RPK-74 light machine gun and its modifications

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In the early seventies in the Soviet Union, a new low-impulse intermediate cartridge 5,45x39 mm was created. It had some advantages over existing 7,62x39 mm, such as less weight, less recoil impulse, increased direct shot range, etc. It was decided to transfer the army to weapon under the new 5,45-mm cartridge. Corresponding projects started in the mid-sixties. According to the results of the competition in 1974, several models of new weapons were adopted by the Soviet Army, including the RPK-74 light machine gun.

In the late fifties and early sixties, Soviet gunsmiths worked to create a new small arms with the maximum degree of unification. The result of this approach to the creation of weapons was the adoption of the AKM machine gun and the PKK light machine gun. These samples had a number of noticeable differences, but were based on general principles, and the same parts were used in the widest possible way in their design. The priority of the unification of weapons led to the fact that the characteristics of the PKK as a whole remained at the level of the “full-fledged” RPD light machine gun, but almost did not grow. However, the military wanted to simplify production and operation through unification, which led to the adoption of the PKK machine gun with the gradual ousting of the RPD.



With all its drawbacks, the idea of ​​unifying the machine gun and light machine gun was recognized as viable and expedient. For this reason, when developing weapons for a low-impulse cartridge, it was separately required to create two samples based on common ideas and components. About a dozen projects were submitted for the competition for the creation of a chambered cartridge 5,45х39 mm. Among other designers, M.T. Kalashnikov, who decided to continue the development of ideas that have emerged in the draft AK end of the forties.

The competition continued until the end of 1973. The competition itself and the proposed projects are of great interest, however, almost all of the samples were eventually found to be unsuitable for adoption and dropped out of the competition. According to the results of various field and troop tests, tests and comparisons, the winner of the competition was recognized as a complex of weapons developed by MT. Kalashnikov. At the very beginning of 1974, the AK-74 assault rifle and the RPK-74 light machine gun unified with it were adopted.

Kalashnikov weapons under the new cartridge was a modified version of the previous systems. However, the draft machine gun RPK-74 can not be considered a simple remake of the previous PKK. In addition to compatibility with the new patron, engineers had to solve a lot of various technological and structural issues. Thus, RPK-74 should be considered a direct development of the ideas embodied in earlier developments.

However, two machine guns developed by M.T. Kalashnikov turned out very similar. The use of existing ideas has led to the fact that, according to the general architecture, the RPK and RPK-74 light machine guns hardly differed from each other. Both samples had a similar design of different units, as well as the same layout and general principles of operation. Like other Kalashnikov designs, the RPK-74 machine gun used gas automatics with a long piston stroke.

RPK-74 light machine gun and its modifications


All components and assemblies of the RPK-74 machine gun were placed inside the receiver or attached to its outer part. The design of the box and the cover has not undergone major changes in terms of design or production technology. The receiver itself was made by stamping, the necessary connections were made by welding. In the front wall of the box was provided for the installation site of the trunk and gas tube. The front and middle parts of the box were given under the moving shutter, the back - under the trigger mechanism.

Access to the receiver was carried out using a removable top cover. The stamped lid was pressed against the front of the receiver and secured with a latch at the rear. Like the box itself, the lid was borrowed from other developments of the family.

The RPK-74 light machine gun received a relatively long heavy barrel, designed to provide high firepower and the possibility of long-term intensive shooting. The barrel of the machine gun, as in the case of the PKK, had a length of 590 mm. In this case, the relative length of the trunk has increased significantly. Thus, the PKK had a barrel with a length of 77,4 caliber, and the RPK-74 had a 108,25 caliber. This feature of the design positively affected some characteristics of the weapon, primarily on the initial velocity of the bullet.

In the middle part of the barrel, in its upper part, it was provided for the gas outlet and the mounting of the gas tube with a piston. The machine gun had the same gas engine design as the AK-74. An interesting innovation of the RPK-74 project was the use of a special muzzle device. On the muzzle of the barrel there was a thread to install a slotted flame arrester or sleeve for the use of blank cartridges. The base PKK had no such device. The barrel was installed without the possibility of replacement. This simplified the design and also allowed for acceptable combat performance.

The design of the bolt group was a further development of the PKK machine gun units and was unified with the corresponding AK-74 parts. Due to the use of the new cartridge, the bolt group has undergone some changes. So, on the left side of the slide frame appeared cutout, designed to facilitate the construction. The shutter was reduced and lightened, and in its cup there was no annular recess. Also, the shape of the socket for ejection of the sleeve provided in the closure was changed.

The principle of operation of automation remained the same. Under the action of powder gases, the piston rigidly connected with the slide frame, triggered the slide group, after which the spent cartridge case was extracted. Under the action of the return spring, the bolt moved to the extreme forward position and, turning, locked the barrel. For locking used two lugs and grooves in the insert of the receiver.



The RPK-74 machine gun, like other Kalashnikov designs, received a trigger-type trigger mechanism. On the right surface of the receiver there was a flag of the fuse-translator of fire of a characteristic recognizable form. In the extreme upper position, the flag included a fuse blocking the trigger. In addition, in this position, the box physically blocked the movement of the bolt group. In the other two positions of the flag single and automatic fire was activated. The design of the trigger gun provided shooting from a closed bolt, i.e. Before pressing the trigger and / or displacing the firing pin, the cartridge should have been in the chamber.

When developing the RPK-74 machine gun, the ammunition system was rethought. The PKK machine-gun was packaged with a box-sectional two-row magazine for 40 cartridges or a drum for 75. In addition, he could use standard shops from Kalashnikov assault rifles on 30 cartridges. When creating weapons for low-pulse cartridge, it was decided to abandon the drum shop. The sector store for 45 cartridges became the main means of transporting and supplying ammunition. Also preserved the possibility of using machine gun stores smaller capacity.

The RPK-74 machine gun was equipped with a front sight mounted on a stand in the barrel muzzle and an open sight. The latter had markup for firing at a distance of up to 1000 m and allowed to introduce lateral corrections.

Early RPK-74 light machine guns were equipped with accessories made of wood. Weapons received forearm with gas cap, pistol grip and butt. Used "automatic" form forearm. The butt had a neck of reduced thickness, which allowed him to hold his hand when firing with an emphasis. Over time, Soviet enterprises have mastered the production of plastic components. As a result, machine guns began to be completed not only with a store, but also with other plastic parts. Over time, all the accessories have been replaced by plastic.

Like its predecessors, the new light machine gun received folding bipod. They were fastened in front of the trunk, immediately behind the mount flies. In the folded position, the bipods were fastened with a latch and fixed parallel to the trunk. After uncoupling, they were automatically divorced to the sides with the help of a spring.

Almost simultaneously with the basic version of the PKK-74, its folding version of the RPCS-74 appeared. Its only difference was the use of a hinge butt. If necessary, the machine gunner could fold the butt by turning to the left, due to which the total length of the weapon was reduced by 215 mm, to some extent facilitating its carrying.



The total length of the RPK-74 was 1060 mm, i.e. on 20 mm longer than the PKK. This difference in size was due to the use of a flame arrester. Machine gun weight was 4,7 kg, another 300 g accounted for an empty magazine. Foldable modification of the weapon was heavier than the base 150 g. RPK-74 with a loaded magazine weighed about 5,46 kg. Thus, due to improvements associated with the use of the new cartridge, some characteristics were improved. The base RPK with a sector magazine on 40 cartridges weighed 5,6 kg, i.e. It was heavier and had a little smaller ammo ready for use.

The refined design of gas automation with some innovations ensured the rate of fire at the level of 600 shots per minute. Practical rate of fire, in turn, depended on the trigger mode. When shooting single, this parameter did not exceed 45-50 rounds per minute; in automatic mode it reached 140-150.

A relatively long barrel provided a high initial speed of a relatively light bullet - up to 960 m / s (according to other data, no more than 900-920 m / s). Due to this, the machine gun could conduct effective fire at single ground targets at ranges of order 600 m or at group distances up to 1000 m. Firing at air targets was also allowed, but acceptable efficiency was achieved only at ranges to 500 m.

Due to the heavy barrel of the machine gun could fire relatively long bursts. Nevertheless, some features of the automation work led to the appearance of certain restrictions. So, shooting from a closed bolt with intensive shooting led to an increased risk of spontaneous shot due to the heating of the cartridge case from the chamber. Thus, the shooter should have monitored the intensity of firing and did not allow the units to overheat.

On the basis of the RPK-74 and RPX-74 machine guns, modifications were developed with the ability to install additional sighting devices of various types. An interesting fact is that the modifications with various additional characters in the designation differed only in the type of sight that came in the kit. Mounts for sights were unified and represented a bar on the left surface of the receiver.



The light machine gun, equipped with an 1PXNNXX telescopic sight, received the designation RPK-29P (RPKS-74P). Using the night sight NSPU, NSPUM or NSPU-74 added to the name of the base weapon index "H", "Н3" or "Н2", respectively. Thus, RPK-3 with the NSPU sight was called RPK-74Н, and RPKS-74 with the NPUP product was referred to as RPKS-74Н74. When installing the night sight, depending on the modification, the mass of the loaded machine gun could reach 2 kg.

Serial production of new weapons by M.T. Kalashnikova started in 1974 year. The Molot plant in Vyatskiye Polyany, which previously produced PKK machine guns, received an order for production. Machine guns of the new model were intended to replace the existing weapon. The RPK-74 machine guns became a new fire support weapon for motorized rifle troops at the squad and platoon levels. Thus, over time, new machine guns were able to almost completely oust the weapon of the previous model. However, the old PKK did not immediately go out of service. For various reasons, the Kalashnikov light machine guns of the two models were used in parallel for some time. In addition, both machine guns were actively used during the war in Afghanistan.

The war in Afghanistan was the first armed conflict, during which machine guns and machine guns of the new family were actively used. In the future, this weapon was used in the mass of other wars. In fact, the PKK-74 machine guns were used by all the armies and armed formations involved in the conflicts on the territory of the former USSR. The most recent conflicts with the use of Kalashnikov’s 74 weapons are the “War of Three Eights” and the Ukrainian crisis. At the same time, Soviet-made machine guns and machine guns were used and are being used by all parties to conflicts.

In the early nineties, the Izhevsk Machine-Building Plant and the Molot enterprise modernized the AK-74 submachine gun and the RPK-74 machine gun. Through some improvements, especially technological nature, certain characteristics were enhanced. So, the trunk life was increased: when using the 7H10 cartridge, the declared resource was 20 thousand shots. The receiver and its cover were reinforced. Wooden fittings were finally replaced with parts made of glass-filled polyamide. In addition, it was decided to abandon the separate modification with a folding butt. The RPK-74 machine gun received a hinged butt mount. As well as the AK-74M, the updated machine gun received a bar for mounting the sights set in the basic configuration.



After such changes, the overall characteristics of the weapon remained at the same level, although the overall ease of use somewhat improved. In addition, there was no need to deploy the production of several separate machine gun modifications with various specific details, such as a butt hinge or a bar for sights. As a result, the manufacturer had the opportunity to produce machine guns in one configuration and complete them with additional equipment in accordance with the wishes of the customer, or not install it at all.

The latest at the moment modifications of the Kalashnikov light machine gun arr. 1974 g. Are RPK-201 and RPK-203. The 201-I model is a version of the RPK-74M for an intermediate cartridge 5,56x45 mm NATO. RPK-203, in turn, is intended for the use of ammunition 7,62x39 mm. It is noteworthy that the machine gun chambered for 43 of the year is a new development based on the RPK-74M, and not the development of the older PKK. This "origin" of weapons due to the causes of technological and industrial nature. The RPK-201 and RPK-203 machine guns are intended for foreign customers, which explains the choice of ammunition used. Many countries use standard NATO ammunition, including an intermediate cartridge 5,56х45 mm. In addition, a large number of armies using Soviet-developed cartridges, have not yet switched to newer low-pulse intermediate cartridges, using 7,62x39 mm.

At the moment, RPK-74 and RPK-74М machine guns, as well as their modifications, are the main weapon of fire support for branches and platoons of motorized rifle companies in the armed forces of Russia and some other states. It is noteworthy that the list of advantages and disadvantages of this weapon almost completely coincides with reviews of the previous national PKK light machine gun. The main advantage of all these samples is a high degree of unification with automatic machines. Also a positive feature is the presence of a heavy long barrel, which increases firepower in comparison with machine guns.



At the same time there are some characteristic flaws. Rather, a minus than a plus is the lack of the ability to replace the trunk. In combination with shooting from a closed shutter, this leads to the risk of a spontaneous shot. In addition, the combat qualities of the RPK-74 machine gun were seriously hit by the rejection of the drum shop. Sector stores on 45 cartridges significantly limit the ability of weapons for continuous firing and, as a consequence, affect firepower.

