The production process of the Su-34 fighter

The production process of the Su-34 fighter on the basis of the Branch of JSC "Aviation holding company Sukhoi Novosibirsk Aviation Plant named after V.P. Chkalova »

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[left-wing]

But what about shooting prohibited, etc., etc.? :) And the photos themselves are laid out. There, in the distance, the SSJ-100 F1, F5 and F6 compartments are even visible

[Geisenberg]

Quote: links

But what about shooting prohibited, etc., etc.? :) And the photos themselves are laid out ....

Don’t worry :) :) :) Those guilty will answer in all severity of the law: D: D: D

[countergenesis]

NAPO factory makes 16-18 planes per year, 200 pieces plan, taking into account already done
2010 - 4 pcs., 2011 - 6 pcs., 2012 - 10 pcs., 2013 - 14 pcs., 2014 - 18 pcs.
the plant can still work with these airplanes for 8–9 years, but in general it’s necessary to think that to release it, maybe even something civil, the same ms21 ...

[left-wing]

Generally, it is no longer NAPO, the name of "NAZ named after V.P. Chkalov"

[aleks 62]

..... Actually, it is no longer NAPO, they changed the name "NAZ named after V.P. Chkalov" ....

..... And he was Chkalov .... Riveted in due time SU-24 ....

[Corcap]

Everything was impressive! Especially YOUTH. The aviation industry has a future, the country has it!

[aleks 62]

..... NAPO plant makes 16-18 planes per year, a plan of 200 pieces ...

.... Zhidenko .... This is not KNAPO in Komsomolsk ..... And the size of the workshops is not impressive ....

[ILIA]

Zhidenko - the hand-made thing you wanted ... for volumes you need automation ..

[Vadim237]

There is nothing secret in these photographs; documentation with calculations and materials production is not shown there either.

[Garay dgonson]

Mom Americans have a purposeful sou27 bought, and documentation for it, so there’s no need to keep secret anymore.

[prosto_rgb]

Please enlighten what kind of devices.
Theoretically, I guess, but I would like to hear an explanation of knowledgeable people.

[ILIA]

on the other side the structure is attached .... some of the "rivets" will put the temporary huts removed ... the clamps are shorter ..

[oldav]

Interestingly they will ever be exported?

[donavi49]

To Algeria, maybe soon.

[Aleksiy]

Most importantly, there is no trace of desolation and the age of the workers is encouraging.

[left-wing]

There are really a lot of young people there, but at the same time it’s also a lack of experience, before the staff turnover was crazy, now I don’t know how to deal with it.

[Geemini]

Yes, I agree, many young, and even very young. And it pleases.

[svd-xnumx]

Most importantly, there is no sign of desolation and the age of the workers is encouraging

Yes, the newspapers in the West have recently been crucified that Putin’s plan to rearm the army will be covered since there are only pensioners left at the military factories, and here there are only a few people of retirement and pre-retirement age.

[andrei.yandex]

It is necessary to transfer the CNC machine tool park to the domestic base. The bourgeoisie began to master 3D printing of parts for aviation, at the Tornado in England not long ago they began to test a part made using 3D technology. So there is already a question about the transition to the next level of production.

[Alceers]

And since when did he become a fighter from a front-line bomber?

[Max otto]

Quote: Alceers

And since when did he become a fighter from a front-line bomber?

Apparently because of the information in the public domain: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D1%F3-34

Su-34 (T-10V product, according to NATO codification: Fullback - Defender) - Russian multifunctional fighter-bomber, also positioned as a front-line bomber [1] [10], equipped with front horizontal tail (PGO), two pilots are placed side by side. Designed for precision-guided missile and bomb strikes, including using nuclear weapons, at land and surface targets at any time of the day.
According to its combat capabilities, the Su-34 belongs to the generation of 4+ aircraft

[FID]

A fighter-bomber is an invention of Europeans and Americans who have no frontline bombers (F-111, a pleasant exception) ... The second one in the cockpit is not a pilot, in the truest sense of the word, it’s an operator of on-board weapons, controls the plane in extreme cases ...

[atos_kin]

Overkill. Lots of minor repetitions. Full "publicity".

