Director General of JSC "ICS them. Reshetnyova "spoke about the impact of sanctions on the production of spacecraft

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Over the past few months, import substitution has been one of the main topics. Due to the deterioration of the international situation, Russian enterprises are losing the opportunity to purchase foreign components, which is why they have to master the production of their own analogues. An import substitution program exists and is being implemented, which, it is said, has already led to some results. However, in a number of areas, the situation leaves much to be desired.

9 June, RBC news agency published an interview with the Director General of Information Satellite Systems JSC. Academician M.F. Reshetnev Nikolai Testoedov. The general director of the company spoke about some features of the work, the current state of affairs and prospects. At the same time, in the spirit of the times, the interview began with the question of sanctions by foreign countries. As it turned out, the deterioration of the situation in the international arena can seriously hit some sectors of the domestic industry due to a rather large dependence on foreign partners.

According to N. Testoedov, in terms of sanctions, the greatest risks are observed in the supply of foreign element base, namely, electronic components of the highest quality, the level of space-military. Such components are calculated for operation in difficult conditions, primarily in open space. Such products, regardless of the similarity with the "normal", can be hundreds of times more expensive than it. By production of these accessories special materials and technologies are used, and the finished goods pass special special tests. Unfortunately, now Russia has lost access to most of the names of such products, since they are manufactured in the United States.

Director General of JSC "ICS them. Reshetnyova "spoke about the impact of sanctions on the production of spacecraft
In the shop of JSC "ISS them. Reshetnev." Photo Iss-reshetnev.ru


The Director General of Information Satellite Systems (“ISS”) notes the highest dependence of its production on imports. N. Testoedov said that from 25 to 75 the percentage of components used in the manufacture of spacecraft is supplied by foreign partners. The exact share of the import element base depends on the destination of the satellites. So, in commercial devices the number of domestic components is noticeably less than in the military.

The main foreign suppliers that collaborated with ISS were companies from the United States. They account for up to 83-87% of all imports. The reason for this leadership of American components N. Testoedov called their high quality and the desire of “ISS” to receive only the best products of foreign manufacture.

In connection with foreign sanctions, the domestic industry was left without some necessary products of foreign production. Commenting on this situation, the Director General of Information Satellite Systems noted that from the point of view of risk exposure, existing projects can be divided into three categories. The first, which does not risk anything, includes spacecraft and launch vehicles, which are already fully equipped with all the necessary products. Also in relative safety, satellites that will be launched after 2019 of the year. They are initially developed taking into account the waiver of components subject to sanctions.

The third category of spacecraft, satellites, which are planned to be built in 2016-17, is currently in the most difficult situation. Among these products are GLONASS satellites, as well as some vehicles ordered by various government departments.

N. Testoedov believes that there are many ways to avoid restrictions and prohibit imports. At the same time, he notes that it is necessary to remember the difference between import substitution and import independence. Director General of "ICS them. Reshetnev ”regularly reminds his colleagues that import substitution implies the replacement of foreign components with Russian ones, while the development of projects based on domestic or affordable imported products should be called import-independent.

The general director of "ISS" notes that domestic enterprises now depend not only on the supplied devices. There is some dependence on the mathematics embedded in them. In addition, there are some specific problems associated with the software used. N. Testoedov reminds that foreign design software contains not only a set of design tools, but also a base of modern components. Thus, the program literally suggests what elements should be collected from the new product.

Such an approach to creating projects is convenient and not critical, but only as long as there is free access to the entire element base. It was with this that Russian designers had to face in connection with the latest foreign sanctions. However, the domestic industry has taken some measures. After the introduction of sanctions, an analysis of the situation with databases and the availability of components was carried out. It turned out that some of the products recommended by the design software may well be replaced by another similar product. Thus, it was possible to replace about a third of the necessary components. In addition, part of the required products was unified. As a result, the list of necessary products was reduced several times. Now it contains about a thousand positions.