Nevertheless, manual machine guns of the RPK-74 family chambered for 5,45x39 mm remain in service and, obviously, will maintain their status as the main weapon of support for the branch, at least for the next few years. Prospects for domestic light machine guns are not yet completely clear. It is possible that in the foreseeable future RPK-74 machine guns will be replaced by new weapons of a similar class, but for now the army uses well-developed weapons.


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  1. +3
    11 June 2015 06: 29
    The same RPK under-machine gun, only in caliber 5.45 and now without a 75 charging store. The combat value of this parody of a machine gun fell even more.
    1. +7
      11 June 2015 06: 44
      And can you say the better MINNI 5,56? And what kind of machine gun in this caliber is good?
      1. +17
        11 June 2015 07: 44
        You guys, I see the dispute is brewing, but I’ll add something ...
        In my opinion, to use a low-pulse cartridge for a machine gun, at least as suboptimal, from the point
        view of the power of weapons. Weak turns out, for a machine gun. The only excuse
        use of the same cartridge as in the machine.
        Further, according to some information, under the caliber 5,45mm they could not create a machine for equipment
        tapes. Difficulties with damage to cartridges ... Hence, the creation of a tape machine gun for low-pulse
        cartridge, we have no meaning.
        And finally, I believe that very soon, in connection with the improvement of individual
        armored personnel, a revision of calibers and ammunition capacity is coming. And, accordingly, and weapons models. Most likely, the detachment will be saturated with Pechenegs, and Kord will become the level of a small platoon ...
        1. avt
          +5
          11 June 2015 08: 52
          Quote: AlNikolaich
          In my opinion, to use a low-pulse cartridge for a machine gun, at least as suboptimal, from the point
          view of the power of weapons. Weak turns out, for a machine gun. The only excuse
          use of the same cartridge as in the machine.

          request Well, how to explain this to everyone who shouts that the PKK is shit and needs a tape ??? In the words of an American who passed through Vietnam, that the shop on the PKK is the advantage of the Russians? Broadcast "Discovery", where the ex-cat snakes in delight from a machine gun under an intermediate cartridge, and then from a rifle one with the words that the previous one was so good that he had to do this to help him? Or the fact that the combined feed is done - from the tape and from store?
        2. -1
          April 26 2019 07: 41
          use a low-pulse cartridge for a machine gun, as the minimum is not optimal, from the point

          One unit carries one kind of ammunition. Plus, interchangeability of stores.
      2. 0
        11 June 2015 22: 57
        Quote: Igor39
        And can you say the better MINNI 5,56? And what kind of machine gun in this caliber is good?

        Not the best, exactly the good? Then I can recommend the Negev. Quite a decent machine.
    2. wanderer_032
      +4
      11 June 2015 10: 40
      Quote: La-5
      The same RPK under-machine gun, only in caliber 5.45 and now without a 75 charging store. The combat value of this parody of a machine gun fell even more.


      I totally agree. Three to four good lines and the store is empty.
      He shot two or three horns continuously and the barrel overheated, the machine gun was out of order.
      Our aircraft need a light machine gun with a more spacious magazine and a cooling (quick-change) barrel.
      1. +7
        11 June 2015 15: 54
        Three to four good lines and the store is empty.
        Well, try, if possible, to keep this good line at least in the window dimensions at 50 meters or the embrasure of the bunker. After all, we cover the compartment and water the enemy without letting him pop out?
        He shot two or three horns continuously and the barrel overheated, the machine gun was out of order.
        It seems like a machine gun for separation is intended, and not for a company. Who are you going to water with continuous fire? From the queue to 100 and the PC will have to change the trunk. This is only 6P41 can land ammunition 150-200 without spitting.
    3. +9
      11 June 2015 19: 18
      Have you ever picked it up? A short gun, or maybe you are from the couch ... generals?
      1. +3
        11 June 2015 19: 40
        Quote: torp
        Have you ever picked it up? Under machine gun

        I took a lot of things into my hands, I won’t measure my pipiska. As for the PKK, he performs his immediate tasks normally, I would not argue with you, but only handed you the RMB (as the lightest) spare barrel for it and a thousand live cartridges in unloading tapes. We’ll omit such extremes as normal body armor and 5th grade body armor, RDkhu, grenades, etc. Then I looked at how many dashes you can make. After all, you are a machine gunner of the squad, you are not openly assigned a second number, you must run along with this squad and each time take a position for cover. Then he would have forced you to fill another 1000 rounds of ammunition into the ribbons, and he would have sat opposite and filled 1000 into RPK shops.
        1. 0
          12 June 2015 09: 27
          and what 1000 rounds in stores weigh less ???? maybe I don’t understand what, but how is cover from a simple Kalash in this case different from a cover from an RPK with a difference of 10 rounds ?? right now on a new kalash you can fasten the magazine for 80 rounds in my opinion and there they also increased accuracy
          1. +2
            12 June 2015 12: 05
            and what 1000 rounds in stores weigh less ???? maybe I don’t understand what, but how is cover from a simple Kalash in this case different from a cover from an RPK with a difference of 10 rounds ??
            Heavier, but to equip them much easier and faster than tapes, it is enough to take 10 stores, and the rest in packs. The PKK can still get somewhere covering up at considerable distances, unlike the machine.
            1. 0
              23 October 2022 16: 44
              I liked to shoot with the PKK. Solitary generally a buzz.
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      3. 0
        14 June 2015 18: 25
        My opinion is that RPK-74 with its 45 is needed to close the pause for reloading 30 assault rifles. And the machine is good, even my daughter liked it!
        1. Harvest
          +2
          14 June 2015 18: 51
          Quote: blind
          maybe I don’t understand what, but how does cover from a simple Kalash in this case differ from a cover from an RPK with a difference of 10 rounds

          Nothing. The store is taken from the PKK for 45 rounds and all things.

          Quote: Marssik
          The PKK can still get somewhere covering up at considerable distances, unlike the machine.

          Hands and eyes are crooked for those who cannot hit the AK at a distance of 400 meters and fire at the enemy at a distance of 600 meters. For this, not the PKK is needed, but shooting training and a normal shooter from the AK. And you can get "somewhere" from any weapon.

          Quote: a.hamster55
          My opinion is that RPK-74 with its 45 is needed to close the pause for reloading automatic 30.

          For such an overlap, it was necessary to replace the RPD with a short-range RPK machine gun? And the 45 cartridge magazine on AK did not provide this task?

          Quote: a.hamster55
          the machine is good, even my daughter liked it!

          Exactly - to my daughter!
          Female machine gun.
          1. +2
            14 June 2015 19: 34
            Hands and eyes are crooked for those who cannot hit the AK at a distance of 400 meters and fire at the enemy at a distance of 600 meters. For this, not the PKK is needed, but shooting training and a normal shooter from the AK. And you can get "somewhere" from any weapon.
            In another sniper, before that there was one from the belt for 300 with ak thrashed into the head, now you are such a trainee at 400 from AK in the watering. I have big doubts about your practice, it’s unlikely to have gone any further than the shooting range.
            1. Harvest
              +3
              15 June 2015 00: 04
              Quote: Marssik
              , now you are such a trainee at 400 from AK in the watering.

              No, I'm just at the shooting range. This is you from the PKK, but under fire from the PC you get the first round of "somewhere" from a distance of 400 meters.
              1. +2
                15 June 2015 00: 13
                Quote: Harvest
                This is you from the PKK, but under fire from the PC

                I never thought that on such a secondary topic you can reach the level. am I swear mom Yes Yes??? wassat
                Is this wording suitable for you - long-range assault rifle? soldier
                1. Harvest
                  +3
                  15 June 2015 00: 25
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  Is this wording suitable for you - long-range assault rifle?

                  Will do! Wrap up two for me, please. Yes ... And yet I will take PKM or Pecheneg too ... In order to "crush" those with increased range assault rifles (this is with an intermediate cartridge). wink
                  1. +3
                    15 June 2015 00: 33
                    Quote: Harvest
                    It will do!

                    Well, thank God!
                    Quote: Harvest
                    Wrap me two on the ward, please.

                    To the rear and transport department, please hi
                    Quote: Harvest
                    those with assault rifles of increased (this is with an intermediate cartridge) range.

                    If these Abu ... How is his dog? what do not take and instead of painting curbs to teach shooting That is not an extra device will be
                2. NO PASARAN
                  +3
                  15 June 2015 00: 36
                  Oh hello hi
                  "Bear in the North" appeared drinks , apparently, the Old "woody" is tired of .. lol two "star" Bears had a fight laughing
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  I’ll swear it all Mom I swear Yes ???

                  Of course, I don’t know how to express my thoughts so clearly, I am a ton of people. new and not experienced,
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  Is this wording suitable for you - long-range assault rifle?
                  but I remember one old ensign with a rattlesnake "Boatswain" taught me to sharpen pencils with a sapper shovel, saying, "Tochi, my son, pencils will come in handy in life," as he looked into the water, not a man - SHAMAN.
                  So, Bullet-fool, Bayonet - Well done! here I’m arguing your end laughing
                  Sorry for the pun drinks
                  1. +2
                    15 June 2015 00: 45
                    Quote: NO PASARAN
                    taught me how to sharpen pencils with a sapper shovel, said, "Just sonny pencils - it will come in handy in life"

                    And we grit our teeth am wassat
                    1. NO PASARAN
                      +3
                      15 June 2015 00: 54
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      A shit

                      They say there was such a character feel
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      And we through clenched teeth

                      And what is it "through clenched teeth"? Neither hello nor drinks for acquaintance ....
                      I have an open visor to him, and he clenched his teeth, how can that be? ay-ay-ay request
                      So the Northern Bears are evil? and it turns out that the Old Bears are a ray, though at times tired and uncritical laughing
                      1. +2
                        15 June 2015 01: 07
                        Quote: NO PASARAN
                        And what is it "through clenched teeth"? Neither hello nor

                        And then you'll sing to me - Enemies burned my own hut ... crying
                        Quote: NO PASARAN
                        I have an open visor to him,

                        If I didn’t mix anything, then I don’t give it to the visor request I then strain my brains by calculating in what state they are reg ... what Nicky come winked Already ... fool
                        drinks
                      2. NO PASARAN
                        +4
                        15 June 2015 01: 23
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        If I didn’t mix anything, then I don’t give it to the visor

                        You are shouting "don't make me angry" fellow
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        I then strain my brains by calculating in what state they are registering for ... Nicky happens Already ...

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                      3. +3
                        15 June 2015 01: 30
                        Quote: NO PASARAN
                        You are shouting "don't make me angry"

                        Is this a run over? am wink
                      4. NO PASARAN
                        +2
                        15 June 2015 01: 57
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Is this a run over?

                        What did you eat today? Not a damn thing! lol
                        I took from a friend to play, with friends to greet!
                        like "let them read cherubs" wink
                        You nudin laughing
                        Ray with pension to get enough tongue
                      5. +2
                        15 June 2015 02: 03
                        Quote: NO PASARAN
                        What did you eat today? Not a damn thing!

                        Cognac good With beer sad
                        Quote: NO PASARAN
                        I took from a friend to play, with friends to greet!

                        Do not break the main thing, otherwise you will cut yourself laughing
                        Quote: NO PASARAN
                        You nudin

                        Beer is over sad
                        Quote: NO PASARAN
                        Ray with pension to get enough

                        At this time it’s time to say goodbye to him. Tired bears sleep .... wassat
                      6. NO PASARAN
                        +3
                        15 June 2015 02: 19
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Cognac With beer

                        You damn cool to like no one on drinks
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Do not break the main thing, otherwise you will cut yourself

                        that you, how can I bring a Good Chela, the successor of Glorious Affairs laughing
                        Can I, too, like to -nit to you, who are addicted to verticals, will return in a new-old guise bully
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        At this time it’s time to say goodbye to him. Tired bears sleep ....

                        And I look, you don’t sleep alone, that you entered the guard! laughing drinks
                        Although drinks I'm with you, you're on guard, you are not supposed to lol
                      7. +2
                        15 June 2015 03: 07
                        Quote: NO PASARAN
                        Can I, too, like to -nit to you, who are addicted to verticals, will return in a new-old guise

                        It is inconvenient to drink in a gas mask laughing The rest will be split right away, so just join drinks
                        Quote: NO PASARAN
                        You’re on guard, you are not supposed to

                        The couch troops included in the ration request But tea is contraindicated because it distracts from hostilities stop Well, for a seagull drinks laughing
              2. NO PASARAN
                +3
                15 June 2015 00: 14
                Quote: Harvest
                Harvest

                Harvest hi drinks
                Have you seen "educated" cats on this thread? what belay
                Today I was reading one "cat" somewhere in the VO, and mulberries, lo and behold, again the experts ... a louse, where are we sirim request
                1. Harvest
                  +3
                  15 June 2015 00: 32
                  Quote: NO PASARAN
                  Have you seen "educated" cats on this thread?

