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On "Yantar" will lay the BDK "Peter Morgunov"

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In Kaliningrad, 11 June at the Yantar shipbuilding plant will lay a large landing ship (BDK) of the 11711 series "Peter Morgunov", reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta With reference to the representative of the company Sergey Mikhailov.



"BDK" Peter Morgunov "- the first serial ship project 11711, developed in the Nevsky Design Bureau. This is the newest development of the 1171 project, according to which, in 60-70-ies, Yantar Design Bureau built a series of 14 ships, ”said Mikhailov.

According to him, "the contract for its construction was signed with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in September 2014, the ship should be handed over to the Russian Navy in 2018 year."

The lead ship of this project “Ivan Gren” was laid in December 2004, launched on the water in 2012, its transfer to the sailors is scheduled for the current year.

Help newspaper: “BDK of this type is intended for the landing of troops and equipment on an unequipped coast. On deck carries two helicopters Ka-29. Armament: AK-176М automatic rapid-fire gun, two AK-630 anti-aircraft guns and multiple rocket launchers. "
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  1. vodolaz
    vodolaz 10 June 2015 15: 36
    +17
    That's right, buy nefig from outside.
    1. Trailer
      Trailer 10 June 2015 15: 47
      +12
      Poor long-suffering project! God grant that they Mistral and replaced!
      1. Eugene-Eugene
        Eugene-Eugene 10 June 2015 15: 57
        +28
        It is incorrect to put the 11711 project (displacement 5 thousand tons) and Mistrali (per 20 thousand tons) in one row
        1. insafufa
          insafufa 10 June 2015 16: 01
          +8
          Quote: Eugene-Eugene
          It is incorrect to put the 11711 project (displacement 5 thousand tons) and Mistrali (per 20 thousand tons) in one row


          Yes, somehow it was not correctly compared
        2. NordUral
          NordUral 10 June 2015 16: 10
          +6
          In general, yes. But the Mistrals, we absolutely do not need. We need destroyers, frigates and corvettes with powerful air defense and missile defense. With a maximum quantitative salvo to reliably intercept hundreds and thousands of targets.
          1. captain
            captain 10 June 2015 17: 08
            +3
            And will we provide assistance to allies such as Syria, Vietnam, Venezuela, etc. with corvettes or spaceborne airborne forces? And why the Airborne Forces? We will throw everyone with missiles, and missiles are not needed, we’re writing terrible comments. In general, we don’t need anything, we’ll throw all the hats, if we don’t have enough, we will ask the Chinese. Lucky in our country for smart people, overwhelming how many of them left for the hill and we still have sensible and all knowing. And why do we live so poorly, with such a huge number of smart and knowledgeable people. Unfortunately the saying goes; Gods do not burn pots, with our state played a cruel joke.
            1. Scraptor
              Scraptor 10 June 2015 18: 16
              0
              a large number of small ships, so that the entire landing did not drown in one large at once.
              the displacement of the recreation center should not be more than 2 thousand tons, even if the ship carries mainly equipment.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Lancastria - more than 4000 victimsmilitary transport. Tonnage: 16,243 GRT
              https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Армения_(теплоход,_1928) - > no less than 4500 victimsDisplacement 5770 tons
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyama_Maru - about 5,400 victimsmilitary transport. Tonnage: 7,089 tons

              that is, even the BDK is redundant, we need KFK / MDK.

              The paratrooper is even in worse conditions than the Littoral Combat Ship, which means the displacement should be even less than his.
              1. Stirbjorn
                Stirbjorn 11 June 2015 09: 30
                0
                Quote: Scraptor
                that is, even the BDK is redundant, we need KFK / MDK.

                Far to the MDK will sail away? The highways just allow the landing over the horizon to carry out, and even under the cover of turntables
                1. Scraptor
                  Scraptor 11 June 2015 14: 17
                  0
                  With a tanker - far away. Landing lines because of the horizon can be carried out only on turntables, these turntables can equally well be based on any boat the size of a corvette, or a mobilized civilian vessel.

                  To base the helicopters do not need a large ship, since the helicopter take off / run is not needed.
          2. Victor the Great
            Victor the Great 10 June 2015 19: 45
            0
            Quote: NordUral
            But the Mistrals we absolutely do not need.

