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Why did the enemy reach the Donbass?

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My dad is from Dnepropetrovsk, from Zaporizhzhya Cossacks, my mother is from Kuban Cossacks, my great-grandfather is Russified Chechen, and my great-grandmother is from little believers who fled from the tsar to the Caucasus. I myself live on Baikal next to the Buryats. Such is the international fusion. I am writing this, probably, for myself. I want to put all the points. On the one hand, the past year since the moment of the conflict, the nerves have become rather weak, on the other hand, everything has become somehow dull. Probably, it was necessary not to send money, but simply to go and fight, it seems impossible to hide behind small children, but on the other hand - and who will be fed? Again, as time passes, a lot of doubt creeps in about whether to go?

The first question from the past: why did not the troops enter in April?

Now they are trying to explain this to us by the fact that our leaders believed that the situation could be resolved peacefully. Maybe. Perhaps another, for example, our oligarchs did not stand on ceremony about the Crimea — strategic security, and in the Donbas they decided to squeeze Akhmetov and others. First, we organize Novorossia, then we carry out nationalization, then we add territories to Russia and carry out privatization, in which the former elite does not participate. Very simple, legally true, but failed. The biggest argument in favor of ours is not we who started it. They probably could have stopped in conception, but we did not start. The usual capitalist war unfolded. It turns out that our volunteers who went to defend the Russian world, can run into the attack with a cry: "Long live Chubais." From this thought somehow becomes very sad. But one plus is still there. It is better to shout "long live Chubais" than "long live Rothschild." Your huckster, whatever it may be, yet your own, then you can negotiate with him. With Rothschild it is impossible - he speaks another language.

If you believe the statements of our leaders about the peaceful way or accept the option that they simply miscalculated, were scared - it turns out that they made a strategic mistake, and now it's too late, you have to play a role to the end. It makes it a little easier. You can blame Putin for it, you can't betray. Stalin also made a mistake that cost the country much more. Not just more, but at times. And only three years later Kiev was beaten off, and millions were killed by the people. However, the people went on the attack for Stalin - they believed that it was necessary that way. Therefore, we must continue to shout for Putin, this is better than for Obama. What do you think? I now think that an order of magnitude better, I would even say that there are no other options, and there is no point in discussing them.

Question two: why do they remove heroes?

There is an expression: the revolution kills its heroes. At all times, this postulate was confirmed by time. The first to come are leaders, romantics, charismatic natures capable of miracles, but when building a state, pragmatists, practitioners, and performers are needed. Therefore, the process of evolution, however, is very bloody. In addition to evolution, there is an elementary war, in which everyone from the first wave dies more often than the second.

Part of the leaders of the revolution in the Donbas peacefully left their posts. Those who did not accept the construction of a system that did not fit into their ideas, either had to leave themselves or forcibly. I don’t raise the question of Brain, but I can accept any version, even the most unpleasant one. At the same time, I cannot now judge whether it is right or not, since I didn’t sit at the same table with the brigade commander, I don’t know the whole situation, and he, according to reviews, was not a simple person. I will ask another question: was it right to decide on the execution of Tukhachevsky? I remember at the end of the last century's 80 of him (Tukhachevsky) almost made a hero, a sufferer, and then a host of other interesting facts surfaced. It turned out that Tukhachevsky was not quite so fluffy, and I personally did with Comrade. Stalin agrees. Therefore, time will put everything in its place.

Another question is why to Strelkov in the back so much dirt is poured? The man is gone. Dissatisfied - this is understandable. He criticizes - it is also understandable and permissible, and he can be more than anyone. The only explanation is that Strelkova is a little afraid. Not as a man endowed with power, but as a man of legendary, popular and respected in the eyes of many. Consequently, having political potential. It is unlikely in Russia, but in Donetsk there were no competitors in his time. And if tomorrow is the election of the president of New Russia? Therefore, the guys work for the future. Sliding into criticism, he himself gives them the opportunity. However, if we analyze the behavior of the same Beard, it becomes clear: there is no faith in his arguments. First, because in the back. Secondly, nothing is confirmed - so, words, nasty, unpleasant, but just words. Now, if Comrade Boroday had said that there was an order to keep Slavyansk at Strelkov, and he was afraid, therefore after the escape the minister was removed - there are no questions. But it was not at all like that, and we all know that. It was then a brilliant strategist Borodai, followed by a brilliant assault on the airport in Donetsk, began to blame not a brilliant alarmist and a coward Strelkov, who had restrained an army with overwhelming superiority for four months and lost as many people as Borodai's genius in a single day laid at the airport with brilliantly zero results. Why am I so angry? And besides that it would be necessary to slow down. Strelkov believes that it is necessary to lean all the power and hang in Kiev, the State Department henchmen. So I think so too. And Comrade. Solovyov, in his program, repeatedly stated to the whole country that he was looking forward to it. And those who do not think so, in my understanding, are not our people. Another question is whether it can be done now? In another way I ask: is it necessary? I do not know. To speak unequivocally, one must have the information of those who are making these decisions now. I have no such level of information. Therefore, I will accept the words of Strelkov that the supreme commander-in-chief is a guarantee of victory, otherwise collapse.

Question three: who is to blame?

Valentin Savvich Pikul in his book "Barbarossa" asked the question: why did the Nazis reach the Volga? He does not give an answer, only the bitterness in it is felt, some kind of deceit. I want to ask myself and you: why are they still shooting at Donetsk? Why does the enemy at our threshold kill our Russian people?

Recently I talked with one deputy. I asked him how much money he sent to the Donbass. He tells me that since Putin got in there, let Putin fight. Such are they, the chosen ones of the people. Not all, of course, but there is.

In 2014, in May, the cost of one tank T-80 was about 100-120 million rubles. A lot, right? Do you think a dozen such machines in Strelkov’s June in Slavyansk could solve the issue not of defense, but of an attack on Dnepropetrovsk or Kharkov? And if you add to this a motorized rifle regiment of a thousand people? June is the month of last year. 20 T-80 tanks are divided into two columns of ten vehicles, with the support of motorized infantry they begin to move to Kharkov and Zaporozhye. The detachments of the formed partisans near Kharkov, in Zaporozhye and the resistance in Odessa with joint efforts liberate the entire southeast. They go to the borders of the Transnistrian republic, throw all the evil spirits out beyond the Dnieper. At that time, the script is more than. Why didn’t they give Strelkov such money? Why is Strelkov asking for food for the third month for militias and their families?

Tell me where to get the money? In the country 143.000.000 people. Everyone is reset on 1000 rub. For the poor and the neighbor additionally (then ask from the neighbor). Total: from whom the thing, from whom the chervonets. In Strelkov at the end of May 140 billion rubles. This is 1400 tanks! Do not need so much. 20-30 T-80 is enough, equipped crews, mercenaries with a salary of 10 000 rubles per day, 40-50 BMP - this is the end of the war in a month, maximum two. More money will remain on the parade of victory. What, Putin, do you need to rake every porridge, or who else will we look for - hang the dogs? I got up in the morning, looked at myself in the mirror. Remember, if you have your bank back on beer, then you are also to blame for the fact that people are dying there now. Because you are a gray, heartless mass that doesn’t deserve anything anymore, how to clean the boots of your masters and snap when the prices of your communal apartment are raised.

Somehow it did not feel better, dear fellow citizens. Sorry if offended, but you have to eat, you cooked this porridge too - you are not cattle, you are citizens of this country. Or how?

Why did the enemy reach the Donbass?
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  1. Rigla
    Rigla 9 June 2015 07: 35
    +40
    It was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines ... Perhaps I will refrain from the minuses / pluses.
    1. STOP VOINE 2014
      STOP VOINE 2014 9 June 2015 07: 47
      -4
      Honestly, but not shit, "Klava" has already offended with his fingers and saved no one at all, stubbornly tryndim, we support ourselves, read, set out great thoughts, and keep it up!

      Yeah, completely forgot-minus attached ....
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      2. captain
        captain 9 June 2015 11: 51
        +55
        The enemy reached the Donbass because we did not have any policies regarding Ukraine. We sent to Ukraine ambassadors of people very far from diplomacy, we tried to resolve issues there by concepts, we did not work with Russian organizations in Ukraine, we did not make a map of Russian (like Poles, Hungarians, Romanians), we wanted to agree on a quiet one. Our Kremlin analysts are no good, that's what the events in Ukraine showed. We did not learn from the crisis in our relations with the Baltic countries, Georgia, Moldova, etc. We left the Russians and Russian speakers to their fate. And now, in a hurry, we are trying to solve these problems. Everything needs to be done just in time. Soon we will have problems with Belarus and Kazakhstan.
        1. SAXA.SHURA
          SAXA.SHURA 9 June 2015 12: 46
          +14
          Which of Zurabov’s diplomats, he never stood close to diplomacy.
          1. jdcjd
            jdcjd 9 June 2015 13: 56
            +6
            Zurabov is a multi-station operator. I’m a cybernetics economist by education (I don’t understand how it is, but it’s written on the wiki, I believe the boom). He headed the pension fund and managed health care, then went to diplomats. So we have what we have, or rather, what has us.
    2. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 9 June 2015 07: 49
      +75
      Now Russia cannot get involved in a conflict clearly ... We are still weak to resist half the world! A year ago I shouted hurray and waved a sword .. I read, listened to what is happening in Ukraine ... They must themselves and only themselves .. To remember on century and at the word Bandera, the National Guard of the Maidan shuddered and covered with cold sweat .. As we do after the word "perestroika, Gorbachev, Yeltsin, etc." hi
      1. Grandfather bear
        Grandfather bear 9 June 2015 08: 42
        +54
        MIKHALYCH1
        They themselves and only themselves .. To remember for centuries and at the word Bandera, the National Guard Maidan shuddered and covered in cold sweat ..

        Question to Mikhalych (and other "non-leading troops");
        And who asked to enter? Even in this article emphasis is not on the introduction of troops but on basic assistance !!!
        Stop distorting !!!
        Who stopped the attack ?!
        Who did not give to take virtually empty from the troops Zhdanov (Mariupol) ???
        IF DO NOT ENTER THE MILITARY TO-N E M E SH A Y T E!!!
        About the fact that Akhmetka needs the Zhdanov port trade legally - only complete and d and o t does not know, that's the whole "strategy" of curators from the Kremlin skies!
        And blackmail ???
        "Don't get the" Voentorg "if Strelkov doesn't leave"is this "help" ??? This is how they represent the fight against fascism oligarchfren?
        Because the people and respect Stalin-he did not blackmail internationalists in Spain !!!
        MIKHALYCH1;
        to confront half the world! G

        Eka grabbed you! Didn’t it get darker underneath?
        Which half? Who would stick in? They can only out of squeamishness and do not twist against force. So calm your fears.

        ps
        What about discounted gas and coal? And the fact that Russian banks are still financing the Nazis? And Roshen in stores? Yes, a lot more is happening in the "aggressor country" that does not fit with the pompous speeches on May 9 from the stands !!!
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          1. varov14
            varov14 9 June 2015 10: 14
            +5
            Forgive him, we look from the bell tower of a simple, one can say, poor man in the street and naturally sympathize with the same simple inhabitants who are also bombed, and our government is capitalistic, even oligarchic and even comprador and its goals are high and inaccessible to our mind, since it is not able to calculate all the benefits in someone else's pocket.
          2. Grandfather bear
            Grandfather bear 9 June 2015 10: 27
            +7
            Alexander Romanov
            I accept your opinion as an answer in style;
        2. MIKHALYCH1
          MIKHALYCH1 9 June 2015 08: 57
          +5
          Quote: Grandfather Bear
          Even in this article, the emphasis is not on the introduction of troops but on basic assistance !!!
          Stop distorting !!!
          Who stopped the attack ?!