                  Sharikov spoke well about cats, but it hurts the character is impartial, it’s not decent to quote, they won’t understand.

                  I've been reading this one "cat" somewhere on VO

                  He promised to poison me with gases, eating peas belay

                  and here, lo and behold, again specialists ... edrena louse, where are we to Siri then

                  What kind of specialists? Ponte alone. And I'm the same laughing
                  1. NO PASARAN
                    +3
                    15 June 2015 00: 45
                    Quote: Harvest
                    Good about seals Sharikov spoke

                    Yeah, something to me, too, with cats is somehow not very ... mmm .. mmm .. lucky, we can in that life I was a dog ... eh
                    Quote: Harvest
                    He promised to poison me with gases, eating peas

                    Please be more careful because in "educated" cats, gases from the tail are also "educated" rod and, apparently, are very poisonous and act in a directed manner wink
                    Just a gas mask will not help, then you need L-1 lol
    4. 0
      10 August 2015 03: 43
      But modern shops at 60 \ 95 why not fit? And besides the small capacity of the stores, there are no complaints about it ... Excellent machine ...
      As for the "spontaneous shot", I don't know ... I shot the rest of the cartridges with the PRK-74 from the firing .... By the end of the 2nd zinc, I got tired of shooting harshly, my ears were ringing, but I don’t remember a spontaneous shot .. Perhaps if you fasten the next magazine and don't shoot ... But on the other hand, in real conditions, the situation when machine gunner 1 after another fires off, say, 10 magazines, attaches another 1 and does not shoot anymore ... rather strange, and where did he get so many cartridges ... I don't remember exactly ... the ammunition load in my 4 stores + small zinc in the duffel bag, it's like 200 rounds ... a total of 380 rounds ... and they must be spent carefully.
  2. -2
    11 June 2015 06: 37
    I think I will not be mistaken if I call the RPK-74 the most unsuccessful machine gun in our army. He absolutely does not fulfill his tasks. Its main drawback is it DOES NOT ENSURE the REQUIRED fire density - i.e. DIRECT machine gun duties. “You can’t say that it is completely useless (after all, it shoots !;)). He is meaningless.
    Moreover, the situation when the enemy is equipped with normal correct machine guns with a high rate of fire immediately raises. infantry in a losing position.
    Highlighted quote from the Desantura forum. (http://desantura.ru/forum/forum36/topic1970/) I think adding something on my own does not make sense.
    1. erg
      +12
      11 June 2015 09: 38
      Only one phrase - normal correct machine guns, shows the stupidity of its author. Although from the Desantura forum, the person who wrote it most likely has nothing to do with the army. Any weapon must first be able to use.
      1. wanderer_032
        -5
        11 June 2015 10: 31
        Quote: erg
        Only one phrase - normal correct machine guns, shows the stupidity of its author.

        Quote: erg
        Any weapon must first be able to use.


        Then, if you are concerned, tell me how to properly use such a "miracle weapon" as the RPK / RPK-74?
        Only based on its capacity of a standard store, I personally don’t understand what it is?
        Or a machine with extra bells and whistles? Or an unfinished machine gun?

        How can a squad gunner support this squad in battle, if cartridges with "gulkin horseradish" and the so-called machine gun get warm from firing in long bursts?
        1. +14
          11 June 2015 13: 19
          Say dear wanderer_032, and
          Quote: wanderer_032
          cartridges with "gulkin horseradish"

          how much do you think ?!
          For example, I, as a person who knows this weapon, not by hearsay, really respect this machine gun (machine gun compartment).
          Do you personally know how much wearable b / c in this machine gun ?!
          I will refresh your memory. RPK-74 has 8 standard stores with 45 rounds each. This is 360 rounds of 5.45 mm. Weight RPK 5.8 kg. Rate of fire 600v / m. Combat rate of fire of the RPK-74 machine gun with bursts of 150 v / m, single fire of 50 v / m, bullet speed of 960 m / s. Calculation of 1 person.
          We take the latest Pecheneg 7.62 mm (company machine gun) - wearable b / c 600 rounds 3 boxes of 200 rounds (500 rounds 1 cor. 100, 2 cor. 200). weight 8.2 kg, rate of fire 650 v / m, combat rate of fire 250 v / m. bullet speed 825 m / s. Calculation of 2 people.
          And what are you talking about
          Quote: wanderer_032
          How the machine gunner of the squad maintain this squad in battle

          about what?!
          You will excuse me of course, but I don’t even want to delve into the jungle of ballistics, because I understand from your post that you did not hold this weapon in your hands.
          1. wanderer_032
            -3
            11 June 2015 14: 04
            Quote: AndreyS
            You will excuse me of course, but I don’t even want to delve into the jungle of ballistics, because I understand from your post that you did not hold this weapon in your hands.


            And what about overheating of the PKK with intensive firing (machine-gun) and constant fire delays when replacing an empty store with a full one (which in battle can lead to put it mildly to bad consequences)?
            Something useful could not be read from the "expert" on the PKK and other small arms. laughing
            1. +11
              11 June 2015 14: 19
              Quote: wanderer_032
              And what about overheating of the PKK with intensive firing (machine-gun) and constant fire delays when replacing an empty store with a full one (which in battle can lead to put it mildly to bad consequences)?
              Something worthwhile could not be read from the "expert" on the PKK and other small arms

              And there is nothing at all, nothing to comment on! Have you had it? How much did you personally "shoot" with the RPK-74 ?! Of the 8 PKKs in my unit, there was not one delay and overheating. Even when firing at a machine gun (they fired all b / k in a row, all three hundred and sixty). And about the store, I can only say one thing, pens need to be grown from the right places. And so in any weapon you can not insert the magazine correctly into place!
              1. wanderer_032
                -9
                11 June 2015 14: 32
                Quote: AndreyS
                And I can say only one thing about the store, you need to grow pens from the right places. And so in any weapon, you can not correctly insert the store into place!


                Many including and the small capacity of the RPK store does not tire me.
                45 rounds is disastrously small for a machine gun. And even for the manual type of RPK.

                3-4 good lines and a machine gun must be reloaded. And your statement that the PKK does not overheat from firing in long bursts tells me personally only one thing - I do not believe it. But I don’t believe it, because I perfectly imagine how such a weapon works and what happens during firing in long bursts with the barrel.
                1. avt
                  +2
                  11 June 2015 17: 13
                  Quote: wanderer_032
                  Many including and the small capacity of the RPK store does not tire me.
                  45 rounds is disastrously small for a machine gun. And even for the manual type of RPK.

                  3-4 good lines and a machine gun must be reloaded.

                  Less play computer shootings at night and you will be happy and all those who have little ammunition when shooting zombies in a horn and a snail. And then the hour in life is uneven with fear, and actually with a gun, do not release your finger from the trigger - all from one turn Drain the horn and do not insert the second with shaking hands. wassat
                  Quote: wanderer_032
                  But I don’t believe it, because I perfectly imagine how such a weapon works and what happens during firing in long bursts with the barrel.

                  Again - on YouTube videos, or in a shooter?
                  Quote: AndreyS
                  I think you're wrong! And what does the correct machine gun mean ?!

                  Correct, this is when the "Kalashists" zadolbali with their old stuff. wassat
                  1. wanderer_032
                    -5
                    11 June 2015 18: 53
                    Quote: avt
                    Again - on YouTube videos, or in a shooter?


                    Anyone dealing with technology is obvious. Nobody has yet canceled the friction force arising from the shell of a bullet when it moves along the walls of the barrel in its channel, as well as the release of hot powder gases from the cartridge sleeve into the barrel.
                    About the same process occurs when the piston moves in the cylinder, in internal combustion engines, but instead of gunpowder, the fuel-air mixture burns in the cylinder. If anything, the difference is small. tongue
                    1. +2
                      12 June 2015 08: 06
                      Quote: wanderer_032
                      Anyone dealing with technology is obvious. Nobody has yet canceled the friction force arising from the shell of a bullet when it moves along the walls of the barrel in its channel, as well as the release of hot powder gases from the cartridge sleeve into the barrel.

                      Here you are, as a technically savvy person, read such wisdom as Inner Balistic. And maybe it will become clear to you (not obvious) how the shot occurs, what processes occur during this, whether this can be compared with the operation of the piston. (Ballistics is not secret information you can read on the internet) Yes, and besides that, you will need to read a little about thermodynamics, material resistance, etc. what would you say was obvious.
                      Once again, for you I will repeat - I personally repeatedly shot from various modifications of the RPK (RPK-74, RPK-74M, RPK, RPK-203) and I know how this weapon works, its advantages and disadvantages. I already wrote to you that what you posted on the forum from landing full crap. Almost any weapon has its drawbacks and positive strona. But (I’ll probably write the news for you), each weapon has its own niche of use. Universal weapons do not exist. So RPK-74 is a pretty good branch machine gun, if you follow the tactics of using weapons outlined in such a wonderful work as a textbook of a sergeant of motorized rifle troops, or, as a last resort, a combat charter. By the way, I gave a comparison of machine guns of the same class below, for comparison. Dare in the analysis which is better and which is not, and which machine gun has a larger magazine, so that the number of rounds would satisfy you personally!
          2. +2
            12 June 2015 17: 39
            AndreiS, you do not confuse warm with hard?
            How can you, "knowing this weapon not by hearsay", can compare Pecheneg and the PKK? Yes, in the internet "dug" the performance characteristics of machine guns and WHAT? From this you became a "specialist"? You will try to complete the tasks that are intended for Pecheneg from RPK / RPK-74. What does the wearable BC and the calculation have to do with it?
            The fact that RPK / RPK-74 is a submachine gun is a long known machine. Due to the stupid unification of the Moscow Region, it refused an excellent RPD - this one fulfilled its role in the department remarkably. And it really was a machine gun, and not his miserable likeness.
            P.S. I had to use both the RPD and the PKK, so I know what I'm talking about.
            1. +2
              12 June 2015 18: 58
              Quote: REZMovec
              AndreiS, you do not confuse warm with hard?

              No dear REZMovec I have nothing to confuse! And I compared foreign machine guns with the RPK-74 (one class). RPK (RPD) and Pecheneg (PK) machine guns of different classes, with different ammunition and are designed for different tasks, so there is no point in comparing them, and I tried to reveal the post of the respected D-Master about the right machine gun! "... He absolutely does not fulfill his tasks. Its main drawback is it DOES NOT ENSURE the REQUIRED fire density - i.e. DIRECT machine gun duties ..."Who broadcast to us from the Desantura forum about the high rate of fire of the correct machine guns performing their duties. In addition, our respected members of the forum love when they talk with evidence, so I had to take data from the nearest known resource (Wikipedia). Excuse me, I just have no time to get documents on weapons, scan them and post them here on the forum.Well, everyone has their own opinion about the superiority of the RPD. Here you can argue.As for weapons chambered for 5.45X39 mm and 7.62X39 mm, you can break spears for a long time, while everyone has their own opinion (and the person remains unconvinced.) For the sake of interest, compare the performance characteristics of the RPD and RPK-74 yourself.
              Quote: REZMovec
              Yes, in the internet "dug" the performance characteristics of machine guns and WHAT? From this you became a "specialist"?

              Here is how it reads offensively, a hasty conclusion. Have you seen what I would write about the fact that I am "special" ?! True, for 25 years of communication with various weapons, one can say so, but I personally don't think so. All postulates like "... 5.45X39 mm cartridge has less penetration than 7.62X39 mm cartridge ..." I try to check in practice, I can say that the result of comparison surprises many.

              Especially for you, the front armor plate of the body armor Kora 1MK 5 cells.
              If you understand the name of the cartridges you will understand what’s what. The distance from which they shot at the plate is 100 meters.
              I can add that the cartridge 7.62X54 mm 7H1 (sniper) had the same result as the cartridge 7.62X39 mm Arr. 43 g
              Well, something like this. With respect to you, Andrei.
              1. 0
                15 June 2015 22: 36
                Quote: AndreyS
                Have you seen what I would write about the fact that I am "special"?

                There is no special, but to put it mildly, boast is not.
                Quote: AndreyS
                Especially for you, the front armor plate of the body armor Kora 1MK 5 cells.