However, the search for alternatives is associated with some problems. N. Testoedov notes that the replacement of components by analogs, according to various estimates, will lead to an increase in the size and weight of finished products by about 30%. Despite this, the functionality and parameters of the spacecraft will be maintained at the required level. In such a situation, there is little good, but so far it is possible to meet all the requirements of customers.

The general director of ISS is forced to admit that there are serious problems in the industry. Due to difficulties with the supply of components, the deadlines for the implementation of some orders may noticeably move. Some projects will be completed approximately two years later than originally planned. All this is due to objective reasons. Due to the sanctions, domestic specialists now need to purchase alternative components, develop and assemble devices based on them, and then test them. All this will take some time.

From the words of N. Testoedov, it follows that such problems in general are not a novelty for domestic specialists. The fact is that the development and production of spacecraft, even without sanctions, is a long and complicated matter. The production of a serial satellite now takes 3-4, depending on the complexity of the work. The development of a new project can take up to 15 years. In this case, the element base changes every 5-7 years. In practice, this means that by the end of the project development, it is necessary to change some components to more modern products. Thus, a kind of current import substitution is always present in the industry. The current sanctions only strengthened this process several times.

As you can see, the domestic industry is taking all necessary actions to preserve the production of the necessary products with the refusal and replacement of components that fell under the sanctions. Unfortunately, the current import substitution may be associated with certain difficulties. Thus, in the context of the production of spacecraft by the Information Satellite Systems company, such projects are faced with an increase in the size and weight of the finished products, as well as a shift in deadlines.

Nevertheless, as follows from the words of the Director General of ISS, the main problems are now connected with the projects of satellites that will be built in the next few years. The development of these projects is already well underway, but now it is faced with the absence of a number of important components. As a result, most of the documentation will now have to be redone to reflect the new conditions. The result of this will be a noticeable time shift to the right.

In connection with the deterioration of the international situation and sanctions against Russia, an import substitution program was developed. Over the next few years it is planned to master the production of several thousand items of various products that are needed by the defense industry and other industries. How successful this program will be - time will tell. While there is reason for both optimism and concern.


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  1. +5
    19 June 2015 06: 38
    supplies of foreign element base, namely electronic components of the highest quality, space-military level.

    The use of these products is already pulling on an article for Treason. am
    Especially here:
    Among these products are GLONASS satellites

    Now it is clear why some of the GLONASS satellites operate on "non-sea".
    Unfortunately, now Russia has lost access to most of the names of such products, since they are produced in the United States.

    Glory be to God!
    Such equipment should be done only by oneself or in cooperation with allies.
    This is if we talk about satellites for themselves.
    And for foreign customers that they want to put something.
    1. +3
      19 June 2015 17: 58
      "Using foreign electronic devices ..."
      What does the "article" have to do with it?
      - For more than 20 years they called for international cooperation, for several years the WTO, "our partners" and so on
      E-class millitary-industrial-space, of this level, with 2010 can do ours ... Only trouble: cost. If they have prices of tens / hundreds of thousands of $, with such a volume = we will be even more expensive.

      "" Glonas "
      - eb mostly China and Taiwan. American would be more expensive at times, but more reliable.
      The trouble = the Americans themselves do not produce this, old.
      "This ... do it yourself"
      - and the basis? Polastiny arsenide galium, silicon?
      Makes China, Taiwan
      - what would "do" you need equipment. We are not Israel: we didn’t sell it before, and now we won’t sell it.
    2. +1
      20 June 2015 15: 55
      Quote: prosto_rgb
      The use of these products is already pulling on an article for Treason.

      If they were not to be used, the homeland would no longer exist ...
      Quote: prosto_rgb
      Especially here:

      What's the difference? Where to use, Russia is very far behind in terms of high-precision production, in some places it is still possible to keep the bar due to Soviet developments, but the satellite industry is not one of those ...
      Quote: prosto_rgb
      Now it is clear why some of the GLONASS satellites operate on "non-sea".

      It seems to me that not the Americans are to blame for the fact that radio waves do not penetrate the seabed ...
      Quote: prosto_rgb
      Glory be to God!