[inkass_98]

Thank you for the review.
But the Su-34 is still not a fighter, but a fighter-bomber with an emphasis on "bomber".
And the motley clothing of the hard workers is striking - such a concern, and can not provide workers with normal and clean overalls. And some even work in T-shirts and tracksuits, which is not good at all.

[bionik]

Quote: inkass_98

And the motley clothing of the hard workers is striking - such a concern, and can not provide workers with normal and clean overalls. And some even work in T-shirts and tracksuits, which is not good at all.

Recently there was a selection (How to make a Kalashnikov assault rifle), there are also workers who are much more than that.

[The point]

Quote: inkass_98

And the motley clothing of the hard workers is striking - such a concern, and can not provide workers with normal and clean overalls. And some even work in T-shirts and tracksuits, which is not good at all.

Among other things, it’s also on the conscience of the worker himself. Some simply do not want to wear a robe or special issued. footwear. At KnAAZ, labor safety is vigilant for this, but all the same there are enough extreme people.

[Mavric]

Everything will be, but not all at once;)

[Ehanatone]

Collection98
If the work goes, then everything is OK!

[Good cat]

good report, only very large, barely screwed))

[Professor]

Great article. Very informative. "a plus".

A spoon of tar:
Where are the goggles? The bourgeoisie fired for such a violation.

Where is Rogozin looking? German machines ... How is import substitution?

And here it is ...

[left-wing]

There, to put it mildly, not very much, everything is there but they don’t wear it. As you can see in the photo when working with the crane should be in helmets, and there everything is without helmets. Import substitution? Ha! Yes, there such machines will not be done soon, they are delivered from Germany, Japan

[Bombardier]

Yes, in the best Soviet years, for aircraft factories, they bought machines for a rudge hedgehog.


professor (4) IL Today, 08:14
Where is Rogozin looking? German machines ... How is import substitution?

Now for ten years every clever man will sarcastically ask such questions - like he "washed" everyone with his murderous sarcasm and aroused universal respect.

[Professor]

Quote: Bombardier

aroused universal respect.

I didn't give a damn about your respect, but the clowns with "import substitution" are still driving this clown. I would not be surprised if, before their next visit, domestic stickers are pasted on the bourgeois machines.

[Bombardier]

What did you feel so sad with our clowns? Are there no clowns in Israel? Are you worried about all the former fatherland? That's where clownery..

[Professor]

Quote: Bombardier

What did you feel so sad with our clowns? Are there no clowns in Israel?

There are of course, but the mashtats are not the same.

[silver_roman]

as if the state is not on that scale!

[Ehanatone]

Professor
WHAT is so modest about clowns: look in the mirror - you will definitely see one ...

[Themi30]

What kind of clowning? building airplanes? So that's why you buy planes from the Americans, the construction seems ridiculous to you)) That's right, it’s better to buy gold toilets from the owner and laugh at Ivan the fool, keep it up!

[Professor]

Quote: TheMi30

What kind of clowning?

"import substitution"

Quote: TheMi30

So that’s why you buy planes from Americans, you’re building - it seems ridiculous))

Americans are cheaper

Quote: TheMi30

That's right, it is better to buy gold toilets from the owner and laugh at Ivan the Fool, keep it up!

Do not be so self-critical. By the way, we will not buy planes, we get them for free.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: professor

Americans are cheaper

Quote: TheMi30
That's right, it is better to buy gold toilets from the owner and laugh at Ivan the Fool, keep it up!
Do not be so self-critical. By the way, we will not buy planes, we get them for free.

Is it cheaper or free?

[Professor]

Quote: saturn.mmm

Is it cheaper or free?

There is a continuation for free on a scale of cheapness. That is to say, its highest degree. For this, 1000 small services are demanded from Israel "free of charge".

[The point]

Quote: professor

For this, 1000 small services are demanded from Israel "free of charge".

In general, whoever pays the girl dances her.
By the way, professor, have you tried to open a mud bath business? I think you have talent.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: professor

For this, 1000 small services are demanded from Israel "free of charge".

Everything is complicated in Israel. In your opinion, in the Middle East a big war is really planned and how soon, I do not mean with Israel?

