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Carpenter: if Ukraine fails Minsk-2, then Minsk-3 will not, there will be new "boilers"

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In the case of the failure of the Minsk agreements from February 12 new peace talks with Ukraine will no longer be transmitted Russian spring statement of the head of the LC of Igor Plotnitsky.

Carpenter: if Ukraine fails Minsk-2, then Minsk-3 will not, there will be new "boilers"


“In my opinion, I have such inner conviction that there will not be Minsk-3. If Minsk-2 ceases to exist, then there will be a cauldron near Kharkov, a cauldron near Kiev, a cauldron near Lviv and other Ukrainian cities, but there will be no Minsk-3 anymore. ”- Carpenter said on the media forum.

He stressed that the self-proclaimed republics "do not fight with Ukraine and the Ukrainians, but with the handful of oligarchs who sat down in Kiev."

“Why Petro Poroshenko is constantly forcing this war? Will explain. If the war stops, he will not spend a week in his chair, since internal problems will blow up Ukraine. War is just a distracting maneuver for the whole country, " - said the head of the LC.
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  1. fox21h
    fox21h 9 June 2015 10: 37
    +27
    And everything goes to this. Kiev does not have independent power, and the Pendos do not need peace; they are trying by all means to draw Russia and the blockade of Prednistria out of this category. Let's hope that Novorossia has enough forces to destroy this fascist regime.
    1. RESEARCHER
      RESEARCHER 9 June 2015 10: 39
      +19
      This is not civilians point blank shoot. Now everything will be adult.
      And in Transnistria, you can open a second front.
      1. Ruthless
        Ruthless 9 June 2015 10: 44
        +28
        He said everything correctly: there is no point in "negotiating" with the initially incapable of negotiating Banderopapuans. am
        1. BOLSHEVIK
          BOLSHEVIK 9 June 2015 10: 47
          +12
          “Fascists of the future will call themselves anti-fascists” - attributed to Churchill; in fact, a slightly rephrased (retaining meaning) dictum of the American senator of the 1930s, Huey Long.
          1. Vend
            Vend 9 June 2015 10: 54
            +7
            Why is Petro Poroshenko constantly escalating this war? Will explain. If the war stops, then he will not sit in his chair for a week, as internal problems will blow Ukraine up. War is simply a distraction for the whole country. ”

            Or rather, you can’t say, you can also add that the United States needs a war, so they’ll hammer Petrushka
            1. Natalia
              Natalia 9 June 2015 11: 28
              +12
              It will be hard for us.
              And the DNI and the LC and Russia to restrain all this, everything will balance on the brink.

              It is no coincidence that the CIA National Secret Service proposed the concept of a nuclear-free war against Russia. That is, what is meant there:
              Use the request for help from the official authorities in Kiev, send NATO troops to crush the Militia. At the same time, it is necessary to bring the situation to a level at which Russian non-interference will become impossible. And at the moment when Russia nevertheless intervenes, make maximum use of NATO allies (Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia - and others).

              I also want to note one point, this Concept - does not imply the victory of the United States in this conflict. The purpose of the conflict is to draw Europe into the most direct confrontation with Russia (armed confrontation). And just observe the situation, coordinate actions.

              And here the main thing is not to cross the line so that Russia does not use its nuclear component (at least not against the United States).

              There is naturally a reason for this - a trillion-dollar debt is stifling the American economy. Either return it (which is not realistic), or reset it, due to global war. Plus, the growing influence of Russia and China.

              We planned to start everything this summer.
              1. RUSS
                RUSS 9 June 2015 11: 43
                +3
                Quote: Natalia
                It will be hard for us.
                And the DNI and the LC and Russia to restrain all this, everything will balance on the brink.

                It is no coincidence that the CIA National Secret Service proposed the concept of a nuclear-free war against Russia. That is, what is meant there:
                Use the request for help from the official authorities in Kiev, send NATO troops to crush the Militia. At the same time, it is necessary to bring the situation to a level at which Russian non-interference will become impossible. And at the moment when Russia nevertheless intervenes, make maximum use of NATO allies (Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia - and others).

                I also want to note one point, this Concept - does not imply the victory of the United States in this conflict. The purpose of the conflict is to draw Europe into the most direct confrontation with Russia (armed confrontation). And just observe the situation, coordinate actions.

                And here the main thing is not to cross the line so that Russia does not use its nuclear component (at least not against the United States).

                There is naturally a reason for this - a trillion-dollar debt is stifling the American economy. Either return it (which is not realistic), or reset it, due to global war. Plus, the growing influence of Russia and China.

                We planned to start everything this summer.

                All this was once in the 30s and 40s of the last century.
                1. Natalia
                  Natalia 9 June 2015 11: 48
                  +6
                  Quote: RUSS
                  All this was once in the 30s and 40s of the last century.

                  Yes, it is true, and not a few glorious pages have brought this to the history of Russia. And unfortunately not a few people lay in the ground.

                  The only way to deter a direct collision with Russia from an adventure is the probability of the inevitable use of the nuclear component. No, Russia, in principle, is able to protect its national interests and so, but to prevent this is a slightly different task, a difficult one I would say.

                  Not the last factor - warnings against such a conflict, for the West, will be the presence of allies in Russia ready to take part on its side. Belarus, Kazakhstan, China, etc.
                  Since this complicates the task for the West multiple times.

