"Ivan Gren" - the younger brother of the universal landing helicopter "Mistral"




Next year, the construction of the large landing ship of the Ivan Gren project, which was planted at the Yantar shipyard in 2004, will be completed. This ship is the first of the 11711 series, which at the end of the summer of 2012 will undergo sea trials and in 2013 will become part of the Russian fleet. As far as it is known, within the framework of the state armament program of Russia by 2020 it is planned to put into operation about six more ships of the 11711 series.

Russia already has a contract to build French universal ships of the Mistral project. The first ship of this project will be built by the French company STX in the Saint-Nazaire shipyards within three years, and our specialists will perform there about 20% of all works, the second will be built within four years and two more helicopter carriers will lay down and will be built under license by the USC Corporation in Russia . All technologies for the project, including the Zenit-9 project, were transferred to the Russian specialists.

The fleet also needs 18 ships of this class, this is the number that is necessary to deploy the naval assault forces (marines).

History The BDK project 11711 begins with the well-known Soviet BDK "Tapir", the ship "Ivan Gren" (serial number 01301) is an improved ship of the 1171 series "Tapir".

The 11711 project was created by the Nevsky Design Bureau, the Tapira hull was taken as the basis, design changes affected the interior and the ship's superstructure. Modern technologies and designs were successfully used, which gave a positive result in reducing the visibility and increasing the stealth of the ship in all areas of ship protection.

The ship acquired a new method for non-contact landing of military equipment, marines and cargoes for large landing ships built in the Soviet Union. It is proposed to use standard pontoons, which are used by ground units to overcome water obstacles.

Consider closer landing ships "Ivan Gren" and "Mistral":

BDK "Ivan Gren" on stocks:



Key Features:

- displacement - 4950 tons;
- draft - 3,6 meter;
- width - 16,5 meters;
- length - 120 meters;
- speed - 18 nodes;
- autonomous navigation duration - 30 days;
- ship crew - 100 people;
- one diesel 10Д49 with power 4000 hp;

Armament:
- one universal shipboard AU 76-mm AK-176М;
- Two AK-630M artillery mounts;
- two launchers A-215, Grad rocket launcher system;
- one Ka-29 naval transport and combat helicopter.

Universal DC "Mistral":

"Ivan Gren" - the younger brother of the universal landing helicopter "Mistral"


Key Features:
- displacement - 16500 tons;
- draft -6,3 meter;
- width - 32 meters;
- length - 199 meters;
- speed - 19 nodes;
- autonomous navigation duration - 30 days;
- ship crew - 160 people;
- three diesel generator 16V32 with power 6,2MW;
- one diesel engine "Vyartsilya" power 3,3MW;

Armament:
- two twin launchers of the Simbad anti-aircraft missile system;
- Two 30-mm artillery installations "Breda-Mauser";
- four Browning 12,7-mm machine guns;
- 16 amphibious heavy helicopters or 32 light helicopters;
- 2 radar DRBN-38A.

As you can see, the BDK "Ivan Gren" really turned out to be a junior ship compared to the French Mistral, however, the cost of ships is different:
- the cost of one ship of the series “Ivan Gren” - 5 billion rubles;
- the cost of one ship of the series "Mistral" - 1 billion euros.

At the end of 2010, the Yantar plant received a State order for the construction of another ship of the Ivan Gren series.

Do not forget that the old BDK project 775 was assembled in Poland, so the construction of the ships of the project "Ivan Gren" is being conducted almost anew, - according to military officials. In the meantime, the Mistral and Ivan Gren have not entered the Russian fleet, the Navy will continue to use the old landing ships built 1960-1980, the total number of 18 ships.

The fact that ships of this class are created and procured very leisurely is due to the fact that they are not the first necessity for the Russian Navy. We need more warships and submarines than amphibious ships; priorities have been put on corvettes, destroyers and frigates, the Ministry of Defense notes. Russia is not going to participate in amphibious operations and NATO operations using amphibious ships - this is not in its interests.

Large universal Mistrals will undertake tasks in the open seas and ocean expanses, and large landing ships of the Ivan Gren project will undertake tasks in the closed internal (Baltic and Black) seas.
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  1. dimarm74
    dimarm74 12 October 2011 08: 05 New
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    A helicopter carrier themselves could build ..... feeding the French is not a matter of course ..... It would be better if the shipyards would be modernized by domestic ... and invested in personnel ..... And the Bank of Russia has 545 billion euros, dollars and any yen with pounds ... Why the hell are they gathering dust ??? Factories need to be built ..... and production modernized.
    1. does it 13 October 2011 06: 56 New
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      here is purely business at the state level
      1. alex-defensor 10 February 2012 19: 48 New
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        It is purely a policy aimed at integration with Europe.

