On "Yantar" will lay the BDK "Peter Morgunov"

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In Kaliningrad, 11 June at the Yantar shipbuilding plant will lay a large landing ship (BDK) of the 11711 series "Peter Morgunov", reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta With reference to the representative of the company Sergey Mikhailov.



"BDK" Peter Morgunov "- the first serial ship project 11711, developed in the Nevsky Design Bureau. This is the newest development of the 1171 project, according to which, in 60-70-ies, Yantar Design Bureau built a series of 14 ships, ”said Mikhailov.

According to him, "the contract for its construction was signed with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in September 2014, the ship should be handed over to the Russian Navy in 2018 year."

The lead ship of this project “Ivan Gren” was laid in December 2004, launched on the water in 2012, its transfer to the sailors is scheduled for the current year.

Help newspaper: “BDK of this type is intended for the landing of troops and equipment on an unequipped coast. On deck carries two helicopters Ka-29. Armament: AK-176М automatic rapid-fire gun, two AK-630 anti-aircraft guns and multiple rocket launchers. "
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    1. +17
      10 June 2015 15: 36
      That's right, buy nefig from outside.
      1. +12
        10 June 2015 15: 47
        Poor long-suffering project! God grant that they Mistral and replaced!
        1. +28
          10 June 2015 15: 57
          It is incorrect to put the 11711 project (displacement 5 thousand tons) and Mistrali (per 20 thousand tons) in one row
          1. +8
            10 June 2015 16: 01
            Quote: Eugene-Eugene
            It is incorrect to put the 11711 project (displacement 5 thousand tons) and Mistrali (per 20 thousand tons) in one row


            Yes, somehow it was not correctly compared
          2. +6
            10 June 2015 16: 10
            In general, yes. But the Mistrals, we absolutely do not need. We need destroyers, frigates and corvettes with powerful air defense and missile defense. With a maximum quantitative salvo to reliably intercept hundreds and thousands of targets.
            1. +3
              10 June 2015 17: 08
              And will we provide assistance to allies such as Syria, Vietnam, Venezuela, etc. with corvettes or spaceborne airborne forces? And why the Airborne Forces? We will throw everyone with missiles, and missiles are not needed, we’re writing terrible comments. In general, we don’t need anything, we’ll throw all the hats, if we don’t have enough, we will ask the Chinese. Lucky in our country for smart people, overwhelming how many of them left for the hill and we still have sensible and all knowing. And why do we live so poorly, with such a huge number of smart and knowledgeable people. Unfortunately the saying goes; Gods do not burn pots, with our state played a cruel joke.
              1. 0
                10 June 2015 18: 16
                a large number of small ships, so that the entire landing did not drown in one large at once.
                the displacement of the recreation center should not be more than 2 thousand tons, even if the ship carries mainly equipment.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Lancastria - more than 4000 victimsmilitary transport. Tonnage: 16,243 GRT
                https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Армения_(теплоход,_1928) - > no less than 4500 victimsDisplacement 5770 tons
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyama_Maru - about 5,400 victimsmilitary transport. Tonnage: 7,089 tons

                that is, even the BDK is redundant, we need KFK / MDK.

                The paratrooper is even in worse conditions than the Littoral Combat Ship, which means the displacement should be even less than his.
                1. 0
                  11 June 2015 09: 30
                  Quote: Scraptor
                  that is, even the BDK is redundant, we need KFK / MDK.

                  Far to the MDK will sail away? The highways just allow the landing over the horizon to carry out, and even under the cover of turntables
                  1. 0
                    11 June 2015 14: 17
                    With a tanker - far away. Landing lines because of the horizon can be carried out only on turntables, these turntables can equally well be based on any boat the size of a corvette, or a mobilized civilian vessel.

                    To base the helicopters do not need a large ship, since the helicopter take off / run is not needed.
            2. Victor the Great
              0
              10 June 2015 19: 45
              Quote: NordUral
              But the Mistrals we absolutely do not need.

              How badly we do not need "mistrals", you tell the bureaucrats mediocrely pushing the already built k-52s throughout the fleet ...
            3. +4
              10 June 2015 21: 37
              Quote: NordUral
              But the Mistrals we absolutely do not need

              Of course, you don't need them in the Urals. But sending the Syrian Express like a fire brigade is overkill every time. And here we really need the Mistrals.
          3. +3
            10 June 2015 16: 17
            Quote: Eugene-Eugene
            It is incorrect to put the 11711 project (displacement 5 thousand tons) and Mistrali (per 20 thousand tons) in one row

