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Ka-52 perspectives: shipless helicopters

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On May 21, the management of Kamov announced the completion of construction and the transfer of four Ka-52K Katran helicopters for testing. A new modification of the "land" attack helicopter was developed for operation on ships of the naval fleet. Currently, Ka-52K helicopters are used in trials. In addition, an order for the construction of such equipment is being carried out. Nevertheless, against the backdrop of recent events, the further fate of the new attack helicopters raises certain questions.




On April 8, 2014, the Russian Ministry of Defense ordered the construction of 32 Ka-52K helicopters. The main reason for the development of this project and the serial construction of such helicopters was called the need for manning aviation groups of new landing helicopter docking ships (DVKD) of the Mistral type, being built in France on a Russian order. A number of such helicopters should be based on the DVKD in order to support the landing.

In the middle of last year, official Paris took an extremely strange position and refused to transfer the ordered ships to Russia. The first of the ships, according to the contract, was supposed to go to Russia last fall, but still stands at the factory wall in Saint-Nazaire. The transfer of the second ship was planned for the autumn of 2015, but this event is currently the subject of controversy. In the context of the refusal (possibly temporary yet) of France to transfer the ships ordered by Russia, some other questions arise. One of them is connected with the further fate of the ordered Ka-52K attack helicopters.

It should be noted that problems with landing ships have not yet affected the course of the Ka-52K project. Thus, the first flight of an experienced "Katran" took place on 7 in March 2015, i.e. a few months after the French side suspended the fulfillment of contractual obligations. More than two months after the first flight of the Ka-52K, Russian Helicopters Corporation completed the construction of the first four helicopters of the new model, which must now be tested. Thus, the refusal of Paris so far does not affect the progress of work on the project to create a ship attack helicopter.

Amid disputes around the Mistral, there were reports of the possible fate of helicopters. So, in January, the Ministry of Defense reported that in 2015, connections of the Eastern Military District will receive an X-NUMX Ka-22 type helicopter. This number includes Ka-52K 10 helicopters, which are planned to be transferred to Pacific Fleet naval aviation. Probably, these ship-based helicopters were supposed to be based on the first of two new DVKDs. Nevertheless, due to the refusal of France, they will have to serve on land aerodromes for the time being.

According to reports, the first Mistral type DVKD was planned to be handed over to Russia in the fall of the 2014 of the year, after which he had to go to one of the domestic enterprises to install the necessary equipment and weapons. Thus, by the end of 2015, the Pacific Fleet could have received a new landing ship and attack helicopters for it. The transfer of the second ship was planned for 2015 year, the inclusion in the fleet - on 2016. Obviously, by the time the second ship began service, the fleet should have already received a new batch of Katran helicopters.

It has been repeatedly claimed that the aviation group DVKD "Mistral" will consist of X-NUMX attack Ka-8K and 52 transport and combat Ka-8. In addition, it was possible to increase the number of aircraft, depending on the characteristics of the planned operation. For the "basic" configuration of two DVKD need 29 helicopters Ka-16K, not counting a few backup machines. At the same time ordered 52 helicopter. It turns out that the order of 32-10 attack helicopters are out of work. Or they are not intended for new amphibious ships.

It should be noted that similar arithmetic a few years ago would not have caused questions. It was originally intended to purchase four ships from France. Each had to accommodate eight helicopters, in the amount of 32 machines. However, at the end of 2012, the Russian Ministry of Defense transferred the third and fourth ships of the series to the option category. Now they were offered to order only according to the results of the operation of the first two DVKD. Because of this, in particular, the X-NUMX attack helicopters Ka-16K, which will be built, have been “released”, but now they most likely will not be able to get on the landing craft.

A similar difference in numbers may indicate that a certain number of Katrans should have been based on land airfields, complementing ship-based helicopters. Since the transfer of two ships of the Mistral type is now the subject of controversy, it cannot be excluded that all 32 attack helicopters will have to be based on airfields, unable to work with landing ships.

Nevertheless, it is impossible not to admit that in this case, naval aviation could do with the Ka-52 helicopters of the base model. In the modification with the letter "K" were applied some innovations related to basing on ships. The design of the chassis and wing were changed, and the nodes for folding the blades and the anticorrosion treatment of parts were used. When basing on land aerodromes, almost all such modifications do not make sense.