                  It’s just that the paradigm of behavior of some allies, let’s say that they don’t seem to share the fact that Russia returned Crimea, that it took it away, and that it should have given up to the west’s onslaught in the form of the expulsion of the Black Sea Fleet and replacing it with the US Fifth Fleet .... .... and as if they do not approve of our actions, but they are as if with us if Che.
              2. uge.garik
                uge.garik 9 June 2015 16: 21
                +1
                There is another option - to drop candy wrappers while liquid and faster and better in chorus, and the alternative is RMB ...
            2. Corcap
              Corcap 9 June 2015 12: 22
              +5
              Quote: title
              Carpenter: if Ukraine fails Minsk-2, then Minsk-3 will not, there will be new "boilers"


              Guide so-called The LPR and DPR sent the Contact Group amendments to the Constitution of Ukraine, said the statement of LPR and DPR representatives at the Minsk talks, Vladislav Deiniy and Denis Pushilin. The draft amendments to the Constitution of Ukraine were handed over to the interim coordinator of the OSCE working group on political issues from Pierre Morel. According to the document, amendments to the Constitution provide for the preservation of certain areas of Donbass with a special status within Ukraine.

              “Separate areas with special status or their associations are an integral part of Ukraine and within the powers defined by the Constitution, individual laws of Ukraine, as well as agreements on the delimitation of powers between these areas, their associations and the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine, the ministry, and other central executive bodies they independently resolve issues referred to their jurisdiction, ”the text of the document posted on the website of the Luganskinformcenter says.


              HOW TO GET THESE SWINGS ...

              They want "carrots and sticks ..." Does it really not reach that "carrots" does not work with these "guys"?
        2. APES
          APES 9 June 2015 11: 13
          0
          Quote: Ruthless
          there is no point in "negotiating"


          then how to understand it:
          LPR and DPR proposed to preserve areas of Donbass with special status within Ukraine
          http://www.interfax.ru/world/446461
          1. Rusich is not from Kiev
            Rusich is not from Kiev 9 June 2015 11: 27
            +5
            then how to understand it:
            LPR and DPR proposed to preserve areas of Donbass with special status within Ukraine
            http://www.interfax.ru/world/446461[/quote]

            Usually. Perform Minsk-2 and everything will be normal. Minsk -3 will not be, because it will no longer make sense.
            In Minsk-2, LDNR is a part of Ukraine de jure.
            1. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 9 June 2015 11: 41
              +2
              Quote: Rusich is not from Kiev
              Usually. Perform Minsk-2 and everything will be normal. Minsk -3 will not be, because it will no longer make sense.
              In Minsk-2, LDNR is a part of Ukraine de jure.

              Yes, no one originally intended to do this. After Odessa and the shelling of Donbass cities from the MLRS, this is no longer possible. One verbiage, to calm Western "partners"
              1. Rusich is not from Kiev
                Rusich is not from Kiev 9 June 2015 14: 44
                +1
                Quote: Stirbjorn
                Yes, no one originally intended to do this. After Odessa and the shelling of Donbass cities from the MLRS, this is no longer possible. One verbiage, to calm Western "partners"

                Why, Russia was going to. It’s profitable for her, it’s another matter that the USA is not profitable to do this, therefore, pulling Europe in there, we are in a more successful situation
          2. GRAY
            GRAY 9 June 2015 11: 28
            0
            Quote: APES
            LPR and DPR proposed to preserve areas of Donbass with special status within Ukraine

            It’s easy to take it — use the search engine and see what other resources have posted this news, most of these sites will have a ua domain (by the way, interfax.com.ua also exists and you can read the news there).
            It’s better to read TASS there is more intelligently written:
            http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/2028804
            Here is a slice for seed:
            The heads of the proclaimed republics, Alexander Zakharchenko and Igor Plotnitsky, noted in a joint statement that no compromises with Kiev are possible until the "shameful decisions" of Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko and the Verkhovna Rada regarding the special status of Donbass are canceled.
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      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 9 June 2015 11: 00
        +9
        Quote: RESEARCHER
        And in Transnistria you can open the second front.

        Hitler was not able to fight on the 2 front, although those two fronts were not comparable with each other. Throughout the war, Stalin feared a war on two fronts and managed to keep the Japanese in China. Will Piglet master two fronts?

        If God wants to punish, it takes away the mind. And if he wants to kill, he also gives pride.
      3. Grandfather bear
        Grandfather bear 9 June 2015 11: 01
        +15
        "Motorola":
        Motorola: Everyone has already forgotten how the Ukrainian army burned people in Nikolaevka last summer

        "Motorola":
        - All this world community - all this is boltology - all these peace talks. Concrete actions are needed here. Until the fascists are stopped, nothing good is expected.

        So, there’s nothing to add ....
    2. volot-voin
      volot-voin 9 June 2015 10: 53
      +1
      Quote: fox21h
      New Russia has enough forces to destroy this fascist regime.

      Enough strength and desire. The main thing that would not interfere.
      1. ksan
        ksan 11 June 2015 22: 46
        +1
        volot-voin SU June 9, 2015 10:53 ↑
        Quote: fox21h
        New Russia has enough forces to destroy this fascist regime.
        Enough strength and desire. The main thing that would not interfere.
        If New Russia had the strength, without Russia, they probably would not have stopped last year’s offensive. fellow And since they "listen" to Russia, it means they themselves, without help, cannot. This is me about that - "the main thing is not to interfere." When "Big Uncles" play serious games, Novorossia has to listen to one of them. With all due respect to the real heroes of Donbass.
    3. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 9 June 2015 11: 03
      +2
      Quote: fox21h
      Let's hope that Novorossia has enough forces to destroy this fascist regime.

