Army is a school of life? Poll

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Do you consider military service in the army a school of life?

Served and consider serving in the army useful for myself, in later life - 774 (49.55%)
49.55%
Served and consider service lost time - 125 (8%)
8%
Did not serve and do not regret - 245 (15.69%)
15.69%
I wanted to serve, but I could not for health reasons or for other reasons - 120 (7.68%)
7.68%
I want to serve, but not in this army - 173 (11.08%)
11.08%
I doubt with the unequivocal answer - 125 (8%)
8%
Army is a school of life? Poll


After the collapse of the Soviet Union, disputes about the benefits or uselessness of service in the Russian Army as a call began to arise more and more often. Over the past twenty years, an entire generation of citizens has managed to appear in Russia, who not only do not wish to go through an army school, but generally consider serving in the army as an occupation for the poor strata of our population. If we make, so to speak, a slice of the Russian army today, we can see that the majority of soldiers serving in conscription are either residents of the Russian provinces, or children from incomplete families, or sons of those parents whose incomes can be called more than modest. It is safe to say that in the modern Russian army there are children by no means all politicians, businessmen, officials of various levels (if they serve at all). Such people here, as we know, are considered white bone. So, for some, different from the traditional laws, they have the right to full exemption from military service. To do this, a certificate of disrepair for medical reasons can be concocted, or simply buy a ready-made military ID card with all the consequences.

However, public opinion, judging by the recently published research, still suggests that the status of our army is a little, but it comes out of a steep peak. If even 10-12 years ago, the overwhelming number of respondents believed that service in the Russian army was a lost time for a young man, but today there are fewer people like that. According to a survey conducted by the Public Opinion Foundation, about a third of respondents believe that serving in the army has a positive effect on a young person. About 48% of citizens believe that there are positive and negative features in military service, which is difficult to disagree with.

In Soviet times, sociological polls of this kind could be perceived by the public as odd, since the vast majority of the population considered the army to be the real school of life for a young man. However, new political, economic and military realities are evident, and therefore the number of “doubters” of the expediency of serving as an appeal in Russia sometimes increases or decreases. If we talk about the prerequisites for the emergence of numerous deviators from the military service, then experts call such conflicts 80's. Afghan war has done its job. Many eighteen-year-old boys frankly did not understand why they were forced to fight in the territory of a foreign state whose people are clearly not happy with their presence. The ideals of "international military assistance" were already seriously shaken. The local conflicts of the nineties added fuel to the fire of disbelief in the high ideals of serving the Motherland. With all the desire, such ideals became less and less common when, during the Chechen campaign, the soldiers saw with their own eyes how their commanders did not at all disdain to work closely with the militants, selling weapon and reporting plans. Among other things, the army was torn apart from the inside by hazing, the scale of which in the nineties reached incredible heights. These reasons for the negative attitude towards the Russian army can not be written off.

However, time changes. The Russians understand that the army needs real modernization, and without young, educated and ambitious servicemen (whether contract soldiers or draftees) this problem cannot be solved.

No one, I think, will argue, if we say that the modern Russian army is not the scattered horde of the mid-nineties, when it was impossible to assemble several combat-ready units from all over the country. Of course, there are enough problems today, but to deny that the army has become better with both food and uniforms for draftees is pointless. Of course, there are such units in our country where the “fathers-commanders” continue to put the soldiers in decommissioned form and feed them with expired canned food, but this is still not an all-Russian tendency.

If we talk about how our compatriots began to respond to the army, the number of positive responses increased by 9% compared to the previous survey of the 1998 year. The only thing that is alarming is the increase in the number of people who believe that the number of cases of non-statutory relations in the Russian army is not decreasing, but even increasing. Earlier, non-statutory relations arose between the so-called old-timers and the young conscription, but today the “warrior-non-steward” has moved to a new track. In this case, “hazing” refers to the relationship of contract soldiers and draftees, officers and soldiers. In other words, a decrease in service life has led to the transformation of hazing. She is still afraid of young people who have to go on military service.

The overwhelming majority of Russians, according to the results of the same survey, state that for young students it would be worth leaving a deferment. About 8% of respondents said that the postponement of military service is generally contrary to the Constitution, because it violates the equality of all people before the law. But as we know, there will always be people who are “more equal” than others, whether the delay will be canceled or not.

The results of the POF poll eloquently testify to the attitude of society towards the Russian army. It is encouraging that this attitude, albeit slowly, but in general, is changing for the better. Well, there is still a lot of work for military reformers!
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  1. Owl
    +9
    18 October 2011 09: 13
    In a number of countries (for example, the GDR), a person who did not serve in the Army was considered a "half-citizen", if for health reasons a person could serve, but did not pass the Service, then the issue of admission to an institute, the issue of obtaining a prestigious civil service was almost unresolved. This would put in the ranks of the Russian Army and Navy the children and relatives of those on whom the life and defense capability of the State depends, the reforms would probably not be “funny” and “idiotic”, trained Officers would be employed and our Army and Navy in the world would be afraid and would be respected as the Soviet Armed Forces.
    1. oper66
      0
      20 October 2011 00: 51
      the constitution says "an honorable duty and duty of a citizen" well, those who mow down so they cannot be called citizens, many women serve, I am ashamed that there are such creatures of the neuter
  2. mind1954
    +16
    18 October 2011 09: 19
    The state takes people to fulfill state
    duties! So on what basis are these people
    someone more than "touching a finger"?

