RPK light machine gun

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In the second half of the forties, the Soviet army mastered several types of rifle weapons under the intermediate cartridge 7,62х39 mm. With a difference of several years, the RPD light machine-gun, the SKS carbine and the AK assault rifle were adopted. This weapon made it possible to significantly increase the firepower of motorized rifle subunits and thereby increase their combat potential. Nevertheless, the development of small arms was continued, with the result that several new models appeared. In place of the Degtyarev light machine gun (RPD) came the Kalashnikov light machine gun (RPK).

The development and use of weapons for one cartridge has greatly simplified the supply of ammunition to troops. At the beginning of the fifties, there was a proposal to continue the unification of the existing systems, this time through the creation of families of weapons. In 1953, the Main Artillery Directorate developed tactical and technical requirements for a new family of small arms chambered for 7,62х39 mm. The military wanted a complex consisting of a new machine gun and a light machine gun. Both samples should have the most similar design using common ideas and details. The technical assignment implied that the new “lightweight” machine gun in the near future would replace the existing AKs in the troops, and the machine gun unified with it would become a substitute for the existing RPDs.



The competition for the creation of a new shooting complex was attended by several leading gunsmiths. V.V. Degtyarev, G.S. Garanin, G.A. Korobov, A.S. Konstantinov and M.T. Kalashnikov. The latter submitted to the competition two types of weapons, which were subsequently put into service under the names AKM and PKK. The first tests of the proposed weapons were held in 1956 year.

Testing and refinement of the proposed machines and machine guns continued until the 1959 year. The result of the first stage of the competition was the victory of the Kalashnikov assault rifle. In 1959, the AKM assault rifle was adopted by the Soviet Army, which to some extent predetermined the choice of a new light machine gun. The Kalashnikov machine gun itself was put into service two years later. During this time, the designer has improved its design and, while maintaining the necessary degree of unification, brought the characteristics to the desired level.

At the request of the customer, the new light machine gun had to repeat as much as possible the design of the machine gun being developed simultaneously with it. As a result, the PKK designed by M.T. Kalashnikov in many of its features resembled an AKM machine gun. Naturally, the design of the machine gun provided some differences related to its intended use.

The PKK machine gun was built on the basis of gas automation with a long piston stroke. This scheme has already been worked out in the AK project and without significant changes passed to AKM and PKK. In terms of the overall layout of assemblies and assemblies, the new machine gun did not differ from the existing and prospective machine guns either.

The main part of the RPK machine gun was a rectangular receiver. For access to the internal units provided a removable lid with a latch in the back. In front of the receiver was attached barrel and gas tube. The experience of using the RPD and other similar weapons showed that the new light machine gun could do without an interchangeable barrel. The fact is that a heavy barrel with relatively thick walls did not have time to overheat even during the use of all portable ammunition. To increase firepower in comparison with the base automatic, the PKK machine gun received a barrel with a length of 590 mm (415 mm for AKM).



Directly above the barrel was a gas tube with a piston. The middle part of the receiver was set aside for the shutter and fixing units of the magazine, the back part - for the trigger mechanism. A characteristic feature of the PKK machine gun has become an updated barrel box. She almost did not differ from the corresponding parts of the machine, but had a reinforced structure. The box and the lid were stamped from steel sheet, which simplified production compared to milled units of AK automatons.

All parts of automation without changes were borrowed from the base machine. The main element of the gas engine was a piston rigidly connected to the bolt carrier. Locking the barrel before the shot was made by turning the shutter. When moving forward, during the filing of the cartridge in the chamber, the bolt interacted with the shaped groove on the bolt carrier and rotated around its axis. In the extreme forward position, it was fixed with the help of two lugs that fit into the corresponding grooves of the receiver liner. The backframe of its rear part is in contact with the return spring, located directly under the receiver cover. To simplify the design, the shutter handle was part of the bolt carrier.

Requirements for the life of the barrel and various parts of automation led to the need to use chrome. The coating received the barrel bore, the inner surface of the chamber, the piston and bolt stem. Thus, protection received parts in direct contact with the powder gases that can cause corrosion and destruction.

In the back of the receiver was a trigger mechanism trigger type. In order to preserve the maximum possible number of common parts, the PKK machine gun received trigger with the possibility of firing single and in automatic mode. The flag of the fuse-translator of fire was located on the right surface of the receiver. In the raised position, the flag blocked the trigger and other parts of the trigger and did not allow the slide frame to move. In view of the continuity of the design, the shot was made from the front sear, with the patron drilled out and the barrel locked. Despite the fears that existed, the thick barrel and the shooting, mostly in short bursts, did not allow spontaneous firing to occur due to overheating of the liner.

For ammunition, the PKK machine gun was supposed to use several types of shops. The unification of the design with the AKM assault rifle made it possible to use the existing sector stores on 30 cartridges, but the need to increase the firepower of the weapon led to the emergence of new systems. Kalashnikov light machine guns were completed with two types of stores. The first is a two-row sector on 40 cartridges, which was a direct development of the automatic magazine. The second store had a drum structure and contained 75 cartridges.



Inside the drum casing, a spiral guide was provided along which the cartridges were located. In addition, when equipping such a store, the machine gunner had to cock a spring-loaded cartridge feed mechanism. Under the action of the cocked spring, a special pusher guided the cartridges along the guide and pushed them to the neck of the store. A characteristic feature of the drum mechanism were certain difficulties with his equipment. This process was more complicated and took longer than working with the sector store.

For aiming the shooter had to use the front sight mounted above the barrel muzzle and an open sight on the front of the receiver. The sight had a scale with divisions from 1 to 10, which allowed firing at a distance of up to 1000 m. It was also possible to make lateral corrections. By the time of adoption of the new machine gun was mastered the production of devices for shooting at night. It consisted of an additional pillar and front sight with self-luminous dots. These parts were mounted on top of the base sights, and, if necessary, could recline, allowing you to use the existing rear sight and front sight.

Ease of use of the PKK machine gun was provided by the presence of several wooden and metal parts. To hold the weapon should use a wooden forearm and pistol grip. In addition, a wooden butt was attached to the receiver. The form of the latter was partially borrowed from the RPD machine gun available to the troops. When shooting lying down or with an emphasis on bipods on any object, the machine-gunner could hold the weapon by the thin neck of the butt with his free hand, which positively affected the accuracy and accuracy of fire. Behind the mounts flies on the trunk located mount bipods. In the transport position, they were folded and placed along the trunk. In the unfolded position, the bipods were held by a special spring.

Light machine gun design M.T. Kalashnikov turned out significantly larger and heavier than the unified machine gun. The total length of the weapon reached 1040 mm. The weight of a weapon without a magazine was 4,8 kg. For comparison, the AKM machine gun without a bayonet had a length of 880 mm and weighed (with an empty metal magazine) 3,1 kg. The metal magazine on the 40 cartridges weighed around 200 g. The weight of the drum magazine reached 900 g. It should be noted that the PKK with ammunition was noticeably lighter than its predecessor. The PKK with the equipped drum magazine weighed about 6,8-7 kg, whereas the RPD with the tape without cartridges pulled on the 7,4 kg. All this increased the mobility of the fighter on the battlefield, although it could affect some of the combat characteristics of the weapon.

The developed automation, borrowed from the existing sample, allowed to achieve the rate of fire at the level of 600 rounds per minute. Practical rate of fire was less and depended on the mode of trigger control. When shooting single per minute, it was possible to make no more than 40-50 shots, with automatic fire - up to 150.

With the help of a trunk of increased length, it was possible to bring the initial velocity of the bullet to 745 m / s. The target range was 1000 m. The effective range of ground targets was smaller - 800 m. From a distance of 500 m, it was possible to conduct effective fire on flying targets. Thus, the majority of the fighting qualities of the PKK machine gun remained at the level of the RAP in the army. At the same time there were significant gains in weight and unification of the structure with an automatic machine. Requirements for the normal combat machine guns PKK and RPD were the same. When shooting with 100 m at least 6 from 8 bullets had to fall into a circle with a diameter of 20, see. The deviation of the midpoint of impact from the aiming point could not exceed 5, see.

