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Large landing ships of the Russian fleet

The issue with the supply to Russia of two amphibious helicopter-carrying ships "Mistral" turned into an interest in domestic developments in this area. At present, with almost 100% probability we can say that France will not transfer the already built Mistrals to Russia. Under these conditions, Nevskoye Design Bureau (PKB) has created a draft amphibious ship, which can become an alternative to French ships. In particular, a new universal landing craft of the Surf project developed by experts of the Nevsky PKB was presented at the stand of the Russian Navy’s main command as part of the Army-2015 forum held as a model.

This ship has a displacement of about 14 thousand tons with a draft of 5 meters and is able to carry onboard up to 8 helicopters Ka-52K and Ka-27 (29). The landing ship will be able to reach speeds up to 20 nodes, and its cruising range will be 6 thousands of miles, the autonomy of the cruise will be 60 days. The length of the ship will be 165 meters, width - 25 meters. The universal landing ship of the project “Surf” will be able to carry on board up to 40-60 units of various equipment and up to 500 paratroopers. UDC will be able to take on board four landing boats of the 11770M project or two boats of the 12061М project. At the same time, its air defense will be built on the basis of the Pantsir-M sea-based air defense missile system.

Construction of the first ship of the series is scheduled to begin as early as 2016, reports RIA "News"With reference to its source. At the same time, information appeared earlier that the Russian fleet would receive a new landing ship of a new generation by the 2020 year. About this in June 2015, said Vladimir Tryapichnikov, head of the shipbuilding department of the Russian Navy. According to him, the new ship will be several times larger in displacement than the BDK “Ivan Gren” (displacement of about 5 thousand tons), apparently Tryapichnikov spoke then about the UDC of the project “Surf”. Presumably, for the needs of the Russian Navy, an 4 ship of this type will be built.

Layout UDC "Surf".

It should be noted that the UDC of the Priboy project fits perfectly into the look of a modern landing craft. According to its main characteristics, it will approximately correspond to the main parameters of the universal landing craft of Holland of the type “Rotterdam” or “Johan de Witt”, which were chosen as samples. These warships also have a displacement of 14-16 thousand tons, are able to carry up to 500-600 marines and carry on board 6 helicopters and the necessary set of floating landing craft.

However, the Surf project ship is the future of the Russian fleet, this project has reached only the stage of the layout, and until its construction and adoption it can take quite a long time. Below we will consider the large landing ships that the Russian Navy will actually have or will soon have (Ivan Gren BDK should be accepted by the end of 2015).

BDK project 1171 "Tapir"

The large landing ship (BDK) of the ocean zone of the 1171 project (the cipher "Tapir", according to the NATO codification "Alligator") is intended for disembarking naval assault forces with military equipment on an unequipped coast with a small slope of the bottom, as well as the transfer of cargo and troops by sea. The ship is able to make landing amphibious units directly to the coast, and the floating equipment can be lowered into the water. The lead ship of this project, the Voronezh Komsomol member, was laid on February 5 1964 of the year on the stocks of the Baltic Shipbuilding Plant No. 820 Yantar in Kaliningrad. The ship was launched on July 1 1964 of the year. With all its shortcomings, it was the first in the Soviet Union BDK, which with the expeditionary battalion of marines on board could serve for a while in remote areas of the world’s ocean. For ten years from 1964 to 1974, the year in the USSR 14 ships of this project were built, which were produced in four different versions. For almost 20 years, the 1171 project ships formed the basis of the strategic landing forces of the USSR.

The ship had a total displacement of 4650 tons, the draft was 4,5 meters, length - 113,1 meters, width - 15,6 meters. The full speed of the BDK project "Tapir" was 16,5 nodes. The cruising range was 4,8 thousands of miles (approximately 8,9 thousands of kilometers). The autonomy of a large amphibious assault ship in terms of reserves of supplies and fuel (without replenishing it during a cruise) for the first ships of the series was 10 days, for subsequent ships - 20 days.