    A man is in the public service!
    And inflicting any damage on him - THIS IS STATE
    CRIME and must be punished accordingly!

    PS Try to go outside and "kick in the face" to the policeman
    (to the policeman)!
    1. Neighbor
      0
      18 October 2011 19: 00
      I fully agree with mind1954, such complete chaos as in the army is not even in darkness, in a year, in peacetime, 2500 soldiers die, hang themselves, kill, n / s, illness. Losses as in wartime. And you at least once heard that at least one guilty person would be found, at least one would be imprisoned. Military doctors have one answer - heart, suicide, stroke - but there is no living place on the corpse. So what core were called up for the army - why aren’t they putting the colonels in the military enlistment office? Why in civilian life they give a deadline for a broken nose, but they come from the army crippled, without teeth, spleens, pancreas, kidneys left, and no one is responsible.
    2. +4
      19 October 2011 05: 23
      How much verbiage can be practiced? Soldiers are beaten by the same soldiers, they were brought up like that, some to beat the weak, others to ache and put up with. The officers have not been doing this for a long time, and you can’t track every step of the villain even in the zone. Only cowards can’t join the army!
      1. USMC
        -3
        19 October 2011 10: 27
        That is, just to prove that I’m not a coward, should I join the army?
        And what am I sorry to do there? To paint grass? Warehouse to guard? I don’t want to fight, let those who have nothing more to do in life do this.
        1. ereke
          -2
          19 October 2011 10: 38
          Well, calm down, no one accuses you of cowardice. The pacifists are not cowards, they just have a different worldview and their own ideology, but not everyone serves in the army. In general, in my opinion, the army should be made professional. And leave the general mobilization of the whole country through military registration and enlistment offices only in case of martial law. If they create all the comfortable conditions for life in the army, and everyone will do his own business in the army as expected, and after the service some benefits will be provided (for example, when entering a university after the army, if a person scores, he is credited without a competition for a place etc., as in the USA), then there will be no end to volunteers without you))
        2. +5
          19 October 2011 18: 55
          Young man. You are not just a coward, you are a dependent! They got used to exist on everything ready. Someone needs to protect warehouses. Gather your relatives, friends, if you have any, and loudly tell them that you do not care about their safety, you will never stand up for them in any difficult situation. And in general - Fight back as you want. I would like to see their expressions. They will simply despise you. You are not able to protect even your family. About such real warriors they say, I would not go to reconnaissance with him. Even a wife, if she has any brains left, will leave such a "protector". And she will do the right thing.
          1. +2
            20 October 2011 07: 58
            Short and capacious!
        3. +2
          20 October 2011 07: 57
          I already said about cowards.
      2. +2
        19 October 2011 19: 03
        Ask yourself - who is a soldier? And this is your friend, a friend who, getting into another situation, begins to assert himself, but unfortunately, not in the most worthy way. Look at our police - how many freaks went there to assert themselves? It shakes a stick in the mouth. But these are immigrants from those for whom someone’s security is fiction. They don’t want to work. Ask those who fought in Chechnya. The servicemen went by order, and the employees of all types of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, for the most part, fought to get there in turn. think for yourself!
      3. mind1954
        0
        25 October 2011 03: 27
        quote = almost demobilization] Soldiers are beaten by the same soldiers, they were brought up that way, some to beat the weak, the other to whine and endure. [/ quote]

        And why is THIS in "civilian life" not taken into account at the trial?