RPK light machine gun
RPX machine gun


Simultaneously with the PKK light machine gun, its collapsible version of the PKSC was developed, designed for airborne troops. Its only difference from the basic design was a folding butt. To reduce the length of the weapon to 820 mm, the butt folded to the left and fixed in this position. The use of a hinge and some related parts led to an increase in the weight of the weapon by about 300.

Later came the "night" modification of the machine gun. The RPKN product differed from the basic version by the presence of a mount on the left side of the receiver, on which any suitable night sight could be mounted. With the RPK machine gun, the NSP-2, NSP-3, NSPU and NSPUM sights could be used. As the sights developed, the target detection range increased, although even the most advanced night sights did not allow for firing at the maximum possible distance.

The Kalashnikov light machine gun was adopted by the Soviet Army in 1961. Serial production of new weapons was deployed at the Molot plant (Vyatskiye Polyany). Machine guns were massively supplied to the troops, where they gradually replaced the existing RPD. The light machine guns of the new model were a means of reinforcing motorized rifle squads and, from the tactical niche point of view, were a direct replacement for the existing RPDs. The complete replacement of obsolete weapons took several years.

Having provided its own weapon with its own army, the defense industry began to export it. Approximately in the mid-sixties, the first batches of PKK machine guns went to foreign customers. Soviet-made machine guns were supplied to more than two dozen friendly countries. In many countries, such weapons are still used and is the main machine gun in the army.

Some foreign countries have mastered the licensed production of Soviet machine guns, and also developed their own weapons based on the purchased PKK. Thus, in Romania, the Puşcă Mitralieră model 1964 machine gun was produced, and Yugoslavia from the early seventies collected and used the Zastava X72 products. The Yugoslav specialists further modernized their development and created the M72B1 machine gun. In 1978, the Yugoslavs sold the license for the production of the M72 to Iraq. There this weapon was produced in several versions. There is information about their own modernization projects.


Iraqi military with PKK machine guns. Photo En.wikipedia.org


In the sixties, Vietnam became the most important customer of the PKK machine guns. The Soviet Union supplied at least several thousand such weapons to friendly troops that participated in the war. The establishment of relations between the USSR and many developing countries in Asia and Africa, among other things, led to the use of PKK machine guns in a multitude of armed conflicts on several continents. This weapon was actively used in Vietnam, Afghanistan, in all Yugoslav wars, as well as in many other conflicts, up to and including the civil war in Syria.

In the early seventies, Soviet gunsmiths developed a new intermediate cartridge 5,45х39 mm. The military decided to make it the main ammunition for small arms, for which several new assault rifles and machine guns were developed. In 1974, the AK-74 submachine gun and the RPK-74 light machine gun of MT design were adopted. Kalashnikov using a new cartridge. The transfer of the army to the new ammunition affected the further fate of the existing weapons. Outdated AK assault rifles and PKK machine guns were gradually replaced by new weapons and sent for storage, disposal or export. However, the replacement of old weapons lasted for a long time, which affected the timing of its operation.

The Kalashnikov PKK light machine gun became an important milestone in stories development of modern domestic small arms. With the help of this machine gun the serious question of the unification of various rifle systems was resolved. By using common ideas and some unified nodes, the authors of the project managed to significantly simplify and cheapen the production of weapons while maintaining the characteristics at the level of the existing RPD. This was the main advantage of the new machine gun.




Posters for the operation of the machine guns PKK. Photo Russianguns.ru


However, the PKK machine gun was not without flaws. The first thing to note is the reduction in ready-to-use ammunition. The RPD machine gun was completed with 100 ammo tape. Included with the PKK there was a sector store on 40 and a drum cartridge on 75 cartridges. Thus, without replacing the magazine, the shooter could have made at least 25 fewer shots. At the same time, however, it took less time to replace the store than to refill a new tape.

Another disadvantage of the PKK machine gun was related to the automation used. Most machine guns fire from the open bolt: before the shot, the bolt is in the rearmost position, which, among other things, improves the cooling of the barrel. In the case of the PKK, the sending of the cartridge into the chamber occurred before pressing the trigger, and not after, as is the case with other machine guns. This feature of the weapon, despite the heavy barrel, limited the intensity of shooting and did not allow to shoot in long bursts.

PKK machine guns were actively used by the Soviet army for several decades. Some armies use this weapon until now. Despite its age, these weapons still suit the military in many countries. You can argue about the pros and cons of the Kalashnikov light machine gun for a long time, but the half-century history of operation speaks for itself.


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  1. +9
    10 June 2015 06: 18
    It is very bad that in the army the real RPD machine gun was replaced with this RPK under-machine gun.
    1. +14
      10 June 2015 06: 44
      Quote: La-5
      It is very bad that in the army the real RPD machine gun was replaced with this RPK under-machine gun.

      Plus! RPK is both a submachine gun and a submachine gun! No wonder that VV abandoned him back in the nineties
      in favor of a PC.
      And now it will be very useful in the army, namely a machine gun, with tape power and under an intermediate cartridge. By the type of Minimi.
      My opinion is that the RPD-44 was abandoned early ...
      1. +9
        10 June 2015 10: 29
        The answer is extremely simple: unification. Any rookie who disassembled AK at the school, the RPK could master in a few minutes. On the battlefield, a machine gunner who was out of order could also be replaced instantly. This is really important. In the same Wehrmacht, somewhere from the year 43, problems began with the preparation of infantry. In the training units they no longer had time to master both the carbine and the machine gun. Had to be limited to one thing. As a result, the loss of machine gunners (and the losses among them were very large) deprived the detachment of half the firepower.
        1. +2
          11 June 2015 06: 42
          Quote: RiverVV
          The answer is extremely simple: unification. Any rookie who disassembled AK at the school, the RPK could master in a few minutes. On the battlefield, a machine gunner who was out of order could also be replaced instantly. This is really important. In the same Wehrmacht, somewhere from the year 43, problems began with the preparation of infantry. In the training units they no longer had time to master both the carbine and the machine gun. Had to be limited to one thing. As a result, the loss of machine gunners (and the losses among them were very large) deprived the detachment of half the firepower.

          Only suppliers and logistics units benefit from unification, and combat units suffer. Combat units often need different barrels for different tasks, but the authorities force them to do everything only with the help of a machine gun. The Germans suffered from a shortage of weapons and willingly accepted a variety of trophy specimens. After 43g, a crash began on all fronts and the Germans began frantically searching for the wunderwaf. It was a mistake to adopt an intermediate cartridge and weapons for it under such conditions, hence all the problems, and not specifically in poor training. It’s not difficult to get a person to own a machine gun and a machine gun. Any Soviet RPD machine gunner could freely use AK.
          1. +1
            11 June 2015 10: 36
            Quote: La-5
            After 43g, a crash began on all fronts and the Germans began frantically searching for the wunderwaf. It was a mistake to adopt an intermediate cartridge and weapons for it under such conditions, hence all the problems, and not specifically in poor training

            Those. according to yours in 1943. did the Deutsch suddenly realize that the scribe was coming to them and let's frantically invent the stormtrooper and kurts under him? Well, if you read smart people, it suddenly turns out that the Germans began to design an intermediate cartridge and weapons for it back in the early 30s, by the 42nd year the Walter and Haenel MKB were already undergoing military tests, only now the adoption of the MP43 / MP44 / STG44 for service it could no longer seriously affect the course of the war — neither for the better nor for the worse.
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            2. 0
              14 June 2015 18: 41
              Quote: gross kaput
              Quote: La-5
              After 43g, a crash began on all fronts and the Germans began frantically searching for the wunderwaf. It was a mistake to adopt an intermediate cartridge and weapons for it under such conditions, hence all the problems, and not specifically in poor training

              Those. according to yours in 1943. did the Deutsch suddenly realize that the scribe was coming to them and let's frantically invent the stormtrooper and kurts under him? Well, if you read smart people, it suddenly turns out that the Germans began to design an intermediate cartridge and weapons for it back in the early 30s, by the 42nd year the Walter and Haenel MKB were already undergoing military tests, only now the adoption of the MP43 / MP44 / STG44 for service it could no longer seriously affect the course of the war — neither for the better nor for the worse.