      Until autumn the ukrovoyaks will rummage through the boilers, and by the winter - a new "Minsk" and again until the summer calm. God bless Donbass to break this circle and reach Lviv.
    4. Момент
      Момент 9 June 2015 11: 15
      +3
      Practically Minsk-2 was thwarted. Germany and France at the summit showed themselves in all their glory, as "guarantors" of the Minsk agreements. I think that it will not be long to wait.
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 9 June 2015 11: 54
        +1
        Quote: Moment
        .Germany and France at the summit showed themselves in all their glory as "guarantors" of the Minsk agreements.


        Merkel and Hollande are just portraying "guarantors", blaming all possible and impossible vicissitudes of the war in the former Ukraine on Russia, and throwing mud at every meeting and extending the so-called "sanctions". All this is done out of powerlessness to really influence the situation, when the overseas boss gives commands to action, who frankly does not care about the ambitions of the so-called. European allies (nothing personal - just business). stop
      2. Osama Bin Lyadin
        Osama Bin Lyadin 9 June 2015 12: 00
        +4
        When our Foreign Ministry appeals to "Western partners" with naive questions about "pandering to Nazism", "double standards", violations of agreements - this is about nothing. You have to understand that Nazism is a natural ideology for Western civilization, the pinnacle, one might say, of progressive thought there. It must be understood that fascism is the only response of Western civilization to any challenges. It should be understood that there are no "double standards": they quite sincerely consider us (Russians, Ukrainians, Chinese, Latinos, Arabs ...) subhumans, who are outside the field of rules adopted by the "white masters". And among the objective and natural needs of Western (Anglo-Saxon) civilization, a very honorable place is occupied by the need for us not to exist. But Western Nazi fervor has one weak point: it is designed only to guarantee impunity. To annul these guarantees is Russia's historic mission.
    5. RUSS
      RUSS 9 June 2015 11: 16
      +1
      Quote: fox21h
      And everything goes to this. Kiev does not have independent power, and the Pendos do not need peace; they are trying by all means to draw Russia and the blockade of Prednistria out of this category. Let's hope that Novorossia has enough forces to destroy this fascist regime.

      The fact is that no one needs Minsk 3, both sides are preparing for the final solution of the Donbass issue.
    6. repair2207
      repair2207 9 June 2015 11: 22
      +1
      I think we will help with the forces .... they are fighting for a just cause ... they are a shield from the gayropean "values" ...
    7. SAXA.SHURA
      SAXA.SHURA 9 June 2015 12: 25
      0
      It is still necessary to carry out what you are talking about.
    8. NEXUS
      NEXUS 9 June 2015 13: 43
      +2
      Quote: fox21h
      . Let's hope that Novorossia has enough strength,

      Hvatit.A if, God forbid, the junta "hooks" Transnistria, then there will already be a conversation in an adult and not with the Donbass militias, but with regular units of the Russian army. Then, in this case, the war and the junta will end within two to four days. With the subsequent seating in the cells of all fascist elements, including the leaders, as well as representatives of the very top of this Ukrainian government.
      And then the trial and then some to the "Black Dolphin", and some to the uranium mines.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 9 June 2015 14: 40
        +1
        Quote: NEXUS
        With subsequent seating in the cells of all fascist elements, including leaders, as well as representatives of the very top of this Ukrainian government.
        And then the trial and then some to the "Black Dolphin", and some to the uranium mines.

        angry In this case, I would suggest landing only of high-ranking officials before the trial and investigation, the rest of the team rifleman, PMCs and national battalions of the military field, ordinary privates already in mines, and whom the infrastructure should be restored under close supervision.
  2. Sergey K.
    Sergey K. 9 June 2015 10: 37
    +2
    Said it suddenly and bluntly!
  3. Abbra
    Abbra 9 June 2015 10: 38
    +11
    Minsk-2 has long ceased to exist. Does not exist from the moment these documents were signed. What Minsk-3 can we talk about?
  4. Victor-M
    Victor-M 9 June 2015 10: 42
    +2
    Minsk-3 can be, but only when the militias reach the borders of the Lviv region, and then it will mean the complete surrender of the junta. laughing
    1. Kot58
      Kot58 9 June 2015 11: 12
      -7
      My friend, if the militias go to the border of the Lviv region, then a full-scale war between the West and Russia will begin, and in my opinion this is clear as a clear day
  5. Baloo
    Baloo 9 June 2015 10: 45
    +11
    Carpenter: if Ukraine fails Minsk-2, then Minsk-3 will not, there will be new "boilers"

