Hand-to-hand fight: the secret weapon of the Red Army

For the Nazi invaders who attacked the USSR 22 June 1941, the ability of the Red Army fighters to fight with bayonets, deminers and knives was just as unexpected as the medium tank T-34 or the legendary Katyusha mortar. The Germans were able to evaluate the bayonet attack of the Soviet troops on themselves in the first hours of the war in the Brest Fortress. There is nothing surprising in this, because in the Red Army practically from its very inception, servicemen began to actively train and develop their speed qualities, endurance, agility, strength, and also pay due attention to the moral and psychological qualities of the fighters. Hand-to-hand combat became a very important part of the training of the Red Army.

At the same time story The bayonet in the Russian army began long before World War II. It originates from the time of Peter I. The introduction of the bayonet instead of the baginet in 1709 made the gun quite suitable for action in battle not only with fire and butt, but also with a bayonet. Unlike baginet, the bayonet did not have to be separated from the gun before each new shot and during the loading process. Combining the bayonet with a gun significantly increased the offensive power of the Russian infantryman. Unlike the armies of European countries in which the bayonet was used as a defensive weapon, in the Russian army it was used as an offensive weapon. A strong bayonet strike became an integral part of the tactics of the Russian army. Over time, the Russian method of conducting a bayonet battle so intimidated the enemy that, according to the Geneva Convention, the traditional strike in the stomach was replaced with a “more humane” strike with a bayonet in the chest.

Officially obligatory classes in gymnastics and knife fights began in the Red Army as early as 1918, they were combined with mandatory exercises on shooting. Hand-to-hand combat in the army necessarily included combat gymnastics — various movements with weapons, shovels, and somersaults, as well as overcoming various obstacles. During the years of the civil war, they managed to accumulate a great deal of hand-to-hand fighting, based on this experience, further development of hand-to-hand combat in the USSR proceeded. Beginning with the 1924 year, the first official military manuals for physical training of fighters and citizens of pre-conscription age began to be published in the country.

Before the start of World War II, the army managed to undergo a sufficient number of reforms that significantly changed the principles of hand-to-hand combat. Bayonet fighting, throwing grenades and shooting were combined into a single complex. Great lessons were learned from military conflicts with Japan and Finland. The experience gained by the Red Army proved that the bayonet battle, or, at any rate, its readiness for it, was still the decisive and final element of any attack. This experience clearly showed significant losses in melee fights both because of the competent use of the bayonet, and because of the inability to use it.

In the USSR, it was understood that hand-to-hand combat, night combat, reconnaissance actions, a combination of grenade strikes and cold weapons - all this created an environment that requires the necessary peacetime training for any army that wants to secure victory in future battles and achieve it. little blood. The combat regulations of the infantry of the Red Army before the war was quite categorical: “The ultimate combat task of an infantryman in an offensive battle is to smash the enemy in a melee.”

The Red Army soldiers were constantly taught that their bayonet was an offensive weapon, and the very essence of a bayonet battle was interpreted as follows: “The experience of wars shows us that a large number of soldiers were killed or wounded only because they could not use their weapons properly, especially bayonet. At the same time, bayonet combat is a decisive factor in any attack. Until the last opportunity, bayonet fighting is preceded by shooting. At the same time, the bayonet is the main weapon in the night battle. ” The soldiers of the Red Army were taught that during the hand-to-hand combat of the retreating enemies, they should push the bayonet and hand grenades all the way to the line indicated in the order. A chasing an opponent to pursue fast, accurate and calm fire.

In the Red Army a lot of attention was paid to the speed with which the fighters could move, and their sharpness was developed with the help of fast games and various physical exercises that required instant muscle response and high speed of thinking. At the same time, boxing and sambo played a significant role in the development of the individual qualities of the fighters, and they went hand in hand with the basics of bayonet fighting.

Harsh School of War

The Finnish war proved the importance of studying hand-to-hand combat techniques, and battles with fascist troops, especially battles in cities and trench battles, summed up this experience and greatly enhanced. Lieutenant-General Gerasimov thus described the tactics of assault on the enemy's fortified areas of defense: “From a distance of 40-50 meters, the attacking infantry must cease fire in order to reach enemy trenches with one decisive throw. From a distance of 20-25 meters, hand grenades come into action, which soldiers throw on the run. This is followed by a shot at close range and the defeat of the enemy with the help of knives ”.

The catastrophic start of the war and the 1941 boilers of the year led to substantial losses in the ranks of the Red Army. But already in those difficult months of the war the strengths of the Soviet armed forces became clear. It was possible to establish that in hand-to-hand combat, the Wehrmacht’s soldiers were inferior in level to the Red Army. Thus, the arguments that boiled before the start of the war that the bayonet had already lost its relevance demonstrated the correctness of those military specialists who insisted on mass training of soldiers in bayonet combat skills.

Today in the newsreel footage of those years, you can see how the militiamen teach you to prick the enemy with bayonets while on the run, but in the first months of the war, you had to destroy the Nazi invaders in other conditions - in your own or others' trenches, trying to deliver an accurate blow to the neck. At the same time, the sapper shovel became the most formidable weapon of the Soviet fighters. Especially well these improvised weapons were owned by builders and numerous collective farmers who had joined the Red Army and who often had to work as carpentry axes before the start of the war. Their blows were sharp and sometimes of such strength that they could chop off limbs, not to mention broken heads. After the hand-to-hand fighting, the funeral German teams often found their soldiers with their skulls cut.

Remembering the campaigns in Europe, the soldiers and officers of the Wehrmacht, more and more often in conversations among themselves and in their letters to their homeland, expressed the thought: "Whoever did not fight in the Russian melee, he did not see a real war." Artillery fire, bombardment, firefight, hunger and cold, exhausting marches in the mud could not be compared with the fierce and short bouts in which it was very difficult to survive.

“We fought for one house for 15 days, using mortars, machine guns, grenades, and bayonets,” wrote the German lieutenant of the 24th tank divisions in his letter home about the battles in Stalingrad. - Already on the third day of fighting in the stairwells, stairs and basements, we left the corpses of 54 of my comrades. The "Front Line" in this war went along the corridor that separated the burnt rooms, along the ceiling between floors. Reinforcements pulled up to us through the fire escape, chimneys, from neighboring buildings. At the same time, the struggle went from morning to night. From one floor to another, with blackened soot, we throw grenades at each other, fighting in the thunder of explosions, puffs of smoke and dust, among puddles of blood, piles of cement, pieces of furniture and fragments of human bodies. Ask any fighter what half an hour in hand-to-hand combat means in such a fight. And then imagine Stalingrad. 80 days and 80 nights of hand-to-hand fighting. In which the length of the street is now measured not by meters, but by dead bodies. ”

Basic techniques of bayonet combat

The following main methods of bayonet fighting were practiced in the Red Army: a shot, a butt and a kick.

An injection

The injection, of course, was the main method of the bayonet battle of the Red Army. The highlight of the bayonet battle was striving straight at the enemy's rifle with a bayonet, threatening his throat and hitting the open space of the body. To perform an injection, it was necessary to send a rifle (carbine) with both hands forward (having pointed the point of the bayonet at the target) and, fully straightening the left hand, advance the weapon with the right hand across the palm of the left hand until the magazine box rests on the palm. At the same time, it was necessary to sharply straighten the right leg and, giving the body forward, apply a shot with a lunge of the left leg. After that, it was necessary to immediately pull out the bayonet and take the starting position.

Depending on the combat circumstances, an injection could be inflicted both without deception and with deception of the enemy. In those cases when the enemy’s weapon didn’t prevent the injection, it was necessary to prick straight (injection without cheating). And when the enemy was covered with his own weapon, then, sending the bayonet directly, it was necessary to create a threat of an injection (deception), and when the enemy attempted to make a beating, quickly transfer his bayonet to the other side of the enemy's weapon and stab him. At the same time, it was always necessary to keep his opponent under attack, as a soldier who could not deliver a sensitive blow to the open space of his opponent's body for even just one fifth of a second, himself risked being killed.

Mastering the injection technique by the Red Army was carried out in the following sequence: first, the injection was performed without the stuffed animal; after this injection in the effigy; then a shot with a step forward and lunge; prick in motion, step and run; injecting a group of stuffed animals with a change in direction of movement; at the end, the fighters practiced an injection of stuffed animals in various settings (trenches, trenches, forest areas, etc.).

When training and studying the injection, the focus was on the development of strength and accuracy. As part of the study, the soldiers of the Red Army literally memorized the dictum of Russian General Dragomirov: “It must always be remembered that when using cold weapons, the eye meter is undoubtedly more important than in firing: there is an infidelity of the hand or an error in determining the distance to the target leads to loss of a bullet here it can lead to the loss of life. ”

Kick butt

The soldiers had to use the butt strikes, if they met their opponent closely, when it was already impossible to inject him. In this case, the blows could be applied from the side, top, front and back. In order to strike at the enemy from the side, it was necessary to simultaneously strike the right foot forward and move the right hand from the bottom up to deliver a strong blow with an acute butt to the head area of ​​the enemy soldier. A side butt kick could be conveniently applied after performing a beating to the left.

For striking the butt forward, it was necessary to push the butt down with the right hand and, having seized the right arm above the top lying ring, pull back his rifle or carbine, carry out the swing, then hit the enemy with the left foot, the back of the butt.

To strike with the butt back, it was necessary to turn on the heels of both legs to the right in a circle (at the same time the legs in the knees did not unbend), at the same time it was necessary to make a swing, for this it was necessary to take the rifle or carbine back as far as possible, turning it with a magazine box upwards . After that, with a lunge of the right leg, it was necessary to carry out a blow with the back of the head of the butt on the enemy’s face.

In order to strike a butt from the top, it was necessary to throw the weapon up, turning it with the magazine upwards, on the fly grab it with the left hand from the top of the upper bed ring, and with the right hand from the bottom of the lower bed ring and with a lunge with the right foot strike a strong blow from above with a sharp corner .

At the same time, it was necessary to strike blows with a butt quickly, accurately and strongly. Training of these blows was carried out on stuffed sheaves or on a training stick ball.

Chipping

Repulses were used by Red Army soldiers to protect against enemy pricks during an attack, when a weapon in the hands of the enemy prevented an injection. After beating the blow of the enemy, it was necessary to immediately take a shot or to perform a blow with a butt. Repulses were performed right, left and down right. Fighting back to the right side was carried out when an enemy soldier threatened to stab into the upper right part of the body. In such a situation, with a quick movement of the left hand to the right and slightly forward, it was necessary to make a short and sharp blow with the forearm on the enemy weapon and immediately make an injection. To carry out having beaten down to the right (when the enemy attempted to prick the lower part of the body), it was necessary to quickly move his left hand in a semicircle to the left and down to the right to make a sharp blow with the forearm on the rifle of the enemy.

Repulses were performed with one hand, they were performed quickly and on a small scale, without turning the hull. The sweeping repulse was unfavorable for the reason that the soldier opened himself, giving the opportunity to inflict an injection on the enemy. First, there was a study of only the techniques of the beats, after which he studied by beating to the right with a prick with a training stick and having beaten off with the subsequent execution of the injection into the effigy. After this training began to be carried out in a complicated and varied environment in combination with pricks and butts.

During the Great Patriotic War, a huge number of melee fights took place. It was a vital necessity. At the same time, the statistics clearly show that in the majority of melee fights the initiators were the fighters and commanders of the Red Army. According to statistics, the opponents of the Red Army decided to fight hand-to-hand only in 29% of cases, which indicates their fear of this type of battle, while the Red Army fighters, on the contrary, sought to impose hand-to-hand combat on the enemy.

Information sources:
http://weapon.at.ua/publ/20-1-0-330
http://svpressa.ru/post/article/109070/?rintr=1
http://ammoussr.ru/history/rukopashnyiy-boy-v-krasnoy-armii
http://protectyou.ru/articles/rukopashnyy-boy-v-krasnoy-armii

Comments

[svp67]

For the Nazi invaders who attacked the USSR on June 22, 1941, the ability of the Red Army to fight with bayonets, sapper shovels and knives was as unexpected as the T-34 medium tank or the legendary Katyusha rocket mortar

And here I do not agree with the author. The ability of the Red Army to go in bayonet attacks was not a special secret, since this technique was well developed even in the imperial Russian army and the Germans knew about it. Moreover, they themselves this type of battle was not a secret.

A breastplate was even established in the Wehrmacht.

The melee badge is awarded in recognition of the courage of a soldier who often participated with weapons in hand-to-hand fighting "man against man" according to his duties. (German: "Mann gegen Mann")

And the fact that our fighters turned out to be better prepared is such a HUGE merit of the state, since the elements of this battle were taught in OSOAVIAHIM. as pre-conscription training

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"The bullet is a fool! The bayonet is great!" (A.V.Suvorov)
Do not add, do not turn down ...