              Weapons are created for specific conditions and tasks of the war. The Germans also developed heavy tanks and jet planes before the war, however, all this came to the front already during the war and closer to its end, when the need for new weapons became apparent. The adoption of an intermediate cartridge and weapons under it was one of the types of Hitler’s prodigy.
          2. -6
            11 June 2015 13: 15
            I understand that you did not serve in the army, otherwise you would not have confused infantry weapons and military equipment. It is in aviation that some tasks are performed by an attack aircraft, while others are strictly fighter. Infantry since the time of Alexander the Great was armed with the same type. No one ever indicates how to arm a battalion. And so it is clear that personal weapons will be used.

            The Wehrmacht example is extremely unsuccessful. A German could carry trophy PCA in addition to his Mauser, but in the Wehrmacht never (at least I never met any mention of this) did not form units armed with Soviet (French / English) small arms. No wonder. I would have to change the tactics of the infantry, and the combat charter. They took the captured equipment into service and used, but not small arms.
            1. +2
              11 June 2015 14: 40
              Quote: RiverVV
              but in the Wehrmacht never (at least I never met any mention of this) did not form parts,

              Oh how! and the Hans do not know about it!
              Second-line units, the Waffen SS, various volunteer units, the police, etc., were armed with captured weapons. and armed themselves in full force, so as not to create disagreement in the unit with the corresponding haemorrhoids with ammunition, spare parts for training and so on.
              Quote: RiverVV
              I would have to change the tactics of the infantry, and the combat charter.

              Those. do you think replacing, for example, in the regiment MP-40 with the Thompson would you have to rewrite the combat manual?
              Quote: RiverVV
              I understand that you did not serve in the army,
              - a very fair remark only in relation to you.
              Well, as an application, a list of indexes of captured weapons in the Wehrmacht.
              1. +3
                11 June 2015 14: 41
                7.62 mm Selbstladegewehr 257® Former russian AVS-36
                7.62 mm Selbstladegewehr 258® Former russian SVT-38
                7.62 mm Selbstladegewehr 259® Former russian SVT-40
                7.62 mm Selbstladegewehr 251 (a) Former American Rifle, caliber. 30, M1 (Garand)
                7.62 mm Selbstladegewehr 310 (f) Former French Fusil Mitrailleur RSC Mle 1918
                7.62 mm Selbstladekarabiner 455 (a) Former American Carbine, Caliber. 30, M1
                G-221/223 (Jugoslavians) War reparations after WWI
                G-299 or 98 (Polish)idem
                Gewehr 24 (Czech) build under license
                Gew 29/40 (Austrian)
                Gew 262 (Belgian)
                Gew 289 (Polish)
                Gew 290/298 (Jugoslavian) build under license
                Gewehr 98/40 (original 8 mm Huzagol 35M from Hungary)
                Gewehr 33/40 (manufactured in CZ Brno or Waffenfabrik Brno)
                Gewehr 98 (Austrian Repetier Gewehr 1895 in 8 mm)
                Gewehr 306 (Greek, Italian or Jugoslavian G-9
                Gewehr 294 (ex G-98 recalibrated by the Jugoslavians to 7.9)
                Gewehr 33 (Musketon vz 16/33 the standard Czech Army carbine)
                Gewehr 209 (Italian Fucille modelo 38 in 6.5 mm)
                Gewehr 210 (Italian Fucille modelo 41 in 6.5 mm)
                Gewehr 211 (Dutch Geweer M95 Manlicher in 6.5 mm)
                Gewehr 214 (Italian Fucille modelo 91 in 6.5 mm)
                Gewehr 215 (Greek mannlicher-Schonauer Model 03/14 in 6.5 mm)
                Gewehr 231 (Italian Fucille modelo 38 in 7.35 mm)
                Gewehr 241 (French model 07-15 M34 in 7.5 mm)
                Gewehr 242 (French MAS-36 in 7.5 mm)
                Gewehr 249 (American Springfield M 03 in 7.62)
                Gewehr 252 (Russian Mosin M-91 in 7.62 and Jugoslavian Puska M91R)
                Gewehr 254 (Russian Mosin M-91/30 in 7.62)
                Gewehr 256 (Russian Mosin M-91/30 in 7.62 with 3.5 telescope)
                Gewehr 261 (Belgian Fusil 1889 Mauser in 7.65 mm)
                Gewehr 263 (Belgian Fusil 36 Mauser in 7.65 mm)
                Gewehr 281 (British Rifle N? 1 Mk III in 7.7 mm)
                Gewehr 301 (French model 1886 transforme 1893 in 8 mm)
                Gewehr 302 (French model 1907 transforme 1915 in 8 mm)
                Gewehr 303 (French model 1886 racroche 1935 in 8 mm)
                Gewehr 304 (French model 1916 in 8 mm)
                Gewehr 305 (French model 1907 dit colonial in 8 mm)
                Gewehr 307 (Jugoslavian Puska 8mm M93)
                Gewehr 311 (Danish Gevaer m / 89-10 in 8 mm)
                Karabiner 408 (Italian Moschetto modello 38 in 6.5 mm)
                Karabiner 409 (Italian Moschetto modello 91 for cavalry in 6.5 mm)
                Karabiner 410 (Italian Moschetto m 91 for technical troops in 6.5 mm)
                Karabiner 411 (Dutch Karabijn aantal 1 in 6.5 mm)
                Karabiner 412 (Dutch Karabijn aantal 1 OM en NM in 6.5 mm)
                Karabiner 413 (Dutch Karabijn aantal 3 OM en NM in 6.5 mm)
                Karabiner 414 (Dutch Karabijn aantal 4 OM en NM in 6.5 mm)
                Karabiner 411 (n) (Norwegian Kavalerikarabin m / 1894 in 6.5 mm)
                Karabiner 412 (n) (Norwegian Kavalerikarabin m / 1895 in 6.5 mm)
                Karabiner 413 (n) (Norwegian Ingenieorkarabin m / 1904 in 6.5 mm)
                Karabiner 414 (n) (Norwegian Artillerikarabin m / 1907 in 6.5 mm)
                Karabiner 415 (Norwegian Karabin m / 1912 in 6.5 mm)
                Karabiner 416 (Italian moschetto modello 91/24 in 6.5 mm)
                Karabiner 430 (Italian moschetto modello 38 in 7.35 mm)
                Karabiner 451 (Belgian Carabine 1889 in 7.65 mm)
                Karabiner 453 (Belgian Carabine 1916 in 7.65 mm)
                Karabiner 454 (Russian Karabin obr 1938 g in 7.62 mm)
                Karabiner 457 (Russian Karabin obr 1944 g in 7.62 mm)
                Karabiner 494 (Greek S-95)
                Karabiner 497 (Polish Karabinek 91/98/25 in 7.92 mm [ex Mosin])
                Karabiner 505 (Italian or Jugoslavian S-95)
                Karabiner 506/1 (Danish Fodfolkskarabin m / 89-24 in 8 mm)
                Karabiner 506/2 (Danish Artilleriekarabin m / 89-24 in 8 mm)
                Karabiner 506/3 (Danish Ingeniorkarabin m / 89-24 in 8 mm)
                Karabiner 506/1 (Danish Rytterkarabin m / 89-24 in 8 mm)
                Karabiner 551 (French model 1890 in 8 mm)
                Karabiner 552 (French model 1892 in 8 mm)
                Karabiner 553 (French model 1916 in 8 mm)
                Stutzen 95 (Austrian Repetier-Stutzen-Gewehr m-1895 in 8 mm)
                1. +1
                  11 June 2015 14: 41
                  MP.704 (f) (ex-Frence PM Vollmar Erma)
                  MP.715® (PPD 34/38)
                  MP.716® (PPD 40)
                  MP.717® (PPSh 41)
                  MP.719® Captured Russian PPs-43
                  MP.722(f) Captured French Mas-38
                  MP. 738 (i) Beretta model 38/42
                  MP. 739 (i) (Beretta Mo. 938)
                  MP. 740 (b) (ex-Belgian Mi.Schmeisser-Bayard Mle. 34)
                  MP. 741 (d) (The license built Bergman made in Denmark)
                  MP.746(d) (Madsen M-42)
                  MP.749(e) Captured British Sten Mk II
                  MP.751 (e) Captured British Sten Mk II with silencer
                  MP.760 (e) / (j) / (a) / ® Captured Thompson M-28 from British, US, Yugoslavian or Soviet)
                  MP.761(f) Captured Thompson M-1921 purchased by France in 1939
                  1. -7
                    11 June 2015 16: 37
                    Sorry muah ... There's an American Springfield on the list. Can you tell me how many of these caramults were captured and how many Germans were armed with them? How many cartridges for the three lines were produced in Germany? So I will tell you: not at all. It would not have occurred to the rear units in Germany to arm with captured weapons for the simple reason that there was that same MP, cheap and angry. Such cases, the German construction battalion was armed with them without exception.