    And it is right. Militias are fighting with PMCs. It is not clear why the information and evidence they have is not actively and aggressively used in the information space.
    And dill is a consumable.
    I wish the militias to defeat and liberate Ukraine from banderlogs and macaques.
  6. Altona
    Altona 9 June 2015 10: 46
    +2
    The United States has built a "Libyan" state in the center of Europe, the situation will overturn into a "walk-field" regime ... Ukraine is already throwing off the last rudiments of statehood ... There will be several autonomous enclaves like 100 years ago, in the Civil ...
  7. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 9 June 2015 10: 48
    +7
    Zakharchenko also confirmed that Minsk-3 will not be!
  8. GrandsonUncle Vasi
    GrandsonUncle Vasi 9 June 2015 10: 50
    +2
    Could it be any different with these little pigs and such ghouls? For any boilers and pits for the entire Ukrop adventure "power"! good
  9. Dreiko11
    Dreiko11 9 June 2015 10: 50
    +1
    that's all it goes, daily shelling with increasing force
  10. A-Sim
    A-Sim 9 June 2015 10: 52
    +1
    As they explain to you, it will be so.
  11. kg pv
    kg pv 9 June 2015 10: 53
    +2
    If so boldly declares to see the go-ahead received.
    You see, it may not be necessary to cut the corridors to the PMR ...
  12. BOB044
    BOB044 9 June 2015 10: 53
    +4
    Plotnitsky: if Ukraine fails Minsk-2, then Minsk-3 will not, there will be new “boilers” I completely agree with Plotnitsky.
  13. DMoroz
    DMoroz 9 June 2015 10: 54
    +1
    The authorities themselves are rocking the situation, they have been conducting reconnaissance in battle for a week, they will not wait until autumn
  14. Obolensky
    Obolensky 9 June 2015 10: 55
    +1
    He is right. In general, all these "agreements" are not worth a damn. For they have never been carried out by Kiev and those who stand behind them. The West needs a war, it needs military action to keep Europe under its control, to push further economically. All American banks are working for the war. These transatlantic scum do not need peace.
  15. Andrea
    Andrea 9 June 2015 10: 55
    +2
    It was expressed quite clearly.
    Poroshenko, maybe glad to end the war, but who will allow him!
    The states, as voiced by Petro, gathered to wage war until the last Ukrainian.
  16. soldat74
    soldat74 9 June 2015 10: 57
    +3
    Everyone is so sure that as soon as the troops of Novorosia go on the offensive, the Ukrainians will pour them out to meet the flowers. I'm not sure about that. The Bondoers will hide in caches and how their undead grandfathers will kill from the underside.
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 9 June 2015 11: 08
      +2
      Quote: soldat74
      Everyone is so sure that as soon as the troops of Novorosia go on the offensive, the Ukrainians will pour them out to meet the flowers. I'm not sure about that. The Bondoers will hide in caches and how their undead grandfathers will kill from the underside.

      The technique we have to smoke them .. SMERSH experience remained! But now they will be quietly destroyed .. Like "We were deceived and forced by the damned in Kiev .." hi
      Khrushchev rehabilitated them and presented Crimea to the bargain ... Already everything will be different for the villagers ..)))
  17. kvapu1976
    kvapu1976 9 June 2015 11: 02
    +2
    The level of insanity of Yusov’s puppets reached its zenith. Dill will do anything. There is only one way to end the war, this is the destruction of fascist warriors in the Donbas, and then the overthrow of the Zionist-oligarchic junta in Kiev.
  18. Berrick
    Berrick 9 June 2015 11: 04
    -3
    Plotnitsky’s calm and prudence greatly impresses me.
    Unlike "gallant fighters", he does not climb to the front line and does not boast of a scratch in his leg, but is engaged in economic activities. And at the same time calmly and competently rebuffs all attempts to resist the LPR.
  19. MIKHALYCH1
    MIKHALYCH1 9 June 2015 11: 04
    +6
    Boilers will be required and not only .. And now this is the main and very good trend .. The main thing is to launch the industry and economy of New Russia!
    Lugansk Aircraft Repair Plant is a unique industry enterprise. The day before, the control panel was delivered from which the turbine of the combat training MiG-23 of the Indian Air Force was launched. The repair shop in the LPR is the only one in the world where it is possible to fix problems with this type of equipment. http://lifenewscontent.ru/static/posts/2015/06/155335 .. http://infopolk.ru/1/L/news/155335#81afcf8b-4a84-57c7 ..
    1. muhomor
      muhomor 9 June 2015 16: 10
      -1
      And to whom does this plant pay taxes?
  20. AIR ZNAK
    AIR ZNAK 9 June 2015 11: 05
    0
    But in Benderstadt KOPS DO NOT BE EMPTY. IT IS ENOUGH TO REACH THE BOUNDARIES OF THIS AREA
  21. SERGEY UI
    SERGEY UI 9 June 2015 11: 05
    +3
    Oh come on, sheer chatter, it’s a gimmick in the Donbass along the way for a long time, it will not be peace, not war
  22. Banson
    Banson 9 June 2015 11: 07
    +7
    Rather, these boilers would have already begun. Thanks to the action / inaction of our military-political leadership, which simply scored on what is happening in the brotherly 40-millionth country, the Kiev junta seems to have settled in Kiev for a long time. And our paths with Ukraine really diverge, as the paths with Poland diverged in due time (they are also Slavs from the very beginning). Having lost a strategic battle, but having won several striking battles at the same time, our media now present us everything in the form of such a "brilliant game" in which, of course, we won. In fact, the USA won all the same, and this is obvious. The collapse of such a gigantic country as ours is a matter of more than one year, and not even a single decade. And the next step in this direction was successful for the enemy. Ukraine is not ours now. Now we need to expel the damned junta from at least the original Slavic territories. Donbass, Mariupol, Odessa. What would Novorossia become a full-fledged Eastern Ukraine, and not a miserable stub living at the expense of Russia. If this is not done, and they will continue to stick a spoke in the wheels of the holy people's liberation war with their damned "Minsk", etc. then confidence in this current government will quickly run out. She showed well how she protects her indigenous population. Russian guys should fight and die only for those who do not understand. But seriously. 90s were considered dashing and rather dark time in the history of the country. And now it’s kind of like a rebirth. Well, as they say in any case. However, our army, which we maintain, and our power which we type "chose" did not protect us in Yugoslavia. Then she did not protect us in Libya. Then she did not protect us in Syria. Now she did not protect us in Ukraine. Tomorrow she will not protect us in Russia. When the enemy undertakes aggression on some piece of Russian territory. Formally with limited goals and using only conventional weapons. The citizens of these Russian territories will watch in horror as their army, which is obliged to protect them, will not do this, and the top officials of Russian politics appearing on the screen will only "express concern", demand compliance with the norms of "international law" and develop plans one after another "peaceful settlement". The worst thing is that it really can be. When the deceived citizens realize that they have already cut off a piece and begin to send curses to the supreme power, they will immediately be attacked by the cyborgs zombified by the Russian media, with reproaches like “Why don't you go to fight? Why aren’t you fighting for your country? Do you want others to fight ... " Etc. etc. So the citizen will have to watch the so-called parade "Victory", take a look at all these powerful tanks and missile systems (polished and beautiful), and then get the good old smoothbore MR-155 out of the closet, load it with shitty hunting ammunition (after all, even the 12-caliber Zenith BOPSs were cut off by the state on root so that a citizen with a smooth-bore gun could not compare in firepower with an army sniper) and go to fight with a bare ass himself.
    1. Baloo_bst
      Baloo_bst 9 June 2015 11: 22
      0
      with censures like "Why don't you go to fight yourself? Why aren't you fighting for your country? Do you want others to fight ..."