          Help is ongoing ..! (And not with KAMAZ, but with teams)
          There were enough forces, only for boilers and their elimination ..
          Who stopped the offensive? He was not actually ...
          Mariupol, too large a city for the militia (without the support of the troops of the Russian Federation) The hope was that the junta would make concessions, but alas!
          All hope for an economic and information war .. I think so ... maybe not right hi
          1. Corcap
            Corcap 9 June 2015 09: 24
            +13
            Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
            All hope for an economic and information war.


            About the "informational" ... I do not see that it was a WAR, tough and uncompromising.
            Individual attempts are "0". Russia does not have real levers to influence the minds and souls of the population of the territory, and if there is (I may simply not know about their presence), then it does not use them ...

            About "economic" ... Here, everything is much worse. Gas discounts, liberalism in demanding repayment of loans and more, more, more ...
          2. Grandfather bear
            Grandfather bear 9 June 2015 09: 27
            +15
            Escape from Zhdanov (Mariupol) a year ago during the onset of the militia !!!


            This is for those who suffer from FORGIVENESS or think that people have forgotten !!!
            Zhdanov (Mariupol) was empty of punitive fascists until a "truce" was announced !!!
            At that time, the DRG militias went to the BERDYANSK area !!!
            1. Corcap
              Corcap 9 June 2015 09: 47
              +20
              Quote: Grandfather Bear
              Escape from Zhdanov (Mariupol) a year ago during the onset of the militia !!!


              There was no offensive at that time ... It could have been, but there was not. The militia, ready to BLOCK Mariupol, cutting it off from the forces of the junta, was given the command "Stop!" ...
              And the "Minski" began ...

              And the first video refers to the 9 of May 14go, when the Natsiks, having established a blood bath, were dragging out of the city ...
              1. shtanko.49
                shtanko.49 9 June 2015 10: 07
                +6
                Business is always a fraud and betrayal, and this is the basis of capitalism, that’s the answer why everything is not so in the Donbass. Moreover, they want to revive the people's power and Putin for the bourgeois anyway.
                1. Corcap
                  Corcap 9 June 2015 10: 32
                  +12
                  Quote: shtanko.49
                  Moreover, they want to revive the people's power, and Putin for the bourgeoisie in any case.

                  Remember the history of the Civil War, after the October 1917 ...
                  And that "patchwork quilt", which looked like various forces and currents. Here you have both "red" and "white" and "green speckled" and so on ...
                  We have a "Wishlist", no less than then, each has its own ...

                  For example, I stand for Ukraine, a NEW, DENAZIFIED Ukraine, after the Victory, to become (sooner or later) a united state again.
                  This removes a lot of problems, both for us and Russia ...

                  Based on the fact that the majority of VO visitors are still Russians, I’ll note:

                  - Even after the liberation of Donbass from the junta, the threat to the Russian Federation will only increase, since the OTHER territory, AUTOMATICALLY, will become the US bridgehead ...

                  If you take control of ALL of Ukraine, with proper conduct of business, I GUARANTEE, Soon, VERY SOON, you will acquire at least a neutral neighbor ...

                  This is the case when the HALF, limited to simply criminal and suicidal ...
        3. BecmepH
          BecmepH 9 June 2015 10: 55
          +2
          And what about Roshen in stores?
          I don’t know if there is ROSHEN in stores ... And you, my dear, go and drink tea yourself with ROSHEN))) And what did you do for the DPR, my dear? Fought? Did they repair equipment? Helped with money? As you are tired, the keyboard characters ....
          1. menkomi
            menkomi 9 June 2015 13: 33
            +6
            There is Roshen in stores - go to any Magnet. The question is - who buys it? For a year now I have been trying not to buy goods made in Ukraine, Poland, the Baltic states and our other "sworn partners". It doesn't always work out, though, but mostly. And at the same time, I have no problems with finding the right product.
        4. Volzhanin
          Volzhanin 9 June 2015 13: 01
          +2
          By the way, it’s interesting - do we have scumbags in Russia who buy this smelly candy?
          1. Svetlana
            Svetlana 9 June 2015 15: 01
            +7
            Quote: Volzhanin
            By the way, it’s interesting - do we have scumbags in Russia who buy this smelly candy?

            There are people who buy sweets for children, without looking who made them. This is not scum, but ordinary citizens. Scum those who still have not covered up this business in Russia. He lives and thrives, only from time to time OMON is visited there. For what - it’s not clear.
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        5. denk20
          denk20 9 June 2015 13: 11
          +3
          The port of Akhmetka now and two years ago was needed only in order to export equipment from Mariupol. Three coke oven batteries, two open-hearth furnaces were taken away, the sinter plant is actively being taken away. Where? So Ahmetka in Algeria is building a factory. And this is just the result of what was not allowed to pick up Mariupol that year. Another outcome is the ongoing war. If the junta hadn’t paid taxes in Mariupol (18% of Ukraine’s GDP is just a city apart from collective farms throughout the country), the junta wouldn’t have existed and there would have been no question of losing the territorial integrity of Ukraine. The capture of Mariupol is the final military defeat of the junta. Yes, then someone will have a hangover and a hard one, someone will need to sober up, and someone else will have to be shot, but this will already be a victory.
        6. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 9 June 2015 19: 52
          0
          Quote: Grandfather Bear
          And who asked to enter? Even in this article, the emphasis is not on the introduction of troops but on basic assistance !!!

          We read carefully:
          Do you think a dozen such machines in Strelkov’s June in Slavyansk could solve the issue not of defense, but of an attack on Dnepropetrovsk or Kharkov? And if you add to this a motorized rifle regiment of a thousand people?

          And where does this regiment come from?

          And the second question: why these deliveries, if the militia had the same BHVT in Artyomovsk near by? And with all this, in two months they could not form a tank company and MSP in a thousand people from the population supporting them. Moreover, all the summer of 2014 in Kharkov, units loyal to Kiev continued to sit with weapons and ammunition.
        7. Suvorov
          Suvorov 10 June 2015 00: 01
          -2
          Quote: Grandfather Bear
          Who stopped the attack ?! Who didn’t let Zhdanov (Mariupol) practically empty from the troops ???


          Mariupol was not taken for a reason: firstly, the forces for this were not enough. Secondly, despite the fact that part of the junta’s troops escaped from the city, the remaining ones would be enough to organize defense. Thirdly, the city had to be blocked from the sea (in order to avoid the supply of reinforcements and supplies of the Armed Forces), and only the Russian Navy was capable of this, which is equivalent to the direct participation of Russia in the war. Well, and finally, fourthly, the "Western partners" warned Putin that sanctions would follow immediately if the militia took Mariupol. As you know, sanctions were imposed even despite the signing of Minsk-1, but at that time the situation was not so straightforward (some of the European “partners” were against the sanctions). Putin tried to avoid the “unpleasant consequences" for the Russian economy as much as possible. This did not succeed, the US “pushed” the introduction of sanctions by the EU, but, in the whole world, unequivocal support for US policy and isolation of Russia did not work. What would the situation look like in the event of our direct military intervention or even the capture of Mariupol? Now we are at least better prepared for any embargo on the part of the West and we know what can be expected from Western “partners”. But, at that time, the exact "reaction" to our actions was almost impossible to predict. Therefore, that “took”, then “took”. We still need to “digest” Crimea. The rest later, when we are better prepared for this.
          Of course, APUs are also being prepared, but we will hope for a gradual realization of the meaninglessness of this massacre by the citizens of Ukraine themselves.
          1. asiat_61
            asiat_61 10 June 2015 03: 14
            -1
            So the black-eyed cheated Putin, Hitler cheated on Stalin? So the suckers lead us?
      2. Aleksander
        Aleksander 9 June 2015 09: 35
        +11
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        They themselves and only themselves .. To remember for centuries and at the word Bandera, the National Guard Maidan shuddered and covered in cold sweat ..


        Yes, yes, and the Germans, Italians, Hungarians, Romanians, Slovaks, Finns, Croats in 1933-1945 had to themselves and only themselves .. So that at the word SS stormtrooper and torch "startled and covered in cold sweat"Only now, the whole world shuddered and then, and bloody, covered the whole world, which could and had to stop Hitler at the beginning, in 1933, and not at Stalingrad in 1942 ...

        Concessions and attempts at reconciliation with the Nazis only strengthen them and lead to much more serious victims ...
        1. Tor hummer
          Tor hummer 9 June 2015 14: 24
          +5
          Quote: Aleksander
          Concessions and attempts at reconciliation with the Nazis only strengthen them and lead to much more serious victims ...


          Half measures are fatal. They are even worse than inaction.
        2. Erg
          Erg 9 June 2015 15: 53
          +3
          Aleksander. As soon as our government openly declares to the world that the main "sponsor" of Hitler was the United States, all "misunderstandings" will disappear in the Donbas. Do you understand? You can't be half honest.
      3. Mariner
        Mariner 9 June 2015 10: 04
        +5
        I agree. Dolny themselves sip in full, otherwise enlightenment does not come.
        1. Penzyac
          Penzyac 9 June 2015 21: 18
          0
          Quote: Mariner
          I agree. Dolny themselves sip in full, otherwise enlightenment does not come.

          Otherwise, they will not accept help, they will not understand, they will not accept. Remember the main difference between the first and second "Chechen" companies? It is about the attitude of the local population towards the militants and the federal forces. But, you cannot pull endlessly either - there will be no one to help ...
          And the opinion of the West, for me like that - pah, make noise, make noise, sanction it - is not pleasant, but not fatal. In 2008, there was also a lot of noise, but they only lasted for a couple of years. In the end, they always have their own shirt closer to the body ...
      4. perm23
        perm23 9 June 2015 11: 49
        +1
        YOU are right, of course, but here's how long we should wait, when we become strong.
      5. Mikhaylych
        Mikhaylych 9 June 2015 13: 40
        +2
        Mikhalych, how many in our history there were "ourselves", remind you of the Mongol-Tatar yoke, it happened precisely because of this position, for 300 years yourselves flew for it yourself. Second, tell all this to their children and women. Whoever threw so many pluses on you is surprising, those whose position is "my house is on the edge." And if there were your children, grandchildren, you would probably trumpet here for help. All these atrocities are created because of our indifference. Do not disgrace yourself, better not write anything, if I am not mistaken on your avatar, a soldier, defender of the Motherland, you must be worthy of this avatar. You can minus, but your comment is disgusting, full of selfishness and indifference to other people's troubles, from that enemies are bursting with us, that we don't care what our native neighbors are doing. There has never been such a thing in Mother Russia that we did not intercede for our neighbors, but the traders came and away we go, international law, even if it’s concerns. Although remember who made all this mess there, and then backed up, and the massacre had already begun, who publicly announced the punishment for the murdered child. Why did they start a storm in the South-East? Why did they raise the people, and then backtrack, because the result is thousands of killed, including hundreds of women and children killed? Or say nothing of this? We would have entered in the spring, or in the fall, on the backs of the running ukrovoyak, none of this would have happened, but this is only the beginning of a very large hemorrhoid, which will still come back to haunt us with very large losses. This weakness of our authorities in the west was immediately appreciated and now they will not lag behind, now only through blood, so in spring or autumn it would have been much smaller. And Strelkov writes correctly, whether someone likes it or not. Ask the military what a "missed military initiative" is, they will tell you.
        1. dobryak19
          dobryak19 9 June 2015 13: 47
          0
          how is it simple with you .. and who started the storm in the SE? Donetsk residents themselves must finally understand that they themselves must decide their fate, and not some grandfather from Moscow, Kiev, Washington or Brussels .. just YOURSELF! in donbass, not only a military but also a political game is being played. unfortunately, not everything is so simple and a cavalry or tank swoop cannot solve this problem "in one fell swoop".
          1. Mikhaylych
            Mikhaylych 9 June 2015 14: 53
            +4
            What nonsense are you talking about, most of Ukraine and especially Donbass, this is the historical part of Russia, Russia and there are Russian people like you there and at the moment there is intervention, from what you legally select the justification for your inaction and cowardice you cannot hide of the above. This is the real occupation of our territories and the expulsion of two million inhabitants from them. Donbass is no less ours than Crimea (not a bit). At the expense of action or inaction, or your sabers, I repeat, the train has left, the war will happen anyway, don’t hope to sit out, they hate our faith, culture, mentality, all of ours and they have found a weak spot, indecision, plus destroyed industry, lack of ships planes, the country's inability to reproduce losses in these same ships and planes and they will not give up on their own, they went to this for a very long time. Due to the fact that our neck will be immersed in the sand, the problem will not disappear and the inhabitants of Novorossia no less belong to Russia than you, throw your ego aside and you will clearly see it.
      6. Karabin
        Karabin 9 June 2015 14: 56
        +1
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        We are still weak to confront half the world!

