Contradictory LaGG-3

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In 1940, to replace the I-15 and I-16, which, as the last battles in Spain showed, no longer met the requirements of the time, new fighters were designed and built at an accelerated pace: the MiG-3, Yak-1 and LaGG-3. Moreover, the creators of the latter, engineers S. Lavochkin, M. Gudkov and V. Gorbunov, immediately took a new and very advantageous technological position for that time - to create an aircraft of predominantly wooden construction.

At that time, a kind of "know-how" was wooden "composites" such as kaplurite, balinite, bakelite - types of plasticized wood, which had high strength. Their introduction into production promised great savings in steel pipes and expensive duralumin parts, of which, by the way, the Yak and MiG cores were made.

Delta wood at the time was certainly a progressive material. Its technology was developed by the chief engineer of the plant of screws and skis L. Ryzhkov. By the way, he even organized a small design team of enthusiastic engineers to build a “purely wooden” fighter, the I-22. These developments have benefited from the creation of the fighter, which received the designation And-301.

Contradictory LaGG-3


In just one year, by the winter of 1940, an experimental I-301 was already produced, which received the code LaGG-1. On March 30, pilot A. Nikashin made his first flight in a magnificent dark cherry car, polished to a mirror finish (no wonder it was given the nickname "Royal"). The new aircraft successfully passed all the tests, and Gorbunov, Gudkov, Lavochkin were officially assigned OKB-301, appointing the latter as a responsible designer.

The top leadership of the USSR Air Force for the LaGG-1 fighter with the M-105P engine with a power of 1050 hp. set the characteristics: maximum horizontal flight speed - 650 km / h, maximum range - 600 km. With additional hanging tanks not less than 1000 km, flight altitude - up to 12000 m, armament - 23 mm rapid-fire cannon, two ShKAS machine guns and large-caliber BS, as well as the possibility of hanging eight RS-82 rockets.

Such was the tradition then: the military asked for as much as possible, knowing that the production workers would, as always, give a little less. And so it happened. At the state tests, the LaGG-1 squeezed out only 605 km / h at an altitude, and the designers realized that the M-105P was rather weak for their aircraft. The practical ceiling turned out to be somewhat underestimated - 9600 m, and the landing speed was slightly overestimated - 140 km / h. In addition, dive flights, mid-air shooting, aerobatics and spins were not performed. But the LaGG-1 was still of undoubted interest to the Air Force in terms of the new delta wood building material, weapon power and other qualities. The next resolution of the Defense Committee ordered to continue work on the LaGG-1, for which it was supposed to build 25-30 aircraft for comprehensive military tests in the shortest possible time.



According to the conclusion of test pilots P. Stefanovsky and S. Suprun, LaGG-1 was distinguished by its clean and elegant aerodynamic forms. But there was some lack of engine power. The visibility from the cab is good, except for the rear hemisphere. The cabin is spacious, but there is not enough ventilation. Maneuverability in flight is satisfactory, but the loads on the ailerons and elevators are somewhat high. In terms of piloting technique, the aircraft is obedient and simple. Vibration at high speeds was not observed.

At the same time, the LaGG-3 test pilots had comments on the design of the LaGG-1 during state tests. When landing, the lower guards of the wheels were clogged with grass. A bad tail wheel stopper did not provide stability on the run, the rubber tire had to be replaced with a balloon. In the cockpit, the cranes for cleaning and releasing the flaps and landing gear were inconveniently located, the pilot could confuse them. There was no trimmer on the aileron, and this created difficulties for balancing the aircraft. The axial compensation of the elevator and ailerons is insufficient. The engine hood locks are inconvenient for work: it took 20-30 minutes to uncap the engine. To open the necks of gas tanks and water systems, several types of keys were required, which complicated the work of technicians. Installing the battery is inconvenient and took a long time - up to 15 minutes.

After the completion of state tests, the commission stated that the flight data of LaGG-1 is not lower than that of all modern domestic aircraft with M-105 engines. "LaGG" is distinguished by powerful weapons. The all-wood construction gives room for production and technology. On serial machines in the future it is necessary to improve the longitudinal dynamic stability by creating a more forward centering, up to 22%. The flight weight of the aircraft is clearly large and should be somewhat reduced.

When finalizing the LaGG-1, the commission proposed to bring all small arms, improve the power plant and eliminate all defects. Thoroughly test the aircraft for spins, steep dives and aerobatics. After that, the car must be again transferred to the Air Force Research Institute for control tests. On the plane, it is desirable to install a TK-2 turbocharger on the M-105P engine or a more powerful AM-37 engine.



By the fall of 1940, the LaGGa design triumvirate fell apart. Lavochkin from Moscow went to the head plant in Gorky, Gudkov led a group of designers in Moscow, Gorbunova seconded to Tbilisi.

The design of the aircraft was wooden, mainly made of pine, birch plywood and veneer. Delta-wood was used in the ribs and individual power elements of the front part of the fuselage, as well as in the flanks of the wing spar. Armament LaGG-1 consisted of a 23-speed gun Taubin mm, passing through the axis of the gearbox aircraft engine and two synchronous machine guns BS and ShKAS.

On tests in June 1940, the aircraft showed good results. But we must remember that it was lightened and polished to a mirror finish. It lacked a TK-2 turbocharger, bomb racks and electric droppers, a radio station, and armor protection on the pilot's seat. After the fuel supply was increased on the second LaGG-1, it was put into large-scale production simultaneously at several aircraft factories under the name LaGG-3. Additional tests for aerobatics, dives and spins of the aircraft were again carried out by pilot Nikashin. Unfortunately, in the future, in 1943, he died while testing the Gu-1 aircraft, Gudkov's design, made according to a scheme similar to the American Aerocobra.

A lot of trouble brought to the tests and LaGG-3. Pilot A. Kubyshkin made a flight with retractable skis, one of which tore off the rack from the air and hit the stabilizer. The elevator was damaged, and the uncontrolled aircraft entered a steep dive. With incredible efforts, Kubyshkin managed to jump out of the cabin and escape by parachute.



On the eve of the war, in May 1941, Stalin held a regular meeting with representatives of the high command aviation and the leadership of the aviation industry, at which the head of the Air Force Research Institute A. Filin reported on the progress of testing new fighters and bombers. He spoke rather harshly about the flaws in the work of the aviation industry. He also said that Pe-2, Yer-2, Su-2 combat aircraft, as well as new Yak-1 and LaGG-3 fighters, were presented for state tests that had not been completed and had not completed factory tests. Moreover, the latter was of particular concern: with its most powerful weapons, it urgently needed to increase engine power. LaGG-3, like the Yak-1, was desperately needed by our Air Force. History fully confirmed this: until the summer of 1944, the Soviet aircraft factories built the 6528 LaGGov.

The mass production of the new front-line fighter began in 1941. Its weight after re-equipment increased by 70 kg. This is where trouble awaited: during mass production, the aircraft lost the gloss that distinguished the "Royal" - a prototype, and the flight performance of the machine, of course, deteriorated somewhat. The speed dropped to 550 km/h, the rate of climb and range decreased.



Before mass production, the Defense Committee put forward another requirement: to increase the range to 1000 km instead of the planned 600 km. Additional tanks were placed in the wing consoles. The control flight Moscow-Kursk-Moscow was performed on the new machine, after which the aircraft received the name LaGG-3. The serial LaGG-3 had excellent weapons. In addition to the ShVAK and VYa-23 cannons, in 1942-1943 they produced versions with the Shpitalny Sh-37 and Nudelman NS-37 cannons. That is why in battles LaGG-3 was often used on attack.



