What scenarios the West can implement in relation to Russia?

What scenarios the West can implement in relation to Russia?

It is obvious that the West can not allow the revival of Russia, as one of the global players. Therefore, sooner or later, the Russian Federation will be hit in order to dismember the Russian state and divide it into spheres of influence. And thus save the Western world at the expense of the “blood” of Russia. Especially such an attack could be carried out by the Anglo-Saxon part of the Western project (the United States and the United Kingdom).


The scenario of open war at the present time seems to be considered early. The Russian army still has enough means to inflict unacceptable damage to any adversary. Open war implies serious costs, we need huge human and material resources. Absolute confidence is needed that Moscow will not use nuclear weapon. It is necessary to take into account the fact that the Western armies, except for the American, have lost the ability to wage a large-scale war, they can conduct punitive raids, piracy attacks, nothing more. To create an army capable of waging a serious war, the West needs a different regime, not a liberal-democratic, or social-democratic, years of military reform, the militarization of the consciousness of European inhabitants.

The West will play the old successful game - “divide and rule”, pitting various peoples, religions, social groups among themselves. In this regard, the example of the Russian Empire, like the current Russian Federation, is indicative.

The main prerequisites that will be developed (already developed) by Western special services, hidden network structures of a “Masonic” character, the “fifth column”:

- The “power” and “people” conflict, for the 20 anniversary, power is perceived by the majority of the people as enemies who are engaged only in the accumulation of capital. The slogan: “Enough to feed the officials, Moscow,” is becoming more and more popular.

- The rift of society on the "successful" and "losers", the gap between the richest and the poor is estimated about 20 times. The prerequisites for class war have ripened, when cottage villages on the outskirts of large cities can burn and will only be killed because of the presence of an expensive car.

- Caucasian problem. It can lead both to large-scale pogroms on ethnic grounds and to the new Caucasian war, before which the Chechen wars of 1994-1996 and 1999-2000 will turn pale.

- Migrants. They already represent a significant force, especially in Moscow, which can be used to destabilize the situation in the country. Or set them on the indigenous population. Arrange riots on national and religious grounds.

- Russian question. The Russian people, thanks to a number of system errors in the years of the USSR, and politics in the period of the Russian Federation, in many respects turned into a Russian-speaking mass. This caused an outcry in the youth environment, the growth of nationalist sentiment. Striving for justice can become a fuse for the collapse of Russia. West can run the script "Russian revolt".

- Throwing the Russian intelligentsia. The intelligentsia in the Russian empire, the Soviet Union was a powerful revolutionary detachment displeased with the state of affairs and made a great contribution to the collapse of these empires. The Russian intelligentsia is no better (probably its quality has even fallen), so the moans about “this country” and that “you cannot live like this” will be heard more often.

- The Russian army and the Interior Ministry are discouraged by the reforms, so their potential for resistance, in the absence of a strong-willed leader, will be low. Part of the generals even try to catch fish in muddy water.

- The liberal public, the comprador bourgeoisie are unhappy with the “new coming” of Putin. This is reflected in the increased activity of their activities. For example, on October 13, the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs (RSPP) announced a political crisis in Russia and put forward demands for political reforms in the country.

Key Scenarios

Caucasian war. Given the fact that “counter-terrorist operations” are regularly conducted in the North Caucasus and they don’t see the region, it’s clear that the Islamic underground is only strengthening its position. Money and the development of a consumer society cannot solve the problem of the North Caucasus. If the North Caucasus Federal District can blow up, it will be a very hard war, covering not only Chechnya, but also other regions. It can lead to a complete destabilization of the situation in Russia. The West may begin to demand the withdrawal of troops from South Ossetia, Abkhazia, and bring in its "peacekeeping forces."

With each concession of Moscow, the pressure will only increase, up to the demand for the introduction of the UN "peacekeeping forces" in the North Caucasus. It will be for Russia a huge "Kosovo". Then Russia will be shred, piece by piece.

"February-2". The collapse of the country will be started from the center. In Moscow, Putin’s opponents (liberals, national democrats, part of the nationalists, and possibly part of the Communist Party of the Just Russia, with the support of oligarchs, West-oriented bureaucrats) will bring thousands of people with the slogan - "Occupy the Kremlin!". The slogans and theses of this protest movement are already walking around Russia: “Down with the party of crooks and thieves!”, “Stop feeding Moscow!”, “Stop feeding the Caucasus!”, “Down with Putin!” And so on. Considering the experience of Egypt and Tunisia, we can say that only a very strong-willed person will be able to resist such a movement supported by the mass of domestic and Western media (which can put some compromising material on the leaders of the Russian Federation, ministers, in the style of the Wikliks information bomb). Is Putin and Medvedev capable of this?

The “global community” will immediately require a “dialogue with the people.” Unknown snipers and people in civilian organize several battles - with the transparency of the borders of Russia and the presence of businessmen of their “squads”, there is no doubt that this will happen. The first blood will be shed. The opposition leaders will create a Russian Transitional National Council.

And then everything depends on the will of the political leadership - whether they can withstand such pressure. Will the Interior Ministry and the army restrain the protest movement until the use of force, following the example of Syria. Putin will face a dilemma - to clear the "fifth column" in Russia (and those who, by foolishness and youth, take part in the destruction of their state) or concede, perhaps, on "honorable conditions".

With the victory of the opposition, we are waiting for the "Temporary Government-2" and - read more textbooks stories. If Putin goes to a complete break with the West, he will become "Stalin-2" and he will come to repeat his path - "the great purge", industrialization, the creation of a powerful army, etc.

"Libyan script." Russia will be set on fire, like a pioneer bonfire, from several directions, some of which may be a “covering operation”, say for the “February-2” scenario.

For example, in the Far East there will be a "partisan detachment", which will announce a manifesto on the liberation of the Russian people from the yoke of Moscow. He will make several successful attacks on local government officials. The Trans-Siberian Railway will be blown up in several places by the “group of unknowns”. While Moscow will try to restore order, such groups will arise in Siberia, in the Urals and the Volga region. The Internet will be flooded with videos calling for the military, the Interior Ministry, the people to support the "Russian resistance." People will be disoriented, some will decide that this is true. At the same time, "government troops" (we recall the example of Syria) will carry out several punitive actions - civilians will die.

An uprising will break out in Dagestan, Ingushetia, Kabardino-Balkaria. In Moscow, will begin a mass protest. The “world community” will demand to start a “dialogue with the masses”, to conduct “political reforms”, not to solve the problem with “violence”.
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  1. raf
    raf 19 October 2011 07: 59 New
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    Labuda some, not one of these scenarios in Russia will not work!
    1. Veter 19 October 2011 08: 18 New
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      Exactly!