        Are there any prospects for strengthening? We have launched the mobilization of the economy? Is industrial production growing? Is the high-tech sector developing? As if to us with Putinomics, it would not fall to the level of third-rate countries. But this is not the main thing. We confronted half the world in conditions of post-war devastation, not even having a bomb. Now there is nuclear parity, but no strength.
    3. Cheshire
      Cheshire 9 June 2015 07: 49
      +33
      There is a good phrase that I will subscribe to:
      You can blame Putin for this, you cannot betray him.

      But the calls to fight for Russian land with the hands of mercenaries did not inspire me personally, as did the calculations of missed opportunities. And the main thesis, as I understand it, is that Russia is to blame for everything, that it did not give money? The author is not original, the Ukrainians are responsible for everything, and they are looking at everything from the side. Is there really not enough men in the four millionth Donbass, and we need mercenaries from Russia. I do not believe.
      1. BecmepH
        BecmepH 9 June 2015 08: 17
        +10
        Donbass is not enough men, and we need mercenaries from Russia.
        They (men) dumped everything in Russia, but are we fighting? Do the residents of Donbass want Russian troops to enter? Not sure. MIKHALYCH1 is right to all 100. I join every word of him. The same thoughts were, made the same conclusion.
        1. demo
          demo 9 June 2015 08: 44
          +19
          And you fight for yours, for Russian, for your identity. So that in his declining years it would not be embarrassing to look in the mirror.
          And those who fell to Russia - God is their judge.
          A man takes and does.
          And the other will look for a reason to pay off.
          In 41, not everyone was enthusiastically throwing a grenade at tanks.
          There were those who decided to give up.
          And suddenly it will blow.
          But when it became clear that the enemy did not come for a picnic.
          When Belarusian villages were wiped off the face of the earth with their inhabitants, then it became clear to the majority - it was necessary to hit seriously - once on the head, and the second time on the coffin lid.
          It’s just that we, the Russians (everyone living in Russia) have some strange character trait - to believe in the integrity of people. Including obvious enemies.
          After all, all this Bandera and shukhevych bastard is a clear enemy.
          Their place is below the -2.000 mark.
          And we’ll talk about these creatures seven times on TV, six of them six times as some kind of heroes, God forgive me.
          And what do we simple people think at the same time?
          What exactly is this position among our leaders.
          They themselves do not know what to do.
          They are pricked and want.
          1. BecmepH
            BecmepH 9 June 2015 11: 19
            +12
            And you fight for yours, for Russian, for your identity.
            Crimea-voted. Donbass voted. So they got what they voted for (what they wanted). Why should I fight for a man (resident of Donbass) who lives in a neighboring apartment? Why should I protect his land, and HE will watch on TV how I clean his land from evil spirits? That's when all the men of Donbass will defend their land, then I will come to their aid. And for my (children, relatives and friends), Russian (Russian), for my identity, I will not regret life. Although I was dismissed from the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation for health reasons (disability), I’ll be among the first to join the military enlistment office. I answer ... And I'm not the only one. I repeat, you write such heroic opuses not from Baikal and Buryatia, but from the territory of Donbass. Then I will listen to you and believe you ...
            1. dobryak19
              dobryak19 9 June 2015 13: 01
              +1
              so many normal men think so, I am joining all 100%!
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        3. Aleksander
          Aleksander 9 June 2015 10: 09
          +1
          Quote: BecmepH
          They (men) dumped everything in Russia, but are we fighting?


          So, if the men "escaped", let the Nazis calmly kill women, children, the elderly, does this already bother anyone? By the way, 40 thousand militias are not local, but who?
          In an interview, a Shakhtar manager from Donetsk said that only in his not-so-large house in Donetsk there are already six dead militias
      2. Combitor
        Combitor 9 June 2015 08: 39
        +15
        Quote: Cheshire
        Is there really not enough men in the four millionth Donbass, and we need mercenaries from Russia. I do not believe.

        When the news shows news bulletins from Donbass and healthy 30-40-year-old foreheads give interviews about how they hide from shelling, I think, why should the guys from Russia clean up the mess that these, if I may say so, "men" have made? Why are they hiding in basements? Why are they not with those who are fighting the junta? Maybe they don't care whose power. Maybe the main thing for them is to wait and not stick out. And let others clean up their porridge.
        1. 015
          015 9 June 2015 08: 58
          +4
          Unfortunately, this is the mentality of the “new Ukraine!” It (Ukraine) was created artificially by Lenin and Stalin, it was not created by normal historical events ... that's the result of this conglomerate, we have!
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        3. Aleksander
          Aleksander 9 June 2015 10: 21
          +1
          Quote: Kombitor
          Why are they not with those who are fighting the junta?


          What, excuse me, is another "junta" ?! There are the President and Rada, the President and the Rada, officially recognized by Russia as Ruins, huge supplies to Ruin with wild discounts of gas, oil, coal, electricity, financial resources, etc. There are dozens of statements by Putin and Lavrov about "Ebina Ukraine" and that "the Republics themselves want to remain part of Ruina" ... That's all there is.
          Or believe cunning winks and see if Lavrov crossed his fingers, declaring Edina?
          1. nov_tech.vrn
            nov_tech.vrn 9 June 2015 16: 16
            +1
            there is no officially recognized Russian Federation, the president of the outskirts, there is not a single document, only speculation
        4. revnagan
          revnagan 9 June 2015 11: 04
          +1
          Quote: Kombitor
          Why are they hiding in the basement? Why are they not with those who are fighting the junta?

          Or maybe it's just not so much needed now? After all, if everything is so serious, then what prevents mobilization? But so far none of the leaders of the LPNR has announced that Kiev will necessarily be cleared of the Bandera power by the LPNR forces. This was said by Motorola, Mozgovoy, and other commanders of the formations, but neither Zakharchenko nor their ilk. And if you are not going to go to Kiev, such an army has been drawn? Feed, shoes, maintain, train, arm ... At whose expense is this banquet? ... , brothers, there is something wrong here. "This is well-well - not without reason ..."
          1. Erg
            Erg 10 June 2015 07: 33
            +1
            Quote: revnagan
            Quote: Kombitor
            Why are they hiding in the basement? Why are they not with those who are fighting the junta?

            Or maybe it just doesn’t need so much now? After all, if everything is so serious, what is stopping the mobilization? But so far none of the leaders of the LDNR has said that Kiev will be cleared of Bandera’s power by LDNR. other commanders of the formations, but neither Zakharchenko, nor others like them. And if you don’t intend to go to Kiev, is such an army drawn up? Feed, put on shoes, keep, train, arm ...
            and whose account is this banquet? ... No, brothers, there is something wrong here. "Well, it is not without reason ..."

            It was necessary from the very beginning not to recognize the Maidan and the junta. And don't go into any relationship with them. After all, he was legal, President. Having bowed under the enemy once, it is difficult to regain honor later. And in the Donbass (in Ukraine), my opinion, "there is a banal international cut. Economy, power, geopolitics.
      3. Altona
        Altona 9 June 2015 09: 05
        +1
        Quote: Cheshire
        And the main thesis, as I understand it, is that Russia is to blame for everything, that it did not give money?

        ------------------------
        There would have been people and money a year ago ... That's not the point ... There was no way to legally arrange this situation, in any case we would be called an "aggressor", as they now call "the occupiers of Crimea" ... In principle, it can go very far in its military claims and we are not insured against a full-scale war neither then nor now, the West is playing with a finger on the trigger ... I, too, was for the introduction of troops and the seizure of strategic objects in Ukraine in order to present the West with a "new reality" , but then, of course, the question of how to present this ... And the Western information and military machine came to its senses pretty quickly and in May the Armed Forces of Ukraine received a full-fledged order "to take Donbass", which they are still trying to fulfill ...
        PS And the situation with the loyalty of the population was also, to put it mildly, not ice, the "patriotic" Ukrainian frenzy went off scale ... And getting a war like the Iraqi or Afghan in the country is 3 times more in population and huge in area, you understand that ...
        1. varov14
          varov14 9 June 2015 10: 31
          +2
          All this is true, but there was no need to provoke certain groups of the population into the hope of help from Russia. And then the guarantor was given a guarantee to send troops to Ukraine, Why? It turns out that we have an imperfect, saying "A" will never say "B", since "B" will surely enter into a conflict of interest with "C", etc.
        2. Corcap
          Corcap 9 June 2015 12: 33
          0
          Quote: Altona
          There was no way to legally surround this situation, in any case we would be called an "aggressor", as they now call "the occupiers of Crimea."

          Stop, stop ... stop ! Is it only the "invaders of the Crimea"?

          "Russia is the aggressor!", "The Russian military has invaded Ukraine", does it mean anything to you?
          Or have you already got used to it?

          "At least call it a pot, just don't put it in the oven"?
      4. revnagan
        revnagan 9 June 2015 10: 26
        +3
        Quote: Cheshire
        And the main thesis, as I understand it, is that Russia is to blame for everything, that it did not give money?