In the course of operation at field airfields, some serious shortcomings of the aircraft appeared: airflow suction of the landing flaps, an extremely limited view of the rear hemisphere, a tendency to stall when flying at low speeds. The LaGG-3 fighter was significantly inferior to the Yak-1 in terms of weight return and compact design. The design of the LaGG-3 with the same engine and almost equal armament was almost 300 kg heavier. The reason for this was primarily the wooden fuselage structure compared to the truss structure on the Yak-1. There was also a difference in weight between the wings: the LaGG's wing had console attachment points, while the Yak's wing was one-piece. But in terms of survivability, the LaGG, and even more so its successors, were unsurpassed.

Subsequently, starting from 1942, the LaGGov model modified each of the three designers of the former triumvirate independently. A brief analysis of the improvements LaGG-3, of course, interesting and instructive.

The Gorbunov group owns five different modifications. The "lightweight" LaGG-3 was built with an uprated VK-105PF engine. Due to the absence of part of the armament and equipment, weight reduction was achieved. In 1942, several copies were built. Aircraft "105" - a lightweight version with a VK-105PF2 engine. The first copy was made in the spring of 1943, and the Understudy passed state tests in the spring of 1944, but the armament and power plant were not brought to it. The LaGG-3 with the VK-107 engine was created in 1943, it was obviously unsuccessful, since all flights ended in an emergency landing due to the unstable operation of the engine. LaG-5 with ASh-82 engine. This design has become a kind of approach to "La-fifth". The tests took place in 1942, but the aircraft did not go into production due to many shortcomings. And finally, the LaGG-3 66th series - modernized according to the recommendations issued by TsAGI and the Air Force Research Institute. It was the last serial "LaGG", which was in production from the spring of 1943 to the summer of 1944.



Under the leadership of Gudkov, two modifications were made. Gu-82 - with the ASh-82 engine. The propulsion system here was borrowed without changes from the Su-2 bomber. Back in March 1941, the first copy was made. They did not manage to build the second one - the evacuation of the plant prevented. The last one is the K-37, with the cannon of the Shpitalny Sh-37. Built three copies. By the winter of 1941, this fighter had successfully completed military tests at the front, and was put into production in a small series.



Significantly modernized LaGG a group of engineers led by Lavochkin. This is LaGG-3 with a 23 mm MP-6 cannon designed by Taubin. His tests passed in early 1941. Next - LaGG-3 "fighter tanks", the modification on which the 37-mm Sh-37 cannon was installed. In the winter of 1942, the first production series of these aircraft passed military tests. A group of fighters sent to the troops in combat sorties destroyed more than fifty enemy combat aircraft and 5 tanks. However, the Sh -37 wasn’t properly worked out and often refused.

It should be noted that all the huge work on modifications LaGG-3, as we see, was not worth the money spent on it. Except for a single case, the development of a variant for the M-82 engine.

Here is a curious testimony of the old test pilot, Hero of the Soviet Union I. Fedorov, who served in 1941 at an aircraft factory in Gorky, where LaGG-3 was produced: “In July, Deputy Commissar of the Aviation Industry P. Dementyev arrived at our plant. He checked all the technical documentation for the aircraft LaGG-3 on a very sad occasion.It turned out that with three chief designers, the production of LaGG-3 was mastered by factories near Moscow, Gorky, Novosibirsk, Leningrad and Taganrog.At the same time, the drawings and technological maps of various options were often confused, and many details turned out to be unsuitable for assembly. There was also a marriage. In a word, the LaGG-3 turned out to be a kind of "dark horse" for the Air Force. The aircraft were stamped in large numbers, and the flight performance deteriorated. I don’t remember any of the combat pilots praising the LaGG. Figuratively speaking , it is valuable only as fertilizer, on which the unsurpassed La-5 fighter subsequently grew up. Well, Fedorov has the right to his personal opinion on this matter.



So, in March 1942, pilot Nikashin made the first flight on the LaGG-3 with an air-cooled M-82 engine - the prototype of the later famous La-5 fighter. Its design, compared with its predecessor, has changed slightly, mainly affecting the propulsion system and the front of the fuselage. Scarce delta wood was gradually replaced with Scotch pine, and in 1944 metal wing spars were introduced. The fuselage design was changed slightly. The armament consisted of two 20 mm ShVAK synchronous cannons.

The first La-5 was built at the end of 1941. Then carried out improvements and factory tests. In May 1942, joint tests of the LII and the Air Force Research Institute took place. La-5 was immediately launched into large-scale production, and the takeoff power of the M-82 engine was increased to 1700 hp. At an altitude of 6000 m, the speed of the aircraft reached 600 km / h. And soon the La-5FN appeared - an even more powerful fighter, which has already significantly surpassed the German Bf.109 and Fw-190. But that's actually another topic...

Be that as it may, LaGG-3 is an honored air veteran soldier. Armed squadrons fought with the superior Luftwaffe forces in the skies over the Crimea, the North Caucasus, Leningrad, the Moscow region and Stalingrad. You can talk about the combat advantages and disadvantages of the LaGG-3 for a long time, and you cannot tell about it in one article. Therefore, here are just a few facts.



The first known victory on the LAGG-3 in an air battle was won on July 13, 1941, and belongs to Senior Lieutenant A.V. Bondarenko, who destroyed the Nazi bomber Do-17 near the city of Dorogobuzh. This fight was LaGG's first baptism of fire. In the future, the LaGG-3 proved to be most effective in air defense units when repulsing the fascist attack on Moscow in 1941, as well as in the air defense of valuable strategic objects. Both high survivability and powerful weapons were useful in the fight against bombers, but speed characteristics were no longer so critical.

But even in air battles with enemy fighters in capable hands, LaGG also demonstrated its qualities very effectively. The famous Soviet ace G.D. Kostylev successfully fought from 1941 to 1943 on this machine against the Germans and Finns, bringing his combat score to almost 30 enemy aircraft during this time. Fighting on the LaGG-3, he earned the title of Hero of the Soviet Union and P.M. Kamozin.

The options armed with a 37-mm cannon turned out to be effective. At the beginning of the Great Patriotic War, three cannon LaGGs arrived near Vyazma. During one of the sorties, Senior Lieutenant Pereskokov shot down two Me-110s, having used up only 12 shells. The LaGG-3 ended the war in 1945 in the Far East, where it was used during combat operations against Japan as an air defense fighter to provide cover for stationary objects.



By the way, the often recalled insulting nickname “The Lacquered Guaranteed Coffin”, contrary to almost universally accepted opinion, was not used at all during the war years. It appeared at a later time - after the publication of a book dedicated to the works of S. A. Lavochkin.

About this plane, experienced aviators say anything: strange, ambiguous ... But there is also the opinion of an old experienced aviation engineer: “La Fifth” is certainly our best mid-war fighter. He could have appeared much earlier, start Lavochkin immediately to make LaGG-3 with an air-cooled motor. Yes, it is clear, not destiny. ”



Sources:
Ivanov S. LaGG-3 // War in the air. No.68. C. 3-7.
Bakursky V. LaGG-3 Fighter - 75 years // Aviation and Cosmonautics. 2015. No.3. C. 2-4.
Kudrin N. LaGG-3 - “Dark Horse” // Wings of the Motherland. 1999. No.5. C. 1-4.
Yakubovich N. Unknown Lavochkin. M .: Yauza, Eksmo, 2012. C. 16-17, 26-28, 33-36.
Yakubovich N. Planes Lavochkin. M .: RUSAVIA, 2002. C. 18-19, 35-37.
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  1. 677
    +11
    29 May 2015 06: 24
    The future aviation marshal Skomorokhov began to fight on LaGG-3 and spoke well of him. And another interesting story is how Gorbunov brought Stalin a sample of delta wood and he poured ash on it from his pipe and wanted to check how flammable this material was. Delta wood passed the test.
    1. +10
      29 May 2015 06: 55
      Quote: 677
      and he poured ashes on him from his pipe he wanted to check how flammable this material is. Delta-wood passed the test