Back in September, 2011, when the first test landings of the Ka-52 were carried out on the ship, representatives of the aviation industry made interesting statements. It was alleged that in five years (i.e. approximately in 2016 year), the Ka-52K helicopters could be based not only on the Mistrals, but also on other ships of the Navy. This means that several years ago, helicopter builders considered the possibility of basing new equipment on various ships, without limiting their use only to promising DVKD.

During the tests of September 2011, the Ka-52 helicopter landed on the stern platform of the large anti-submarine ship Vice Admiral Kulakov (project 1155). The standard aviation group BOD of the 1155 Ave. consists of two anti-submarine Ka-27PL helicopters. For the storage and maintenance of this technique, such ships have two half-walled hangars in the aft superstructure. Known information about the dimensions of the Ka-27PL and Ka-52K helicopters suggests that the Katran is quite capable of fitting in the hangar of the BOD Ave 1155.


Ka-52 on the runway of Vice Admiral Kulakov, Federation Council, 31.08.2011 (photo from mil.ru, in decent quality - from Curious from forums.airbase.ru)


BOD "Admiral Chabanenko" - view of the fully open hangar with a helicopter inside (photo from forums.airbase.ru from Atom44)


Similar hangars and landing sites are provided on various other domestic ships. Thus, at least in the Ka-52K theory, they can be based not only on the Mistrals and the large anti-submarine ships of the 1155 project. This feature of ships and helicopters provides greater flexibility in the use of aviation technology for solving various tasks. Nevertheless, the issues of the basing of helicopters are not limited to the overall “compatibility” of the equipment. It is possible that this interaction may be obstructed or made impossible due to other factors.

When basing the Ka-52K helicopters on ships other than the Mistral type DVKD, questions arise about the intended combat missions. Initially it was assumed that the "Qatran" would have to support the landing of the assault, striking attacks on the enemy anti-amphibious defenses. In such a role, the attack helicopter is able to fully use its full potential with the help of any available weapons.




Placement of the Ka-52K helicopter in the hangar of the BOD Ave. 1155


Ka-52K attack helicopter basing on large anti-submarine ships, missile cruisers, patrol ships, etc. may be cause for doubt and controversy. It is not entirely clear what tasks the attack helicopter can perform when basing on such ships. According to some reports, the Katran will be able to carry anti-ship missiles that will be used to attack surface targets. Such opportunities to a certain extent will increase the combat potential of helicopters. Nevertheless, the question of the use of Ka-52K helicopters on various ships of the Navy requires special consideration and research.

Available information on the progress of the Ka-52K project and information about these helicopters suggest that the refusal of France to transfer the built ships would not affect the fate of the aircraft. The ship-based attack helicopters ordered and under construction will be used in naval aviation of the Russian Navy. It is unlikely that they will soon get on Mistral type DVKD, but they definitely will not remain idle. The Navy will be able to operate this technique on existing land aerodromes, and, in the future, on various ships. A few days ago, the military received four Ka-52K helicopters. During this year, the fleet is scheduled to transfer 10 new machines of this type.


On the materials of the sites:
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  1. Ruslan
    Ruslan 22 May 2015 05: 37
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    I think this is a perversion :) attack helicopter, on the PKK, guard, corvette is nothing to do, for them there are helicopters plos. their place on landing ships and no need to invent nonsense. I must honestly admit to myself that there are no landing ships for them and start building them. Now this idea looks more like an attempt to justify the ka-52k project itself. so that the military did not abandon it, and therefore come up with, they say you can carry it to the BPC. just need landing craft, that’s where the problem is.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 22 May 2015 05: 55
      +7
      Quote: ruslan
      I think this is a perversion