        Thanks to such projects, Germany and France supported our South Stream project and much more.
  2. Sergh
    Sergh 12 October 2011 08: 07 New
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    But even that is true, an ocean landing is also needed, but what if!
    1. Vadivak 12 October 2011 11: 54 New
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      Sergey is not so simple, Gren is smaller than the French Mistral, he is much better suited for the “closed” seas - the Black and Baltic, for which the transport capabilities of the Mistral are redundant.
      The landing of a new ship, as the developers say, will be carried out in several ways, including completely new for Russian sailors. At least, he has not practiced in our fleet for a long time - with the help of ordinary engineering pontoons. To land any, including heavy, equipment on an unequipped shore, in this case, a pontoon floating bridge will quickly be assembled, through which the equipment will go from ship to shore "by water like dry land." It will also be possible to land the landing technique in the traditional ways - point blank or afloat.
      In addition, changes are made to the project.
      The latest changes to the project: - instead of one main diesel engine there will be two, placed in line with each other, respectively 2 valonilini and two screws;
      - instead of a crane with a capacity of 16 tons, 2 cranes with a capacity of 25 tons will be placed between superstructures;
      - instead of AK-176 and Grad M, one AU Duet;
  3. archer
    archer 12 October 2011 08: 55 New
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    dimarm74

    whining begins
    all bad)) damn you are one good))
    are you an economist or special military?

    if not, it's better to shut up

    all drank, and we criticize the loss of people who want to raise the army
    no words
  4. dimarm74
    dimarm74 12 October 2011 09: 04 New
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    not nagging, but a proposal where to spend money, which in general is not needed by and large. And I do not criticize those who want to raise an army. Where did you see criticism of the domestic defense industry? And the fact that Mistral wants to buy is a moot point ... we have experience building both helicopter carriers and aircraft carriers. So comment on the case ....
    1. Rustam 12 October 2011 09: 32 New
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      And what Mistrals want to buy is a moot point
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      THEIR ALREADY BOUGHT !!! Wake up
  5. Rustam 12 October 2011 09: 07 New
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    it is planned to put into operation about six more ships of the 11711 series.
    ________________________
    SOMETHING DOUBT I
    A) photos of grena back in 2007 - what is happening right now is unknown so that the deadline for delivery in 2012 is a lie - according to verified data, only the ship’s hull is formed
    b) amber is now frantically busy completing the completion of three frigates of the Indian Navy, already 2 years behind, and you are about some 6 until 2020
    c) the cost of one ship of the Mistral series is 1 billion Euro-EEE. COST OF ONE SHIP 600 MILLION EURO AND IN 3 YEARS IT WILL ALREADY BE IN STRUCTURE
    AND WHEN THE FIRST GREEN ??? THIS IS A BIG QUESTION
    displacement
    GRENN-4600 TON-BUILD FOR 8 YEARS
    MISTRAL-21500-IN 2014 ALREADY IN THE STRUCTURE OF THE Navy OF RUSSIA