            Very correct! If you "dance" from the need. Do we need a monster of 20 thousand tons? Is there a need for it? After all, it is necessary to develop (from scratch) an application strategy, berths, infrastructure, etc. for it, and everything is already there for 5 thousand tons. Rivet on the database too!
            1. Victor the Great
              +1
              10 June 2015 19: 50
              Of course you need. Would send such an equipped winged assault squadron to the area of ​​our Syrian base, so that ISIS terrorists (or who are they) would sing?
          4. +6
            10 June 2015 17: 06
            Quote: Eugene-Eugene
            It is incorrect to put the 11711 project (displacement 5 thousand tons) and Mistrali (per 20 thousand tons) in one row

            Oddly enough, the BDK has 5 t.t. there is an advantage, it can be transferred along rivers and canals from Black to Baltic, that is, in the event of war, go deep into the territory ... and 20 thousandth a dead target!
            1. Victor the Great
              +2
              10 June 2015 22: 57
              Hah laughing
              It is interesting what the creators and just people serving on "Peter the Great", "Moscow" and many admirals would say to your words (sorry for the generalization) bully
              The point is different: do we need BDK, aircraft carriers, helicopter carriers and similar purely offensive equipment in the modern Russian Navy, which plays the role of a purely coast guard?
              The second time on the same rake as the USSR. At that time, too, there was no doctrine of the Navy as such, so the aircraft carriers did not appear, limited themselves to slurred hybrids ...
          5. Victor the Great
            +1
            10 June 2015 19: 43
            Quote: Eugene-Eugene
            It is incorrect to put the 11711 project (displacement 5 thousand tons) and Mistrali (per 20 thousand tons) in one row

            And in general, it makes no sense to compare a helicopter carrier with the ability to move landing units and a landing ship ...
        2. +8
          10 June 2015 16: 14
          Mistrals cannot be replaced, if only because the French are also helicopter carriers. We BDK purely landing (with the support of the counter)
          1. 0
            11 June 2015 01: 06
            And the helicopter carriers (who do not need a run-up run) start with how many helicopters? bully
            In helicopter fuel, by the way, the landing burns well ...
        3. +1
          10 June 2015 16: 58
          Yes OK. Interestingly in ten years to build?
          After all, how to the place of the photo of "Ivan Gren" -shikoka he is tortured already?
      2. +3
        10 June 2015 15: 57
        Ivan Grena ... for at least 15 years they’ve been building ..
        1. +3
          10 June 2015 16: 05
          This is not yet taken up by the defense industry. Now the deadlines are tight - lay 2015, 2017 - surrender to the fleet.
      3. +4
        10 June 2015 15: 57
        The news is good, but this is not an alternative to a "suitcase without a handle", although they have a command and staff function, these are only 2 turntables, 13 (not a good number!) Tanks or 63 infantry fighting vehicles (armored personnel carriers) or 300 troops. The armament is not so hot. But at least something, as they say, for not having the best.
        1. +4
          10 June 2015 16: 07
          Nefig headquarters to swim and substitute anti-ship weapons.
          1. 0
            10 June 2015 18: 19
            Quote: Alexxeg73
            Nefig headquarters to swim and substitute anti-ship weapons.

            You tell the Navy of the USSR. As soon as the fleet goes beyond the immediate zone and forms the OPESK, the control ship is also needed. They tried to use the connection flagship in this role - the complete garbage turned out. Staff officers survive ship officers from cabins and from military posts and do not give normal service, since staff tasks are considered priority.
    2. -1
      10 June 2015 15: 37
      it was also necessary to start from this, or some Mistrals would be dragged along.
      There are more and more good ships!
      True, despite the fact that this is a BDK, the weapons are modest.
      I'm used to the fact that even on fishing schooners somewhere "granites" are hidden laughing
    3. +16
      10 June 2015 15: 38
      May 11 at the Yantar Shipyard

      The news is fresh. laughing
      1. 0
        10 June 2015 15: 43
        Quote: Vladimirets
        The news is fresh.

        Positive on the face.
        1. +1
          10 June 2015 15: 50
          "Moderators checked")))
      2. 0
        10 June 2015 15: 48
        Quote: Vladimirets
        May 11 at the Yantar Shipyard

        The news is fresh. laughing

        I re-read it myself 10 times. About the year happy fresh.
        1. +2
          10 June 2015 16: 07
          Quote: keel 31
          I re-read it myself 10 times. About the year happy fresh.

          Not everyone today can watch tomorrow ....
      3. +3
        10 June 2015 16: 02
        Pupil. In fact, on June 11 they’ll lay it, that is tomorrow. On Wikipedia, this is the date. And on the plant’s website itself, the date is June 11th.
      4. +3
        10 June 2015 16: 03
        Quote: Vladimirets
        May 11 at the Yantar Shipyard

        The news is fresh. laughing

        This is the tradition of the Gren series. laughing
      5. 0
        10 June 2015 16: 06
        Quote: Vladimirets
        The news is fresh. laughing

        Tomorrow lay. :)
      6. +1
        10 June 2015 16: 18
        What a fresh thing.
    4. +5
      10 June 2015 15: 38
      When will the money be given for Mistral? Something calmed down!
      1. 0
        10 June 2015 15: 41
        It is a very good time not to rely on the "overseas uncle" but to build ships ourselves.
      2. +1
        10 June 2015 16: 19
        Quote: prabiz
        When will the money be given for Mistral? Something calmed down!