                    Actually, you heard the ringing, but you don’t know where it is. Of course, the trophy must be somehow designated, since it’s been in the warehouse. But this does not mean that they were armed with their soldiers. Is that Volkssturm in the 45th ... MP he, you see, was changed to Thompson. :))) Let it be known that the MP in the Wehrmacht was exchanged only for schnapps.
                    1. +2
                      11 June 2015 21: 55
                      Quote: RiverVV
                      Would you answer

                      And what did we drink at the brudenshaft?
                      Quote: RiverVV
                      . Of course, the trophy must be somehow designated, since it’s been in the warehouse.

                      That's because only what kind of German indexes were assigned only to weapons accepted for use as weapons of a limited standard.
                      Quote: RiverVV
                      You see, he changed the MP to the Thompsons. :))) Let it be known that the MP in the Wehrmacht was exchanged only for schnapps.

                      We open the "Weapons of the Third Reich" by Monetchikov and wake up at the expense of captured SMGs in the SS Wehrmacht and others.
                      1. +2
                        11 June 2015 22: 06
                        brief squeezes from Monetchikova
                        "Shpagin's submachine guns, which received the German designation MP.717 (r), were so widespread in the German front-line units of the first echelon on the Eastern Front that this was reflected in the memoirs of the Minister of Armaments of the Third Reich A. Speer. So, since 1943. The PPSh was in service with the 5th SS Panzer Division “Viking.” In 1944.
                        more than 10 PPSh were adapted for firing by the German standard 000-mm pistol
                        Patron Parabellum by re-flashing and reworking the magazine’s nest, which made it possible to use the standard 32-charge magazine from MP.38 / MP.40 in Soviet weapons. This weapon received the index MP.41 (r).
                        Along with this, the Germans donated a significant number of 7,62-mm Shpagin MR.717 (r) submachine guns for arming pro-fascist, so-called "volunteer" formations, incl. ROA, UPA, Turkestan Legion, etc. "
                        In 1941-1943 along with Soviet weapons, a number of American Thompson M1928A1 submachine guns handed over to the Red Army under Lend-Lease also fell to the Germans as trophies. In the Wehrmacht, the captured Thompson captured on the Eastern Front were in service under
                        index MP. 769 (r). The same submachine guns captured by the Wehrmacht on the Western Front under the designations MP.760 (e), (j) and (a) (respectively, English, Yugoslav and American) were used mainly by the German security police. In addition, the Wehrmacht occupation units in Western Europe were armed with (under the index MP.761 (f)) more than 3 000 mm Thompson M11,43 submachine guns purchased
                        France in the USA in 1939-1940
                        Along with the American Tompson, the Germans captured in France as trophies a small amount of very original for their
                        time 7,65 mm French submachine guns MAS 38, adopted by the Wehrmacht under the index MP.722 (f).
                        During the war years, MAS 38 submachine guns were produced in small quantities, initially for the security police
                        the Vichy regime, and subsequently for the occupying German troops and the SS troops. "
                        During the years of German occupation, the ZK-383 was produced in two basic models: in the infantry version - 383 (t) with a perforated casing
                        barrel and tide for the bayonet, interchangeable barrel and folding bipod, and in the version for the police - ZK-383P, with a fixed thickened
                        trunk and without bipod. In the Third Reich, Czech submachine guns, as a rule, were used to arm the SS field forces.
                        In 1942, the same designers who worked at SSWaffenakademie created a new submachine gun ZK-403 for the German army, known as
                        designation Waffenwerke Brunn MP. 42,
                        The report of the Headquarters of the French Security Police dated May 4, 1944 contains the following data: in the SS units (in Paris) 1730 STEN submachine guns were in service, in the remaining parts of the SS and the police (in France) - 393, in parts of the French police - 1000, in the national French police units - 260, in the German police headquarters - 140, in separate parts of the SS (Sonderkommando) - 175, among the German peasants -
                        colonists - 120, in SS units in Metz - 3010, in parts of the secret field gendarmerie, as well as in units of the French police of the Savoy district - 1105.
                        In the Wehrmacht
                        The Danish Madsen-Suomi P2 submachine gun, which received the MP.746 (d) index, was used mainly for arming the occupying forces and SS troops stationed in Western Europe. In addition, the units of the Wehrmacht that fought in Karelia and Lapland, as well as the 3rd Finnish battalion of the Norland regiment from the 5th motorized (since 1943, tank) SS Viking division consisted of 9-mm submachine guns Suomi M / 1931,
                        manufactured in Finland by Ou Tikkakoski Ab.
                      2. +2
                        11 June 2015 22: 17
                        Well, with regards to the rest, the trophy store rifles basically went into service with the national pro-Swiss units and the Volkssturm itself at the end of the war, with the exception of clones of Mauser 98 - such as the Czech M24 or the Belgian Mauser, which were also used by the Wehrmacht and SS from the moment of capture of these countries. The machine guns also did not remain in stock at the warehouse, and almost immediately entered the army. Our SVT24 / 38 was very popular with Deutsche, they were in service with the Waffen-SS and a lot of freewheel, so don’t bother blowing the breezes - you’re absolutely out of topic on trophies in the Wehrmacht and SS.
                      3. -3
                        12 June 2015 06: 58
                        Once again: how many units in the Wehrmacht did they have as personal weapons? How many cartridges for captured weapons were fired in Germany? How many spare parts? You really are not like that. The Finnish battalion of the Norland regiment was armed with Finnish machine guns - and what else should the FINNS have equipped it with ??? "Arisakami" or what? German peasants got PP Stern ... Peasant army, yeah. :)))
                        Go away, do not make laugh.
                      4. -4
                        12 June 2015 06: 53
                        Clear. It’s too late to treat the patient. Only an appeal to the Wehrmacht will help.
                      5. 0
                        12 June 2015 20: 30
                        RiverVV, wrote a little higher culturally, but with stubborn things you only need to be rude - get out, empty troll !!!
                    2. +1
                      12 June 2015 20: 21
                      RiverVV, you are fundamentally wrong! If something does not fit in your head, then this does not mean that this has not happened.
                      "Do you see the gopher?
                      -Nooo.
                      -And he is !!! "(S) H / f" DMB "
                      Mass MP-40 only in thin. films. You read the documents, but rather the Wehrmacht Field Charter regarding the armament of the infantry division. PP had only non-commissioned officer (squad leader) and platoon commander (company, battalion). Simple shooters were armed with a Mauser 98K. And only the assault units had mainly PP, later the assault guns, but they had no machine guns in the squad / platoon. The assault company attached a machine gun compartment.
                      In total, about 1 million units were produced in Germany. So, against knowledge - only unhealthy obstinacy)))
                      1. Elk
                        Elk
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                        12 June 2015 22: 31
                        In total, about 1 million units were produced in Germany.