    PS-MOST ANNOYED BY JOB-6 SHIPS THEY GATHERED TO BUILD BY 2020 YEAR !!! ENOUGH
    YOU WILL START THIS FOR STARTING, UNDERSTAND THE INDIAN CONTRACT, THEN BUILD 3 FRIGATES FOR US AND STILL SHIPPING VESSELS
    WILL TAKE ORDERS, PROMISE GOLDEN MOUNTAINS AND THEN BUILD AND KNOW YEARS SHIPS FOR YEARS AND INCREASE PRICES !!!
    CANNOT BUILD ON TIME DO NOT TAKE !!!
  6. Boos24
    Boos24 12 October 2011 10: 19 New
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    Mistral Purchases Designed to Reduce Tech Development Lag
    1. ba1ex
      ba1ex 12 October 2011 12: 06 New
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      Well, it’s just that other reasons for which the Mistrals were bought are not particularly visible.
    2. mind1954
      mind1954 14 October 2011 05: 14 New
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      And who proved this lag ??? !!!
      This power, pervaded by corruption, right down to international
      scales ??? !!!
    3. Basarev 2 June 2014 22: 44 New
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      But there is no lag in technical development. The PAK FA convincingly proves to everyone that in fact, such a fiercely widespread lag is another liberal myth. Think about it, because to create a fifth-generation fighter alone on an absolutely own element base is a task more complicated than a ternary quantum computer. Well, or a permanent base on the moon. However, we did it. And that means we’ll master Ivan Gren.
  7. dimarm74
    dimarm74 12 October 2011 12: 17 New
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    It seems to me that Medvedev simply promised to buy this clown Sarkozy to buy ... in exchange for loyalty ... etc. And do not forget that our officials keep money in Europe .... and this is a powerful lever ..... on them. And completely Western leaders need to be idiots to not use this lever.
    Although there are pluses and minuses in buying Mistrals, from the pluses - it’s still given to the defense industry that it’s necessary to move .... It’s like they bought UAVs in Israel, so domestic manufacturers did more in a year than in 6 years before.
  8. datur 12 October 2011 16: 54 New
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    Well, right now, weights and balts will know about croutons and begin to squeak harder. already happy wink
  9. PSih2097 12 October 2011 20: 10 New
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    It would be better if they built the project 11780 "Ivan Tarava", in place
  10. PN
    PN 12 October 2011 22: 23 New
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    We can build ships quickly, efficiently and cheaply. But there is one big BUT! This BUT is nothing but the norm / hour (person / hour). This is when a certain amount of time is allotted to the production of any actions. Whether it is welding, painting, electrical installation, etc., etc. Duck, this rate / hour is inflated to incredible values. And most importantly, more than one boss will not make subordinates work faster, because the thickness of a wad of money depends on this, which will give him a bonus! So it turns out that as long as we have this BUT, you can forget about the speed and cheapness. I know because I work for OJSC PO Sevmash.
  11. axmetoff.timur
    axmetoff.timur 13 October 2011 20: 58 New
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    In general, they’re not going to build this project anymore and are doing it right, now the main thing is to sculpt the Mistrals and corvettes with frigates and nuclear submarines, and not these troughs
  12. fedor
    fedor 13 October 2011 21: 27 New
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    Opinion of a sailor 47 years in the navy.
    After making changes:
    - instead of one main diesel engine there will be two, placed in line with each other, respectively, 2 valolin lines and two screws;
    - instead of a crane with a capacity of 16 tons, 2 cranes with a capacity of 25 tons will be placed between superstructures;
    - instead of AK-176 and Grad M, one AU Duet.
    these ships must be very good and practical.
    And the Mistral really is rare and not practical rubbish, they will hardly last more than 10 years.
  13. PSih2097 13 October 2011 23: 17 New
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    Large landing ship project 1171.1 "Ivan Gren"
    4serenedr
    The main performance characteristics of the BDK project 1171.1:
    Length: 120 m
    Width: 16,5 m
    Draft: 4,15 m, with a full load of 6,15 m aft
    Displacement: 5000 t
    EU: 1x4000 hp diesel 10D49
    Speed: 18 nodes
    Cruising range: 3500 miles at 16 knots
    Armament: 1x1 76 mm AK-176 - SU MP-123 Vympel, 2x6 30 mm AK-630M, 2 RZSO
    Radar: no data
    Crew: 100
    Landing: 1 Ka-29 helicopter, 13 main tanks or 36 armored personnel carriers, 300 people
    Payload: no data
    Autonomy: 30 days
    Universal landing ship of the project 11780 "Ivan Tarava"