        You understood in a favorable direction for yourself and immediately offended. Conveniently, like a man, yes. Russia did not "give money." You won’t shoot money. But! Who will supply the militia? Sami, everything yourself, right? And WHERE TO TAKE? And after all no one pulled the tongue when it was loudly said "... and let them try ..." People were encouraged, and ...? In the war there are opposing sides and their centers. Do the Galitsaevs-Kiev, controlled from behind a puddle, and the militia? Kiev has no army, resources, etc., etc., and where does the LDNR come from all this? To repulse the enemy? tell me how the guerrillas of the Second World War fought with captured weapons, yeah. And I'll tell you that until the headquarters of the partisan movement was organized, until hundreds of thousands of tons of military supplies went to the partisans on "Douglas", there was no guerrilla war. become a supply center for the LPNR, otherwise they will be shut. Otherwise, they will not defeat the junta. And who do you see as this center? Donetsk and Lugansk ohm? Minsk? Astana?
        1. BecmepH
          BecmepH 9 June 2015 11: 34
          +2
          and who will supply the pro-Russian militia?
          Oh my God, what are you naive (or narrow-minded?), Dear ... In reports from Ukraine, equipment periodically flashes. They have new KAMAZES there ... We have the same in storage ... Does it not suggest any thoughts? Those who serve (or have served, but have not lost contact with the Armed Forces) know a little more than the layman (read "civilian"). Do not whine, Russia has not abandoned Donbass. Wars are won not only with a saber and a revolver ...
        2. Cheshire
          Cheshire 9 June 2015 19: 14
          +1
          Alexei, I was not immediately offended. I was taken out of my balance by an attempt to present the case in such a way that IF RUSSIANS WERE NOT STORING, THEN PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY BEEN PEACE IN DONBASS.
          Remember, if you saved your little one for a beer, then you too are to blame for the fact that people are dying there now. Because you are a gray, soulless mass that deserves nothing more, how to clean the boots of your overlords and snarl when you raise the price of a communal apartment.

          I don’t feel sorry for money ABSOLUTELY. ”I feel sorry for the lives of people who are dying because of geopolitics.
          I was also furious with the overt reluctance of a person to do something with his own hands, one to one like the Ukrainians:
          Tell me where to get the money? The country has 143.000.000 people. Each is reset to 1000 rubles. For the poor and the neighbor additionally (then we will ask the neighbor). Total: with whom the thing, with whom the chervonets. Strelkova at the end of May 140 billion rubles. These are 1400 tanks! Not so much. 20-30 T-80 is enough, manned crews, mercenaries with a salary of 10 rubles per day, 40-50 BMP - this is the end of the war in a month, a maximum of two.

          It feels like the person has anticipated the question: Are you ready to go into action yourself? For me, "saving the inhabitants of Donbass" by mercenaries, when the mass of the local people are hiding in Russia, is tantamount to treason.
          Excuse me, emotionally, but I cannot do otherwise. hi
    4. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 9 June 2015 08: 21
      +13
      Author Alexey Alekseev, Kuev take say? it would be possible, if only the population of the outskirts, supported us by 80-85 percent (roughly speaking) BUT the trick is that there are much more people who hate there ... whom to "liberate"? stupid to "clean up" the territory to produce ??? it would have turned out not even Chechnya, but much worse ... a lot! article so-so ... cry from the heart, no more. not weighed, unreasonably ...
      1. BLACK-SHARK-64
        BLACK-SHARK-64 9 June 2015 08: 41
        +3
        An article for reflection, and thinking is a hobby of brains, and when brains become tense, brilliant ideas come ... One must think what to do next, but one cannot be mistaken .......... angry
      2. Combitor
        Combitor 9 June 2015 08: 59
        +10
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        ... who to "release"?

        That's the point ... Even refugees from Ukraine, having arrived in Russia, having received housing and work here, as well as cash benefits, still blame us Russians for all their troubles. By the way, their children are taken to kindergartens without a queue. And ours, local, do not even hope to arrange their children.
        1. Corcap
          Corcap 9 June 2015 09: 41
          +7
          Quote: Kombitor
          By the way, their children are taken to kindergartens without a queue. And ours, local, do not even hope to arrange their children.

          Speaking of queues ...
          Why don't you "run over" to your authorities, on which the availability of places in children's institutions depends?
          And not "project" your anger onto the refugees ...

          I faced the situation "Come in large numbers from Donbass" in Zaporozhye, when I was forced, wandering around the corners, to live there in order to save at least something from the half-year pension arrears.
          So in the queue under the bank, from time to time there were those who no, no, and even grumble, or shout: "Come in large numbers ... let Putin pay you ..."

          YES OK, THEY, U P O R O T S E, and with you, what happens ???

          It turns out that if I still had to leave the house and run away, I’m in Russia, I would also be an outcast for YOU?
          1. Foul skeptic
            Foul skeptic 9 June 2015 09: 58
            0
            Would turn out to be. Internationalism is a thing of the past. These are the sad pies. In general, at the present time there is a slight dissonance - many people warmly recall the Union, but at the same time they project nationalism (even with a chauvinistic bias). And this is not good at all.
          2. Combitor
            Combitor 9 June 2015 10: 42
            +12
            Quote: Corcap
            And not "project" your anger onto the refugees ...

            If you do not have the ability to comprehend what you read, then you probably will not be helped by anything. Since such abilities develop from childhood. It was about the fact that the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians blame us Russians for all their troubles. Even those who received help, having arrived as a refugee in Russia. They are often provided with what the locals have to wait in lines. We are not offended either by them or by our authorities. But instead of gratitude from many we hear only reproaches. So it is with the Donbass "men". While Russian guys are going to fight the junta in Novorossiya, leaving their families at home, local males are hiding in basements. Now it is clear. Or chew even more?
            PS Nobody has told refugees from Ukraine yet: "Come in large numbers here." You in Ukraine are ready to hang Russians on poles.
        2. Denbfrkas
          Denbfrkas 9 June 2015 09: 50
          +4
          Quote: Kombitor
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          ... who to "release"?

          That's the point ... Even refugees from Ukraine, having arrived in Russia, having received housing and work here, as well as cash benefits, still blame us Russians for all their troubles. By the way, their children are taken to kindergartens without a queue. And ours, local, do not even hope to arrange their children.

          And where such infa? That everyone blames I know many so right now they are in Russia and are grateful. They say that they help normally.
    5. Evgen4ik
      Evgen4ik 9 June 2015 08: 26
      +1
      The first question from the past: why did not the troops enter in April?

      It is easy to say something in the form of an assumption. Without complete information, conclusions cannot be drawn. I think there was intelligence about how the EU and the USA would react, we were weak (because we didn’t even have an NSPK at that time). There, too, are not fools. There are thinking people, because of the blunders in the foreign policy of the Russian Federation I have not made in recent years.

      In my opinion, a decision was made on the collapse of Ukraine as a state, after some period of time, otherwise we would not have returned Crimea. And having entered the troops, we will set against ourselves the whole of Ukraine, even those who are loyal to us. Imagine if Belarusians send troops to Smolensk. What kind of reaction will we have? Will we throw slogans and glorify Lukashenko or fight? So it is in Ukraine.
    6. dobryak19
      dobryak19 9 June 2015 08: 50
      +4
      So I have the following thoughts: why did the Donetsk and Luhansk men hide in Russia, and the Russian men should die in the Donbass? I saw a lot of such "refugees". My opinion is why Donbass was not annexed like Crimea: according to Donetsk residents themselves, the mood is: 60% for joining Russia, 40% against. in the Crimea it was somehow different. so they would have got partisans in the rear ...
      1. Denbfrkas
        Denbfrkas 9 June 2015 09: 57
        +1
        Quote: dobryak19
        So I have the following thoughts: why did the Donetsk and Luhansk men hide in Russia, and the Russian men should die in the Donbass? I saw a lot of such "refugees". My opinion is why Donbass was not annexed like Crimea: according to Donetsk residents themselves, the mood is: 60% for joining Russia, 40% against. in the Crimea it was somehow different. so they would have got partisans in the rear ...

        According to which Donetsk people? What kind of data is such from the ceiling, here I will believe 80 percent for this, since I myself am from the Donbass.
        1. dobryak19
          dobryak19 9 June 2015 13: 06
          0
          Dear, I have been living with a family from the Donbass for a year now and I will learn the news first-hand
          1. Denbfrkas
            Denbfrkas 9 June 2015 13: 19
            +2
            Quote: dobryak19
            Dear, I have been living with a family from the Donbass for a year now and I will learn the news first-hand

            I am very much respected in the Donbas for 35 years and I’m not judging for the first time and judging not by the last hand, but by my own.
            1. dobryak19
              dobryak19 9 June 2015 13: 31
              +3
              Well, you, even a 35 year old, are not the whole of the Donbass, unfortunately. here I have classmates studying at a military school from the Donbass: half are fighting for the Armed Forces, part for the Armed Forces, and part in Russia is hiding. What is that? One even, a resident of Yasinovataya, has already received Russian citizenship, but went to fight in the Aidar, but lives in Moscow and sincerely believes that Russia is the enemy .. How can I explain this? And you say that all Donbass residents for joining Russia, unfortunately, this is far from true ....
          2. Denbfrkas
            Denbfrkas 9 June 2015 13: 25
            +1
            Quote: dobryak19
            Dear, I have been living with a family from the Donbass for a year now and I will learn the news first-hand

            here's another memory to refresh Likely all the same we were somewhere a little kicked.
            1. Denbfrkas
              Denbfrkas 9 June 2015 13: 31
              +2
              They wanted 80 percent to Russia, and not to the LPR and DPR.
              1. dobryak19
                dobryak19 9 June 2015 13: 34
                +1
                such a question was not even raised in a referendum ... unfortunately ...
                1. Corcap
                  Corcap 9 June 2015 14: 59
                  +2
                  Quote: dobryak19
                  such a question was not even raised in a referendum ... unfortunately ...


                  "On request" ...
                  1. dobryak19
                    dobryak19 9 June 2015 15: 47
                    +1
                    tearing now the Donbass from Ukraine is to lose Ukraine forever. having a Donbass in Ukraine, you can influence Ukraine, including even the constitution of this country. geopolitics however ....
      2. Denbfrkas
        Denbfrkas 9 June 2015 10: 11
        +3
        There are no partisans in the rear without a center. Read about the preparation of the NKVD guerrilla movement before the war.
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    8. APES
      APES 9 June 2015 09: 30
      +7
      Better shout “Long live Chubais” than “Long live Rothschild”


      It is the same.

      the article does not directly say, but it feels:

      the main problem: the oligarchic-capitalist world order of Russia is incompatible with a true, full-fledged and sincere association of citizens (patriots of Russia) in a "united impulse."

      a lie is felt ....

      and Strelkova is afraid of the fact that he does not know how to lie and will not make any compromises with evil.
      1. Penetrator
        Penetrator 9 June 2015 11: 20
        +3
        His huckster, whatever his own, is still his own, then you can negotiate with him

        Chubais can be negotiated only by the methods of Colonel Kvachkov.
    9. Vend
      Vend 9 June 2015 10: 12
      +5
      Quote: Rigla
      It was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines ... Perhaps I will refrain from the minuses / pluses.

      Muddy article. This is immediately alarming.
      My dad is from Dnepropetrovsk, from Zaporizhzhya Cossacks, my mother is from the Kuban Cossacks, my great-grandfather is an Russified Chechen, and my great-grandmother is from the Little Believers who fled from the Tsar to the Caucasus. I myself live on Lake Baikal next to the Buryats.
      How to put the marker "I am mine".
      Then it is alarming
      we must continue to shout for Putin, this is better than for Obama. What do you think? I think that it’s an order of magnitude better, I would even say that there are no other options, and it’s pointless to discuss them.

      This is also alarming.
      Recently I talked with one deputy. I asked him how much money he sent to the Donbass. He tells me that since Putin got in there, let Putin fight. Such are they, the chosen ones of the people. Not all, of course, but there is.

      So immediately once and for all under one comb, and then about, by the way, there are others. But an indication has already been made, all of these.
      And the last
      What do you think, a dozen such machines in Strelkov’s June in Slavyansk could solve the issue not of defense, but of an attack on Dnepropetrovsk or Kharkov? And if you add to this a motorized rifle regiment of a thousand people? June is the month of last year. 20 T-80 tanks are divided into two columns of ten vehicles, with the support of motorized infantry begin to move to Kharkov and Zaporozhye. The detachments of the formed partisans near Kharkov, in Zaporozhye and the resistance in Odessa with joint efforts liberate the entire southeast. They go to the borders of the Transnistrian republic, throw all the evil spirits out beyond the Dnieper.