                Let’s take a look at us here? And here we have a very strange movie - well, that you can’t read anything agglitzically — I translate it specially for you — the VASK is written on the disc, which in translation into the great and mighty is called back. Well, yes, the dog is shooting - both with the front and the back. Let’s take a look at the record - and the record from the BZ hidden wearing Kora1M, the bronik itself has fabric bags with protection class 1 PM pistol Nagan revolver, when using a set of these records, its protection grows to class 2 - i.e. TT and PSM pistols (the characteristic markings and color of the plate simply shout about it, but if it weren’t done not at 93 and at the end of 94, then after the inscription VASK there would be a black stencil with Roman numerals II).
                In general, the conclusions are that you could not know the plate not from the breast but from the back, that you could not know from Kora MK but not from Kora1M (by the way, KoraMK always has green plates with yellow marking, except for this edge Kora1M plates are more rounded than MK), but the fact is that this is not Grade 5, but a maximum of a third person
                Quote: AndreyS
                True, for 25 years of communication with various weapons, you can
                could not understand.
                Based on this question - what the hell is all this clowning?
                PS By the way, are all your miracles with not breaking it 7,62X39 explained simply go and the plate was leaning against a column / tree? this is exactly what the characteristic ricochet trail tells us - the bullet ricocheted from the turning plate, and was it a hunting gun?
                1. 0
                  20 June 2015 12: 09
                  Quote: gross kaput
                  Let’s take a look at us here? And here we have a very strange movie - well, that you can’t read anything agglitzically — I translate it specially for you — the VASK is written on the disc, which in translation into the great and mighty is called back. Well, yes, the dog is shooting - both with the front and the back. Let’s take a look at the record - and the record from the BZ hidden wearing Kora1M, the bronik itself has fabric bags with protection class 1 PM pistol Nagan revolver, when using a set of these records, its protection grows to class 2 - i.e. TT and PSM pistols (the characteristic markings and color of the plate simply shout about it, but if it weren’t done not at 93 and at the end of 94, then after the inscription VASK there would be a black stencil with Roman numerals II).
                  In general, the conclusions are that you could not know the plate not from the breast but from the back, that you could not know from Kora MK but not from Kora1M (by the way, KoraMK always has green plates with yellow marking, except for this edge Kora1M plates are more rounded than MK), but the fact is that this is not Grade 5, but a maximum of a third person

                  Then it's still more fun !!!!! So the cartridge 7.62X39 mm Sample 43 g. Does not break through the plate of the 3rd class! (this is your opinion) And by the way, you are our specialist, the plate on which is written FRONT of the Kora 1 MK body armor is exactly the same as BACK, 4 mm thick. Third grade plate thickness 3 mm. Especially for you, we’ll shoot the FRONT plate with the same ammunition and put it here! Good luck!
                  1. 0
                    22 June 2015 16: 46
                    Quote: AndreyS
                    So the cartridge 7.62X39 mm Sample 43 g. Does not break through the plate of the 3rd class!

                    In our opinion, he should not penetrate it, for those who live in another galaxy - Grade 3 according to GOST R 50744-95 provides protection against 5,45 7n6 from AK-74 and 7,62X39 57n134s from AKM from a range of 10 meters.
                    Quote: AndreyS
                    And by the way, you are our specialist,
                    As if I had this junk b / w "bark" of various modifications - there were one and a half hundred in the warehouse, so that the complete set and where that should be I know enough to understand what and where is shown in the photo. Well, when some cool comrades with 25 years of experience buy a decommissioned armor, it is not surprising that there are not native plates in the case - that was something for delivery and shoved - I know - I did it myself sometimes.
                    Quote: AndreyS
                    on which is written FRONT body armor Kora 1 MK exactly the same as BACK

                    Oh, how, only the bend is different, and the record is not from MK but from 1M and the class is not 3 but the 2nd and so no difference laughing
                    Quote: AndreyS
                    Third grade plate thickness 3 mm

                    They themselves came up with ali who suggested? the thickness of the plate is 3 classes from Kora-MK 4,5mm, then what you have in the photo is a plate of the 2nd class from bark-1M (by the way, the thickness is just 3 mm laughing ) is naturally punched even 7n6 from 100 meters, so you push the bullshit to anyone else - I don't need it, besides this, the release of 1993, when "Kory MK" was not even in the project laughing
                    Quote: AndreyS
                    So the cartridge 7.62X39 mm Sample 43 g.

                    Especially when he was a hunter, and even ricocheted - what the trail of the ricochet and the abundance of traces of lead splashes around are screaming about. Once again, respected for those who think hard the first time - I, among other things, was responsible for the NIB in the office for more than one year, in addition, I also visited the "Class" - the manufacturer of b / w Cora, whenever possible, I shot plates from decommissioned armored vehicles. a shooting range, and not only from Kora, but from many more - fortunately in the late 90s and early 00s in the Ministry of Internal Affairs that there was a full zoo with weapons and NIB, the only armor that did not confirm the "passport" protection was "Module" with titanium plates (four from the chest and from the back). So the sticks about the 5th class on the passport holding the SVD with LPS from 10 meters but supposedly punched 7n6 from 100 leave the same specialists as you - confusing the plates of the 2nd class with the 5th and on the basis of this sucking "sensations".
      2. +1
        14 August 2015 03: 05
        I agree, and the most important thing is that the weapon was developed under the demand of the military, it was accepted by them! It was created not just to have some characteristics, but to fit into the staff structure and tactics of the subunits ... And then it suddenly turns out that the generals and marshals of victory, who have military education and vast military experience, ordered the industry and put into service "wrong" machine gun, and then they could not replace it, if it did not suit something ?! Well, well, I doubt that the authority and, most importantly, the competence of the person who rejects the machine gun is higher than the one who wrote the technical specification for its development. The machine gun is actually a breakthrough, invented and put into service 40 years ago, and the widespread introduction in the Western armies of light machine guns based on assault rifles began 20 years ago and the trend is gaining momentum, already assault rifles receive replaceable machine gun barrels ...
        The only drawback on the nature of the machine gun was that at one time they could not bring to mind the capacious disk magazine ... Modern disk and boxed 4-row magazines should be suitable ... Immediately the question of the density of fire generally disappears, it becomes very solid, for separation. ..
    2. +5
      11 June 2015 13: 44
      Quote: D-Master
      I think I will not be mistaken if I call RPK-74 the most unfortunate machine gun in our army. He absolutely does not fulfill his tasks. Its main drawback is it DOES NOT ENSURE the REQUIRED fire density - i.e. DIRECT machine gun duties. “You can’t say that it is completely useless (after all, it shoots !;)). He is meaningless.
      Moreover, the situation when the enemy is equipped with normal correct machine guns with a high rate of fire immediately raises. infantry in a losing position. Highlighted quote from the Desantura forum. (http://desantura.ru/forum/forum36/topic1970/) I think adding something on my own does not make sense.

      I think you're wrong! And what does the correct machine gun mean ?!
      We take well-known foreign machine guns of the same caliber:
      Heckler & Koch HK23E, HK13E: - German single machine gun. Weight: from 7.2 kg to 8.00 (HK13E). Cartridge: 5,56 × 45 mm. Rate of fire from 750 / m (NK13E). Muzzle velocity 910 (cartridge SS109) m / s. Sighting range of 1200 m. Type of ammunition: magazine for 20 rounds (from the rifle HK G3); 50 rounds drum magazine.
      Stoner 63 (also known as XM22 / E1 or M63) Weight: 3.58-3.72 kg. Cartridge 5,56 × 45 mm. Rate of fire 700-900 v / m Maximum effective range, m: 600 (Automatic Rifle) 500 (Carbine) Muzzle velocity: 930-990 m / s. Type of ammunition: box magazine for 30 rounds (automatic), belt (machine gun).
      RPK-74 - Cartridge: 5,45 × 39 mm Weight: 5,46 kg. (RPK-74 equipped). Rate of Fire: 600 rounds / min. Sighting range: 1000 m. Muzzle velocity: 900 m / s. Type of ammunition: box magazine for 45 rounds (it is possible to use magazines for 30 rounds from AK74), an experimental batch of RPK-74 used boxed magazines for 60 rounds; it is possible to use drum magazines for 75 rounds.
      Well, which one is better? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You do not quote this forum please. By the way, I took the data from Wikipedia. Know how to use reference literature, and then lay out all sorts of crap.
  3. -3
    11 June 2015 06: 44
    Quote: D-Master
    I think I will not be mistaken if I call the RPK-74 the most unsuccessful machine gun in our army. He absolutely does not fulfill his tasks. Its main drawback is it DOES NOT ENSURE the REQUIRED fire density - i.e. DIRECT machine gun duties. “You can’t say that it is completely useless (after all, it shoots !;)). He is meaningless.
    Moreover, the situation when the enemy is equipped with normal correct machine guns with a high rate of fire immediately raises. infantry in a losing position.
    Highlighted quote from the Desantura forum. (http://desantura.ru/forum/forum36/topic1970/) I think adding something on my own does not make sense.

    Everything is correctly said and there is nothing to add.
  4. +7
    11 June 2015 06: 56
    Vepr carbine (SOK-94). The first Vepr carbines were as unified as possible with the Kalashnikov light machine gun (RPK).
    1. 0
      13 June 2015 10: 04
      Quote: bionik
      Vepr carbine (SOK-94).

      Vlad, I have one !!! I have never failed. SCS at the father-in-law burned out, bought it. You!
  5. Chiron
    +2
    11 June 2015 07: 59
    In the Israeli army, the RPD enjoyed the greatest respect from Soviet machine guns
    1. avt
      +1
      11 June 2015 08: 34
      Quote: Chiron
      In the Israeli army, the RPD enjoyed the greatest respect from Soviet machine guns

      Because they understand and do not demand from him the ability to cover with a weaker PC cartridge, well, its analog under a rifle cartridge, and even pour bullets like from a watering can.
      Quote: erased
      . And they seem to be planning to adopt a new caliber. Either 6,5, or what else. In terms of weapon unification, this is the right move.

      what No. That’s the right move, and Fedorov felt it after the Russo-Japanese War, but ...... I don’t believe that they will pass, the costs are big.
      1. +4
        11 June 2015 16: 00
        They won’t transfer, if they didn’t switch to 6x49 during the Union, then now when they don’t have time to plug the holes in the defense, they won’t be able to switch.
      2. +1
        12 June 2015 18: 09
        ABT, do not do stupid things - RPD is an excellent machine gun, unlike the PKK. Where the RPD puts 4-5 bullets (in short burst) into the target, the RPK / RPK-74 will lay 1-2 bullets. The RPK machine gunner leaning high from the trench is an excellent target for a sniper, which can not be said about the machine gunner with a RPD. Why's that? Because of the design, my friend, because of the design.
    2. +7
      11 June 2015 08: 42
      Quote: Chiron
      In the Israeli army, the RPD enjoyed the greatest respect from Soviet machine guns


      The RPD is not only respected in Israel, we have been crying for it for a long time that we removed those weapons that we managed to try in real combat and do not make any comparison with the PKK, the PKK as it was before the machine gun remained. A distinctive feature of the RPD is a high density of fire for covering the compartment. With the advent of the lighter Pecheneg as part of the intelligence department, the issue of replacing the PKK was resolved
      1. +5
        11 June 2015 10: 43



        Quote: wanderer_032
        The machine gun is good, but the magazine capacity is not enough for this type of weapon. At least 100-150 rounds would be. Then it would be a matter.



        The collimator sight should definitely stand. It would also be nice to equip it with an air-cooled barrel, if the store is more spacious.

        A store for him with this design is needed:
        1. wanderer_032
          -4
          11 June 2015 12: 56
          RPD - the car! good

          The only sad thing is that the tape is only 75 rounds. But this can be corrected by simply making another cartridge box of greater capacity. Well, stick the collimator for the shooter. Put the stock, handle and forend plastic (to facilitate weight). And then, in general, the beast-machine will succeed.
          1. ivan.ru
            +5
            11 June 2015 17: 04
            wanderer_032 (2) SU  Today, 12:56 ↑


            "RPD is a car! Good

            The only sad thing is that the tape is only 75 rounds. "

            mistaken, venerable marshal. it’s immediately clear that you only saw this device in the picture. RPD, indeed, the machine, but the tape he has, standard, that is, constantly used - 50 rounds. if two tapes of 50 are connected, and such a possibility is provided by the design, a tape of 100 rounds is obtained, which fits tightly into the can. usually in the troops (not in the war) a tape of 50 was used, since the maximum number of rounds for different exercises was, it seems, 35, that's why this tape was used constantly. 100 rounds of ammunition, I only stuffed and fired once at a service, at large ostentatious exercises. which tapes were used in the war, I will not say, I did not have to. but I think weaving
            1. avt
              0
              11 June 2015 17: 29
              Quote: ivan.ru
              mistaken, venerable marshal. it’s immediately clear that you only saw this device in the picture.

              laughing good Won another computer shooter!
              Quote: ivan.ru
              really a car

              Balanced awesome! The first time I took it in my hands - a feeling that I had known him for a long time!
              Quote: ivan.ru
              , standard, that is, constantly used - 50 rounds. if two tapes of 50 are connected, and such a possibility is provided by the design, a tape of 100 rounds is obtained, which fits tightly into the can.