      I must say that an ordinary board would also not catch fire.
      In general, even though LaGG-3 was worse than the Yak-1, Hurricane and P-40 were even worse. Generally, a really controversial plane.
      1. +9
        29 May 2015 13: 42
        You are wrong, and your delusions are of a systemic nature. Let's leave the Allied equipment outside the scope, let's just say that these were sufficiently advanced machines that have been in production and in service for several years. Only the presence of a really functioning radio communication on board puts these aircraft on a higher level compared to our "new type" fighters. LaGG-1/3, with all its shortcomings, ALWAYS almost completely met the requirements of the Air Force, and by the way, they are not taken out of their heads and reflect, on the one hand, the needs of aviation in the context of the doctrine of warfare, on the other hand infrastructure for providing such, in particular, the availability of equipment and auxiliary systems, such as shielding of on-board electric networks, the presence of a system for filling fuel tanks with inert gas and their protection, booking, the availability of equipped suspension points for additional weapons. Against its background, the Yak-1 looks simply armed with sports - an aerobatic machine, and many people forget about the problems of the Yak with the thermal conditions of the VMG, which is why its real rate of climb (from 0 to 5000m) was lower than that of the LaGG.
      2. +5
        29 May 2015 13: 49
        you can’t definitely say worse is better
        many aircraft have their own specifics!
        At Lugg-3, the problem was mainly in the fact that he was slowly gaining energy, but if an experienced pilot controlled Lugg-3, then this shortcoming could be circumvented by a competent choice of actions. But the combination of fuel supply and speed at altitude of the first modifications made it capable, for example, of escorting tactical bombers.
        The same P40 also had its advantages: for example, its dive speed was higher than that of the bf-109 or yak-1.
        1. +2
          29 May 2015 14: 45
          Quote: 677
          The future aviation marshal Skomorokhov began to fight on LaGG-3 and spoke well of him.


          Hmm ... but I heard a little different. He loved this plane like the first woman. But he said so - "The coffin - it is the coffin. It was necessary - and not so ... they flew, because it was necessary."
    2. +8
      29 May 2015 18: 57
      My friend is engaged in repairs. In the old Soviet house - the five-story building of Stalin, there are wooden floors. They made a fire on it - if only henna! Blackened only slightly.
      There was no shtroborez, the grinder sawed a channel in the floor - the disk was enough for a meter. Passed in front of hellish Soviet wood, and even more hellish Soviet polyester enamel. Even sparks flew from her!
  2. +7
    29 May 2015 06: 54
    He did not play a special role in the hostilities, but was a serious groundwork for the creation of the subsequent excellent LA-5 fighter, which was produced in mass quantities.
    1. +16
      29 May 2015 07: 33
      And what special role should he have? For example, in the Moscow direction in early October, the headquarters transferred 7 air regiments from bottom 2 to LaGG-3 at the end of October 1941, the entire fighter aviation of the Kalinin Front consisted of 39 LaGG-3 and 17 MiG-3. again in the LaGG-3, they were much more often used to attack enemy troops than the Yak or MiG, thanks to their powerful weapons. In 1.01, there were 1942 LaGG-23s in the Red Army Air Force. so he played his role, the role of a fighter, not badly, at least confirmation of how many of our future Aces began to fight on LaGG-3,7, and how many German aces were shot down by pilots flying on LaGG -3,14 ... that's his whole "special role" ...
    2. +11
      29 May 2015 08: 01
      Quote: bistrov.
      He didn’t play a special role in the fighting,
      I do not agree because 6258 aircraft of this type were issued. Soviet pilots - aces fought on LaGGs

      Quote: bistrov.
      was a serious groundwork for the creation of the subsequent excellent fighter LA-5, produced in mass quantities.
      And here I completely agree with you and I want to add that the fifth engine part of the La was inherited from the Polikarpov I-185, which didn’t get into the series (in the picture below, the I-185 fighter)
      1. 0
        29 May 2015 13: 51
        and you compare the nose of su-2, la-5, and-185. Outside, they are very similar, but the designs are different.
      2. 0
        3 June 2015 19: 16
        You are wrong. VMG La-5 was made jointly with the Shvetsov Design Bureau, and that is why this fighter with the M-82 went into production. Other design bureaus were not able to independently debug the cooling of the M-82 (including Polikarpov's design bureau). Moreover, they differed in the weapons integrated into the VMG - Polikarpov had three guns, Lavochkin had two.
        1. +2
          20 June 2015 16: 22
          And when did NNPolikarpov have problems with cooling the M-82 on the I-185? There were definitely M-71s, but these are really different motors, unfortunately, the designer relied on the M-71, and with the M-82 he made a "fallback" option.
          The scheme with an adjustable "skirt" provided a greater cooling margin than the "scoops" of "Benches".
          Three 20-mm guns were placed not only on the I-185, but also on the La-7 part, and on the La-9 as much as 4x23 mm, just the motor allowed putting up to 5 synchronizers. The installation sites of the guns, and the deployment of ammunition are already insignificant details.
    3. +9
      29 May 2015 11: 57
      Quote: bistrov.
      Did not play a special role in the fighting

      But I do not agree. The aircraft, released in thousands of copies, fought on all fronts until 1944, could not but play a role in the fighting. Just a question, what would happen if it weren’t?
      Quote: bistrov.
      about was a serious groundwork for the creation of the subsequent excellent fighter LA-5

      La-5 is also different. The first of them, the same, if you follow your logic, were so-so. Even in the report, based on the results of military tests on the Stalingrad front, the main conclusion was that this aircraft can only conduct a DEFENSIVE battle against modern German fighters, not to mention the fact that the pilots called "La-5" "stove", from - due to the intense heat in the cabin.
      1. +3
        29 May 2015 13: 54
        Quote: svp67
        Just a question, what would happen if it weren’t?

        and there would be Yak-1 in a limited number, and -16, which could not catch up with bf-109, and -15bis and Миг1 and Миг-3, which had just begun to master in parts (it took about a year to begin to be effectively used )
        1. +7
          29 May 2015 15: 40
          At the beginning of the war, the concept of tactical use of aircraft was purely intuitive.

          One hundred percent versatility cannot be stuffed into any aircraft. Therefore, there were wild distortions. For example, the excellent I-16 aircraft received the title of obsolete. Only by the fact that he could not effectively fight at an altitude of 5000 m against front-line bombers and their escorts. But it could well cover front-line formations at altitudes of 3000 m, from attack aircraft. Then the Yak-1 and Yak-3 came to replace him.
          1. 0
            1 June 2015 12: 08
            for another reason, the i-16 became obsolete: due to unstable aerodynamics and other details, this aircraft was very nimble, but also difficult to fly.
            Therefore, only real aces could manage it well, and given that its speed was insufficient for an active bf-109 attack, it turned out that many aces did not use their air combat skills properly and risked unjustified losses. Thus, the operation of the I-16 in 41-42 was a waste of valuable personnel, because there were Laggs, there were MiG-3s. And the beginners, who on the donkey could cope with attack aircraft, could not cope with the aircraft itself. Even in the elite air defense regiments, the I-16 was not normally used by all pilots, and some were even forbidden to land on it.
            Another complication of the donkey was that training aircraft were biplanes and it was impossible to fully learn how to pilot them.
            1. 0
              9 June 2015 19: 42
              Support.
            2. +1
              20 June 2015 16: 26
              Well, did you have a training Uti-4 based on Ishachka? Here, in theory, after mastering more simple piloting machines through it, pilots should have been allowed to pass.
            3. 0
              15 July 2015 14: 51
              Quote: yehat
              and given that its speed was insufficient for an active bf-109 attack, it turned out that many aces did not use their air combat skills to the full extent and risked unjustified losses.

              read Drabkin "I fought in a fighter plane" His collections of "memoirs" fully confirm what I read back in the 80s: the latest versions of the I-16 were practically not inferior to the 109th in the 41st, there were few, but they were. The real combat speed (not to be confused with the maximum possible) was almost equal (the difference was 10 km), cannon armament and better maneuverability on horizontal lines (unfortunately, vertical ones lost). The requirement to fly in threes led to losses several times greater than it could have been, and here the plane is not to blame.
              1. 0
                15 July 2015 15: 50
                Quote: 4-th Paradise
                (difference in 10 km)

                sealed up - no more than 40 km I will add about
      2. +3
        29 May 2015 15: 30
        Only La-5FN earned the name best. And again, the Yak-3 is also a magnificent aircraft.