        And what every day to procrastinate this topic. We abandoned the ships, they have no money. There is commercial fuss, we want to get more, they pay less. What to discuss?
    5. avt
      +9
      10 June 2015 15: 42
      You don’t even know whether to cry or to laugh request Especially against the background of the construction of "Gren" since 2004 ...... "fucking unnecessary barges" with incomparable displacement were built in two years. Well, well now - let the groundwork be put into business, maybe they will build two times faster than "Gren". Well, this is in the article - "This is the latest development of project 1171, according to which in the 60-70s PSZ" Amber "built a series of 14 ships", "---- wassat request ..... It’s strange that they didn’t write that this miracle generally goes into near-earth orbit .....
      1. 0
        10 June 2015 16: 08
        Quote: avt
        maybe they will build it twice as fast as Gren.



        Here the question immediately begs itself - and with engines how ??? "Whose blood" will be ???
        1. +3
          10 June 2015 16: 16
          D49 from Kolomna, but there the gearboxes are unique from Zvezda, to Gren from the deadline, the last contract delayed the assembly of everything for the 1,5 of the year (they put the units at the end of the 2014 of the year, but they should have been in the 2010-11, but according to the last contract, the autumn was 2013 )
        2. avt
          +8
          10 June 2015 16: 30
          Quote: veksha50
          Here the question immediately begs - but with the engines, how ???

          request Fuck knows ..... probably something Kolomenskoye will be. Misfortune in another is a project that was morally obsolete during the design process, and moreover, it was mesmerized during the construction of the lead ship. Well, why are you happy ????
          Quote: Karavan
          God grant that they Mistral and replaced!

          fool Where is the Mistral "with its capabilities and this is a" miracle "
          Quote: silver_roman
          it was also necessary to start from this, or some Mistrals would be dragged along.
          There are more and more good ships!
          True, despite the fact that this is a BDK, the weapons are modest.

          Where is actually a good ship then ??? What is its goodness? MLRS is? fool Why all this puppy delight? Remember America, well, the one who put this miracle among the weapons that the USA is afraid of. wassat All this is from real hopelessness - a modern project, in spite of the blowing of bubbles - "sama for usama", No. It will be, if money is given, not earlier than in 7 years, plus construction ... and the ships, as it unexpectedly found out, are needed NOW.
          Quote: donavi49
          To amplify the wave and then build up strength. Won China built 10 of them 3 years ago in 9 years. Also 4,800.

          Indeed - only the Chinese can really order now.
          1. +7
            10 June 2015 16: 36
            Where is the Mistral "with its capabilities and this is a" miracle "


            Calmly, this is patriots urya. Matchast not the main thing, knowledge too-the main impulse

            And the fact that it’s a moral, obsolete miracle that is yudo is laid, yes it’s not from a good life, but to compare it with the Mistrals is like earth and sky

            ps- I love our uryarok and their exclamations. There are no tasks for Mistral, but give the cruisers and aircraft carriers wink
          2. -2
            10 June 2015 19: 50
            Quote: avt
            .... and the ships, as it suddenly turned out, are needed NOW.

            I ask you, explain what their (Mistrals) urgent need right now. Except for the "Syrian Express". There, in general, troop transports are more needed.
            And also tell me how you will service and repair them in sanctions mode.
            1. avt
              -1
              11 June 2015 10: 35
              Quote: man in the street
              Please clarify what their (Mistral) urgent need is right now.

              Now, right now, in a nutshell, explain the difference between the landing strategy of the times of the Second World War and the current horizon.
              Quote: man in the street
              Except for the "Syrian Express". There, in general, troop transports are more needed.

              Yes, and the difference between the landing operation and transport, albeit military, transportation? For me, this is an impossible task; it was only Christ who could feed five thousand breads.
              1. 0
                11 June 2015 14: 11
                The strategy has not changed a bit, except for the possibility of wider use of landing helicopters for vertical coverage and evacuation of the wounded from the time of Korea.
                Can carry them любые the ships.

                Five thousand drown immediately in a UDC from one torpedo or aerial bomb.
                If there are a large number of helicopters on board with fuel, everything from a pair of NURs will still burn.
                In the Mistral, unpainted as a hospital ship, these "strategists" decided to push the hospital to the headquarters, the immobilized wounded in which they would not be able to have escape routes ... Everything was taken into account by a mighty hurricane ... bully
              2. 0
                13 June 2015 08: 06
                Quote: avt
                Quote: man in the street
                Please clarify what their (Mistral) urgent need is right now.