The landing device of the ship includes a nasal gate with a ramp, as well as a folding sealed lazport, located at the stern. Loading on the ship equipment can be made under its own power through the feed or bow landing device. For loading cargo on the upper deck or through the hatches in the twin deck on the ship there are special cranes. The landing of the landing force from the ship can be carried out afloat, and the non-floating equipment lands directly on the coast, while the minimum bottom slope should be 2-3 degrees (depending on the mass of cargo taken on board the ship). Above all, the BDK project 1171 could be used to transport ammunition, as well as to transport missiles in containers.

The power plant of the ship is diesel, it consists of two power units with 4,5 power, thousands of horsepower each (engine models differed depending on the ship version). The armament could also be different and consisted of a twin-mounted universal naval artillery mount ZIF-31B caliber 57-mm and two twin 25-mm guns 2М-3. Also on the ship were mounted two installations of the Grad-M multiple rocket launcher system designed to support the landing force. For air defense were supposed to be used MANPADS "Strela-3".

Project 1171 BDK could take on board up to 20 main combat tanks, about 45 armored personnel carriers, or 50 trucks and 300 to 400 troops. Members of the landing were located in two cockpits under the first and fourth twindeks. In addition, the ship could be used to transport goods, taking on board up to 1000 tons of various cargoes. In the bow of the ship was a compartment for armored vehicles, there was also a ramp closed by sliding gates. In the stern of the ship for loading and unloading operations was equipped with a folding lapport. The crew of the ship consisted of 69 people, including 5 officers (the crew of 83 people, including 7 officers and 11 midshipmen for the BDK Nikolai Vilkov, Pacific Fleet, 1990s). According to information from open sources, currently the Russian Navy has 4 BDKs of Project 1171 in service: 3 ships in the Black Sea Fleet and one ship in the Pacific Fleet.

BDK project 1174 "Rhino"

The BDK of the ocean zone of the 1174 project (cipher "Rhino", according to the NATO codification of Ivan Rogov) was designed to transport and disembark landing troops and military equipment both on the equipped and on the unequipped coast with a small slope of the bottom. The ship is able to land troops directly on the coast, floating equipment - on the water, non-swimming military equipment - with the help of special landing-landing craft, personnel of the landing with a portable weapons can also be landed ashore by helicopter.

In the course of the ship design work, on the orders of the Soviet Navy Commander-in-Chief S. G. Gorshkov, changes were made to the project, which ultimately led to the creation of a very original universal amphibious ship with a relatively small displacement. As a result of changes to the project, a dock chamber appeared on the ship, and the composition of the crew on board was increased. Changes to the project in the course of the work were made under the impression of the US Navy's program for construction of the Tarava-type UDC that is under way. In the course of all the improvements, coastal accessibility for the BNC project 1174 has become: for the bow gangway - 17%, for landing craft - more than 40%, for helicopters - 100%.

The ships of this project were built in the USSR from 1973 to 1988, in total, three such ships were built. The ships were laid and built in Kaliningrad at the Baltic Shipbuilding Plant No. XXUMX Yantar. Due to the constant changes in the project of the head ship of the series “Ivan Rogov” was ready only in the 820 year, after 1978 years after the issue of the technical specification for its design. In total, three such vessels were built in Kaliningrad: “Ivan Rogov” (14 year), “Alexander Nikolaev” (1978 year) and “Mtrofan Moskalenko” (1982 year). The first ship was decommissioned from the fleet in 1990. The other two were sent to the reserve in 1996 and 1997 respectively. After stories with the "Mistrals" in the press appeared information about the study of the issue of restoring ships and returning them to the Russian Navy.

The length of the ship project 1174 cipher "Rhino" was 157,5 meters, width - 23,8 meters, draft - 5 meters. The ship’s total displacement was 14 060 tons. Full speed - 21 knot, cruising range at 18 knots and a normal 4 fuel reserve is thousands of miles, with a maximum fuel reserve of 7500 miles. The power plant of the ship was a gas turbine and included two power units with 18 thousand horsepower each. each. The autonomy of the provisions reserves was 15 days when the paratroopers were on board the 500 or 30 days when the landing party was on the 250. The crew of the ship was 239 people, including 37 officers. To receive liquid and solid cargoes into the sea, the ship was equipped with special systems.