      Similarly.
      1. krpmlws
        krpmlws 22 May 2015 19: 29
        0
        For some reason, the KA-52K basing on the Kuznetsovo aircraft carrier is not considered. what
        1. Tanarri
          Tanarri 23 May 2015 02: 29
          -1
          Because Kuznetsov has long been retired.
          1. krpmlws
            krpmlws 23 May 2015 06: 48
            +2
            Quote: Tanarri
            Because Kuznetsov has long been retired.
            To accommodate the Mig-29K Kuznetsov is not old, but for the Ka-52K old?
            1. mirag2
              mirag2 23 May 2015 08: 29
              +2
              Yes ... Another of the problems thrown by Hollande:
              - "Mistral" squeezed once,
              - return the dough, two,
              -building infrastructure under the Mistral in ports-three,
              - four turntables left without a carrier ...
              The bastard was the Frenchman Hollande.
              ps. This is where the war with Europe will begin, we’ll hang it in St. Nazaire and hang it am
              -joke yes
              In fact, China is building a canal in Nicaragua (which we were offered to build), and the Russian Federation should ensure "security." Hence our joint actions with Nicaragua on drug trafficking. Agree, cocaine is not a problem for the Russian Federation, few people can pay for coconut, and we do not have it as much as in the US or the EU. I think that the movement with drug trafficking in Lat. America is a veil.
            2. Aleksandr72
              Aleksandr72 23 May 2015 10: 07
              0
              In order to determine the composition of the aviation group on Kuznetsov, it is necessary to determine. and what is the actual range of tasks assigned to this ship. If this is a solution to the air defense and anti-aircraft defense missions of the squadron, then the shock Ka-52K on it will, as it were, put it mildly superfluous. And if the purpose of the aircraft-carrying cruiser is to perform strike functions, then you should think about placing the Ka-52K on it. But in any case, this is not in our competence.
    2. Civil
      Civil 23 May 2015 09: 07
      -1
      The options are:
      1. Order UDC or DVKD from our industry. But there is no ready-made project, no experience in construction, that is, with design, it will be launched in the best case in 7-8 years. If not cut out of habit.
      2. Buy through a front country ... for example, through China or Brazil .. well, Vanuatu ... but who will go into direct conflict with the EU and the USA?
      3. Convert the tanker to a turntable carrier, but for this you need unconventional thinking and courage, well, a tanker. There is none of this in the presence of the fleet.
      4. To order urgently from China, yes, they have ready-made UDC options, but it seems like Mistral was taken just to contain China. However, not the worst option.
    3. Bell pepper
      Bell pepper 5 March 2018 19: 57
      0
      The Ka 52K is equipped with reconnaissance equipment, the modern radar of which is capable of conducting anti-submarine / anti-ship reconnaissance !!! So it’s just not a perversion, but a completely logical step !!!!
  2. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 22 May 2015 06: 01
    +5
    And the Ka-52K can be based on the Gren large landing craft.
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 22 May 2015 06: 26
      10
      Quote: VohaAhov
      And the Ka-52K can be based on the Gren large landing craft.

      Theoretically, yes, but why? Large landing ships of the 11711 project can carry no more than two helicopters. Based on them transport and shock Ka-29 seems more appropriate.
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 22 May 2015 06: 30
      +3
      Quote: VohaAhov
      And the Ka-52K can be based on the Gren large landing craft.

      Really done?
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 22 May 2015 06: 31
        +4
        Quote: Bayonet
        Really done?

        No, of course request Planning for the end of 2015
  3. EGOrkka
    EGOrkka 22 May 2015 06: 52
    +2
    An attack helicopter, a "strike ship", needs it, which needs its percussion ... Landing ships do not go one by one! Imagine, on 6 support ships, one Ka-52k = 6 attack helicopters - quite a serious combat group ... as it seems to me. And most importantly ... who sees which helicopter is in the hangar? And the "mistrals" went into the sea - just a nix ...
    1. skiff-xnumx
      skiff-xnumx 22 May 2015 11: 14
      +7
      Stupid statement, sorry. Apparently you are not very familiar with the charter of the naval service. On "strike ships" as you put it, helicopters should be flat and nothing more. And then what you will cover the far zone. And 6 hulls is already a connection and here it’s no problem, otherwise the moose can arrange such a shooting range.
      1. garmonist
        garmonist 22 May 2015 15: 40
        -1
        I do not agree. In modern conflicts, an attack helicopter is very necessary to cover the landing, especially if the opposite side does not have a powerful fleet, aviation, or modern anti-ship missile systems, but at the same time it has a powerful land grouping. For example, almost all modern conflicts in the Middle East and Africa and By the way, Ukraine also gets here.
      2. EGOrkka
        EGOrkka 22 May 2015 16: 53
        0
        The fact of the matter is that you think linearly ..... "shock ships" may not be shock at all in the direct sense of the word (as is customary in the naval service). Because in the fleet they strike the fleet or the coast ... and the planes have just more chances to perform these tasks. We're talking about something completely different .... Read what ships in WW2 did the British make "escort aircraft carriers" from ?? ????
  4. qwert
    qwert 22 May 2015 07: 20
    +5
    I read the article, but did not understand what the fate of the Ka-52K is?
    1. POKPAH
      POKPAH 22 May 2015 08: 26
      +4
      Their fate is now ambiguous, as I understand it, they seem to have it, but why it is not entirely clear.
    2. Zigmars
      Zigmars 22 May 2015 15: 48
      +2
      Quote: qwert
      I read the article, but did not understand what the fate of the Ka-52K is?