              ,, Pinned "with one cartridge (for ,, experts"} laughing .I was lying with a fastened jar and ribbon on the outside and played fuligany and witlessly - a line of 10 heaped up like that, and 3-5 like it seemed to be single. In general, the most comfortable for me personally, it was more pleasant to me -SKS, though I would need a pistol grip and a receiver under the horn, but no bipods are needed - a bayonet in the ground and order, well, and RPD, so if he could be attached to the store like on a PKK, well something like a snail - there wouldn’t be a demolition machine.
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  6. 0
    11 June 2015 08: 18
    Izhmash has already stated that on the basis of the AK-12 will be created: sniper rifle and light machine gun. And they seem to be planning to adopt a new caliber. Either 6,5, or what else. In terms of weapon unification, this is the right move.
    1. 0
      15 March 2018 14: 47
      Why else should they create? Kalashnikovsky machine gun was adopted as a single machine gun in 2001 PKP "Pecheneg".
  7. +1
    11 June 2015 08: 44
    Quote: erased
    AK-12 base will be created: sniper rifle


    tongue n ,,, b do not toss the bags. (c) Folk wisdom.
    1. 0
      11 June 2015 09: 13
      What is this for? And who lives with his tongue?
      1. 0
        11 June 2015 09: 58
        Quote: erased
        This is what?

        Besides, this phrase speaks of the complete profanation of the management of the concern. If Grodetsky simply stole without interfering in production, then from the time of Kuzyuk the destruction of the design and weapons school began. As a result, similar "statements" began to appear. Since Zlobin was the general designer at that time, part of the responsibility for such a blunder (and not only, including the very stupid idea of ​​the AK-12) lies entirely with him. The result - with the advent of Krivoruchko, (it was necessary to start with) Zlobin no longer exists, not a single innovative model has been developed and put into production. Everything revolves due to the endless "improvement" of AK and SVD.
        1. 0
          11 June 2015 10: 05
          I am not aware of the internal dismantling of the plant. But they will not accept complete crap for state tests even now.
          If YOU have some friction with someone there or something else - you should not throw it here. And, moreover, you should not give out your troubles for the ultimate truth.
          1. +1
            11 June 2015 10: 45
            When this AK-12-based sniper rifle appears, I will be pleased to continue our dialogue. Excusez-moi! hi
  8. +11
    11 June 2015 08: 45
    I spent the whole training with such a "machine gun", the same AK only with bipods and a longer barrel. Studying with such a "machine gun" I hardly became a machine gunner, although the military profession is exactly that, but still the basic principles of a machine gunner on the PKK can be learned.
    The main feature of this unit is the bipod and firing range, in the training they sometimes competed with snipers with SVD, if the PKK was well shot, sometimes they won from such disputes)))))) the bipod is still VESCH !!!!)))))) )))
    1. kvs45
      0
      13 June 2015 15: 53
      bipods are good, but don’t need them to be mounted on the barrel. Accuracy drops. If the machine gunner shot the sniper, then this is not a sniper, but a kid with an SVD
  9. Harvest
    +5
    11 June 2015 09: 21
    Little criticism of the concept of unification and articles on the RPK-RPK-74 under-machine gun
    Nevertheless, military They wanted to simplify production and operation through unification,

    More likely not military, but military theorists. Military practices just always understood that unification and universalization meant the loss of specialization of weapons.
    In theory, equipping a millionth army with unified weapons is beneficial, but in practice, millions of armies have not fought for a long time, and RTG and BTG need different and specialized weapons.
    As an example, during the transfer to Afghanistan of 328 PAP 104 VDD, machine gunners were immediately issued PKM instead of RPKs-74
    Well, military practices somehow simplify production by drum. They need a good weapon, not a simplification of production.

    For all its drawbacks, the idea of ​​unifying a machine gun and light machine gun was recognized as viable and appropriate.

    In peacetime and for the millionth draft army. As soon as I had to really fight (in Chechnya, for example), the disadvantages of unification immediately exceeded all its advantages.

    If necessary, the machine gunner could fold the butt by turning to the left, due to which the total length of the weapon was reduced by 215 mm, to some extent facilitating its carrying.

    This was done not to facilitate carrying, but to allow landing with PKKs
    Although landing with this short-range gun was not convenient from this. Mooring RPKs was not possible on the chest (like AKMs and AKs) because of its length. A machine gun moored wrapped in a raincoat tent on the back on the right.
    1. +1
      11 June 2015 16: 14
      I'll start from the end:
      e to facilitate carrying, this was done, and for the possibility of landing with PKKs
      Although landing with this short-range gun was not convenient from this. Mooring RPKs was not possible on the chest (like AKMs and AKs) because of its length. A machine gun moored wrapped in a raincoat tent on the back on the right.
      Can a PC or RPD on the chest moor normally? They are short as machine guns laughing
      In peacetime and for the millionth draft army. As soon as I had to really fight (in Chechnya, for example), the disadvantages of unification immediately exceeded all its advantages.
      Fully equipped armies fought in Chechnya under the terms of a full-scale war? An open front line? Or are you hinting at catching up in the mountains? When does a group of special forces roam in search of a group of fighters on their land?
      1. Harvest
        +3
        11 June 2015 22: 01
        Quote: Marssik
        I'll start from the end:

        In vain, one must start from the beginning.
        What are you trying to prove to me? What is a folding butt on RPKs for easy carrying? Why have PCs and RPDs been dragged here? What do they have to do with landing PKKs?
        Do you understand that you read or just feel the need to look right in the debate, but the meaning is not important?

        Fully equipped armies fought in Chechnya under the terms of a full-scale war? An open front line?

        And what does it mean? What RPK-RPK-74 in Chechnya turned out to be very popular?
        Or maybe you think that it will be in demand tomorrow and we will fight as military theorists of the 50s of the twentieth century assumed betting on unification?
        1. +2
          11 June 2015 22: 56
          What are you trying to prove to me? What is a folding butt on RPKs for easy carrying? Why have PCs and RPDs been dragged here? What do they have to do with landing PKKs?

          YOU complain, oh, a short gun, oh a folding butt. Try to crawl into the BTR’s 60-70-80 assault squad with the butt of the RPK spread out, and even with the standard and optics, and then with the folded one I hope you will feel the difference.
          And what does it mean? What RPK-RPK-74 in Chechnya turned out to be very popular?
          Or maybe you think that it will be in demand tomorrow and we will fight as military theorists of the 50s of the twentieth century assumed betting on unification?
          And what disadvantages are you trying to hint at when mentioning the 1st Chechen ??? Maybe there who threw these PKK? Urgently changed to machines? Just then, the unification with an ammunition assault rifle did a good job, with frequent supply through the anus.
          1. Harvest
            +3
            11 June 2015 23: 42
            Quote: Marssik
            YOU complain

            Clearly - a troll. Well then, I'll feed you a little.
            Firstly, I’m not complaining about the folding butt, but about the statement that is not accurate from my point of view in the article, but it doesn’t matter to you, you need to seem smarter and more significant, right? You can consider yourself right, if you so want it, it will not disappear from me, and it has nothing to do with the subject of the conversation.
            Secondly, YES - MISSING, a heavy machine gun, but NON-machine gun.

            Try to crawl into the BTR’s 60-70-80 assault squad with the butt of the RPK spread out, and even with the standard and optics, and then with the folded one I hope you will feel the difference.

            I climbed into the BMD-74 with RPKs-1, and I replaced the machine gunner (if you know where it is) and without folding the butt.
            Is RPKs-74 is in service with motorized rifles? There wasn’t such a thing during my service.
            And are RPKs - RPKs-74 not made specifically for the Airborne Forces?
            What kind of optics on the RPK are we talking about? I served a long time and of course lagged behind life, enlighten.

            Quote: Marssik
            And what disadvantages are you trying to hint at when mentioning the 1st Chechen ???

            RPK-74 (just like the RPK) is not a machine gun! We did not take them with us to the war and have never regretted it. As a “weapon” of support, they do not justify themselves, as they cannot create a greater density of fire. They are not able to either put a normal barrage fire, or “crush” the enemy with fire. For this you need tape power and a removable barrel.
            It’s good to shoot from RPK-74 with a single fire, but then it’s better to carry the same uncomfortable SVD with you - the effect will be much higher. No unification of weapons at the platoon’s level, which is detrimental to firing efficiency, can serve as an excuse (at least in the "special forces") .http: //weaponland.ru/publ/chem_my_voevali_v_chechne/15-1-0
            -336


            Quote: Marssik
            Just then, the unification with an ammunition assault rifle did a good job, with frequent supply through the anus.

            The supply through the anus cannot be an excuse for the deterioration of the performance characteristics of weapons
            If we refer to the difficulties of supply, then we must switch to ONE caliber of all small arms and leave the only type of ammunition.
            Better yet, return to the production of ammunition by the shooters themselves.
            Well, there an arrow is cut out of improvised materials or cast bullets around a fire.
            1. +1
              12 June 2015 12: 27
              (at least in the "special forces")
              Again, looking back at the special forces, probably we need to disperse all motorized rifles and leave only the shtetsuhi. Have you been there?
              And are RPKs - RPKs-74 not made specifically for the Airborne Forces?
              What kind of optics on the RPK are we talking about? I served a long time and of course lagged behind life, enlighten.
              Probably not specifically, if the last 74M includes both a folding butt and a crotch. Optics? Well, from the ancient NSPU to 1P29, 1PN83 and PKN 03.
              When referring to supply difficulties
              The secret is clear to you that in war there are always difficulties with supplies, especially if you are cut off from the rear or a convoy carrying ammunition is carried to you. There is a good 6x49 cartridge, but it’s unlikely that they will switch to it, because you see how expensive it is for them to build a cartridge factory and don’t know where to store the stock of old cartridges.
              1. Harvest
                +4
                12 June 2015 20: 59
                Quote: Marssik
                probably you need to disperse all the motorized rifle

                Perhaps you need to understand what tasks the PKK performs.
                Not on paper and in the mental exercises of theoreticians, but in reality.
                And which ones are NOT fulfilled due to the fact that the machine gun in the full sense of the word is actually not.
                Quote: Marssik
                Looking back on special forces

                This is due to the fact, dear, that the special forces have to fight and not demonstrate their presence. In those cases when motorized riflemen and paratroopers have to actually fight (and not to portray, with the RPK at the ready in the battle line and ahead of the tanks, the embodiment of the dreams of military theorists in front of the cameras of the TV show "I Serve the Soviet Union"), preference is given to a real machine gun - PC
                Quote: Marssik
                Probably not on purpose if the last 74M

                Perhaps the Airborne Forces appeared simultaneously with the 74M or even a little later?
                Initially, for which troops was the PKKs intended? For motorized rifles?
                Night optics are of course needed. But only to me you don’t include a fool here about crawling into the troop compartment of an armored personnel carrier at night by standard with the NSPU installed on the PKK and that the folding butt helps a lot.
                Quote: Marssik
                The secret is clear to you that in war there are always difficulties with supply

                You can see the secret for you that the difficulties with supplying a rifle cartridge for a PC do not exceed those with an intermediate cartridge for a PKK
                If you listen, then you need to abandon the SVD and the pistols and the Cords because - difficulties with the supply. Grenades in general are some kind of crap, still messing with supplying them. And what difficulties arise when supplying food and medicine ...

                In general, I'm tired of feeding you. I think enough. Look for another person to talk to.
                1. +1
                  13 June 2015 00: 23
                  Perhaps you need to understand what tasks the PKK performs.
                  Not on paper and in the mental exercises of theoreticians, but in reality.
                  And which ones are NOT fulfilled due to the fact that the machine gun in the full sense of the word is actually not.
                  This was what we had to start with, this is a machine gun offices if you still don’t get it. There are 3 machine guns in the platoon, 9 + 3 company PCs in the company (which are exactly engaged in your adored machine gun tasks, one per platoon) per state.
                  This is because, dear, that the special forces have to fight and not demonstrate presence.
                  Yeah, full-time VPShG 12 people in it from 2 to 4 machine gunners, each of which drags a machine gun, a spare barrel, 800 rounds of ammunition, another 400 drag comrades and their balabasses in the taxi station for 10 days. The weight of only weapons and ammunition is 42 kg, how long will you go with such a load, you won’t need a second number? It seems like motorized rifles have easier tasks, they still interact with other types of troops, and do not go in search of superior enemy groups.
                  Night optics are of course needed. But only to me you don’t include a fool here about crawling into the troop compartment of an armored personnel carrier at night by standard with the NSPU installed on the PKK and that the folding butt helps a lot.
                  You know how it’s more convenient to fold the butt, as well as for SVD-S, since it’s more convenient for you with the unfolded ...
                  You can see the secret for you that the difficulties with supplying a rifle cartridge for a PC do not exceed those with an intermediate cartridge for a PKK
                  It is not a matter of difficulties, but of the possibility of continuing the battle at the expense of the automatic machine gun, when your ammunition is out.
                  1. Harvest
                    +1
                    13 June 2015 17: 55
                    Quote: Marssik
                    And this was what we had to start with, this is a machine gun of the squad, if it still hasn’t reached you.