The armament of the ships varied depending on the modification and consisted of an AK-726 X-gun caliber of 76,2-mm caliber, two AK-630 6-XXMX-mm artillery mounts, two Grad-M rocket launcher systems, one SAM 30 missiles) and four Strela-20 MANPADS. On board the ship could be based up to X-NUMX transport helicopters Ka-3.

In the tank hold, the BDK and the dock chamber in the absence of swimming facilities in it could be loaded up to 50 PT-76, 80 BTR and BMP tanks, or to 120 vehicles. In this case, the equipment could be loaded on board in various combinations. Also on board it was possible to place up to 500 people of assault forces in several cockpits and four-seater officer cabins, or to place 1700 tons of various cargoes. For unloading of non-floating combat vehicles to the shore into the ship’s dock chamber, it was possible to receive up to 6 landing craft of the 1785 project or 1176 project. Either three landing hovercraft of the 1206 project or landing boats on the 11770 "Serna" air cavern.

BDK project 775

BDK project 775 for the needs of the Soviet fleet were built in Poland at the shipyard Stocznia Polnocna (Stochnja Polnochna), in the city of Gdansk. The ships were built from 1974 to 1991 years, in total there were built 28 ships of this project in three different versions. Initially, they were classified as medium landing ships (KFOR), but in 1977, they were retrained in the BDK. Currently, the ships of this project are the most massive BDK of the Russian fleet, forming the basis of the Russian amphibious fleet. The 15 ships of this type remain in service, and taking into account the Ukrainian BDK Konstantin Olshansky captured in 2014 by the Russian military, the 16.

Landing craft project 775 created to replace the BDK project 1171. The new ship was supposed to receive more powerful weapons and improved survivability, unlike the 1171 project, which was made on the basis of the bulk carrier. The ships of the 775 project were initially designed as a ship specially designed for amphibious operations. They were to occupy an intermediate position between the "Rhino" and KFOR. BDK project 775 have a length of 112,5 meters, width - 15 meters, draft - 4,26 meters, the ship's total displacement is 4400 tons. Full speed - 17,6 knots, cruising range up to 4 thousands of miles (about 7,4 thousands of kilometers), navigation autonomy - up to 30 days. As a power plant, two Zgoda-Sulzer diesel engines were used, developing 9,6 ths. Horsepower. each.

The armament of the ships of this project was different depending on the modifications. Initially, it was planned to install two twin guns of caliber 57-mm AK-725 with remote guidance. To increase firepower and air defense systems, an 775-mm AK-76,2 artillery mount and two AK-176М 630-X6-mm artillery were installed on ships of the 30М project. To suppress the coastal defense of the enemy and destroy its manpower, two launchers of the MLRS Grad-M were installed on the landing craft of the 775 project. The Strela-3 and Igla systems could be used as air defense weapons.

The ships of the 775 project were originally calculated on the transportation by sea of ​​a reinforced company of marines or 225 paratroopers and 10 tanks. The dimensions of the cargo compartment are 95х4,5х4,5 meters, and the ship could also take on board up to 480 tons of various cargoes. The paratroopers were located in several cabins, and the officers were in four-bed cabins. The crew of the ship was 98 people, including 8 officers.

BDK project 11711 "Ivan Gren"

The large landing ships of the 11711 project (according to the NATO codification of Ivan Gren) is a project of the new BDK of the Russian fleet, intended for the landing of troops, transportation of goods, military equipment and equipment. This landing ship is a further development of the ships of the 1171 "Tapir" project, while most of the ship design has undergone major changes. 11 June 2015 of the year at the Yantar Baltic Shipbuilding Plant in Kaliningrad, a groundbreaking ceremony was held for the second BDK project 11711 “Peter Morgunov”. The lead ship of the Ivan Gren series was laid at the Kaliningrad plant in December 2004, the ship was launched in May 2012, the transfer of the ship to the military is scheduled for 2015 year. In total, up to 2020, the Russian Navy should have received 6 ships of this type.