        But each aircraft has its own mission.
        Yak-3 front-line fighter. Direct cover of troops from attack aircraft. La-5 escort fighter, instantly-3 high-altitude fighter with an engine that produced excellent characteristics at high altitudes over 7000 m.

        Lag -3 is rather an air defense interceptor. He worked on bombing aircraft. The reason is good weapons, the power of a second salvo. And good structural strength. But as a front-line fighter, not very much. Due to the greater weight, general inertia and weak engine. Again, the ceiling for comfortable combat is not high enough for a high-altitude fighter, and the range is short for escort.

        With the development of tactical use, aircraft should have been used according to their characteristics. Since it makes no sense to send Mig-3 to front-line work at low altitudes and in stained-glass windows. And the I-16, which is simply tearing everyone in this area, should be sent to shoot down strategic bombers that go at altitudes of 9 m.
        1. -1
          1 June 2015 12: 15
          You didn’t specify 2 more details: the reference Laggs had good speed at altitude (above 600) and at the same time had a large range (almost 1 times more than the Yak-2 !!!) and you said that it had a small radius. The tank was reduced for the Lagg-3 66 series, but its performance characteristics also increased.
          he became much closer to Yak-u.
          more...
          Yak-3 and Lagg-3 takes too much time, they should not be put in simultaneous use.
          Finally, the last: intercepting even tactical aircraft requires a quick approach to the target. The I-16 did not have high speed and was not very suitable for this reason. The best that the I-16 could do was to conduct a defensive battle and guard the IL-2.
          Ju-87D at full speed at 2 km altitude actually flies at the same speed as the I-16. How to intercept it ???
          1. +1
            15 July 2015 15: 20
            Quote: yehat
            Ju-87D at full speed at 2 km altitude actually flies at the same speed as the I-16. How to intercept it ???

            Ju-87D: production of this model was launched in September 1941 to 1944; ... Maximum speed: 408 km / h
            Ju 87G: produced 1941-1944., Maximum speed: 375 km / h
            Maximum, and not cruising, on which they really flew.

            I-16 type 18 (produced since 1939): Maximum speed
            at altitude, km / h / m: 413/0 - 461/4 400

            I-16 types 28, 29, 30 - like type 24, but the M-63 engine is gearless - the maximum speed is 489 km / h at an altitude of 5000 m.

            you crap one's pants with your statements.
            1. 0
              15 July 2015 15: 52
              I’ll add about German fighters:
              Messerschmitt Bf.109C, Bf.109D Bf.109E. it was they who fought at the beginning of the war (the first Bf.109F appeared only in the summer of 1941.)
              so Bf.109D-1 had a maximum speed of 460 km \ h, and Bf.109F-2 is already 573, but its real combat speeds were less than 470 km \ h.
  3. +14
    29 May 2015 07: 09
    The main thing is that the plane was made from what was available, and he fought. Thoughts that it would be nice if he were from duralumin, and the engine would have to be different, and the eleven cannons are not fair. It is now customary to ask and demand, and if anything, blame the rat, and then there was a terrible time and much was decided.
    1. -1
      29 May 2015 14: 01
      but I don't agree!!! instead of obscure quantity stamping, we could better ensure quality. What was the point of stamping i-16s in tens of thousands if the planes fell into disrepair after a year of operation? Let there be 2 times fewer aircraft, but serviceable, mastered by pilots, normally painted and having passed high-quality maintenance with a high percentage of radios. As a result, after losses due to confusion, the race for quantity, etc., the USSR had even fewer fighters, and of worse quality, and in combination with large losses of pilots, we also had additional losses due to the human factor.
      1. +3
        29 May 2015 16: 12
        There was not enough aviation aluminum needed. Therefore, the "Rus Faroe" was used. However, the material turned out to be suitable enough to get not a bad air fighter in his field of application.

        Lag-3 is not a bad plane. But it’s hard for him to fight with Messers. For this LA-5FN.

        It is also difficult for Messers to fight mortally from I-16 and the earth. Wherever God forbid, they will lose speed on maneuver and do not have time to go to a height. Their little ones just to shreds. 100% death
  4. +6
    29 May 2015 07: 11
    Well, the memoirs of I.Efyodorov are very specific, therefore self-respecting people for 12 years (at least) do not refer to them.
    The LaGG-3 was not so bad as some young deputy commissars tried to show it. The same G. Barkhorn recalled how in 1942 on the Stalingrad front he "spun the carousel" with a lone LaGG-3 for almost 40 minutes, and so could not bring him down. The same N.M. Skomorokhov recalled how Messers squeezed him in the first sortie, and he returned without a single hole. Well, such a fact 249 IAP received LaGG-3 in FEBRUARY (!) 1943, before that the regiment flew the Yak-1, the regiment fought on LaGGs until the end of 1944, after which it was re-equipped with La-5fn. Pilot 131 IAP D.P. Nazarenko in the fall of 1942 shot down 4 Bf-109s in one air battle.
    Well, according to the article itself, to be honest, the article is so-so, most likely recalls a note from the Technique of Youth.
    1. +3
      29 May 2015 09: 41
      Quote: Fitter65
      Well, the memoirs of I.Efyodorov are very specific, therefore self-respecting people for 12 years (at least) do not refer to them.

      I think so, the author has the right to decide who to refer to, especially if these words are quoted as a quotation and, moreover, accompanies them with the comment "Well, Fedorov has the right to his personal judgment on this matter."
      And I will say this, the opinion of test pilot Hero of the Soviet Union I. Fedorov, who knows LaGG-3, is not by hearsay, and it means something. At least, no less than the so-called "self-respecting people" who, not seeing a living LaGG-3 in life, sitting on the couch 60 years after the war, believe that its participants may know less about those times. Fedorov has earned the right to his opinion. Your categorical attitude towards the Hero of the Soviet Union is simply not beautiful
      1. +1
        29 May 2015 10: 07
        They are different heroes. And about Ivan Efgrafovich, many veterans at one time expressed their opinion. And LaGG-3 was not the only one he experienced ...
      2. +1
        1 June 2015 12: 21
        Lagg was good at turns and small vertical maneuvers if he had a reserve of energy (speed + height) because. aerodynamics was well licked + it was necessary to understand the engine adjustments. An experienced pilot could provide this. The problem is that there were not many of them, and there was no one with a large raid on Lugga. The newcomers did not rationally use the engine and aerobatics capabilities, due to which the lack of Lagg, its low power-to-weight ratio, began to strongly affect.

        With a loss of speed, the Lagg wing also worked worse, maneuverability sharply decreased. By the way, sometimes because of this, when landing
      3. 0
        22 June 2015 00: 13
        Those who sit on the couch often read a lot. From idleness of course. But the quantity and quality of information received over the years he has the right to speak out in line with the collected and systematized information.
    2. +7
      29 May 2015 09: 49
      [B]
      Quote: Fitter65
      Well, according to the article itself, to be honest, the article is so-so, most likely recalls a note from the Technique of Youth.