      Who then? If "I" will lie on the couch and wait for Betman, B. Willis, Putin, I. Muromets, etc. to come to rescue me, then your ideology is suitable. If "I" consider myself a citizen of My country, then such questions simply should not arise.
      1. Banson
        Banson 9 June 2015 11: 46
        +3
        Quote: Baloo_bst
        And then who?

        Army. Which is supported by taxpayer money. On our money with you. We are all citizens of Russia living in a state called Russia. And the state as a form of social interaction is obliged to protect the citizen from:
        - armed aggression from the outside.
        - Crime and gang violence in the country.
        - diseases and injuries.
        - man-made disasters.
        For all this, the state has the necessary Tools such as the army, police, healthcare and the Ministry of Emergencies. So protecting a citizen from armed aggression from the outside - state task... If it is not busy with this, then such a state is doomed. A citizen cannot defend himself against the enemy's professional army with its military equipment. And so everywhere. You are run over by bandits. Mafia. You go to the police, and they tell you - "Well, what have we to do with it? Protect yourself ..." Try this. I'll see how it ends. I say it again - government instruments such as the army, police or ambulance are not blessings from above. These are the tools that distinguish the state from chaos and bacchanalia. These are the tools that are created, modernized and maintained. at the expense of citizens. And which required to fulfill their role in protecting these very citizens. If not, then there is no state.
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 9 June 2015 14: 56
          +1
          Quote: Banson
          For all this, the state has the necessary tools such as the army, police, health and the Ministry of Emergencies. So protecting a citizen from armed aggression from the outside is the task of the state. If it is not busy with it, then such a state is doomed.

          belay Something you all mixed in the past comments and continue. Syria, Libya and Yugoslavia - this is not Russia, even Ukraine is not Russia, they will get a war on us according to the tonsils, it will be the army, but they will immediately announce general mobilization - or you plan to sit out somewhere with thoughts: they say there is an army will they cope?
          Take an example from the USA? - so they don’t fight on their territory, and they planted it halfway around their papers. Our state will not send an ordinary person anywhere, but who needs to be at war, and you will find out about this at the best in 10-20 years or by accident from a neighbor of a database participant.
          Individuality (egoism for the most part), education on "democratic" principles and concepts, where everyone does their job - this is a purely capitalist approach and Western tracing paper, so that the people are each on their own and do not clump together for one reason or another.
          1. Banson
            Banson 9 June 2015 15: 30
            -2
            Quote: Corsair
            Something you all mixed in the past comments and continue.

            I didn’t mix anything.
            Quote: Corsair
            Syria, Libya and Yugoslavia are not Russia,

            These are countries in which our interests are strong. Our influence. And at the same time, the United States got in there, and we didn't even blather. How so? Ah - well, I forgot. We no longer have "imperial" ambitions.
            Quote: Corsair
            even Ukraine is not Russia,

            Ukraine is part of our Russian, Slavic world. Russians and Ukrainians live there. That is, we are with you. The war against us is already going on. They are already killing us there. And the fact that we are not participating in this war means only that the enemy does this with impunity.
            Quote: Corsair
            it’s not Russia, they’ll get a war on us.

            Are you so sure? But I am no longer. Not sure. Let me remind you that during the shelling of the Ukrainian Armed Forces of our territory, a Russian citizen was killed. Who paid taxes regularly. And the army as well. What was the reaction of the official authorities to this? As usual - none. "Harsh condemnation" and that's it. Well, as usual. If I were you, I would not be so sure that our Armed Forces will protect us, even if someone climbs into the war right at us. There are already examples.
            Quote: Corsair
            it will be the army, but they will immediately announce a general mobilization - or are you planning to sit out somewhere with your thoughts: they say the army will cope there?
            Take an example from the USA?

            Quote: Corsair
            Individuality (egoism for the most part), education on "democratic" principles and concepts, where everyone does their job - this is a purely capitalist approach and Western tracing paper, so that the people are each on their own and do not clump together for one reason or another.

