KamAZ develops highly mobile platform

Since 2010, KamAZ has been developing a “highly mobile modular platform” (ROC Platform-O), which should replace the Minsk wheel tractors in the Russian army, the blog reports bmpd.

“According to OC“ Platforma-O ”, three types of machines are created: KAMAZ-78504 - a tractor with wheel formula 8Х8 for towing trailed systems with 90-165 t and a ballast tractor with wheel formula 8х8 for towing trailer systems with a body mass using the mass of the platform with a mass of 75-78509 for towing systems with a mass of 12-12 KAMAZ-50 platform with wheel formula 7850х16 with loading capacity 16 t; as well as the KAMAZ-85 platform with the wheel formula XNUMXхXNUMX with a load capacity of XNUMX t, ”the blogger writes.


According to him, on the first day of the Army-2015 forum, a closed presentation of samples of developed tractors was held. In the exposition KamAZ Ball put up a poster with the image of all three promising cars.

Comments

[avt]

Otbyhivayut from the defense order MAZ? Yes, and BAZ at the same time?

[53-Sciborskiy]

We must have our own, just in case.

[Stalker.1977]

I completely agree, you never know, will come out as with helicopter engines.

[maxim947]

Finally! It is high time. And so that residents of Minsk are not offended - you can share orders. (but all is better)))

[Manul]

Quote: Stalker.1977

as with helicopter engines.

And with GTE for corvettes.

[insafufa]

Quote: avt

Push back from the defense order M BAZ?

BAZ does not push back; as before, it wakes up to make tractors rather they will compete in classes 50 - 80t
And in the mass up to 20 t
from 20 -40 tons will be left to BAZ rather

Quote: avt

Push back from the defense order MAZ?

This question has long been in the air and the question of the ruins accelerated

[Mostovik]

There is a suspicion that this is "domestic", half of the imported components.

[pv1005]

And what, BZKT (Bryansk) is no longer in Russia? KZKT (Kurgan) unfortunately went bankrupt.

[Koshak]

Quote: pv1005

KZKT (Kurgan) unfortunately went bankrupt.

In shops KZKT already located awesome shopping center.

[Alekseev]

Quote: 53-Sciborskiy

We must have our own, just in case.

It is necessary. But it is not clear what does KamAZ have to do with it.
Heavy wheeled tractors like Minsk in Russia have long been produced by two BAZ plants - Bryansk and KZKT - Kurgan.
Maybe they want to join forces?
Then it’s right, the main thing is that it doesn’t work like a swan, cancer and pike.

[Throw]

Just another commercial factor - KAMAZ aggressively climbs into new sectors of the market.
The question is that this does not affect the state defense order in other respects, Typhoons-K, for example.

[Koshak]

Quote: Alekseev

Heavy wheeled tractors like Minsk in Russia have long been produced by two BAZ plants - Bryansk and KZKT - Kurgan.

You can forget about KZKT. It no longer exists.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: avt

Otbyhivayut from the defense order MAZ? Yes, and BAZ at the same time?

Well, we have already "ate" from the outskirts, now everything is according to the rules, everything is correct, there should be only our own! PLUS news is undeniable. with the Brothers-Belarusians, you can work on civilian vehicles, but the military-strategic, only its own! and it is right.

[Grandfather bear]

It is high time. Less connections in the defense industry with the uncontrolled "republics" -
more confidence in the availability of the necessary equipment.
Do you want a boom in the economy and more jobs? Join Russia!

[Rus2012]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

with the Belarus Brothers, you can work on civilian cars, but the military-strategic-only your own!

MZKT is likely to enter the corporation with KAMAZ (like MAZ, by the way) ...

By the way, Belarus does a lot of things for the defense industry in addition to wheeled tractors: satellite systems, sights and optics, electronic components ...

The only country that is an ally in all respects is the union state of the Russian Federation + RB, EAEU, CSTO ...
Even in the case of "Maidan sentiments" - they will press together.

[lukke]

I think there’s enough room for everyone on the market (RF and RB). After all, we can still equip all sorts of things with Belarusian chassis and drive them for export, and putting our own for the domestic market is a great need. In general, both those and those will not remain without work - it’s worse for us not to fulfill any export contract on time)

[andrejwz]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

with the Belarus Brothers, you can work on civilian cars, but the military-strategic-only your own! and it is right.

See that from any nodes the head (and long arms) of the Germans do not appear. Masters from KamAZ can draw posters on their own. And under the pratriotic noise, much can be snatched, and then performed as it happens.

[svp67]

Quote: avt

Push back from the defense order MAZ?

Of course it's a shame, but Ukraine has already taught us a good lesson. But I think that there will be a place for MAZs for a long time, as "soon the fairy tale will tell, but it won't be done soon"

Yes and BAZ at the same time?