      We in Arsenyev produce these machines. And as far as I know, production plans have not been reduced - production is in full swing.
  5. Wedmak
    Wedmak 22 May 2015 09: 08
    0
    Ka-27 / 29 helicopters are not new and, despite their capabilities, are still becoming obsolete. Can Ka-52K in the anti-submarine version just be able to replace them? More precisely, not only in anti-submarine. Small torpedoes can be attached to external suspensions. Equipping a submersible echo locator is also possible.
    So, as an option, we get one universal attack marine helicopter. Equipped with weapons, depending on current tasks.
    If you wish, you can even make a modification of the Ka-52K antenna DRLO, cutting other possibilities.
    How do you like that?
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 23 May 2015 09: 21
      +1
      Quote: Wedmak
      If you wish, you can even make a modification of the Ka-52K antenna DRLO, cutting other possibilities.
      How do you like that?

      Do you know how much you fiddled with this in the "252RLD" project? It turned out to be a very specific apparatus ... And why spoil a good car with unnecessary bells and whistles?
  6. max702
    max702 22 May 2015 11: 22
    +7
    Nothing terrible will be served on the shore, in our country there seems to be no excess of new and modern helicopters in the troops, they certainly will not be superfluous. As for the sea bells and whistles, on this party we worked hard for the future, I sincerely hope that they will not erode the drawings, technical maps and equipment as happened more than once before ..
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 22 May 2015 11: 57
      +6
      Quote: max702
      They’ll serve you ashore,

      Remember "Mimino"? There Rubik Jan on the Kraz in the northern performance, went to sunny Armenia. Should we get used to it?
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      2. gjv
        gjv 22 May 2015 14: 15
        +5
        Quote: Bayonet
        Remember "Mimino"? There Rubik Jan on the Kraz in the northern performance, went to sunny Armenia. Should we get used to it?

        Cinema! And for the 333rd time it looks like the first. With habit, you really can't get used to it very much. And with the northern KrAZ such "foam" (the carriers told) is double glazing (the second glasses were glued onto mastic like plasticine, the glass stopped dropping), the insulation was glued inside the cab (just like thick wallpaper), the heating radiator was on the rear wall of the cab. In the film, however, you can see - the cab upholstery is thin, the glass in the back is in place - there is no heater. And the side windows are single. Remember, somewhere closer to the final, Rubik lowers the glass: "Friend, civil aviation is the right food?" smile So from the northern version only orange paint went to Armenia.
  7. bmv04636
    bmv04636 22 May 2015 12: 11
    -1
    Well, the mechanism of folding screws used in Katran Kamovtsy said they will implement in all Ka-52
  8. bmv04636
    bmv04636 22 May 2015 12: 18
    -1
    I don’t know, but I would have put him on border patrol ships; not one poaching schooner would have left. They would quickly catch up and put in the most tonsils, it would not seem a little.
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    2. gjv
      gjv 22 May 2015 14: 21
      0
      And in reports and articles, they show that most of them with their catch go to Japan, China and others there. Because of money. It doesn’t turn out that they will tear their tonsils? Because of money. Or, for money, what the hell are they?
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      2. gjv
        gjv 22 May 2015 16: 55
        0
        Quote: gjv
        It doesn’t turn out that they will tear their tonsils?