      In my opinion, the article is at the level of articles from the journals "planes of the world" or not monographs from the journal "Aviation and Time". I don’t think that monographs will be in demand on the site indicating all the differences between the 66 (!) LaGG-3 series, in the style of “the antenna was moved to the left side, the radio station, unlike the previous series, they posted ..” or descriptions of the wing profiles. For this, there are thick monographs for "advanced" amateurs. And here it is short, but almost all the most important, and in a language understandable to any reader.
      1. 0
        29 May 2015 10: 21
        The planes of the world don’t pull up to the level ... Yes, how the planes of the 11th series differed from the 14th is not necessary, but the fact that from 1 to 4 series there were only machine guns could be indicated. Yes, and about the fact that the LaGG-3 was originally planned to be equipped with a more powerful engine M-106, but because of its lack of knowledge, they began to put the M-105, as well as on the lighter Yak, it was possible to write, or at least the photo could be signed so that the non-advanced reader could distinguish the prototype from production aircraft in the photo. And here it turned out briefly, but it could have been shorter. Like "Before the war in the USSR, the LaGG-3 fighter aircraft was put into series." , and not these twitchy and poorly docked passages from various sources. hi
  5. +2
    29 May 2015 07: 21
    The first copy of LAGG was literally "licked" and therefore showed good results. And the conveyor samples were not so well polished, therefore they flew worse, gained height in steps, as it were :)
    1. 0
      1 June 2015 12: 27
      conveyor belts were also licked, but could not provide a stable high-quality finish
      and at aerodromes, support for paint quality was generally ignored. Winter coloring and Yak-u and Laggg-u reduced speed by 20-40 km / h. (was rough and sharply increased air resistance)
      One of the aces cleaned and measured his plane with his skin - the speed increased by 30 km / h.
      1. 0
        15 July 2015 16: 02
        Quote: yehat
        conveyor belts were also licked, but could not provide a stable high-quality finish

        no one licked, like the I-16. I read about the latter in my memoirs that after grinding by the pilots themselves, its speed increased by 15-20 km.
  6. -1
    29 May 2015 07: 42
    Pavel Rychagov unflattering statement cost his life
    1. +3
      29 May 2015 10: 05
      Another tale about Stalin the tyrant ... But the fact that there could be OTHER reasons for the repressions against Rychagov did not occur?

      No article: neither good nor bad. Another chewing already published materials.

      For those interested in LaGG-3, I can recommend "People, Time, Airplanes" by Rabkin, who was a test engineer for LaGG-3.
      1. -3
        29 May 2015 13: 32
        Quote: tolancop
        And the fact that for repressions against Rychagov there could be OTHER reasons does not occur?

        Bring them, at the same time you can give the reason why his wife was sent to the camps
  7. +5
    29 May 2015 07: 43
    As quite authoritative comrades have repeatedly said, the Soviet leadership did not have a coherent doctrine for the use of fighters in the coming war. The nature of the upcoming hostilities was not very clear. Only one thing was clear - the speed and power of weapons. Hence the variety of types of fighters adopted for service before the war. In the end, everything fell into place after the start of the war. High-altitude MiGs were not useful, their engines were needed for Ils, La was born from LaGG, and Yak successfully survived everyone and went on the rise from success to success. Yes, and for LaGG, everything could have turned out differently, if there had been another liquid-cooled engine, more powerful and lighter. But what happened, happened, and history cannot be rewritten.
    1. AAV
      0
      29 May 2015 10: 32
      I would like to add that the state of affairs in the aviation industry on the eve of the Second World War, in my opinion, is not badly described in the book by Mark Solonin "At Peacefully Sleeping Airfields". There is also about LaGG fighters.

      (I won’t be surprised if I get a bunch of minuses for the link to the author’s book setting out his view on the events of the Second World War different from the official history ...)
    2. +2
      29 May 2015 16: 25
      High-altitude MIGs were not useful because the Germans did not have strategic aircraft, such as the Americans with their B-26.
      Strategists go at high altitudes where fighters do not get them. And they’re not aiming, but down the squares to heights of 5-6 m.

      The Germans had front-line bombers that worked at lower altitudes. Therefore, the height of the MIG-3 was not in demand.

      On the other hand, the Germans wildly lacked a high-altitude fighter. So these B-26s had nothing to bring down. For this purpose, only at the end of the war did they manage to create a high-altitude less successful engine on the FV-190 with the index D.
      1. +1
        29 May 2015 16: 41
        Quote: gladcu2
        So these B-26s had nothing to bring down.

        The ceiling of the b-26 "Marauder" is 6600 thousand meters. , so how do you say there? Did the Germans wildly lack an airplane with a ceiling of 6 thousand meters? Oh well....
        1. 0
          29 May 2015 19: 20
          Checked on wikipedia. I do not argue. But read an article about the German high-altitude. FV-190D, it required stability of the engine at altitudes of 9000 m. And they had serious problems with the creation of the compressor. the plane turned out to be not reliable and heavy. On the other hand, the mustangs, escort aircraft felt very comfortable on the set. Mustang has 12700 m ceiling.

          Not everything was correctly described for characteristics from memory and intuitive on general principles of application.
        2. 0
          29 May 2015 21: 19
          Ceiling 6 600 000 thousand m? But!
    3. 0
      15 July 2015 16: 11
      Quote: inkass_98
      In the end, everything fell into place after the start of the war. High-altitude MiGs were not useful, their engines were needed for Ils, La was born from LaGG, and Yak successfully survived everyone and went on the rise from success to success. Yes, and for LaGG, everything could have turned out differently, if there had been another liquid-cooled engine, more powerful and lighter. But what happened, happened, and history cannot be rewritten.

      that's just the Su-1 / Su-3 was not launched into the series, despite the fact that with an empty weight of 2495 kg and the M-105P engine it accelerated to 640 km / h.
      And further down the list. ...
  8. +6
    29 May 2015 08: 00
    We must pay tribute, the aircraft fulfilled its role ..
    1. s1н7т
      +2
      29 May 2015 18: 30
      Quote: parusnik
      We must pay tribute, the aircraft fulfilled its role ..

      I would say - he did his duty. "Air Workers Wars" - this is about him.
  9. +1
    29 May 2015 08: 51
    Quote: parusnik
    We must pay tribute, the aircraft fulfilled its role ..

    I agree! And they did quite a lot, the army demanded. LaGG is made from available resources. With aluminum, there is a problem, there is a shortage. Of course, engine power is not enough for a rather heavy aircraft. On La-5, engine power (M-82) increased by 70-80% . hi
  10. +6
    29 May 2015 09: 01
    LAG_3, was a well-designed aircraft, but:
    1. It was designed for the M106 engine, which it never received.
    2. Deltadrevesin was produced using phenolic resins imported and during the war industry was not up to its development.
    3. Replacing delta wood with wood simplified production, but raised the mass of the glider.
    4. The increased fuel supply as well as ltx in addition to range did not improve.
    5. The quality of production since the outbreak of the war decreased catastrophically (speed up to 505-545 km / h), plus worn out engines that were repeatedly sorted out, plus RBV pylons, inexperience of pilots, flying with an open lamp, locked to the maximum of radiator flaps, poor quality of painting, etc. d.
    The German twisted loops with an experienced pilot and most likely on the LAG of the latest releases with trimmed weapons and an M 105 PF engine.
    In general, the car was just damp and it was brought only by 1942, but Lag_5 had already appeared and with the new engine M 82 the car found a second wind.
    With regard to Western aircraft, everything is so, but they are fully consistent with the declared performance characteristics and had reliable radio equipment with excellent quality plex lights, which for a long time did not have ours.
    1. 0
      29 May 2015 14: 48
      Quote: Fotoceva62
      Regarding the western planes, everything is so, but they are fully consistent with the stated TTH


      What do you mean?
      Especially the Airacobra, right?
      For "Pterodactyl-Harrick" I am generally silent.
      1. PPD
        +2
        29 May 2015 14: 59
        And why suddenly Pokryshkin did not want to leave the cobra. And in aviation, speed in battle is far from the most important thing. Do not be like Comrade Stalin. Do not want to talk about Hurricane in vain during the battle for Britain, he ditched many enemy aircraft. See how everything is ambiguous.
        1. 0
          29 May 2015 15: 11
          Quote: PPD
          And why suddenly Pokryshkin did not want to leave the cobra.