      As I understand it, are you glad to put a fat cross on the domestic space?
      Quote: prosto_rgb
      Such equipment should be done only by oneself or in cooperation with allies.

      Who is this with? China, India and other Asians buy satellites in the west ... Only China has an elementary base for the production of some components.

      Quote: prosto_rgb
      This is if we talk about satellites for themselves.

      If everything was done in your words, we would not have satellites at all, or would have been, but decades behind the rest of the world, and it is not known what is even better ...
      PS: read somehow Charles Strauss's “Sky of the Singularity”, there is a pretty similar problem.
  2. +1
    19 June 2015 06: 46
    radiation resistant electronics needed
    1. Shur
      0
      20 June 2015 18: 02
      Perhaps you just need to urgently remove the scoundrels from different "nano" and their patrons from power. Take domestic kulibins from among real developers and give them freedom of action within the approved budget. For example such
  3. +11
    19 June 2015 07: 03
    When over the past 25 years, everyone who was supposed to think about the development of our industry thought only about their own pocket, there could not be another. As a result, time was lost, technology was lost or not created, money went over the hill for purchases from there and part for rollbacks from there ...
    1. +1
      19 June 2015 18: 27
      But the Communists (KPRF) did constantly warn the current ruling individuals that technological dependence on the West is very dangerous, that it is necessary to develop their electronics. But all in vain. Putin does not want to listen. Live one day.
      1. +1
        20 June 2015 14: 14
        Quote: ICE
        But the Communists (KPRF) did constantly warn the current ruling individuals that technological dependence on the West is very dangerous, that it is necessary to develop their electronics. But all in vain. Putin does not want to listen. Live one day.

        no need to invent out of the blue !! Especially "Putin is to blame for everything"
        It is he who is just trying to raise production with little blood (with the help of the state) = but at the same time he does not fall into the situation of the Soviet era, when, give me enough, do not make responsible, and finally all fools.
        Adults usually work and see the ATTITUDE of workers to their work, it often happens that workers are concerned about production, but as often happens to the BOOKERS (read to the owner) this nafik is not necessary, extra spending, and ... until it runs into a "fried rooster" "
        Then running around, Putin said bluntly, there will be no return to the State Planning Commission, in the direct sense of the word, but it is necessary to plan something wisely. Well, what is the fault of GDP? That our entrepreneurs are not doing anything? (according to the same DAM)
        The fact that the Communists forgot their true destiny? (Service to the people, I remind you who do not know or forgot) What is the fault ??
        There are a lot of problems in the country, but the communists, as a rule, limit themselves only to criticism, rarely any of the travel guides will take a place in the government - a simple example, the magazine "Za Rulem" has been successfully fighting for its topic for a long time, by the way, but something is not heard so that the communists use their influence and resources in the fight against corrupt officials, right, it is very dangerous, they can beat off the teapot's spout = but this directly affects their support among the people.
    2. Shur
      0
      20 June 2015 18: 13
      Yes, that’s exactly even worse. These gentlemen were not bad at impudently selling the most interesting developments for pennies in fact. For example V.V. In one interview, Shkondin directly tells how he was a curator of industrial development in the Russian Federation, stupidly pushed his technology in the United States, entering the credibility of the inventor.
  4. +4
    19 June 2015 07: 29
    no offense will be said ..... But let the gentlemen with Reshetnev's mouths shut! kickbacks when they took .. did not think.
    and now they remembered what was needed! So far they have not taken Faberge and the situation has not bent.
    Now let them move, they don’t blame anyone!
    1. romajohn
      +1
      19 June 2015 11: 34
      It is possible in more detail what kickbacks did ISS JSC take?
  5. 0
    19 June 2015 07: 30
    Quote: Tartar 174
    When over the past 25 years, everyone who was supposed to think about the development of our industry thought only about their own pocket, there could not be another. As a result, time was lost, technology was lost or not created, money went over the hill for purchases from there and part for rollbacks from there ...