      The West may launch the scenario of "Russian rebellion"

      Oh, they wouldn’t joke, otherwise it will come around. It was already in history.
      1. Ion coaelung
        Ion coaelung 19 October 2011 10: 12 New
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        The whole point is whether citizens loving their homeland stand up to those who seek to westernize the country ?! There are many movements against the authorities, even those who allegedly criticize the West itself, but use the same principles and information technologies as on the hill. And these movements are not against a specific person, but in fact create aggression against everyone. In other words, they share ...
      2. Uhalus 19 October 2011 17: 32 New
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        Me now "minus", to be silent to me ... :(
        Just one of the options can pass. Only not now, but in 10 - 20 years, now our country still has some strength, some potential, it needs to be further developed then ... It is not known which option, mixed forms may also appear, and what something completely new. But what will fall apart - that's for sure! Then a brief division of the parts (maybe part of the winners will be attached, but we won’t be able to do it yet), and ... they will milk, milk, and milk, because the bowels will not go anywhere, and people can profit. What Russian peoples will turn into is better not to think. It is in the plural, because not one Russian will get it, everyone will become slaves.
        What or who will save? I do not know. Forgive me my pessimism - I see no way out. Is it possible that if Pu turns into a Hundred (is it vrya-a-hell, it is unlikely! - is he destroying himself? - or I didn’t understand something?), And there’s not much good in it - some difficulties, and it’s unknown, we will survive whether as a state ...
        1. Tjumenec72
          Tjumenec72 20 October 2011 15: 38 New
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          - What or who will save? - EVERYTHING IS IN OUR HANDS!!!
          white jaguar will come out of the people)))
      3. Alex63
        Alex63 20 October 2011 15: 44 New
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        the mare. The West does not even need to strain. The Kremlin itself surrenders Russia to the West with giblets.
    2. His
      His 19 October 2011 19: 45 New
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      Now everything is exactly in Russia
    3. oper66
      oper66 20 October 2011 07: 36 New
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      So detachment 5 article reconnaissance columns and diagnose the mood of society to analyze and establish the direction of movement of the column a set of some culinary recipes from Smak. Crossing various types of provocative articles on the site has become more frequent since its inception, the site is of interest to users, given its specifics, the military theme always attracts the interest of the male half, and a light material invisibly pops up a material causing an emotional outburst of comments on the basis of which psychologists can diagnose the mood of society
      1. Alexei 21 October 2011 11: 46 New
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        Yes, let them make diagnoses for health, I do not mind.
    4. Alex63
      Alex63 20 October 2011 15: 43 New
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      the mare. The West doesn’t even have to strain. The Kremlin itself surrenders Russia to the West with giblets.
  2. forsilon
    forsilon 19 October 2011 08: 13 New
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    It would be nice to kick your ass for such an article so as not to scare people and give recipes. It is interesting that in this, and in many other articles, V.V. Putin is certainly presented by the president. It is not necessary, although it will be so. The people will vote - United Russia count.
  3. Dmitriy83
    Dmitriy83 19 October 2011 08: 19 New
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    Yes, this is very good, if not one fails. I would say even very wonderful. Only all the problems identified by the author REALLY EXIST and which of them can grow into a “scenario” can only wait. And with the current attitude of our government towards our country, these problems are expanding simultaneously quite quickly. Wait and see.
    1. timhelmet 19 October 2011 11: 26 New
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      In principle, you interpret wisely, Dmitry83. The ratio of those who are dissatisfied with those who are satisfied with power where I live is about 90 versus 10. Of these (90) they will climb half a percent on the barricades (God forbid, of course). I believe now people have become more democratized and more inert than say half a century ago. Everyman so to speak. However, there is also little tolerance for migrants from the Caucasian republics, China (and much more from where).
  4. Colonel 19 October 2011 09: 02 New
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    Questions to the author:
    - so GDP is the only panacea ???
    - Ministers who “discourage the army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs with reforms” are not his subordinates ???
    Yes, all these problems exist and such scenarios are quite real development scenarios, but why did the author dawdle just now, before the election? Is the situation ripe? Who has been in power for the past ten years?
  5. dimitriy 19 October 2011 09: 03 New
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    Glory to the great Putin!
    But seriously, then each of these scenarios, if you think about it, is quite likely. But the "great and co" do not do anything to avoid this. Let's just say that I am more and more inclined to think that the “great and ko” consciously leads to such scenarios.
  6. Alexei 19 October 2011 09: 16 New
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    It seems to me that there should be no large popular uprisings in Russia, at least in the near future. If only the difference between rich and poor will become even greater, there is nothing to eat in translation from Russian into Russian. And so the bulk of them are busy with work and affairs, and most of them spit who feeds whom and what money is in Moscow. As usual, a crowd of stupid young people with paid leaders will disperse it, riot police and business then.
    I don’t know about the Caucasus. Maybe gangs are formed there. It all depends on the local population, if it does not support them, then these gangs will initially be like driven rats. I doubt that they like the war there.
  7. Banshee 19 October 2011 09: 19 New
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    Problems really exist, it is. But I will try to sort out the essence of these problems.

    Serious seems the scenario of the Caucasian war. While everything is being poured with money, everything is quiet, but if you turn off the tap, then the benevolent Chechens can and ... stop being peaceful. But there are two options:

    1) to incite the Chechens themselves to those who will begin to "set fire to the fire", arguing that the crane will be closed. And the Chechens, who only know how to fight (and this they definitely can) themselves quietly and peacefully restore order in the region.
    2) The army is no longer that 10 years ago. And people are not stupid (and the leadership of Chechnya can be held for anyone, just not for fools), they understand that the option "roll out into thin pancake" really exists. Therefore, they stopped waving Kalash and began to take money. It is more convenient to live in a new skyscraper with air conditioning than in a dugout. You get used to good quickly. There is some sense in it.

    "February-2".
    "In Moscow, Putin’s opponents (liberals, national democrats, part of nationalists, possibly part of the Communist Party of the Just Russia, supported by oligarchs, West-oriented officials) will bring thousands of people with the slogan -" We are occupying the Kremlin! "."

    Here I would remove the Communist Party from here. Still, the party, anyway. It is unlikely that Zyuganov will allow the split of his brainchild. And the rest - no more than mongrel. Spravrossiya - a gang of crooks-pi% of free-living, living from election to election, nothing more. And they simply are not capable of any active actions, because they simply do not know how. The rest are so small that it will not spill over to Maidan. Even if they pour dollars into them.
    No doubt, to recruit idiots for bucks in this country is possible. the whole question is how much.

    With regards to the second and third parts. It seems to me that Putin provided for it. In light of the recent reorganization of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and amendments to laws and codes. And I think that all these attempts will end no less pitiable than the events of 1991 - 93. That is, overclocked.
    Compromising ... And it was not enough for these years?

    Among other things, we should not forget that far from all the people are charged and zazombirovan. That is, that is. And for every action there can definitely be a reaction. And for one screaming "Ida at the Kremlin" there may be two who say "Sit down, you fool." And back up this primordially Russian type of mount argument.