When creating a ship, much attention was paid to the conditions of crew and landing forces on it. The loading of military equipment onto a ship is possible in two ways: independently using a ramp, or using a port or deck cargo crane through a four-wing cargo hatch located in the upper deck. These hatches also allow you to ventilate the underdeck space when, just before the landing, the combat vehicles start the engines operating at idle speed, which leads to the filling of the landing space with exhaust gases. For loading and unloading operations in the cargo hatch area, the vessel has a crane with a lifting capacity of 16 tons and two boat cranes, designed to work with motor boats and lifeboats.

The total displacement of the BDK "Ivan Gren" is 5000 tons, which makes it the largest among all the BDK of the Russian fleet in service at the given time. Full speed is 18 knots, cruising range is up to 3500 nautical miles with 16 knots speed. The autonomy of swimming is up to 30 days. The crew of the ship consists of 100 people. The combat equipment is located on the tank deck inside the BDK; these can be either main battle tanks weighing up to 60 tons (13 tanks), or BMP and BTR (up to 36 units), or 300 landing troops.

Of the weapons on board the ship are two launchers of the MLRS Grad-M, two AK-630М 6х30-mm artillery mounts, and AK-176 universal artillery mounts of the 76,2 mm caliber. In addition, the ship provides for the basing of one transport-combat helicopter Ka-29. According to some information, the Igla-V complex can be used as an air defense weapon.

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  1. insafufa
    insafufa 17 June 2015 06: 38
    He has such a formidable look.
    1. avt
      avt 17 June 2015 09: 09
      Quote: insafufa
      He has such a formidable look.

      So what ? Here's what in fact? Do you think that the wunderwaffe of landing craft was created? One hundred pounds - "Mistral", imprisoned in the bow and castrated both in displacement and in functionality.
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      2. gjv
        gjv 17 June 2015 13: 05
        On June 15, 2015, at the JSC "Zelenodolsk Plant named after A.M. Gorky" (the enterprise is part of the group of companies JSC "Holding Company" Ak Bars ") in Zelenodolsk, the ceremony of the official laying of the second border patrol ship of the 1st rank of project 22100 (code" Ocean ") with the serial number 112 (the name has not yet been assigned) for the Coast Guard of the Border Guard Service of the FSB of Russia. Project developer - Almaz TsMKB OJSC (St. Petersburg) Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Dmitry Rogozin took part in the ceremony.
        The ship was laid down under contracts concluded by the Border Service of the FSB of Russia with OJSC Zelenodolsky Plant named after A.M. Gorky ”on April 24, 2015 for the construction of two border patrol ships of the 1st rank of project 22100 with serial numbers 112 and 113. Both ships should be delivered by December 1, 2019 to Murmansk. The cost of each PSKR is determined at 8,663772636 billion rubles.
        The lead ship of project 22100 "Polyarnaya Zvezda" (serial number 111) is being built in Zelenodolsk under the contract dated November 26, 2011. PSKR "Polyarnaya Zvezda" was laid down there on May 30, 2012 and launched on May 21, 2014. In May 2015, the ship was towed along the inland waterways from Zelenodolsk to St. Petersburg, where it is currently preparing to enter the factory sea trials. It is expected that the head PSKR will be commissioned in 2015. Earlier it was reported that the Russian Coast Guard plans, in addition to the lead ship, to order a total of five more ships of this project.
        1. gjv
          gjv 17 June 2015 13: 11
          According to contracts dated April 11 and October 9, 2014 with the Russian Ministry of Defense, the Zelenodolsk plant is to build a total of six Project 22160 patrol ships with serial numbers from 161 to 166 for the Navy, with the delivery of the head one in 2017, and the rest in 2018-2019 ( all ships are scheduled for entry into the Black Sea Fleet). To date, the first two ships have been officially laid down at the enterprise - Vasily Bykov (serial number 161, laid down on February 26, 2014) and Dmitry Rogachev (plant number 162, laid down on July 25, 2014).
          Dmitry Rogozin also examined the small missile ships of project 21631 (Buyan-M code) "Zeleny Dol" (serial number 634) and "Serpukhov" (serial number 635), which are being completed afloat at the Zelenodolsk plant - the fourth and fifth units of the project 21631 series, which are to be handed over to the Navy in 2015 and introduced into the Black Sea Fleet. The transfer of these ships to the Black Sea for carrying out factory sea trials and state tests is planned for July. Four more MRCs of this type are under construction at the enterprise - "Vyshny Volochek", "Orekhovo-Zuevo", "Ingushetia" and "Graivoron" (serial numbers 636 to 639, respectively).

