No alternative bayonet




At a recent meeting of the General Staff, a positive decision was taken to leave the bayonet in the armament of the army. Questions about writing off this kind of cold weapons Began to be considered after the US defense department made a landmark decision to abandon the use of the knife-bayonet.

As for the idea of ​​leaving the bayonet in the “ranks”, there were many who spoke about the existing military and those who were in reserve or on deserved rest. Someone claimed that a bayonet is a truly formidable weapon that can always be saved by a fighter, even if the ammunition runs out. In addition, the bayonet, according to his supporters, is indispensable in melee, even when the enemy is equipped with a bulletproof vest. A bayonet can easily find places that are not protected: the neck, arms and legs of a fighter. The adherents of the idea that even the new machine gun, which will replace the greatest creation of weapon thought, the AK-74 machine gun, be equipped with a bayonet-knife, remind that this cold weapon also has a scabbard, in combination with which it can turn into nippers , and in a saw, and in a hammer. With the help of the knife bayonet, you can also set fire to matches! And how easy it is with his help to open a can of meat on a halt ...

However, in our country there are many opponents of the idea of ​​extending the life of a bayonet. These people declare that in modern combat, where digital technologies come to the fore, the use of progressive means of warfare and other technical innovations. In this situation, the bayonet becomes more like a certain amulet of the last century, which is unlikely to be able to provide real practical help.

No alternative bayonet


In general, as is usually the case, the decision was made at the highest level, and this decision has some pitfalls.

Of course, a bayonet can be called a real symbol of the army of recent years, a kind of artifact to which every self-respecting fighter treated and treats with real pietus. However, one should not forget that time has the ability to run, and with time man changes, his life activity, world views, ways to protect himself.

In the situation with the debate about the bayonet, we can say that he became a hostage of his time. If you try to “transfer” even the closest to your heart weapons from one era to another, then on the battlefields the Russian army must still move exclusively on horseback and on foot.

However, the decision in Russia regarding rearmament, as is often the case, is somewhat half-hearted: AK-74, we are said to have too much, and we will not use them, but we will leave the bayonets-knives useful. The logic is at least strange!

Regarding whether to leave or not to leave a bayonet, the controversy went beyond the ocean. The Americans decided that their knight-bayonets would not be useful to their soldiers and supplied the firearms with an additional five-shot quick-fire gantry pad. But about the melee of American fighters are taught not to forget. From the spring of this year, after the US military had to abandon the knife-bayonet, the soldiers were trained in close combat with all that was at hand: stones, sticks, and so on.

However, the Marines did not express a desire to abandon the bayonet, although they also used this type of knives for the last time in the American-Vietnamese war. Representatives of the command of the forces of the marines say that the ability to handle a bayonet can be useful to soldiers in current wars - in the same Afghanistan.

In the new American military stories There are cases when Captain Millett was awarded the Medal of Honor for destroying an enemy firing point at 180 for skillful use of a bayonet.



It should be recalled that the bayonet for AK-74 (the product "6х5") was used in the Russian army during the last 22 years. During this time, it managed to appear its new modification for the Nikonov machine gun (bayonet-knife with horizontal attachment to the trunk of AN-94). Russian fighters continue to be trained in hand-to-hand combat with the use of a bayonet and machine gun butt. For general physical training this is not bad. But whether a bayonet is needed in all army units without exception today is an open question.
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  1. Gur
    Gur 13 October 2011 07: 58 New
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    I can’t say anything about the image at the top .. I can’t say anything about the bayonet .. I haven’t seen it, but with the other two .. I served .. and I didn’t like the additional weapons, they are very fragile. One not careful movement (threw 2 times into a tree))) and the blade broke. (then so many proceedings ..). If the army needs a bayonet, it’s the same knife he drank and everything else .. make it really reliable and durable. And he’ll always come in handy.
    1. Vadivak 13 October 2011 10: 07 New
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      I agree with you, the old man was fragile, it turned out to open normally, but as a bayonet I think the knife can be used and you can and should IMHO of course
    2. KASKAD
      KASKAD 19 December 2011 17: 39 New
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      Quote: GUR
      About the image at the top .. about the bayonet I can’t say anything .. I haven’t seen