        They are sent to the zone for crimes. And for what crimes, then,
        taken to serve in the army? You can’t put things in order, there’s nothing
        pick up people!
        You have no moral and legal right!
  3. Ion coaelung
    +2
    18 October 2011 10: 19
    Today the sutra rode in a trolleybus, and there apparently a demobilization to my friend (I became an involuntary listener of the conversation) was telling about adventures: how they broke the fence, and then they repaired, how they got up, they did physical education, how the boss thumps, and this is all about the training shooting on armored personnel carriers a few words. The conclusion was that he was talking about shooting from other people's words, he would only dance in front of a friend. Or maybe in front of all the passengers, he spoke loudly, gleaming and expressing his emotions with similar matyuki. And there the children went to school, here is an example he gives to the younger ones. And people see what kind of culture a young man is taught by the army. In my opinion, a person should not only physically develop there! I am for the development of military education, down with conservatism!
    1. Gur
      +11
      18 October 2011 10: 59
      Well, here it’s like not only the problem of demobilization, but rather society .. if you rode silently and listened .. and all silently pissed without comment ... it means it should be so. That's when your ears begin to cut it to the point of no possibility .. and the look of a dirty bus will cause a gag reflex, maybe then you will make comments and deal with this state of things.
      1. +9
        18 October 2011 18: 54
        I confirm GUR.
        Somehow I was riding in a trolley with my wife (in Stavropol) in civilian life.
        The year was 1996. A young lieutenant, drunk, talking loudly in obscene language. I asked him to shut up. However, in response, he received a statement that he was a hero of the Chechen war, and would go to x ...... etc. etc.
        I had to move a little to come to my senses. The truth was silent and no longer spoke.
        I was ashamed of him. He was a bastard in uniform.
        I am ashamed of everyone who fought in Chechnya. Since those who really fought, those on the streets and in transport do not shout about it.
        And this one may be in the train where he was hanging around, and now the hero.
        1. 0
          19 October 2011 20: 17
          What did you want to hear from him? It was clearly not the first time they had told him that he had not been sent there!
        2. 0
          19 February 2012 00: 55
          Quote: vlbelugin
          I was ashamed of him. He was a bastard in uniform.
          I am ashamed of everyone who fought in Chechnya. Since those who really fought, those on the streets and in transport do not shout about it. And this one may be in the train where he lounged around, and now the hero.

