulyanovsk Instrument Design Bureau OJSC, Ulyanovsk Region
• OJSC “Saratov Electrical Appliance Plant named after Sergo Ordzhonikidze”, Saratov Region
• JSC "Corporation" Aerospace Equipment ", St. Petersburg - a subholding, which includes:
• Moscow Temp Radio Plant OJSC, Moscow
• OJSC "Meter", Smolensk region.
• OJSC “Radiopribor”, Rep. Tatarstan
• OJSC Almetyevsk Plant Radiopribor, Rep. Tatarstan
• OAO Tambov Plant Elektropribor, Tambov Region
• OJSC “Rostov Watch Factory”, Rostov Region.
• OJSC Ulan-Ude Instrument-Making Production Association, Kemerovo Region
• OJSC "Moscow Plant" Pneumoinstrument ", Moscow
• OJSC NPP ElTom, Moscow Region
• OJSC “Research Institute of Instrument Engineering named after V.V. Tikhomirova ”, Moscow region
• OJSC “State Ryazan Instrument Plant”, Ryazan Region
• FSUE "St. Petersburg Experimental Design Bureau" Electroautomatics "named after P.A. Efimova ", St. Petersburg
• JSC "TECHNO", Moscow
• JSC “Research Institute of Aviation Equipment”, Moscow Region
• FSUE KB Automatic Systems, Samara Region
• JSC Aviation Technologies and Communication Systems, Moscow
• OJSC "Zhigulevsky Radio Plant", Samara Region.
• OJSC "Engelsk OKB" Signal "named. A.I. Glukhareva ", Saratov region
• OJSC Concern "Kizlyar Electromechanical Plant", Rep. Dagestan
• OJSC Utes, Ulyanovsk Region
• OJSC “Engineering support of tests“ Rise ”, Astrakhan region.
• JSC “Ufa Instrument-Making Production Association”, Rep. Bashkortosta

[evge-malyshev]

Quote: ancient

I already wrote above .... all these systems have nothing to do with the "kids from KRET".

Let me remind you: MIEA is part of KRET. And the so-called. the new development, in fact, is an improved AIC. Most likely the complex is based on a new (digital) elemental and computing base.

[NEXUS]

Quote: ancient

I already wrote above .... all these systems have nothing to do with the "kids from KRET".

I read it, thanks ..

Quote: ancient

For aviation, this is ... "Stone Age" even at the "dawn of Soviet power" astrocompasses of the DAK-DB type were used

Then why did they develop this system for TUSHKA then? Is it stupid to "remember the old days"?

[ancient]

Quote: NEXUS

Then why did they develop this system for TUSHKA then? Is it stupid to "remember the old days"?

It is always necessary to have a backup system, both navigation and a system for correcting the "main military aircraft systems".
Of course SINS is very good, but .. and it sometimes fails, and the "dead reckoning" from the backup systems is not very good.
Plus, a lot is "tied" to radio-technical navigation systems (both near and far), but there are areas where they stupidly do not reach, and in the "threatened period" they can generally .. "fail", then we will be left with, for example, in areas with very "high latitude" ?.
That is why airplanes that fly high and far, and even more so have a lot of space for placement and are equipped with astronavigation systems. Which the same "went" in advance in terms of "development" from .. +!

[NEXUS]

Quote: ancient

Always have a backup system

Well, to create something newer and better apparently still not fate?

[Tatar 174]

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[Homo]

Something I did not understand the beginning of the transfer.

[Tatar 174]

Quote: Homo

Something I did not understand the beginning of the transfer.

I am not a radio operator, as a child I was once fond of, but now there are many online translators. There is the phrase "And still do not forget the Morse code."

[V.ic]

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[Tatar 174]

Quote: V.ic

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Now we will be banned ...

[An60]

Rather, drowned.

[Corsair0304]

Good news. Of course, one of the sides of our nuclear triad must be kept in good shape. It would be better to establish the production of TU-160, in general there would be beauty, otherwise, unfortunately, the available devices do not become younger, the resource is being developed ..

[Kolka82]

I do not know why, but immediately there was an association with the saying "a blunt pencil is better than a sharp memory." And by the nature of my profession I know that a plumb line (vertical), a water level (horizon), a stretched lace (straight line) and an "Egyptian triangle" (aspect ratio 3: 4: 5 for building a right angle) will never let anyone down!

[KERTAK]

I know about the production of inertial navigation systems, and astronautical systems. Their accuracy is impressive. even without a satellite navigation system, these devices will allow bombers to know their location on the globe roughly, but over time the error grows. I am sure that the planes will definitely find their targets if they suddenly lose touch with satellite navigation.

[ancient]

Quote: KERTAK

I am sure that the planes will definitely find their targets if they suddenly lose touch with satellite navigation.

If you try to correct the NK or BTsVS with the help of AK ... consider that you put a HUGE cross on the performance of your B.Z.
Even SINS-SP "drive" a cockroach into such .. "darkness" that it won't get out of there in life and in the end she .. "will fail"
It's like trying to do on IS .. "course correction"

It impresses you with the accuracy of ANS ?????? 15 years ago, about satellite navigation in the Air Force and ... did not dream ... which means ... "their accuracy is impressive" since they allow "to determine their location on the globe ..about?

It's like ... "he went to Odessa, but went to Kherson"?

After reading your .. "outstanding" comment all the same I want to ask .. and you for sure. they wrote it to themselves. "I know about the production of inertial navigation systems, and astronavigation systems"

And then, as one movie hero said - ".. I am tormented by vague doubts"

[Hannibal Lecter]

Quote: professor

Quote: aleks 62

..... Stars are not necessary .... It is possible to reckon both on the sun and on the moon .... At the altitudes of Tu always there are either stars (at night) or the sun (during the day) ...

At least 3 (three) landmarks are required to determine a location in space. As far as I remember, the sun on our planet has only one thing.

There are simply 2 arithmetic landmarks and 1 physically - azimuth, date and sun. In my opinion, the same thing should happen, as with 3 satellites simultaneously fixing the GPS coordinates of the sensor