[Professor]

Quote: saturn.mmm

In your opinion, in the Middle East a big war is really planned and how soon, I do not mean with Israel?

IMHO not soon. There may be a real war between Iran and the Saudis, but Iran will not rock in the next 10 years. He is still weak.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: professor

IMHO not soon. There may be a real war between Iran and the Saudis, but Iran will not rock in the next 10 years. He is still weak.

In Yemen, it’s not calm either, many Saudis do not like, they live too well.

[Scraptor]

probably they don’t like it because they still live incorrectly in holy places

bomb weak Yemen.

[just exp]

Professor, please explain to me the course of your thoughts, otherwise it honestly seems to me that they just hang out there and are not connected in any way.
tell me, the reaction in which part of your brain made you think that import substitution implies that we will throw out everything foreign?

[Professor]

Quote: just explo

that import substitution implies that we will throw out everything foreign

Hmmm ... Let's think my karoshiy Russian language ... "Import substitution" ...
Let's take it apart. substitution
A. Replacement of production and (or) consumption of one product by another, corresponding to the first product in terms of consumer properties and quality parameters.
B. The performance of duties of one official by another person during the absence of the first ...

For people like you: replacement of imported domestic !!!

Well, where is it?

[Argon]

Yes, in general, there is little that has changed since the late 80s. Yes, they saved, but modernized, well done, but the overall impression does not correspond at all to the aircraft building enterprise of the 21st century. An unpleasant aftertaste is caused by the process of assembling the aircraft itself, which, for 15 years as it should have been in the army, or a comparison of the assembled product with what I happened to see when the Su-32FN was assembled (There were composites present.) "a la the working days of workers in the aircraft industry of the USSR in the new 1990," and she told me, "but how did you all ask ... did you manage to do that ???"

[Simple]

Quote: Argon

Yes, they did, yes they did, well done, but the overall impression is completely inconsistent with the aircraft building company of the 21 century.

The production of military aircraft should also function during wartime.

[mQn]

you probably saw the production line for the first time.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: professor

And here it is

You have something wrong with the chronology, it’s obvious that this machine has a hundred years old comment from the bottom of the comment and the German ones are new.

[Vadim237]

German machines and the production of Ka 52 is not only because at the moment they are the best in quality and equipment.

[Harvest]

Oh, nostalgia.

Almost everything, like 30 years ago on the MiG-29 assembly. The same countersink, riveting. The same pneumatic tool of the Mytishchi plant with coiled blue duct tape hoses. The same quick-fittings, though still not all. Apparently all the same sealant and VK brush. And even the same K-701 as a tractor.
I am glad that the men HAVE WORK. I envy
It is depressing that there are no soundproof panels on the walls of the workshops - when riveted, the roar walks around the workshop so that the headphones do not save. Workers with a riveter and pneumatic drill do not have anti-vibration gloves on their hands. Poor - 10 years, or even less, work with pneumatic tools and disability.
There are almost no cloth and rubber mats and mats, people are roaming right around the car, not crime, of course, but an indicator of the culture of production.
Very few wooden gratings and floor drains at workplaces, an indicator of the level of concern for the health of workers, all work on concrete.

And thanks for the selection, as a young man visited.

[Roshchin]

How is the chip removed, because its smallest particles penetrate everywhere? Do not see the vacuum cleaners, or sweep away the brushes?

[Harvest]

Quote: Grove

How is the chip removed, because its smallest particles penetrate everywhere?

With a sweeping brush, then with a vacuum cleaner, in an extreme case and where it is not criminal - blowing with compressed air.

Quote: Grove

Vacuum cleaners not visible

I don’t know how now, but when I came to work at the Plant, I was very surprised to see what was called a vacuum cleaner there
This is not a vacuum cleaner in the usual sense.
An inch metal tube 50-70 cm long. From one end there is a cloth bag, and from the other a rubber hose nozzle. In the middle, at an acute angle in the direction of the bag, two tubes of a smaller diameter are welded to which a hose with compressed air is connected.

[Monastic]

Whatever it was, but the process is ongoing.