    The main performance characteristics of the BDK project 11780:
    Length: 196 m
    Width: 35 m
    Draft: 8 meters
    Displacement: 25 000 t
    KTU: 180 hp
    Speed: 30 nodes
    Cruising range: 8 miles at 000 knots
    Armament: 1x2 130mm AK-130, 2 batteries 6x8 PU SAM "Dagger", 2-4 ZRAK "Dagger"
    Aviation: landing option - 12 Ka-29, anti-submarine version - 25 Ka-27
    Landing: no data
  14. rumpeljschtizhen 14 October 2011 00: 08 New
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    As I understand it, Gren lacks melt means for over-horizon landing ????
    BMP fast and with good seaworthiness have not yet been developed
    and to land on pontoons .... when the coast is cleared it is possible from any barge (I exaggerate slightly) ... then it’s more armed transport ...
  15. CARTRIDGE
    CARTRIDGE 15 October 2011 16: 42 New
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    Why do we need landing ships of the inner zone (can’t forget the 2008 conflict?) When there is a large-scale war for resources on the horizon
  16. Tankograd
    Tankograd 19 January 2012 21: 27 New
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    BDK Project 1171.1 "Ivan Gren" is in any case a landmark ship, as the first Russian landing ship. But, as it seems to me, delays in the construction are not connected with the fact that it is so hard to build or lacks money for it. The fact is that when the ship was laid down in 2004 in Russia there was one Army, by and large, encoded and greatly reduced remnants of the Soviet Army, and now another modern deployed Russian Army! In light of the latest organizational and staffing changes in the Russian Marine Corps, namely, the new ship will have to constantly interact with it, with the planned re-equipment of the marine corps with promising new types of weapons, I firmly believe that ships like Ivan Gren will not be able to fully fulfill their tasks!
    I answer why:
    1. The ship does not match the displacement. As can be seen from the performance characteristics with a displacement of 5000-6000 tons and a length of 120 m, he is able to take only 36 infantry fighting vehicles or 13 tanks, as well as 350 personnel. Although I know that when the TTX statement is made, sailors are constantly cunningly underestimating the characteristics of ships under construction. So, the Tapir type BDK of the latest modifications took on board 413 marine infantry and up to 47 armored personnel carriers or up to 20 tanks. At that time, 413 people made up the reinforced battalion of the Marine Corps (380 staff). The equipment was Soviet BTR-60,70, BMP-1,2, T-55 tanks.
    At present, when creating permanently deployed formations with powerful and mobile rear units and combat support units (reconnaissance, communications, engineer-sapper, air defense) and re-equipment with new military equipment, the combat staff of a separate Marine Corps battalion will increase to 650- 670 people (as the MP commanders themselves say, that is, 2 times), respectively, even when the T-90, BMP-3, BTR-80A, 120 mm SAO Vienna tanks declared by Popovkin were adopted by the marine corps, their weight and dimensions also differ significantly from Soviet counterparts. And any landing ship is imprisoned for a specific combat unit. For KFOR at. 775 and MDKVP Dzheyran is the reinforced company of MP, for BDK it is a battalion of the Marine Corps. Even if there are 3 BMP-10 each in 3 Companies of the MP, 10 BTR-80A in the Airborne Assault Company, still add about 3 KShU and 8 SAO Vienna to Art. batteries, 1 BRM and 2 BMP in reconnaissance platoon, 3 BMP in grenade platoon, 3 BMP in ATGM platoon, 3 MTLB with ZU-23 on armor and MANPADS Igla in an anti-aircraft missile platoon, 3 MTLB in Sappernoy platoon, 1-2 KShU and 2 armored personnel carriers in a communications platoon, 3-4 MTLBs in a medical platoon, then about 70 BTTs and another 10-15 floating articulated transponders like Vityaz or Omnipresent, which will house the entire rear of the battalion, will come up with an ARV in the maintenance and repair department (I hope that I support the marines, even the rear in the marines should be floating). In total, up to 85-95 BTT units are obtained. Even two ships such as Ivan Gren will not be enough to load this whole armada.
    2. The armament of the ship does not provide reliable air defense. The AK-630 installations are not a means to which you can be entrusted with protecting up to 800 personnel (with the crew of the ship) and up to 100 BTT units.
    3. 2-4 helicopters will not provide for the landing of the entire dismounted personnel of the air assault company, which is from 80 to 65 people (BTT company crews will land by swimming). Helicopter Ka-29 or Ka-60 Killer whale take only 16 people.
    4. TTX is unknown - dimensions and weight data of promising marine infantry equipment: Armata Tank, new marine infantry fighting vehicle based on Kurganets-25, new artillery and anti-aircraft missile systems.
    On this basis, I believe the construction of the BDK Ivan Gren should be completed and the ship operated for experimental purposes to develop the next promising BDK, in which I hope all comments on the project will be taken into account. I hope that the General Staff has bright heads that will bring the Marine Corps structure to the structure I proposed or a full-fledged SME with all deployed combat, support and rear units. To bake bread and a bathhouse was in the field.
    My suggestions for a new generation ship: take the Dutch landing ship Rotterdam as a basis, which is 9500-12728 tons, 183,7 meters long, 25 meters wide (which means that the equipment will be in 4 rows on the landing deck), draft 5,9 m. In terms of displacement, it will be the floor of Mistral, but it will accommodate the entire battalion. In “Rotherdam” it was announced that he takes 611 people MP, with his team 113 people, 33 tanks or up to 170 units of BTT and ATT. If for the personnel not to make individual cabins like on the Mistral, then I think that the composition of the received paratroopers can be brought to the required 670-700 people. On the superstructure, place a pair of Dagger complexes of up to 32 missiles, and two modules of the marine Paptsir-S are another 64 SAMs and two blocks of two six-barrel 30 mm anti-aircraft mounts. Such air defense will provide full circular cover for the ship. As a strike weapon, post on the nose one installation of an offshore MLRS Tornado (developed on the basis of the new land MLRS Tornado with a range of up to 100 km) - this will ensure the horizontal landing and fire cover of the landed troops. Roterdam receives 6 NH-90 helicopters (our analogue of Ka-29) or 4 merlin (our analogue of Mi-171). 6 Ka-29 helicopters will land 96 fighters, 4 Mi-171 helicopters will land 120 fighters - that is, a reinforced landing assault company without equipment. The remaining 3 companies of the marines land afloat or on floating ferries (as stated on Ivan Gren) towed by boats on the air cavity of Serna (speed can reach up to 30 knots. The main line in this case should only take on airborne assault and reconnaissance units of the brigade or regiment MP and using helicopters to land cut-off assault forces behind enemy lines of defense, which will not allow the enemy’s reserves to approach and using KA-52 Aligator fire support helicopters to destroy enemy firing points not suppressed by MLRS, the Mistral will still play the role of the command post for the entire landing. should keep from the coast at a distance of 50-60 km, that is, beyond the fire of the main art systems. These are my suggestions, I would like to discuss!
  17. Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 15 July 2014 08: 24 New
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    I am not writing on the topic of the article, but more about Astrology and the name of the carrier helicopter itself. I hope they will not be demoted for my tales.