But BAZ does not suffer, since KAMAZ offers tractors

"According to the ROC" Platform-O ", three types of vehicles are being created: KAMAZ-78504 - a truck tractor with an 8x8 wheel arrangement for towing trailed systems with a mass 90-165 t and 8x8 ballast tractor for towing trailed systems up to 75 t; KAMAZ-78509 platform with a 12x12 wheel arrangement 50 t; as well as the KAMAZ-7850 platform with a 16x16 wheel arrangement 85 t»

But BAZ specializes in

BAZ is the main domestic enterprise for the development and production of special wheeled chassis and high-cross-country tractors in the payload class from 14 to 40 t.

This is from their website http://www.baz32.ru/

[Sid.74]

Quote: avt

Otbyhivayut from the defense order MAZ? Yes, and BAZ at the same time?

Probably provide for the work of these tractors and civilian needs. The load capacity is painfully large.

[War and Peace]

bad news, Belarus is also drained? this kamaz in each barrel is a gag, it would be better to compete with the mans or the Chinese, so there are no pressure on them ...

[Sergey Vladimirovich]

I think it’s not a matter of whom and whom to merge. It is obvious and understandable that for the production of weapons it is necessary to be able to 100% produce all components at home. So who, besides KamAZ, in this case can take up the production of this type of machine? N.-Chelny - a city-factory, with a huge industrial and scientific
Base. Do you propose to build another one similar?

[War and Peace]

Quote: Sergey Vladimirovich

It is obvious and understandable that for the production of weapons it is necessary to be able to 100% produce all components at home.

everything at home would be good to produce, but for some reason, as before, MAIN COMPONENTS -electronics for example ELBRUS can be produced in China, instead of what we would do at home. With China, weird flirting - we give our land to narrow-eyed, sells the most advanced products su35, s400, although we know that the Chinese will copy everything, and the native BELARUS especially plants that are tied only to Russia Minsk plant of heavy hardships, in fact, ruining and depriving thousands of workers of work and engineering personnel, are Putin and Lukashenko’s ambitions such that it’s impossible to agree?
This is Putin’s policy ...

[andrejwz]

Quote: Sergey Vladimirovich

Do you propose to build another one similar?

Yeah. Beyond the Urals.

[pv1005]

Well, of course, now after the KZKT, ZIL were successfully destroyed, they almost let BAZ under the knife, nobody can do the KAMAZ acre.

[AUL]

Nobody merges Belarus. We are cooperating with them very successfully, and will continue to be. But a subtle hint to the Old Man was sent, otherwise he recently began to cheat, bargain, and wave yours and ours.
And in principle, the defense industry should ideally be completely domestic. Because there are no friends in politics, but only mutual interests. And interests can change overnight.

[Juborg]

Lukashenko refused to sell the enterprise to Russian hucksters, and even pulled up the price almost three times for tractors.

[War and Peace]

Quote: juborg

Lukashenko refused to sell the enterprise to Russian hucksters, and even pulled up the price almost three times for tractors.

Well, Putin then lifts up gas prices so that Lukashenko doesn’t lift up, especially since the price of energy carriers is included in the price of published ...

[GRAY]

Quote: War and Peace

Well, Putin then lifts up gas prices so that Lukashenko doesn’t lift up, especially since the price of energy carriers is included in the price of published ...

Just do not fool around here.

29.01.2015, 12: 20 | "Newspaper.Ru"
President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko is pleased with the cost of Russian gas imported into the country, Interfax reports.

“At our border, the gas price is $ 134. And no one else has such a price due to the fact that we are in partnership with Russia, ”he explained.

According to him, Belarus is the only country in the world that receives natural gas from Russia at such a low price. According to him, this is enough for the economy of Belarus. “Well, what should I do, to get insolent and go to the Kremlin to knock and scream - give me $ 80?” - he said.

According to him, in Belarus “today it is a sin to say that we feel bad. But this is not what should be in the Customs Union and the EAEU, ”the president said.

[sub307]

What do you mean "shove away". As you know, the Republic of Belarus is a sovereign state with its own defense order, which does not exclude interaction in the defense industry. But how is Belarus to the Russian defense order?

[Andrey Skokovsky]

in fact, Belarus and Russia UNIONED States and only the draft TC slowed down integration in this direction

[NEXUS]

Quote: avt

Otbyhivayut from the defense order MAZ? Yes, and BAZ at the same time?

And this is due to the dystopian policy of Old Man Lukashenko (As Russia has problems, he seems to be with it, but he is also trying to get something out of it), and indeed, it’s better to have your own, so it’s calmer. Friendship is friendship, but the country's defense is more important.

[Shiva83483]

It is high time....