                        In fact, slightly more than about 2 million. MP-38/40/41 and others, plus trophies and allies. So I think about 3 million. get it. Here are just the Soviet Union during the years 1941-1945 produced 6,5 million alone PCA. As the saying goes, feel the difference.
                        Mass MP-40 only in thin. films. You read the documents, but rather the Wehrmacht Field Charter regarding the armament of the infantry division. PP had only non-commissioned officer (squad leader) and platoon commander (company, battalion). Simple shooters were armed with a Mauser 98K.

                        Everything is correct. A very specific weapon is a submachine gun. By the way, according to the states of 1941, 12 infantry relied on the Wehrmacht infantry company, 16 on the RKKA small arms company.
            2. Elk
              Elk
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              12 June 2015 07: 23
              A German could carry trophy PCA in addition to his Mauser, but in the Wehrmacht never (at least I never met any mention of this) did not form units armed with Soviet (French / English) small arms.

              Finger to the sky.
              The Germans have always been noble trophies. Even during the First World War, they actively and, must be given very effectively, used trophies and produced spare parts for them.
              By the beginning of World War II, the system for using captured weapons had reached perfection. All captured small arms were divided into three categories: 1) weapons using a standard Wehrmacht cartridge, was used without restrictions, 2) weapons adapted to use a standard Wehrmacht cartridge, 3) captured weapons in its natural form. The armament of linear units was allowed with an amount sufficient to arm at least a battalion.
              Thus, especially at the end of the war, units equipped with captured weapons were by no means a rarity.
              1. -7
                12 June 2015 10: 04
                Damn ... Another couch strategist. The last time for those in the tank. Can be armed with Volkssturm trophies. They will shoot once and surrender (if they have time). You can and should be partisans, or saboteurs. They will not have to shoot a lot, they have been taught to handle captured weapons, and no one expects to return. Internal parts are possible. Guarding prisoners also does not require a lot of ammunition and any serious training. It is also better for mercenaries to issue a "native" system for them.

                But no one will have to do their own linear parts with nothing to equip with unfamiliar weapons simply because they are in stock. A trained soldier deals only with standard weapons, and if you give him a three-ruler instead of a Mauser, he will need to be taught to shoot again, a platoon to be trained again, and so on. And it’s not just about rifles. If you equip a platoon of the Red Army with MG machine guns, then they need rifles under the same cartridge with all the problems attached.

                Feldfebel of the Wehrmacht did not select the SVT because it replaced him with the MP, but because she supplemented the MP. And now the march to play WoT. Deer are bored.
                1. Elk
                  Elk
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                  12 June 2015 11: 36
                  Feldfebel of the Wehrmacht did not select the SVT because it replaced him with the MP, but because she supplemented the MP. And now the march to play WoT. Deer are bored.

                  And you, it turns out, are not just an ignoramus, but also not a very smart boor. And the Wehrmacht soldier picked up the SVT, it was used with pleasure and the material of German designers for a masterpiece like G-41, precisely because the MP is a submachine gun and comparing it with a self-loading rifle is about the same as comparing Lamborghini and KAMAZ. There can be no question of any special supplement, for not a single normal infantryman will impose an additional 8-10 kg of weight on himself. Although, you probably do not understand this.
                  But no one will have to do their own linear parts with nothing to equip with unfamiliar weapons simply because they are in stock.

                  Naturally, no one will equip linear parts with captured weapons for nothing. This is all done far from a good life, since it’s better trophy than none. Trophies were widely used by all, without exception, participants in World Wars.
                  . If you equip a platoon of the Red Army with MG machine guns, then they need rifles under the same cartridge with all the problems attached.

                  And they armed and not only MG-34, 42, but also MG-13, ZB-26, MG-08, Polish BARs, English Lewis, American Browning ... What was, they were armed. Look closely at the chronicle of 1941-1943. Moreover, NSDs on weapons of foreign states have been published quite a while ago since the First World War and, I will tell you a secret, they are published now. These samples were completely studied for themselves, so that more or less trained fighters did not cause special difficulties.
                  A trained soldier deals only with standard weapons and if you give him a three-ruler instead of a Mauser, he will need to be taught to shoot again

                  Well, for you it will be an excessive intellectual load. A trained ordinary soldier of the Red Army or a Wehrmacht soldier was quite enough to show the order of incomplete assembly-disassembly and explain some features of the weapons handed to him. You see, and the three-ruler, and the Mauser, and springfield, and SMLE are weapons of the same level and no one needs to learn to shoot for new ones.
                  Z.Y. And lastly, baby, you better read different smart books, and do not try to be rude to completely strangers, giving out your delusional fabrications for the ultimate truth.
                  1. -5
                    12 June 2015 14: 14
                    To tanks, dude, to deer. Run in the herd and forget about something serious. My advice to you: do not join the army. They try not to give weapons there like you, but they look at them at the shooting range with all eyes.
                    1. Elk
                      Elk
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                      12 June 2015 14: 30
                      To tanks, dude, to deer.

                      Can someone explain to me what this phrase means?
                    2. +1
                      12 June 2015 16: 54
                      Judging by the lexicon, we are dealing with a pimply young man hiding from the call behind his mother's skirt and because of this, having a complex regarding military service, a rude and not smart kid in the army, I served when you were still googling and asked for a sissy, in the distant 95-97 years. Son, you were transparently hinted where you can find the answer to trophies in the Wehrmacht, but you continue to drag on from your own illiteracy and ignorance - a bright representative of the Pepsi generation and playstation, although I understand where the legs grow from - in computer shooters, all Hans are without exception with MP-40 or STG -44 and a different reality in your shrunken brain simply does not fit. Sorry for you because you live by the principle - "I saw in half an eye, heard in half an ear and thought out with a piece of my brain."
                      1. 0
                        12 June 2015 20: 41
                        Gross kaput, a piece of what brain? Where did you see him there ?? A typical gimmick with the absence of the slightest intellectual thinking. Everything is on a conditioned reflex - to sleep, s_r_a_t_l, eat, yes, even "polish" with beer, jump and sleep ...
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        2. 0
          12 June 2015 19: 53
          They told you so in the Wehrmacht?
          In Germany, machine gunners were trained in special machine gun schools, so all the calculation numbers could replace each other. The simple ordinary infantry Hans had nothing to do with the machine gun. At the front, perhaps, one of them mastered the machine gun, but there was no such general training. Machine gunners were prepared for a single machine gun, both on the machine and on the bipod. Losses of machine gunners in the Wehrmacht were not as great as you write.
          By the way, in the Soviet army machine gunners were not prepared separately, however, as well as grenade launchers, but in vain - at least the high school fire brigade should have completed their profession, then the platoon / company would have higher fire capabilities ...
          1. Elk
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            12 June 2015 22: 22
            The simple ordinary infantry Hans had nothing to do with the machine gun.

            A simple ordinary infantry Hans should have been able to handle ANY small arms unit. Not only that, this same Hans or Fritz received skills of working with heavy weapons, up to 81mm mortars, topography skills, and artillery adjustment. He learned to work with communications and interact with tanks. But this, however, concerns Hans until the age of 41. Then the programs began to reduce, accelerate and crop ...
            And with the machine guns it turned out to be a very interesting thing. According to the experience of the First World War, it was known that a machine gun with a heavy bullet is able to spud targets at a distance of up to 5 km and to fire from closed positions. (Somewhere I had instruction on this issue, if it’s interesting, I can perikin.) The Germans very carefully analyzed this issue and began to prepare. Originally developed a machine gun and a machine for him. Moreover, the machine was very good. A universal tripod with a dispersion mechanism and a rolling carriage (honestly spioneril at the Danes, and the machine cost almost two times more expensive than the not very cheap MG-34). A very perfect periscope sight could be mounted on the machine. They also began to produce stereo tubes, rangefinders, theodolites and other compasses. Accordingly, you won’t hand anyone this wealth, so we began training the relevant personnel. But these cadres with all their economy almost completely went to the battalion machine-gun teams. And at the detached, platoon and company level, with the machine gun, an ordinary senior gefretor Kurt, as a rule, came in ...
            But as it turned out, almost all of these wisdom by 1939 were not really needed. At 5 km it is much more efficient and even cheaper to fire a couple of mortar mines or shells from a regiment (or even something more serious) than to fire several thousand rounds. Accordingly, the opening distance for a light machine gun was reduced to a maximum of 1000m, for an easel to 2000.
            1. 0
              13 June 2015 12: 04
              Quote: Elk
              According to the experience of the First World War, it was known that a machine gun with a heavy bullet is able to spud targets at a distance of up to 5 km and to fire from closed positions.