          I agree with what has been said. Is it right that I moved him. Leitekh was not from the brigade ??? PS I was in Stavropol95godu.
    2. 0
      19 October 2011 20: 08
      So he is such a member of our society, like all of us. I don’t even want to be offended. He just wanted to stand out when drunk, in the American way — you should be better, stand out by something, etc. Shame for such people is not acceptable.
  4. +3
    18 October 2011 10: 27
    Citizenship (with a capital letter) and military service as one of the ways to obtain it was a good idea in the first Starship Troopers. In this film, the idea looks like a matter of course.
    You wouldn't even think that almost the same thing was written in the book "Mein Kampf" by one well-known author ...
  5. Gur
    +9
    18 October 2011 10: 55
    They have been fighting hazing for so many years, and things are still there .. but it’s quite simple to solve this problem (my opinion, there is something to compare with) and the armies of neighboring states confirm this for those who have such a system. It’s just that all calls should serve separately, not to mention the contract soldiers. The sergeants should be professionals, not co-workers of their call. Tighten the penalties for non-submission, for causing bodily harm. Yes, there will be not a verbal relationship of their appeal, but that’s already another .. there and so quickly it becomes clear who is capable of what and who really is who. But with the senior call of such lawlessness as it will not be now. Because they can fight back. The whole confusion essentially begins at night. And if we say this happens, then no one will need to fight a company against a company. Because it will be a huge fly. During the day, usually warriors in front of officers. How to be in small gorizons, I think that solutions can also be found there .. although, as a rule, in such gorizons .. there are less problems with hazing. (He served in a large part)
    As for the prestige, this is a matter for everyone personally. If you are a trickster, and all you have to do is drag it out from under your mother’s skirt, then of course what kind of army can be. But the state should legally restrict such people in their rights (civil service, leadership. Posts) Although with such an example as the Minister of Defense, this is unlikely to be decided. And there are a lot of Chen’s children .. how can they be without a golden pisoire? Dad pedophile can’t stand it. And if they had served ... maybe they began to love their homeland more.
    1. +3
      18 October 2011 19: 09
      And here I do not agree.
      All that you offer is not a novelty. Such an attempt at the ball in our regiment (I won’t say for all the aircraft) in the year 1986-87. When formed a unit in one call. The experiment was quickly curtailed because:
      - during the demobilization of the entire unit - the combat readiness of the PKP regiment (missile troops - a mobile command post) is zero. A new replenishment from the training parts has come. In order for them to be able to work independently as part of crews, it takes more than one month. The succession of generations has broken. Transfer of experience from senior soldiers to young people. If the crew comes to 20-30% replenishment, he is combat-ready. What the novices do not know or do not know how to do will be done by old-timers.
      I know from the experience of the service that a reliable specialist grows after a year and a half of service.
      - there is still a showdown and instability. For some reason, non-instability is considered only with grandfathers. But it is multifaceted. Have you ever seen a group of guys in school or in the yard in which everyone is equal? No. There are always leaders there. So in the army with one call. The strong began immediately to push the weak morally and physically.
      1. Siberian
        0
        18 October 2011 20: 05
        I started as an officer in the GSVG in the 85th. In our division, the battalions had one conscription (tank division). There was no wild unsettled, in the little things, yes. Such a system has both pros and cons. This is in terms of combat readiness.
        1. Mahamont
          0
          18 October 2011 20: 58
          And non-statutory work, but we must do sports. It helped me a lot. Anyone will think hard before raising a "big" (as they called me) voice.
    2. Mahamont
      -3
      18 October 2011 19: 21
      Well it is possible. only if you have been trained in the military specialty in the educational unit, also with one call. They can replace the previous call in the regular part with the whole composition, already prepared.
    3. 0
      19 October 2011 20: 20
      This will not strengthen the combat readiness of a unit or division. But what about continuity? Seniors teach juniors in joint classes.
  6. Motherland
    +5
    18 October 2011 11: 15
    Where didn’t I serve in the poll, but I’ll definitely go?
    1. ZEBRASH
      0
      18 October 2011 18: 18
      Similar question bully
  7. nickname bj
    0
    18 October 2011 11: 18
    Still, I believe that everyone should do his own thing ... The president could not restore order in the state, then he should not be chosen anymore. And the Minister of Defense is his subordinate ...
    1. 0
      19 October 2011 20: 59
      Unfortunately, the country is run not by specialists, but by successful managers. Their main task is to save money. In recent days, Medvedev began to talk about specialists in the government. But on the way, as always, Putin and his best government. He said by the way that Medvedev did nothing revolutionary in the country. But I agree that he will take up the implementation of his plans. He won’t cope, Putin is still not to blame.
  8. SL.Kocegar
    +6
    18 October 2011 13: 01
    It is necessary, as in Israel, to cut career growth without military service
    1. Gosta
      -10
      18 October 2011 15: 33
      Ok, but if I say I don’t want to fight? Well, I don’t like it all. And in general, why on earth would someone choose for me to serve me or not. Suppose I want to work, I have a family, and let others run with machines if they like. You can not do it this way?
      1. Rawling4851
        +1
        18 October 2011 18: 26
        You can, but then you can only work in private enterprises. The course of public service and politics must be closed.
        1. +3
          18 October 2011 19: 14
          Yes no Gosta.
          You live in a society. Take advantage of it. Therefore, they must comply with the established rules of this society. You do not want to be a military; do not go to a military school or a contract, but you must fulfill the constitutional DUT.
          After that, work and multiply.
          Why should someone else protect you and your wife?
          Remember Pushkin (the great Russian poet) - you may not be a poet, but a CITIZEN MUST be.
          1. Gosta
            -1
            18 October 2011 19: 44
            Does the benefit society provide me for free? They get military money for protecting me, this is their job and their choice. If we talk about constitutional rights, in my opinion the state does not really protect my rights, but rather. In my opinion, I pay 13 percent of every salary for a state salary. employees, including the military. Well, here are some reasons you can bring to justify why everyone should serve in the army?
            1. +1
              18 October 2011 21: 02
              Gosta, what if tomorrow is war? Will others protect you and your family for your 13 percent?
              1. Gosta
                0
                18 October 2011 23: 04
                Yes, they get paid for it, and retiring housing. It was they who chose such a job for themselves, both policemen and doctors are to protect us, this is their choice. Can I go a year roughly to work for you? Or for someone else, but please, if I am satisfied with the salary, I will work. Why do I owe something to someone? What did the state give me, for which I owe him something?
                Make the army a contract with a normal salary and there will be many who wish, I myself would go with pleasure, and I don’t see any reason to throw out a year from my life. All normal people studying in the 5th year of the institute are already looking for a job to go to work there upon graduation. If you go to the army after college, then after that you’ll dangle for half a year and look for a place for yourself. Those. half a year to hang on the neck of parents, no, thank you, the army is a waste of time.
                From the fact that someone goes into the army that he will become a super fighter? Do not tell, during the year you go to shooting 5 times, shoot 3 rounds and that’s all, and the rest of the time you scrub the floors, protect the part, but peel the potatoes. That's all the training, if you would join the army for a year and you had shooting every day, tactical training, driving instruction in different military vehicles, tanks, you would shoot with different weapons, they would show the device of foreign weapons, they would disassemble and assemble it. Every week there would be exercises, would teach combat as part of a unit. But all this is not and is not expected, I will peel potatoes at home and wash the floors, AK I also sorted out at school and collected and went to shootings. All, why join the army, if they do not learn to fight there?