      This is a Czechoslovak bayonet knife like the machine on which he is dressed.
      Modern Russian knives are the most sloppy in the world, they didn’t write the truth about the Americans; they only removed the fasteners from the knives from the knives
      rifles knives as they were on equipment and remained
      For example, such a knife has been in service since 1942

      Ka-bar




      This company entered the history of knives by developing the famous knife of the US Marine Corps of World War II. The company traces its history back to 1897, on an American scale, this is the same ancient production as for Russia - Tula arms factories. The slightly Arabic name Ka-Bar is said to have come from a letter from a semi-literate Wild West hunter who wrote a letter of praise to the company about how he hunted grizzly and his gun misfired, he only had a knife at his disposal with an angry beast. The hunter wrote as he spoke and, at the same time, spoke in terrible English so that he killed the bear - “Kill A Bear”. All that could be distinguished from his letter was the letters “ka bar”
      CaBar was originally a division of United Cuttlery of Olean. During the war, it produced knives for the Marine Corps along with many other knife companies. By agreement with the Pentagon, they put the brand of the manufacturer on these knives - KaBar. The Marine Corps quickly transferred the name of one of the United Cuttlery of Olean factories to the knife they liked, and all USMC Fighting / Utillity began to call KaBar regardless of the manufacturer.
      In recent decades, KaBar was owned by the largest key maker, but several years ago it was bought by knife maker Alcas. Now KaBar is reborn, and goes back to the leading position in the American and world knife industry, which once occupied by right.
      Soon after its appearance in the mid-1920s, the KA-BAR trademark became widely known and respected. There were many versions of where the name KA-BAR came from, but all the evidence points to a letter received from a fur hunter. This letter was the best recommendation for the company.
      The fame was brought to the company by the famous USMC knife, which has been in service with the US Marine Corps since World War II.
      In addition to various military modifications, the company also produces hunting, tourist and folding knives. In modern models of knives, the company uses new materials, new technologies and new design solutions.


      Can your knife do that?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BvhDSmoscI&feature=player_embedded

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYbEf-JKZnA&feature=fvwrel
      1. komsomolets 23 October 2013 22: 45 New
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        How much does it cost?
  2. Denis 13 October 2011 08: 31 New
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    Issues to write off this type of cold steel began to be considered after the American defense department made a landmark decision to abandon the use of a bayonet-knife.