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If you have AK, you know for sure that:
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If you have M16, you know for sure that
Do you have enough special synthetic oil with Teflon particles at the price of $ 9 per ounce recommended by the weapons manufacturer?
If you have a Mosin rifle, you know for sure that:
The last time it was cleaned in May 1945, after the storm of Berlin
If you have AK, you know for sure that:
You are able to get into the far wall of the barn, standing in its doors
If you have M16, you know for sure that
You are able to hit a target the size of a barn at a distance of 600 m.
If you have a Mosin rifle, you know for sure that:
You are able to hit your target by shooting from the territory of a neighboring district.
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Its an inexpensive 30-charge store that is very easy to buy
If you have M16, you know for sure that
Do not use inexpensive stores, they can lead to jamming of cartridges when firing!
If you have a Mosin rifle, you know for sure that:
Score? And what is it?
If you have AK, you know for sure that:
The click of his fuse is heard from a distance of 300 m.
If you have M16, you know for sure that
The fuse blows almost silently compared to the flick of a trigger
If you have a Mosin rifle, you know for sure that:
Fuse? And what is it?

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If you have AK, you know for sure that:
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If you have M16, you know for sure that
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If you have a Mosin rifle, you know for sure that:
Instead of a belt on your rifle, you can use a dog collar.
If you have AK, you know for sure that:
The sheath design of your bayonet-knife allows you to use it for cutting barbed wire
If you have M16, you know for sure that
Your bayonet-knife can easily cut meat or sausage
If you have a Mosin rifle, you know for sure that:
The needle bayonet of your rifle is VERY VERY long
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The bullet of your machine will go deeper into the trunk of a 30-inch oak by at least 12 inches (if you, of course, fall into it).
If you have M16, you know for sure that
From a distance of 100 m with 30 shots you can knock out 300 points on a standard paper target
If you have a Mosin rifle, you know for sure that:
At such distances, just the sound from your shot will be enough to hit the target
If you have AK, you know for sure that:
When the ammunition runs out, you can use the machine as a club.
If you have M16, you know for sure that
When you run out of ammunition, you can use your rifle as an elegant golf club
If you have a Mosin rifle, you know for sure that:
If you run out of ammo, you can use your rifle as an excellent club, as a pike, as an oar, as a tent support or, in extreme cases, as fuel for a fire.
If you have AK, you know for sure that:
The return is quite bearable, almost not felt.
If you have M16, you know for sure that
What is “bestowal”?
If you have a Mosin rifle, you know for sure that:
Recoil is quite capable of crushing the shoulder joint, already pretty injured by previous shots.
If you have AK, you know for sure that:
Your sight was once mounted at the “P” mark, and you don’t have any special need to move it to another position
If you have M16, you know for sure that
Adjustment of your sight is made in fractions of MOA (Minute Of Angle - angular minute)
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Your sight allows you to hit targets at a distance of one and a half miles and you even managed to do this at least several times.
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In some wars, your rifle was used by armies on both sides of the front - and it always won!
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This weapon of revolutionaries and national liberation movements, it is known on all continents and even fell on the arms of several countries.
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You dug up zinc with cartridges that have lain in Ukrainian black soil since 1943, and they are still in excellent condition.
If you have AK, you know for sure that:
If you join the bayonet, your enemies will be pretty scared
If you have M16, you know for sure that
If you join the bayonet, you will make your enemies pretty ridiculous
If you have a Mosin rifle, you know for sure that:
With this bayonet you can stab the enemy on the other side of the river without even climbing out of your trench
If you have AK, you know for sure that:
Its service life is 50 years.
If you have M16, you know for sure that
Its service life is 40 years.
If you have a Mosin rifle, you know for sure that:
Its service life is 100 years (maybe more, I did not check ...)
If you have AK, you know for sure that
If the caliber of cartridges changes, you just buy a new machine
If you have M16, you know for sure that
If you need to change the caliber of a weapon, you just get a set of a new barrel, bolt and magazine.
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You cannot imagine a person who would decide to refuse to use the cartridge 7.62x54r
If you have AK, you know for sure that:
To repair your machine, it is enough to have a large bench hammer and pliers
If you have M16, you know for sure that
You have the right to repair your rifle only in a certified weapons workshop, because your rifle is still under warranty!
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If you still manage to break your rifle - it will be easier to buy a new one ...
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If you have M16, you know for sure that
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You are lucky if you managed to shoot 50 rounds in a row and leave the firing range without assistance

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If you have AK, you know for sure that:
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In the evening, after a difficult combat duty, you relax on a table near a chiropractor who is adjusting your shoulder joint.
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After cleaning your machine, you have a strong desire to smear a glass of vodka
If you have M16, you know for sure that
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After cleaning your Rifle, you have the thought - “But is it possible to fry a strong kebab on its bayonet?”
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You can modify your machine by installing a new muzzle brake arrester and installing a pad on the butt
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If you have a Mosin rifle, you know for sure that:
A pencil case with the accessories of your rifle ... where is he? ... heh ... it seems he was left under the ruins of a house in Budapest
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For the final finishing of the machine, you applied camouflage paint to the barrel trim, forend and butt and varnished them.
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Your wife is sympathetic to the fact that there is always a photograph of M. Kalashnikov with his personal autograph on your table
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You are not quite sure if THEN cameras existed to capture the bright image of Sergey Mosin.
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Sometimes, late at night, you feel a strong desire to dig a full profile infantry trench in the courtyard of the house and continue your vacation in it.

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Add a little:

M16 - Wedges when dirty
AK47 - Works when dirty
Trehlineyka - It has not been clean since the moment of issuance to the troops in 1892

M16 - Hundreds of moving parts held together by dozens of bolts and screws
AK47 - A pair of dozens of moving parts held by a handful of rivets.
Trilinek - three moving parts, two screws.

M16 - You would rather die than decide to smash your expensive rifle in hand-to-hand combat
AK47 - your assault rifle can beat you well in hand-to-hand combat
Three-ruler - Your rifle is a cool spear with the ability to shoot

M16 - If the firing pin breaks, you send the rifle to the factory under warranty
AK47 - If the hammer breaks, you insert a new one
Three-line - If the hammer breaks, you spin it a couple of turns further into the shutter

M16 - More difficult to manufacture than many aircraft
AK47 - Used by countries that do not have money for airplanes
Three-line - Aircraft shot down from it

M16 - A plastic butt melts under a magnifying glass
AK47 - Under the magnifying glass you can see the Vietnamese mud still working instead of grease
Three-line - Under the magnifying glass you can see the impregnated tree BLOOD

Owner's favorite drink
M16 - Cognac
AK47 - Vodka
Three-line - Brake fluid drained from a frozen crowbar

M16 - Makes a small hole, everything is neat, in accordance with the Geneva Convention
AK47 - Makes a big hole, sometimes tears off limbs, does not comply with the Geneva Convention
Three-line - One of the reasons for the creation of the Geneva Convention

M16 - Perfectly shoots small rodents
AK47 - Perfectly shoots enemies
Trehlineyka - Excellent shoots light equipment

M16 - Once in a river, it stops working
AK47 - Once in the river, still shoots
Three-line - Once in a river, usually used as a paddle

M16 - Weapons for defense
AK47 - Assault Weapons
Trilinek - Victory Weapons!

M16 - The grenade launcher is heavy, but can put a grenade in the window for 200 meters
AK47 - If anything, the grenade from the grenade launcher can be thrown into the window with your hand
Three-line - Grenade out the window? Beat THROUGH the wall, the cartridge pierces almost a meter of brick

M16 - You can put a silencer, a small cartridge does not give a lot of sound
AK47 - In principle, you can put a silencer, but it’s better just to press enemies to the ground with continuous fire
Three-line - Nafig silencer, when after the first shot, everyone will deaf in any way.

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List of the most successful Soviet snipers- recall
1. Surname, Name, Patronymic
2. The number of enemies destroyed
3.Notes
Surkov Mikhail Ilyich
702
4-I SD, 12-I Army.
Salbiev Vladimir Gavrilovich
601
(71 GVSD and 95 GVSD) to 20.12.1944
Kvachantiradze Vasily Shalvovich
534
GSS from 24.03.1945 year.
Sidorenko Ivan Mikhailovich
about 500
GSS from 4.06.1944 year.
Ilyin Nikolay Yakovlevich
494
GSS dated February 8.02.1943, 4.08.1943. He died on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX.
Kulbertin Ivan Nikolaevich
487
He died in 1993 year.
Pchelintsev Vladimir Nikolaevich
456 (including 14 snipers)
GSS from 6.02.1942 year.
Goncharov Petr Alekseevich
445
GSS dated February 10.01.1944, 30.01.1944. He died on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX.
News Budenkov Mikhail Ivanovich
437
GSS from 24.03.1945 year.
Renskov Ivan Mikhailovich
437
These need to be clarified
Okhlopkov Fedor Matveevich
429
GSS from 6.05.1965 year.
Dyachenko Fedor Trofimovich
425
GSS from 21.02.1944 year.
Petrenko Stepan Vasilyevich
422 (including 12 snipers)
GSS from 24.03.1945 year.
Golosov Vasily Ivanovich
422 (including 70 snipers)
He died on 16.08.1943/26.10.1943/XNUMX. GSS dated XNUMX.
Galushkin Nikolai Ivanovich
418 (including 17 snipers)
GRF from 21.06.1995 year.
Gordienko Afanasy Emelyanovich
417 (424?)
Killed in 1943 year.
Abdybekov Tuleugali Nasyrhanovich
397
Died from 23.02.1944 wounds of the year.
Kharchenko Fedor Alekseevich
387
He died on 23.01.1944/6.05.1965/XNUMX. GSS dated XNUMX.
Nomokonov Semen Danilovich
368
Including one general and 8 Japanese.
Medvedev Viktor Ivanovich
362
GSS from 22.02.1944 year.
Velichko Gennady Iosifovich
360
According to other sources - 330. GSS dated 26.10.1943.
Antonov, Ivan Petrovich
352 (including 20 snipers)
GSS from 22.02.1943 year.
Belousov, Mikhail Ignatievich
about 350
GSS from 26.10.1943 year.
Govorukhin Alexander
349
296-th SP, 13-I CD.
Idrisov Abduhazhi
349
GSS from 3.06.1944 year.
Rubakho Philip Yakovlevich
346
He died of wounds on September 14.09.1943, 22.01.1944. GSS from XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX.
Larkin Ivan Ivanovich
340
GSS from 15.01.1944 year.
Markin, Ivan I.
340
1183-th SP, 356-I CD
Gorelikov Ivan Pavlovich
however 338
GSS from 28.04.1943 year.
Grigoriev Ilya Leonovich
328 (including 18 snipers)
GSS from 15.07.1944 year.
Butkevich Leonid Vladimirovich
327
According to some sources - 345. GSS dated 25.10.1943/XNUMX/XNUMX.
Nikolaev Evgeny Adrianovich
324
14-th SP, 21-I SD NKVD
Ivasik Mikhail Adamovich
320
He died on 18.08.1944/24.03.1945/XNUMX. GSS dated XNUMX.
Tulaev Zhambyl Evsheevich
313 (including 30 snipers)
GSS from 14.02.1943 year.
Pavlichenko Lyudmila Mikhailovna 309
Lebedev Alexander Pavlovich
307
He died on 14.08.1943/4.06.1944/XNUMX. GSS dated XNUMX.
Vasily A. Titov
307
301-th OAD CBF.
Dobrik Ivan Timofeevich
302
14-th SP, 21-I SD NKVD.
Usik Moses Timofeevich
however 300
GSS dated February 17.10.1943, 8.01.1944. He died on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX.
Adamia Noi Petrovich
about 300
He died in July 1942. GSS from 24.07.1942.
Vedernikov Nikolay Stepanovich
about 300 (including a machine gun)
GSS from 27.06.1945 year.
Bryksin Maxim Semenovich
about 300
726-th SP, 395-I CD.
and were able to shoot

[candy wrapper13]

for comparison-
Mattias Hetzener - 345 confirmed killed among the German snipers, Josef Allerberger - 257 confirmed killed and Lithuanian Lithuanian who fought for the Germans Bruno Sutkus - 209 killed. He was also famous for the Finn Simo Hayuhya, who is credited with 504 of killed Red Army men, of whom 219 was able to be documented.

[jjj]

And this despite the fact that sniping in the Red Army was not a professional matter, but purely amateur

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: jjj

And this despite the fact that sniping in the Red Army was not a professional matter, but purely amateur

Only now it was delivered professionally and actively supported before the war. The result - the best snipers in performance - these are the Red Army snipers.

[t118an]

and our Heroes were better ...

[x25]

the wrong Köning is in the photo, the other is French

[NewDoctor]

Fiercely furious plus

[Kunar]

Button accordion, of course, but so cool)))))

[pilot8878]

Add in the form of a table.

[Assistant]

If you have AK, you know for sure that:
The gun belt is made of cheap canvas or plastic.

Yeah, well, try breaking the standard AK nylon belt ...

[Shishiga]

Yeah, well, try breaking the standard AK nylon belt ...

AK nylon belt

Actually, I’ve served so far, and from 1981 to 1999 the belt was canvas

[Raider]

Something this rhyme about M-16, AK and Mosin is boring in various versions and numerous "remixes".

[Proxima]

"The bullet is a fool! The bayonet is great!" - you can only add ... What was the "fault" of the bullet in front of Alexander Vasilyevich? A bullet is a symbol of trench warfare, a bayonet is a symbol of mobile, mobile warfare. In order for the commander to fully reveal his talent, he needs to fight mobile, that is, maneuvering. You can also say that Suvorov took advantage of the Russian soldier in hand-to-hand combat, which he inherited, perhaps genetically, and this once again emphasizes the courage of the Russian soldier. It is not surprising that he often said: "THE MIRACLE OF THE BOGATYR" !!!