    So really, wait and see. But when we live - you can not stand aside. Indifferent observation of what is happening can be costly.
    1. Sergh
      Sergh 19 October 2011 11: 22 New
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      I’m sure. Now all over the world, in every country, political scientists sit and write the same thing, one to one. Any country has its own “Chechnya”, “its own Kremlin”, etc., even in the states, in England, etc. .. Moreover, there is nothing new in this article. For a long time, for such situations, instructions were written for the special services, exercises are under way, monitoring the mood among the masses. And of course, if anything, it will be strangely black, they will be twisted in one day. So, people, do not go to this street scum, sit at home, do not listen to agitators, cook better grub for children. Sooner or later they will get theirs!
      1. kirk82 20 October 2011 14: 08 New
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        krasivchik !!!
    2. kirk82 20 October 2011 12: 34 New
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      And back it up with an original Russian argument such as a mount. )))) bully
  8. Evil Tatar
    Evil Tatar 19 October 2011 09: 30 New
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    What does it mean to wait? Eat up? To live?
    Who is left? You? To me? To children?
    What do you mean about the attitude of power?
    Top officials say: People, Russian citizens, Russia, etc.
    That is, they cherish ...
    But the second and third echelons of power, etc., especially those who come from a liberal environment, sabotage, squeal, but sabotage ...
    In the eyes of dollars and other tinsel ...
    And their helpers and minions and other citizens fooled by democracy, plus those who will pay dollars, will go to rallies.
    I’m thinking of typing codla, and let's go for a "bright" future. Many are there on the sidewalk and will fall ... Most, those who are lucky enough to stay alive, will start yelling about the rulers of murderers and non-humans in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Army ...
    So what to do? Let's give power to Yavlinsky and others like him right away?
    Only then everything that is written in the article will happen for sure and faster.
    So go work, feed families, raise children as patriots, not amoebas fleeing the army ...
    And all kinds of provocateurs on the pillars, to begin with the pillars of shame ...
    But Putin and Medvedev should be given the opportunity to continue to rule Russia.
    I think that Putin has completely freed himself from the influence of the "family" and now no one will bother him ...
    Peace be with you Russians!
  9. lokdok
    lokdok 19 October 2011 09: 49 New
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    All scenarios are more than likely. But I doubt that the current government will allow this, because she is the most sane for the last xx years IMHO. I do not understand the other - why are we only defending ourselves, well, understandably less money, but at least a little bit of all kinds of Irish people, but the Negroes should be led to freedom ???
    1. baluru72
      baluru72 19 October 2011 10: 07 New
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      Right ,,, to fight in a foreign territory ,,, Take under the wing of Sudan,
  10. Owl
    Owl 19 October 2011 09: 55 New
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    In 1991, I knew for sure that I would obey the order, my soldiers would obey, in 1993 I obeyed the orders, now when I receive the order I will have to think about how to obey the order and not become a criminal (including a criminal by conscience), saving the lives of my colleagues and myself.
    1. Banshee 19 October 2011 10: 07 New
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      Mind and heart prompt.
  11. baluru72
    baluru72 19 October 2011 10: 05 New
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    That’s all nonsense, no matter what the scenarios are, it’s still not according to them ,,, and the exhaust will be everything ,,,
  12. mitrich
    mitrich 19 October 2011 10: 07 New
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    For the coming decades, Russia will have an overwhelming task - if not to unite the former republics of the USSR under its wing, then, in any case, restore its former influence in the entire post-Soviet space. Plus a strategic alliance with Germany, France, Italy. These are our priorities in foreign policy, as it seems to me.
    And for the Anglo-Saxons in their constant desire to fight with someone, a worthy adversary in the person of China has grown. So let them fight each other on all fronts as much as they like. By the way, Putin thinks the same way, as I understood from his interview yesterday.
    Apocalyptic scenarios of the author of the article in Russia will not work. Still, the majority of the population are sane people, and the liberals will certainly not take to the streets, no matter how much they would like to.
    1. sedoj 19 October 2011 22: 01 New
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      Mitrich, remember the 91st. Then, too, everything seemed to be sane.
  13. baluru72
    baluru72 19 October 2011 10: 34 New
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    I agree, just not over the task, and Russia has always sought to live normally with its neighbors ,,, Therefore, we became an empire at the time ,,, And almost all the territories themselves requested to be part of Russia.
  14. Dock 19 October 2011 10: 53 New
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    A strange article. It’s a ready-made action plan. It smells of provocation.
  15. nickname bj
    nickname bj 19 October 2011 10: 56 New
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    Why should Moscow protest? The same question can be attributed to Grozny .. The “Putin call” goes through the entire red line: Choose me, it will be as bad as it has never been ...
  16. SIA
    SIA 19 October 2011 10: 57 New
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    Let's see what it turns out in 5-7 years.
  17. 916-th
    916-th 19 October 2011 11: 04 New
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    Now the West is waiting for the results of the presidential election. When Putin wins (I write <when>, because there is no real alternative to him in Russian politics; few people know about the military-patriotic initiative to nominate a popular presidential candidate), so when Putin wins, there are two possible Western reactions:

    1) If Putin continues his slurred domestic policy, which he started earlier, then the West will arrange it, they will continue to drain natural resources, strengthen the positions of their companies on Russian territory, amid the impoverishment of the people and the collapse of the country. They will not force direct intervention, they will wait until the patient passes from the state “rather alive than dead” to the state “rather dead than alive”.

    2) If Putin finally realizes that the country has been brought to a dangerous point, and will be forced to turn his face to the people, and his ass to the oligarchs and corrupt officials, then the West will not be happy. Then, various scenarios of forcing direct intervention are possible.

    According to the second option, in order to successfully resist external provocations, Putin needs to have carte blanche of trust from the people. Now he has a clear deficit with this, and earning it in the remaining time is very problematic. It is necessary to accomplish one of the exploits of Hercules, for example, to clean the Augean stables of domestic power in time pressure.
  18. Ivan Krasov
    Ivan Krasov 19 October 2011 11: 05 New
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    The scenarios may be different, but the author is right that this will happen sooner or later. Therefore, one must be prepared. To do this, first of all, it is necessary to restore order in our heads and understand that only by common labor aimed at creation can a country be united. It is necessary to set a specific task to decisively and ruthlessly defeat theft, or at least not to let him feel like a master. I must say who is our friend and who is the enemy and, based on this, restore their defenses. In our crafty time, it seems that all friends or partners, however, as it should be, everyone is looking for their interest. It is necessary to stop cultivating the soil to deepen the social inequality of people, while realizing that there should not be egalitarianism. It is necessary to raise the role and importance of moral principles in society, to determine what is good and what is bad, to create an atmosphere of rejection of vice and to exclude the possibility of its demonstration to people, including in the media. Then the hypothetical opponent will still think about whether it is necessary to fight with us.
  19. Skills 19 October 2011 11: 08 New
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    The technology of the collapse of Russia in action and such sites can already be found more than one:

    Forward - to change
    http://epic-hero.ru/2011/10/16/2012/
  20. kesa1111
    kesa1111 19 October 2011 11: 13 New
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    Someone else’s scenario will certainly not work, and non-good government will be replaced.
  21. Mahamont
    Mahamont 19 October 2011 11: 20 New
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    Lumpen is now not the same as at the beginning of the century. Weak, sick, drunk, almost all drug addicts. It is unlikely that they will be able to rock the situation inside the country. The working people are tired of change, everyone lives slowly, they try to live better, and many succeed. It’s unlikely that a war can be fought in the Caucasus either; people there also want peace. We fought with bandits, and not with the people, and drove them into caves. In Kabardino-Balkaria, for example, civilians themselves are harshly suppressing reactionary movements, there are groups of people who are doing this, expelling from their land all those who are at least somehow connected with the bandits. It is possible that in other regions there are similar groups. And we will slowly pump muscles and re-create the Eurasian Union.
    1. Irbenwolf 19 October 2011 15: 15 New
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      At the beginning of the century, the average lumpen worked at the plant for 12-14 hours a day. Also, it seems, there was no free time, but you go ...
      1. Mahamont
        Mahamont 19 October 2011 17: 32 New
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        The lumpen proletariat (from the German Lumpen - “tattered”) is a term coined by Karl Marx to denote the lower strata of the proletariat. Later, all declassified strata of the population (tramps, paupers, criminal elements and others) began to be called “lumpen”. In most cases, a lumpen is a person who has no property and lives in precarious work.
        Lumpen - declassed elements, people without social roots, a moral code, ready to recklessly obey the strong, that is, who has real power at the moment.
        Lumpenization of society means an increase in the share of these layers in the population and the spread of the psychology of lumpen in a social crisis. (from wiki)
        1. Irbenwolf 20 October 2011 15: 45 New
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          Do you really think that it is precisely these people (corresponding to the classic definition that you have indicated) that will lead the revolution and lead people to rallies? More than sure not.
  22. Boos24
    Boos24 19 October 2011 11: 49 New
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    We won’t defeat Russia, we won’t defeat it, at the right moment the people will swell and repulse any enemy, but of course we must strengthen ourselves and arm ourselves
    1. zczczc
      zczczc 19 October 2011 12: 56 New
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      Boos24, only a small question remains - do all members of society consider the enemy the same enemy? Are oligarchs, Chinese and our indigenous people united in understanding the enemy? And who has the keys to weapons? And from bread? And from TV?
  23. forma2 19 October 2011 12: 50 New
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    There are, of course, scenarios, and that they are fully implemented. Everyone knows that. But there is another. Society today is more conscious and open in comparison with the 90s, when the masses of people came out under the informational and vicious influence of the authorities about the bright, beautiful, secured world communism !!! After such propaganda, people took to the streets and hungry chicks pissed (fought) to stop cheating, give them the opportunity to cook their own meals, as in the pictures of Western television channels.
    The concepts that radical liberals are now propagating for the most part are replacing the old Soviet ones with democracy, freedom and rights !!! But we are already impressed by the beautiful McDonalds and supermarkets that operate on the principle of "Waste-Free Sale".
    You won’t be fed up with an ideal - you won’t buy anything at all !!!
    So dear V.V. Putin boldly govern and rule since in different cases and from different perspectives it sounds in every way and it pleases you
    and patriots and opponents.
    While you are, we are our opponents and patriots
  24. DEfindER 19 October 2011 12: 53 New
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    Yes, the Russian people can’t win, but as one song “I don’t want victory at all costs” sang. And now the wars are not the same .. and if we can and are ready for an ordinary war, then we can absolutely not be ready for political and social wars , whose tactics are very well mastered by the West .. and breaks it in small countries, before a decisive blow ..
    1. AleksUkr 20 October 2011 22: 09 New
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      Unfortunately, we are not fully prepared for any war.
      1. Cross
        Cross 20 October 2011 22: 35 New
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        there is such an expression "until a roasted cock asshole pecks, a man does not cross himself."