    Taburetkin's office receives instructions from there?
    then I do not envy the servicemen, so soon, according to the Pindos example, in our army will all sorts of 3,14 people be considered for people?
  3. Mahamont
    Mahamont 13 October 2011 10: 58 New
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    In the photo above, a Czech machine gun.
  4. sancho 13 October 2011 12: 55 New
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    Bayonet knife needed! Need and good quality, in this sense I join the opinion of "GUR". Not a single self-respecting commando goes on a mission without a knife. And whether it is necessary to cling to the trunk or not in some situation, this is no longer visible from the office .... And, someone will save life!
  5. kostiknet 13 October 2011 14: 21 New
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    remove the knife - and when the cartridges run out (and they always end sooner or later) the fighter is armed ..... with a club? A knife in battle and campaign is a "+1" chance to survive, but it can’t be anything for the cabinet, if they are at war with anyone, it’s only with the same .. odes on TV.
    1. raf
      raf 13 October 2011 14: 35 New
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      I agree, the knife is a +1 chance, only you need this chance to be very high quality!
  6. ZEBRASH
    ZEBRASH 13 October 2011 14: 32 New
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    A bayonet knife is definitely needed! He’s not so big, heavy and unnecessary to refuse him smile
  7. kesa1111
    kesa1111 13 October 2011 14: 35 New
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    The bayonet knife from AK 100 can and should be improved. Amer is preparing for war without nuclear weapons, so they rely on electronics. But .... who will give them such guarantees?
  8. Evil Tatar
    Evil Tatar 13 October 2011 14: 41 New
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    I saw a scout’s knife in WWII films ...
    I think THING!
    1. Tyumen
      Tyumen 13 October 2011 21: 03 New
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      Look at the forum at the veil of my link, this is a modern version of HP.
    2. revnagan 10 January 2012 21: 47 New
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      I’ve read such a knife, I saw a dock movie. It's a good thing for its time. However, it’s the 21st century in the yard. It’s like amers know how, but the famous Zlatoust steel was made in Russia. That would be to cross new ideas with tried and tested technologies. And you will need a bayonet in the army for a long time.
  9. Nova 13 October 2011 14: 42 New
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    Why not leave something like a multitool or a Swiss knife as a compulsory equipment for a soldier, with the possibility of attaching to a weapon if desired or necessary?
    1. wasjasibirjac 2 December 2011 16: 36 New
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      and multitool and Swiss knives are primarily a TOOL, it is intended for WORK and not for BATTLE. You try to attach the multitool with pliers as a bayonet, so human rights activists will attract you for your cruelty to the enemy. so in the equipment you need a bayonet knife or a combat knife and a multitool or another tool knife
      1. Denis 2 December 2011 17: 04 New
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        Quote: wasjasibirjac
        human rights activists will attract you for their cruelty to the enemy