[Pancho]

Quote: Proxima

Suvorov took advantage of the Russian soldier in hand-to-hand combat

Let me remind you of our famous actor Smirnov Alexei Makarovich, who received one of his orders of Glory, including for hand-to-hand combat, in which he captured 7 Germans! I won’t know how he did it, here were the titans!

[Captain45]

Quote: Hammer

"The bullet is a fool! The bayonet is great!" (A.V.Suvorov)
Do not add, do not turn down ...

Completely the saying sounds like this: "Shoot rarely, but accurately. With a bayonet, if it is hard. A bullet to cheat, a bayonet does not cheat. A bullet is a fool, a bayonet is a good fellow" (c) A.V. Suvorov "Science to win" I read somewhere that The basis of physical training and hand-to-hand combat in the American army was put by Russian immigrant officers after the revolution and the civil war. I don't know how accurate this is.

[Russian063]

Absolutely accurate data. Emigrant officers and posed. I used to have a good relationship with America. friendly

[Predator]

But the veterans said, "in hand-to-hand combat, those who did not shoot each other when approaching converge."
But A.V.Suvorov is a different era, it’s good for those times, at the present stage of development of small arms there is no longer. In WWII there was no such saturation of troops with automatic weapons.

[Stirbjorn]

By the way, a sapper blade sharpened on both sides was the main weapon of hand-to-hand combat even in trench battles of the First World War. With the development of automatic weapons, the bayonet goes in the past

[shasherin_pavel]

By the way, in World War II, there was an article on the cancellation of artillery banniks 'It fell into disrepair after hand-made' and this article did not appear in World War II, since banniks were the main weapon in battles with enemy infantry long before World War II.

[Stirbjorn]

The question is what kind of Patriotic?) I read how Rayevsky's gunners fought back against the French in banns, near Borodino, protecting their battery

[svp67]

Quote: Stirbjorn

With the development of automatic weapons, the bayonet goes in the past

No, he just took his rightful place - he became "the weapon of the moment of judgment"

[candy wrapper13]

I remind you that at the end of April Chechen special forcesWhich represented Russia at the annual special forces tournament held for the prizes of the king of Jordan, took first place.
The soldiers had to overcome a distance of 150 meters with obstacles, shoot from a machine gun at emerging targets. In addition, the program planned to include high-speed climb to the eighth floor and shooting at an angle of 45-60 degrees, the assault of the building with live shooting and the assault of the aircraft with firing of marker ammunition.
Fighters of the Chechen special forces will now be able to pass on their knowledge to the younger generation. After the training course, they received certificates of trainers.

[shasherin_pavel]

I also disagree with you, but in other armies they also taught how to use a bayonet. But what to teach and how to teach: Georgy Konstantinovich Zhukov in 1847 showed the techniques of Russian bayonet fighting to foreign generals, such were struck first of all that the infantryman's left hand left with the forearm, during the strike, to the trigger guard, which increased the length of the strike, giving the Russian infantryman has an advantage in range. This is how the British and American generals fought the entire Second World War, but they did not think of such a trifle. The Russian bayonet strike frightened the West so much that one of the most important conditions for the USSR joining the Olympic Committee was the refusal in the USSR of such an applied sport as 'Fencing with bayonets', with some types of attacks the enemy's rifle not only fought back, but flew away three four meters to the side, while the greatest score was given if the enemy rifle flew behind the back of the Russian soldier and became inaccessible to the enemy.By the way, look at the status of assignment in the Wehrmacht of the signs 'Participant of a bayonet battle on the Eastern Front', bronze was given for the fact that the company commander shot his pistol clip By the way, this is still the main criterion of Western countries for understanding hand-to-hand combat. The Ukrainian flag, since Crimea has the Internet "Ukraine", I am writing from Alushta.

[Kazakh]

Quote: shasherin_pavel

. Ukrainian flag since Crimea has the Internet "Ukraine", I am writing from Alushta.

And I have Romanian since I came from the district to Barnaul

[abrakadabre]

But what to teach and how to teach: Georgy Konstantinovich Zhukov in 1847 year showed the techniques of Russian bayonet fighting to foreign generals

It is believed that you were sealed.

[Captain45]

Quote: shasherin_pavel

Georgy Konstantinovich Zhukov in the 1847 year showed the methods of Russian bayonet fighting to foreign generals, they were primarily struck by the fact that the infantryman’s left hand went with the forearm, during the strike, to the trigger guard, which increased the length of the strike, giving the Russian infantryman an advantage in range.

At the beginning of the 90's, I had to talk closely with one person from the 9 of the KGB, so he told the story that when he was studying at the KGB HSE, a closed championship was held in Belarus and many people were invited to it, including two old emigrants from number of officers-noblemen. One, almost from the family of the Golitsyn princes, who at that time was already a grandfather for 80, received soldier George in the PMV for having pierced a dozen Austrians with melee bayonet 2. And this comrade says that the grandfather is old, and he took a three-line with a bayonet and showed something else, but a swarm of an old man from Kuban plastuns waved his sabers from two hands as young. Here's the story. For what I bought, for that I sell.

[Rus2012]

Quote: svp67

The ability of the Red Army to go in bayonet attacks was not a special secret, since this technique was well developed even in the imperial Russian army and the Germans knew about it.

... for example, the fact that most of the Russian soldiers were from villages and villages, where the ability to handle the pitchfork very quickly made it possible to master bayonet fighting skills, was of no small importance. After all, tricks for working with forks are comparable to actions with a bayonet and a lance. And it was in the blood of the Russians.
And the physical condition of the workers and peasants, of whom there were 80-90 percent in the ranks of the Red Army, who had been engaged in physical labor since childhood, was magnificent!

[RUSS]

Quote: svp67

in bayonet attacks was not a special secret, since this technique was perfectly developed even in the imperial Russian army

[Alekseev]

Quote: svp67

I do not agree with the author. The ability of the Red Army to go in bayonet attacks was not a special secret

Yes sir!
Like the fact that the slogan of A.V. Suvorov "A bullet is a fool! A bayonet is a fine fellow!" during the Second World War, it has somewhat lost its relevance.
As for hand-to-hand combat, it seems to me that the necessary minimum for the soldier was given at the NFP.
The disadvantage was (I don’t know exactly how it is now) that the troops did not pay enough attention to the practical development of this element.
And this is necessary, albeit not so relevant in modern combat, but in the matter of educating a w / c personality it is necessary.

[Mikhail3]

And the fact that our fighters turned out to be better prepared is such a HUGE merit of the state,

And sorry and funny. You read the description, I hope? What incredible techniques did our soldiers have? A tiny piece of spear technique consisting of three moves - superior training? Yes, you can't teach more, and it turned out to be unnecessary ... but what about this "preparation"? What are these "elements"?
The merit of the Soviet state in the steadfastness of our fighters in hand-to-hand combat is vanishingly small. Because, you see, war is not a movie or a Chinese fairy tale about the Invincible Master Owning a Secret RECEPTION.
Hand-to-hand combat in a real battle is fleeting, does not shine with receptions, and the winner is one who violently goes forward, using absolutely all the capabilities of his body to achieve the highest speed and power of impact. There is simply no place for any secret techniques and covert preparations. Simply put, in hand-to-hand combat the one whose moral-volitional qualities are higher wins. Who is stronger in spirit, that's all.
As soon as trouble came to our house, a real War broke out, filthy tales about the "Soviet man" were instantly shoved where they belong. The state began, with a heart-rending cry, to call the Russians on the battlefield. Anyone can easily check this by using propaganda materials, articles, speeches ... the state bashfully hid its almost thirty years of "socialist construction" away, and turned to Eternal Russia for help. As she admitted, all these antics and jumps are shameful delirium.
Hand-to-hand combat was not won by the USSR. He won the Russian wall battle! Fighting fun, in which there is no place for ingenious tricks, but you need to show will, mutual assistance, stamina, strength, battle fraternity ... Eh ...

[4thParasinok]

Quote: Mikhail3

And sorry and funny. You read the description, I hope? What incredible techniques did our soldiers have? A tiny piece of spear technique consisting of three moves - superior training? Yes, you can't teach more, and it turned out to be unnecessary ... but what about this "preparation"? What are these "elements"?

this article has only three tricks, and not really much more, there were several types of butt blows only.
No need to judge the discipline of martial arts by a small amateur article.

[4thParasinok]

Quote: svp67

The ability of the Red Army to go in bayonet attacks was not a special secret, since this technique was well developed even in the imperial Russian army and the Germans knew about it. Moreover, they themselves this type of battle was not a secret.

so he was not a secret in the English army.

Over the years of the Civil War, it was possible to accumulate a very large experience in hand-to-hand combat, and based on this experience, hand-to-hand combat in the USSR continued to develop.

Well, actually, what was there to accumulate if this experience was known even before the civil one? I remember there were even "bayonet fighting" competitions.
You (auto article) say that there was no fist fight before the revolution. What Kharlampiev invented with sambo, studying French books about judo ... not knowing French

[alleksSalut4507]

Quote: Gsxr1300rr

Gsxr1300rr June 25, 2015 08:42 ↓
Oh, they would have taught schoolchildren from the fifth to work as a sapper pad (like kendo, in defense and wooden weapons), the bayonets are no longer in fashion, and the shoulder blades will always be on, so by the age of 18 they would have been wielding it with a bang. I’d run to such lessons would run, bruises are slipping))
If there are martial arts teachers, fizuhi, think this question please.

so from zeal until the 11th grade they shake .....

[qwert]

There is an old film called, if I'm not mistaken, "Submarine K-9". The film is from the late forties. So there is shown a bayonet fight. When the boatswain killed six Nazis in a matter of moments. It looks very impressive, no worse than the American and Chinese battles, but unlike the latter, one feels that these are real techniques from the practice of bayonet fighting. There is dodging a knife and ducking, from a blow with a butt and, at the same time, retaliatory strikes with a bayonet and his butt. In short, I recommend watching. And the film is good and this fight is simply mesmerizing.

[Hammer]

not a big amendment, the title of the picture "Submarine T-9".
Anyone interested can see here:
[media = http: //xitv.info/12818-podvodnaya_lodka_t_9.html]

[perm23]

Well done, our soldiers. But to shoot it was necessary to teach them well, So that from distant positions to knock out the enemy. Ato, while he reaches him, he will have time to shoot more than once.

[Mareman Vasilich]

In secret, I’ll say that everything was fine with the shooting in the Red Army. And the NKVD troops (airborne forces, border troops) with this was simply excellent.

[shasherin_pavel]

I would like to recall how they interrogated a German sniper taken prisoner, how they taught shooting, the answer is, they give ten thousand rounds and go to the firing range, the sniper is ready to fire back. True, there were specialists from nature, who were handed sniper rifles in the troops.

[abrakadabre]

Explicit crap. Ten thousand shot cartridges will not give skills in camouflage, position organization, movement, tracking the enemy, counter-sniper work. But the Germans owned it all.

[VT65]

The network has a bunch of Wehrmacht instructional films giving an idea of ​​what and how soldiers were taught. In my opinion, the films were made with high quality and performed their task.
Snipers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcDtKqk9ovQ

[candy wrapper13]

In 1932, when Osoaviahim established the rank of Voroshilov shooter, a widespread movement for mastering shooting skills unfolded. The Voroshilov Shooter badge was awarded to about 9 million people. The result of this work was a reserve of well-trained shooters.
Even before the start of the Great Patriotic War, sniper squads were included in the staff of the NKPS Protection of Communications divisions.
Actual sniper accounts are actually more than confirmed. So, Fedor Okhlopkov, according It is estimated that over a thousand Germansusing a machine gun as well. In 1943, there were more than a thousand women among Soviet snipers; during the war he counted more than 12 thousand Germans. The top ten Soviet snipers destroyed (confirmed) 4200 soldiers and officers, and the first twenty - 7400. A sniper of the 82nd Infantry Division Mikhail Lysov in October 1941 shot down a Ju-87 from an automatic rifle with a sniper scope. A sniper of the 796th Infantry Division, Sergeant Antonov Vasily Antonovich, in July 1942 near Voronezh, shot down a twin-engine Ju-88 with four shots from a rifle.

[lukke]

In secret, I’ll say that everything was fine with the shooting in the Red Army. And the NKVD troops (airborne forces, border troops) with this was simply excellent.

I’ll tell you a secret - our main losses were from the work of artillery and enemy aircraft. And in capable hands, any thing is a weapon. The whole charm of the bayonet of our trilinear (Mosinki) is its trihedral nature, the wound of which practically does not heal). Recently I came across an article how our fighter (observer) ran into a platoon of the Nazis and, not bewildered, chopped off the heads of two officers with an ax, and pounded with others with grenades, who escaped into flight. This is a classic of the genre!)

[Bugor]

The wound heals, the whole point is that there was internal bleeding, and since the bayonet, roughly speaking, was a needle, the tissues converged, and the bleeding continued.