            You are confusing something, dear. Any state has an army. Professional army. Which takes part in armed conflicts primarily. Well, because this is actually her task. And now, if the regular army already does not have enough strength to solve its problem, then they resort to the services of a trained reserve (if any), and then to the help of the people's militia - i.e. unprofessional people's army. General mobilization is announced. In the case of Ukraine, zombie cyborgs for the sake of the wishes of the zombies of their zombie machine put everything upside down. An ordinary citizen is invited to go to war with the invaders when the regular army (specially designed for this) is sitting in the barracks and chewing snot! This is where it is seen that the militia went ahead of the professional army? But this is exactly what cyborgs offer us today and terribly reproach and accuse of cowardice and selfishness in case of failure. Let me remind you, dear - the use of a poorly armed and poorly trained popular militia against a heavily armed professional army of the enemy will lead to too many losses and can be realized only in cases of emergency.
    2. RiverVV
      RiverVV 9 June 2015 11: 30
      +1
      Dude, you better not give something more dangerous than a slingshot.
  23. Aviator 66
    Aviator 66 9 June 2015 11: 07
    0
    Potroshenko escalates the war as in the case of bombing pi ** the rest of Belgrade, Clinton needed to distract attention from his sexually preoccupied person and we have what we have ... negative
  24. Stalker.1977
    Stalker.1977 9 June 2015 11: 09
    +2
    It is high time to clear this bunch of oligarchs who imagined themselves to be Hitler’s receivers.
  25. Aleksandr12
    Aleksandr12 9 June 2015 11: 12
    +1
    In general, he is right. If the Minsk-2 agreements fail, there is no point in making Minsk-3. Since it could turn into a show like Santa Barbara. And no one needs this.
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 9 June 2015 11: 36
      0
      Quote: Aleksandr12
      In general, he is right. If the Minsk-2 agreements fail, there is no point in making Minsk-3. Since it could turn into a show like Santa Barbara. And no one needs this.

      This is US need .. to 3, 4, 5 ... etc. were .. It has long been clear!
  26. flSergius
    flSergius 9 June 2015 11: 16
    +1
    If Carpenter's mouth is already open, then the last warning to the junta. After all, does anyone remember that he voiced something seriously aggressive? Here Zakharchenko teaches and does it regularly, Basurin, Pushilin, field commanders, and this is usually a "support fighter."
  27. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 9 June 2015 11: 20
    +2
    Of course, it is possible and necessary to negotiate BUT only with those who have power and keep their word ... this does not apply to the current Kiev Nazis ... They do not hold the word ... and the power belongs to the USA and its allies
  28. KGB WATCH YOU
    KGB WATCH YOU 9 June 2015 11: 23
    +1
    I'm not funny anymore, honestly. Does anyone else believe these two clowns, Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky? One Mariupol conquers constantly, the second is threatened by boilers. Their population is dying every day, and they are PR.
  29. friend of animals
    friend of animals 9 June 2015 11: 23
    +1
    Both sides do not need peace if, of course, they are principled and responsible for their words. Because the DPR and LPR got bits of the regions, albeit with industry. But Ukraine simply lost part of the territory. So you have to fight.

    Moreover, time is not on the side of unrecognized republics. Under the supervision of NATO, Ukraine is preparing an army, building armored vehicles. In a year or two they will go on the offensive, is it worth the wait?
  30. RiverVV
    RiverVV 9 June 2015 11: 32
    +1
    Just don’t tell me what exactly Plotnitsky will organize these very boilers. And what kind of failure does he still need?
  31. ma_shlomha
    ma_shlomha 9 June 2015 11: 40
    0
    Whether one should trust the statements of politicians or not, the question is actually a rhetorical one.
    In military affairs, some statements may have a disarming effect. But looking at the map of the line of contact of the parties, but no state troops of the Armed Forces and the forces of Novorosiya, we see that the Armed Forces are much more likely than the DNI and LNR troops to create a pair of boilers. And practice has shown that so far Kiev separatists and terroristsFeeding on the power of the Ukrainian industry, by creating bridges and assault walls made of flesh, compatriots can clap their teeth to the joy of their owners from G7.
  32. LEVIAFAN
    LEVIAFAN 9 June 2015 11: 42
    0
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    Quote: RESEARCHER
    And in Transnistria you can open the second front.

    Hitler was not able to fight on the 2 front, although those two fronts were not comparable with each other. Throughout the war, Stalin feared a war on two fronts and managed to keep the Japanese in China. Will Piglet master two fronts?

    If God wants to punish, it takes away the mind. And if he wants to kill, he also gives pride.

    and we will master two fronts?
  33. Masya masya
    Masya masya 9 June 2015 11: 44
    +4
    His words yes god in ears
  34. avkeys
    avkeys 9 June 2015 11: 58
    +1
    Yes, and Minsk-2 should not have been.
    1. scientist
      scientist 9 June 2015 12: 18
      +1
      Quote: avkeys
      Yes, and Minsk-2 should not have been.

      He is not there. This is just a piece of paper, despite its approval by the UN Security Council. In fact, Kiev not only failed to fulfill a single point, but also hiding behind the decisions of the Verkhovna Rada officially crossed out all points of the agreement itself. Even the most famous terrorists did not act cynically. Now International law, like human rights, exists only for the USA and a little for the EU. All the rest, including Russia, China, the DPR and LPR, and another half of the World simply do not have the right to exist, because it is not beneficial to overseas oligarchs and their lured politicians.
  35. smershxnumx
    smershxnumx 9 June 2015 12: 07
    +2
    One thing is not clear to me !!!!!!!!!!! Why we, as in 2008, as in Georgia, we cannot send troops "FOR FORCING PEACE." DO NOT LOOK AND LISTEN TO ANYONE !! . to play on everyone and on everything, HOW MUCH POSSIBLE UNDER SOMEONE OR WHAT_ WHAT ??????? Let them be afraid of us, not us
    1. Banson
      Banson 9 June 2015 12: 11
      -6
      Because then there was President D.A.M. whom everyone blasphemes and scolds, and now the great and almighty V.V.P.
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 9 June 2015 15: 08
      +2
      Quote: smerx89
      One thing is not clear to me !!!!!!!!!!! Why we, as in 2008, as in Georgia, we cannot send troops "FOR FORCING PEACE." DO NOT LOOK AND LISTEN TO ANYONE !! . to play on everyone and on everything, HOW MUCH POSSIBLE UNDER SOMEONE OR WHAT_ WHAT ??????? Let them be afraid of us, not us