        Minus one. I agree, squinted, overly hyperbole. Of course, our border guards, and sailors and pilots, are not scythe, anyhow they won’t shoot and the targets will be distinguished and chosen correctly. Excuse me.
        I got excited about money, it's an economic question. How many foreign pirates are being held up without the use of helicopters? What are the sanctions - confiscation of catch, confiscation of gear and / or vessel, fines? To what extent will the use of a helicopter increase the effectiveness of detentions and sanctions? That is, will there be a "dressing game"?
        And yet, he asked already, but that no one answered. Is there a technical possibility to base the Ka-52K on border guard patrols? They were designed for Ka-226 (screw diameter 13 m). And the Ka-52 has a screw of 14,5 meters. The Ka-52K is probably even larger (due to the folding mechanism). These one and a half meters do not play a role?
    3. maai
      maai 22 May 2015 14: 45
      +2
      Quote: bmv04636
      I don’t know, but I would have put him on border patrol ships; not one poaching schooner would have left. They would quickly catch up and put in the most tonsils, it would not seem a little.

      Well, it's a little wasteful ... Cannon-to-Sparrow series. Foreign poachers can be fought with less serious machines.
      1. bmv04636
        bmv04636 22 May 2015 15: 31
        +1
        they don’t react to the requirements of the schooners, but the turn from the Katran cannon sober up very quickly and from a helicopter it seems to me safer to warn from a helicopter than from a ship’s AK
  9. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 22 May 2015 15: 06
    +5
    The base of attack helicopters Ka-52K on large anti-submarine ships, missile cruisers, watchdogs, etc. may be cause for doubt and debate.

    And the most important doubt I personally have from the material of the article is what will be the real combat effectiveness of these shock turntables, if they should work at least in pairs.
    A better link of 4 units. But under such conditions of their combat use, we can still talk about their combat effectiveness.
    Perhaps it is worth designing more compact vessels for these purposes?
    Which can, for example, take a pair of KA-52 and a pair of KA-29 on board and take a small group of fighters for the KA-29 landing.
    Which will be less expensive, but faster to manufacture. At least for the first time.
    We have a defensive doctrine after all. And we need a similarity of AUG if the primary task is to control and protect our own. Accordingly, we also do not need vessels for long voyages.
    And the turntables themselves can still be used from land, for use in the near coastal zone.
    I recently watched on TV how the Mi-24 is used to intercept light and low-speed aircraft in the air defense system. And such a mod. KA-52 will be better in this regard, especially in the coastal zone.
    It is also possible to use against the landing of tactical naval assaults of a potential enemy (including sabotage groups), as well as electronic warfare turrets with serious main armament.
    Or to give part of the border guards, as a means of amplification for MCHPV. You can use such turntables a lot for what else. If you work hard with your brains.
    Any multi-purpose helicopter, even such as the KA-52.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 22 May 2015 16: 02
      -1
      Quote: wanderer_032
      Or to give part of the border guards, as a means of amplification for MCHPV.

      No, no, no ... for starters, the border guards dismantle half of the avionics and armament (say, everything related to ATGMs). Then they will set up emergency fuel tanks and start thinking - how to shove the radar. In short avaricious will pay twice.
      And the crews of these Ka-52KPs will have very specific training (such as an attack by a high-speed vessel with minimal damage to the crew) and many gaps in the standard course (there is no ATGM).

      Ka-52K, if you give it to anyone, it’s the Marines (they will cling to them with teeth - it’s necessary to create a new structure with many posts up to the Commander of the Marine Corps). And the easiest way is to leave it in the Navy MA.
      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 22 May 2015 16: 37
        -1
        Quote: Alexey RA
        No, no, no ... to start, the border guards dismantle half of the avionics and armaments


        Release the helicopter in a simplified version.
        And there are guided missiles for the KA-50/52, "Whirlwind". Do not repeat for those who do not know themselves.
        "Whirlwinds" can easily work on small surface targets such as a boat or something larger. The speed of these turntables is good and not a single intruder will leave the water.
        But the radar will not hurt. Moreover, shove and do not need anything, everything has been around for a long time.

        In November 2011, the program of state tests of the Ka-52 with a modernized sighting and navigation system - with the Arbalet radar - was successfully completed.
        http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-572.html
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 22 May 2015 18: 31
          +2
          Quote: wanderer_032
          Release the helicopter in a simplified version.

          What for? To solve all the problems, the border guards have enough serial versions of the universal Mi-8 (stop the intruder with fire and immediately drop the inspection team). For especially severe cases - the semi-universal Mi-24.
          A clean drummer is too expensive for them and will stand on the ground most of the time.
          In addition, to solve the typical tasks of aviation PV at sea borders booking and BKO Ka-52 are also redundant. Thank God, so far we have not Southeast Asia and Somalia. And Vladik is far from Roanapur. laughing
          Quote: wanderer_032
          And there are guided missiles for the KA-50/52, "Whirlwind". Do not repeat for those who do not know themselves.