            How badly we do not need "mistrals", you tell the bureaucrats mediocrely pushing the already built k-52s throughout the fleet ...
          3. Botanologist
            Botanologist 10 June 2015 21: 37
            +4
            Quote: NordUral
            But the Mistrals we absolutely do not need

            Of course, you don't need them in the Urals. But sending the Syrian Express like a fire brigade is overkill every time. And here we really need the Mistrals.
        3. Homo
          Homo 10 June 2015 16: 17
          +3
          Quote: Eugene-Eugene
          It is incorrect to put the 11711 project (displacement 5 thousand tons) and Mistrali (per 20 thousand tons) in one row

          Very correct! If you "dance" from the need. Do we need a monster of 20 thousand tons? Is there a need for it? After all, it is necessary to develop (from scratch) an application strategy, berths, infrastructure, etc. for it, and everything is already there for 5 thousand tons. Rivet on the database too!
          1. Victor the Great
            Victor the Great 10 June 2015 19: 50
            +1
            Of course you need. Would send such an equipped winged assault squadron to the area of ​​our Syrian base, so that ISIS terrorists (or who are they) would sing?
        4. Samaritan
          Samaritan 10 June 2015 17: 06
          +6
          Quote: Eugene-Eugene
          It is incorrect to put the 11711 project (displacement 5 thousand tons) and Mistrali (per 20 thousand tons) in one row

          Oddly enough, the BDK has 5 t.t. there is an advantage, it can be transferred along rivers and canals from Black to Baltic, that is, in the event of war, go deep into the territory ... and 20 thousandth a dead target!
          1. Victor the Great
            Victor the Great 10 June 2015 22: 57
            +2
            Hah laughing
            It is interesting what the creators and just people serving on "Peter the Great", "Moscow" and many admirals would say to your words (sorry for the generalization) bully
            The point is different: do we need BDK, aircraft carriers, helicopter carriers and similar purely offensive equipment in the modern Russian Navy, which plays the role of a purely coast guard?
            The second time on the same rake as the USSR. At that time, too, there was no doctrine of the Navy as such, so the aircraft carriers did not appear, limited themselves to slurred hybrids ...
        5. Victor the Great
          Victor the Great 10 June 2015 19: 43
          +1
          Quote: Eugene-Eugene
          It is incorrect to put the 11711 project (displacement 5 thousand tons) and Mistrali (per 20 thousand tons) in one row

          And in general, it makes no sense to compare a helicopter carrier with the ability to move landing units and a landing ship ...
      2. Alexxeg73
        Alexxeg73 10 June 2015 16: 14
        +8
        Mistrals cannot be replaced, if only because the French are also helicopter carriers. We BDK purely landing (with the support of the counter)
        1. Scraptor
          Scraptor 11 June 2015 01: 06
          0
          And the helicopter carriers (who do not need a run-up run) start with how many helicopters? bully
          In helicopter fuel, by the way, the landing burns well ...
      3. Grandfather bear
        Grandfather bear 10 June 2015 16: 58
        +1
        Yes OK. Interestingly in ten years to build?
        After all, how to the place of the photo of "Ivan Gren" -shikoka he is tortured already?
    2. Civil
      Civil 10 June 2015 15: 57
      +3
      Ivan Grena ... for at least 15 years they’ve been building ..
      1. Alexxeg73
        Alexxeg73 10 June 2015 16: 05
        +3
        This is not yet taken up by the defense industry. Now the deadlines are tight - lay 2015, 2017 - surrender to the fleet.
    3. Juborg
      Juborg 10 June 2015 15: 57
      +4
      The news is good, but this is not an alternative to a "suitcase without a handle", although they have a command and staff function, these are only 2 turntables, 13 (not a good number!) Tanks or 63 infantry fighting vehicles (armored personnel carriers) or 300 troops. The armament is not so hot. But at least something, as they say, for not having the best.
      1. Alexxeg73
        Alexxeg73 10 June 2015 16: 07
        +4
        Nefig headquarters to swim and substitute anti-ship weapons.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 10 June 2015 18: 19
          0
          Quote: Alexxeg73
          Nefig headquarters to swim and substitute anti-ship weapons.