      This is war. Open financing and supply of the militia. The author does not even remember how it all began. Let me remind you, it all started with the requirement in Donetsk and Lugansk to preserve the Russian language and federalization. Not a single question about separation. And also it is worth the author to remember who fought in the ranks of the militia from the very beginning.
    10. aleks 62
      aleks 62 9 June 2015 10: 50
      +2
      ..... A man is boiling .... But in something he is right ... what
      1. MIKHALYCH1
        MIKHALYCH1 9 June 2015 11: 25
        +1
        Quote: aleks 62
        ..... A man is boiling .... But in something he is right ... what

        I agree with you .. This was a cry from the heart! But alas, not everything is so simple .. I think we’ll break through, too strong forces are opposing us .. And Ukraine is a pawn that made a check to the king .. Russia made a lock and went so far into deep defense in order to concentrate for a retaliatory strike .. And let the pawn worth it for now! We always have time to cut down ... hi
        1. Foul skeptic
          Foul skeptic 9 June 2015 11: 43
          +2
          Not a chess player, Comrade Marshal)))

          I hope you will not hold grudges against this message.
  2. Decathlon
    Decathlon 9 June 2015 07: 39
    +1
    "20-30 T-80 is enough"
    And if not enough ?! Will we fold again ?! How simple it really is! And a huge number of politicians, political scientists and experts are racking their brains: "How to resolve the Ukrainian crisis?" I understand that the article was driven by emotions, I did not either minus or add ...
    1. Fokker dr I
      Fokker dr I 9 June 2015 08: 02
      +4
      Quote: Decathlon
      I understand that the article on emotions did not begin to minus or plus ...

      I support. The author’s indifference, of course, does him honor, but his calculations, to put it mildly, are not wealthy.
    2. EvgNik
      EvgNik 9 June 2015 08: 13
      +8
      I do not believe in all these funds, fundraising. Gather, sawn and put in your pocket. How many times have we been burned on this.
      1. Fokker dr I
        Fokker dr I 9 June 2015 08: 25
        +1
        Quote: EvgNik
        I do not believe in all these funds, fundraising.

        So do I. This is probably normal for a person living in a country of kickbacks and sticky bureaucratic fingers. But, worse, I do not believe in civic initiatives either.
      2. Denbfrkas
        Denbfrkas 9 June 2015 10: 09
        0
        Quote: EvgNik
        I do not believe in all these funds, fundraising. Gather, sawn and put in your pocket. How many times have we been burned on this.

        And you are doing the right thing. This whole volunteer movement is called "raise the bob guys". As they say, I quit my job and became a volunteer, I couldn't stand aside.
    3. BecmepH
      BecmepH 9 June 2015 08: 21
      +4
      I understand that the article is on emotions,
      And what emotions? The author sits on Lake Baikal, and calls us to fight. This is a provocation, a zombie. Noticed, recently appeared a lot of articles of this kind? If they were campaigning us from the territory of New Russia ...
    4. Altona
      Altona 9 June 2015 09: 12
      -3
      Quote: Decathlon
      "20-30 T-80 is enough"
      And if not enough ?! Will we fold again ?! How simple it really is! And a huge number of politicians, political scientists and experts are racking their brains: "How to resolve the Ukrainian crisis?" I understand that the article was driven by emotions, I did not either minus or add ...

      ------------------------
      The columns of the Armed Forces of Ukraine could be defeated on the march by tactical missiles from our territory than by letting them deploy in positions and then launch stupid attacks with tanks and battalions ...
      1. Penetrator
        Penetrator 9 June 2015 11: 26
        +1
        Yeah, tactical with a nuclear warhead. To be guaranteed! Are you out of your mind? How would this "compulsion to peace" look in the eyes of those same Ukrainians, not to mention the various democratic foreigners there? Unmotivated aggression - that's how you would rate it.
        1. Altona
          Altona 9 June 2015 14: 53
          0
          Quote: Penetrator
          Yeah, tactical with a nuclear warhead. To be guaranteed! Are you out of your mind? How would this "compulsion to peace" look in the eyes of those same Ukrainians, not to mention the various democratic foreigners there? Unmotivated aggression - that's how you would rate it.

          --------------------------
          I wrote about this before? Or are you reading locally? And "give-and-take" tanks and other weapons, how would you rate it? By the way, there are also tank shells with a nuclear head ... Why don't you evaluate this?
      2. Pissarro
        Pissarro 9 June 2015 19: 11
        0
        comrade, tactical missiles are designed to hit stationary targets, if you really want to disorder the supply, you have to hit the warehouses, not the columns
    5. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 June 2015 09: 41
      +5
      20 30 T 80 tanks vryatli what would they help there is an artillery war and these tanks would be destroyed for several days, and at the expense of help - we help as much as we help.
      1. Corcap
        Corcap 9 June 2015 11: 12
        +4
        Quote: Vadim237
        and at the expense of help - we help as we help.

        I see help from the window. Today, for example, one and a half dozen 1 and 2 infantry fighting vehicles passed towards Donetsk ...

        But in ANY case, the ECONOMIC PRESSURE on the junta, and not RETURNING as it is now, would be INCORPORABLE EXISTING other weapons ...
      2. Pissarro
        Pissarro 9 June 2015 19: 15
        0
        from a military point of view, it’s nonsense to introduce a dozen tanks into millions of cities, teeming with right-wingers with Molotov cocktails and private security structures of the oligarchs, moreover, with an uncertain position of the regular army, albeit wretched, this is about last year’s spring.
    6. Victorio
      Victorio 9 June 2015 10: 04
      +2
      Quote: Decathlon
      "20-30 T-80 is enough"
      And if not enough ?! Will we fold again ?! How simple it really is! And a huge number of politicians, political scientists and experts are racking their brains: "How to resolve the Ukrainian crisis?" I understand that the article was driven by emotions, I did not either minus or add ...

      ====
      as an option to get to Kharkov, there was support from the population, and Kharkiv had significant resources
    7. Corcap
      Corcap 9 June 2015 10: 41
      0
      Quote: Decathlon
      And if not enough ?! Will we fold again ?!

      Ukraine, with a sniffed economy, manages to put into operation 64s and 72s from the trash, at the very least, and the Russian Federation, "will overstrain" by putting into operation "n-number" of the same?

      "ARMATA", after all, nobody asks you ...
    8. varov14
      varov14 9 June 2015 10: 41
      +3
      And how will you regulate it, if, for example, “we” threaten with one hand with a fist, while the other shove money and it is not clear which hand is bigger.
  3. BARKAS
    BARKAS 9 June 2015 07: 39
    +8
    Tell me where to get the money? The country has 143.000.000 people. Each is reset to 1000 rubles.

    Then just take and buy all the military equipment from the Ukrainians!
    1. andj61
      andj61 9 June 2015 08: 21
      +3
      Quote: BARKAS
      Tell me where to get the money? The country has 143.000.000 people. Each is reset to 1000 rubles.

      Then just take and buy all the military equipment from the Ukrainians!

      That's it ... This is even more real than the author suggests.
      Total: with whom the thing, with whom the chervonets. Strelkova at the end of May 140 billion rubles. These are 1400 tanks! Not so much. 20-30 T-80 is enough, manned crews, mercenaries with a salary of 10 rubles per day, 000-40 infantry fighting vehicles - this is the end of the war in a month, a maximum of two.

      By the end of August last year, the militia had more equipment. And to count how much equipment from THAT side, the author is weak? And Strelkov simply had no people to attack in May, and in my deep conviction it was impossible to get by with mercenaries, patriots were needed here, and they stood up to defend their land later. And the fact that there are still a lot of nuances and nuances, both geopolitical and economic, is also unknown to the author. However, "There are many things in the world, friend Horatio, that our wise men never dreamed of."
      Although the article is positive, I thought - and still did it.
    2. Minstrel
      Minstrel 9 June 2015 09: 04
      +2
      Quote: BARKAS
      Then just take and buy all the military equipment from the Ukrainians!

      Let’s already then redeem Ukraine itself from them. And it’s a pity - such a land, but under such evil spirits.
  4. vonWolfenstein
    vonWolfenstein 9 June 2015 07: 41
    +4
    The author +, of course, will criticize the "geopolitics" of the site, but from his position he is right. It was necessary to forge the iron in the spring and summer of last year.
    1. Pissarro
      Pissarro 9 June 2015 19: 17
      0
      Nobody wanted to take responsibility for the maintenance of the Ruins, and this dubious prize last spring would go to the winner guaranteed
  5. Lyton
    Lyton 9 June 2015 07: 44
    +6
    Whoever thought it necessary was discarded, and God was the judge to the rest.
  6. fomkin
    fomkin 9 June 2015 07: 45
    +1
    The enemy reached Donbass, because two regions with an ambiguous population would not be able to confront the country, where the population is mostly Russophobic. And the humanitarian convoys of Russia, this aid is rather symbolic of type for PR and rating. It is short, here I do not consider why so, and not otherwise. But this, too, is not difficult to understand, including with Strelkov and others.
  7. Babr
    Babr 9 June 2015 07: 45
    +7
    Better shout “Long live Chubais” than “Long live Rothschild”
    Author Alexey Alekseev

    And yours and our misunderstanding lies just here.
    It is one and the same creature.
    Understand this and everything will fall into place. hi
  8. V.ic
    V.ic 9 June 2015 07: 48
    +14
    Better to shout "Long live Chubais" than "Long live Rothschild." His huckster, whatever his own, is still his own, then you can agree with him later. It is impossible with Rothschild - he speaks a different language.

    Chubais on Coke is better than Rothschild in the loop!
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 9 June 2015 08: 17
      +3
      Quote: V.ic
      Chubais on Coke is better than Rothschild in the loop!

      Both are much better, plus a few dozen more surnames at the wall.
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 9 June 2015 07: 51
    +5
    Here is a Makhnovist! They already take envy. Simple as that. The Russian people threw off a thousand dollars, bought "twelve" tanks, helicopters for fire support, artillery, all kinds of carts, and Kiev went to fight. But not enough, even on ... And so it started. But dashing! Plus I put it, I love anarchists.
  10. Tartary
    Tartary 9 June 2015 07: 52
    +4
    Probably, it was not necessary to send money, but simply to go and fight, it’s kind of impossible to hide behind young children, but on the other hand, who will feed? Again, over time, a lot of doubts creep in on whether to go?

    Is it really that many burned out or about to burn out?
    Are you tired of Ukraine irrevocably, or is it still the change in the fact that the cry for mobilization awaits most such as me?

    One thing is clear - whoever is ready is waiting for the Motherland in the person of the Supreme to announce to the masses who want to protect it, that the military enlistment offices draw up lists and give out weapons and uniforms ... form companies, regiments, divisions.
  11. Barakuda
    Barakuda 9 June 2015 07: 53
    +6
    Such an international alloy.