          You misunderstood me. I did not write that there was no ATGM on all Ka-52s. I wrote only that with a hypothetical transfer of the Ka-52K to the border guards, these ATGMs would be immediately removed from them. Therefore, the crews of formally shock frontier helicopters will actually have a big gap in training.
          Quote: wanderer_032
          "Whirlwinds" can easily work on small surface targets such as a boat or something larger. The speed of these turntables is good and not a single intruder will leave the water.

          Kamrad, PV is not an army. Their task is not to destroy the offender, but to detain him, and with minimal losses from the offender. And ATGM on boats is overkill.

          If the PW had the task of "delaying at any cost," then the Far East would have run out of seiners and crab catchers long ago. An-72P with their GSh-23 and S-5 blocks would have tried. smile
          1. wanderer_032
            wanderer_032 22 May 2015 20: 52
            0
            Quote: Alexey RA
            If the PW had the task of "delaying at any cost," then the Far East would have run out of seiners and crab catchers long ago. An-72P with their GSh-23 and S-5 blocks would have tried.


            But it would be nice to nevertheless, for some particularly overgrown, thoroughly fuck.
            In order to discourage hunting for a long time in our ter.water waters. And immediately it would be nice and quiet, and the rest would be careful not to climb. But it’s so ... I’m joking laughing
            1. wanderer_032
              wanderer_032 22 May 2015 20: 56
              0
              Quote: Alexey RA
              Kamrad, PV is not an army. Their task is not to destroy the offender, but to detain him, and with minimal losses from the offender.


              Okay. It is clear that for the PV this device is very powerful (in terms of armament) and therefore of little use.
              But as for the rest, you might think.
            2. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 25 May 2015 10: 28
              0
              Quote: wanderer_032
              But it would be nice to nevertheless, for some particularly overgrown, thoroughly fuck.

              So they gouged. When the poachers in the Far East were “introduced into the framework”, in 2001 the NARs sank the Albatross-101.

              Almost World War II at sea: "attack aircraft attacks enemy ship".
    2. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 23 May 2015 03: 05
      +2
      Hi!! How it all starts. it is not necessary another is not necessary. Beauty. Damn specialists. And what to do with Magadan with Kamchatka Chukotka. And there are also such islands of the Kuril Islands called. It’s here that the specialists are ready to give up everything and what to do to the local who lives there. And there are also military men like them. By the way, the Mistrals were agreed at the highest level. And it was not the iron that was of interest, namely the equipment. It interested and the rest is not very. And France was the only country that had a BISUP of its own design with a well-equipped balanced hospital on board. Of course, we can build such a ship, but it will take a lot of time. In general, shipbuilding does not yet allow us to swing. The box can be quickly riveted. The equipment pulls back. this is a problem of problems. It is not possible to quickly solve bottlenecks because some non-critical units of the fleet have been building up for so long. The only way out is to create a large shipbuilding company and one is being built in Primorye. It will pull the entire industry forward; civilian shipbuilding has always pulled the military. Through Kamov’s machines. no need to make noise. The creation of a single strike complex for all aviation has begun. I’m talking about what was reported not so long ago. It’s really a breakthrough. You didn’t notice that any military system is becoming universal. Now even corvettes can solve the tasks that they had only dreamed of before, as well as the new system of helicopters. Today there is one set of tasks, tomorrow it is completely different. And the fleet is doing the right thing despite the problems and inconsistencies. The fleet is a very expensive and knowledge-intensive part of the Russian Armed Forces. Any system for the fleet is created with a foundation for the future. Nobody canceled the demand of the Commander-in-Chief for the fleet. And they are clear and simple. The fleet must independently solve its tasks and successfully confront anyone it has repeated more than once to any enemy. At the Victory Parade you have already seen the face of the new Army. the fleet cannot show that way ...... what it can and what it has. And he, too, can already, and very respectably. These are only the first signs of this new fleet. Good luck to you and clear sky.
  10. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 22 May 2015 15: 46
    +2
    It has been repeatedly claimed that the aviation group DVKD "Mistral" will consist of X-NUMX attack Ka-8K and 52 transport and combat Ka-8. In addition, it was possible to increase the number of aircraft, depending on the characteristics of the planned operation. For the "basic" configuration of two DVKD need 29 helicopters Ka-16K, not counting a few backup machines. At the same time ordered 52 helicopter. It turns out that the order of 32-10 attack helicopters are out of work. Or they are not intended for new amphibious ships.