    Truth, Truth and the wall, If before they said "abroad will help us", now you can safely shout - all hope for the ginger cat and his RUSNANO. Or maybe hope does not die last and concentrate the efforts of science and industry on the right business, or again reforms in the spirit of Medvedev-Pudrin.
    1. 0
      19 June 2015 10: 28
      Quote: valokordin
      now you can safely shout - all hope for a red cat and his RUSNANO.


      Worse than the enemy and no need to look ...

      Give the opportunity to destroy what has not yet been completely destroyed ???

      PS Interestingly, just about NANO and Skolkovo Reshetnev did not even mention in passing ...
    2. 0
      19 June 2015 18: 00
      Redhead with Rosnano did nothing.
      Even the tablet for schoolchildren has been predicted.
      Is that a "nanotank" .... So no one can find it, he's nano
  6. +2
    19 June 2015 08: 58
    Vacuum radiation-resistant microelectronics. Krasnoyarsk University.
    http://vpk.name/forum/s174.html
    If there is no sabotage, then you can break forward.
  7. +1
    19 June 2015 08: 59
    A second, even stronger blow is being prepared with sanctions.
    .. "The content of the new package is known in general terms, but this is impressive - the sanctions" can lead to restrictions on fuel exports from Russia "," some Russian banks will lose the ability to conduct a number of international financial transactions ", and" some enterprises will not be able to participate in transactions abroad. "And in the event of" serious violations "will be imposed tough financial sanctions, including the disconnection of a number of Russian banks from the SWIFT system. In addition, Washington insists on the adoption of restrictive measures against foreign subsidiaries of Russian companies, as well as against new sectors of the economy (including against the mining industry and mechanical engineering). Restrictions in the energy sector may include sanctions against businesses engaged in the exploration of gas fields or the production and adjustment of equipment for the extraction and transportation of shale oil, RBC reports, citing AP.http: / /www.vz.ru/politics/2015/6/19/751577.html
    1. +1
      19 June 2015 10: 31
      Quote: Vladimir1960
      A second, even stronger blow is being prepared with sanctions.


      Well, now, to die, or what ???

      This is when a fucking economic model that cannot be mobilized comes into play ... That's what these "friends" were leading us to ...

      There is a way out of this situation, but neither the boyars nor the President will take the necessary measures ...
  8. +1
    19 June 2015 09: 50
    Not only are there limitations on the functionality of the element base ... no one will sell a super-duper, there are various kinds of "black doors" in processors, how many scandals there have been in the USA with products from China, our situation is clearly even worse ... The nastiest thing is there is no secret about the capabilities of the satellite.
  9. +1
    19 June 2015 10: 25
    "Nevertheless, the search for alternatives is associated with some problems. N. Testoedov notes that replacement of components with analogues, according to various estimates, will lead to an increase in dimensions and mass of finished products by about 30%. Despite this, the functionality and parameters of the spacecraft will remain at the required level. In such a situation, there is little good, but so far it has been possible to meet all the requirements of customers "...

    Actually, this was to be expected ...

    Regrettably, we were thrown back to the level of Soviet times, when Soviet microelectronics met the requirements for it, but it was rather cumbersome ...

    It is annoying that back in Soviet times, microelectronics was not given proper attention ... Well, already in the 90s ... minds ran away, the base collapsed ...

    Now, in any case, it is necessary to talk about import substitution, primarily implying in the future, in its development, import Independence ... In everything, not only in microelectronics ...

    Well, now there’s nothing to talk about the deadlines ... It’s better to start doing IT today than tomorrow, then these deadlines will shrink ...