      Then there was a direct attack on our peacekeepers, but now, according to our legend, there are no Donbas, except for individual vacationers and volunteers.
      Climbing on such a mission without consolidation with the allies (Belarus, Kazakhstan) can scare them away from us, they are already worried about their countries and feeders.
      Among other things - we get local partisans, or those dissatisfied with this or that, plus a few mln. which you need to feed water and pay social security.
      Do you think the liberators will come? No, most will whine about the occupation, etc. - they need to feel all the charms of unification with the EU, but for now let the Ukrainians prepare for the land. And the Donbass will be assisted and military.
  36. Oman 47
    Oman 47 9 June 2015 12: 44
    +3
    All this bodyagion will stretch for years and years.
    The end-edge is not yet visible, unfortunately.
    And heaters, pushers - in abundance.
  37. 7 poplar
    7 poplar 9 June 2015 12: 49
    0
    and Minsk-2 was already too much! There’s no one to talk to anyway! (in Kiev)
  38. loaln
    loaln 9 June 2015 13: 34
    +2
    The Minsk agreements are built on sand. They are not viable initially. One must be very ingenious in order to collect in a single text heterogeneous, uncontrolled (in terms of completion), redundant in number of points. This is possible only in one case, when their implementation is not expected. And you can blame anyone for their failure.
    The inconvenience is one. Russia has set itself so in the world that no one needs its objections. And, here, the opposite side expels as it wants. What can you do? Sami framed.
    At the expense of Ukraine's behavior without war. Clever behavior will not be added. The country, which has become de jure a "banana" republic, is morally ready for a change of rulers. Continuous. As they fill their pockets. His own. For a larger population will not pull. The idea of ​​Ukrainian exclusivity has gone too far into the brain. Progress is made faster by the one who helps someone walking or living nearby, and not the one who shoves them, shouting nationalist nonsense.
  39. DPN
    DPN 9 June 2015 13: 41
    +2
    Have a chip in the ruble simple people will probably not mind.
  40. provincial
    provincial 9 June 2015 13: 54
    +4
    Imagine that Novorossia went on the offensive and began to move through the territory of Ukraine, and is it possible when, according to our politicians, up to 80% {this is announced on the program by V. Solovyov} of residents hate Russian "brothers" because they believe that all the troubles are in their the country is the work of Moscow. And where the bandits of Yarosh, they will crawl into the "caches" and from there they will shoot in the backs and carry out provocations to destroy the civilian population - they have such experience. just need. I don’t think it’s necessary to do something differently. It’s possible to wait when the majority of the Ukrainian population "matures", the process has begun, judging by the rallies and demonstrations in Kiev and other cities. Wait, perhaps a long wait.
    1. Bully
      Bully 9 June 2015 14: 42
      +1
      “In my opinion - I have such an internal conviction - Minsk-3 will not be. If Minsk-2 ceases to exist, then there will be a boiler near Kharkov, a boiler near Kiev, a boiler near Lviv and other Ukrainian cities, but Minsk-3 will no longer exist, ”Plotnitsky said at a media forum.

      Why wishful thinking? The alignment of forces now is such that the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not have the ability to attack on a full scale, since they suffer heavy losses. The BCH has a similar problem if the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation do not harness officially or semi-officially, which is in great doubt. Tryndet about boilers near Kharkov, Kiev and Lviv is simply pointless, it’s the same as to frighten children by Baba-Yaga. The situation was mothballed and not at all in favor of the BCH.
      1. Banson
        Banson 9 June 2015 14: 48
        0
        Quote: provincial
        I don’t think it’s necessary to do something differently. It’s possible to wait until most of the Ukrainian population "matures", the process has begun, judging by the rallies and demonstrations in Kiev and other cities.

        Oh, how naive you are. Will not ripen. Most of the patients there are incurable in the current reality. To cure them, you need to turn back the propaganda machine. And this will not happen as long as the junta is in power. That is, if you first go through all of Ukraine. Kill all enemies. Put your president in Kiev and start a large-scale brainwashing in the opposite direction - i.e. explain to the people why and why all his troubles. Who is the junta really. That Russia is their country, and they themselves are our brothers, the Slavs, etc. etc. Then in 15 years the situation will really change radically. Until the junta is in power - we will not wait. This is another shameful miscalculation of our Kremlin geniuses. Sometimes it seems that the situation in Ukraine is for them something like a game with the West. Sluggish, good-natured and "good-natured". Well, what about the fact that our people there are dying like flies - when did our government care about the Slavs? Remember this? I don’t remember - only about the "precious" national minorities. Not about us. Swamp must be arranged so that at least somehow they would pay attention. "will endure everything" - this is the main principle.
        1. provincial
          provincial 9 June 2015 15: 46
          0
          "Marsh" we already had, finished badly. Yes, and people genetically remembered "swamp and white ribbons" is bad. If you want to bring people to the square, think of something more reasonable. Maidan is blood, Russia does not want the upheavals that are happening on Ukraine and the bulk will break anyone's neck when trying to do this. People say about the GDP "democratised", and he people thinks that we are undersized to the freedoms that it offers. In modern conditions, democracy will ruin Russia. The feeling is as if we are began to play with the Europeans in some kind of game and according to their rules, and then realized that the continuation would lead to the loss of the country's sovereignty and sharply besieged it.
          1. Banson
            Banson 9 June 2015 16: 11
            -3
            Quote: provincial
            , and he believes people that we are not mature enough to the freedoms that he offers.