    Any seasoned sailor knows not to get lost in the boundless cosmos of the world Ocean; especially after arriving in areas of anomalies, such as the Bermuda Triangle or the Mariana Trench, Stars play a very big role in finding the way home.

    It seems that I determined the location of the ship of Baba Yaga, the one that eats our children, from the stars.

    - She only brought a clouding of reason to the three heroes, so that they would forget who, and where they came from, and begin to fight themselves as if in the "Shamakhan queen" of the Mill studio.

    So if Ivan Grena is interested in glorious legends about our heroes, then compare the map of movement of the Spanish armada and the constellation Scorpio in the southern hemisphere. Although, the house, as prophesied by "Carnival Night", we have already taken for a long time, but this has not happened yet, so soon. So there is nothing for the woman yaga to scare us with her house on chicken legs.

    I think that for respectable and adult people it is not necessary to advise watching "Smpson" about Hank Scorpio. Luckily, the Say Wing Private Brain protects me!

    Below, the “death of Galias Gerona” is somewhat reminiscent of the battles of the Airborne Forces and Goliath:
  18. Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 15 July 2014 08: 26 New
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    Nevertheless, the restraining, defensive, and troops are important for local conflicts. The importance and power of the Navy is quite difficult to overestimate.

    Therefore, the person who adds ships to the Russian Navy deserves respect.
  19. Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 15 July 2014 08: 35 New
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    Quote: Kostya pedestrian
    I am not writing on the topic of the article, but more about Astrology and the name of the carrier helicopter itself. I hope they will not be demoted for my tales.

    Any seasoned sailor knows not to get lost in the boundless cosmos of the world Ocean; especially after arriving in areas of anomalies, such as the Bermuda Triangle or the Mariana Trench, Stars play a very big role in finding the way home.

    It seems that I determined the location of the ship of Baba Yaga, the one that eats our children, from the stars.

    - She only brought a clouding of reason to the three heroes, so that they would forget who, and where they came from, and begin to fight themselves as if in the "Shamakhan queen" of the Mill studio.

    So if Ivan Grena is interested in glorious legends about our heroes, then compare the map of movement of the Spanish armada and the constellation Scorpio in the southern hemisphere. Although, the house, as prophesied by "Carnival Night", we have already taken for a long time, but this has not happened yet, so soon. So there is nothing for the woman yaga to scare us with her house on chicken legs.

    I think that for respectable and adult people it is not necessary to advise watching "Smpson" about Hank Scorpio. Fortunately, the Say Wing Private Brain sofa protects me!

    Below, the “death of Galias Gerona” is somewhat reminiscent of the battles of the Airborne Forces and Goliath:
  20. Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 15 July 2014 16: 59 New
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    It is interesting, and who wants the return of the barbaric Inquisition and the rule of the Catholic Church over the world. Personally, I know that for the Red Army there is no better friend than Mitchell B25. By the way, these bombers distinguished themselves well during the battle for the liberation of the Black Sea from Nazi and Romanian invaders.

    Photo of the movement of the invincible Spanish armada, and below, sunken ships are indicated by crosses

    Photo from http://www.spiegel.de/ July 15, 2014

    For fans of predicting the future, so that it means 3 with daggers - they still decided to win the Atlantic for the third time, krigi?

    Most likely my posts will be of interest to Great Britain if I say that these sorrows mariners decided to turn back the clock. For information, I became so strange after working in Santos, they conjured something there.

    And if you add a pancake logo on the basement of High Point in Melbourne with a woman holding a fork to the top, then I think my words will gain a share of common sense.


  21. GOgaRu 10 June 2015 16: 08 New
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    So screwed up on time: June 2015, and the ship is still out of order.