                Now, right now, in a nutshell, explain the difference between the landing strategy of the times of the Second World War and the current horizon.
                Quote: man in the street
                Except for the "Syrian Express". There, in general, troop transports are more needed.

                Yes, and the difference between the landing operation and transport, albeit military, transportation? For me, this is an impossible task; it was only Christ who could feed five thousand breads.

                Well, you know how to explain. Everything is so clear. And most importantly, without snobbery and petty arrogance. That's just a sea strategist to call you the language does not turn, because you rotate somewhere in aviation (sort of). Anyway.
    6. +3
      10 June 2015 15: 45
      Now it is important that all components are ... and not so that they begin construction, and then it turns out that there are no power plants for these ships and they are not made in the Russian Federation.
    7. +1
      10 June 2015 15: 47
      On Grena, the campaign rehearsed everything possible in terms of the corps. And now they will be rehearsing the rest.
      1. 0
        10 June 2015 16: 00
        Let's hope that these rehearsals finally turned into a final concert and now serial ships will be built faster.
      2. 0
        10 June 2015 16: 05
        Quote: Zomanus
        On Grena, the campaign rehearsed everything possible in terms of the corps. And now they will be rehearsing the rest.

        There were no problems with the case, with the filling. We put the same weapons, then do not put ,,,,,
      3. +2
        10 June 2015 16: 07
        Quote: Zomanus
        On Grena, the campaign rehearsed everything that was possible in terms of the corps.

        "Rehearsed." ... ... Only half of the "artists" have already retired!
    8. 0
      10 June 2015 15: 50
      No, guys. It’s not for nothing that Ivan Gren is pictured. How long did it take to build? God forbid the new BDK to pass such a fate.
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    10. +2
      10 June 2015 15: 55
      In Kaliningrad on May 11, a large landing ship was laid down at the Yantar shipyard
      Actually, it's already June 10th. belay
      May 11 of next year? Or am I not catching up with something?
      Or is it still a typo, and is it about June 11th?
      1. 0
        10 June 2015 16: 03
        June 11 on the factory website is written.
    11. 0
      10 June 2015 15: 58
      http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/267/zryy418.jpg Красава?
    12. +5
      10 June 2015 16: 07
      Well, such ships are also needed. To amplify the wave and then build up strength. Won China them 10 years ago for 3 years 9 pieces built. Also 4,800.

      However, without the DKVD / UDC, it is now difficult to put pressure on geopolitics and demonstrate decisiveness in conducting another democracy in overseas territories.
    13. +3
      10 June 2015 16: 24
      Eh ... It's a pity the naval "bigwigs" ruined the project 11780 in the 80s. We would have had UBDK long ago, even when there was no trace of these Mistrals.
      1. avt
        +1
        10 June 2015 16: 42
        Quote: Alexxeg73
        . We would have had UBDK for a long time, even when these Mistrals were not in sight.

        request ....... Kaptsov is not for you; he would have proved to you that there is no better BDK, especially since 1966 wassat And "Gren" is generally a 22 century coop.
      2. +3
        10 June 2015 18: 27
        Quote: Alexxeg73
        Eh ... It's a pity the naval "bigwigs" ruined the project 11780 in the 80s.

        With 11780, the problem was the same as with the development of the "Halzan" theme - in the whole USSR there was one "slipway 0".
        DVKD competed on a slipway with the TAVKR project 1143. Therefore, the fate of 11780 was a foregone conclusion.

        Ehhh ... if Butoma had not pushed through the Southern option, there would have been "slipway 0" in St. Petersburg. But alas, according to calculations, the reconstruction of Nikolaev was cheaper. True, then it suddenly became clear that it was necessary to further deepen and straighten the channel for the withdrawal of ships to the World Cup. And the volume of work on the slipway after opening was higher. But the train has already left - the Central Committee is not mistaken! smile
    14. 0
      10 June 2015 19: 04
      at least something on fishlessness and fish cancer
    15. +2
      11 June 2015 00: 14
      Since 2004, they can’t finish building a ship for 5 thousand tons. Well, how much will the ship be built in 20 thousand tons? 44 of the year ????
    16. -1
      11 June 2015 04: 34
      Great news. From a tactical point of view, it is better to build 4 such BDKs instead of one Mistral. In any bay, they will hide where Mistral does not fit and at the same time they will not be in one place
      1. avt
        +2
        11 June 2015 08: 21
        Quote: hannibal lecter
        . From a tactical point of view, it is better to build 4 such BDKs instead of one Mistral. In any bay, they will hide where Mistral does not fit and at the same time they will not be in one place

        what wassat “And today, tomorrow, not everyone can watch. Or rather, not only everyone can watch. Few people can do it ...... "

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