[inspection]

Judging by the dryness of the stocks, the positioning of the tool and the assemblers, the assembly school suffered. I did not see a single vacuum cleaner.
But cans from under canned food and rags on a floor are visible.
A noticeable disregard for allegedly secondary.
It characterizes.

[The point]

Yes, you are an idealist. Jars are most likely used as containers, which are always in short supply. At least we have it. A rag ... Then I agree.

[Harvest]

Quote: Verification

Judging by the dryness of the stocks,

Uh, my friend, you haven’t seen the stocked slipways. Everything is almost new here.

Quote: Verification

I did not see a single vacuum cleaner.

I don’t know how now, but when I came to work at the Plant, I was very surprised to see what was called a vacuum cleaner there
This is not a vacuum cleaner in the usual sense.

Quote: Verification

But cans from under canned food and rags on a floor are visible.
A noticeable disregard for allegedly secondary.

Yes you are a perfectionist. And we live in Russia.

[Vladimir]

Thank you for the photo selection, he once worked at a similar enterprise.

[Grigorievich]

At the dawn of his career, he arrived at the aircraft factory in Tbilisi as a student of a fitter. There they assembled the MIG21 pair. The workshop made wings and tail feathers. The thunder was from the hammers. But the most interesting thing was that there was a nook in the workshop where clamshells were assembled and they put me on the conveyor .Worked in three shifts. He withstood the month and quit. That's how I could not become an aircraft builder.
Comparison with modern is heaven and earth.

[ehan]

It seems that he should be happy, but it doesn’t work ... The artisanal production! Each airplane is produced manually, and there is no talk about any conveyor. The equipment is partly antediluvian, but the fact that everything new is not ours. The hard workers do not even have the same overalls! Compare with photos produced by F-35. Honestly, scary ... God forbid war, we will not be able to quickly increase the pace of production of high-tech weapons. It’s like I’m a patriot, but you can’t turn a blind eye to this!

[Taoist]

Hmm ... and joyfully and sadly ... on the one hand, nostalgia ... how much he himself spent on such productions at one time ... On the other hand, after all, almost nothing has changed ... but a third of a century has passed .. All the same plazo-template method. All the same hand riveting and fitting.
Yes, the plane is certainly not auto - you can’t cook it with robots ... but still modern technologies should work more efficiently. How many boards will a plant be able to commission during such a production cycle? What is the equipment production cycle? And the requirements for staff qualifications? I am more than sure that if production capacities alone will double production, then for this simply there will not be enough skilled workers. The old people became extinct - for the most part, young people are not eager for such a job ...

In general, it’s good that they build, it’s bad that they build a little, for a long time and in the old fashioned way.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Taoist

All the same hand riveting and fitting.

American fighters are also riveting by hand, by and large the assembly is similar, only the Americans are more fit, more than any devices.
In Russia, the most advanced aircraft equipment plant is Irkut, there are riveter robots and German production lines, it is very difficult to dig something along Komsomolskoye, Novosibirsk is the very last one undergoing technical re-equipment, it has just begun in fact.
(build F-35 click)

[The point]

Quote: saturn.mmm

in Komsomolsky it is very difficult to dig something

In Komsomolsk, it’s almost the same as in the pictures above.

[lelikas]

Quote: saturn.mmm

(build F-35 click)

Gottspodi - Americans, too, without the same overalls !!! :))))

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: lelikas

Gottspodi - Americans, too, without the same overalls !!! :))))

Yes, they come across without glasses, they also work with a hammer and a chisel with a file.

[Ehanatone]

Lalikas
You got these specials! ...

[FID]

Quote: Taoist

And the requirements for staff qualifications?

You will be surprised, but the riveter's henchman holds "support" (emphasis on "o") for the riveter for 3 years before he becomes a riveter himself. The riveter at the aircraft factory is a highly qualified person ...

[The point]

Quote: SSI

Riveter at an aircraft factory - a person of the highest qualification ...

Don't tell my slippers. In addition to the riveter, there are many other important specialties. And everyone gets a category, and the amount of work is approximately immediately after the "apprenticeship". Another thing is that no one will give a well-sized piece: neither the master, nor the mentor, nor the partner.