                1. +3
                  19 October 2011 21: 31
                  You’ll get at least one useful profession — you can peel potatoes, otherwise you can’t wash your socks yourself. You’re dependent on the full program. And in the army, you’ll even feel that your comrade’s elbow is in line, in a chain, you’ll understand that not only you need to take it, but also My son, a seriously wounded officer, was pulled out of battle by two conscript soldiers and two more who covered them with fire. And they all risked their lives, but saved the commander. This can only be understood with a real battle fraternity. But they could have left him and hide, but it never occurred to any of them. I will never forget their self-sacrifice. This is the feeling of a military elbow, comradeship. So there is no need to fool around ..
            2. 0
              19 October 2011 21: 06
              Do not be stupidly incomprehensible. If you compare the salary of military personnel, it is much lower than in the country. The colonel’s pension is 10.5 thousand at best, and the lifters’ pension in Kazan is 16.5 thousand. Remember the canceled ration - the officer received 20 rubles a month and the convict was fed 82 rubles. So do not ask bad questions about where your taxes go.
              1. +2
                19 October 2011 21: 15
                In addition, the state needs the army to protect itself from the first blows. All the wars were won not by the soldiers who entered the battle at the beginning of the conflict. They, as a rule, hardly survived. And the country's reserve consists of those stubbornly unwilling to learn how to fight, nor more protect your country. Cowards, in a word. Are you going to defend your homeland with a criminal code or diploma of an economist? Learn to own weapons. Then maybe you will become like a person. In the primitive system you would be the first society to eat.
                1. Gosta
                  +1
                  19 October 2011 23: 15
                  Well, to begin with, I graduated from the Institute of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in 2007, I lived on the barracks for 2 years and all 5 years of training I went to clothes and cleaned potatoes and washed the floors and stood on guard in winter in a sheepskin coat and we had march throws , I was running in a gas mask and wearing bronics, I shot with AK, from AKSU, PM, SVD, TT and took it all together and collected it, at the end of my studies I worked as a criminal opera, on March 25, 2011 I quit and now I work as a civilian police are 9 years old, so do not teach me please. I have never been a dependent, I have my own apartment, car and work with a good salary. I know what salaries are paid to the police and the military, I myself existed on this, therefore I quit. We live in the 21st century, what kind of primitive society are we talking about? From whom to defend the Motherland, we ourselves cannot defend it from ourselves, we still laugh at the Americans.
                  1. SAVA555.IVANOV
                    0
                    20 October 2011 02: 07
                    Gosta HOW DOES WE NOT PROTECT AGAINST YOURSELF? EXPLAIN BE FAVORABLE?)))
            3. SAVA555.IVANOV
              -1
              20 October 2011 01: 40
              BECAUSE IF ONLY CONTRACTORS WILL BE IN THE ARMY THEN YOU WILL BE NOT 13% AND FOR EXAMPLE 40% PAY TAXES
            4. +2
              20 October 2011 08: 07
              I’ll explain it on my fingers as a child. First of all, we, the military, by a strange coincidence, also pay taxes like you. Well, and secondly, based on the number of the likely enemy, then the numerical superiority is not in our favor, in case of war, no military personnel Enough. China v. Russia. So it’s understandable why you should be able to protect your mother, father, children, etc.? Or doesn’t get it anyway? Then I pass.
            5. rkt7
              0
              16 November 2011 09: 58
              Do you want to pay off? I quit the Army only because the salary was a penny, but I served the entire term of the contract, and I did not defend my homeland from what she was paying me, because in fact this money was enough for minimal needs. If they protect for money - so these are mercenaries, as they say without a clan and tribe, they don’t care for you personally, the main thing is to pay, but here you can’t get away with 13 percent :). Imagine only the picture: The unit will not go into battle until the monetary issue is settled and all the nuances of the attack are taken into account in the price list ... You can not serve and not be a citizen of your country - live a hermit in the taiga or on a desert island. By the way, the military and civil servants also pay 13% of their salaries.
          2. USMC
            -1
            19 October 2011 10: 21
            You are 2 in literature. "Poet and Citizen" was written by Nekrasov. Me and my wife should be protected by a well trained professional who is paid a salary from my taxes. I do not owe anything to the state, since now I pay for all the benefits that I use at full cost.
            1. Gosta
              -1
              19 October 2011 10: 34
              Do I need 2? Yes, I did not stutter about literature, but by the way I fully support your point of view on the army.
              1. USMC
                0
                19 October 2011 11: 19
                Sory) I missed the comment.
          3. USMC
            0
            19 October 2011 11: 19
            You are 2 in literature. "Poet and Citizen" was written by Nekrasov. Me and my wife should be protected by a well trained professional who is paid a salary from my taxes. I do not owe anything to the state, since now I pay for all the benefits that I use at full cost.
        2. Gosta
          -1
          19 October 2011 17: 23
          Well, I’m just working in a private enterprise, and I’m not torn into politics smile
          1. +2
            19 October 2011 22: 13
            Well-trained professionals who are paid a salary of your precious taxes are kept in order to restrain the enemy for some time. This time (which they will restrain) should be enough to create something like the army from people like you. if this happens, then do not bring Poseidon to me with such employees of watch companies to fight shoulder to shoulder.
  9. +4
    18 October 2011 16: 50
    It’s necessary to do so. I didn’t serve the law, there’s no place for you in government agencies, the effect will be right away - who wants to be an official will run like a bitch to the army
    1. +2
      18 October 2011 19: 18
      + to higher education institutions only on a paid basis. And who served only on a free basis at the expense of the state
      + all bureaucrats and deputies who have sons abroad with dual citizenship under the knee
      1. +2
        18 October 2011 19: 53
        Do not build illusions, if you have money, all these "minor obstacles" are easily resolved, you know very well that you can serve in different ways (sports company, household support companies, etc., and where the fighters are only listed, but they even live did not see compok). Who needs it, they are doing it now, no problem. fellow
      2. Gosta
        -1
        19 October 2011 17: 29
        Even without an army, we have a free higher education, these are military and police institutes, after which you don’t need to join the army, because you live there for 2 years on the barracks, some even all 5 years.
    2. 0
      19 October 2011 05: 27
      Inquiries will begin to take that they were torn into the army and they were not taken because of flat feet.
    3. USMC
      +3
      19 October 2011 10: 30
      Tell me why do you need a bunch of bitches in the army? Do you need people in the army who will go there just to get privileges later? You can imagine how they will serve.
  10. Mahamont
    +7
    18 October 2011 17: 09
    Still do as in Switzerland. Served his, they give you your military weapons, ammunition. And once a year fees. Over time, corruption, illegal migration and many other problems will disappear. Armed society is a polite society.
    1. Motherland
      0
      18 October 2011 19: 08
      I totally agree.
  11. Alexey Prikazchikov
    +10
    18 October 2011 19: 31
    Survival polls are carried out whether it is necessary to serve or not. It is necessary and the point.
    1. +1
      20 October 2011 08: 15
      Aleksey, but there are figures who say, it’s not necessary, the point. You see, he pays taxes.
      1. +2
        20 October 2011 08: 52
        There are many of those. But only if a roasted rooster comes and pecks, they will probably fight with income declarations and tax receipts. The ambush is that the payment of taxes does not carry the automatic ability to do basic things that are suitable in such situations.