[lukke]

The wound heals, the whole point is that there was internal bleeding

I look at you stabbed separately, bleeding separately)

Chipped wounds are inflicted with prickly weapons (bayonet, awl, needle, etc.). With a small area of ​​damage to the skin or mucous membrane, they can be of considerable depth and pose a great danger due to the possibility of damage to internal organs and the introduction of infection into them. With penetrating wounds of the chest, damage to the internal organs of the chest is possible, which leads to impaired cardiac activity, hemoptysis and bleeding through the oral and nasal cavities. Penetrating wounds of the abdomen can be damaged and without damage to internal organs: liver, stomach, intestines, kidneys, etc., with their prolapse or without prolapse from the abdominal cavity. Especially life-threatening injuries are simultaneous damage to the internal organs of the chest and abdominal cavity.
And if you still crank the bayonet ...

[Shishiga]

The opening from the trihedral bayonet is small, the edges converge quickly, the bleeding in most cases is internal. Which in most cases does not allow diagnosing the severity of a wound - in short, everyone died

[abrakadabre]

The whole charm of the bayonet of our trilinear (Mosinki) is its trihedral nature, the wound of which practically does not heal).

Nonsense. Everything heals if treated on time and damage is initially not fatal. The effectiveness of the needle bayonet in another:
- To make a thin deep puncture is physically much easier and less likely that a bone or uniform will interfere.
- much easier to pull out - the same thing, bone fragments or adjacent bones pinch such a needle less than if there was a wide blade.
- with deep puncture, extensive internal bleeding occurs. Therefore, even without large external blood loss (the edges of the wound are easily closed), the wound can be fatal.
Well, trihedral design is achieved by maintaining the stiffness of the bayonet with a lower mass of metal spent on it. There is absolutely the same effect as for sword swords with their valleys or faces.

[matross]

Guys, what are you? Russian bayonet FOUR ...

[lukke]

Sorry for the inaccuracy, to blame, I will correct!)

[kirpich]

The first Russian bayonet was trihedral

[4thParasinok]

Quote: matRoss

Guys, what are you? Russian bayonet FOUR ...

at different times there were both.

[not main]

Quote: abrakadabre

The effectiveness of the needle bayonet in another:
- To make a thin deep puncture is physically much easier and less likely that a bone or uniform will interfere.

As cadets, they conducted an experiment: They put two SCS with bayonets in the ground (sandy). So the SCS with a 4-sided bayonet went into the ground along the trunk under its own weight, but the bayonet-knife could only be driven by applying its own weight!

[abrakadabre]

What are we talking about. And this is important when you need to pierce the ribs of the enemy along with possible belts, contents of pockets, and so on.

[bistrov.]

Quote: lukke

All the charm of the bayonet of our trilinear (Mosinki) is its trihedral nature

The bayonet on the Mosin rifle is tetrahedral. The trihedral bayonets were abandoned in the 19th century.

[Gomel]

refused, yes, but rifles are still found in museums (both English and Czechoslovak and Mosin both with trihedral and tetrahedral bayonets)
something was used for civilian purposes, and something remained in the storerooms then went to the front at the hour of need

[4thParasinok]

Quote: bistrov.

The bayonet on the Mosin rifle is tetrahedral. Of the trihedral bayonets refused in the 19th century

and what, 1891 was already the twentieth? This year the three-ruler was adopted, and in the 20th century modernization took place, including the bayonet replaced.

[yastr]

A certain time ago, about 15 years old, I was digging potatoes from my grandmother in Belarus, - I dug up a trihedral bayonet from the time of the First World War ..

[Shishiga]

We are still digging near St. Petersburg trihedral - after 2 WWII

[Pal2004]

A bullet is a fool, a bayonet is well done!

[avia12005]

Answer sanctions Russian bayonet strike. And we'll see.

[Almatinets]

Bullet fool-Shtyk well done! A. Suvorov)

[parusnik]

Here you are, this article, an excellent draft of the script, for a good Russian action movie .. But our filmmakers are unlikely to use it .. And if they use it ... the snot will work out ..

[Oladushkin]

Very interesting article. Thanks to the author for the material.

[Oladushkin]

The only unfortunate thing to add is probably that many "natives of Tukhachevsky" at the beginning of the war thoughtlessly used this harsh, cruel (I mean, I don't care about the enemy) military technique. The result was, as my great-grandfather told me (through my father) -Attacked into the bayonet battalion trenches of the enemy. While they reached the enemy's trenches, an order was received: “back!” On their return, they made a roll call — out of three companies, two remained. And in fact, the attack was not even carried out. And what are these officers called?

[Gsxr1300rr]

Oh, they would have taught schoolchildren from the fifth to work as a sapper pad (like kendo, in defense and wooden weapons), the bayonets are no longer in fashion, and the shoulder blades will always be on, so by the age of 18 they would have been wielding it with a bang. I’d run to such lessons would run, bruises are slipping))
If there are martial arts teachers, fizuhi, think this question please.

[Vladimir1960]

A man who knows how to professionally work with knives is already a ready warrior.

[papont64]

Bullet fool, bayonet well done. Suvorov

[voyaka uh]

The IDF does not teach melee combat. Him and
not in service for 50 years.
Since we are strictly forbidden to fire in bursts, cartridges
always stay. Shoot exactly single - don't
you will need sapper blades and bayonets.
All melee with edged weapons - when the ammo ran out
at a crucial moment.

[Bombardier]

plus, you can’t bring it to the bayonet - this is the last argument of the fighter, where he no longer thinks how to accomplish the task, but thinks how to survive in the meat grinder .. And to the commander who allowed hand-to-hand combat - there are many questions about his suitability ..
But to prepare fighters, especially in peacetime, when there is such an opportunity, it is imperative! There is a set of not tricky, but useful tricks in our army that are very effective (from experience)!

[abrakadabre]

plus, you can’t bring to a bayonet - this is the last argument of a fighter, where he no longer thinks how to complete the task, but thinks how to survive in a meat grinder.

At this moment, he no longer thinks at all. Everything is on reflexes. For the thought is too slow. While you think, you'll be dead. Therefore, a set of proven skills is important. At the right time, they will be launched by the body, overtaking the mind.
So it turns out, despite the fact that this type of battle is very rare in modern practice, and yes, this is the last argument, the fighter must be ready for it both in body and psychologically.
And such a training is useful in any case - muscle training, mental training. Even if you do not have to apply in battle once in a lifetime.

[shasherin_pavel]

Can't be brought to bayonet? That means you are advancing, you are approaching the throw of a grenade, you stop and shout: "Why are you absolutely bad? I don't see I'm advancing! Come on, retreat sooner, tomorrow you will start advancing, we will return everything to you ..."

[Terrible ensign]

When you prepare fighters, the main emphasis is on fire training. I had to meet to talk with the guys from the Golani brigade.

[THE_SEAL]

Quote: voyaka uh

The IDF does not teach melee combat. Him and
not in service for 50 years.
Since we are strictly forbidden to fire in bursts, cartridges
always stay. Shoot exactly single - don't
you will need sapper blades and bayonets.
All melee with edged weapons - when the ammo ran out
at a crucial moment.

But the enemy can go sharply on rapprochement. When fighting in the city for example. And ammo can end. Dzahal looks good fighting with the Arabs. But what would happen if he faced a professional army? Russian or the Bundeswehr, for example. Russians and Germans are excellent warriors from time immemorial. And single shooting definitely will not help Tsahalu.

[THE_SEAL]

I remembered the story about our fighter pilot Lehu of the Soviet Air Force. We practiced a training battle with the Israeli Air Force. And our Israeli outplayed in technology and level of training. To which our Lyokha could not endure and led the plane into the air. The Israeli pilot turned away. Later it became known already at the airport that the Israeli pilot literally did in his pants.

[creak]

Quote: THE_SEAL

I remembered the story about our fighter pilot Lehu of the Soviet Air Force. We practiced a training battle with the Israeli Air Force.

But from this place in more detail, please - when did our pilots practice training exercises with the Israeli Air Force? There is specific evidence about when and where these fights were held and who was this pilot with the yard nickname Lech? We wait, sir ... As a participant in the hostilities in the Middle East, I would like to get acquainted with such interesting facts ...
PSA the fact that the Israeli pilot did the trousers was later probably set by our agents ...

[snc]

There have never been such joint exercises.

[creak]

Quote: snc

There have never been such joint exercises.

Yes, I know this - I was there ... I was just curious to shut up this lover of fables or will continue to lay out all the nonsense.

[candy wrapper13]

* IN THE IDF do not teach melee combat. Him and
not in service for 50 years. * -Oh well -Israeli experience in training special forces soldiers recognized as a model for foreign armies around the world -Ka.P.A.P. - Krav Panim Al Panim, which literally translates from Hebrew as “face-to-face combat”. This is a combat system composed of several classic, modern and ancient types of wrestling, such as boxing, judo, ju-jutsu, karate, knife fight rifle-tactical training with a pistol and rifle, with a special emphasis on the battle against these weapons in hand-to-hand and armed confrontation.KAPAP fighter is not a martial artistHe is a warrior in the full sense of the word. He is ready for any attack with any weapon. He knows how to defend himself, his environment against any form of attack. If needed, he will use a wide range of cold and gunshot weapons, and will do it with high skill
Kapap instructors usually refrain from talking to reporters
Today, KAPAP instructors teach in various units of A.O.I. (Israel Defense Forces), in security services, such as Sha.Ba.K., Ya.Ma.M., as well as in other elite units.
The term kapap can be used by people who have completed a special course at the international kapap federation and have received permission to teach. Priority is vested in the president of the international kapap federation, Chaim Peer. This federation is not numerous. Its members are carefully selected. Today it is a group of 14 people, and all of them are highly qualified specialists who have served in army combat units and special forces, seriously engaged in various martial arts. Permission to teach kapap requires skills in working with a pistol, baton and knife. You also need to be a shooting instructor, Certified by NRA (National Rifle Association) standards.

[voyaka uh]

for candy wrapper13:
And I was taught this ... garbage (I do not want to offend the coaches - they were
cool, but ... the movie is all this, the movie)
I have never heard that any of the soldiers ever used this "Krav Maga"
in a combat situation. Maybe only our "Magav" (like, riot police) during
riot acceleration time?
You need to learn to shoot, carefully and, most importantly, to save ammo.

[erg]

For more than twenty years now I have been serving in the police (previously in the police), since the beginning of the 90s. For all this time, I have never had to even get out of the service weapon (PM) from the cabaret in the service. Although he spent the entire service on the ground, and not in the offices. Does this mean that the policeman does not need shooting training? Maybe I was in vain attending shooting classes?

[max702]

If the IDF had fought not with the Arabs, but let’s say with the Germans, then they would have needed bayonets and blades .. But the cartridges are running out, logistics in different countries is also different, especially in distances.

[Assistant]

The IDF does not teach melee combat. Him and
not in service for 50 years.

Yeah, and that's why a slightly lightened and softened version of the American style of explosive strikes technology, developed exclusively for combat use, called "Kravt-Maga" has become almost all-Israeli folk fun.

[Terrible ensign]

Good article. Thanks to the author. The comrade has a manual of the Red Army for the 1937 SAKONB. Surely there is the same publication on bayonet combat. It would be interesting to read (and work out the same way) ...
Some photos - May of this year:

[Captain45]

Quote: Scary ensign

Surely there is the same publication on bayonet combat. It would be interesting to read (and work out the same way) ...

Try to find the book "Close Combat" by NN Simkin, the 1944 edition of "Physical Culture and Sports", it is very interesting, there is knife and bayonet fighting.

[erased]

Close combat, which is often confused with hand-to-hand combat, involves the use of firearms and melee weapons, trench tools, improvised means and physical strength. It is conducted at a distance of up to 3 meters in order to destroy the enemy, in special cases - for his capture. It can take place in any conditions, against one or more opponents.
Melee can be divided into:
- fire contact,
- bayonet battle,
- knife fight,
- battle using items,
- battle without weapons.
In a real battle, all this can happen simultaneously or in stages, depending on the situation.

Pure hand-to-hand combat is essentially an ordinary mahach, a fight, without weapons, even without the task of destroying the enemy.
In the USSR, close combat was cultivated and developed as part of pre-conscription preparation for service, as well as in the army as physical training. Moreover, the level of skill was very high, as there was good teaching material and excellently trained instructors.
In Russia, it was the bayonet battle that arose on the initiative of Peter the Great, which forced captured Swedish officers and soldiers to train our soldiers for him. In addition, the bayonet battle was also from the old days - the use of spears and streets in battles.

At the present stage, close combat is used as measures to enhance the physical fitness of soldiers, improve their training and moral-volitional qualities. And although the likelihood of such a battle is now low, but you can’t refuse it.

[shasherin_pavel]

Something does not stick together here ... Peter recruited his troops from the archers, we must remember that the first rebellion against Peter was suppressed by the archers themselves, 'Morning of the Streltsy Execution' shows the execution of the archers who refused to fight near Azov and deserted from the front, only about two thousand people , at the same time, those who did not reach the age of twenty-five were released due to their minority. And the archers of that time fired using reeds, shortened axes, intended for hand-to-hand combat, for rifles as a support. If only Peter wanted to show the soldiers the techniques used in the Swedish army, but not how to teach bayonet fighting.