[Dzafdet]

Otbyhivayut from the defense order MAZ? Yes, and BAZ at the same time?

Old Man refused to sell the MZKT. And if tomorrow they throw him off and the Maidanites come to power? It's time to have your platforms. In addition, Minsk residents are constantly raising the price of tractors ..

[Bombardier]

What is it? Commercial competition or political decision?

[Figvam]

diversification is always good
the main thing is to do it on their own and not on state

[Denis]

Probably this is the most necessary. Recently, there was infa that the military, especially drivers, would prefer the long-haul truck BAZ that the S-300 truck would prefer, even if it was a long, but solid platform.

[Ruslan]

the funniest but the bases have such a chassis. so it’s not the base, but the designers of the s-400

[Ruslan]

or such, if the missile length is longer than s-300. so it is not clear why Almaz-Antey put the S-400 on a trailer. and where did the customer look if now they say that the trailer is not convenient?

[prosto_rgb]

Quote: ruslan

it is not clear why Almaz-Antey put the S-400 on a trailer. and where did the customer look if now they say that the trailer is not convenient?

You ask such questions as if you weren’t living in Russia.
Things are not particularly logical sea, and less logical explanations even more and not only in the military sphere.

[53-Sciborskiy]

Quote: War and Peace

bad news, Belarus is also drained? this kamaz in each barrel is a gag, it would be better to compete with the mans or the Chinese, so there are no one's own pressure.

If you read the posts carefully, you probably understood why this is happening.

[kil 31]

We supported Belarus with purchases, we spoke openly about this. What did the old man do once our decided to do with us?

[Radogos]

It’s time for BROTHERS ourselves to take up the matter)

[kursk87]

All weapons, components for them should be only domestic

[Prussian]

What will we do with the Belarusians, this is their topic, they will be offended. They even call the country a tractor’s name, and we squeeze them out of mechanical engineering.

[Falcon]

The news is of course interesting, but KAMAZ’s cooperation with the Moscow Region is in doubt. 20% of KamAZ shares belongs to Daimler. And they are in view of sanctions against the military business of KAMAZ. They even suspended the production of promising armored cars.

Boxes on KAMAZ go ZF, they also fall under European sanctions. KAMAZ does not have its own boxes for such trucks. The native engines are weak, and they plan to create promising ones in cooperation with Liebher. Those. engines are also under sanctions.

So that the news seemed to be relevant for the 2010 year, and now the big question is what they will do there ...

[insafufa]

there are engines and new ones

[Falcon]

Quote: insafufa

there are engines and new ones

Kamaz does not. only the old v8 in 400 l / s + - a couple of dozen, depending on the configuration. Under such a mass, not enough. There are no more boxes. Old KAMAZ, under 40 tons maximum and then not a fact, new only ZF.

[insafufa]

KaMaz somehow issued the information that they should agree on the installation of the YaMZ engine
Summary table of technical characteristics of diesel engines YaMZ-236, YAMZ-238 and YaMZ-240

Engine model

(link)
Rotational speed, rpm Power max., KW / hp (3600 rpm) number of cylinders Weight, kg Dimensions, mm
YaMZ diesel engines 236 series

especially powerful diesel engines YaMZ 240 series
YaMZ-240M2 2100 265/360 12 1670 1580/1015/1190
YaMZ-240PM2 2100 309/420 12 1790 1760/1100/1190
YaMZ-240NM2 2100 368/500 12 1790 1760/1100/1190

[AlNikolaich]

The engines that you brought are very ancient! And yet, 240 motor is very moody, he has
main bearings on roller bearings. And the pistons lift up often! And if Belazy and Kirovtsy
they still go with him, then alas ...
If only YAMZ-7511, or "tuta". Only rather weak ...
So, like on Mazy, you have to put tank engines!

[DobryAAH]

I think the situation is as follows. The advantage of Russia is its vastness. Remember how WWII brought production to the east? Now imagine the situation. States have done 10000 Tomahawks. Draw semicircles from Poland, the North and Barents Seas with a radius of 2500 km (affected area), and I also think that they dream of shooting from the Black Sea. Through closed channels we will be flooded that this is a gentleman’s war without nuclear weapons.
What will management do, question?

[maxim947]

I think so

[GRAY]

Quote: Good AAAH

What will management do, question?

She won’t believe that a gentleman’s war, therefore, a non-gentleman’s vigorous mother will immediately fly back.
Think for yourself what actions the Air Defense Forces and Strategic Missile Forces will take when they detect multiple launches from enemy territory.

[Sergey Vladimirovich]

I fully and completely agree that "... All weapons and components for them should be only domestic ..." By the example of the Strategic Missile Forces - all MAZ special equipment! The cars, of course, are unique, good, they have no price. But to rely on foreign countries in the production of their own "nuclear shield", even if they are closest brothers, is at least not smart. All this was already done with Yuzhmash.