        No, make a good approach ... "I paid taxes" ... Well, now let his taxes teach him how to survive and (it would be nice) to cause at least minimal damage to the enemy.
  12. Volkhov
    +2
    18 October 2011 21: 17
    In Soviet times, disciplined:
    1 service dog (a person is able to fly!)
    2 finished cartridge (the fool starts to think)
    3 perspective to sit down (depression slows down)
    but to whom it was clear to serve, and this is the most important (past)

    (future) In partisan units, discipline can be built on the honor of admission and the shame of exile, according to ancient history, like this.

    The army was a school of life in the 19th century, when a rookie was assigned to an old man who had served for 20 years (uncle) and he taught him. It is good to observe the psychological realities of the Soviet and Russian army in a pack of mongrels - an accurate, cheap and humane model (not a single suicide and murder).
  13. +2
    18 October 2011 21: 46
    (Survival surveys are conducted whether we need to serve or not. We need a point.) - Of course, we need a country - that’s a big one, in case of war, people will be able to better stand up for themselves, having the skills acquired during military service. And so that people would not mow down from the army, service must be made prestigious, served, choose any institute, university, technical school without exams.
    1. Gosta
      -1
      18 October 2011 23: 06
      Well, thanks for your comment, I fully support you, there should be some kind of pluses from the army except for the year thrown out of life.
      1. 0
        21 October 2011 15: 26
        Quote: Gosta
        Well, thanks for your comment, I fully support you, there should be some kind of pluses from the army except for the year thrown out of life.


        Thrown out of life? Where does this understanding come from? From my own experience? But you haven't been in the Army for a day. My year is not "thrown out". And almost all colleagues, both my call and the senior, now feel nostalgia.
  14. Letekha
    +1
    18 October 2011 22: 50
    Personally, my offer is everyone! But, it took half a year, 9 months. training, depending on the type of troops and specialization and demobilization, 50% contract soldiers, that is, parts of 100% readiness, 50% training, but by the type of Soviet training, whose officers and sergeants were considered the best in the entire army, normal military departments in universities then right now, but normal, graduates of whom it would be easy in the future to replace staff officers, and every 2 years for 2 weeks for retraining! Thus, God forbid that, the whole country is easily in the gun, everyone can hold weapons in their hands! Only on a demobilization without weapons, or even without it, demography in the country to hell!
  15. -1
    18 October 2011 23: 54
    did you serve the heart?
    1. mitrich
      +2
      18 October 2011 23: 59
      Sure. In the special forces detachment "Furniture-6", radio call sign "Divan".
      1. Volkhov
        0
        19 October 2011 02: 13
        He served 1,5 years after graduation.
        1. 0
          20 October 2011 08: 19
          The rank of corporal of the stock.
    2. kesa1111
      +1
      19 October 2011 10: 59
      Served, and performed a dog waltz.
  16. USMC
    0
    19 October 2011 10: 47
    Reading the comments of those who served in our army, I am becoming more and more convinced that they remind me of people who understand that they have been deceived and now they are trying to deceive the others so as not to seem like idiots. Tell me what this school of life really taught you, what you can’t learn in ordinary life. What can a soldier be proud of now? He is beaten, humiliated, used as a free slave. force, and if he dies or remains disabled, the state will make every effort to pretend that it owes him NOTHING.
    1. +1
      21 October 2011 15: 40
      Quote: USMC
      Reading the comments of those who served in our army, I am becoming more and more convinced that they remind me of people who understand that they have been deceived and now they are trying to deceive the others so as not to seem like idiots. Tell me what this school of life really taught you, what you can’t learn in ordinary life. What can a soldier be proud of now? He is beaten, humiliated, used as a free slave. force, and if he dies or remains disabled, the state will make every effort to pretend that it owes him NOTHING.