[Kaiten]

Quote: shasherin_pavel

Peter recruited his troops from archers

recruits. Strelets army was disbanded

[erg]

Not dissolved. Archery regiments for quite some time existed in the garrisons. The fact is that the Streltsy army, as such, did not exist. There were shelves housed in various cities (most of all it was in Moscow) .In fact, the archers were an estate, like the Cossacks. So-called service employees. That is, certain to the service, for which she became a lifetime. And their children were intended for service, though not necessarily archers, for example artisans in the state. service. In general, archers have stood out from the urban estate of gunsmiths. Previously, those who created weapons used it. So first pishchiks appeared, and then divided into gunners and archers. But they were organized on an estate basis. Which is a distinctive feature of the device service. By the time of the reign of Peter, there were already soldier regiments organized in a new way. A distinctive feature was the conscription service (recruits were recruited, although not regularly, but by necessity), the class composition, a clear structure and organization, etc., which were later called the regular army. Peter relied on such an organization of the army, abandoning the service of the device (except for the Cossacks and other irregular units, hussars for example). Some of the archers were transferred to the new army (usually, on the contrary to Peter, soldiers were transferred to archers), part lived out their lives in distant garrisons until they were finally abandoned.

[abrakadabre]

Previously, those who created weapons used it.

What an interesting statement! This is a new word in historical science. So every count, baron, king, khans forged all kinds of armor for themselves. Here zhezh masters were jack of all trades. After all, they had the best armor and weapons. All silver, gold and patterned engraving is covered ...

[erg]

My comment is only about firearms and applies only to Russia. The Russian aristocracy at the dawn of the appearance of firearms (squeaked - at first the common name of any gunshot in Russia) considered it a weapon of the lower class. And since it was made by gunsmiths, it was in their lot to use it during the war. They laid the foundation for the estate (urban) pishchikov, and then gunners and archers. Sorry that I didn’t specify immediately in the comment, I thought you would guess for yourself. And I wouldn’t scoff at masters from the aristocracy. Royal monks who own any craft were not uncommon. Our Peter is not the only one here (although, apparently, he surpassed everyone in quantity). Blacksmithing was also in their honor. I don’t remember exactly, but it seems the French Carl, one of the culprits of the Bartholomew’s night, loved to forge weapons for hunting on his own.

[Shishiga]

Something here does not stick together ... Peter was recruiting his troops from archers

Everything sticks together if books are read.
The forerunner of the Russian guard was the amusing troops of Peter I, trained in the "foreign system." The first Russian guardsman is considered to be Sergey Leontyevich Bukhvostov, the first to enroll in the amusing in 1683.

In 1692, the amusing ones were reduced to the 3rd Moscow Elective Regiment under the leadership of A. M. Golovin (already divided into two regiments: Preobrazhensky and Semenovsky). In 1700, both of these regiments became known as Life Guards.

In 1700, at the Battle of Narva, two guards regiments held back the Swedes for three hours, for which the chief officers of these regiments were awarded the insignia with the inscription: “1700, November 19”. As a sign that the guards fought knee-deep in blood, Peter I ordered that their stockings be replaced from green to red.

In the initial period of the Northern War, the guard regiments were used as the main striking force of the Russian army: during the siege of Noteburg (1702), Nyenschanz (1703), Narva (1704), and in the battles of Dobry and Lesnaya (1708). In 1701-1706, I.I. Chambers commanded the Russian guard regiments, from 1706 - Prince M.M. Golitsyn.

By decree of Peter I of August 20, 1706, the ranks of the guard were given seniority one step higher than the army; according to the Table of Ranks (1722), this difference was increased to 2 levels.

Peter I used the guard regiments as a personal guard, calling them “Tsar’s savings”, and also constantly sent out guard officers to conduct investigations into abuses, monitor legal proceedings and enforce military contracts.
During the reign of Peter I, the guard was replenished mainly by nobles; only after significant losses in the battles did they begin to allow transfers from the army and recruits.

Each nobleman who entered military service, before becoming an army officer, had to enlist as a private in one of the guards regiments and serve in this lower rank until the sovereign approved his ballot as officers, on which the production in the ranks was based at that time .

To train officers in the army cavalry regiments, the Kronshlot Dragoon Regiment was formed in 1721, which was ordered to consist of noblemen and be called life regiment. This regiment, although it served as the basis for the Life Guards Horse, but under Peter the Great did not have the rights and advantages enjoyed by the regiments of the guard.

Under Peter I, the nobles were required to serve in the guard as ordinary soldiers before receiving an officer rank. Over time, many nobles begin to massively avoid this, signing up for fictitious rank-and-file positions in childhood. In some cases, a nobleman was “recorded” as an ordinary in the guard even before his birth, when it was still unknown whether a boy or girl would be born. As early as 1744, Elizabeth indicated to paint the noblemen who had estates on the regiments of the guard from the age of 12, allowing them to stay with their parents for three years under the condition that they study at home in science and order. The memoirist Count A.F. Langeron wrote that nobles or persons who use patronage almost never served in the officer ranks: already on their birthday they were recorded as sergeants in the guard; at the age of 15-16 they are officers and live at home; if they are in St. Petersburg, they are hardly engaged in service; finally, having "reached" the captains, they resign as brigadiers or in the army as colonels. The guards regiments had from 3 to 4 thousand supercomplete sergeants who never served [2].

An important step is the Charter of the nobility of 1785, which finally secured the exclusive position of the nobility.

[Shishiga]

In Russia, it was the bayonet battle that arose on the initiative of Peter the Great, which forced captured Swedish officers and soldiers to train our soldiers for him. In addition, the bayonet battle was also from the old days - the use of spears and streets in battles.

[Terrible ensign]

Here's another. This is just a comrade who has instructions on SAKONB at his disposal. Now in the "get ready" position ...

[estixnumx]

Taught by hand-to-hand combat. After many years of practice, karate realized that he was suffering garbage. RB thing if you want to survive, and not to show off.

[Terrible ensign]

So it is ... The same thing: after three years of kyokushin and draft in the army, it became clear ...

[avt]

Quote: Scary ensign

. The same thing: after three years of kyokushin and conscription, it became clear ...

That a bullet - a fool, a bayonet - goes, but you need to shoot and kick first, because the one who hits first laughs well. It became clear to me when stupidly on the street all the equipment put in a kimono in the hall disappeared somewhere, so it was enough once to understand that if you work out, then not in the hall on mats ... miles pagdon - on tatami, but in everyday clothes and on the street , of course, not on the asphalt, so as not to be crushed and before that carefully work out the technique of falling. According to the article - it's a pity the author did not mention the fact that one of the conditions for the USSR's admission to the "Olympic family" was the cancellation of the All-Union competitions in bayonet fighting.

[AlexSK]

I do not know Fiz. Vos graduated from Kms weight-lifting and freestyle wrestling, and I have an ARB, so he didn’t interfere in the competitions on the carpet in a kimono, as well as fighting in the street, which was a witness personally and without any training outside on the street. And learning how to fall is taught from the very first days in any martial art. There are simply martial arts that are closest to street fighting, such as wrestling, boxing, hand-to-hand combat, and there are sports that, to put it mildly, raise doubts about the practical application of karate, taekwondo.

[Terrible ensign]

Command: "Short if!"
The level of injection is the face or throat. Sergey (the performer of the role of a trained fighter) threw a few punch down and to the right.

[abrakadabre]

"Who did not fight in the Russian hand-to-hand fight, he did not see a real war"

Because, probably, no other type of battle can be compared in the intensity of the forces and emotions of a warrior with hand-to-hand combat. With all its transience, hand-to-hand combat in seconds or tens of seconds makes the combatant spend an incredible amount of all his strength. Both physical and emotional. At such moments, the body removes all possible physiological restrictions on the issuance of body reserves. Even to the detriment of subsequent health. Because the bet is to survive.
It is not surprising that, having survived such a duel, an untrained person sometimes falls into prostration for some time from almost instant exhaustion.
And if there are a lot of such fights in a row ...

Incidentally, this is a very unrevealed topic in the study of the military history of mankind. For most of their history, people fought hand to hand, face to face. Can you imagine what kind of psyche a warrior-veteran had after many years of such fights? After many mass battles in which he flashed the enemy at arm's length, they tried to flush him and around him many thousands of people did the same. And interspersed with the living, there were dying, pieces of bodies beating in convulsions of agony, blood and much more, not at all charming.

[Alex Danilov]

Quote: parusnik

Here you are, this article, an excellent draft of the script, for a good Russian action movie .. But our filmmakers are unlikely to use it .. And if they use it ... the snot will work out ..

That's for sure. How many good, excellent militants can be removed. And about the war. From the old, ancient times heroes to firearms with elements of hand-to-hand combat. And about the Crimean Khanate and about the ice battle, the First World, the Second World, Chechen. It’s just plausible to take off, as it was, and it will turn out to be such an excellent action movie. With all the horrors of war. The main thing is to remove it believable. Our Russian soldier will not offend a child!
Ato, you know, is already sick of these patina, brave Yankee cowboys. I know that Russian is only the best!
Ato you watch this American film "28 weeks later" and do not understand, well, why the hell, why the hell our good action movie isn’t filming? The material, as they say, don’t give a damn ... Taras Bulba, nothing.

[abrakadabre]

The main thing is to make it plausible. Our Russian soldier will not offend a child!

If you shoot as credibly as possible, then half of the audience will begin to puke and faint right away in the cinema. Especially if you show a massive pre-horror massacre.
In addition, the spectacle of a real battle of the pre-powder era is falling, because there could not be any main characters without helmets or with open visors. There were no morons at that time, for the sake of recognition, to run without protection. For example, in a Rus-Steppe battle situation, both sides would look quite similar in clothing, weapons and armor. So much so that it would be difficult for the viewer to understand who is who.

[Alex Danilov]

So what? You need to remove it as it is, with a note-action movie, do not watch the children until so much. It infuriates me, well, anyway, all the same we are watching these American action movies. So what the hell is it, do not remove ours ??? ?????? Fortunately, plenty of material.


b-as it is. With all the horrors, with all the emotions, overcoming oneself, human psychology. And our fighting, psychological qualities. Thanks to which, we close in the head and we win.
And Russian soldiers have always been famous. This is evidenced by the monument to the Russian soldier who saved a German girl and an excerpt of how a Russian girl kissed a Russian in the Crimea from the film: "Crimea, Homecoming" - by the way, a good film. I liked two moments especially - how ours drove up in KAMAZ trucks and began to climb out about the soldier and the girl.

[abrakadabre]

I agree here. In any case, there will be some conventionality of cinematography. But here correctly placed educational accents and a strict dosage of the real horrors of the war according to the timing of the film will help the viewer cope with difficult naturalistic scenes, and gain knowledge of history, and everything else.

And our fighting, psychological qualities. Thanks to which, we close in the head and we are good, we win

And the main thing is that after the victory (precisely in the personal plan), the person, our person, also unlocks in the head and remains a person, and not a beast who has made a mistake.

[Monster_Fat]

The Germans were most afraid of bayonet and hand-to-hand combat with sailors. The fact is that in the 30s sailors, regardless of their position and place of service on the ship, were considered a potential "landing" force, that is, part of the crew was even intended to participate in the landing or to support the landing directly on the shore. All this was included and noted in the charter. Therefore, great attention was paid to hand-to-hand combat and fire training in the fleet - several hours a week were allocated and, if they were at the base, then with the obligatory departure once a week to the training ground. But that's not all. Bayonet fighting of sailors, in addition to the modern techniques at that time, also included the techniques of the "old" bayonet fighting, that is, the bayonet injection was not carried out straightforwardly, as usual, and the rifle was intercepted and the injection was carried out from top to bottom in the stomach, then the rifle was lowered into this time the bayonet turned over all the insides of the enemy, and the bayonet was pulled out of the body. After such a blow, the enemy lost consciousness instantly from a painful shock and could no longer respond to the attack. After a bayonet attack, sailors usually did not remain wounded and the Germans knew this. In addition, taking into account that the sailors took, then, strong and strong guys, one can imagine what happened to the Germans if they fell under the bayonet attack of the sailors. Therefore, the captured sailors, if there were any, but I must say that there were practically none of them, only wounded and lost the ability to wield weapons, the Germans were shot on the spot.

[shasherin_pavel]

The attack of the sailors is terrible in their coherence. The fact is that on a ship the panic of one of the sailors, in a critical situation, is the death of the whole ship, and the sailors are taught coherence and this is already under the crust, from the ship there is only one way out to the sea, so die but do it. Our veteran described the same coherence of the sailors to Krigmarine: even he took a quick look at how they stepped forward, but then they perked up and pressed on the first number ... You won’t sit in the pit in the sea. But despite the coherence of actions, they lost to the nines

[Alex Danilov]

Quote: abrakadabre

I agree here. In any case, there will be some conventionality of cinematography. But here correctly placed educational accents and a strict dosage of the real horrors of the war according to the timing of the film will help the viewer cope with difficult naturalistic scenes, and gain knowledge of history, and everything else.

And our fighting, psychological qualities. Thanks to which, we close in the head and we are good, we win

And the main thing is that after the victory (precisely in the personal plan), the person, our person, also unlocks in the head and remains a person, and not a beast who has made a mistake.