              Only now, not from the experience of the WWI but before it, it was then that theorists attributed machine guns to artillery and prepared to fire half-direct and from closed positions - a vivid example of our maxim on the 1910 Sokolov machine.
              1. Elk
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                13 June 2015 20: 42
                Only here is not from the experience of PMV

                That is what the experience of PMV is. Because it was precisely to the WWII that the necessary ammunition and technical equipment were created that made it possible to conduct such a fire in the most efficient way, and during the WWII they tried and tested it all.
                1. 0
                  13 June 2015 22: 51
                  Quote: Elk
                  That is what the experience of PMV

                  Quote: Elk
                  during the WWI, they tested and tested it all.

                  Well, hde logic? Those. before the WWII, gunsmiths worked, created machines with tricky quadrants, fine-tuning mechanisms, stoppers and levels, cartridges created animated bullets and all this just like that, without any thought to see what comes of it, the warriors taking new weapons to test and practice tactics and They scored ways to use new machine guns - and then bang and PMV, and already in the course of it it turned out that all these tricky gizmos on machines in a compartment with new cartridges allow you to shoot from closed positions! So what do you think? But in reality, what happened? Before the WWII, the military developed methods for using then new weapons, including by looking at the increased range and began to develop ways to use machine guns from closed positions, but the WWI was already there, and during it new methods were already successfully used.
                  1. Elk
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                    14 June 2015 09: 45
                    Those. before WWI, gunsmiths worked, created machines with cunning quadrants, fine-tuning mechanisms, stoppers and levels,

                    Show me at least one machine gun, production before PMV in which there would be a mount for a quadrant. Or sights, providing aiming is not direct fire. I assure you that you will look for them for a very long time.
                    And, in fact, do you know what a rough-fire mechanism on Sokolov’s machine was and what was it for?
                    chambers created animated bullets

                    Yeah. created specifically for machine gun firing from a closed position ... Do not tell my slippers. First of all, such bullets were created for firing from rifles. Just by the mid-10s, it became obvious that the cartridges of caliber 7,5-8mm (and this is primarily domestic 7,62x54R, English .303 and German 7,92x57I, French 8x50R) were significantly inferior in ballistics to cartridges in caliber 6,5, 7-1901mm. Hence the beginning of the development of pointed bullets. The first, as you know, the French choked, having adopted BalleD in 1905. Following the Germans began to rush with their s-bullet in 1908. Ours, having received a kick in the war with Japan, created a bullet of model 1910. The British, as always leisurely, gave birth to the MkVII by XNUMX. Of all these samples, only BalleD was really a heavy and long-range bullet. So here by.
                    fighters taking new weapons to test and practice tactics and ways to use new machine guns scored

                    Nobody scored anything. We practiced, tested, invented something. But only before the WWII, these were only preliminary studies and nothing more. And then really, bang, and the WWII began. And then it turned out that the infantry units, in addition to small arms, could not affect the enemy in principle. And the easiest machine gun turned out to be the most powerful standard weapon. So it was precisely on the battlefields of the initial period of the WWII that the preliminary hints became the methodology of warfare. Only this way and not otherwise.
                    1. 0
                      14 June 2015 13: 12
                      Quote: Elk
                      Or sights, providing aiming is not direct fire

                      Yes, damn it, you both amaze and amuse me - all your posts revolve around Deutsche, but even you really couldn't study them - a short educational program - in 1908. the German army adopted the MG-08 machine gun on the Schlittenlafette 08 machine, in 1912, notice not just like that, but according to the results of experiments and studies, the machine gun receives an optical mount and the machine is modernized for use with a panoramic sight by an employee, attention, for indirect fire .
                      Quote: Elk
                      Yeah. created specifically for machine gun firing from a closed position ... Do not tell my slippers. First of all, such bullets were created for firing from rifles

                      Oh damn how everything is started, although I’m to blame myself, I didn’t think that I would have to chew it, we are talking about specialized heavy bullets for machine guns - for Germany this is a cartridge with an Ss bullet, the development of which began simultaneously with the creation of the panorama for MG08, but the development was delayed right up to 1913 laughing it was then that drawings and technical documentation for it were approved, i.e. Germany entered the PMV already with a machine gun with sights for direct fire and a specialized long-range cartridge for it.
                      1. Elk
                        Elk
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                        14 June 2015 15: 52
                        Oh damn how everything is running,

                        Indeed, you have a very neglected guru complex.
                        Although in principle he’s to blame, I didn’t think that I would have to chew it,

                        I don’t have to chew for a long time, I can bite myself.
                        Here are just the posts you read extremely inattentively, and so much so that you refute yourself:
                        for Germany, this is a cartridge with an Ss bullet, the development of which began simultaneously with the creation of a panorama for MG08, but the development dragged on until 1913.

                        And how many pieces of modified machine tools, and special sights, as well as trained calculations, were in the German army by 1.08.1914? But at the same time, can you still find and show me the quadrant for the maxim of 1910g of the sample on the Sokolov machine?
                        In reality, as I already wrote, the technique itself was worked out only during the WWII. It is the methodology of application in practice, and not the polygon-theoretical developments.
                      2. 0
                        14 June 2015 22: 41
                        Quote: Elk
                        And how many pieces of modified machine tools, and special sights, as well as trained calculations, were in the German army by 1.08.1914

                        You already decide what you need - either the total presence of such in all howling armies or because of what you started srach i.e. to your theory that it’s kind of like it was first created, but how ento all to apply guessed only in practice PMV. laughing Following such logic, you can bring any thought to an absurdity, for example, I can say that at present no one in the world knows how to use ICBMs because there was no experience of real combat use of them.
                        Quote: Elk
                        But at the same time, maybe you can still find and show me the quadrant for the maxim 1910g sample on the Sokolov machine

                        I laughed, the quadrant appeared on it only in the 30th, but it doesn’t affect the general sense in any way, and I remember who recently brandished a picture of the captured Madsen in 1940 here. re-shot by the Germans in 1942 while stubbornly claiming that it was a 1922 turret machine gun. laughing
                      3. Elk
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                        16 June 2015 15: 00
                        You already decide what you need - either the total presence of such in all howling armies or because of what you started srach i.e. to your theory that it’s kind of like it was first created, but how ento all to apply guessed only in practice PMV.

                        In principle, a reference to the NSD on a machine gun where the methods of firing from a closed position of the publication TO 1.08.1914 would be clearly indicated for me will suffice.
                        If you can - provide. Personally, I found references to this in publications no earlier than the beginning of 1916.
                        but it’s not affecting the general sense,

                        That's just the effect. And very specific.
          2. Elk
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            12 June 2015 22: 44
            By the way, the machine gunners were not prepared separately in the Soviet army,

            How is it not cooked? Just prepared and selected ... The Germans in this regard was much easier, still there grew up 3-4 generations with compulsory secondary education. Unlike us. And it’s right to serve the same maxim, that song.
    2. +9
      10 June 2015 07: 05
      Quote: La-5
      It is very bad that in the army the real RPD machine gun was replaced with this RPK under-machine gun.