    Surprised wink My grandmother came to Siberia from Belarus, Grandfather from Solovkov, Another from St. Petersburg, my father was born in Vladikavkaz, I am in Tyumen, and I pull the strap in Khokhlostan.
  12. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 9 June 2015 07: 55
    +12
    A person has his own opinion. I strongly disagree with one: "Your own huckster, whatever it is, is still your own, you can negotiate with him later. " you will not agree with these hucksters!
  13. not Russian
    not Russian 9 June 2015 07: 59
    +2
    Yes, for the money and do not need to fight. You can just take and buy Poroshenko himself together with the government. Will be sold and how
  14. saag
    saag 9 June 2015 08: 01
    +5
    The author is not an official for an hour? And then I drank unaccounted for money such a nice thing :-)
  15. RiverVV
    RiverVV 9 June 2015 08: 02
    +12
    The author asks ridiculous begging. No really. In 2014, a referendum was held in the Donbass. Remember what question stood on it? It was only one: Do you support the act of state independence of the Donetsk People's Republic? People supported this act. The republic has become independent. Why did Russia have to send troops into a sovereign state? And after that, the author is unhappy that the GDP asked to postpone the referendum ...

    And how, curiously, how a dozen T-80s could provide an offensive? "What do you think about that ..." I think that advancing with twenty tanks and one motorized rifle regiment is a completely delusional idea. Even if it is stupid to try to break through with these forces to Kiev - this is a gamble. A million-plus city is not taken by one regiment.

    In general, in the morning again, nonsense was posted under the guise of analysts.
    1. Fokker dr I
      Fokker dr I 9 June 2015 08: 07
      +4
      Quote: RiverVV
      In general, in the morning again, nonsense was posted under the guise of analysts.

      the author does not pretend to be analytics, I think) Such articles should not be taken seriously. The title itself is absurd.
    2. KGB WATCH YOU
      KGB WATCH YOU 9 June 2015 08: 54
      +6
      Hello, Zina, I'm going from the store! Who asked to change the question in a referendum? Aren't Kremlin Sixes? In general, NOBODY remembers and does not remember what should have passed 2 referenda: On state sovereignty (passed, everything went as it should) and the referendum on accession to Russia. Where is the 2nd referendum? That's right: they scored a bolt on him. Now, many citizens of Russia are crowing that the Donbass is not Crimea, there are all the hutskrains and so on. What should the inhabitants of the DPR and LPR fight? For the close Kremlin oligarchs Timchenko and others? You see, sanctions are being hit against them, so we won’t send troops. Strelkov had dozens of people with machine guns when he entered, left Slavyansk with 2000 bayonets but WITHOUT heavy armored vehicles. When did Voentorg work? When Strelkov, the leader of the rebel movement, was removed. Now they think what to do with these LDNRs. Ukraine, they are unnecessary nafig, so there are enough problems. Russia, save the sanctions They just go to Minsk for show,.
      1. Foul skeptic
        Foul skeptic 9 June 2015 09: 39
        +2
        Thank God that there are people with memory. Yes, there should have been 2 referenda. WEEKLY difference. Plus for your memory and brains.
      2. RiverVV
        RiverVV 9 June 2015 09: 51
        +3
        So who scored the fight in the second referendum? Russia or what? I understand your point of view: we must join Russia and let it blow off. Thank God that in the Donbass people are still quite militant and quite capable of solving the Ukrainian problem on their own.
        1. Foul skeptic
          Foul skeptic 9 June 2015 10: 07
          +2
          You are very naive. If you argue this way, then just like the people of Donbass SAMI themselves bolted a referendum, then people on the Independence Square were buzzing without an external organization. Mismatch, really.

          And, unfortunately for themselves and Ukraine, the people in the Donbass will not solve the problems of Ukraine. There, people generally do not understand much.
          1. RiverVV
            RiverVV 9 June 2015 11: 20
            +1
            You are nothing but a crest. It is not about the people of Donbass, but that Russia is not obliged to invade an independent state.

            But the Ukrainian problem is actually solved in an elementary way. Her current politicians came to power as a result of a military coup. In fact, Poroshenko’s legitimacy is a big question. Therefore, Donbass should have long declared itself the successor of Ukraine and act from that position.
            1. Foul skeptic
              Foul skeptic 9 June 2015 11: 35
              +2
              A defining phrase, a symbolic phrase, a key phrase in your message - "This is not about the people of Donbass." Naturally, they were never discussed. People are always and everywhere - dust on the road. This is how the world works. It was about the interests of the country. Our. Did we use other people in another country for this ..? I believe so. Churchill has a good statement on this score, memory does not tell exactly, maybe someone will remember here.

              Forgive me, but for me there is no "khokhol" or "m-o-s-k-a-l-ya" as words to define nationality, there is "Ukrainian" and "Russian". I was born in the USSR, it is a pity that I will not die in it. And if you need a nationality to assess me, then I am Armenian. Does it change anything?

              I will not even comment on the "elementary" solution.
              1. RiverVV
                RiverVV 9 June 2015 16: 53
                0
                Actually, the fact that a person is Armenian does not mean that he is not a crest. Russians live in Russia, Armenians live in Armenia, and a crest lives everywhere and everywhere.

                But this is so, by the way. You better explain why you planted such a pig in Odessa? Sahak is an Armenian name. Saakashvili ... Well, an analogue of such a Georgian surname in Russian would be: Petrenko. Here, by the way, is a good example of Ukrainians.
                1. Foul skeptic
                  Foul skeptic 9 June 2015 17: 54
                  0
                  I do not know how to comment on a message with such meaningless content.
        2. KGB WATCH YOU
          KGB WATCH YOU 9 June 2015 11: 04
          -3
          That is, the Kremlin Six first sabotage a single referendum, then they propose 2 separate referendums, and then, under various pretexts, they jump off the referendum on accession. Naturally, not the Russian leadership sabotaged the referendum, the residents of the Donbass-hatskrayniki are to blame.
          1. RiverVV
            RiverVV 9 June 2015 11: 22
            +1
            Hello Zina! Now it turns out that Russia should have held referendums in the Donbas.
            Go already, download.
            1. KGB WATCH YOU
              KGB WATCH YOU 9 June 2015 11: 39
              -3
              Naturally Russia. Because Russia was holding a referendum in Crimea, because Russian special forces blocked the Ukrainian units, just as Putin lied that our troops were not there, this is all the "militia" on the Tigers and the BTR-82A.
              1. RiverVV
                RiverVV 9 June 2015 13: 53
                -1
                Not yet jumped? Answer me a simple question, Svidomo. What does Putin have to do with it?
                1. KGB WATCH YOU
                  KGB WATCH YOU 9 June 2015 14: 35
                  -3
                  I did not blame Putin for anything; I brought a fact. Go further to the lick to this ram, which makes promises and does not fulfill them. Pontorez, thought to chat and forget. But in the West what image will be. Yes, the West turned out to be more powerful))) Donbass residents also pecked at the wiring. But he’s not to blame, he just wanted to look like a macho man, but in the end - ...
                  1. RiverVV
                    RiverVV 9 June 2015 16: 47
                    +2
                    Download, Svidomo, download. Fascists in Ukraine did not have long to live. Until then - so be it: post your nonsense. In fact, the opinion of Ukrainians is ankle-deep here, so there is no harm from you.
      3. Corcap
        Corcap 9 June 2015 11: 28
        +1
        Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
        Ukraine, they are unnecessary nafig, so there are enough problems. Russia too, save the sanctions They just go to Minsk for show,.

        With a "correction". Ukraine does not need PEOPLE inhabiting the DPR-LPR ... As for the territory, and even if it is shabby, but the economy, I WANTED - O-GO-GO ...
        At least the same shale gas that Russia “seems to forget”. But in vain ...
        In the event that US corporations gain access to the fields, and they get it, if a "discharge" in one form or another occurs, Russia may "find itself out of business" with gas supplies to Western Europe. With all that it implies ...

        "Turkish Stream" will you say? Well, yes, well, yes ... If (IF!) The staff members manage to FORCE Russia to "drain", then the Turks, "process", for them, like two fingers ...

        So consider, even discarding the "Russian world", what this threatens for the Russian Federation ...
        1. KGB WATCH YOU
          KGB WATCH YOU 9 June 2015 11: 40
          +1
          I agree with the amendment, the territory is needed, but without the population.
    3. Naum
      Naum 9 June 2015 09: 28
      +1
      Quote: RiverVV
      advance with twenty tanks and one motorized rifle regiment

      I remember how the city of Grozny was once taken with approximately such "forces" ... It's easy to be an adventurer, especially when others will pay for your foolishness with their lives! I am convinced that while the brains of the "Ukrainian people" have been turned inside out, at least to win the hearts and minds of Ukrainians, whom the "partners" have successfully turned into Russophobes.
    4. Pissarro
      Pissarro 9 June 2015 19: 21
      +1
      Another thing is more interesting, let's say these ten tanks freely entered Kiev. Then what?
  16. MIKHALYCH1
    MIKHALYCH1 9 June 2015 08: 04
    +17
    That's probably right now in Ukraine ... The devils have settled in Kiev ..
    1. Pissarro
      Pissarro 9 June 2015 19: 26
      +3
      The verse is worth it to be given in full, beautiful

      At the ravaged threshold
      There is a thoughtful crest ...
      In Ukraine there is no God
      God went to the militia ... ..
      He was sought in every platoon,
      In the steppe, in the ruins, in the forest,
      But most often he finds him,
      Arrester APU,
      In old women, children and soldiers
      Demonstratively, on display,
      He was not mistaken in the coordinates,
      The Lord lives in any of us.
      And before God, all are one,
      And with a Kalashmat on armor,
      The Lord goes to Ukraine
      In a dehydrated country.
      2015
  17. Stinger
    Stinger 9 June 2015 08: 06
    +8
    I would put the question differently. Why did the miners hide in the mines rather than go to the militia? The answer to this question is the answer to the author’s question.
    1. Fokker dr I
      Fokker dr I 9 June 2015 08: 21
      +5
      Quote: Stinger
      Why did the miners hide in the mines rather than go to the militia?

      because the division of labor: someone is fighting, someone is working. Life goes on.
      1. vlad73
        vlad73 9 June 2015 08: 58
        0
        What the nafig division of labor? To remind you how at the beginning of the ATO these same "miners" publicly beat themselves in the chest (on all channels in the news showed) that if Kiev does not withdraw the troops, then they all as one will march to Kiev! deadline .... Well, how did it end? They made a noise, were blown away, and no campaign! They hid or fled ...
        1. Fokker dr I
          Fokker dr I 9 June 2015 09: 07
          0
          Quote: vlad73
          Noisy, blown away, and no hike! Hid or scattered ....