I want to clarify, with all those psychological emotions — which, if not defeated — the person becomes terrible. It’s easier, with all the horrors of war. And our fighters, soldiers, we must pay tribute — they psychologically forged perfectly. So that we could remain human and win. conquer the whole world. Well, and the one who comes to us with anything, we will answer him like that. Fiercely, very cruel. Hell will be in our hands.

[abrakadabre]

At school, the whole class was taken to the premiere of "Come and See". The film was very difficult for us children. But no one got off the rails. And around the adults did not lament about protecting the delicate child's psyche ...
Not like now.

[caliber_12x76]

Another opinion was read about the unconditional superiority of Soviet fighters in hand-to-hand combat.
From the memoirs of Boris Vasiliev "Extraordinary Age"
"... And I also told them that you can't keep fuses in your breast pockets, you can't drink before a fight - not a sip! - if they want to stay alive and that you can't use up the entire clip in an attack, because there won't be time to reload, and with a German in hand-to-hand combat only abnormal can go.
- This is clear! - my men gaggled. - They go, they’ve fed more than one potato since childhood.
***
“It has been established that you, senior sergeant, dissolve panic and defame the Russian soldier.”
- What mood?
“You say that a Russian soldier cannot resist the Fritz in hand-to-hand combat.”
- The Germans are taught close combat specifically. And our fighter is taught to use a bayonet ...
- Be silent! For spreading panic ... "

Although the wording "The Germans are taught close combat on purpose. And our soldier is taught to wield a bayonet ..." I honestly did not understand.

[Rash]

Quote: kalibr_12x76

Although the wording "The Germans are taught close combat on purpose. And our soldier is taught to wield a bayonet ..." I honestly did not understand.

The same eggs, only a side view.

[Kazakh]

Quote: Gsxr1300rr

Eh, they would have taught schoolchildren from the fifth to work as a sapper pad (like kendo, in defense and wooden weapons), bayonets are no longer in fashion, and shoulder blades will always be on, so by the age of 18 they would have been wielding it with a bang.

Previously, there were even all-Union competitions in fencing on carbines, but in about 56 g they were excluded as inhumane in my West again wanted to like like we weren't militarists, which at about the same time and parachute towers were removed. According to the stories, the drive was worse than bungee

[YakimovSS]

Preparing a fighter for hand-to-hand combat is a very powerful means of psychological preparation for a real confrontation. And it’s worth including it in preparation only for this reason. As a means of warfare, whether it is hand-to-hand combat or with the use of weapons is already unlikely in modern combat, if you are not a special forces soldier.

[gv2000]

Grandfather said: it was enough for the German to put an injection into the face and he would fall dead. Even if the injection did not reach the goal.

[Kombrig]

Quote: gv2000

Even if the injection did not reach the goal.

I watched once an interview with a bayonet instructor (WWII veteran), and so he said that the set of techniques with a bayonet is quite simple, the main thing is training and practice, many fighters in the first battle drove the bayonet into the enemy with such force that some even have a rifle barrel entered the body, but it was not always enough seconds to free the weapon ....
He also said that a lot of people were dying from a broken heart simply from touching the enemy’s weapons, such is the tension of the psyche during a bayonet ....

[Taoist]

I don't know how it is now, but we were also taught bayonet fighting ... By the way, the AKM with a stamped steel magazine allowed hitting not only with a bayonet and butt, but also with a magazine. Even the bundle was: Bayonet if-butt-bey-shop bey "...

[vsdvs]

I remember too. A store hit is effective in surprise. By the way, among the techniques was a blow to the face with a muzzle cut, if the bayonet did not have a knife to join.

[Shishiga]

The trunk can not be in the face, but in the stomach. And with a good mass and strength development to break through the spine.

[shasherin_pavel]

A very long time ago I read about the battle near Rivne in the forty-first, the soldier’s recollection, when advanced cars, skirting the grove collided with the German cars of the advancing Germans, from hitting the sides, some soldiers fell into the bodies of German cars, a battle began in the bodies, new cars arrived from our side and They began to press the Germans, since they couldn’t shoot through the backs of their comrades, but from the German side also came new cars with soldiers who tried to get around the battlefield across the field to go behind our soldiers, but they also encountered the Soviet Zis, the next day, a captured Wehrmacht soldier said that an infantry regiment participated in the battle. This is probably the most massive hand-to-hand fight in World War II.

[abrakadabre]

It would be interesting to read more

[123321]

Russian soldiers through the eyes of the Germans (1941):

From the book of Robert Kershaw "1941 through the eyes of the Germans."

“On the Eastern Front, I met people who can be called a special race. The very first attack turned into a battle not for life, but for death. ” / Tanker of the 12th Panzer Division Hans Becker /

“You just won’t believe this until you see it with your own eyes. The soldiers of the Red Army, even burning alive, continued to shoot from the blazing houses. " / Officer of the 7th Panzer Division /

Sevastopol “We almost did not take prisoners, because the Russians always fought to the last soldier. They did not give up. They cannot be hardened with ours ... ”/ Tanker of Army Group Center / /

“During the attack, we stumbled upon a light Russian T-26 tank, we immediately clicked it directly from the 37-graph paper. When we began to approach, a Russian leaned out of the hatch of the tower to the waist and opened fire on us with a pistol. It soon became clear that he was without legs, they were torn off when the tank was hit. And despite this, he fired at us with a pistol! ” / Gunner of anti-tank guns /

Luftwaffe “The quality level of Soviet pilots is much higher than expected ... Fierce resistance, its mass character does not correspond to our initial assumptions ... Soviet pilots are fatalists, they fight to the end without any hope of victory or even survival ..." / Major General Hoffman von Waldau /

“I have never seen anyone meaner than these Russians. Real chain dogs! You never know what to expect from them. And where do tanks and everything else come from? ” / One of the soldiers of Army Group Center /

“The behavior of the Russians even in the first battle was strikingly different from the behavior of the Poles and allies who were defeated on the Western Front. Even being in the circle of encirclement, the Russians stubbornly defended themselves. ” / General Gunther Blumentritt, Chief of Staff of the 4th Army /

Gunners “After a successful breakthrough of border defense, the 3rd battalion of the 18th infantry regiment of Army Group Center, numbering 800 people, was fired upon by a unit of 5 soldiers. “I did not expect anything like this,” Major Neuhof admitted to his battalion doctor, the battalion commander. “It is sheer suicide to attack the forces of the battalion with five fighters.”

[123321]

“My God, what did these Russians plan to do with us? It would be nice if up there at least they listened to us, otherwise we all will have to die here. ” / Corporal Fritz Siegel in his letter home from December 6 /

Erich Mende, Lieutenant-General of the 8th Silesian Infantry Division, recalls the conversation with his boss in these last minutes of peace. “My commander was two times older than me, and he already had to fight with the Russians near Narva in 1917, the Lost Tiger when he was a lieutenant. "Here, in these vast expanses, we will find our death like Napoleon," he did not hide pessimism ... Mende, remember this hour, it marks the end of the old Germany. "

“On the very first day, as soon as we went on the attack, one of ours shot himself from his own weapon. Clutching a rifle between his knees, he inserted the barrel into his mouth and pressed the trigger. So for him the war ended and all the horrors associated with it. "/ The gunner of the anti-tank gun Johann Danzer /

Entries from the diary of a German soldier who fought as part of Army Group North.

“We and other comrades hastened to see who caused us such damage, and went to the left of the column, climbing a small hill, slightly rising 100 meters from the road. On this hill there was already a group of our officers and soldiers holding their weapons ready. They all looked at something on earth that hid their figures from me. Approaching this group a little from the side, I saw a picture that haunted me then with many sleepless nights.

On the hillock was a very shallow trench, around which a few funnels were visible either from mines, or from a small-caliber gun.

Near the trench lay the flattened body of a Russian soldier, fairly sprinkled with earth - probably from nearby explosions. On the parapet was a Russian machine gun without a shield; his barrel cooling cover was wrapped tightly with dirty rags - apparently, in order to somehow delay the flow of water through the holes previously punched by bullets in it.

Near the machine gun on the right side lay a second dead Russian soldier in a dirty, bloodstained uniform. His right hand, covered with thick dust and also blood, remained on the machine gun handle. His features in bloody spots and earth were rather Slavic, I had already seen such dead faces before.

But the most striking thing about this dead man was that HE HAS NOT HAD BOTH FOOT PRACTICALLY TO THE KNEE! And the bloody stumps were tightly tightened with either ropes or belts to stop the bleeding.

[123321]

Apparently, the dead machine-gun crew was left by the Russians on this hill to delay the advance of our troops along the road, entered the battle with our next unit in front of us and was fired by artillery fire. Such suicidal behavior of already dead Russians immediately sparked a lively discussion among the comrades and officers who surrounded the trench. The officer cursed that these cattle killed at least five of his soldiers traveling in the front car and ruined the car itself. The soldiers discussed what the Russian sense was to take up defense at this high-rise, which could be circumvented from all sides and their position was not protected by anything. I was also occupied with the same thoughts, and I decided to share them with our old Hugo, who was standing right there, near the Russian trench, and silently wiped the copper mouthpiece of his smoking pipe with a piece of overcoat. Hugo always did this when he was upset or alarmed by something. Naturally, he saw and heard the same thing as me.

When I came very close to him, trying to speak like a brave soldier, I said: “That's what these Russians are, isn't it, Hugo? What could the two of them do with our battalion in this field? .. ”

And then Hugo suddenly changed for me. Suddenly, there was no trace of his calm solidity, based on his old combat experience. He was in an undertone, so that the rest would not hear, through his teeth he literally growled to me:
“?! Yes, we all put together do not cost two of these Russians! Remember, jerk! We have already lost the war in Russia! ”

I was dumbfounded by such a sudden change in my senior mentor, and he turned away from the crowd of our soldiers who surrounded the Russian trench and raised his chin silently looked at the distant Russian horizon. Then, three times, he nodded slightly to himself, as if agreeing with some of his hidden thoughts and slightly stooping, slowly went to our truck. Moving a dozen meters away from me, he turned to me and, in a calm, familiar voice, said: “Go back to the car, Walter. Let's go soon ”...

The author of the diary did not survive the war.

He left his notes with his parents during his vacation in 1942 with the words: “I know for sure that I will not return home, because the Russians have only one goal - to kill us all.”

He died in early 1943, somewhere near Stalingrad.

[Kerch]

Here is a famous video, put it here

[iouris]

Virtually nothing is said about the great athletes instructors in hand-to-hand combat.
One of these athletes was Semyon Agafonov. He studied fencing and bayonet fighting in Warsaw. Then he taught fencing in the capital, according to family legend - even to members of the royal family, had a house in Gatchina. In 1918 he was almost shot by the Reds. He was released from death row by his student. He fled to Central Asia. During the war, he taught bayonet fighting at an infantry school in Ashgabat. He died during the earthquake in 1946. In Soviet times, fencing competitions for the prize named after him were held in Ashgabat. It was a popular mass military-applied sport, which played a key role in preparing the people for war. The Russian school of hand-to-hand combat is forgotten. Without serious historical research, it cannot be revived.
Football with foreign coaches and legionnaires, in which we will always be beaten, is no longer a sport, but a spectacle.

[Assistant]

The Russian school of hand-to-hand combat is forgotten.

Yes, she is not forgotten. Just deeply hidden. But it’s a pity, of course, that most do not know about her.

[Balagan]

And what about regular army hand-to-hand combat competitions? Nothing is forgotten. There are several competitions a year.

[NewDoctor]

Thanks for the interesting article.

[tundra]

The enemy knew a lot that day
What does Russian battle mean?
Our hand-to-hand combat.
I always admired the Russian miracle by the suitcases of Suvorov,
and not only.
This is what it was necessary to have physical and psychological training
And after the battle, no tantrums
Damn at the present time, it is a solid special forces.
Yes there were people
б
Wealthers are not us.

[tundra]

And I’ve always been kidding about my grandmother
Looking at the photo where her father holds his hands on the hilt hilt
I asked why your father my great-grandfather checker then
With these hands, he will tear the British flag without any enemy weapons.