        in principle, as always, we are preparing, preparing, preparing, and each time we are not ready, moreover, precisely by the above principle ...
  25. zczczc
    zczczc 19 October 2011 13: 08 New
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    I consider the article to be literate. The most likely scenario is February-2.
    To prevent it, you need:
    1. Remove the fifth column from the media;
    2. Nationalize all systemically important enterprises;
    3. Nationalize the entire banking system - no "private banks";
    4. To identify and localize the fifth column in several closed cities, whoever wants to leave safely, passing a scan of the pupil, fingers and blood for possible identification in the future. And do not be afraid of it, this is normal;
    5. Adopt a package of laws - the death penalty with a 3-year delay, the concept of "enemy of the people", the ban of fagots, the ban of drug addicts, etc. All the dirt is out of life. Stole 5 million rubles. - execution, opened a pidarsky den - execution, sold a drug - execution.

    And all - no February-2 will be impossible. The people will not want, there will be no incentive to change power. It remains only to engage in economics and defense.
    Essentially, this is possible only with the Communist Party (from existing parties).
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 19 October 2011 15: 35 New
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      1- i.e. leave electricians and cleaners
      2; 3 - print trill. bucks or war to everyone
      4 - they are already closed in Moscow, except that the fence on the Moscow Ring Road is brewed in a circle
      5 - all the confiscated nonsense - to the State Duma buffet, then they will accept
      1. zczczc
        zczczc 19 October 2011 20: 03 New
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        Volkhov, in theory, all this could be done gradually - there will be no shocks. But there is no time.

        As for the electricians, I think there are people on 2 channels. And for the first time, more is not necessary.
        About item 4 - not a fact, in my opinion they are distributed depending on the need :)
        1. Volkhov
          Volkhov 20 October 2011 01: 41 New
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          The main problem with the last line is about the Communist Party. There is personal sad experience in supporting the Communist Party and Co. in 93. All that could be done wrong, betray and substitute, they have completed.
          The Stalinist principle - “In the matter of seizing power, games are unacceptable - either we go to the end, or we don’t start”, and the leadership of the Armed Forces was fooling around, and the absence of mass repressions of patriots was due only to Yeltsin’s position.
          A few months after the events, it became clear that the patriot was Yeltsin, and Rutskoi, Zyuganov, Makashov and others were new Gapons, who created the conditions for the failure and compromise of the idea. The result was a deep internal respect for Yeltsin, and on the wall - his portrait.
          It should be borne in mind that Yeltsin acted mainly himself, surrounded by enemies or unprincipled careerists, and his game is the level of the Wizard.
          The proposal to go for the Communist Party is similar to an invitation to take a walk on a rake after they have already advanced once.
          1. zczczc
            zczczc 20 October 2011 02: 30 New
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            VolkhovYeltsin was not able to outwit himself. It's like turning back the clock and replaying yourself again. And mass repression was impossible - this would have surfaced ...
            As for Zyuganov, it is clear that Surkov keeps him at the level of the rest of the model parties, but I will never believe that Zyuganov considers himself to be such. Those. Zyuganov does not play himself.
            1. Volkhov
              Volkhov 20 October 2011 03: 06 New
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              He did not outwit himself, but the West - they wanted a fool, he played them. The first secretaries do not play conductors and know that the toilet on the plane is not a landing gear.
              After tank firing in Moscow and the Avangard stadium, you no longer need any compromising evidence, nothing will come up, or do you think that the death of the patriots will be remembered by the West as Katyn?
              The parties are checked in action - the Communists gave up power in 91, prosralized a constitutional coup in 93, refused to win in 96, and Zyuganov’s inner world is his business.
              Nevertheless, our future is communism, because in the conditions of the catastrophe of 2013, only the regime of military communism is able to organize people, but the Communist Party has nothing to do with it. And as the economy recovers, other types of relations will become possible, and communism will remain with a narrow group of scientists and anti-aircraft gunners.
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                zczczc 20 October 2011 03: 39 New
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                Compromising evidence could have come from those who did not have time to clear out or did not know that he possessed it.
                The game of Yeltsin on an intuitive level is not believed :)
                I can’t even judge about the rest.
  26. runway 19 October 2011 14: 24 New
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    Any of the above delusional options can be implemented in our country. And the point here is not in the efforts of the West (these aspirations have always been), but in that power, which selects the vector of development of the country.
    The current leadership has already made the country completely dependent on the West. And this process will continue. According to (and deeds) Putin and Medvedev, they will not allow a change in the course of further enrichment of the oligarchs and the squeezing of the last juice from the people.
    For all the main indicators of the country's prosperity, we are already in the last rows of the poorest countries in Africa !!!
    And with a weak country, the West (now the East) will do as it suits them.
    I do not think that our country has time for the next term of board of crooks and thieves.
    1. sedoj 19 October 2011 22: 30 New
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      To Piston. In one you are right - any of the options can be implemented. In a snap, no one will climb. Speaking of GDP. Power was, is and will be primarily a feeding trough. Each aspires to it. Tell me at least one person who would not use power to please himself. If you change leaders now, then this money will not decrease, while others will grab even more. The people will still not get any easier. Already by coming to power of Gorbachev, they stopped raising patriots. For the most part, the people became inert. And I’m already used to what someone else thinks for you. Therefore, it is now so easy to excite everyone through the Internet.
      1. runway 20 October 2011 08: 56 New
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        sedoj.
        I do not dare to declare that for all, power is a feeding trough. History also knows the food commissars, who are losing consciousness from a hungry faint and the leaders who were buried in their everyday clothes, because there was no other .... Yes, and I have a higher opinion of our people. It is not his fault that he is constantly being deceived. But when he asks, then it will not seem a little ....
  27. Maksim
    Maksim 19 October 2011 14: 28 New
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    The Lord save and protect Russia (from amers, chinaez, priapodents from the euro union), etc.
    1. kirk82 20 October 2011 14: 13 New
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      still here from whom .... Invisible Khazaria - Gracheva T.V.
  28. Colonel 19 October 2011 14: 36 New
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    Maxim, one not the most stupid person (Napoleon his last name) said that God is on the side of large battalions. In this I completely agree with him.
    1. Magadan 20 October 2011 06: 51 New
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      Colonel (colonel) - Napoleon said so and finished on St. Helena. God is not in power, but in truth
      1. Colonel 20 October 2011 10: 59 New
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        Thanks, Magadan. But for some reason it seems that on St. Helena he was not the Holy Spirit, but because his Great Army in Russia was greatly reduced.
  29. Sevastopol 19 October 2011 14: 46 New
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    the worst thing is the decadent mood among the Russians. everything is bad, of course, they abandoned the inhabitants of my city, believing that the remnants of the fleet are enough for Russia, the townspeople do not need ... but ... this does not mean that you need to whine at every corner about how everything is bad in Putin !
    Yes, compared with Ukraine, Russia still lives well, actually.
    1. tullamore
      tullamore 19 October 2011 15: 00 New
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      I agree completely - the most important thing is that among Russians there are very few people who are positive and optimistic about their country ... although, even compared to some European countries in Russia, everything is not so bad ... I live in the West myself but I often go to Russia and do not understand the words of many people (Russia) who constantly criticize their country and government .... yes, there is not much, much needs to be done and done ... but the problem in my opinion is ... that many people are sitting they don’t want to change anything at the helm, they got used to being there ... to be from the Soviet times ... they don’t know how and what to change ... because they have neither the experience of the necessary skill nor the most important thing, visions of how and what change .... In my opinion, this is one of the main problems of Russia ..... The problem is different - it is largely incomprehensible laws that exist in Russia, which were half written during the Soviet Union and half already with a completely different system and it turns out this kind of porridge that experienced lawyers can’t figure it out ... which one to ordinary people .... and most importantly, these laws have long and firmly become obsolete and are pulling a lot into the past ... I hinder the future from developing .... It is clear that no one needs a strong state, especially Russia Europe is not in the USA ... and they will never treat us with love ... the propaganda machine against Russia is too strong .... although, I meet many ordinary citizens who are quite interested in Russia, it would be interesting to go see the country ours ... but not everyone can afford it, because of the many obstacles that stand in the way, I’m not talking about prices ..... and the fact that in Russia everything is good compared to Ukraine ... and compared with the Baltic States in Russia, too, everything is very good ... just usually only the external gloss of the cities is visible ... but what's inside .... NO .....
      1. Sevastopol 19 October 2011 15: 54 New
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        in the Ukrainian province, in fact, is also not a fountain, frankly)))
        but about crime - generally silent. there is money - you are not sitting. and it’s not money in fact.
        usually up to 10 thousand bucks - at least they will cover the murder. accident with death is even cheaper.