    Not all brains have leaked ... So you need to create ALL conditions for competent and proactive youth, to interest them both morally and financially ... And I’m sure that in five years we can get a striking and positive result ...
    1. +1
      19 June 2015 11: 02
      These calls to create their own resemble stories with the creation in the USSR, and then Russia, of a car, plane, computer no worse than Western models. But in the end, a faint resemblance of these products with even worse characteristics was obtained. As a result, they spat and just began to buy a western one.
      1. +1
        19 June 2015 18: 21
        In genetics, cybernetics, many technologies of the Chemical Industry, mechanical engineering, metallurgy were ahead of the rest. many lagged behind a whole generation. But they found oil in Siberia ... After that, they began to save on development and construction of factories. And how tightly hooked, Jackson-brooms, KOKOMs, etc., such as amendments and sanctions appeared, which led to the appearance of Soviet computers and calculators, but lagging behind the Western ones.
        Here and now ...
      2. Shur
        0
        20 June 2015 18: 07
        This requires stability, and when was it in Russia over the past 200 years? Who allowed us all this? No, we have not been arranging the "masters of the world" for a long time, and therefore no one will give us time for development, and even more so for independence.
  10. 0
    19 June 2015 10: 31
    Here is a confirmation of what our electronic industry has been doing for the last 30 years and how the Russian Governments "ruled" this process. In general, do we have such an industry? On the groans of the Reshetnevites - no. Yes, and according to information materials, this term cannot be called a "copy" of Western productions at least 10 years ago. This is already "rotten" and is only suitable for equipping pressure cookers. And even then the size is unlikely to pull it.
    The logical result of integration into the global economy. It has always been - godly god, and Caesar kevarev.
  11. +3
    19 June 2015 10: 34
    And who was stopping them from thinking about the future. Why production was not being established in our country. Why were there only contacts with America, our archenemy, for the supply of these components. which is discussed in the article., had a good income, for the exclusion of supply contracts from America. And now they are crying. Previously, you had to think. Or at least buy with a margin.
    1. 0
      19 June 2015 14: 05
      Now sprinkle ashes on your head and look for the guilty occupation is unproductive. Pundits need to analyze what we can now and how to "catch up and overtake" what has gone for years to come and concentrate maximum resources on the chosen direction: economic, educational, information. At the same time, make full use of scientific and technological intelligence, simply copy it with understanding why it is SO and HOW should be in the near future. The idea may be chaotic, but I think it is clear to many. hi
  12. 0
    19 June 2015 11: 50
    Import substitution ... the word has become fashionable, just like a little earlier "innovative nanotechnology". Interestingly, in our government, at least someone understands that the world has become global long ago and not a single state (neither the United States, nor China) can produce absolutely EVERYTHING for itself. To produce everything for yourself will slide down to the level of North Korea. I do not call to give Crimea and lick the ass to the "West" in the hope of lifting the sanctions, but we will manage to shout completely to our own people, this is also a kind of hack. It is necessary to somehow build normal relations with both Europe and the United States, and with the closest neighbors, and confrontation with everyone will not lead to anything.
  13. +5
    19 June 2015 12: 07
    Somewhere in the very beginning of the 90s, I developed my chip. It was very curious.

    The basis for success was that in the All-Russian Research Institute of Television (Leningrad) a group of about 20 sensible specialistswho designed their base matrix crystals and design tools for them.
    They involved production first in the Baltic states, then in Svetlana.
    Their result was very amazing - they had a yield of workable crystals - 80%. For comparison, similar products of the electronics industry had a yield of about 5-10%.
    On such a crystal, all layers and structures were fixedly formed, except for the last metallization layer.
    This layer of metallization formed the final circuit - and my task was to create it (mixed digital-to-analog) with the understanding of what can be obtained from these structures.

    Now back to the space industry.