            In general, under Putin, there was no trace of the former democracy that was under the USSR and partly persisted during the reign of B.N. Yeltsin. All - forget it. Now only rotten liberalism, deceit and sklizsky appearance of well-being.
    2. Banson
      Banson 9 June 2015 14: 48
      +1
      Quote: provincial
      Imagine that New Russia went on the offensive and began to advance along the territory of Ukraine,

      She went on a counterattack, liberated the entire territory of Donbass, Mariupol, Odessa, Kharkov. To the Dnieper in general. And stopped at this. It is along this border that the line of separation of the brains runs.
      Quote: provincial
      But is it possible when, according to our politicians, up to 80% {this is announced on the program by V. Solovyov} of residents hate Russian "brothers" because they believe that all the troubles in their country are the work of Moscow.

      So this is Moscow's fault. They saw everything perfectly. Everyone knew perfectly well what was being prepared and planned in Kiev. In the capitals of the then fraternal Ukraine. But after all, they did not lift a finger to avoid what eventually happened. Moreover, they began to "play" the "brilliant game" in an extremely wrong, unprofessional manner, recognizing the bandits who seized power in Kiev as legitimate. Themselves chopped off all those few trump cards that we still had after the Maidan. This is Moscow's fault, not the fact that it did not let the tanks go there, when the information war had already been lost and the people of Ukraine were zombified into the state of cyborgs. Those who bow before the "wisdom" and "genius" of the incumbent president, let them finally open their eyes. He's not the genius. Do you really think that in a country of 140 million people there is no person who can really be the main superpower? Of course, there are such people, but the current machine of fooling presents everything exclusively in the light of "Who else but Putin?" Well, the "democratic" elections - Putin and five clowns, competitors. Who if not Putin blinking !? In fact, analyzing his political steps since 1999, it is clearly seen that this person is learning to govern the country in the same way, gradually becoming more and more competent, but in the process of this "training" he has already broken so many firewood that Russia will have enough to disentangle them for years. 100 forward.
      Quote: provincial
      And where will Yarosh's bandits, they will crawl into the "caches" and from there will shoot in the backs and carry out provocations to destroy the civilian population - they have such experience.

      Well, of course - even better they kill, rape, cut and burn openly. Anyone who didn't like it. Anyone you meet. And they rush into houses of law-abiding citizens and do what they want. This is better than driving them underground, partially destroying them.
      1. provincial
        provincial 9 June 2015 15: 35
        +1
        "Do you really think that in a country of 140 million people there is no person who can really be the main superpower?" Name it and I'll vote for it.
        1. Banson
          Banson 9 June 2015 16: 43
          0
          It’s not enough to name it. He needs to be given an opportunity like that to prove oneself. Moreover, in the legal field. It is somehow not necessary to wait. Anyone who is a politician is immediately pushed into her very anal. And most importantly - with the current machine of fooling, it is simply impossible to get widespread popular support in opposition to the authorities.
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  42. uge.garik
    uge.garik 9 June 2015 16: 40
    +2
    The failure of Minsk-2 is; The Sea of ​​Azov - the inland sea of ​​Russia, Moldova’s access to the sea in exchange for a corridor for the PMR and a full-scale civil war on the remnants of ukroland ... and who wants to participate ...?
  43. Donch4ak
    Donch4ak 9 June 2015 21: 17
    +2
    What kind of Lvov boilers does he rave about ??? First you need to drive away the Natsik from Lugansk. It is conceivable to share the skin of an unkilled bear, when the enemy is 1 km from the city, the city is partially disconnected from the water supply, the connection also leaves much to be desired ...
  44. erseer
    erseer 11 June 2015 02: 50
    +1
    Quote: Banson
    It’s not enough to name it. He needs to be given an opportunity like that to prove oneself. Moreover, in the legal field. It is somehow not necessary to wait. Anyone who is a politician is immediately pushed into her very anal. And most importantly - with the current machine of fooling, it is simply impossible to get widespread popular support in opposition to the authorities.

    what? can feed from a spoon?
    the one who was pushed by the "annals" is not viable as a leader.
    VVP has shown and is showing itself as a leader of a Great country and not just another "prezik" of a liberal-silent state.
    And that, start small - "name, name of sestra!" to whom to prove themselves, "and in the legal field"?
  45. Russian
    Russian 11 June 2015 22: 52
    0
    Ukraine will not be able to transfer more boilers.
  46. Just seraph
    Just seraph 11 June 2015 23: 54
    0
    "If Ukraine fails Minsk-2, then Minsk-3 will not exist, there will be new" boilers "

    He said how to cut it. Short and clear.
  47. ramesid_iv
    ramesid_iv 12 June 2015 00: 04
    -1
    And why is it not said how many field commanders of the LPR were killed by the Carpenter toad? Can you tell us about the military path of this miraculous Judah - let the people laugh. Although, the owner of a network of gas stations can be unlimited - everything is paid for, and bylo will tolerate.
  48. bromine
    bromine 12 June 2015 08: 05
    0
    It is high time to move on from words to deeds - Ukrainians officially announced the return of heavy weapons to the front line. Every day, they put out myrrh. Instead of removing the field commanders, it would be better to give an order to attack the great ukrov.
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