        or, a simple example: a deputy of the Supreme Council for the sake of fun shoots peasants in the forest. it is clear that he was tried, but the fact is amazing to moms ...

        the rotten system of this under-state is such that a bribe in Ukraine is taken for granted, they don’t even talk about it in the media, everyone is used to it, everyone’s in share, they don’t put anyone down, everything is quiet and peaceful. EVERYWHERE. who will plant an oligarch in Ukraine? Yes, do not tell, rather they will plant someone they want.

        ps Lady Yu is not to give an example, for the sake of raising the rating, she herself will not want to leave the VIP camera now))
      2. Magadan 20 October 2011 06: 56 New
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        That surprises me - the Russians hammered into their heads that we live poorly. Yes, there is much room for growth to strive for, but to say that poverty and collapse around is just some kind of alarmism. He who does not thump day after day finds himself a normal job. If in Russia you get 30000 rubles, it will be much more than 5000 dollars in the USA, since here we have no mandatory bills except communal apartments, and while there you are going to get everything out of taxes, insurance, gas, school, water, gas, electricity etc., it will remain much less than 1000 dollars. I constantly communicate with Americans and it is already becoming clear that even compared to 90, their level has slipped so that it is not known who lives better - we or they.
        1. Uncle Sam
          Uncle Sam 20 October 2011 20: 44 New
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          do you also communicate with the Russians, cheto not dofig those who get 30 pieces, and in the provinces 10 pieces are often the limit of dreams, and by the way, taxes are not required in the market? can not be minus? and you don’t have to carry the loot to school every month? why are you fucking? and go to the hospital without money, get medical treatment ... ha ha
          if I lived on a salary, I would have blown it over a hill for a long time; you can only vegetate on a regular salary in a rashka.
          1. Cross
            Cross 20 October 2011 22: 36 New
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            so 3,14 blow, who's stopping you?
          2. Magadan 20 October 2011 23: 33 New
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            Uncle Sam, I haven’t seen in Russia a man working for 10000 rubles. And if there are any, then the amers working for 5 dollars per hour, and no one guarantees them 8 hours per day, i.e. receiving somewhere 800 dollars a month I know until fig! And they live with a roommate and without any hope of improvement, because in the USA there are neither abandoned villages where, at worst, you can even grow a hawk for yourself, or “left” part-time jobs (unless you sell drugs).
            At the expense of taxes - you surprised me, they are paid exclusively by the employer, of course I heard something about 13%, but I never went anywhere to pay them. I forgot about the kindergarten in Russia, you are right, we pay 500 rubles per month for food to school. More about any mandatory payments in the Russian Federation, I have not heard. About doctors "on the paw" - I'm sorry, but I'm not telling you that in the USA without any "paws" a tooth is worth making 2000 dollars! Personally, the day before yesterday, I was interested in a dude from Montana.
            1. Uncle Sam
              Uncle Sam 21 October 2011 09: 07 New
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              in normal countries there are medical insurance that covers everything.
              As for the salary: I’ll make a reservation right away, not Moscow salaries, in the provinces a young doctor gets 8-12 thousand rubles, a paramedic on an ambulance - the same amount as a teacher, educator, and many hard workers. In rural areas and small towns - even worse. I am qualified a specialist and I live in a city of 400 thousand I have a salary of 17 - 18. but clearly I do not live on a salary, otherwise I would have fallen off of course.
              Now taxes. Do you also pay for real estate? Does your employer pay? And transport? Or do you go on a sucker?
              At school I pay 450 for security, 600 for food, and somewhere 300 - 500 for all kinds of crap, and this is every month. And in the kindergarten about the same. Plus 1500 for visiting. To this a couple of times a year, repairs new furniture, etc. and tp both in school and in the garden.
              What region are you from, if it’s not a secret. When I lived in St. Petersburg, it’s another matter, and I got there 40tyrs five years ago. And all of Russia really sucks its paw.
              1. Alexei 21 October 2011 09: 38 New
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                Come on, Uncle Sam. My friends in St. Petersburg get 60-70 people, but what’s remarkable, they don’t save money - they fly away. In the province, the income is comparable to St. Petersburg, because there are fewer places to spend money in the province. And the goods that are imported into the province is cheaper. It's a business, Uncle Sam. Prices are jumping based on the capabilities of the bulk of consumers.
                And "don’t suck a paw" is it like? In more detail, please, to me, you understand, give details.
                1. Uncle Sam
                  Uncle Sam 21 October 2011 09: 45 New
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                  C'mon! Here are the same supermarket chains, and the prices are the same, and what, are televisions here cheaper? or furniture? and my Mitsubishi is here as much as a penny as much as in Moscow, and the gas is the same here, and the grub (from the same hyper), and in the summer (I live on the coast) prices can finally rise for everything!
                  And "don’t suck a paw" is just to work in the West. And for us it’s to work + to do things, but not everyone can. And that’s why they get drunk and so on.
                  1. Alexei 21 October 2011 10: 11 New
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                    Well, try it, live a couple of months in the province for 15 t, and then for 15 t in St. Petersburg, and you can probably understand what I had in mind. The region is different for the region. I live on the border of the regions: Leningrad, Novgorod and Vologda, and I understand about what am I saying.
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                      Uncle Sam 21 October 2011 10: 24 New
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                      I lived in St. Petersburg 5 years ago for 40 tyrov, and so what? And now in the province I am 15 only for all sorts of payments, taxes, fees, etc. I spend, plus a loan of 10 tyrov plus I still have to live.
                      1. Alexei 21 October 2011 10: 29 New
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                        Now try on 15 and you will understand the “what”.
                      2. Alexei 21 October 2011 10: 31 New