          You tell the Navy of the USSR. As soon as the fleet goes beyond the immediate zone and forms the OPESK, the control ship is also needed. They tried to use the connection flagship in this role - the complete garbage turned out. Staff officers survive ship officers from cabins and from military posts and do not give normal service, since staff tasks are considered priority.
  2. silver_roman
    silver_roman 10 June 2015 15: 37
    -1
    it was also necessary to start from this, or some Mistrals would be dragged along.
    There are more and more good ships!
    True, despite the fact that this is a BDK, the weapons are modest.
    I'm used to the fact that even on fishing schooners somewhere "granites" are hidden laughing
  3. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 10 June 2015 15: 38
    +16
    May 11 at the Yantar Shipyard

    The news is fresh. laughing
    1. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 10 June 2015 15: 43
      0
      Quote: Vladimirets
      The news is fresh.

      Positive on the face.
      1. Alex_Rarog
        Alex_Rarog 10 June 2015 15: 50
        +1
        "Moderators checked")))
    2. kil 31
      kil 31 10 June 2015 15: 48
      0
      Quote: Vladimirets
      May 11 at the Yantar Shipyard

      The news is fresh. laughing

      I re-read it myself 10 times. About the year happy fresh.
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 10 June 2015 16: 07
        +2
        Quote: keel 31
        I re-read it myself 10 times. About the year happy fresh.

        Not everyone today can watch tomorrow ....
    3. Alexxeg73
      Alexxeg73 10 June 2015 16: 02
      +3
      Pupil. In fact, on June 11 they’ll lay it, that is tomorrow. On Wikipedia, this is the date. And on the plant’s website itself, the date is June 11th.
    4. 11 black
      11 black 10 June 2015 16: 03
      +3
      Quote: Vladimirets
      May 11 at the Yantar Shipyard

      The news is fresh. laughing

      This is the tradition of the Gren series. laughing
    5. lelikas
      lelikas 10 June 2015 16: 06
      0
      Quote: Vladimirets
      The news is fresh. laughing

      Tomorrow lay. :)
    6. Glaaki
      Glaaki 10 June 2015 16: 18
      +1
      What a fresh thing.
  4. prabiz
    prabiz 10 June 2015 15: 38
    +5
    When will the money be given for Mistral? Something calmed down!
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 10 June 2015 15: 41
      0
      It is a very good time not to rely on the "overseas uncle" but to build ships ourselves.
    2. Homo
      Homo 10 June 2015 16: 19
      +1
      Quote: prabiz
      When will the money be given for Mistral? Something calmed down!

      And what every day to procrastinate this topic. We abandoned the ships, they have no money. There is commercial fuss, we want to get more, they pay less. What to discuss?
  5. avt
    avt 10 June 2015 15: 42
    +9
    You don’t even know whether to cry or to laugh request Especially against the background of the construction of "Gren" since 2004 ...... "fucking unnecessary barges" with incomparable displacement were built in two years. Well, well now - let the groundwork be put into business, maybe they will build two times faster than "Gren". Well, this is in the article - "This is the latest development of project 1171, according to which in the 60-70s PSZ" Amber "built a series of 14 ships", "---- wassat request ..... It’s strange that they didn’t write that this miracle generally goes into near-earth orbit .....
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 10 June 2015 16: 08
      0
      Quote: avt
      maybe they will build it twice as fast as Gren.



      Here the question immediately begs itself - and with engines how ??? "Whose blood" will be ???
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 10 June 2015 16: 16
        +3
        D49 from Kolomna, but there the gearboxes are unique from Zvezda, to Gren from the deadline, the last contract delayed the assembly of everything for the 1,5 of the year (they put the units at the end of the 2014 of the year, but they should have been in the 2010-11, but according to the last contract, the autumn was 2013 )
      2. avt
        avt 10 June 2015 16: 30
        +8
        Quote: veksha50
        Here the question immediately begs - but with the engines, how ???

        request Fuck knows ..... probably something Kolomenskoye will be. Misfortune in another is a project that was morally obsolete during the design process, and moreover, it was mesmerized during the construction of the lead ship. Well, why are you happy ????
        Quote: Karavan
        God grant that they Mistral and replaced!

        fool Where is the Mistral "with its capabilities and this is a" miracle "
        Quote: silver_roman
        it was also necessary to start from this, or some Mistrals would be dragged along.
        There are more and more good ships!
        True, despite the fact that this is a BDK, the weapons are modest.