                    It didn’t reach you that THIS IS NOT A MACHINE and it is not necessary to justify wretchedness by the fact that it is wretchedness of separation.
                    The Wehrmacht’s infantry squad had a real MG machine gun, and our military economist theorists decided that the PKK would be enough for the squad. Moreover, in order to unify (and in Russian cheaper) replaced the RPD on the PKK. And what? On the soldier, but not save? The PKK will come down from them, women will give birth to new soldiers.

                    Quote: Marssik
                    The weight of only weapons and ammunition is 42 kg, how long will you go with such a load, you won’t need a second number?

                    And do not go? Complaining? Are they asking for RPK-74 instead of RMB?

                    Quote: Marssik
                    It seems like motorized rifles have easier tasks, they still interact with other types of troops, and do not go in search of superior enemy groups.

                    Well, yes, simpler ... Until then, there is no need to fight. And here even interaction with other branches of the armed forces (It’s ridiculous to read this from someone who writes about supply difficulties. After all, to establish interaction between the military branches is just a spit, not just to establish a supply of rifle cartridges) does not help. The PKK cannot replace a machine gun at the squad - platoon level. Rota - it’s certainly good. But when I was digging the defense, it was a PLATFORM strong point and it turns out that we were not supposed to have a real machine gun.

                    Quote: Marssik
                    It’s more convenient to know how to fold a butt in SVD-S

                    Once again for the gifted.
                    WHEN was launched into the RPKs series and for which troops, and when did the SVD-S appear?
                    And what did you tell me about the LANDING RATE IN APC AT NIGHT WITH A PKK equipped with NSPU? Can you bring this standard?

                    Quote: Marssik
                    It is not a matter of difficulties, but of the possibility of continuing the battle at the expense of the automatic machine gun, when your ammunition is out.

                    What task, unbearable for AK, can the PKK perform? AND?
                    Your ammunition (any, even on a PC at least on the AK) went out, because
                    Quote: Marssik
                    you will be cut off from the rear or a convoy carrying you ammunition will be smashed
                    and you don’t have ammunition not only on the PC, but also on the AK and RPK. Or is an intermediate cartridge, unlike a rifle cartridge, growing on trees?
                    1. +1
                      13 June 2015 19: 52
                      It didn’t reach you that THIS IS NOT A MACHINE and it is not necessary to justify wretchedness by the fact that it is wretchedness of separation.
                      The Wehrmacht’s infantry squad had a real MG machine gun, and our military economist theorists decided that the PKK would be enough for the squad. Moreover, in order to unify (and in Russian cheaper) replaced the RPD on the PKK. And what? On the soldier, but not save? The PKK will come down from them, women will give birth to new soldiers.
                      And the machine gunner had a second number armed with just a pistol, since the ammo box is probably heavy laughing We stick a machine gun calculation in the compartment?
                      And do not go? Complaining? Are they asking for RPK-74 instead of RMB?
                      They complain also about how, as the most heavily loaded. It’s easier for the rest to go, even though the healthiest on a machine gun.
                      The PKK cannot replace a machine gun at the squad - platoon level. Rota - it’s certainly good. But when I was digging the defense, it was a PLATFORM strong point and it turns out that we were not supposed to have a real machine gun.
                      Well, yes, 1 PC you can see regretted, sadness ...
                      Once again for the gifted.
                      WHEN was launched into the RPKs series and for which troops, and when did the SVD-S appear?
                      And what did you tell me about the LANDING RATE IN APC AT NIGHT WITH A PKK equipped with NSPU? Can you bring this standard?
                      What is the difference WHEN, maybe from this the design and properties of the folding butt change ??? In the 80s, its use did not shorten the length of the weapon making it more mobile, but in 90 it suddenly began to be shortened, so do you think? laughing The standard as far as I remember is 16 seconds for separation, including balabas.
                      What task, unbearable for AK, can the PKK perform? AND?
                      Shoot and get bursts at 300-400 meters. Like any other long barrel. You can sing to me how you get from the 400 PC to the first or second line or from AK.
                      Your ammunition (any, even on a PC at least on the AK) went out, because
                      In AK, he comes out last, unlike a machine gun, al will you convince that the opposite? wassat Chew what happens when the machine gunner’s cartridges run out and where he then uses this very PC to use laziness.
                      1. Harvest
                        0
                        13 June 2015 20: 30
                        Quote: Marssik
                        And the machine gunner had a second number armed with just a pistol, since the ammo box is probably heavy

                        And even a third armed with a carbine. And what, is this proof of the inefficiency of MG at the branch level?
                        No, we give to the compartment a machine gun with a long barrel and a magazine for 10-15 rounds more and say - here's a machine gun for you. After that, we try not to look soldiers in the eyes and don’t hear what they think about us.

                        Quote: Marssik
                        They complain also about how, as the most heavily loaded. It’s easier for the rest to go, even though the healthiest on a machine gun.

                        And they are tearfully asking to replace PKM with the PKK?
                        We also had the healthiest one under RPG-16, which is much heavier than RPG-7. But after comparative shooting in the mountains from both, there was nothing to change RPG-16 to RPG-7.
                        I didn’t notice that it was easier for anyone in the company at the mountain exit to go, since weapons and ammunition were distributed equally among all, regardless of the staffing table.

                        Quote: Marssik
                        What is the difference WHEN

                        And such a difference - why was PKKs made? For ease of carrying or for the possibility of landing with him?

                        Quote: Marssik
                        Shoot and get bursts at 300-400 meters.

                        Standard exercise for shooting from AK.

                        Quote: Marssik
                        You can sing to me how you get from the 400 PC to the first or second line or from AK.

                        No, you are singing to me that the PKK is better and more accurate in shooting at 300-400 m than a PC. I will not let you raise a head with your PC with your PKK, not just the turn. I will tear down the trench parapet and the brick wall, and I will get it. You will have to scoop from the PC from this distance to a distance three times as large, and of course the lightness and the folding butt of RPKs help you

                        Quote: Marssik
                        In AK, he comes out last, unlike a machine gun, al will you convince that the opposite?

                        In PM, the cartridges end last, in contrast to the machine, al will you convince that the opposite?
                        Do you propose switching to submachine guns for the sake of being able to shoot a pistol cartridge from a machine gun?
                      2. +1
                        13 June 2015 21: 00
                        Quote: Harvest
                        Standard exercise for shooting from AK.

                        Well for standard it's too much request I already need very good preparation 150-200 m I agree and this is already a good result
                      3. Harvest
                        +1
                        13 June 2015 22: 25
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Well, for standard it’s too much. Very good preparation is already needed 150-200 m I agree and this is already a good result

                        Recall the 3rd training shooting exercise
                        ZU US (excerpts)
                        Shooting at a target
                        with change of firing position

                        Objectives:
                        the attacking (retreating) infantry group - two arrows (target No. 7), located at different lines, simulating the movement (approach, removal) of the target, while the long-range shooter appears for 20 s and the nearest - for 15 s with an interval of 10 - 15 s (day and night);
                        fire group - two figures: a machine gun (target number 10) and a shooter (target number 7) at the front of at least 10 m appear twice 10 times a day, at night - 15 seconds with an interval of 15 seconds;

                        Range to target number 7 for AK, RPK and PC - 450-550 m
                        Range to target number 10 for AK and RPK - 250-350 meters, for a PC 350-450 meters


                        Correction
                        When we did this exercise, the targets did not appear again, it was necessary to hit the target the first time and be sure to use automatic fire (they created a "density of fire", there was no real machine gun), for attempts to hit the target with a single one - they beat me.
                        There were no special differences in the direction of a more accurate hit from the RPKs-74 compared to the AKs-74, although subjectively it seemed that the turn of the RPK was more crowded and the bullet trajectory was more laid out. But the result was always the same - the SAME number of shot down targets from both the RPKS-74 and the AKs-74
                        If I, being then Art. the shooter shot well, then shot well from both types of weapons.
                        If the machine gunner Abunazarov fired poorly, then he fired just as poorly from AKs as from RPKs.
                      4. +2
                        13 June 2015 22: 42
                        Quote: Harvest
                        If I, being then Art. the shooter shot well, then shot well from both types of weapons.

                        Transfer the same to motorized rifles recruited in sunny Uzbekistan sad
                        Quote: Harvest
                        for trying to hit a target with a single - they beat.


                        I was beaten if during the session I was distracted by the explosion of a grenade (explosive pack) at 5 meters. As always, there is a misunderstanding between genera and species bully
                      5. Harvest
                        +2
                        13 June 2015 23: 01
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Transfer the same to motorized rifles recruited in sunny Uzbekistan

                        But what to steam? We have these non-combatants-Uzbeks up to a quarter l / s and this is the Airborne Forces, the guard. The same machine gunner, Abunazarov, fired for a month with the shifted (accidentally) to the extreme right position entirely and could not understand why the bullets were flying towards neighboring targets. And most importantly, both the officers and sergeants were on the drum - well, the Uzbek, what to take from him, doesn’t beat in his own way.
                      6. +1
                        13 June 2015 23: 09
                        Quote: Harvest
                        the Uzbek, what to take from him, doesn’t peel in his own way.

                        So it turns out that we are discussing performance characteristics in isolation from reality
                        And as you descend to the ground, then how with the riot police on the exam, or very strong or full dolbyotyaty
                      7. Harvest
                        +2
                        13 June 2015 23: 22
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        So it turns out that we are discussing performance characteristics in isolation from reality

                        I agree. TTX is one thing, and reality is another.
                        In real life, it would never occur to anyone to shoot from the AK with bursts at the sighting range according to the performance characteristics.
                        Ideally, and according to instructions on hitting a target from a PKK, less rounds of ammunition are spent than on the same target from a PC, and in real time, with a PC, I’ll squeeze the entire compartment with its PKK to the ground at a distance greater than the effective firing range from the PKK, my head is not I’m gonna raise it and I will not let the effective fire from the PKK go
                      8. +1
                        13 June 2015 23: 27
                        Quote: Harvest
                        TTX is one thing, but reality is another.

                        And if you recall what this reality is .... winked laughing
                      9. +1
                        13 June 2015 22: 38
                        3 UUS
                        Shooting from a place on emerging and moving targets
                        with a change in firing position.
                        Objectives:
                        - the attacking (retreating) infantry group — two growth figures (target No. 8) at a front of up to 3 m moving at an angle of 15-250 to the firing plane at a speed of 2-3 m / s over 60 m; In the mountains, for servicemen of military branches and special forces, two arrows (target number 7) are located instead of a moving target, located at different lines, simulating the movement (approach, removal) of the target, while the long-range shooter appears for 20 s, and the nearest - for 15 with an interval of 10-15 s.
                        - Infantry infantry - two figures - a machine gun (target number 10) and a shooter - a chest figure (target number 6) at the front of at least 6 m appearing for 30 s;
                        - the attacking shooter (target number 8) appears twice for 10 s. with an interval of 10 s; for a sniper rifle - a light machine gun (target No. 10) appears twice every 10 days, at night for 15 seconds, with an interval of 15 seconds.
                        Range to goals, m:
                        Type of weapon Targets
                        attacking (withdrawing) infantry group lying down infantry attacking shooter (light machine gun)
                        AK, RPK 450-350 250-350 150-250
                        PC 450-550 350-450 150-250
                        SVD 450-550 350-450 250-350
                        Ammo Amount:
                        - for machine guns, RPK, PK machine guns - 30, of which 9 with tracer bullets;
                        - for a sniper rifle - 10, of which 3 with tracer bullets.
                        Position for shooting: standing from the trench from the stop (from the bipod).
                        Evaluation:
                        "excellent" hit all targets
                        "good" to hit the attacking (withdrawing) and fire groups
                        "satisfactory" to hit three targets
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                        14 June 2015 00: 39
                        No, we give to the compartment a machine gun with a long barrel and a magazine for 10-15 rounds more and say - here's a machine gun for you. After that, we try not to look soldiers in the eyes and don’t hear what they think about us.

                        You look in the eyes of your army teachers, maybe they will be ashamed? The elephant must not be noticed ...
                      11. 0
                        14 June 2015 16: 09
                        And they are tearfully asking to replace PKM with the PKK?
                        We also had the healthiest one under RPG-16, which is much heavier than RPG-7. But after comparative shooting in the mountains from both, there was nothing to change RPG-16 to RPG-7.
                        If anyone had given, they would not have refused. Sitting in ambush is something instead of a regular 74M. You can't adapt it anywhere else in the mountains, the distance is small. But with the wisdom of the commanders I was given RPG7 and 5 PG 7VM grenades, although there was no enemy on tanks and armored vehicles in the daytime with fire, and all my "tearful requests" for an RPO-A pack, two MPO pipes or OG7 grenades, at worst, was received a decisive refusal. So we are fighting with what we have.
                        I didn’t notice that it was easier for anyone in the company at the mountain exit to go, since weapons and ammunition were distributed equally among all, regardless of the staffing table.
                        But then it is clear that you did not have to crawl under fire in search of "distributed" ammunition.
                      12. Harvest
                        +1
                        14 June 2015 17: 35
                        Quote: Marssik
                        So we are fighting with what we have.