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                        Who has banned you like that, Uncle Sam? And I'm on 4t taxes and 16t remains. I hate venal institutions, I don’t dabble in alcohol, and grass too. And I wish you.
                      3. Uncle Sam
                        Uncle Sam 21 October 2011 10: 39 New
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                        Why should I try? you address this question to Magadan, that is what I am, I’m more comfortable, and I’ve been to your area at different times, it’s shitty there, I know.
                        I mean, banned?
                      4. Alexei 21 October 2011 10: 45 New
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                        Yes, the rating is negative, in principle, you put forward sensible topics. Yes, it’s not so bad with us, but it would be a little better if it were better.
                      5. Uncle Sam
                        Uncle Sam 21 October 2011 10: 53 New
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                        Ah, that garbage, they’ll see me as an avatar - they’ll only mold it for it, let them, right away, mostly the dim-witted Potrezots flood it, take a look - mate, insults, common truths and nonsense.
                      6. Alexei 21 October 2011 11: 04 New
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                        Yeah, Ava is out of place. There are a lot of wise patriots here, it’s more interesting and dearer to me here than on other sites. It’s useful to listen to a free opinion.
                      7. Uncle Sam
                        Uncle Sam 21 October 2011 11: 09 New
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                        and what else do you visit, if not a secret?
                        Well, there are not enough opinions here ...
                      8. Alexei 21 October 2011 11: 26 New
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                        The secret is fawn.
                        To some extent, they are all standing, “there are rattles in every hut.” Here they are people's thoughts, and in everyday life only about problems, football and shopping.
  • Magadan 21 October 2011 11: 17 New
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    Uncle Sam, I'm from Magadan, it’s easy to find work for a man for 40000 rubles, a woman works somewhere starting from 18000, but on average 25000. I am shocked by the expenses you indicated! What is this 450 rub for protection?
    I don’t know about the cost of the kindergarten, but somewhere 3000. Utility costs 5000-6000. Food at school - 500 rub. The cost of gas is somewhere 3000 (small city) Insurance (car) - 3000 for the year That's all "inevitable expenses). That is, if she and her family earn 50000, but here in any way it can be taken as" average family income " then minus the “obligation” in 15000 thousand (including kindergarten for 1 child), 35000 will still remain. Believe me, the American family will not have much more. However, the question of where to get the money to pay for the child’s education remains open. Children usually take out a loan at the bank. Not all employers pay to the insurance account and according to their law Hakhovka closes 80% of the treatment. But the cost of treatment is terrible - appendicitis at the beginning of 90x cost 10000 dollars. And now, considering the fact that at the end of the year I get vacation pay for 52 days (Americans have maximum for 14, far from all companies, at will employer), the FIG still knows who has the most money. On average, an American family goes on vacation a couple of times in a lifetime.
    I do not argue - there are other examples, but we have enough of those who get to the fig.
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      Uncle Sam 21 October 2011 21: 36 New
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      He’s a friend from Magadan, he said that “tents” do not go further there, but I wrote the expenses, the average salary for hard workers (not co-workers) is 10-15, we have an appendicitis of 30 tyrov, they pay more in the north, as always but live there ... sorry of course, but I’m still swimming in the sea. I will not go there for any loot.
      1. Magadan 22 October 2011 00: 12 New
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        Then everything is shitty :( It’s just that when I went to your region, for some reason it seemed to me that even if they earn less money in Central Russia and still live better. I don’t know what to say. But for a family, a husband plus a wife if he does come out 25-30 thousand, then minus a communal apartment (you have it somewhere 2000 per month on average) minus kindergarten and school (from your words I understood that somewhere 1000), even if 20000 remains in such a family, fuck it with 15000 after of all mandatory expenses - believe me, the Yankees do not have much more left at the end of the month for food, clothes, etc.
  • slan
    slan 20 October 2011 23: 58 New
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    Quote: Uncle Sam
    in the province of 10 pieces is often the limit of dreams

    Give links to a summary of such people))
    Quote: Uncle Sam
    if I lived on a salary, I would have blown it over a hill for a long time; you can only vegetate on a regular salary in a rashka.

    Do you live with blowjob? ..
  • DEfindER 19 October 2011 15: 25 New
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    The fact is that in Russia everything is not so bad for only one reason, pumping out of natural resources, and if we reduced the sale of oil, for example, to the USSR level of 20% of the total production, then such problems would immediately start that the people immediately the barricades will climb ..
  • fellow misha 19 October 2011 15: 35 New
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    Lord, why did you drown Atlantis, it was necessary to drown Britain, and then peace would reign in the whole world, at least on one continent for sure.
    1. Mahamont
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      Will not pass. Then Spain would become a geopolitical adversary. If it were not for the defeat of the “Invincible Armada” in 1588, it would have been so without the Lord God.
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      Britain is a den of evil and vile people, settled on an island and you can’t approach. At least they had some kind of resources there would be an incentive to smash this island to smithereens.
      1. Alexei 21 October 2011 12: 14 New
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        Oh nifiga! Your thoughts remind me of someone's politics)
  • zombies
    zombies 19 October 2011 15: 48 New
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    Of all the above, only the "swinging" of the Caucasus is real, for today it is the most vulnerable spot in Russia, if there are problems, then only there ...
    In principle, there can be no all-Russian revolt, and all the more so, under political slogans - just look at the actions of the "opposition" in which several hundred people participate ...
    1. Mahamont
      Mahamont 19 October 2011 17: 49 New
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      just look at the shares of the "opposition"