[Harvest]

Quote: SSI

You will be surprised, but the riveter's assistant for 3 years has "support" "(emphasis on" o ") from the riveter,

Well, here, Sergei, "not everything is so simple" Someone will not even be given support in their hands (well, there are such crooked hands), but someone in a year is given not only a riveting hammer but also a personal quality mark.

Quote: SSI

The riveter at the aircraft factory is a person of the highest qualification ...

Alas, it was a very long time ago.

[Cheget]

yeah ... the publication had the opposite effect. In some places it seems that enthusiasts are assembling a home-made hang-glider in the garage ... Above, a lot has been noted for sure about clothes, tools, a brown bedside table with a printer bought by tender ... And on the stand there is an inscription - "the main discipline"! But the truth is unadorned and everything will fly ... I hope the parachute did not open recently near Voronezh, not because of such assembly technology, but there were other reasons ...

[WUA 518]

Quote: Cheget

I hope the parachute recently near Voronezh did not open, not because of such assembly technology, but there were other reasons ...

Vague doubts torment the unopened parachute. We look at the photo, the parachute is clearly visible.

[Xoyuschka]

He worked at this enterprise for a whole year. It was 2008. Worked as a CNC operator. At that time they took just anyone there (they even took me). Shop # 3 was in complete ruin, all the machines are old, people have been working for over 50 years. Mostly they played cards ...) But then they began to invest money significantly. Using the example of workshop No. 3, I can say: they poured a concrete floor into some kind of rubber, inserted new plastic windows and ceilings, replaced almost all the machines with Shiron (Germany) and Haas (USA), recruited young guys with specialized education. Now, it is impossible to get a job even by pull. Previously, titanium was taken out in tons and scrapped, all and sundry, now you can't even stand a puck. Improvements are evident, not the same, of course, as many want, but they are

[Timburton]

I was in NAPO on a business trip in 2006. Compared to IAP, the technical equipment was lagging, there was no internal intranet, there was 1 computer per design or technology department, and usually the secretary had it. Most of the staff by age was close to retirement. We had the same symptoms on the IAZ in the 90s. Now looking at photographs, the eye and the soul are happy with significant changes in technical and personnel changes, as well as increased production volumes.

[jurijsv]

Beautiful plane

[Romanenko]

A good photo story, of course, it may even be too detailed, but explain this thing to me - lately there’s been some kind of absurdity in the press, then the Su-25 will be called a fighter, then the Su-24 will be an attack aircraft, now there’s an article about assembling a Su-34 fighter, Or am I beguiling something? Still, the exam makes itself felt ???
I’m not asking such questions for the sake of literacy, on May 8 in Russia-2 there was a video report on the rehearsal of the parade, there I also read interesting captions - Yars-rocket with solid propellant engine.
Guys, stop squinting!
Su-24 - a bomber;
Su-25 - attack aircraft;
Su-34 - a bomber;
Su-35 is a fighter.
Well, do not be confused please ....

[Argon]

The Su-34 is "officially" a front-line bomber, but in fact an attack aircraft, since only this platform contains a PRNK (on a domestic element base) capable of hitting ANY moving targets in any PMU. Thanks to the ability to use R-77 missiles, the machine (of course with certain restrictions on G) is capable of conducting all types of air combat, which gives reason to some scholars to call her a fighter.

[ivanovbg]

Interesting photos, thanks.

[Timburton]

Quote: prosto_rgb

Please enlighten what kind of devices.
Theoretically, I guess, but I would like to hear an explanation of knowledgeable people.

These are clamping clamps, play the role of technological bolts, they are only installed and removed instantly.

[Aleksandr2012]

Quote: professor

Great article. Very informative. "a plus".

A spoon of tar:
Where are the goggles? The bourgeoisie fired for such a violation.

Where is Rogozin looking? German machines ... How is import substitution?

And here it is ...

I completely agree!!! Such a responsible production, but what do I see? The cheapest workwear for hard workers, some have an adidas T-shirt. Rasp..sky appearance and neatness. Lack of remedies. Primitive hand tools and assembly technology. Maximum manual assembly. A lot of too young staff.

[Ehanatone]

Glasses, Glasses - The plane flies! ...