          Small missile ships "Zeleny Dol" and "Serpukhov" of project 21631 (code "Buyan-M") being completed afloat at the JSC "Zelenodolsk plant named after A.M. Gorky ". Zelenodolsk, 15.06.2015 (c) Alsu Gataullina /
      3. Volganin
        Volganin 4 December 2015 12: 55
        He was not preparing to replace the Mistrals, but in addition to our existing large landing craft. And the Mistrals were prepared for the replacement UDC "Priboy". They are smaller, but there should be more of them. BDK With UDC it is not necessary to compare IMHO.

        Why attacked a man? He was glad that a new ship was being built. By the way, today it has already been built (undergoing tests) and another such Peter Morgunov has been laid. Nice ship. We just do not have enough of this hour to support our group in Syria. And the Mistrals did not grow together to talk about them ?!
    2. Civil
      Civil 17 June 2015 21: 43
      So far, the UDC is beyond our means ... well, it makes no sense,
    3. Ruslan
      Ruslan 18 June 2015 10: 54
      Well, the "surf" is really beautiful, but when will it be built? at least the head
  2. Magic archer
    Magic archer 17 June 2015 07: 37
    Peter the Great did the right thing when he sent shipbuilders to study in Europe. It’s also time along ours. The Koreans build Mistral analogs in two and a half years. And huge container carriers with a displacement of more than 100 mt, in two. The question immediately arises, why do we need 5- for this 6 years ?! Hands do not grow from there or is it just laziness ?!
    1. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 17 June 2015 09: 17
      Comparing Korea with Russia is not good at all. Firstly, Korean shipyards are located at other latitudes and, accordingly, they don’t have minus 40. This accordingly imposes a huge amount of energy consumption (electricity, gas, heating) and this is the price difference. Workers also work when The weather is worse than at plus five and above. During the post-perestroika period, the shipbuilding industry has lost a lot of highly skilled workers, as well as aging and destruction of equipment. Here it’s not worth the trouble to heat them up, in principle, in Russia we have this situation in all areas of production. So, you have to wait a bit - Recently, a lot has moved from the dead center.
      1. THE_SEAL
        THE_SEAL 17 June 2015 12: 01
        I believe that at one time, Americans invested a lot in the South Korean economy, which led to rapid development, including the shipbuilding industry. And the industriousness of Koreans as well.
      2. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 21 June 2015 12: 58
        Build In Kerch or Feodosia, Sevastopol. Latitudes allow. So far, not a single new warship has come to the Black Sea Fleet. Only words and promises -In 2011, will be part of the fleet .. at 12 ... at 13 ... at 14 .... Already 2015. Where are the ships of the submarine? Hand shafts are turned by files? No fellow citizens do this. And why did they buy Mistrals from the French ...? They risked it. But we ourselves can’t quickly build or don’t want to.
    2. Stas57
      Stas57 17 June 2015 09: 24
      Many reasons: technology, conveyor assembly flows, experience and yes, no hands, equipment, no middle link (90x failure) - either very young or old grandfathers.
      Well, everything has its time
    3. EGOrkka
      EGOrkka 17 June 2015 17: 52
      Until the roasted cock pecks ...... Peter-1 until no one began to cut the beards and did not blow a mustache. Apparently it's time for the beards .....
  3. EGOrkka
    EGOrkka 17 June 2015 08: 25
    Interestingly, and if from the front of the building to the end of the ship make a straight deck, how many helicopters will enter? (including lifts and related equipment?
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    2. gjv
      gjv 17 June 2015 12: 59
      Quote: EGOrkka
      Interestingly, and if from the front of the building to the end of the ship make a straight deck, how many helicopters will enter?