        isn't it time for all this right-wing-read CIA-shushera on a bayonet or multitool, which is at hand?
        the bayonet has existed for centuries, talk about its uselessness is at least stupid
        can then cancel the forks and kitchen knives, how many killed them?
  10. LESHA pancake
    LESHA pancake 13 October 2011 15: 12 New
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    JUST FUNNY THIS READ A GOOD KNIFE MAY DO MUCH IN SKILLED HANDS.
  11. Whole 13 October 2011 18: 07 New
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    The bayonet-knife is definitely needed, only of the proper quality
  12. nnz226 13 October 2011 21: 29 New
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    Quote: "However, in our country there is also a lot of the opponent of the idea of ​​extending the life of a bayonet-knife. These people say that in modern combat, where digital technologies come first, the use of advanced means of warfare and other technical innovations." And that melee is not supposed? even in limited wars and counter-terrorism operations? Or laptops to hit the helmets of the enemy, bursting into the trench, house, bunker, especially if (according to the law of meanness) the cartridges in the horn ran out, and there was no time to replace them?
    1. HISP ELDERLY
      HISP ELDERLY 17 October 2011 19: 18 New
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      In modern hand-to-hand combat, Nato’s fighters will beat the enemy with a laptop!
    2. wasjasibirjac 2 December 2011 16: 40 New
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      No, you need to turn on the laptop, put Doom-2 and offer the opponent to play. the loser leaves the trench
  13. senya
    senya 13 October 2011 21: 38 New
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    The bayonet-knife is made of high-carbon steel, so it’s brittle ... It’s not designed for throwing ... if it sticks between the ribs, it can get stuck .. and so it broke it and then ran with the gun ..
    1. ESCANDER
      ESCANDER 13 October 2011 21: 54 New
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      Pinned! - Bayonet - the knife between the ribs may get stuck ...
      Che did not hear such cases!
      For me, it is nonsense that at the "meeting of the General Staff" such questions are generally considered! Do more neh ...? If wooden, then Suvorov would have been studied.
      1. Tyumen
        Tyumen 13 October 2011 22: 14 New
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        Actually, in hundreds of military books I read, this was mentioned quite often. * Stuck * doesn’t mean you can’t pull it out, but just a hitch in a few moments, which are expensive in melee. Remember Remarque - * The time to live and the time to die *, as experienced soldiers advised to beat with a bayonet in the stomach, and not in the chest.
    2. valex
      valex 23 September 2012 21: 54 New
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      The bayonet-knives are made of carbon steel, hardened to 56 units by RCL, by the zone hardening method. (The blade and blade are heated to different temperatures). The KA-BAR advertised above is processed according to the same principle (in the carbon steel version). If the material is stainless steel (440C), which has a higher viscosity, then the entire blade is heated to the same hardness (this steel can be hardened, only aging is required after hardening )
  14. PSih2097 13 October 2011 22: 25 New
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    Let's start with the fact that the bayonet is an outdated thing, except for the daily ones ... It's time to cancel it and introduce the LDCs with multi-tool ...
    1. Andrey_Nik 14 October 2011 20: 24 New
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      What to enter ??
      Scout knife shooting? with multitool?
      1. PSih2097 14 October 2011 20: 29 New
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        separately HP, separately multitool ...
  15. Vyalik 14 October 2011 13: 56 New
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    Of course, I served a long time in 1975. but I remember from hand-to-hand fighting that the bayonet often gets stuck in the cross, and not between the ribs. Moreover, when applying a direct piercing strike, the bayonet is usually removed with some rotation. But the bayonet is needed, even if it's a +1 chance, but it's still a chance .
  16. SIA
    SIA 15 October 2011 14: 44 New
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    The bayonet is needed, anyway. This "parquet and wedding generals," from their warm cabinets in Moscow, do not need anything. And the bayonet is an indispensable thing in close combat when the ammo runs out.
  17. vlakprof
    vlakprof 16 October 2011 03: 53 New
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    He doesn’t need a bayonet at all.
    It seems that the last time they stabbed someone at the beginning of Afghanistan.
    But for show off and beauty, you can attach an adapter to the old tetrahedron.
  18. zczczc
    zczczc 16 October 2011 04: 01 New
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    A knife is absolutely necessary for a soldier to survive anywhere, especially in the forest. The knife is a universal tool. And if you need it just like a knife, then why not make it compatible with the machine? Universalism is useful.
    1. revnagan 10 January 2012 21: 56 New
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      A survival knife and a bayonet-knife are not exactly the same thing. Why attach a slingshot to an ordinary bayonet-knife, put fishing line, hooks, matches and a condom in the handle? This will only increase the cost of the product. The bayonet knife should be simple, convenient, of high quality material. A completely abandoning the bayonet is stupid.
  19. SL.Kocegar
    SL.Kocegar 22 October 2011 12: 06 New
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    This is how to remove the bayonet? The Russian founders of the bayonet battle and the best in this matter. Stop looking at America, we have a completely different road
  20. dred
    dred 23 October 2011 19: 08 New
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    I agree with the opinion
    SL.Kocegar.
  21. patriot64
    patriot64 9 November 2011 08: 52 New
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    A bayonet is needed unambiguously. In a situation where an American with an empty machine gun and in a bronik will stand against our fighter, even without a bronik, but with a bayonet there will not be any disputes, whose top will be! But strength is needed! He broke it in the army, then I was tortured to write pieces of paper, to peck in outfits and communicate with the special police officer. An elder, stsuka, he was even promised to be planted!
  22. Reader
    Reader 16 February 2012 05: 50 New
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    I think the time of the bayonet knife has passed. You just need a KNIFE. To each fighter. And the training of skills to work with him as close as possible to combat conditions.
  23. CHIM SMOKE
    CHIM SMOKE 14 May 2012 17: 52 New
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    TO the bayonet - TO BE! But how do you excuse me to carry out the service in outfits, and to instill love and care for weapons in everyone who only knows how to press buttons ??? these are traditions going deep into history !!! Traditions in the army to be!
  24. valex
    valex 23 September 2012 21: 35 New
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    Gentlemen, in the photo the first version of the bayonet to 47, modeled after Mauser
  25. shaman-25rus 20 January 2015 21: 17 New
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    bullet fool, bayonet -fellow. needed. definitely.
  26. sds127 1 November 2015 20: 02 New
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    on Rusnife they made a good model