          He considered Yak weak in terms of firepower, and on La it seemed like one of the pilots of the regiment crashed.
          1. 0
            30 May 2015 14: 33
            Who got used to which aircraft, Kodezhub fought on LA-5 and shot down 62 enemy aircraft
          2. -1
            30 May 2015 14: 33
            Who got used to what airplane, Kodezhub fought on LA-5 and 62 enemy planes were shot down
        2. s1н7т
          +5
          29 May 2015 18: 35
          Quote: PPD
          Do not be like Comrade Stalin.

          Why not? It was the USSR under his leadership that won the war, and not Germany or the USA with their mongrels. So comrade Stalin is an example to follow for many more generations!
  11. +4
    29 May 2015 09: 45
    With all due respect to the author, I can not consider this publication devoted to the controversial LaGG-3 fighter successful. request It seems that the article is "pulled" in places from various sources that are not always consistent with each other. Alexander "freaked out" especially a lot with weapons. The armament of the first production vehicles included - a UB machine gun that fired through the propeller hub; two UBS machine guns mounted above the engine and two more ShKAS machine guns in the same place. 23 mm air guns were tested on the LaGG-3, but were not used on serial machines. The number of aircraft with 37 mm air cannons was very limited, due to excessive recoil, large weight and dimensions of the gun, low reliability, and small ammunition load, such fighters were not popular among pilots.
    1. +1
      29 May 2015 16: 13
      The LaGG-1 produced by the Taganrog plant had the following armament: 1x23mmMP-6 + 1x12,7mmBK + 2x7,62mmShKAS. Even before the war, most (not all) of these vehicles were returned to the factory and underwent a "medium repair" with rearmament. MP-6 gun design Taubina had a number of parts of a "limited resource" and at that time was no longer mass-produced. The production of LaGGs at the Taganrog aircraft plant was curtailed and the extra ShVAKs that were not included in the plan were not given to the plant. On this issue, there is a letter from Gorbunov to SNKPOO with a request for a replacement (never adopted) MP-6 on BK. Later, LaGG-3 (late 41-42g) with weapons 1x23mmVYA + 1x12,7mmBS were produced (extremely not rhythmically) by plant No. 381 in Leningrad. In my opinion, these were overhauled / restored cars (especially since the main products of the plant were IL-2). Nevertheless, in the military acceptance report they appear as new.
      1. 0
        3 June 2015 20: 10
        I may be mistaken, but then it was decided to include in the plan new cars arrived for repair at the manufacturer. That is why there have always been disputes over the number of vehicles produced.
  12. +3
    29 May 2015 10: 09
    Quote: Bongo
    The armament of the first production vehicles included - UB machine gun, firing through the screw hub; two UBS machine guns mounted above the motor and two more ShKAS machine guns in the same place. 23 mm airguns were tested on LaGG-3, but were not used on production vehicles.

    LaGG-1 had a cannon, all LaGG-3s from series 4 also had a cannon. A heavy machine gun of more than 6500 copies had a little more than 200 vehicles. If I were talking about the LaGG-3 in general, I would name as weapons: a 20 mm caliber gun and a heavy machine gun and two ShKAS, and simply ignored the 200 vehicles of the first series. Although the monograph should mention each series. But, this isn't a 140-page monograph, is it??

    About
    Quote: Bongo
    23 mm airguns were tested on LaGG-3, but were not used on production vehicles.
    You are greatly mistaken. The first LaGG-3 of the 8th production series rolled off the assembly line at the end of 1941. Some machines of this series were armed not with a 20 mm ShVAK cannon, but with a 23 mm VYA-23 cannon, also located in the collapse of the cylinder block. LaGGs armed with a "large-caliber" gun did not receive any distinctive designations. As they were issued, either ShVAK or VYa-23 was installed on the aircraft, depending on which gun was available.
    1. +1
      29 May 2015 10: 30
      Quote: qwert
      You are greatly mistaken. The first LaGG-3 of the 8th production series rolled off the assembly line at the end of 1941. Some machines of this series were armed not with a 20 mm ShVAK cannon, but with a 23 mm VYA-23 cannon, also located in the collapse of the cylinder block. LaGGs armed with a "large-caliber" gun did not receive any distinctive designations. As they were issued, either ShVAK or VYa-23 was installed on the aircraft, depending on which gun was available.

      TKB-201, also known as VYA-23, was mass-produced only in the 1942 year. They were not even enough for the Il-Xnumx, where they were much more in demand, let alone fighters. In addition, for the fighter they were heavy and had a strong return. One way or another, VIA-2 did not receive mass distribution on LaGG-32.
    2. 0
      29 May 2015 19: 45
      All is correct. On such an inertial plane it made sense to put heavy weapons. Since the only possible use and necessary is a battle with low maneuverable goals.

      Lug could not wage a battle with a well-powered maneuverable opponent. And machine guns are against fighters. There, even the requirements exactly play the opposite value, and machine guns can be installed in the wings.
      The principle of accuracy is based approximately on this: the closer to the center of the longitudinal axis of the aircraft, the higher the accuracy.
      For combat with a maneuverable target (fighter), machine guns in dispersed wings coped best, creating a cloud of bullets.
      The P-51 is often criticized for this concept, forgetting that the Mustang is an escort aircraft and its target is enemy fighters.
  13. +1
    29 May 2015 10: 19
    Interestingly, and who fought on LaGG with an inscription in Georgian?
  14. -1
    29 May 2015 10: 52
    In one of the German museums, among the letters from the eastern front of the fascist pilots, I saw a letter where the German pilot described one of the methods of air combat, after determining the model of our aircraft, he goes up from our fighters with a candle, and then sharply down and up again. If our pilot tried to repeat this maneuver and catch up with the German, then our fighter's plane, with a sharp climb out of this "pit", the wings simply came off and our plane fell down. In the same place, in the letter, this German gives the reason for this, because "some of the Russian planes were made of wooden materials." Interestingly, but Lagg was not among those fighters who also folded their wings during a sharp climb from the "pit"?
    1. +11
      29 May 2015 11: 31
      And I read a letter from the front of Private Alibabaev, which describes the following method of tank combat - you take a grenade, you approach the tiger, you knock on the hatch, the German asks - who is there? You answer - delivery of beer, the German opens. According to Alibababaev, in this way he personally destroyed 58 tanks and 34 armored personnel carriers, but did not receive an award, because his superiors were very jealous of his success with the female and recorded all his victories on other fighters.
      1. +3
        29 May 2015 11: 47
        Quote: MooH
        beer delivery, the German opens