        Where is actually a good ship then ??? What is its goodness? MLRS is? fool Why all this puppy delight? Remember America, well, the one who put this miracle among the weapons that the USA is afraid of. wassat All this is from real hopelessness - a modern project, in spite of the blowing of bubbles - "sama for usama", No. It will be, if money is given, not earlier than in 7 years, plus construction ... and the ships, as it unexpectedly found out, are needed NOW.
        Quote: donavi49
        To amplify the wave and then build up strength. Won China built 10 of them 3 years ago in 9 years. Also 4,800.

        Indeed - only the Chinese can really order now.
        1. Rustam
          Rustam 10 June 2015 16: 36
          +7
          Where is the Mistral "with its capabilities and this is a" miracle "


          Calmly, this is patriots urya. Matchast not the main thing, knowledge too-the main impulse

          And the fact that it’s a moral, obsolete miracle that is yudo is laid, yes it’s not from a good life, but to compare it with the Mistrals is like earth and sky

          ps- I love our uryarok and their exclamations. There are no tasks for Mistral, but give the cruisers and aircraft carriers wink
        2. common man
          common man 10 June 2015 19: 50
          -2
          Quote: avt
          .... and the ships, as it suddenly turned out, are needed NOW.

          I ask you, explain what their (Mistrals) urgent need right now. Except for the "Syrian Express". There, in general, troop transports are more needed.
          And also tell me how you will service and repair them in sanctions mode.
          1. avt
            avt 11 June 2015 10: 35
            -1
            Quote: man in the street
            Please clarify what their (Mistral) urgent need is right now.

            Now, right now, in a nutshell, explain the difference between the landing strategy of the times of the Second World War and the current horizon.
            Quote: man in the street
            Except for the "Syrian Express". There, in general, troop transports are more needed.

            Yes, and the difference between the landing operation and transport, albeit military, transportation? For me, this is an impossible task; it was only Christ who could feed five thousand breads.
            1. Scraptor
              Scraptor 11 June 2015 14: 11
              0
              The strategy has not changed a bit, except for the possibility of wider use of landing helicopters for vertical coverage and evacuation of the wounded from the time of Korea.
              Can carry them любые the ships.

              Five thousand drown immediately in a UDC from one torpedo or aerial bomb.
              If there are a large number of helicopters on board with fuel, everything from a pair of NURs will still burn.
              In the Mistral, unpainted as a hospital ship, these "strategists" decided to push the hospital to the headquarters, the immobilized wounded in which they would not be able to have escape routes ... Everything was taken into account by a mighty hurricane ... bully
            2. common man
              common man 13 June 2015 08: 06
              0
              Quote: avt
              Quote: man in the street
              Please clarify what their (Mistral) urgent need is right now.

              Now, right now, in a nutshell, explain the difference between the landing strategy of the times of the Second World War and the current horizon.
              Quote: man in the street
              Except for the "Syrian Express". There, in general, troop transports are more needed.

              Yes, and the difference between the landing operation and transport, albeit military, transportation? For me, this is an impossible task; it was only Christ who could feed five thousand breads.

              Well, you know how to explain. Everything is so clear. And most importantly, without snobbery and petty arrogance. That's just a sea strategist to call you the language does not turn, because you rotate somewhere in aviation (sort of). Anyway.
  6. NEXUS
    NEXUS 10 June 2015 15: 45
    +3
    Now it is important that all components are ... and not so that they begin construction, and then it turns out that there are no power plants for these ships and they are not made in the Russian Federation.
  7. Zomanus
    Zomanus 10 June 2015 15: 47
    +1
    On Grena, the campaign rehearsed everything possible in terms of the corps. And now they will be rehearsing the rest.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 10 June 2015 16: 00
      0
      Let's hope that these rehearsals finally turned into a final concert and now serial ships will be built faster.
    2. lelikas
      lelikas 10 June 2015 16: 05
      0
      Quote: Zomanus
      On Grena, the campaign rehearsed everything possible in terms of the corps. And now they will be rehearsing the rest.