    No one out of work does not turn out. You yourself write that there was the possibility of increasing the number of aircraft, depending on the features of the planned operation... That is, the Mistral air group was supposed to have a variable composition depending on the tasks. So we ordered 2 * 16 = 32 helicopters of each type according to the maximum capacity of the ships.
    8 Ka-52K - this is the standard multi-purpose version of the download. And nothing prevents, reducing the number of Ka-29, take on board 12-16 Ka-52K, turning the UDC into a helicopter carrier of fire support.
  11. kplayer
    kplayer 22 May 2015 18: 51
    +2
    Still without fiction. Ka-52 - escorting airborne transport helicopters from the airborne landing forces, direct fire support of ground forces, destruction of enemy armored objects, including using the terrain (elevations, buildings, trees, even ravines). Those. if there are no amphibious forces of the fleet with appropriate carriers, des-helicopter carrier ships (UDC, DVKD), then helicopters should be transferred to AA SV, they will be needed, the helicopter should do what it was created for. From the experience of the ILC, after landing, transport and landing helicopters continue to be based on ships, doing rear logistics, attack helicopters are based on the coast, closer to the front, doing direct support (reaction time + combat radius).
    Deck submarine helicopters (they are also carriers of anti-ship missiles, search and rescue, repeaters, transport and landing and support) - any other Kamov (including the new "Kasatka") with the corresponding onboard REO (radar, lowered buoys, IR camera, etc.), but not the specialized Ka-52. On the high seas of aircraft, helicopters are of a certain value due to their basing capabilities, because they are usually versatile and multipurpose.
  12. bandabas
    bandabas 22 May 2015 21: 43
    +3
    Where to find. But francs must fully pay everything. I repeat, ALL costs. These are their problems. And our state should withdraw from them. And God forbid forgive. In such a case, such a government, capable of tearing money only from its citizens, is worthless.
    1. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 23 May 2015 03: 16
      0
      And who said they will forgive. No, this is an involuntarily bright opportunity to show buyers of French weapons the unreliability of the seller. The French are only now beginning to understand what kind of hole they dug for themselves in the future.
      1. 31rus
        31rus 23 May 2015 15: 51
        +1
        We dug a hole for ourselves, too, we are building a plant for the production of helicopter engines with the French, although the issue with the "mistrals" has not been resolved, I can further cite a page on how we are leaving the defense industry from imported components, soon a fairy tale will tell, but you can't do it by talking
  13. 31rus
    31rus 23 May 2015 15: 46
    -2
    Dear, what the dispute is not clear about and what to invent, it will be clearly written to be used from the shore for the needs of the fleet, what is not clear? What is wrong? These are its tasks and equipment, so that it’s enough to cast a shadow over the wattle fence
  14. Nitarius
    Nitarius 24 May 2015 19: 19
    0
    I think that all of them will work!
    And in return for the French to dig .. we’ll build our own!
  15. Tjeck
    Tjeck 25 May 2015 03: 28
    0
    Hmm, a combat helicopter on a combat ship is a very comical situation laughing Is it possible to drive pirates, but you know, it is a great honor for the Samalis to destroy the resource of crocodiles on them ...
  16. mine
    mine 1 June 2015 00: 52
    -1
    This is not an "analyst" but a hell of a bang from a person who has perked himself with Ykspret:
    1. The foolishness from the Ka-52 was immediately apparent - in the absence of a normal naval heavy transport helicopter (and a base for new heavy PLO helicopters and a transport-combat "new Ka29"). Those. instead of bringing the Ka-32 as a "base platform" (which, by the way, would be in demand in civilian life as well), they took the hell out of the Ka-52
    2. Utter nonsense with "large anti-ship missiles" on the helicopter. This can somehow be justified for the West, but not for us (taking into account the presence of 54 cars)
    3. The fact that Mr. Shishkin (the author of this opus) piled up on "Trumpet" is generally difficult to discuss - sheer trash and waste