      + 3 helicopters. However, it is likely that the additional mass of metal will affect the speed and autonomy is not for the better.
  4. NEXUS
    NEXUS 17 June 2015 09: 00
    The problem is not in the Mistrals and their non-delivery to us. We need new shipyards, with specialists and designers. They are already announcing the construction of the first Russian aircraft carrier in the near future. And where to build it? And most importantly, how long does it take? So that something moves in our shipbuilding industry, we need specialists at all stages of production, we need shipyards and we need a concept.
    1. EGOrkka
      EGOrkka 17 June 2015 09: 11
      The question is precisely in the economy. If you do something, then taking into account a niche in the global economic structure: Korea-large-scale shipbuilding, China-trains on a magnetic cushion .... etc. Focus on military construction without a civilian segment - SUICIDE !!!
      1. GOgaRu
        GOgaRu 17 June 2015 09: 49
        The most ordinary Russian got up in the morning, brushed his teeth with an American toothbrush, smeared an American toothpaste on it, shaved with a German razor, washed with French soap, applied French shaving gel to his face, boiled water in a Swedish teapot, drank Brazilian coffee before adding Ukrainian cream, put it on Italian suit, perfumed with a French cologne, closed the front door with two English locks, got into a German car.
        I turned on the Japanese radio, chose the Europe radio station, broadcasting a British song, drove along the Russian road, swearing in Russian, bypassing Russian potholes and Russian potholes, bought two Big Tasties and Coca-Cola at McDonald's, came to office, put the car in a guarded parking lot with a Swiss alarm system and a Canadian video surveillance system. I took a Finnish elevator, entered an office with a sign "merchandising department", made a call on the American iPhone via the American GSM network, turned on the American computer IBEm with the American Windows operating system, entered the Internet, developed by the Americans, entered the web- an address in an American social network, went to his "ACCOUNT" and wrote in a blog: "WE WILL NOT LET THE WEST WORK RUSSIA!" (reply from the VKontakte page)
        1. EGOrkka
          EGOrkka 17 June 2015 17: 08
          That's about Ukrainian cream ?????? ...... I have never seen.
          1. GOgaRu
            GOgaRu 17 June 2015 18: 00
            That's about Ukrainian cream ?????? ...... never seen

            I haven’t seen it either. The text found on the Internet. In my opinion, the idea conveys well: our industry has completely weakened.
            1. EGOrkka
              EGOrkka 17 June 2015 18: 44
              You propose: what would we have done "Cossacks" and "Muscovites" up to now? The world has become global, and, accordingly, our economy has changed. Only the PSSh does not need this, they need a world controlled by them, this is the whole "hitch"!
            2. Dangerous
              Dangerous 18 June 2015 09: 25
              Everything in your post is too distorted and exaggerated. Minus for the fact that many things are far-fetched. In general, of course - globalization is now in trend
  5. Alex_59
    Alex_59 17 June 2015 09: 41
    Russia has never been a leader in shipbuilding. Take a guide on the composition of civil shipping companies - such were published in the 80-s. Duck, more than half of the tankers and bulk carriers were built in South Korea, Finland, Yugoslavia, Italy, and even were built in the UK and Japan. Only a small part was built in Kherson and the Baltic Shipyard. And now it will not work to become a leader in the field of shipbuilding. We have a certain percentage of the market, we must think not to lose it. It’s too fantastic to catch up with and overtake South Korea or Finland.
      UNFAMILIAR 17 June 2015 10: 46
      Quote: Alex_59
      Take a guide on the composition of civil shipping companies - such were published in the 80s. Duck, more than half of the tankers and bulk carriers were built in South Korea, Finland, Yugoslavia, Italy, and even were built in the UK and Japan. Only a small part was built in Kherson and the Baltic Shipyard