    Somewhere in the late 80s, half a million German marks were allocated for computers (personal computers and micro-WAXs) to create a direction for the development of microcircuits at the Research Institute of Physical Measurements (Penza). Half of the staff is immediately stolen (if you have questions - to the Chief Technologist and you can to his son).
    Next, a group of microchip developers is formed.
    Here there is a wild piquancy. The development of at least analog microcircuits is a job for circuitry aces. And they scored for this work then - don’t get anyone - people from the street. Initially, everything looked cool - this audience was sitting at the latest monitors and everything was in big promises.
    Us ordinary electronics developers have hinted to us - we already suck ..
    But over time, everything somehow quietly blown away and disappeared.
    What remains are questions.
    1. Here the developer-mud * k resorts to the leadership of the research institute and declares that he needs miniature. The design of the microcircuit for our laboratory stops and our resources are given to this weirdo.
    The humor is that his needs are about 5-10 microchips for 5 years, and in our project serialization was supposed.
    2. According to Electronics Design magazine, there were then XNUMX people with sufficient qualifications to develop analog microcircuits. And in our case, the bet was on random people.
    1. +1
      19 June 2015 13: 57
      It would be interesting to get some practical information - how much is now the minimum one-time launch at our domestic "silicone factories" (for comparison, and at foreign ones) and then subsequent packaging.
      1. +2
        19 June 2015 15: 21
        Why not push this problem practically
        There is such a site Habrahabr.ru. It is necessary to offer young people there that the state will pay for 1-2 attempts to test run its microcircuit at the "silicon factory". Let the Habr participants there discuss everything they can offer, get bunched up ... There is a strong interest in this topic

        The country's leadership could set out the tasks there and be closer to our most technically vibrant youth.
        As a referee, you can attract teachers and specialists.
        It is clear that in such a proposal, the near-term results necessary for the space industry are unlikely, but in the future everything can change.

        I’m a developer, and it’s always shocked me that in one case a large organization arranges a large chewing snot from some task, and in another case a small group achieves significantly brighter success.
  14. 0
    19 June 2015 14: 03
    Good! On the face of a bright demonstration of a roasted rooster :) And our "partners" - a low bow for the sanctions, a great move, just brilliant!
  15. -1
    19 June 2015 14: 48
    The whole snag in our production of liberalists is how they implement import substitution? And they implement it very simply — one importer is replaced by another. They just change the awl for soap, because Vymedev, Dvorkovich, shuvalov, manturs do not want to understand that import substitution is a domestic production, which must first be created. And they do not want to do this, create their own care and bear responsibility for it.
  16. 0
    19 June 2015 15: 35
    there is nothing surprising 25 years in the field of microelectronics almost did nothing ...
    ... it's time to take up the mind and do not Western counterparts but something a level higher ...
  17. +2
    19 June 2015 15: 46
    A good leader, mumbled all the blame, the Communists, the Americans, the Martians, and where was he? Was it convenient to work with the best? Now, puzzle over, well done Americans, who banned the supply.
  18. +3
    19 June 2015 20: 26
    Problems? The Russian Federation should remember the experience of the USSR. Everything must be taken THERE and without permission and then produced by ourselves, as the KGB of the USSR often and successfully did for our "military industry", and do not fucking stumble over any moral hooks. The world is cruel, and the government just needs to give the command "face". I am sure that there are many "hidden reserves" since Soviet times
  19. +1
    19 June 2015 21: 30
    Our production of satellites has never shone. Their life expectancy is many times inferior to the American, but this is important both from a military point of view and from a commercial point of view. Satellite services are a huge money market, and we need to make every effort to at least equal the Americans. Indeed, now we make 60% of all space launches, but we account for only 2% of the entire space services market.
  20. +1
    21 June 2015 07: 27
    "Nevertheless, the search for alternatives is associated with some problems. N. Testoedov notes that replacing components with analogs, according to various estimates, will increase the size and weight of finished products by about 30%. Despite this, the functionality and parameters of spacecraft will be In such a situation, there is little good, but so far it is possible to meet all the requirements of customers. "... to put it simply ... it will be a completely different pipelace.
    Components pull the whole chain ... the dimensions of the hull, the propulsion systems of orientation, the reserves of fuel components, solar panels ... the booster ... the rocket carrier which is all the big thing in the sky ... and that all has a cost.
    There are no entrepreneurs in Russia ... who would invest in the development of electronics ... it is easier for them to surprise the West with the purchase of an unnecessary mansion or yacht for fantastic money.

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