        Moreover, this technique was adopted by other fighters on other fronts. So, according to reliable sources, 157 Italian tanks were destroyed, but there the fighters knocked on the armor with the words "Pizza delivery". Later, this technique was used against the Japanese, already with the words "sushi delivery". In Korea and Vietnam, the phrases varied somewhat, from "morning mail" to "cold cola". In all cases, the command was jealous of the fighters, because this is not documented anywhere.
        1. 0
          29 May 2015 13: 02
          Brothers, the most significant thing .....
          all these suppliers of beer-pizza-cola-water, etc. ... women were unmeasured. They and them (to the women, that is, also delivered).
          Therefore, the guys were not lucky - others received awards for them.
          But - female attention. This is more interesting.
          ...
          And about the article - I liked the article.
          Someone needs monographs, someone scrupulously calculates the difference in the series.
          And I believe that such a presentation of the material is quite suitable, we are not going to oppose the doctoral tea.
          There is such a site - airforce.ru ... airforce.ru So there, the most interesting and murderous are the recollections of war veterans.
          So there, everyone unanimously says - maximum speed and combat speed - WELL, a VERY big difference.
          Why, in fact, the I-16s quite confidently fought with the Messers. And even - I-153. book "In the sky of Moscow".
          ...
          At the same time drew attention to the table - and what we see.
          LaGG 4 series, rate of climb 700 m / s, LaGG 66 series - 893 m / s. Yak-Xnumx has even less.
          Well, Messerschmitt - climb beyond the limits.
          What is this talking about? On the specific power, thrust-weight ratio, the speed of the maneuver.
          Here lies the success of the German car. Until experienced pilots were upgraded.
          And how experienced Germans disappeared, how our cars appeared, which are not inferior to German ones - here the battle for heaven turned out to be lost. Germans, Germans.
          ...
          And yet - the main plant for the production of LaGGs - Tbilisi was.
          Is it necessary to talk about the quality of air collectors in Tbilisi during the war? If even in the 90 of the last century all electronic engineers could not stand the assembly of the Transcaucasian factories.
          And the whole trick. Khachapuri instead of trimmers.
          1. +5
            29 May 2015 17: 02
            I can not approve your passage about the quality of air collectors in Tbilisi during the war. Tbilisi Aircraft Plant is the Factory named after Evgeny Taganrog Dimitrova. And to explain the poor quality of aircraft by its location in Tbilisi is inappropriate. I hope you understand me.
      2. +1
        29 May 2015 14: 48
        An interesting attempt was the last rejuvenation of LaGG-3. Under the leadership of Gorbunov, a modification was built under the index "105". Visually distinguished by a teardrop-shaped lantern. The first copy showed a speed of 612 km / h, with a take-off weight of 2812 kg. For the end of 43, the beginning of 44, these were no longer outstanding data, and he could not compete with the Yaks. release was deemed inappropriate.
    2. 0
      29 May 2015 17: 56
      Don't read nonsense.

      Yeah, wait, fly and break off my wings. And he ripped off so much. At the first candle, a couple of kg of charge would be dropped, launched at a speed of 1000 m.s.
    3. s1н7т
      +4
      29 May 2015 19: 00
      Whatever ours flew, they fought to the last chance. We had a tavern, which was kept by a certain Philip (this is the 60s), a former Luftwaffe pilot, who flew a Messer. In the room above the tavern hung his then uniform - all crosses and medals. Philip once said that he began to fight on the Eastern Front. I don't remember where. It did not fly long - it was shot down. After the hospital, he was sent to the Western Front, where he grabbed his crosses and prayed not to be sent back. "Yours fight desperately, unpredictably and inventively. I don't like it, but I respect it." How is it, from the lips of a fascist ace? He was the owner of the tavern, he didn’t work in the hall, of course, but when they informed him - SA officers came, went downstairs, ordered a glass for everyone and said a toast - “So that we never fought again!” Enemy score is the best score.
    4. +2
      30 May 2015 19: 53
      V. Lavrinenkov, Hero of the Union, "Return to Heaven". I read it out as a child before the "holes". From there: the Yak-3 was unsurpassed in vertical combat, for which the French from the Normandie-Niemen were especially fond of it, the LAGG-3 is heavy ... but as it dived and was tenacious, the powerful cannon knocked the Messer apart with one queue.
  15. +9
    29 May 2015 11: 09
    Quote: Grigorievich
    Interestingly, and who fought on LaGG with an inscription in Georgian?


    History is silent about this. In the photo LaGG-3 of the 66th production series of the 88th IAP, North Caucasus, 1943. The 88th IAP was armed with aircraft purchased with funds from the working people of Georgia. On board the fuselages of these fighters, in Georgian was written "Soviet Georgia" - Sabtchota Sakartvelo.
  16. -2
    29 May 2015 12: 31
    Soviet pilots deciphered the name of the LaGG aircraft as "lacquered guaranteed coffin".
    1. +2
      29 May 2015 18: 03
      Who invented such a characteristic is not known.

      But to talk about LAGG in this form I would refrain. For two reasons. In wartime you could be imprisoned, but in peacetime you could also get in the face from knowledgeable people who disagree with this point of view.

      For example, I strongly disagree.
  17. +4
    29 May 2015 15: 00
    Quote: saag
    Quote: tolancop
    And the fact that for repressions against Rychagov there could be OTHER reasons does not occur?

    Bring them, at the same time you can give the reason why his wife was sent to the camps


    Willingly ... I will allow myself to quote from "The Human Factor" by Y. Mukhin:
    “But this meeting was not the last for Rychagov. That fatal - the Main Military Council, which considered the reasons for the high accident rate in the Air Force, took place in early April 1941. It was there, during the report of the Secretary of the Central Committee G.M. Malenkov“ on this question ", Rychagov took yes and blurted out:

    “You make us fly on coffins, and then reproach us with a high accident rate.”

    Stalin, pacing along the rows of chairs, froze for a moment, changed his face and quickly came close to Rychagov, without even “editing” the phrase, said: “You shouldn't have said so.” And having said it again, he closed the meeting.
    A week later, on April 9, 1941, by a resolution of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks, Rychagov was removed from office and doomed to death. "
    ....

    .... an unprofitable commander, instead of looking for ways to do things, will always look for those to blame - those to whom he will blame his flaws, his laziness and stupidity ... ..


    Let's now ... .. evaluate the described .... a sketch at a meeting of the Main Military Council of the USSR.
    Any accident has only two reasons: poor qualifications (training) of personnel and low quality of equipment. So let's ask ourselves a series of questions.
    • Who ordered the aircraft from aircraft designers? Politburo? No! Without the head of the Air Force Directorate, it never did, the “coffins” were ordered by the head of the Air Force Directorate - Levers.
    • Who took the aircraft into service? Politburo? No, without Rychagov, the Politburo never did this; the final word was for Rychagov.
    • Who took low-quality equipment from aircraft factories? Politburo? No, the people appointed by Rychagov.
    • Who organized maintenance and quality control in aviation regiments? Politburo? No, the people appointed by Rychagov.
    • Who developed pilot training plans and monitored their implementation? Politburo? No - Levers.
    • Who approved flight plans? Politburo? No - Levers.
    • Who flew airplanes? Head of Air Force Leverage? No - ordinary pilots.
    If we didn’t have airplanes, but “coffins”, then who personally ordered them from industry, and who personally made them fly? Levers and General Colonel Reshetnikov in unison say - Politburo !!!
    Receive from the Politburo official salaries, cabinets, personal cars and airplanes, luxury apartments and dachas - Rychagov and General Colonel Reshetnikov completely agree on everything! And how to answer for your laziness and stupidity, then the Politburo is to blame for them.
    See how Rychagov clung to the victims of disasters from his sloppiness: “You force us ...” That is, the flightless Rychagov, the unfortunate Politburo, too, turns out to be forced to fly “on coffins ...”
    Stalin's reaction is absolutely understandable, because he believed that he had appointed someone like Goering to command the Air Force, a lot of time was spent on Rychagov's entry into office, but in fact it turned out that he was not a commander, but still the same ... "
    1. 0
      15 July 2015 17: 09
      Quote: tolancop
      Willingly ... I will allow myself to quote from "The Human Factor" by Y. Mukhin:
      But this meeting was not the last for Rychagov. That, fatal - the Main Military Council, which considered the causes of high accident rate in the Air Force, was held in early April 1941. It was there, during the report of the Secretary of the Central Committee, G. M. Malenkov “on this issue”, Rychagov took and blurted out:

      “You make us fly on coffins, and then reproach us with a high accident rate.”