      Yes, the RPD was the best in its class, the best light machine gun, and the RPK is the same only with a heavy machine gun
      The PKK does not allow to provide the necessary fire density for covering the squad; therefore, they were replaced in intelligence by a PC and subsequently by a cookie with a shortened barrel
      1. jjj
        +4
        10 June 2015 08: 32
        Practical firing with ordinary arrows showed that there wasn’t much difference in the accuracy of hits between the machine gun and this machine gun. But carrying it is still a joy
    3. 0
      10 June 2015 09: 05
      "Pecheneg" serves the special forces well now, already on the way "Badger" is silent, with twice as good accuracy. Sooner or later, they will go to the Army, as the Germans gave the famous MG in their time to the Wehrmacht.
      1. +1
        10 June 2015 22: 51
        Badger is already history! No longer produced. It is in service with the Special Forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia.
        It is still composed ...
    4. 0
      10 June 2015 16: 03
      exactly. And I always had a weakness for machine guns, though in the city you won’t be very strong with him
  2. +4
    10 June 2015 09: 04
    In the 70-80 years, Kalashnikov with a group of assistants developed a PU-21 machine gun with combined power (tape + magazine), but the project was not accepted into the army. For some reason, the PKK organized the army then. And now, on the basis of AK-12, a new light machine gun is being prepared. It would be interesting to see him.
    1. +2
      10 June 2015 09: 33
      Quote: erased
      In the 70-80 years, Kalashnikov with a group of assistants developed a PU-21 machine gun with combined power (tape + magazine), but the project was not accepted into the army. For some reason, the PKK organized the army then. And now, on the basis of AK-12, a new light machine gun is being prepared. It would be interesting to see him.


      It would be nice if Dektyarovets made a light machine gun under the 5,45x39 cartridge on the basis of the Pecheneg, then he wouldn’t be valuable; he could safely have thrown the PKK into a landfill.
      1. +4
        10 June 2015 17: 18
        Light machine gun. PU-21.
      2. 0
        10 June 2015 22: 38
        Support.
  3. +3
    10 June 2015 09: 38
    And what about the promising machine gun Degtyarev decided not to write? But he also participated in the competition for a new machine gun, although he lost. Okay...
  4. +4
    10 June 2015 10: 57
    Most machine guns fire from an open shutter: before the shot, the shutter is in its extreme rear position, which, among other things, improves barrel cooling.Ts "Among other things" - this primarily affects the self-ignition of the cartridge in the heated chamber, the improvement in barrel cooling is so little that it should not be taken seriously.
    1. +5
      10 June 2015 12: 37
      Quote: gross kaput
      Most machine guns fire from an open bolt: before firing, the bolt is in the rearmost position, which, among other things, improves barrel cooling. C "Among other things" - this primarily affects the self-ignition of the cartridge in the heated chamber, the improvement in barrel cooling is so little that it should not be taken seriously.

      But to consider the PKK as a full-fledged machine gun is not entirely correct. In fact - this is an AK assault rifle with an elongated barrel on the bipod.
  5. +3
    10 June 2015 13: 52
    Quote: zyablik.olga
    But to consider the PKK a full-fledged machine gun is not entirely correct

    It is necessary to consider it as what it was considered by people who developed and adopted it - i.e. light machine gun. The fact that he does not shine like a machine gun is another question. I’ll try to explain in a simpler way - if you are buying a mobile phone that has a fancy camera with a higher resolution but at the same time has poor communication quality - this means that you did not buy a good camera, but a bad phone.
    PS By the way, a curious tendency has been outlined by the United States Transport Commission slowly changing the machine guns of the M249 squads to IAR 27 version of the NK 416 with a heavier barrel.
    1. +2
      10 June 2015 14: 17
      Quote: gross kaput
      on IAR 27, the NK 416 version with a heavier barrel.

      You mean it ...
      Caliber: 5.56x45 mm NATO
      Type of automation: gas exhaust, locking by turning the bolt
      Length: 838 - 937 mm
      Barrel length: 420 mm
      Weight: 3.6 kg empty
      Firing Rate: 700-900 shots per minute
      Store: 30 rounds
      The Infantry Automatic Rifle program was launched by the United States Marine Corps in the early 2000s. Officially, the goal of the IAR program was to replace the M249 SAW light machine guns at the level of infantry squads of the ILC (at the platoon-company level, the M249 machine guns are supposed to be retained). The IAR program, like its results, caused an ambiguous reaction, since instead of a full-fledged belt-fed light machine gun and a quick-change barrel, a conventional machine gun was adopted, albeit with a slightly weighted barrel. Initially, samples from companies such as FN, Colt and Heckler-Koch participated in the IAR competition, and it was the IAR variant from the German manufacturer of the NK that was adopted at the end of 2009 by the US IAR under the M27 IAR Infantry Automatic Rifle index. Interestingly, some observers consider the IAR program to be just an attempt by the USMC to get new carbines (assault rifles) into service, bypassing the political battles and budgetary debates that would have to go through if the program was announced to replace the M4 carbines, and not the out-of-date light machine guns ...
      In fact, the M27 IAR Infantry Automatic Rifle is a minor modification of the HK 416 carbine (assault rifle), and is no different from it in the arrangement of the main parts. M27 uses the same gas venting system with a short stroke of the gas piston, and shoots from a closed shutter. To increase the practical rate of fire and fire density, the M27 IAR submachine gun has a slightly more massive barrel, and in addition to the regular 30 cartridge magazines, it can be equipped with dual drum magazines for 100 rounds (from Beta Co) or 150 rounds (from Armatac). The M27 IAR assault rifle is equipped with a telescopic stock, open sights (front sight and diopter) on folding bases, an arm for attaching a bayonet-knife to the barrel.
      1. 0
        10 June 2015 14: 24
        But I basically like the Turkish clone. Automatic rifle (automatic) MKEK MPT-76 Mehmetçik-2, at worst smile RPK, 7.62x39-true "heaped up".
        The MKEK weapons concern (Makina ve Kimya Endüstrisi Kurumu) began work on the creation of a new 5.56mm machine gun for the Turkish army in 2007. The first 5.56mm caliber samples appeared by 2008 under the name Mehmetçik-1, and were constructively based on the German HK 416 rifle. However, in the future the Turkish army, based on its own wide experience of using weapons for different types of cartridges (7.62mm NATO in HK G3 rifles , 7.62x39 in AKM Kalashnikov assault rifles and 5.56mm NATO in HK 33 assault rifles) apparently decided that the new army rifle (assault rifle) should use NATO cartridge 7.62x51. As a result, in May 2014, the first batch of MKEK MPT-76 Mehmetçik-2 automatic rifles, structurally and outwardly similar to the German 7.62mm HK 417 rifles, was delivered to the Turkish Army units in May. The fate of the 5.56mm version of the same system is still unknown. The MPT-76 rifle designation stands for Milli Piyade Tüfeği - National Infantry Rifle.

        Automatic rifle (automatic) MKEK MPT-76 uses a gas automatic with a short-stroke gas piston located above the barrel. The barrel is locked by a rotary bolt with 7 combat stops. The receiver is made of aluminum alloy and is connected by two transverse pins to the aluminum box of the trigger mechanism, made integrally with the mine shaft. Cartridge feeding - from two-row magazines made of transparent plastic. The design provides a shutter lag. Butt telescopic, adjustable in length. Sights are mounted on an integrated Picatinny rail on the receiver. The rifle is standardly equipped with a front sight on a folding base located on the gas block and a folding adjustable aperture entirely on a removable base. In addition, the rifle is equipped with a quick-detachable carrying handle that has a longitudinal channel for using the main front and rear sights, as well as its own U-shaped front sight and rear sight for offhand shooting, at short ranges. Of course, the carrying handle can be easily replaced with a collimator, optical or night sight if necessary. On the forearm of the rifle, additional guides of the Picatinny type can be installed for attaching accessories, a bayonet-knife can be mounted on the barrel. [
    2. +1
      10 June 2015 14: 38
      Quote: gross kaput
      By the way, a curious tendency has been outlined by the U.S. ILC slowly changing the machine guns of the M249 squads to IAR 27 version of the NK 416 with a heavier barrel

      By the way, yes. In the West, such an opinion was formed that a full-fledged machine gun under a weak cartridge is of little use. Therefore, a reinforced assault rifle is more practical than a weakened machine gun. The truth is not the fact that it will manifest itself in our realities as well. Tactics and tasks are still somewhat different. Yes, and technical equipment too. So they want some comrades RPD caliber 5,45.
      1. +1
        10 June 2015 14: 51
        Quote: brn521
        So they want some comrades RPD caliber 5,45.