[Sultan]

Belarus is not Russia ... So far ... So it makes sense to develop the domestic base on the issue of the strategic forces of nuclear deterrence ... And the Old Man will not be so mischievous ...

In the same topic:
The Russian concern has created an analogue of the MTZ-82 tractor and expects to “move” the Belarusian manufacturer ... Details at http://www.starcorussia.ru/exportnews/4383/

[Bombardier]

JSC "Vladimir Motor-Tractor Plant" VMTZ made tractors before ..
Here is the assortment:
http://oao-vmtz.ru/

[paul33]

Vladimir Tractor has not existed for a long time, some ruins from the factory, I know not by hearsay 4 years ago, worked there

[31R-US]

the doorway is probably small, if a large driver gets caught as he enters the cab.

[Ermak]

In Kurgan there was a plant of wheel tractors KZKT. They made a model like in the title photo, for example. Now there is no factory .. they ditched, sawed, pulled away, cut into shopping centers ...

[ARES623]

Belarus, of course, is an ally today, because Ukraine once did not consider itself an enemy. So we can afford to buy some of the tractors, but the carriers of strategic forces should be only ours. You cannot trust your eggs.

[PROSTEEL]

Quote: Bridge

Bridge Today, 13:02 ↑ New
There is a suspicion that this is "domestic", half of the imported components.

This is not "Typhoon-K" where the import is continuous ...
The armor for this platform was developed and manufactured at the Scientific Research Institute of Steel, by the way :)

[svp67]

Meanwhile, a new technique for rainy weather is being tested in Tolyatti ..

[prosto_rgb]

Well, to ride in this way it is always with us please, the main thing is that the weather does not disappoint.

[31R-US]

And in Kursk the 20th ski in the city center could be attached to a motorboat

[Retvizan 8]

Well, if they do something worthy then respect! Of course, military equipment should not depend on foreign partners. Cooperation with Ukraine and France is an eloquent example of this!
Well, again, the development of technology and production in Russia, this will only benefit.

[gregor6549]

The news for Belarus is more than unpleasant. And all the more unpleasant that it appears against the backdrop of deepening military-technical cooperation with Russia and a united front to confront possible aggression from the West.
The abandonment of Belarusian tractors will lead to the loss of thousands of jobs in Belarus, and not only at the MZKT but also at many related enterprises, including the Bobruisk Tire Plant, one of the largest in Europe, exacerbating the already difficult economic one. the situation in Belarus and, as a consequence, the growth of the protest movement. And what such a movement can lead to can be seen from the Ukrainian example.
Now about the subject of discussion. Of course, Kamaz has capacities for the production of tractors similar to those produced by MKTS, but in order to reach the level that is now available at MKZT, KAMAZ will need more than a year or two, experienced engineers and workers and hundreds of millions of rubles of investment in new processes, tooling, equipment, etc. It is quite possible that there are no more Minsk tractors, but there are no tractors yet and it is not known when they will appear. It would have been easier, without taking orders from Minsk dwellers, to agree on the transfer to the same Kamaz of the entire set of those documentation necessary for the production of the necessary tractors at KAMAZ in the event of force majeure. And Russia, as a customer of tractors, has the right to transfer such a set to it. Moreover, this practice existed back in the days of the USSR. And the Belarusian hares would be safe and the Russian "Topol" are full.

[dakty]

What a hysteria ?! Who, what took away from Belarus ??? According to Kamaz, these are plans and they will not be realized soon. There will be a niche for both MAZ and KAMAZ. No need to hysteria!

[AlNikolaich]

I read it, I thought ... KAMAZ ... Is it really so many years that the plant will never learn how to make trucks!
Tears are alone. Interestingly, carriers began to prefer Kamaz to the Chinese. They say the same stuff
only lucky and pays off faster! And in Kamaz, I would have chopped off the hands of such manufacturers! They need
engage in quality, not ambition! Let the farmer do a normal dump truck! And then
Typhoons and Platforms do!
Understand- KAMAZ and KamAZ-Master, these are different offices! And the first will never achieve the quality of the second!
And how can I imagine that KAMAZ will send its crafts to the army, it takes a rash ...

[GRAY]

Chinese cars are good until you start buying parts for them.

[Mentat]

Quote: war and peace

everything at home would be good to produce, but for some reason, as before, MAIN COMPONENTS -electronics for example ELBRUS can be produced in China, instead of what we would do at home.

More precisely, in Taiwan, temporarily, because Russia does not yet have equipment for the production of processors according to 28nm technological standards. All the same, you have to purchase, and the sooner the better.