      The peculiarities of life in the men's team, constant self-control, the ability to remain a person in any situation, the elbow and mutual assistance, the ability to obey the common goal, patience, a sense of belonging to the cause of defending the Motherland, respect from peers (who have been rejected, many now regret), older people as well as employers. By the way, I won’t discover America if I say that for some reason girls show genuine interest in the guys who have served, this is in their nature. Most of those who have not served in their ordinary lives may never find themselves in conditions where such qualities are brought up, but they may find themselves in a situation where these qualities will need to be manifested.

      Nobody beat me, did not humiliate me, I am proud that I served in the Russian Army. My colleagues of different appeals have almost the same opinion.
  17. peshehod_patriot
    -4
    19 October 2011 12: 52
    The guys and I dance in the street in the summer. And after one of our speeches, a man comes up to us and starts talking. I say "a warrior" and asks the question: "Have you been in the army?" To which I replied that no, and I am not going to. And he indignantly: "why ?!" I next say: "What can you teach me in the army?" He replied: "Hold a machine gun or a pistol." And I said to him: "But you won't teach me how to shoot ?!" He was either thinking or not finding what to say. And I followed: "You know, I know how to sweep and remove snow without an army." That was where our conversation ended.
    1. 0
      19 October 2011 21: 10
      here you will then clean the snow from the pendos and clean the toilets when they come to us. just tell you they don’t say heh --- you won’t tell me because I’ll certainly not stand such cattle against the wall and the whisker, and in the newspapers they write-aided with alkaida and were destroyed by a tomahawk rocket, although at that time you were scrubbing the toilet and stared at the Niger heh --- p pissing nearby! Have a good future-losh --- ra !!!!
      1. Gosta
        +4
        19 October 2011 21: 19
        That's just like you out there and clean wink you are no longer suitable for anything digrod wink
        1. 0
          20 October 2011 08: 26
          gosta i'm proud of you! Really the comments raped the action ?!
  18. +2
    19 October 2011 16: 42
    When asked why a bunch of bitches- From this pile of bitches at least someone will experience the taste of soldier life on the skin, you will look at the attitude to the army, otherwise the artists didn’t serve themselves right now, but they play the roles of heroes, or in the government and the thought of% 50 for sure did not serve
    1. Gosta
      -5
      19 October 2011 17: 28
      Ah, I went to the army and there they will teach you to be an actor and be a deputy. Army g @ vno.
      I do not intend to lose a year of my life.
      1. -1
        19 October 2011 21: 11
        to help peshehod_patriot step march nerd!
        1. Gosta
          -2
          19 October 2011 21: 18
          Yes, you are a great fighter, probably, because of such a stupid cattle as you, they make resorts "without Russians" and they do not respect our country, go read books on cultural studies, which may come in handy, you will be able not only to gnaw seeds on your heels wink you pathetic bol @ n wink
          The main thing for a real soldier is the head, and you only eat into it.
      2. oper66
        +2
        20 October 2011 00: 48
        so women don’t call, they voluntarily go and you are a middle-class scumbag resorts you love
        1. Gosta
          0
          20 October 2011 01: 03
          Yes, who doesn’t like them then enti resorts smile you have to rest normally at least once a year smile
      3. +2
        21 October 2011 15: 43
        Gosta, I'm sorry, but g @ but it's you. I can defend my point of view as you like.
  19. 0
    19 October 2011 21: 24
    aha, I’m also going to defend a thesis on technical sciences, I’m going to feed her brains lol
    1. Gosta
      0
      19 October 2011 23: 20
      Handsome, I defend myself in those sciences in a year, I'm a radio technician, and my specialty is information security of telecommunication systems. So do not assume that you're the only one so smart here smile
  20. 0
    20 October 2011 00: 17
    request GEOINFORMATION SYSTEMS and signaling means for detecting ... very good! smile specialist. 20.02.14/XNUMX/XNUMX
    1. Gosta
      0
      20 October 2011 00: 27
      Well, at least in something we agreed smile
      1. -1
        20 October 2011 00: 39
        and where did you live?
  21. -1
    20 October 2011 00: 38
    no need to say...... smile
  22. mind1954
    +1
    20 October 2011 05: 43
    Back in the late 60s, wives of lieutenants
    complained to the generals that they
    they don’t see their husbands, because
    day on flight with soldiers !!!

    And when I watched the movies:
    "Maxim Perepelitsa" and "Soldier
    Ivan Brovkin "I have contradictions
    never arose!
    I saw such soldiers and such officers!

    There were, of course, accidents,
    but they were really miserable
    technical cases.
  23. +1
    20 October 2011 09: 17
    In my confirmed opinion, tales of humiliation and beatings in today's army are fed mainly by those who did not get there "ill", having bought off further down the list.