          And you, sorry, who is that to condemn someone? Go, tell the miners that, and then come back to heal the fractures.
          1. vlad73
            vlad73 9 June 2015 09: 38
            +2
            And I, sorry, do not condemn, but remind the public statements of those very miners. If you know how to read, re-read it again! However, judging by your mentoring tone and claims to "unquestionable authority", it is useless to talk to you. What and how should I do, and where to go, I hope I can do without your "most valuable" instructions. All the best! hi
            1. Fokker dr I
              Fokker dr I 9 June 2015 09: 46
              +3
              Quote: vlad73
              . What and how should I do, and where to go, I hope I can do without your "most valuable" instructions

              sorry if you made tactlessness.
              Goodbye.
  18. Rune
    Rune 9 June 2015 08: 11
    +9
    In some ways, the author is right, but still .... Donbass made the choice independently, our volunteers go there to help defend the choice. Only I have a very painful and sensitive question. There are a lot of healthy, strong men in Donbass. Where are they? Where are those who, having made a choice, did not move their limbs in order to defend their choice with a weapon in their hands (may the few worthy forgive me). At home they sit on sofas, reason, but with women's skirts they wipe the snot. Volunteers from Russia (albeit for money) defend their choice. I have seen such "couch generals", I am sick of them. Baba said to stay at home and sit, and what if they kill? Hari is eaten, the belly cannot be grasped, but the sufferers are making no words of themselves. Yes, and in Russia I saw such parasites-refugees. And everything is not so for them, then we have less fat, then the land is not loose, wages are low, prices are high, and there are no "great martyrs" "prestigious" jobs for them ..... They "drain" themselves, they don't care under whom to be, the main thing is that the grub is fatter, and there is less work ... am am am
    1. KGB WATCH YOU
      KGB WATCH YOU 9 June 2015 08: 57
      +1
      Everyone who is ready to fight is at war. Can you explain to me why they should fight at all? In the spring of 2014, the goal was New Russia from Kharkov to Odessa. And now? For a federalized Ukraine? They do not want to Ukraine, they want to Russia. But Russia sends them, go follow the Minsk agreement. You didn’t notice that Russia doesn’t demand anything from Ukraine at all, just pick up LDNR faster, otherwise Timchenko’s and Vekselberg’s sanctions are not living well.
      1. Rune
        Rune 9 June 2015 09: 26
        0
        About Wishlist. This is their wishlist, and they did not ask Russia whether Russia wants to see the Donbass in its composition. It has been said more than once that Russia will not be able to include them legally.
        I look from your comments so that you are worried about life under the yoke of sanctions by Timchenko and Vekselbergs? Probably it’s hard for them, since you mention them so often, and I don’t give a damn about these sanctions. Frightened the hedgehog naked laughing .
        1. Foul skeptic
          Foul skeptic 9 June 2015 09: 47
          +3
          Listen, sweetheart. Theirs "Wishlist" did not arise from scratch. On the ground, specific campaigning was carried out by non-local campaigners. How then do many in Russia differ from many in Ukraine? The latter do not want to admit to themselves and those around them that they turned out to be suckers with the Maidan and threatened the country, while the former do not want to admit that Donbass is just a tool for Russia. And the volunteers go there not at all out of awareness of fraternal help or protection of the "Russian world" - you can convince yourself of anything.
        2. KGB WATCH YOU
          KGB WATCH YOU 9 June 2015 09: 51
          -1
          Their Wishlist arose from the wishlist of Crimeans and an interview with a ram who promised to protect people in the southeast, but merged. So here the fault is 50 to 50.
          1. skifd
            skifd 9 June 2015 21: 17
            0
            Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
            interview one ramwho promised to protect people in the southeast, but merged.


            I see here too continuous "one ram interview" , I don’t understand why he hasn’t "butted" the walls of the Kremlin or the tanks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Donbass.
  19. forester
    forester 9 June 2015 08: 22
    +5
    How can a whole nation and country be freed if they themselves do not want to? Donbass and Kiev, Lugansk and Lviv are not one country at all, they are different planets, and only those who have taken up arms in order to protect their home should be helped. My family and I helped what New Russia could, although people are not rich, but I don’t intend to help with money in order to free and then feed this evil, hungry, hostile and lazy crowd (and this is half the population of present-day Ukraine). A lesson to teach the Nazis. The location of batteries, ammunition depots, headquarters is known, it is necessary to strangle by the point bombardments and missile and artillery salvos. There is no one to negotiate with. There was only one mistake, and the most important one was the recognition of the elections as legitimate, that’s why it all comes from. Porosenko is completely overwhelmed and allows this, to which even toy countries react. and we all endure. But Novorossia also protects us.
  20. tommy717
    tommy717 9 June 2015 08: 22
    +2
    I put a plus for the phrase that completely coincides with my and my family's mood: "... the past year since the conflict has frayed my nerves, on the other hand, everything began to somehow become dull." And thank you for your concern.
  21. valokordin
    valokordin 9 June 2015 08: 24
    +2
    in order to understand the cause of the massacre in Donbass, read Karl Marx and his "Das Capital", you can read V.I. Lenin's "State and Revolution", but do not read Russian newspapers and especially Ukrainian ones. The author of the article thinks in principle correctly. The fear of the Russian authorities to help Donbass is real, it is not a fear of Western sanctions, it is the opposition of our ruling oligarchs, who fear for their money. Ukrainian oligarchs are much dearer to ours than the proletariat and the people of Donbass. I'm afraid our admin will delete my comment as extremist.
  22. Gardamir
    Gardamir 9 June 2015 08: 29
    0
    I heard about the Old Believers, but who are the little believers?
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 9 June 2015 14: 43
      +1
      Quote: Gardamir
      I heard about the Old Believers, but who are the little believers?

      Apparently, those who believe, but not really.
  23. narval20
    narval20 9 June 2015 08: 31
    0
    Only emotions and not a bit of common sense.
    "Dumped" on tanks and infantry fighting vehicles? And the inscription on the tower: "To the brotherly Donbass from the inhabitants of the Russian city N" ... Nonsense, some kind of.
  24. MIKHALYCH1
    MIKHALYCH1 9 June 2015 08: 33
    +2
    Here's a video on the topic .. Strelkov says. The faint of heart is better not to watch. He's in his role, as always .. Although he is right!
  25. Petrik66
    Petrik66 9 June 2015 08: 35
    0
    Article = specific provocation. There are several points: 1. It is an honor to die for Russia, but not in this case, since now you are dying for Putin (the spokesman for the wishes of the oligarchs). The author - this is exactly what the Chechens told on their airs - they say guys, you are fighting for Chubais. Those who are fighting really know for themselves why and why they are fighting.
    2. 30 tanks - and to Kiev. They need somewhere to buy, prepare, provide., Bring and put crews there. What happened next? Nothing - they will burn it. And in the summer they would have burned it. 3. Mercenaries-and let the Ukrainians understand themselves, and not wait when Russia will reconcile them again, give money and again will remain a bad and greedy Raska.
    1. Raven
      Raven 9 June 2015 08: 45
      +3
      actually about tanks this is a relative comparison - so that people understand where and how much, that war is also money ... and you need to help with money - and so it turns out all the funds together well if 1 billion scraped together ..... and this is all we you...
  26. azbukin77
    azbukin77 9 June 2015 08: 36
    +3
    It’s a very primitive opinion, it’s not so simple as the author thinks. But, one correct thought skips — in April 2014 it was necessary to provide maximum material and technical assistance, to interest the miners and other beer lovers financially, but after that you could do some forecasts and conclusions. After all, I.I. Strelkov began the Novorossiya project with a platoon of volunteers armed with hunting rifles !!!
  27. Violamuza
    Violamuza 9 June 2015 08: 38
    -2
    By good intentions, the path to hell has been strewn.
  28. 97110
    97110 9 June 2015 08: 38
    +5
    Stalin also made a mistake, which cost the country much more. Not just anymore, but at times. And Kiev was recaptured only three years later, and millions were killed.
    Where is the mistake? What fought in the coalition of the most powerful states in the world? This, in your opinion, is not a merit, it goes without saying. And a year before the Second World War, our allies were our enemies - in Finland. If everyone who paid with their lives for their unpreparedness, a good sleep and fear of the authorities — no matter how they punished for excessive combat readiness — still paid with their lives, then who prevents you from repeating mykitin’s lies, but thinking about it yourself? What, it’s so hard to agree that ALL leaders after Stalin only fumbled in his shadow. Therefore, they crap in his memory in order to be a little bit brighter themselves. Putin alone dared to do something (he just saved the country) - he will not rust you with a kind word ... For one, this is a minus.
  29. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 9 June 2015 08: 45
    +5
    If you believe the statements of our leaders about the peaceful path or accept the option that they just miscalculated, were scared, it turns out that they made a strategic mistake and now it's late, you have to play the role to the end. This makes it a little easier. You can blame Putin for this, you cannot betray him. Stalin also made a mistakewhich cost the country much more. Not just anymore, but at times.


    A thin world is better than a good fight.
    Neither Stalin nor Putin made any mistakes, they both in different historical situations tried to avoid war, and neither of them were omnipotent and omniscient miracle workers, but ordinary people.
    Military invasion of a sovereign state is, by all laws, aggression is a crime.
    The consequences would be the worst for both sides - a full-blown bloody war with millions of victims, and a victory would be only Pyrrhic.
    Who needs this, besides our mortal enemies in the West?
    1. saag
      saag 9 June 2015 19: 33
      0
      Quote: Corsair5912
      The consequences would be the worst for both sides - a full-blown bloody war with millions of victims, and a victory would be only Pyrrhic.

      The magic of large numbers or what? Where does the scale of the victims come from? The Ukrainian side, like the Wehrmacht in World War II, has the same number of tanks, aircraft, and trained troops? Maybe they have the same general staff?
  30. Raven
    Raven 9 June 2015 08: 49
    -2
    I think that no one has influenced Pu’s decision not to send troops like our own indifference - I repeat once again - all the charitable funds collected from the force for 1 billion rubles of help ... and then most likely half as much - and we are all 143 million people ...

    so Pu fears not that Ukrainians will rise, but that in the current conditions of hatskraynikov in Russia no less than in Ukraine

    and so my opinion is that let the Ukrainians understand themselves ... it is necessary - we will help our own people, as if everyone decides for himself - that is how civil society will form ...
  31. Wolka
    Wolka 9 June 2015 08: 50
    0
    so far, only the emotions of a simple layman, if only for the lack of information or the ability to analyze and correlate it with the real situation, however, discard this purely psychological fact (that’s what most citizens who are not interested in the fate of New Russia think) accounts, too, is impossible, because the article is a definite plus ...
  32. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 9 June 2015 08: 53
    +1
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    A person has his own opinion. I categorically disagree with one: "Your own huckster, whatever it is, is still your own, you can agree with him later." you can't come to an agreement with these hucksters!


    You can negotiate in different ways. You can press it to the nail and examine under a microscope. There are precedents.
  33. dobryak19
    dobryak19 9 June 2015 08: 57
    +1
    let’s ponder the figures too: about 7 million people live in the Donbas, half of the men, about 1 million people are capable of holding weapons, but about 30 thousand people actually fight, and half of them are volunteers. could that be the reason?
    1. Foul skeptic
      Foul skeptic 9 June 2015 09: 23
      0
      No, not that.
    2. kuz363
      kuz363 9 June 2015 09: 34
      +4
      And they don’t go to fight, because there is no goal of victory. In the Second World War everything was clear - to defeat Hitler. And now? Russia said that Donbass will not join. Donbass cannot exist independently without support. To fight to remain a part of Ukraine? So he is now in the composition.
  34. akudr48
    akudr48 9 June 2015 08: 57
    +4
    The author is right, did not feel better from this harsh truth, why the enemy is killing Russians in the Donbass.

    Given our rather muddled decision-making system, Putin's sky-high ratings for the masses play the role of vents, which, they say, I agree with what the President is doing (even if he does nothing).

    And since he, the man in the street, agrees with the top, then he does not require any action from himself, because "with us is the one who will decide everything for us ..."

    The overwhelming mass of the country's people are deliberately pushed away from the decisions of the ruling stratum (after all, it is impossible to re-elect anyone), but at the same time there is a danger for the country to roll over on steep turns precisely because of the mass that is not consolidated by the common cause.