[Kerch]

A significant contribution to the introduction of freestyle wrestling and hand-to-hand combat in the army was made by two students of Vasily Oshchepkov. This is Nikolai Mikhailovich Galkovsky and Boris Arkadievich Saghatelyan. The first developed the NPRB-38 system (Manual on the preparation for hand-to-hand combat), and the second published a manual entitled "Techniques for unarmed combat with the armed" (disarming an attacker with a revolver, rifle, dagger). It is clear that these manuals taught the soldier not only to beat and throw the opponent, but also to use improvised means: a rifle, helmet, knife, sapper shovel. There were no rules, for example, infringement of the ankle was accompanied by a knee blow in the groin. In addition, in these manuals, special attention was paid to the physical training of fighters. Stamina exercises were mandatory, in between fights it was necessary to do physical exercises. The endurance and strength of sambo wrestlers played an important role in the battle. Nikolai Galkovsky recalled that at the front his strength had helped him more than once. He was the head of the ambulance train, almost the only man in the women's team. In critical situations, he alone loaded dozens of wounded into a train. Sambo pioneer in Ukraine Roman Aleksandrovich Shkolnikov assured that the Germans had incredible difficulties with him and his students in the battles near Kiev. In an interview, Shkolnikov said that his ward, sambo wrestler Ivan Mikhailov, scared the Germans so much that they shouted: “Gross Ivan! Gross Ivan! " (big Ivan). In general, athletes at the front were easier. The great boxer Nikolai Korolev confirmed that sports training helped him to get out of many troubles where a simple person could not cope. Korolev, for example, twice carried the Hero of the Soviet Union, Colonel D.N. from the battlefield Medvedev.
USSR Master of Sports in Sambo Leonid Golev at the front received the title Hero of the Soviet Union. Golev was the gunner of the 45-mm gun anti-tank battery. When crossing the Dnieper, the commander of his crew was killed. Golev took command of the calculation for himself, and under his leadership an enemy attack was repelled. After that, he destroyed 5 tanks, 1 self-propelled guns Ferdinand, 3 machine gun firing points and about 50 enemy soldiers and officers. In this battle, Golev was seriously wounded and unconsciously sent to the hospital, where he was awarded an honorary award. In the Perm region, they remember and honor their hero. In Perm, a street in the Dzerzhinsky district was named after him, and an all-Russian sambo tournament is held in memory of him. The master of sports of the USSR Igor Danilin was not only a pioneer of sambo and judo in the Kursk region, but also awarded the Order of Glory. Danilin was a scout, in a presentation for the award it was written: “in a hand-to-hand fight, he destroyed three German scouts who were in the forefront, he was helped by his mastery of self-defense methods without weapons (sambo)”. For Danilin, the war ended in 1944, in Romania, after a third wound. He is remembered in Kursk, and in the 80s sambo tournaments were even held in his memory. Unfortunately, now they are not there, but maybe someone from Kursk will read this material and resume this tradition. It is also worth noting Ivan Gladkov and Ivan Vasiliev, who taught hand-to-hand combat paratroopers. Vasiliev in 1943 issued a hand-to-hand combat manual, which was sold in mass circulation.

Source: http://www.bloodandsweat.ru/2015/05/ne-zastrelim-tak-zabem-kak-rukopashnyj-boj-i
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[Cornet77]

How to repulse the famous Russian bayonets, the Nazis showed clearly back in the 41st. Those who survived after these meat grinders fought in a completely different way. Of course, our Russian soldier in terms of his APRIORI qualities is better than any foreign, but Suvorov's principle of tactics "a bullet is a fool - bayonet well done! " suitable for the 18th century. It became obsolete already in the 19th, in the era of Napoleonic troops, when new tactics came into use. principles - concentration of artillery in the main direction, superiority of shooting over a bayonet, and most importantly - deep columns-tanks in close formation and loose (open) chain of shooters. It is a pity that in our country in the 20th century, many continued to fight according to the Suvorov principle of the 18th century.

[Captain45]

Quote: Cornet77

Suvorov's principle of tactics "bullet stupid-bayonet fellow!" fit for the 18th century

In my opinion, 8 is a repetition in the comments of this castrated dictum of A.V. Suvorov. If you bring, then bring in completely, and if you do not know in full, then do not repeat.

[dudinets]

bayonet training develops the most important quality of a Russian soldier - the desire for close combat, the ability to overcome fear from the sight of an enemy soldier.

[pRofF]

Very interesting and informative. Thank. Tell me, will there be some development of this article in the issue of hand-to-hand combat with the use of a small demining shovel - is its use after the war and in parts of the special purpose at the present time?

[Cigarsmoker]

Quote: lukke

All the charm of the bayonet of our trilinear (Mosinki) is its trihedral nature, the wound of which practically does not heal)

Yes, how much can you? He is tetrahedral! Well, look at least in the picture carefully. And in my opinion, it’s not very important for a soldier walking with a rifle at hand in hand-to-hand combat whether the wound will heal later on the enemy, the main thing is to quickly and efficiently inflict this wound.

[4thParasinok]

Quote: CigarSmoker

Yes, how much can you? He is tetrahedral!

Yes, how many can be repeated, it is trihedral, trihedral. It was then that before the first world bayonet they made four facets, but for a long time to release both of them.

[Cat man null]

Quote: 4-th Paradise

Yes, how many can be repeated ...

That's it .. as much as you can .. okay ..

Bayonet of the 1891 model of the year to the Mosin rifle.

The bayonet was manufactured until the year 1930, when it adopted the modernized version of the 1891 / 30 model.

Needle-type blade, straight, tetrahedral, with dales in all faces. The blade tip is cut off in the form of a screwdriver. The neck is short, tetrahedral. A tube without a carton, with a two-cranked slot going from top to left and a clamp in the middle. The rear end of the tube is thickened.

The bayonets of different manufacturers differ in some details. The most noticeable difference may be the length of the middle part of the slot in the tube, which determines the angle of rotation of the bayonet when abutting (30, 60, 90 degrees).

Overall length: 500 mm
Blade Length: 430 mm
Blade Width: 17.7 mm
Tube Length: 71.3 mm
Tube inner diameter: 15 mm

Bayonet with Panshin namushnik to Mosin rifle

The bayonet was developed by designers Kabakov and Komaritsky as a replacement for the bayonet of the 1891 model of the year, from which it differed by a fastening system with a button, not a clamp. In addition, the bayonet was equipped with a cylindrical cap of the Panshin system, which protected the rifle front from damage and displacement.

Needle-type blade, straight, tetrahedral, with dales in all faces. The blade tip is cut off in the form of a screwdriver. Tube with L-shaped slot going from top to left. The rear end of the tube is thickened. The neck is short, tetrahedral. A spring latch is mounted at the base of the blade, fixing the bayonet when adjoining the base of the front sight.

Overall length: 500 mm
Blade Length: 430 mm
Blade Width: 17.7 mm
Tube Length: 71.3 mm
Tube inner diameter: 15 mm

You yourself saw a trihedral bayonet when a thread? In the hands of holding? I - no, but I saw tetrahedral .. a lot

[saygon66]

- Bayonet fighting is taught in many armies of the world, more often as military sports discipline ... Or is it the subject of reconstruction ... however, you can compare the execution of techniques ...

[saygon66]

Something the video doesn’t come out ... Well, again ...

[Banson]

According to statistics, the opponents of the Red Army decided to hand-to-hand combat only in 29% of cases, which indicates their fear of this type of battle,

Well, this is not a medieval massacre. Moreover, firearms in hand-to-hand combat were still actively used whenever possible. Even at a target distance of "0" meters.

at the same time, Red Army soldiers, on the contrary, sought to impose hand-to-hand combat.

That is unlikely. They are not. Do not shy - yes. But hardly tried to impose. Unless in case of emergency.

[james]

Y. Drunina
I've seen melee so many times
In reality. And a thousand in a dream.
Who says that the war is not scary,
He does not know anything about the war.

1943

[Alex Danilov]

Quote: erased

Close combat, which is often confused with hand-to-hand combat, involves the use of firearms and melee weapons, trench tools, improvised means and physical strength. It is conducted at a distance of up to 3 meters in order to destroy the enemy, in special cases - for his capture.
And although the likelihood of such a battle is now low, but you can’t refuse it.

I don’t agree. There is a likelihood of such a fight now. What to do when they want to take you prisoner so that they can cut off the boshka, and you have run out of ammo and all that ??? hand will fall. Although bare hands, do not give.

[Bort radist]

Author - Volkov Alexander

Good day, today we will analyze bayonet fighting as such and the justification for its use by soldiers in close combat in a modern situation. It is widely known that the bayonet has become popular since the end of the XVII century and still has not been removed from service. But before delving into this issue in more detail, let us turn to history and examine in more detail the process of the emergence of such a weapon as a bayonet.

For the first time, the bayonet was adopted by France in 1647 and was called “bayonet” according to one source, and “baguette” according to others. Then there were the Austrians in 1689, and after them the whole of Europe began to actively use the bayonet, primarily as a means of self-defense of a soldier who is armed with firearms. By the way, firearms by that time also managed to spread very quickly, which gave rifle units the opportunity to hit the enemy at a distance without much difficulty. But the striking distance of these guns was quite small, only 100 or 150 meters.

The main headache for rifle units is reloading weapons. On average, for the best shooters, it took at least 30 seconds. During this time, the enemy, who is armed with cold pole arms, of course, overtakes the shooters and easily deals with them.

That is why the bayonet comes into service to help the shooters to conduct close combat. It also made it possible to repel cavalry attacks.

But the bayonet, or bayonet mount, didn’t fit on the barrel of the gun, as is done now, but, at first, it was inserted directly into the hole of the barrel, which was not entirely convenient, as it deprived the infantry units of mobility. It was long enough to wear and remove the bayonet, which did not allow the shooters to switch between close and long-range combat according to the situation. In addition, the bayonet still had quite a significant weight, which also prevented it from being cleverly removed and thrown back.

Here are some dry facts about the classification of bayonets.

According to the shape of the blade:

needle:

round,
faceted: trihedral (sometimes it is also called Russian), tetrahedral (its variant is diamond-shaped), T-shaped (with a section in the shape of the letter “T”).

blade:

bayonet, cleaver, (including Scimitar Sh.)
bayonet-knife - a flat blade of a knife type (sometimes with a sawtooth sharpening along the butt) with a handle for holding in hand, a device for adjoining weapons and a sheath; It can also be used as a saw or nippers (when connected to the sheath).

instrumental:

bayonet shovel
bayonet ramrod,
bayonet-bayonet (for example, bayonet to АВС-36),
bayonet-saw (also, can be attributed to a special kind of blade bayonet), etc.

By type of mount:

removable (removable),
non-removable (non-removable).

In Russia, by the way, bayonets were introduced in the army since 1702.

Having analyzed all this negative and positive experience, A.V. Suvorov concluded that the bayonet should be made a means of attack, and not just protection. That is, A.V. Suvorov relied on close combat, preferring to rely on the accuracy of the bayonet rather than the bullet. After all, it’s not for nothing that the phrase he said remained forever in history: “Shoot rarely, but accurately, with a bayonet if you firmly. The bullet will amuse itself, but the bayonet will not amuse itself. The bullet is a fool, and the bayonet is well done! ”

[Bort radist]

As mentioned above, the weapons used in the age of Suvorov did not allow hitting the enemy further than 100 or 150 meters. Based on these facts, Suvorov believed that the bayonet should be used as a weapon of attack, causing panic and fear in the enemy.

The training course for a bayonet battle in the Russian army was reduced to the following sections:

1) to quickly bring weapons to readiness (at the command of "for battle") with various types of movement (walking, running, jumping over obstacles);

2) pricks with a bayonet in various versions (up, down, on a lunge, etc.);

3) attacks on enemy weapons (the so-called “rebounds");

4) butt strokes.

That is, all this was given a huge amount of time, honing the movements of fighters to perfection. But this did not mean that Suvorov preferred to throw out the musket and rush under the bullets with a bayonet. Not. He also said the following: “Take care of the bullet in the muzzle: three will jump, the first stab, the second shoot, the third bayonet of Karachun!”. In his book “The Science of Winning,” the commander wrote: “To save the bullets of each shot, everyone must aim at his opponent in order to kill him ... We shoot integrally ...”

That is, Suvorov believed that the bayonet battle, combined with the mark of fire, inflicts a more devastating blow to the enemy. Using small arms, the soldiers fired, and then switched to close combat, to crush the enemy. This tactic brought glory and success to the Russian army.

In the red army, soldiers were taught: “The experience of the war showed that many fighters were killed or injured only because of the inability to use their weapons, especially the bayonet. Bayonet fighting is a decisive factor in any attack. Shooting should precede him to the last opportunity. The bayonet is the main weapon of night battle. "

Explanations were also given that the retreating enemy should be squeezed by bayonet fighting and hand grenades, and the runner should be chased by well-aimed, calm and even fire.

Moving forward through the pages of history, closer to our days, we see that everything has changed somewhat. The need and need for the use of bayonet fighting quite abruptly disappears. This is due to the modernization of small arms (namely, stores and ammunition), the mass of the army and the reduction in the life of a soldier. These factors played a decisive role, but this does not prove that bayonet fighting has become a less effective weapon against the enemy.

The Soviet years were a very militarized stage, and there was a stage when they recalled bayonet fighting again and decided to devote more time to this martial art in preparing soldiers. It was then that the founders of Sambo and Russian hand-to-hand fighting Oshchepkov and Spiridonov included it in their combat system when training soldiers.

It is believed that bayonet fighting is also a good method of physical preparation and psychological hardening. Bayonet attacks are mastered quite quickly, and on their basis further training is built on the use of any other improvised items, for example, a sapper shovel. Also on this basis, bare-handed punches work out well

[Bort radist]

Now there is much debate about the need for bayonet fighting in the army. One side argues that in connection with the modernization of weapons, the need for use, and sometimes even the possibility of conducting a bayonet battle disappears by itself.

The other side believes that, on the basis of training in bayonet fighting, laying the foundations for fighting in any situation with the enemy takes place. In addition, the option of a collision with the enemy in close combat is not excluded to this day. And since it is not excluded, then you should not forget about the bayonet battle. It is he who guarantees the key to success in close combat.