      There were no problems with the case, with the filling. We put the same weapons, then do not put ,,,,,
    3. Bayonet
      Bayonet 10 June 2015 16: 07
      +2
      Quote: Zomanus
      On Grena, the campaign rehearsed everything that was possible in terms of the corps.

      "Rehearsed." ... ... Only half of the "artists" have already retired!
  8. BAIKALETS
    BAIKALETS 10 June 2015 15: 50
    0
    No, guys. It’s not for nothing that Ivan Gren is pictured. How long did it take to build? God forbid the new BDK to pass such a fate.
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  10. barclay
    barclay 10 June 2015 15: 55
    +2
    In Kaliningrad on May 11, a large landing ship was laid down at the Yantar shipyard
    Actually, it's already June 10th. belay
    May 11 of next year? Or am I not catching up with something?
    Or is it still a typo, and is it about June 11th?
    1. Alexxeg73
      Alexxeg73 10 June 2015 16: 03
      0
      June 11 on the factory website is written.
  11. BAIKALETS
    BAIKALETS 10 June 2015 15: 58
    0
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/267/zryy418.jpg Красава?
  12. donavi49
    donavi49 10 June 2015 16: 07
    +5
    Well, such ships are also needed. To amplify the wave and then build up strength. Won China them 10 years ago for 3 years 9 pieces built. Also 4,800.

    However, without the DKVD / UDC, it is now difficult to put pressure on geopolitics and demonstrate decisiveness in conducting another democracy in overseas territories.
  13. Alexxeg73
    Alexxeg73 10 June 2015 16: 24
    +3
    Eh ... It's a pity the naval "bigwigs" ruined the project 11780 in the 80s. We would have had UBDK long ago, even when there was no trace of these Mistrals.
    1. avt
      avt 10 June 2015 16: 42
      +1
      Quote: Alexxeg73
      . We would have had UBDK for a long time, even when these Mistrals were not in sight.

      request ....... Kaptsov is not for you; he would have proved to you that there is no better BDK, especially since 1966 wassat And "Gren" is generally a 22 century coop.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 10 June 2015 18: 27
      +3
      Quote: Alexxeg73
      Eh ... It's a pity the naval "bigwigs" ruined the project 11780 in the 80s.

      With 11780, the problem was the same as with the development of the "Halzan" theme - in the whole USSR there was one "slipway 0".
      DVKD competed on a slipway with the TAVKR project 1143. Therefore, the fate of 11780 was a foregone conclusion.

      Ehhh ... if Butoma had not pushed through the Southern option, there would have been "slipway 0" in St. Petersburg. But alas, according to calculations, the reconstruction of Nikolaev was cheaper. True, then it suddenly became clear that it was necessary to further deepen and straighten the channel for the withdrawal of ships to the World Cup. And the volume of work on the slipway after opening was higher. But the train has already left - the Central Committee is not mistaken! smile
  14. TsUS-Air Force
    TsUS-Air Force 10 June 2015 19: 04
    0
    at least something on fishlessness and fish cancer
  15. tomket
    tomket 11 June 2015 00: 14
    +2
    Since 2004, they can’t finish building a ship for 5 thousand tons. Well, how much will the ship be built in 20 thousand tons? 44 of the year ????
  16. Hannibal Lecter
    Hannibal Lecter 11 June 2015 04: 34
    -1
    Great news. From a tactical point of view, it is better to build 4 such BDKs instead of one Mistral. In any bay, they will hide where Mistral does not fit and at the same time they will not be in one place
    1. avt
      avt 11 June 2015 08: 21
      +2
      Quote: hannibal lecter
      . From a tactical point of view, it is better to build 4 such BDKs instead of one Mistral. In any bay, they will hide where Mistral does not fit and at the same time they will not be in one place

      what wassat “And today, tomorrow, not everyone can watch. Or rather, not only everyone can watch. Few people can do it ...... "