      Yeah. And they look at them as hysterical half-wits.
  • Volkhov
    Volkhov 19 October 2011 15: 56 New
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    The triumph of agitprop is that in most comments the West is considered an adversary of the Russian Federation, but try to find confirmation of this factually. He is an adversary only in rare periods of an independent course, the last time in 47-52. One must either go there, or here from the state.
  • APASUS 19 October 2011 18: 43 New
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    The West will not go to such games, an unpredictable result is possible here! From falling into the hands of terrorists to nuclear weapons and nuclear technology, to direct invasion of Europe! That’s why the West goes a little different way! They will try to help us in every way, bringing new values ​​to the place ours. First, we will be instilled with a love of homosexuals and pedophiles. Then we will be forced to transfer all our troops to the Urals and the liquidation of our nuclear potential will be the last democratic chord in recognizing us as democracy. Then they will lobby us with a president who will surrender us as Tadic Serbia!
    1. UAZ Patriot 19 October 2011 22: 07 New
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      such a prez has already been labeled. as an experiment, read the INSOR report “Russia-the image of the desired tomorrow” - you will learn a lot about Liber-Bear (co-co-incursor) and about the future prepared for us! By the way, this report largely explains the purchase of foreign equipment by our stool.
  • does it 19 October 2011 22: 01 New
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    everything is possible ! Ultimately, the future of our country depends on us.
    1. UAZ Patriot 19 October 2011 22: 32 New
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      great words, but to no avail, I like Russian (+ crest) I sit on the priest exactly and I --- cf --- be on politics, like many. Popis --- I can do it but no more, at least until the values ​​change. I’m not going to participate for sharing the dough between some nerds and others, because they themselves understand the restaurant. Need higher values ​​of which the existing world elite is not able to provide. by virtue of their greed.
  • UAZ Patriot 19 October 2011 22: 03 New
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    another ordering against Putin! here they can be beaten by a combination of these letters. for this alone, I am ready to vote for VV Although it is possible that V.V. and orders these articles to persuade the masses to their side!
    1. Mahamont
      Mahamont 20 October 2011 05: 18 New
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      Why is he? As the saying goes, judge by the fruits.
  • lin
    lin 19 October 2011 22: 18 New
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    Devilishly cunning article. Putin as a guarantor of the existence of the country. That is, to tolerate cattle and further, because otherwise Russia will collapse. An endless talking room, how good it is to scold, but you can’t touch it, let this horror continue in the name of the greatness of the Motherland.
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      did you use a google translator? heh --- r understand sho said wink
  • Yves762 20 October 2011 01: 57 New
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    GDP is not a ponza, just its rule allowed the West to ruin / privatize / plunder Russia more smoothly, without a chain reaction among the people. One moment: he and his ilk, having come to power, decided to grab / cut down more than they were promised. From these, some unpleasant for the West jerking of our government (such as the war 08 / 08 / 2008), etc. although maybe we think too much about ourselves. In the sense, it’s not the West that is fighting with Russia, but the West and East (China, India ...) arguing among themselves, as if to divide Russia.
    1. Magadan 20 October 2011 07: 07 New
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      Unlike this, China and India are more likely to go to Africa, there are also enough resources there, and somehow these countries were not particularly noticed among the aggressors in history, the mentality is not the same. They will surely come up with softer ways to access resources.
  • SL.Kocegar
    SL.Kocegar 20 October 2011 05: 29 New
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    “The West will play the old successful game -“ divide and conquer ”, pitting various peoples, religions, social groups among themselves. In this regard, an example of the Russian empire is similar to which the current Russian Federation is similar.” This game has long been started, due to financial injections.
  • SL.Kocegar
    SL.Kocegar 20 October 2011 05: 31 New
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    [hide] [/ hide] The West will play the old successful game - “divide and conquer”, pitting various peoples, religions, social groups among themselves. In this regard, an example of the Russian empire, which the current Russian Federation is similar to, is indicative. This game has long been started due to financial injections.
  • Magadan 20 October 2011 07: 05 New
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    I want to recall one sad, vile fact from our history: more than 1 million Russians fought on the side of the Nazis against their own country. Do you know how many Germans fought on the side of the USSR against Hitler, i.e. really shot in their own way? Something we did not hear about such. So, guys, our country is not only glorious by Panfilov’s heroes and Sevastopol heroes, but by all sorts of Vlasov’s and other scum, since the time of the traitors-boyars of the 1612 model. NATO counts on these scum with through and through Americanized brains. It seems like we don’t want revolutions, but who knows that once again these heirs of Ignatius of Loyola and other Jesuits will come up with. It’s possible, with the help of their people in power, to organize some kind of “Lensky execution” or another “Bloody Sunday.” The answer to this will be a speech by the masses that they will provoke. Mossad snipers will work among the protesting masses or even in parallel with them, as in 1993 If you wish and have a lot of money in key cities, you can create such chaos that your mother does not grieve.
    You should not panic about this, but it’s worthwhile to figure out such scenarios, moreover, openly, in the internet. The devil is more than anything afraid of being exposed.
    1. fellow misha 20 October 2011 09: 01 New
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      Name the source from which you learned about the million Russians who fought under the banners of the Third Reich. I hate those whose misinformation about the "million Russians" push through eh?
      1. sirToad
        sirToad 20 October 2011 09: 33 New
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        Really the source is not clear - the mega-author and our all with a speaking surname - Solzhenitsyn
      2. Magadan 20 October 2011 23: 25 New
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        I don’t remember the sources and I hope that you are right, but even according to your data in 130000 thousands, this is still monstrous. Those Germans did not go over to the side of the USSR in order to shoot at their own.
        1. fellow misha 21 October 2011 09: 20 New
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          You compare the conditions under which the Wehrmacht prisoners of war were kept, look at the diet, etc. and who was such a prisoner of war of the Red Army, especially in 41-42 (livestock had more chances to survive) I personally used to draw some conclusions based on historical facts and eyewitness accounts and not on fiction books for those who like to distort the truth Solzhenitsyn, V. Astafiev and others like them. My grandfather was captured participating in the battles of the second shock army under the command of General Vlasov and survived in captivity due to the fact that one fat Hans sometimes threw a squirrel through the fence of dead cats for fun and there was a lot of “fun”, it was After his release in 1945 near Murmansk, he spent another 2 years in the camps, but not about that. In general, the figure of 130 thousand people. formed in the bulk of the people who simply did not want to die (I do not justify them but scourging them is not worth it as our generation would have led in those conditions) another part of the ROA is of course rabid anti-Soviet prisoners of war and immigrants (the civil war is only 20 years old how it ended) and this part fired but it fired according to their concepts, not the Russians but the Communists, the Reds, etc. Here is another fact from the history of the ROA in the spring of 1945. 1 division of this army participated in the liberation of Prague from the soldiers Reich before the arrival of the Red Army, to discuss about what led them to it now is not worth it so take it as a fact.
  • fellow misha 20 October 2011 09: 28 New
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    For your information in ROA (the most numerous formation of former [u] citizens the USSR) 130 thousand people served. and for your information, the Germans were afraid to entrust even security operations in Western Europe, not to mention the territories close to the front. In the entire history of the ROA, it came into combat contact with parts of the Red Army only a few times in the spring of 1945, and rather it was an instinct for self-sacrifice (every creature also wanted to live) than the desire to fight for something else.
    1. Uncle Sam
      Uncle Sam 21 October 2011 09: 16 New
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      you tavarisch are not right, the roa was really formed only at the end of 1944, but before this formation its members fought on the eastern front from the very beginning, and the number was much larger. Only national formations were more than 100 thousand (Tatars, Kalmyks, Caucasians, etc.) And there was also the Cossack corps of von Panwitz, several hundred thousand people, who fought on the eastern front and in Yugoslavia. When they talk about the German occupation of Yugoslavia, this is 90% of our Cossacks.
      1. fellow misha 21 October 2011 12: 01 New
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        Yes, in your overseas sources it is written: the year of foundation of the ROA - December 1942
        On the number of representatives of Turkic and Caucasian peoples, as well as Cossacks in the ranks of the Third Reich in 1941-1945. The following figures give an idea: Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Turkmens and other Central Asian nationalities - about 70 thousand, Azerbaijanis - up to 40 thousand, North Caucasians - up to 30 thousand, Georgians - 25 thousand, Armenians - 20 thousand, Volga Tatars - 12,5 , 10 thousand, Crimean Tatars - 7 thousand, Kalmyks - 70 thousand, Cossacks - XNUMX thousand
  • SL.Kocegar
    SL.Kocegar 20 October 2011 10: 10 New
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    As the Germans threw money for the revolution, so the current instability is probably already paid out of someone’s pocket
    1. Nick 20 October 2011 11: 43 New
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      Look for someone profitable, and draw conclusions.
  • kimdmitri
    kimdmitri 20 October 2011 12: 41 New
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    "Obviously, the West cannot allow the revival of Russia as one of the global players."


    Really?! And why did the West admit a country like China to global players?
    Missed something?
    Not everything in this world revolves around Russia. What is the habit of waiting for an attack and looking for enemies?