    Currently, I have 8 of my friends / colleagues. Geography of Hoo: BSF, MVO, LVO. A Marine, two telecoms, a rocket pilot, an airfield technician, an armored personnel carrier driver, two infantrymen. I keep in touch with everyone, no one complained about non-contracting, on the contrary, he asked this question himself. Basically, they answered that there was no time for this. When they are busy (and it turns out that everyone is busy), there’s no time left for bullshit under the conditions of one year of service. Maybe the parts are, I will not argue.

    On the other hand, not so long ago I had a conversation with one creature who was expelled from the 5th year of the university. In our time, you have to try, especially with a paid one, but it worked out. I asked him about the army. The answer killed: "With my bad luck, I will most likely get into a hot spot, so I won't." I, to put it mildly, fucking. Then he asked where we have hot spots now. He thought for a long time, then squeezed out "Well ... to Abkhazia." All. They sailed.

    So basically these nonsense spread such here amoeba. Which cowards initially, but in order not to look like the final m, invent such excuses and compose fairy tales.

    Corresponding now in ICQ with the Marine. I asked the same question. Here is the answer:

    Raven 20.10.2011 09: 14
    what a fucking hazing we are chasing before the teachings so that barely living now in dress we have a rest in kind our again on 15 km went with a full display of contracts no longer pussy on us silently dragging if
  24. SAVA555.IVANOV
    +2
    20 October 2011 16: 24
    Served in the military means to serve the elderly and children, mothers and fathers, sisters and brothers SO real man loves his family, friends and compatriots, SO HE SHOWS HIS GIRL THAT DEFENDING home, he protect her and their children and he is worthy of being a father AND HUSBAND !! !!
    1. +3
      21 October 2011 15: 45
      Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
      Served in the military means to serve the elderly and children, mothers and fathers, sisters and brothers SO real man loves his family, friends and compatriots, SO HE SHOWS HIS GIRL THAT DEFENDING home, he protect her and their children and he is worthy of being a father AND HUSBAND !! !!


      smile For some reason, not everyone understands these simple things.
      1. legleleg
        0
        30 March 2012 09: 57
        at 18 years old it’s hard to understand, especially in the construction battalion
  25. moment1978
    0
    23 October 2011 17: 17
    My young colleague came from the service a year ago. His stories are “the first 2 months in the unit I had to“ patch up ”at night; I fired from a machine gun 10 times; but overall it was cool.” He served in a closed unit of signalmen.
  26. Ruslan777
    0
    7 November 2011 23: 08
    Mr. Eagle Owl, you live in Russia, but you don’t understand this country wisely)))
  27. Artemka
    0
    24 November 2011 16: 06
    How then to understand it, what place?
  28. sashalenovo
    +1
    5 January 2012 15: 55
    Everyone needs free labor, even the army. Any work must be paid. Hence all the problems.
    A people who do not want to feed their army will feed a stranger. (Suvorov)
  29. Barbarian
    0
    11 January 2012 20: 05
    served 2 years in the Strategic Missile Forces, cleaned the machine gun 4 times, shot 3 live cartridges and 3 blanks at the funeral at the shooting range. I have perfect command of BSL
    I do not think that I dragged the term in vain.
    Threat. I didn’t want to get into such an army
  30. MAD. 75rus
    -1
    27 February 2012 04: 47
    The army, no matter how cool the school of life, here only get stupid and whiners, well, and all sorts of other stupid people who in civilian life bend out of myself, I'm not me, but in fact, a bag of shit, don't get up, don't sit down "don't sleep .... don't subdue "! Where I served at least! So simple guys are afraid of nothing, everything they need to show, tell, teach! Everyone who whines that the army is badly silent for what they beat and mock them - yes, because they are weaklings, whiners and act very bad with my comrades !!! There was a case I remember in my squad the soldiers ate sweets near the officers so that the comrades did not ask, so the officers themselves jerked him off))))))
  31. 0
    27 February 2012 05: 13
    I am their family with at least 7 generations of officers. I could not enter the school, because "color blind". I do not see the numbers in those little books that show ... It was a tragedy. Graduated from the department.
    My friends, who served, returned from the army as adult peasants, judicious, responsible, and strong in spirit. And we, who did not serve, remained boys. So the army, at least a year, is needed by the Russian boy for sure. Even if they shoot 3 cartridge for the whole service.
  32. legleleg
    +1
    30 March 2012 09: 53
    He served in the construction battalion in 91-93. Never shot. The machine gun was only seen at school on NVP. At school I wanted to be a military man and enroll in a military school. In the army
  33. +1
    3 December 2012 00: 21
    I served 3 (1966-68) years and am grateful to the Army for the ability to work in a team instilled in me. And about hazing, I will say: it is from idleness. If you are busy 14 hours a day with combat work, then hazing has nowhere to come from. In my platoon, the "old men" were distinguished by the fact that they took on the most difficult work and responsibility for the overall result.

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