                        Here! We always fight with what we have. But "what is" should be decided by theorists who should not fight with this "what is".
                        But this is half the trouble. The trouble is when those who have to fight. any unsuccessful decision of higher theoreticians justifies and considers the only right one.

                        Quote: Marssik
                        But then it is clear that you did not have to crawl under fire in search of "distributed" ammunition.

                        Of course, one does not have to crawl under the machine gun of the PKK in search of the ammunition for the AK, they give it to him all before the battle.
                    2. 0
                      14 June 2015 00: 36
                      The Wehrmacht’s infantry squad had a real MG machine gun, and our military economist theorists decided that the PKK would be enough for the squad. Moreover, in order to unify (and in Russian cheaper) replaced the RPD on the PKK. And what? On the soldier, but not save? The PKK will come down from them, women will give birth to new soldiers.


                      You carry complete crap. The firepower of the MCO did not dream of any Wehrmacht.
                      The PKK cannot replace a machine gun at the squad - platoon level. Rota - it’s certainly good. But when I was digging the defense, it was a PLATFORM strong point and it turns out that we were not supposed to have a real machine gun.

                      You crap again. How can you not see at least three machine guns known only to "practitioners" ...
                      1. Harvest
                        0
                        14 June 2015 10: 44
                        Quote: Droid
                        You look in the eyes of your army teachers, maybe they will be ashamed?

                        No need to write nonsense. My army teachers have never been ashamed. They ate soldiers rations and drank with the money collected from the soldiers. My army teachers, with rare exceptions, were "at least a piss in the eyes - all the dew of God"

                        Quote: Droid
                        The elephant must not be noticed ...

                        Have you noticed the elephant? Pink probably?

                        Quote: Droid
                        You carry complete crap. The firepower of the MCO did not dream of any Wehrmacht.

                        It’s you who the hell is saying that the firepower of the MCO did not even dream of the Wehrmacht (not the infantry squad, but VERMAKHTU).
                        Although...
                        The Wehrmacht really "never dreamed of", but the comparison of firepower infantry squad Wehrmacht of sample 41g with the fire power of the MCO SA 61 g is at least not correct since the times are different, and as a maximum in terms of small arms it will not be in favor of the MCO, since weapons under an intermediate cartridge cannot compete with a machine gun under a rifle cartridge.
                        If we take the infantry or airborne squad of the Wehrmacht of Sample 44, not according to the state, but in its field role, there are already TWO MG-42 per squad plus StG-44 instead of Mauser 98K and the small arms fire of the MCO smokes aside.
                        Quote: Droid
                        How can you not see at least three machine guns known only to "practitioners" ...

                        So, in fact, practices differ from theoreticians in that they live not by conventions and theoretical calculations, but by reality.
                        Only theorists can see three machine guns where in real life there is not one.
                        I can advise you to further increase the "firepower" of the MSO.
                        Arm all the motorized rifles PPSh or PPS.
                        Raise the number of "machine guns" in the squad to ten and you will tell everyone about the unprecedented firepower of ten pink elephants.
                      2. -1
                        14 June 2015 11: 23
                        If we take the infantry or airborne squad of the Wehrmacht of Sample 44, not according to the state, but in its field role, there are already TWO MG-42 per squad plus StG-44 instead of Mauser 98K and the small arms fire of the MCO smokes aside.

                        Yah? Tell me how many branches of the Wehrmacht were moved by an armed gun and a machine gun in a combat vehicle? Well, or at worst, two machine guns, one of which is a large-caliber.

                        Only “practices” like you are capable of not noticing in the BMP / BTR unit. And while the "practitioners" tell compassionate tales that the department allegedly does not have a machine gun, technically silent about the presence of a gun / KPVT and PKT with ammunition in 2000 rounds of ammunition ... I can only say one thing - go fuck.
                      3. Harvest
                        +2
                        14 June 2015 13: 46
                        Quote: Droid
                        Yah?

                        Well yes!
                        A little more than a year of adoption of the PKK, because in 61 BMPs with a gun and PKT with an ammunition load of 2000 rounds in nature did not exist.
                        Do not break theoretical bullshit. It hurts her!
                        At that time, when the RPK was adopted, there was only the BTR-60 with the SGMB, which is a machine gun and was later replaced by a PKB (that is, a normal machine gun chambered for a rifle cartridge), and even later KPVT (do not remind you of the barrel life of this wonderful machine gun and what is its combat value when fighting in the mountains or in a village with an enemy more or less equal in strength and weapons?)

                        Maybe it’s a secret for you that in the armament of the Wehrmacht’s motorized infantry division there were already Sd.Kfz.40 APCs on which (imagine) there was also a machine gun and even (who would have thought) 251 cm Pak guns were installed 3,7/35?
                        Quote: Droid
                        Only “practices” like you are capable of not noticing in the BMP / BTR unit.

                        Notice in the year of adoption of the BMD BMP, which was not yet in place, and not notice in the motorized infantry department of the Wehrmacht BTR armed with a machine gun (and with platoon commanders and a cannon), which was already in the 40s, only such an ignoramus theorist is capable of a skewed bias like you.
                        Only theoreticians, economists, on the blood of a soldier can come up with the name "machine gun" for an elongated machine gun.
                        Quote: Droid
                        I can only say one thing - go fuck.

                        Are you there already? Well then - turn around.
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              3. +2
                14 June 2015 00: 44
                Quote: Marssik
                The secret is clear to you that in war there are always difficulties

                I will tell you a little secret - the war is generally a continuous "difficulty".
                Yes, and the war can be different, there are options when that brought with it and is full.
                I remember I had to study the charters ...
                "When performing combat missions, a platoon (squad, crew) fires from combat weapons
                infantry vehicles (armored personnel carriers) and tanks, from machine guns, machine guns, sniper rifles,
                grenade launchers, uses hand grenades, and in hand-to-hand combat - strikes with a bayonet, butt and
                infantry shovel. "
                Those. bullet-fool, well-done bayonet laughing
                Only nowhere in the charters did I see how to maintain a front of 1 km in a mountainous area without the support of an artel or at least BMD (BTR).
                And here Harvest is right a thousand times, for the PKK separation (platoon) is weak, do not go to your grandmother.
                1. 0
                  14 June 2015 15: 54
                  Only nowhere in the charters did I see how to maintain a front of 1 km in a mountainous area without the support of an artel or at least BMD (BTR).
                  These are supposedly motorized rifle missions ??? Or maybe spetsnazovskie ??? Who at least hold a company, regiment or division with a division ???laughing Okay, I would also understand some kind of corridor-gorge. But let’s say the front, located on a slope or a peak wassat
            2. +3
              14 June 2015 00: 06
              Quote: Harvest
              Better yet, return to the production of ammunition by the shooters themselves.
              Well, there an arrow is cut out of improvised materials or cast bullets around a fire.

              Harvest, you are clearly in shock! +100500 good drinks
              1. Harvest
                +1
                14 June 2015 18: 27
                I’m trying, Fedor Ivanovich. laughing drinks
  10. wanderer_032
    +2
    11 June 2015 10: 05
    The machine gun is good, but the magazine capacity is not enough for this type of weapon. At least 100-150 rounds would be. Then it would be a matter.



    The collimator sight should definitely stand. It would also be nice to equip it with an air-cooled barrel, if the store is more spacious.

    A store for him with this design is needed:
  11. 0
    11 June 2015 11: 52
    And from the store of this design cartridges are symmetrically fed? So I understand that this is polycarbonate? The idea is not bad, but with inevitable jambs in production, polycarbonate has a bad property - in places of stress it cracks, and the life cycle of such a store can be equal to one turn ...
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      1. Elk
        Elk
        0
        11 June 2015 14: 31
        For me personally, in the place of the machine gunner, it would be completely irrelevant for what material such a store would be made at the factory. The main requirement for all parts and components of weapons is still one - reliability. In addition, today there are so many new plastics of all kinds ...

        Now let's think about how the horse-gunner will equip the store. The larger the capacity, the more powerful the spring under the feeder, respectively, the greater the force when equipped.
        There are not so many plastics, but which is characteristic, all of them are extremely negative towards negative temperatures. Already at -10 they become extremely fragile. And, I think, the machine gunner really does not like it if the store crumbles after the first stage ...
        1. wanderer_032
          +1
          11 June 2015 14: 54
          Quote: Elk
          There are not so many plastics, but which is characteristic, all of them are extremely negative towards negative temperatures. Already at -10 they become extremely fragile.


          Yah? Really? Ai-ai-ya-ya! laughing

          Quote: Elk
          Now let's think about how the horse-gunner will equip the store.


          With the same horseradish as they equipped the PPSh store and the first PKK - with their hands. For those who are not up to date and sleeping in an embrace with a walkie-talkie (which is on an armored train) that the design of such stores allows them to be equipped quite quickly. There is a removable lid on the back. And for those who find it difficult, they should not give a machine gun to their hands (and generally firearms as well).

          Quote: Elk
          And, I think, the machine gunner really does not like it if the store crumbles after the first stage ...


          Something no one in the world has ever complained about these stores. And even more so it did not ache that they were falling apart after the first stage.
          1. +2
            11 June 2015 16: 07
            Quote: wanderer_032
            For those who are not up to date and sleeping in an embrace with a walkie-talkie (which is on an armored train) that the design of such stores allows them to be equipped quite quickly.

            Nu-nu, only with the cover removed, the PPSh magazine is equipped, the RPK disk magazine is charged one cartridge at a time with the simultaneous pressing of the loading lever, and it is fundamentally impossible to charge it with the cover removed. True, there are Chinese tambourines for 75 and 100 rounds, here they are charged exclusively with the cover removed, but it is no longer possible to recharge them through the neck.
          2. ivan.ru
            +1
            11 June 2015 17: 17
            wanderer_032

            "Quote: Elk

            Now let's think about how the horse-gunner will equip the store.


            The same hell as they equipped the PPSh store and the first PKK - with their hands. For those who do not know and sleep in an embrace with a walkie-talkie (which is on an armored train), the design of such stores allows them to be quickly equipped. There is a removable cover on the back. And for those who find it difficult, a machine gun should not be given (and firearms in general as well). "
            the design of the shops for PCA and RPK was somewhat different from this device, and they were equipped quite simply, really, and even, one might say, quickly. but you can’t hold this fit with one hand, it will be problematic to equip automatically. Or will he enter the troops already equipped at the factory, like the Americans have machine gun stores with loose tape?
            1. Elk
              Elk
              +1
              11 June 2015 17: 56
              and they equipped quite simply,

              Really simple. But only when they don’t shoot you and you sit at the table.
            2. +1
              11 June 2015 21: 29
              Quote: ivan.ru
              but you can’t hold this fit with one hand, it will be problematic to equip automatically.

              They are equipped with a special device, either in bulk 5-10 pieces at a time or with clips of 10 rounds, even in bulk, no more is spent on tambourine equipment for the RPK, the only thing that annoys is that without a plastic device, charge the S-mage for more than 10 rounds will not work - the strength is not enough.
              1. wanderer_032
                +5
                11 June 2015 22: 01
                Quote: gross kaput
                the only thing that annoys is that without a plastic device to charge the C-mage with more than 10 rounds will not work - the strength is not enough.


                Prosharisty Americans have already done everything so that the reloading process is accelerated and does not strain people:

                1. Harvest
                  +3
                  11 June 2015 22: 16
                  Quote: wanderer_032
                  Prosharisty Americans have already done everything so that the reloading process is accelerated and does not strain people:

                  Well this is not for us.
                  Our generals or whoever else is responsible for armament and equipment do not accept such things. Well, the complication and "extra" costs. Let the soldiers work with their fingers so that the service does not seem like honey.
                  Generals being cadets hands scored shops? They scored! Well, there’s nothing here! And whatever you want, it can reach orange juice before the attack.
                  1. -3
                    11 June 2015 23: 01
                    Yeah, that kind of fighter in the trench opens a pack laughing , one at a time shoves cartridges into the receiving windows belay , then inserts the store and only then begins the magical movement with the handle of this device. Al can we also supply cartridges in such plastic boxes? wassat
                2. Elk
                  Elk
                  0
                  12 June 2015 06: 47
                  Prosharisty Americans have already done everything so that the reloading process is accelerated and does not strain people:

                  Well, they are not so pro-ballistic. In general, devices that accelerate and facilitate the equipment of stores appeared almost simultaneously with the advent of stores. And with the advent and spread of automatic weapons, almost every model had one or another device for equipping either ribbons or various types of stores. In some cases, such devices were an integral part of the weapon itself.
                  By the way, pay attention to the effort that this subject applies to the handle when adjusting equipment stores, especially the last double drum.
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          4. Elk
            Elk
            +2
            11 June 2015 17: 52
            Yah? Really? Ai-ai-ya-ya! laughing

            Well, yes, such an ayayay.
            With the same horseradish as they equipped the PPSh store and the first PKK - with their hands. For those who are not up to date and sleeping in an embrace with a walkie-talkie (which is on an armored train) that the design of such stores allows them to be equipped quite quickly. There is a removable lid on the back. And for those who find it difficult, they should not give a machine gun to their hands (and generally firearms as well).