    And why did the United States allow the formation of the European Union and the emergence of the Euro as a competitor to the dollar? Already used to bomb all to hell and slept peacefully. No.
    1. fellow misha 20 October 2011 13: 52 New
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      Not everything in this world revolves around Russia. What is the habit of waiting for an attack and looking for enemies?
      You’ve skipped history lessons at school. It seems to me over the past 300 years how many years Russia lived in the world, maybe you still think that she, Russia spent the war years in colonial or invasion wars, one moment was when Russia was called the “European gendarme” in XIX century after the invasion of Napoleon and how many such "Napoleons" were before and after you probably know. I would agree with you if our country were called, for example, Mongolia or Cambodia.
      1. Uncle Sam
        Uncle Sam 21 October 2011 09: 22 New
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        Because it is beneficial for the ruling oligarchy to maintain hysteria and create the image of an external enemy, dusty scary horror stories are pulled out for this, and poorly educated inhabitants are carried on this bullshit.
        This is food pumps and hitchhikers and need.
        1. fellow misha 21 October 2011 09: 46 New
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          If for you the history of the Russian State is dusty shovelsthen the shores are lost for you, of course, provided that you are a local resident and not a "mishandled Cossack"
          1. Uncle Sam
            Uncle Sam 21 October 2011 10: 33 New
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            wake up, where did you send it, by whom did you send it? Are you probably looking for spies as well?
            you’re probably still young, comrade, you don’t know that “scoop” has been synonymous with “Soviet” since Soviet times. So you haven’t gotten into the history of state Russian here.
            By the way, I live on the shores of the Black Sea, I haven’t lost it yet. I’m going to go for a dip, I’ll bathe until December. A healthy mind, young man in a healthy body!
        2. kirk82 26 October 2011 13: 41 New
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          Uncle Sam, do you have enough evidence? read a little what powerful enemy we have ... Paul Wolfowitz, Zbigniew Brzezinski and a ton of other Russophobes, read what they say about Russia and how they make insidious plans to relax and then divide the country. To see this, you don’t need to be a professor all the same obviously. CNN, BBC, FoxNews are all tools against Russia. How do you propose to protect yourself? can all citizens set up a pro-American?
    2. Magadan 20 October 2011 23: 41 New
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      Because the USA knows - China is not self-sufficient and has no resources. Block China's oxygen for export - and the Khan of the Middle Kingdom. But Russia does not care about all the iron curtains and other crap - we can live without the rest of the world, if the traitors working on this outside world do not fall apart again.
      Moreover, Russia has an amazing ability to unite other countries around itself, unless, of course, there is an idea to unite around. For your information, in the former CMEA countries they are already starting to look into socialism with longing. And even the Afghans say that there were good guys at Shuravi, we fought honestly with us and built hospitals for us.
      That’s all that the USA and Europe hate us for. We can not only put a part on everyone, but also unite others around us.
  • Fireman
    Fireman 20 October 2011 13: 44 New
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    The best that can be done is to split in 5 regions of Russia, and then in the form of a country that wants the USA, EU, China, India, Pakistan, Japan and around the world! But we will not let 3 World War II lead! Ha ha ha ... ha ha ha ... global conspiracy! Putin is great when Peter is the first!
    1. sirToad
      sirToad 20 October 2011 13: 50 New
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      did you want to say something smart?
    2. fellow misha 20 October 2011 14: 30 New
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      Do not flood here, wrong place
    3. AleksUkr 20 October 2011 22: 08 New
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      Humor is inappropriate. As long as successful managers rule the country - the country will stagnate. Putin is already beginning to be compared with Brezhnev. But, it seems to me that he doesn’t like it. He threw Medvedev to the polls with EdRo. In order not to be disgraced in the event of a fall the results of the "party in power", and the cleanest one to go to the president. For some reason, we evaluate his work not by the way he leads a mediocre government, but by personal attractiveness
  • kirk82 20 October 2011 14: 22 New
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    I believe that key positions in power should be allowed only clean Slavs, that is, Russians, but this should not spill over into Nazism. The death of Mother Russia in Nazism!
    1. Magadan 22 October 2011 00: 17 New
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      I do not agree. Foreigners and other nationalities ruled wonderful with us and loved Russia more than most Russians love it. I am talking about Catherine and Stalin
  • Debugger2005
    Debugger2005 20 October 2011 14: 33 New
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    And this is whose script wink then ?? February 2 only in the west http://topwar.ru/7775-kak-zapad-mozhet-udarit-po-rossii.html

    Wall Street's “Invaders” flooded the whole world
    Wall Street Capture has crossed the borders of the United States. A wave of mass protests swept over many countries in Europe, Latin America, Japan, Canada and Australia.
  • Uncle Sam
    Uncle Sam 20 October 2011 20: 49 New
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    Yes, it will be easier, due to degeneration (spalling) and a decrease in the number of the Russian-speaking population, the Chinese will smoothly settle Siberia to the Urals, and in the European part the Russians will be in the minority and enslaved to musliks, they will make caliphates. the West will not intervene. By the way, in Moscow there are already more than one million musli ...
    1. Cross
      Cross 20 October 2011 22: 40 New
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      the diagnosis is extensive brain assumptions, the prosral-all-polymers syndrome in the terminal stage ...


      Colleagues, how will we treat the patient?) lol
      1. Uncle Sam
        Uncle Sam 21 October 2011 09: 18 New
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        you this kind of clever wrote something? re-read, do not you disgust yourself? son ...
        1. Cross
          Cross 21 October 2011 10: 04 New
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          Oh, sarcasm awoke in you? Bravo! * thunderous non-stop applause *
          1. Uncle Sam
            Uncle Sam 21 October 2011 10: 34 New
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            Oh, the rudiments of culture awoke in you? well, this is a big move
            1. drinkins
              drinkins 26 October 2011 13: 55 New
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              sucker pendosy write first learn "kofboy"
      2. ESCANDER
        ESCANDER 21 October 2011 11: 55 New
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        With this diagnosis (taking into account also the anamnesis) it is cheaper to saw off a head than to cure it.
        1. Uncle Sam
          Uncle Sam 21 October 2011 21: 38 New
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          keep silent rubber product
      3. baluru72
        baluru72 22 October 2011 08: 51 New
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        Enemas, colleagues, only enemas ,,,, While enemas are working, nonsense doesn’t get into my head ,,,, Not to her ,,,
  • AleksUkr 20 October 2011 21: 48 New
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    The article was written on time. This is primarily a pre-election PR. Recall when in 1993 they adopted the new Yeltsin Constitution. From morning to night on all channels YES, YES, no, YES. And a reminder that if we do not vote for the constitution, there will be a war. Everyone voted with enthusiasm. EdRo loses its position in all respects. Therefore, such articles are being thrown in. And you soberly evaluate = that despite all the efforts of our military-political leadership and successful furniture managers in the army, it still exists. And if you believe the statements of Putin and Medvedev, then the army in the end, they will restore it and bring it into a divine form capable of performing any military tasks. But it’s hard to hope for the people. We only have fugitives from the draft of more than 200 thousand. And do not be surprised that more than 1 million people fought against us during the Second World War . That's for sure. Read the story. In addition, the guerrilla movement began only after the Germans began to clatter everyone. Before that, it was in its infancy. Read at least A. Fedorov “The underground regional committee is functioning” and a number of other memories .. And we are fed up with hatred.
  • Maksim
    Maksim 21 October 2011 04: 43 New
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    What scenarios can a woman realize in relation to Russia? my answer is no. in the sub-region, apparently there are riots there, they are not up to us now.