    Active, thinking and willing to defend their interests, this is what the country lacks.
  35. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 9 June 2015 09: 03
    +6
    Yes, do not judge the man strictly. It has boiled over in my soul, so, by virtue of his mind and worldview, he chopped off his shoulder.
    I’m sure of one thing - Russia as a state can’t get involved right now. We are being pushed into this systematically and vilely insidiously in order to later declare Russia an aggressor, blame us for the collapse of the Ukrainian economy, and finally anger the population in relation to Russians and Russia.
    The situation when you have to choose between a bad decision and a very bad decision.
  36. Vladimir111
    Vladimir111 9 June 2015 09: 04
    +1
    And are you sure that our "skidos" will go to their destination? And there is nothing for our army to do there. Krayina is a field for special services, quietly, imperceptibly, efficiently. A hussar departure there is the last thing that Russia needs.
    1. Naum
      Naum 9 June 2015 09: 32
      +2
      +++ !!! All this ukrobledny need and can be quietly beheaded. Then I remembered Sashko Bily, who so skillfully shot deadly three times in his back.
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  38. lazma3
    lazma3 9 June 2015 09: 22
    0
    Alekseev, if you besides inventing all kinds of crap to do nothing, then go to Donbas and fight. And Strelkov just imagines himself to be someone like Zhukov. He’s an invincible strategist. But in fact, he just led the militia, as it were, and all the operations others planned and executed for him. And there is no need to make him a hero and savior. But with his attitude against the government, he can actually turn into a destroyer.
  39. vlad73
    vlad73 9 June 2015 09: 24
    +3
    I don’t understand what the author’s rights are about, as some commentators claim. Emotions are whipping over the edge, different facts, rumors, conjectures are piled up, everything is piled up in a heap .... some kind of nonsense! Throw "the whole world" on tanks? Why Russia did not introduce troops and so on and so on, all in the same emotional vein! Some kind of muddy article. Why is Ukraine bombing Donbass? But isn't this question first of all necessary to ask the Ukrainians themselves, the same miners who promised to go to Kiev, and where are they? These miners? Or healthy foreheads, "refugees" that let snot on the camera, and then right there in Russia they start to become impudent, something is not so, it is not that way! And the last, most of all, we were struck by the fact that we made this porridge ... The author specifically confused something, we made the Ukrainian porridge, and therefore we have to disentangle it ?! In the best traditions of the Ukrainians, we got shit ourselves, but Russia is to blame, and therefore must !
  40. kuz363
    kuz363 9 June 2015 09: 25
    +1
    Less to the author, who suggests running in the attack with the name of Chubais. Yes, there’s nowhere to put stamps on and he has one road - to Kolyma with complete confiscation. And he forgot that among 143 million there are children, invalids, prisoners ... Stupid idea. And what kind of money does the author say about tanks, if they were mothballed in the Urals after the withdrawal of the Western Group of Forces in Germany. . Please take from there, given the qualifications of the militias. And the main question is who will restore Ukraine, fight the Bandera underground and provide Ukrainians with social benefits and at whose expense? But the answer is one - again at the expense of the Russians! As always.
  41. taram taramych
    taram taramych 9 June 2015 09: 41
    0
    Our huckster, or a stranger, Rothschild, or Chubais, the essence does not change, they have different values, respectively, if tomorrow the conditions for the most favorable conditions for capital appear in Antarctica, we can say with confidence that all of the above will emerge at the South Pole, protecting the rights of penguins South Pole. Therefore, the enemy cannot advance further until, until they are allowed to do so by those who are indifferent to the brilliance of gold.
  42. Vladimir
    Vladimir 9 June 2015 09: 55
    0
    Quote: Rune
    . Only I have a very painful and sensitive issue. There are a lot of healthy, strong men in the Donbass. Where are they?


    The question is very good. The most interesting is that these strong men are not in the Armed Forces of Ukraine either. I doubt that they cherish the strengths to rebuild the Donbas.
  43. tunes
    tunes 9 June 2015 09: 56
    +5
    Quote: azbukin77
    It’s a very primitive opinion, it’s not so simple as the author thinks. But, one correct thought skips — in April 2014 it was necessary to provide maximum material and technical assistance, to interest the miners and other beer lovers financially, but after that you could do some forecasts and conclusions. After all, I.I. Strelkov began the Novorossiya project with a platoon of volunteers armed with hunting rifles !!!



    Yes, the vast majority did not need it in 2014, which is what you are talking about, therefore they did not enter !!!
    when Strelkov struggled in Slavyansk, the rest - almost everyone drank beer with coffee in Lugansk, Donetsk, etc. dug gardens and mines and went to rest on the beaches of Marik

    when Slavyansk from Gradov leveled - in Donetsk all state bodies almost worked Ukrainian incl. Ministry of Internal Affairs
    and thanks to the men who themselves joined Strelkov no one helped him
    everyone was waiting, they will do everything for them, only they took selfies when they took the military registration and enlistment office in my opinion in Donetsk
    on the south tube there are healthy men and voices here Russia is so mellowed - it does not give weapons
    what the hell did you have weapons above the roof you had to take well, etc.

    no one believed that Donetsk will also begin to level out - they thought they would agree
    6,5 million people in 2 regions, 50 tons of men in 2014 were not scored - e..bu dates, sorry for my French, the women in the militia flashed !!!
    and all excuses who feed the family will be from the miners in particular - Part of the families are not accepted incl. children have already been crippled in the afterlife - have they fed ??? part pokes in Russia

    our Motherland - Russia, too, "zhorosha" no words are sure can, with the help of the militias, drive off equalize Arta from the cities with accurate retaliatory strikes
    Art reconnaissance stations, satellites, etc. what the hell are people dying ???
    this is a question of course and not to the militia here I agree with the author

    that's all hr .. n to the penny
  44. 23424636
    23424636 9 June 2015 10: 04
    +3
    the article is torn but deserves attention. Everything will fall here without Russia: maybe it would be lazy and cowardly. As far as it is worth keeping this land under a tricolor and the potential is not weaker than Belgium, it’s a pity that they try to replace the Russian spirit with some ersatz dominated by Jews. So there was a rumor that soon instead of Zakhar they would put Tsarev's drunkard not the best option. They love Zakharchenko here and, unlike the cleaner of Plotnitsky, vendetta does not happen.
  45. made13
    made13 9 June 2015 10: 40
    +2
    From my sofa, like the author, I can’t adequately assess the situation. Putin’s sofa is better. Therefore, the minus is that it is necessary to ask questions while proposing solutions, but our level of competence is not enough.
  46. friend of animals
    friend of animals 9 June 2015 10: 55
    +1
    I agree that having said A, you had to say B. That is, you had to do everything at once with a minimum of losses or, not seeing the great desire of the locals to fight for their land, leave them alone. And so stuck, and for a long time. In this case, the DNI, LC are not recognized. And how should this situation be resolved?

    Well-founded doubts for the volunteer.
  47. Magadan
    Magadan 9 June 2015 11: 10
    +2
    Judging by the result at the moment:

    1) Dill driven by NATO trainers and PMC officers, despite their multiple superiority in people and absolute in technology (for the summer of 2014), they suffered a series of shameful defeats from former miners trained by Russian specialists like Strelkov and Motorola.
    This is, first of all, a terrible shame for the United States, which is a type of "world gendarme".
    Conclusion: the decision not to send in the troops of the Russian Federation is correct. It’s just not clear why our country doesn’t cheat the United States at every step on the theme that their army is a colossus with feet of clay, which means the United States does not need to be afraid, the rest of the world does not have to obey them.
    2) In the Minsk agreements there is a huge jamb where ukro-border guards should after all control the border. This means that the Donbass can be destroyed by blockade, using all sorts of excuses. Even after federalization. I do not understand this
    3) Instead of economic development of Donbass, Russia itself blocks Donbass. For example, you cannot buy something in Donbass in order to sell it in Russia. Donbass doesn't need to earn money? What is this general reason, they say, the republics are "unrecognized"? A clause on the restoration of the Donbass economy signed in Minsk? Well, since dill does not fulfill it, why not adopt a temporary provision on the free movement of goods according to certificates issued in the Republics and officially explain this by concern for the starving people? But no, instead of this, our people at the border also do not allow humanitarian aid!

    In general, I conclude about the different towers of the Kremlin. On the one hand, patriots like Rogozin, Kadyrov, the same Kobzon are not letting Novorossia merge, but on the other, all sorts of liberal-offshore bureaucrats spoil Novorossia as much as they can and support the junta. The financial and economic block on the side of the Nazis is unambiguous. Sberbank and VTB generally directly financed the junta by investing in their bonds in the ATO.
  48. Marik
    Marik 9 June 2015 11: 13
    +2
    "SAVA555.IVANOV

    Newcomer
    12
    10 publications

    Posted February 2

    For many, there was a question of evacuating the family to a safe place, there is no way to go with them (and there are things to do), sending some without a breadwinner is also not the case. And this problem faced many men from Donbass. I hope they will understand me, no one would like to leave the family among the enemies. "


    Here's to all of you guys calling Dobassa "beer lovers" proof that you are a "soulless mass" of several people and some of them from Ukraine (of course they can't help anything), even if they wrote what they advised and a thousand-plus views made "gray soulless mass ". All of you were not asked to" rush into the embrasures "just information about a specific city or village where at least someone would not be a stranger but from the VO.
    After the sacrifices that people already suffered, even if you help and there will be a new state together with Russia, then your power, and rather, no one will forgive you all, your cowardice.
    By the way, in Russia "komunalka" is also big, and why did you raise your head "Russian world"? You dutifully pay as ........
    1. Magadan
      Magadan 9 June 2015 11: 32
      +4
      1) At VO, they didn’t just post something there, but raised money to help specifically the Ghost brigade. And our Roman Skomorokhov made 8 flights there
      2) Enough guys went from Russia to fight
      3) Strelkov himself reproached the men from Donbass at the very beginning of the war. And those guys that in Slavyansk were the first to fight against dill in a ratio of 1:50 in favor of the enemy, they called out to the rest of the Donbass men. Sofa "warriors" should not reproach anyone.
      4) I don’t understand what a communal apartment is, but in Magadan they pay in the region of 8 thousand with an average salary of 50 thousand
  49. Gromm
    Gromm 9 June 2015 11: 26
    0
    Well, everything is as usual, Vanya pay, Vanya go to war, and we’ll be sawing here at the top of the gesheft. An old song about bad boyars and a good king. If the king cannot drive over the burnt boyars, then why is he needed at all? And in the state, who is the boss then? People? Not. And then nishtyak settled down, the rulers are messing around and the people are bad! And what? Conveniently, steal, eat fat with impunity, and just that, this is rubbish among us!
    1. Magadan
      Magadan 9 June 2015 11: 57
      +2
      Thought about it. If it were so simple, then Stalin would certainly have driven everyone. But - remember Khrushchev. You can’t clean out all the nits if people don’t take part in this en masse. And the people all hope that someone will come from above and put all the scum. Personally, Putin has 24 hours a day. I can’t imagine how it’s possible to hunt for overgrown boyars. With the help of the FSB / Police / etc?
      And if they are, these FSB / etc. already intertwined with the overgrown boyars in different sects and other flocks, covering each other?

      Although, of course, I agree - Putin is clearly not working on official chaos.
      1. Zionist35
        Zionist35 9 June 2015 22: 19
        -1
        what are you amerikos or something that hung the flag of an older brother?
  50. mackonya
    mackonya 9 June 2015 11: 36
    0
    Not everything is so simple and such arithmetic does not fit, besides there is a border, or if we take it inside Ukraine, then everything is not real at all. In general, as soon as one "more often" has an advantage, there will immediately be supplies from NATO countries.