If a soldier is not ready to conduct close combat, this, unfortunately, almost always leads to death.

If we take into account the military structure of other countries, we will see that there bayonet fighting is actively studied and is an integral part of the physical training of soldiers. But there the army is mainly professional, so there is time to study this science.

Perhaps we should not forget about our great commanders, such as Suvorov, who, using a good example, proved that possession of a bayonet is the key to the success of hostilities, and also increases the survival of their soldiers, avoiding a lot of losses

[Bort radist]

What I like is the relaxedness and lack of cliches.

[Raider]

Wonderful video!!+ It is not only the skill of hand-to-hand combat that is important, but also the spiritual and psychological readiness for hand-to-hand combat, i.e. bringing elementary exercises to automatism and psychological victory over oneself. Remember yourself before the competition, adrenaline plays, fear, palms sweat, but all this passes with the first seconds. You start practicing what you can do. Imagine the fear a person experiences in front of this “meat grinder”. Before the war, various courses played an important role, where they taught how to shoot, throw, fight, etc. People were mentally prepared for this. Which, unfortunately, is not the case now, even the NVP has been abolished, under the guise of saving children from cruelty and inflicting psychological trauma, we remove them, but weren’t children children in the early centuries?? Seeing cruel wounds from cutting and piercing weapons. Then, finding themselves in difficult situations, “plywood” jocks and “computer” Rambos are lost at just a hint of forceful influence. Spirit is the most important component of any sport, and even more so, hand-to-hand combat. This is what is trained when practicing techniques, the ability to believe in oneself and spirit. And the IDF can count cartridges, why do they have a fire switch, since they shoot single shots. Having gone through so many wars and such wars where the Arab-Israeli conflicts are not worth comparison to anyone, we ourselves determine our tactics. They became too smart after conducting a couple of successful conflicts. You, with your philosophy and technique, love to brag about how successfully it has proven itself. Don’t forget our experience, our soldiers and equipment fought in the cold, in the mountains, desert, mud, etc.. You drive your Merkava in your sandbox, you fight in the heat in the heat, there are really no forests and mountains, no cities either not a lot, it’s not like that here, the enemy can “emerge” a meter away, and it’s freezing here!! suddenly grabs a weapon. True, hitting and stabbing now needs to take into account body armor.

[Bort radist]

Quote: Raider

It is not only the skill of hand-to-hand combat that is important, but also the spiritual and psychological readiness for hand-to-hand combat, i.e. bringing elementary exercises to automatism and psychological victory over oneself.

As a child, “King of the Hill” is one against everyone, and then you don’t lose your head in makhalovkas. Don’t lose your spirit and “head” is the basis of hand-to-hand combat.

[brn521]

And yet it is from poverty. A pistol is much more effective than a bayonet in close combat.

[Raider]

The reasoning of a “computer” warrior, as a soldier you at least wear what you are entitled to according to the Charter, you can take a pump-action shotgun with you, the most effective way is to hang all the ammunition and weapons on yourself and sprint for 800 meters, do a couple of push-ups, then try to aim ...and you are going to go into hand-to-hand combat like a knight. You will understand what an extra kilogram is, when you take the beret test, you think, there are weaklings standing at the end, exhausted, trying to stand on their feet when they are being beaten... These are the best of the best, and sometimes this is not the first time for some of them.

[Raider]

The reasoning of a “computer” warrior, as a soldier you at least wear what you are entitled to according to the Charter, you can take a pump-action shotgun with you, the most effective way is to hang all the ammunition and weapons on yourself and sprint for 800 meters, do a couple of push-ups, then try to aim ...and you are going to go into hand-to-hand combat like a knight. You will understand what an extra kilogram is, when you take the beret test, you think, there are weaklings standing at the end, exhausted, trying to stand on their feet when they are being beaten... These are the best of the best, and sometimes this is not the first time for some of them.

[Crimson cloud]

Comrades related to the active army, if there are any, tell us how it is now with something similar in the units? Not in the airborne forces and special forces, but in ordinary units, is there something similar, and how effective?

[Old warrior]

Now I do not know. When I served, nothing.
From my experience: a bayonet, if you have time for the butt, and then, as God bestows on your soul, you hit with whatever is at hand, if you remain alive. No matter how hand-to-hand you are, a pistol or submachine gun never hurts.

[brn521]

Quote: Raider

The reasoning of the "computer" warrior

Well then, like a real warrior, prove that you are right. Give examples of where and in what clashes the bayonet was last used and with what result? When was the last time and who had to attach a bayonet to the same SVD? Why, instead of a bayonet, is there a bayonet-knife, and even that one is more like a tool, and at the same time it’s still stupidly stupid, if from a warehouse?
The bayonet died along with the rifle. But the pistol is quite relevant and evolving. Now 1kg is both a pistol and 30 rounds of ammunition for it. And they finally started making normal holsters.

Quote: Raider

hang up all the ammunition, weapons and sprint for 800 meters, do a couple of push-ups, then try to aim..

In self-defense, you don't need to aim a pistol. The magazine capacity allows. But you have two barrels, which is much more than one. And you always have a second barrel with you, even in situations where the machine gun flew in one direction, and you flew in the other. And it’s effective right up to point-blank range, unlike rifles, machine guns and even knives, which require range. At the same time, he leaves his other hand free. Moreover, you can carry it with you when the main weapon is in the pyramid. Well, if you are a seasoned airborne soldier on an extra duty duty, then you can break a rib with a barrel or break a collarbone with a handle. And a new entertainment will be during training, doing push-ups with two pistols. Much better than with fists on gravel - they are given to a soldier primarily for shooting, there is no point in maiming them in vain. In general, I am for pistols in the army to be on par with machine guns.

[Raider]

The bayonet cannot be sharpened, for general development, and they are all dull from the factory, not from the warehouse. A knife - because it cuts wire, a bayonet - you can stab. I agree, there are no and will not be mass bayonet attacks. It’s certainly easier to shoot; hand-to-hand combat may or may not happen. But carrying 2 kg of pistols with an aiming range of 25-50 meters in the field like a cowboy in field conditions is probably better; additional ammunition on an AK is better; you won’t shoot very far in the field with a pistol. It’s a matter of chance. In storming buildings or in cramped conditions, a pistol may be necessary, but for such cases there are compact models of machine guns. I do not insist on bayonet attacks; hand-to-hand combat includes a complex of strikes with various parts of the weapon, which must be known automatically when the enemy suddenly appears. Don’t forget the sapper’s shovel, it’s practically a combat “tomahawk.” By the way, the sentry always has a bayonet attached. Why? In case of danger, he removes the machine gun from his shoulder, after the appropriate question and in case of no answer, a warning, then fires a warning shot, and then shoots to kill. Whatever happens, until the shot is fired, his only weapon is a fixed bayonet-knife, butt. I won’t lie about the cases, I wasn’t interested, but the media wrote that the 6th company of the 104th airborne division of the 76th Airborne Forces at the end fought hand-to-hand...IMHO.

[Free wind]

My grandfather was awarded a red star for hand-to-hand combat; the presentation for the award stated that he personally destroyed four Nazis. Grandpa didn’t say anything about the battles, but he always had a knife and 2 pistols, one of his TTs and a captured German one, the parabelum was not with the company commanders for long, it didn’t stay long, the senior officers asked to give them. And they went on the attack with PPSh, mostly with a round, more capacious magazine, then if they had time, they exchanged it for a horn, the drum was thrown out, then pistols were taken out. Often the machine gun was thrown away so as not to interfere. After the battle, they then collected what was thrown away, the main thing was the machine gun and the drum for it, the drum was adjusted to the machine gun, and the non-native one might not fit. A pistol was a coveted trophy for any soldier, and many commanders advised soldiers to have pistols. And for many, pistols saved lives in trench battles, in confined spaces. And by the end of the war, rifles were used much less frequently than machine guns.

[kirpich]

Quote: brn521

even in situations where the machine gun flew in one direction, and you in the other.

Do you understand that it came down to hand-to-hand combat?

[kirpich]

Quote: brn521

When was the last time and who had to attach a bayonet to the same SVD?

The SVD does not attach a bayonet (for your information) This rifle is designed for medium and long-range combat. For AK and AN assault rifles, bayonet-knives and places for attaching them to the barrel are provided.

[izGOI]

Three-line - One of the reasons for the creation of the Geneva Convention
I won’t say anything about the three-ruler itself, but its triangular bayonet is actually prohibited by this very convention.

[Ololol]

The very first SMS

[brn521]

Quote: kirpich

The bayonet is not attached to the SVD (for your information)

Contents of delivery:
- the shops;
- optical sight PSO-1M2 with spare parts;
- bayonet knife;
- belt;
- accessories for cleaning and lubrication;
- oil can.
Plus the possibility of attaching a bayonet to the barrel. Later, on the SVDS, there was no provision for mounting a bayonet.

Quote: Raider

The bayonet cannot be sharpened, for general development, and they are all dull from the factory, not from the warehouse.

Those. Is this how it is designed, a tool that looks like a dull knife? I wonder if anyone else has thought of issuing dull knives to their troops or is this purely our invention?

Quote: Raider

By the way, the sentry always has a bayonet attached. Why?...No matter what happens, before the shot, his only weapon is a fixed bayonet, butt

Those. This is such nonsense, you can’t shoot yet, but you can already stab with a bayonet? Although in general the task is clear - to scare away unarmed people, namely their own comrades, from the same weapons store. That's all. This is where the use of a standard bayonet-knife as a weapon ends.

[Bosk]

Sorry guys, but I would like to return to the topic of “AK”, then I somehow thought that this is perhaps one of the few machine guns with which you can go to the extreme and get into hand-to-hand combat and then, with no small degree of probability, fire a shot from it..., What I mean is that the same “aluminum” M-16, after a couple of hits on it... wakes you up with a metal crowbar, well, the “Belgians” are good with the only difference that, unlike the “AK”, they can be used as not weak club...

[Tanysh]

Forum members! in 1973, in the reading room, I accidentally came across a textbook on bayonet fighting. Published in 1854. I remembered him with kind words many times. And here
I couldn’t copy it, and it’s no longer in the reader. I would like to find information about this textbook - we need to raise grandchildren!

[alleksSalut4507]

Quote: abrakadabre

Add a little:

M16 - Wedges when dirty
AK47 - Works when dirty
Trehlineyka - It has not been clean since the moment of issuance to the troops in 1892

M16 - Hundreds of moving parts held together by dozens of bolts and screws
AK47 - A pair of dozens of moving parts held by a handful of rivets.
Trilinek - three moving parts, two screws.

M16 - You would rather die than decide to smash your expensive rifle in hand-to-hand combat
AK47 - your assault rifle can beat you well in hand-to-hand combat
Three-ruler - Your rifle is a cool spear with the ability to shoot

M16 - If the firing pin breaks, you send the rifle to the factory under warranty
AK47 - If the hammer breaks, you insert a new one
Three-line - If the hammer breaks, you spin it a couple of turns further into the shutter

M16 - More difficult to manufacture than many aircraft
AK47 - Used by countries that do not have money for airplanes
Three-line - Aircraft shot down from it

M16 - A plastic butt melts under a magnifying glass
AK47 - Under the magnifying glass you can see the Vietnamese mud still working instead of grease
Three-line - Under the magnifying glass you can see the impregnated tree BLOOD

Owner's favorite drink
M16 - Cognac
AK47 - Vodka
Three-line - Brake fluid drained from a frozen crowbar

M16 - Makes a small hole, everything is neat, in accordance with the Geneva Convention
AK47 - Makes a big hole, sometimes tears off limbs, does not comply with the Geneva Convention
Three-line - One of the reasons for the creation of the Geneva Convention

M16 - Perfectly shoots small rodents
AK47 - Perfectly shoots enemies
Trehlineyka - Excellent shoots light equipment

M16 - Once in a river, it stops working
AK47 - Once in the river, still shoots
Three-line - Once in a river, usually used as a paddle

M16 - Weapons for defense
AK47 - Assault Weapons
Trilinek - Victory Weapons!

M16 - The grenade launcher is heavy, but can put a grenade in the window for 200 meters
AK47 - If anything, the grenade from the grenade launcher can be thrown into the window with your hand
Three-line - Grenade out the window? Beat THROUGH the wall, the cartridge pierces almost a meter of brick

M16 - You can put a silencer, a small cartridge does not give a lot of sound
AK47 - In principle, you can put a silencer, but it’s better just to press enemies to the ground with continuous fire
Three-line - Nafig silencer, when after the first shot, everyone will deaf in any way.

brilliantly.

[alleksSalut4507]

Quote: AlexSK

which are closest to street fighting, such as wrestling, boxing, hand-to-hand combat, and there are sports that, to put it mildly, raise doubts about the practical application such as karate, taekwondo.

from the age of 9 there was physical training, skiing, skating, boxing (sports), i.e. rhythm of movements, simple good trainers, from the age of 14 I practiced the kinematics of strikes using a samizdat reprint of the Fudokan school (there was a period of karate ban) and taught physics at school, hitting I don’t like it when they force me - I haven’t seen any problems (karate-do, taekwon-do, and jujutsu), you just need to get into the technique if you’re interested.