        Yes, here is some interesting information about the small-caliber machine gun.
        Multi-barreled machine gun XM-214 'Microgun' (Mikrogan) / '6-pak' (USA)
        The XM214 'Microgun' multi-barreled machine gun was developed by the American General Electric Corporation in the second half of the 1970s as a lightweight, small-bore version of their rather successful M134 Minigun multi-barreled machine gun. The XM214 machine gun was supposed to be used on light helicopters, from cars, as well as from an infantry machine (to protect strong points, and also to create a high density of fire when organizing ambushes). Despite the success of the big brother M134, the 5.56mm version of the Gatling system did not receive at least some noticeable distribution, due to both the very limited effective firing range (when used from a helicopter, the carrier found itself in the zone of effective small arms fire from the ground), and the lack of need in conventional infantry, weapons with a barrel have a high rate of fire combined with the need for batteries. The XM214 'Microgun' machine gun was advertised until the late 1990s, but then it slowly disappeared from both General Electric's advertising products and specialized directories. In the 1980s, it was tested by the US Army, but no orders were received for it (which explains the XM index - the experienced weapon was marked with the "X" prefix). It is not known about real experiments in shooting from the XM214 "in Hollywood" (ie, from hands), and it should be borne in mind that at a rate of fire of 6000 rounds per minute (100 rounds per second), the recoil force of the XM214 averaged about 45 kgf , at peak (maximum) recoil force up to 100 kgf.

        5.56x45
        Its possible use is only for the protection of public persons.
        1. +1
          10 June 2015 23: 53
          "..small caliber .."
          small caliber
  6. +3
    10 June 2015 13: 57
    Starry PKK, at least say something. Especially for long distances, in the steppe or in the mountains. A kind of long-barreled assault rifle, he needs to make a good upgrade.
    At one time I met 60 years of release, and "the fly did not sit on them."
  7. +1
    10 June 2015 15: 32
    Quote: gross kaput
    PS By the way, a curious tendency has been outlined by the United States Transport Commission slowly changing the machine guns of the M249 squads to IAR 27 version of the NK 416 with a heavier barrel.

    Nothing has changed regarding the M249, all are also 3 machine guns in the rifle division of the MP of 13 people, 1 in the fire group of 4 infantrymen. The thing is that the previous regular M16A2 and A4 rifles were not automatic, having a single and fixed mode of 3 shots, and the M27 has a fully automatic mode.
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      10 June 2015 23: 56
      Quote: k_ply
      M27 has a fully automatic mode

      Well, and what place does she then take in the fire team?
      Quote: k_ply
      still 3 machine guns in the rifle division of the MP

      Only taking into account the fact that there are 9 left in the company, three in each platoon and one per squad, something somehow does not grow together. Well, in general, this tramp has been going on since 249, and as far as is known in 2008, the ILC should finally go to the staff when the automatic riflemen in the fire team will be M2015 and 27 in the amount of 249 pcs. They will simply be in the company and will be issued to one or another team as necessary.
      1. +1
        11 June 2015 18: 07
        Quote: gross kaput
        Well, and what place does she then take in the fire team?

        It is not known whether IAR has been received in sufficient quantities to replace SAW? but in my opinion, if only instead of the M16A4 SAM-R (Squad Advanced Marksman Rifle), an analogue of the army SDM-R (Squad Designated Marksman Rifle), which, depending on the units, i.e. Rifle, reconnaissance, light armored reconnaissance (on BBM LAV-25) battalion, equipped with 4x32 ACOG sights, or Leupold Mk4 M3 3-9x36 (3.5x35 ACOG - in M27), and with the same task as part of the fire group, as suppression priority goals. M27 accuracy is higher than M16A4 (2 MOA, arc minutes, versus 4.5 MOA). And the M320 grenade launcher would not hurt her. Honestly, I poorly represent the M27 IAR as a RP.
        Quote: gross kaput
        Only taking into account the fact that there are 9 left in the company, three in each platoon and one per squad, something somehow does not grow together.

        This is the structure when testing in 4 rifle battles of each of the 4 divisions of the MP (1 of 3 light armored reconnaissance battles is also involved). The rifle company has 27 M249 and 6 M240Gs. In general, the replacement in rifle companies 18 M249 with M27 was supposed to take place between the spring of 2011 and the summer of 2013, apparently the generals of the ILC are still arguing, to prepare their infantrymen for cleaning up small groups of "dushmans" in special conditions (mountains, / p), or to a full-blooded war with a worthy and numerous enemy?
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  8. +1
    10 June 2015 19: 38
    You can argue for a long time about the pros and cons of the Kalashnikov light machine gun, but the half-century history of operation speaks for itself.
    in the post-war period in the USSR and later the "half-century" issue spoke a little about something else. And when military conflicts began, where the PKK was used, everyone immediately began to note its weakness as a machine gun.
  9. +3
    10 June 2015 19: 55
    When shooting while lying down or with the bipod resting on any object, the machine gunner could use his free hand to hold the weapon by the thin neck of the butt, which positively affected the accuracy and accuracy of fire.

    I don’t know who, where, how, we were taught, just to press the butt to the shoulder with your left, so as not to fade, the poster, the second option from the top left, shooting lying from the bipod, and so, this is really a submachine gun and short
  10. +1
    10 June 2015 23: 30
    According to the NATO classification, the PKK belongs to LSW (Light Support Weapon). In the West, this type of weapon is replaced by belt-fed machine guns and interchangeable barrels ("Minimi", MG-4, "Negev", "Vector Mini-SS", "Amelie", the latter in Spain are replaced by MG-4 in the ground forces, and on the "Minimi" in the MP), the Dutch marines remain the "reserves" for LSW ("Minimi" - in the ground forces), here they use the Colt mod. 750 of the Canadian production, the army of neutral Austria (AUG Stg-77 in the HBAR version), a number of LSWs, along with the Minimi machine guns, are used in the Danish (Colt mod. 750, Canada) and British (L86A2) armies. Neither the Beretta AS-70/90, nor the MG-36 have taken root either in the Italian army or in the Bundeswehr, respectively, and are not offered by manufacturers. Well, and perhaps Singapore is content with its own custom-designed Ultimax-100 machine guns, PDF brochure:
    http://www.stengg.com/products-solutions/products/ultimax-100-light-machine-gun
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      12 June 2015 13: 16
      Quote: k_ply
      ... belt-fed machine guns and interchangeable barrels ("Minimi", MG-4, "Negev", "Vector Mini-SS", "Amelie" ...

      In addition, it is worth mentioning the South Korean Daewoo K3 machine gun (http://www.sntdaewoo.com/eng/business/data/defence_catalog.pdf) and the German export HK23E (no longer offered by the company), both also under the low-impact 5,56x45 NATO cartridge.
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  11. 0
    11 June 2015 11: 52
    Behind the front mounts on the trunk were mounted sosh mountsek. In the transport position, they were folded and placed along the trunk. Unfolded bipodи held by a special spring.
    So all the same "bipodа"or" bipodи"? Before the" inspection of plywood, three-layer, armor-piercing "I was hammered in the army that "bipod at the machine gun one, legs she has two! " And on posters in the article everywhere - bipod ... request
    So, did the author overlook or was my "plywood" suffering in vain?
  12. 0
    11 June 2015 12: 04
    Quote: nerd
    So, did the author overlook or was my "plywood" suffering in vain?

    It looks like plywood wasted for nothing. Classmates are now in a strong minority, if not extinct. In the literature, mention of the bipod in the singular is rare, in single copies.
  13. 0
    11 June 2015 17: 48
    I remembered it all my life. In training, I carried it for six months. A fighter of average height is not very comfortable. On the run, the butt thrashes under the knee, and the bipod on the back of the head ... "Extract from the military card; RPK AM 0487 1pc 17.11.71/XNUMX/XNUMX ..."

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