      Stalin, pacing along the rows of chairs, froze for a moment, changed his face and quickly came close to Rychagov, without even “editing” the phrase, said: “You shouldn't have said so.” And having said it again, he closed the meeting.
      A week later, on April 9, 1941, by a resolution of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks, Rychagov was removed from office and doomed to death. "
      Mukhin himself attended this meeting, at the personal invitation of Stalin. laughing
  18. +2
    29 May 2015 15: 00
    In continuation...

    Not everything can be agreed with Mukhin, but from my point of view, the Mukha version looks much more justified and logical than the version of Stalin’s simple tyranny.
    By the way, the above quote from the book is only a small part about the Leverage. Much more is written there and in sufficient detail ...
    Well, and the wife, apparently at the same time, "cleaned up", not without distortions, as usual .... Or maybe she had a lot of sins, which I would not be surprised at all. But I will not describe my wife, since I have no information about her at all.
  19. +1
    29 May 2015 16: 12
    For IGARR. LaGG-3--700-893 m / s rate of climb is not too much, probably per minute. Yes hi
    1. 0
      29 May 2015 19: 09
      Correctly, I agree, made a mistake, described.
      Of course, a bit too much, two and a half Machs if they would give LaGGi at that time, from all the fluff and feathers would fly only. First year.
      And there would be no second.
      ...
      And I’ll return again to the Tbilisi aircraft factory evacuated from Taganrog.
      Simply put, to a colleague tasha.
      Passage, not a passage ... BUT .. a colleague - the plant was evacuated, the main workers, most likely, were partly taken to the front, replaced by local boys and girls.
      What was the level of these workers?
      What technological culture could a newly deployed production have in a new place?
      How was delta wood delivered to Tbilisi? By sea, by land? Or did they start to get by with local production - a mulberry tree, there, by what kind of shrub?
      This, in general, was discussed.
      And about the general culture of production.
      Before being offended and annoyed .....
  20. +2
    29 May 2015 19: 03
    It is necessary to summarize and, in any case, justify Lugg-3. Like an airplane of its time and situation.

    Lugg-3 could not fight the Messers on equal terms. And it's not about maximum speed. And not in altitude, but in the complex of all the characteristics for warfare.

    But Lagg-3 could successfully perform air defense functions for protecting stationary objects from front-line air raids. And even after receiving a replacement in the form of an LA-5FN, the LAGG-3 remained relevant against front-line bombers or attack aircraft, if the aircraft took on the confrontation of the cover fighters.

    Those. the plane is not bad.

    We need to talk about Western aviation separately. But in a nutshell. The USSR ended the war with the best aircraft in the world.

    Even the Mustangs had a clear alternative. And the cobras weren't particularly impressive.
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      26 November 2016 18: 08
      You would have looked better how many in 10ke our best aces, pilots flying on AEROKOBRA. 9 out of 10. The only exception is Kozhedub
  21. +2
    30 May 2015 20: 07
    my friends, as if the planes did not name the main thing that they defended the MOTHERLAND and defeated the enemy! bow and gratitude for this.
  22. +1
    30 May 2015 22: 18
    Quote: Fitter65
    that with 1 4 series were only machine guns, it was possible to specify. Yes, and about the fact that on LaGG-3 initially planned to put a more powerful engine

    About the fact that the author was "simply obliged to indicate" and the level of journal articles ...
    Just for example, let's take the latest article about LaGG-3. Moreover, from, in my opinion, the most solid and best aviation magazine "Aviation and Cosmonautics" today. So even in this magazine (No. 3 for 2015) they did not consider indicating that the draft design was with the M-106, and 3,3% of the aircraft had purely machine-gun armament. I think you should also make a similar remark to the editors of the Aviation and Cosmonautics magazine. Although, it seems to me, the authors have the right to decide what to focus on based on the intention of the article. In this case, judging by the number and essence of the comments, I believe that the article that the LaGG-3 is a controversial aircraft was generally a success. It is still controversial and controversial.
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      31 May 2015 23: 07
      Confused.
      Academically.
      To nothing.
      ...
      not graduate students are sitting here. No one will understand the intricacies of publications.
      Wrong place, colleague, Tech.
      you would ... on ... who else aren't there ????.

      parasites - a flurry ...
  23. +1
    1 June 2015 10: 53
    Before the war, there was a harmonious concept of each fighter in its own niche. LaGG-3 against bombers and for attacking enemy ground forces was suitable because of the powerful weapons for the Red Army Air Force, the Yak-1 is a light front-line fighter at medium and low altitudes. MiG-3 high-altitude interceptor fighter. But the war showed that the concept was wrong. To a greater extent, just front-line fighters were needed. And the MiG-3, in its direct specialization, was out of work. The fighting took place mainly at medium and low altitudes.
  24. 0
    1 June 2015 13: 59
    Evaluations of our aircraft tend to be based on strange criteria. It is not the aircraft that is at war, but the pilot-aircraft-weapons system. At the same time, the strategy of using aviation and tactics of use are important.
    Our Air Force lagged behind in terms of quality from the enemy and allies: in terms of the level of training of pilots, in terms of technology. The armament was frankly weak. The pilots were trained for six months, and the wooden structure soaked in gasoline, of course, burned well. Therefore, data on efficiency, reliability, combat survivability, non-combat losses, as a rule, are not used in studies of this kind. This is not a reproach to the generation that won, but a remark to modern researchers. It is necessary either to take a comprehensive approach to the issue, or to refer to the lack of necessary data (the war wrote off everything). In addition, it must be borne in mind that the designer Yakovlev was the minister of the aviation industry and the only one who later wrote memoirs.
  25. 0
    2 June 2015 16: 20
    I read that LaGG-3 was heavy, but durable and burned badly, and the Yaks burned very much
    1. 0
      20 June 2015 15: 57
      Yes, it was more durable than Yashka, due to compliance with strength standards, and at least some approach to ease of use, unlike Yak with an all-in-one wing.
      And they burned in the same way - both tanks have a wing, the protection is the same, the materials are the same.
  26. 0
    2 June 2015 22: 22
    I would suggest readers to read the book of Alexander Golovanov "Distant Bomber"

    Golovany Alexander, Commander-in-Chief of the Long-Range Aviation Army in World War II. He was appointed commander of the DA regiment as a simple civil aviation pilot. And it grew under the patronage of directly Stalin to the Commander-in-Chief of the Army.
    Memoirs. Written in normal language, without much political servility. It is replete with a huge number of technical details. The personality of Stalin is shown from the point of view of the opposition N. Khrushchev and Co.

    An interesting book.
  27. +1
    3 June 2015 08: 31
    Quote: Igarr
    Confused.
    Academically.
    To nothing.
    ...
    not graduate students are sitting here. No one will understand the intricacies of publications.
    Wrong place, colleague, Tech.
    you would ... on ... who else aren't there ????.

    parasites - a flurry ...


    Your weed is weedy. I personally do not understand what you are talking about. It seems that several offers and a couple of dozens of individual ones have been missed. hi words.
  28. 0
    3 June 2015 20: 23
    I recommend reading Kondrat's book "We Have Got a Restless Age".

    And about LaGG, what was designed and manufactured aircraft had little in common. Strong delta wood was replaced with ordinary plywood and the heavy weight of the structure did not allow to realize the inherent advantages. By the way, LaGG-3 always had a higher horizontal speed than the Yak-1 simultaneous release at the same height ...
  29. +1
    7 June 2015 11: 08
    very interesting article! read a thick book called Pokryshkin. where he talks about the war. He told how they drove him to Yakovlev. Pokryshkin tells YAKovlev about the war about which planes are needed and what needs to be done. And Yakovlev sits looking at the fireplace and silently drinks tea. Pokryshkin, having not achieved attention to himself, left Yakovlev.
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    16 July 2021 22: 25
    He would have a 1650 hp engine. and reduce the weight, lower the gargrot and the plane would be normal

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