            One can clearly see a person who has never filled a 45-round magazine from the PKK. Especially there they deliver the last 5-7 rounds. How I equip a RPK tambourine I know quite well, but in combat conditions its equipment is unrealistic balancing act.
            Something no one in the world has ever complained about these stores. And even more so it did not ache that they were falling apart after the first stage.

            And did someone use these double eggs at -30?
            ZY Baby, you should not be rude.
    2. 0
      12 June 2015 09: 53
      So I understand that this is polycarbonate?
      it’s just an exhibition layout for the purpose of organizing the supply of cartridges
  12. +1
    11 June 2015 13: 21
    Quote: wanderer_032
    A store for him with this design is needed:

    And didn’t they bring the carob to mind? It seems that information about multi-row 60 and even 100-charging ones slipped through. The type is more convenient when carrying due to the smaller dimensions, and weigh less.
    1. wanderer_032
      +1
      11 June 2015 14: 13
      Quote: brn521
      Quote: wanderer_032
      A store for him with this design is needed:

      And didn’t they bring the carob to mind? It seems that information about multi-row 60 and even 100-charging ones slipped through. The type is more convenient when carrying due to the smaller dimensions, and weigh less.


      So where are they? Let them show it live. In general, how do you imagine a "carob" type store for 100 rounds?

      I can show the American double-row large-capacity stores for AK:



      As you can see, of course more convenient to carry due to the smaller dimensions, and weigh less laughing
  13. +1
    11 June 2015 15: 29
    Good machine, I happened to ...... good
  14. +2
    11 June 2015 15: 38
    Quote: wanderer_032
    So where are they? Let them show as they say live.

    Yes, everywhere they are, only hiding. Our 60 rounds on the Hansa http://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/147/603783.html, then it seems to be on sale in ads pop up. Western on 60 and 100 http://www.surefire.com/mag5-100.html. Well, how it is now with reliability is unclear. And so the horns, even if square in cross-section, are still more convenient to scatter along the pouches than discs.
    Quote: wanderer_032
    How do you imagine a carob-type magazine for 100 rounds?

    Like a carob on 45, swollen in thickness and slightly in length.
    1. wanderer_032
      0
      11 June 2015 19: 09
      Quote: brn521
      Our 60 rounds on the Hansa


      Bullshit. And frank. For a long time, these stores apparently do not serve.
      But this is not a gift to anyone:



      1. wanderer_032
        0
        11 June 2015 22: 05
        Quote: wanderer_032
        Bullshit. And frank.


        It's a pity the photo from the "Hansa" was not loaded, but there it is. And there you can clearly see what happens to the cartridges when the store starts to "mow". Those interested can look at this link:
        http://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/147/603783.html
  15. sergey908
    +2
    11 June 2015 16: 11
    When served had to use, cool machine!
  16. ivan.ru
    +1
    11 June 2015 16: 44
    "During the development of the RPK-74 machine gun, the ammunition system was rethought. PKK equipped with a sector box-type double-row magazine on 40 cartridges or drum 75 rounds. In addition, he could use standard magazines from Kalashnikov assault rifles for 30 rounds. "
    author, do not drive the blizzard. sector store for RPKs under 7,62x39- on 45 cartridges. I was a machine gunner in the SA, and had to shoot all the machine guns, from rpd to dshkm. I had mine - rpd
    1. +3
      11 June 2015 17: 17
      RPK horn 40, RPK-74 horn 45, I don’t know where you were a machine gunner, but this is no longer a military secret. laughing
  17. +4
    11 June 2015 18: 36
    This machine gun was punished in due time. As a female lover and caught with ladies on the territory of the unit, they made PKK-74 No. CB 4737 happy - running with him is very inconvenient. Shooting is good only from a prone position - thanks to the bipod.
  18. 0
    12 June 2015 00: 14
    Automatic with increased and improved accuracy, accuracy of fire, penetration over long distances. For this, the barrel was lengthened and chromed and the mechanical part of the weapon was strengthened, bipods were installed due to increased mass. There are no obvious advantages over AK and fire authority as a PC. Although almost all the armies of the world have light machine guns based on automatic rifles and machine guns. In urban battles it is inconvenient, in the field it is probably needed to keep the enemy at a distance.
  19. 0
    12 June 2015 00: 14
    Automatic with increased and improved accuracy, accuracy of fire, penetration over long distances. For this, the barrel was lengthened and chromed and the mechanical part of the weapon was strengthened, bipods were installed due to increased mass. There are no obvious advantages over AK and fire authority as a PC. Although almost all the armies of the world have light machine guns based on automatic rifles and machine guns. In urban battles it is inconvenient, in the field it is probably needed to keep the enemy at a distance.
  20. +3
    12 June 2015 20: 16
    Let's just say, from my personal experience of communicating with RPKS (N) 74, I made the following conclusions for myself. This is a more improved version of the machine. The range, accuracy and accuracy have increased. As a machine gun in the mass understanding (conducting dense automatic fire), it does not fit. That is, it is also a machine gun, but clearly designed for its segment of use. It is designed specifically to support a motorized rifle or airborne squad with fire and is calculated correctly. A squad in an offensive is always mobile; the machine gunner simply does not have time to organize a machine gun position. In addition, dynamic combat always provides for short bursts of movement with fast transfer of fire from unstable positions or movement. Well, it is not intended to suppress the enemy with fire like the Company PC or Pecheneg. And the idea of ​​"attaching" hefty "ten-row" stores to him is also complete stupidity, since it immediately reduces the mobility of the machine gun, increases the weight, reload time, requires more ammunition, respectively, the weight of the barrel, additional cooling, etc. That is, if the grandmother had "bunnies "she would be a grandfather. I am sure that most of V.O. supporters of this particular doctrine. And more .. five kopecks for fans of all kinds of "picatinny rails". All these "convenient things" cling to everything and wear out uniforms and ammunition more. I am already silent that, for example, a picatinny mounted on the barrel as in the first photos of the Negev (God forbid, anything will be installed on it) with a probability close to 100 will worsen the accuracy or drive the aiming point away. And what and who is going to put on all these picatinis? Well, the sight is clear, well, the night is clear, but what else? A flashlight can be tactical, then you probably should immediately hang it on your forehead so as not to suffer. A little about the benefits of RED DOT laser collimator sights. This is generally a song .. The colimator is set to the maximum range of DIRECT SHOT. Direct and nothing more. So, in my deepest opinion, the machine gun is sharpened absolutely correctly, the dovetails would only be installed on the left side, but this is a matter of technology.
  21. +2
    13 June 2015 21: 17
    Quote: REZMovec
    Where the RPD puts 4-5 bullets (in short bursts) into the target, the RPK / RPK-74 will lay 1-2 bullets. AT


    Quote: D-Master
    Its main drawback is it DOES NOT ENSURE the REQUIRED fire density - i.e. DIRECT machine gun duties.


    And now we tear off the NSD.

    Distance 400, target number 5 head. Number of rounds for a short burst for destruction:

    PC - 12 pcs.
    RPK-74 - 5 pcs.
    RPD - 6 pcs.
    RPK - 8 pcs.

    The rate of fire is about the same. Combat rate of fire for the 150 handbrake, for the 250 PC.

    Then the number of targets hit per minute:

    PC - 21
    RPK-74 - 30
    RPD - 25
    RPK - 19


    Either a misprint in the NSD, or someone is composing something (we will not point the finger).
    1. 0
      10 August 2015 03: 58
      Of course he composes, with RPK-74 it’s a pleasure to shoot from bipods, then I couldn’t shoot with full-time AKM ... RPK-74 has very good persistence ... The only minus is not capacious stores, but modern ones with 60 and 95 rounds should approach him like.
  22. 0
    14 June 2015 00: 11
    Quote: tracer
    A little about the benefits of laser collimator sights such as RED DOT

    Yes ... "horses, people mixed in a heap" Ts.
    laughing
    Quote: tracer
    The collimator is set to the maximum range of DIRECT SHOT. Direct and nothing more
    Based on this, the question is - have you even seen from far away, at least Chinese, this Red-Dot laser-collimator sight? laughing apparently no, otherwise they would not have written with a kind of mentor tone, would this stupidity
    Quote: tracer
    The collimator is set to the maximum range of DIRECT SHOT.

    I think that the person who will use the calic will figure it out himself that introducing corrections with screws when shooting is problematic laughing and shoot him at the range that he needs laughing so dear, to begin with, study the principle of the work of the Kalik and its functional differences from optics.
    The same applies to picatinny bars - everyone will figure out where, how and in what quantity and why he needs them, without empty philosophizing of a person who saw these only in pictures.
    1. 0
      16 June 2015 17: 27
      It is not very pleasant to argue with a man who did not serve in the army. Unlike you, I have a great idea not only about how Red dot works, but also about the subject of this discussion. Touches your experience of playing shooting games on the console using the TV. Especially touches are the tips to shoot the machine gunner Red dot at him only the right distance. You tell this to your girlfriend. Brilliant knowledge of tactics and practice. And your desire to hang on a picatini all that a fighter wishes ...? Maybe for example you like hanging Christmas toys or halokiti there? No, I don’t want to offend you in the end. After all, this is your right to choose. But the fighter in the units is a full-time unit and has no such choice. Armed and equipped as required by the state. And it doesn’t have anything superfluous in the case of the air force. And fire from a machine gun, as well as any weapon, is conducted at a range from minimum to maximum. So something like that ..
      1. +1
        17 June 2015 13: 59
        Quote: tracer
        It’s not very pleasant to argue with a man who did not serve in the army

        Do we personally know each other? I was already sick of the characters trying to hide their ignorance with the sacred phrase "and you did not serve in the army!" served a respected and far from being in the construction battalion, and then another 10 years in the Ministry of Internal Affairs as an armament inspector rammed off.
        Quote: tracer
        Unlike you, I have a great idea not only about how Red dot works, but also about the subject of this discussion

        Unlike me, you don’t have a damn idea about collimator sights otherwise you wouldn’t write nonsense about
        Quote: tracer
        laser collimator sights of the type RED DOT.
        where did you find the laser there? Laser hologram illumination is used in holographic sights - which, oddly enough, though by the principle of use are close to collimator sights, but nevertheless they are a separate family with a different operating principle.
        Quote: tracer
        Especially touches are the tips to shoot the machine gunner Red dot at him only the right distance.
        Based on this, the question is - what do you generally know about the sighting of weapons and the range of a direct shot? Although, in principle, I guess that you think that the DPV is the value at which the bullet falls into the top ten only, only in the life of the DPV is the distance at which the bullet, when aiming uniformly, falls into the specified size - for the AK-74 DPV on the chest target 400 with a tail, but here it’s impossible to shoot aiming at DPV laughing they shoot them at certain distances - for the USSR / RF, machine guns and machine guns are standardly reduced to a normal battle at 100 m. As a result, on a targeted AK-74, when the sight is set to "P" and when aiming at the center of the chest target at a distance of up to 400 bullets will hit in the size of the chest target - up or down but in the size, but bringing the weapon to a normal battle at a direct shot range is a new word in weaponry! laughing tell you about the advantages of collimator sights when aiming at close distances, or that the collimator’s aiming mark is usually 2-4 MOA and at a distance of 400 m it often completely covers the size of the chest target, and that magnifiers are often used to shoot at such distances I'm frankly lazy. As for the distance of the collimator’s shooting range - usually they’re beaten at 100 meters, but some shoot at 50 meters as well, for example, one of my acquaintances from the Central Internal Affairs Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, it all depends on typical tasks.
        Quote: tracer
        Maybe, for example, you like hanging Christmas toys there or halokiti

        I do not like uneducated boors - depending on the level of training of the fighter and tasks, "Christmas" toys also differ - read these guys a lecture - they will probably appreciate your knowledge of the subject
  23. 0
    15 June 2015 12: 04
    Quote: wanderer_032
    Bullshit. And frank. For a long time, these stores apparently do not serve.

    These 6L31 prototypes were bullshit. But by 2011. it seems like everything was fixed, tested and adopted, and everyone there "Knights" and others seem to be happy with the store. Then it was cut off. Only the reprint of the same one went.

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