      If you are talking about the world, then you have forgotten Greece, Holland, the USA and Germany. And if the ships purchased for the civilian fleet of the USSR, then there was no South Korea in the USSR, but Denmark, the German Democratic Republic, the Federal Republic of Germany, the NDP, Finland, Bulgaria and even the Netherlands, and river Czechoslovakia.
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 17 June 2015 13: 28
        It seemed like a couple of Yu.Korei. I’ll look at the reference book at home and clarify.
  6. Mavric
    Mavric 17 June 2015 09: 59
    About 775 is not entirely true, the AK-630M 2x30 mm, the crew is staffed 75 people. Served on 775/20 ...
  7. loaln
    loaln 17 June 2015 10: 24
    What is not relevant now is the BDK. Without a powerful air cover, this is an easily hit "trough".
    BDK will be needed only as part of AUG. But this requires an aircraft carrier. Here on it and spend effort and money.
    1. Alex_59
      Alex_59 17 June 2015 13: 26
      Everywhere where the Russian Federation can (will) land troops in the foreseeable future, there is coastal fighter aviation. In Somalia, we do not plan to invade. So the aircraft carrier is offering to build for all lovers of this ship privately with personal funds.
  8. kig
    kig 17 June 2015 10: 47
    From the layout to the finished ship a huge distance.
  9. xomaNN
    xomaNN 17 June 2015 10: 56
    Something has quieted down a public case with the return of money for the Mistral. I would like to believe that I grew up. side without noise, "in full" with fines will force "windy free-prostitutes" to fork out for the development of domestic DCK "Priboev" This is already 60-70 billion rubles. There is something to fight for.
  10. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 17 June 2015 12: 41
    In my opinion, the main problem is that the USSR began to lag behind in the construction of landing ships. Nobody prepared large-scale landing operations, so the construction of the large landing ship pr. 775 was transferred to "fraternal" Poland, while they themselves built the unnecessary "hermaphrodites" pr. 1143 with their feeble Yak-38, APC pr. 1155, destroyers pr. 956, 5 types of nuclear submarines, etc. etc. Project 11780 of the Soviet UDC "Ivan Tarava" was ruined by departmental contradictions, so at the request of the Minister of Defense of the USSR Marshal of the Soviet Union D.F.Ustinov (apparently the smartest man was), in peacetime, tracking for enemy submarines in the ocean zone. And plus the "dislike" of the Soviet leaders for aircraft carriers, which they considered "an instrument of imperialism"
    And now, it has what we have:
    3 oldest large landing ships of pr. 1171, one of which "Orsk" (Black Sea Fleet) is under constant repair
    19 BDK pr. 775, which are "achieved" by the "Syrian express"
    and one, under construction for 11 years (laid down in 2004) "push-push" "Ivan Gren" pr. 11711, which is essentially a development of the ancient large landing craft of project 1171 of the 60s, with an added helicopter deck, which in turn is the development of the American tank landing LST during the Second World War.
    With the termination of the contract for the Mistrals, nothing like the UDC will shine for us in the near future, but from the development of the Priboy UDC, which still exists in the form of a model, to its introduction into the Navy, taking into account the construction time of other ships, it will take at least 5-6 years ... It is cheaper to buy UDC pr. 071 from the Chinese, or even easier to buy just a "box" and retrofit it at reporting shipyards.
    1. Aleksandr72
      Aleksandr72 17 June 2015 19: 18
      I was also very surprised by the fact that the outdated Ivan Gren large landing craft of project 11711 has been under construction in Russia for a long time. Why not build these ships, having previously modernized them to modern requirements:
      1. avt
        avt 17 June 2015 21: 03
        Quote: Aleksandr72
        Why not build these ships first after upgrading them to modern requirements:

        request laughing Because if
        Quote: Aleksandr72
        upgrading to modern requirements,

        then them
        Quote: Aleksandr72
        me, these ships:

        will not be at all - they will forget it as a nightmare and as a result, a project will appear quite an analogue of "Mistral", or a full-fledged UDC of the American type. production of ship turbines, which will be enough for everyone, or azipoda dates from "Vyartsilya" will be supplied.
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  12. ism_ek
    ism_ek 17 June 2015 13: 44
    The Mistral is a very large ship, which the Russian industry has not built since the days of the USSR. Naturally, the purchase of such a ship, along with all the technologies, was a serious step towards the construction of modern aircraft-carrying ships. Our industry has not built anything except frigates and patrol ships for a long time.
    It makes no sense to look for a replacement for Mistral among the Russian developments of landing ships. Compare the displacement and everything will become clear.
  13. Pauls_77
    Pauls_77 18 June 2015 09: 02
    For sofa analytes and stratagephs. And for those who do not know and do not understand the specifics of shipping cargo from point A to point B.
    First, the large landing craft of project 11711 "Ivan Gren" is sharpened for the main specific task - the transportation of a large amount of equipment / people and cargo / supplies to remote areas of the HF base (Kuriles, Kamchatka, Novaya Zemlya, etc.) where there are berth walls and the necessary infrastructure ... And there is no question of efficiency, i.e. urgency (2-3 weeks, taking into account loading / unloading), but there is a question of comfort / convenience.
    Second, for the main tasks of landing / assault on an un-equipped landing coast of equipment and equipment, the project 775 BDKs are designed.
    Third, UDC "Mistral" / "Priboy" and BDK / SDK, as they say in Odessa, are two big differences. UDC "Mistral" / "Priboy" are necessary both for working in conjunction with the large landing craft of project 775, and for independently performing the function of transferring a small amount of formation and equipment when the question is precisely efficiency (1-4 days, taking into account loading / unloading), as well as patrol / escort tasks.
    And fourth, BDK 1174 "Ivan Rogov" is an absolutely senseless and dead-end project, since it cannot fully fulfill the tasks listed above, as they say, not fish, not meat.
  14. Pauls_77
    Pauls_77 18 June 2015 12: 44
    I don’t understand people who put cons and explain why.
    I summarized the objective aspects of the projects. If it is not clear to anyone I can give more detailed explanations for each item.
    1. Throw
      Throw 18 June 2015 23: 48

      Pauls_77 EU Today, 12: 44
      I don’t understand people who put cons and explain why.

      And about the "pluses", then, there is no need to explain to the "strategists"?
      1. Pauls_77
        Pauls_77 19 June 2015 00: 59
        It was a joke. The smiley just didn’t. lol
  15. Maks7877
    Maks7877 18 June 2015 14: 57
    Good boats, balanced. Yes, and for our industry I think I can afford to master their production.
    For a pair of UDC for each fleet, I think it would be enough.
  16. Dam
    Dam 21 June 2015 23: 37
    And where are we planning to land a landing? I am for any ships, but for starters, all the same, I would start with destroyers, or frigates. Our fleet at the moment exists only to cover strategists up to the moment x, so we need to rest on the main tasks. Perfectionism, it's great, but so far the question of defense is, and with UDC you can wait, IMHO.
  17. Pauls_77
    Pauls_77 22 June 2015 05: 15
    Well, how do you have to force Indonesia or Papua New Guinea to peace !? But this is such a joke. For discussion, it is necessary or unnecessary. UDC needs to know the strategic plans and plans of the Supreme High Command and the General Staff of the Russian Federation. And this is very (I would even say very, very) secret information. Except for the information that is well known to all partners. repeat
  18. aviator1913
    aviator1913 22 June 2015 11: 37
    In what, in what, and in Surf I definitely do not believe. For the design, development, coordination of a ship of this class, a lot of time is needed in Russian reality.

    Surf is an analogue of Mistral, therefore, until the end of the 2014 year, no one put it on it, therefore they did not develop this project from the layout stage, therefore, to say that the Surf in the 2016 year will begin to build is pure fantasy.

    They just want to knock out money at the plant, taking into account that they will wait anyway, but they will start building at least a year through 3-5, and they will build at least 5 years. Hence 10 years to wait for such a ship.