Konstantin Sivkov: Supporters of the purchase of foreign weapons - outright enemies of Russia

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Konstantin Sivkov: Supporters of the purchase of foreign weapons - outright enemies of RussiaAccording to the expert, modern Russian military equipment is in no way inferior, and even surpasses Western counterparts in a number of parameters ...
“This is a complete madness. Military specialists cannot bear such nonsense, and only those who pretend to be military specialists are capable of saying such things. Modern Russian weapons for almost twenty years have practically not been updated. This happened because in 1991, the treacherous elite came to power in the country. These are toddlers, opportunists, who keep their money in the West, they strive to enrich themselves, their personal skin, their pockets as much as possible. It is this elite that is responsible for the collapse of the Russian army, ”said Konstantin Sivkov, a well-known military expert, Doctor of Military Sciences, Vice-President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, in an interview with the Russian People’s Line, commenting on the proposals of individual experts that Russia should buy military equipment abroad, in the West.

According to RIA News, the Russian military have already stopped buying a Kalashnikov assault rifle. This was announced on Tuesday by the Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Federation Nikolay Makarov. In the near future, the military intend to manage the old stocks of small weapons and wait for the adoption of a new model. But the choice of a modern machine for the army will not be easy. “We refused [them],” commented Makarov on the situation with purchases of AK-74 assault rifles. Refused for a very simple reason. The Ministry of Defense is now forced to partially reduce the mobilization reserve depots where weapons and property are stored. But there are a lot of warehouses left from Soviet times: almost all adults can be armed.

As the observer of RIA Novosti notes, “the most interesting thing in modernization is that a lot of private arms firms can be included in its process on a tender basis. The gross order of hundreds of thousands of “new old” automata from the manufacturer (Izhmash) is actually a purchase from a monopoly. But the improvement competition with state guarantees for placing orders can be won by almost any company that offers a good option. ”

“In the end, in the West there are a lot of firms that, on the orders of private military corporations,“ tune ”their weapons. Tellingly, the typical AKM of the 7.62 caliber is a favorite “platform” of mercenaries, one of the most popular trunks of private security officials in Iraq and Afghanistan, ”the article says further.

As Konstantin Sivkov, in turn, noted, “in the West, the elite is no better than ours.” “There are basically the same skins there as ours. In fact, at present, the intensive development of armaments around the world has stalled. American Tanks "Abrams" M1A2 are no superior, and in many respects they are significantly inferior to Russian T-90 tanks. As for warships, in the United States ships and ships built in 1970-1990 form the basis of the ship’s composition, that is, about the same time as in Russia. According to the US Air Force, it is based on F-15, F-16 aircraft, that is, cars built in the 1970-1990s. Our main fleet consists of Su-27, MiG-29, Su-24 aircraft - that is, aircraft of about the same time. As for the air defense system, the quality of the domestic S-300 complex and the American Patriot complex are almost complete parity. If we take into account our S-400 anti-aircraft missile system, then in the West there is no analogue to it so far. True, for this complex have not yet made a missile with an ultra-long range. But this is a matter of technology and time, ”continued the expert.

“In the West, it was possible to preserve the scientific and technical schools, whereas in our country it was largely destroyed in recent years. But this does not mean that we now have to say goodbye to the remnants of our military-technical school, to the remnants of our military-industrial complex. For twenty years, we have not had enough funding for the defense industry complex. But the latest development of the Kornet missile systems, beginning in the 1990s, showed their complete superiority over similar American complexes. In addition, they are completely superior to armor penetration. In any case, the Israeli tanks, the most powerful and protected of all Western tanks, were not able to withstand even in frontal projection of the Kornet complex, which, by the way, the Israeli leadership itself admitted. The question was asked how Kornet got to Lebanon, and it turned out that in this country he had been tested in combat conditions, ”Sivkov said.

“We are not inferior to the West in the quality of military equipment. However, the leadership of the Ministry of Defense purposefully stifled the defense industrial complex of Russia. If its proper financing existed, then we could fully ensure the supply of our weapons to the troops. Instead, we are offered to pay at exorbitant prices for similar samples of foreign military equipment, ”the expert emphasized.

“I heard statements by a certain Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces, who claimed that the alleged German tank Leopard was three times cheaper than our T-90. Apparently, the commander-in-chief forgot that we are talking about the Leopard of the first modification, which is not suitable for our T-90, and which is kept by the Germans in warehouses, while even in combat units it has not been received for a long time. While the German "Leopards" modifications A5 and A6 are a half to two times more expensive than the domestic T-90, which is equivalent to him in combat qualities. And the best evidence of the high quality of our weapons is that Russian military equipment ranks first in the world in the arms market. By the criterion of cost - efficiency, it is far ahead of Western models, ”said Sivkov.

“We are witnessing how, thanks to the efforts of the current political elite of Russia, absolutely unnecessary Russian the fleet Four universal landing ships of the Mistral type. We see and are witnessing how we purchase foreign Iveco armored vehicles, which in terms of their technical characteristics are completely inconsistent with the operating conditions in Russia and even inferior to our “Wolf” and “Tiger” armored vehicles in terms of available specifications, ”he continued.

“I have to emphasize: the talk about the need to purchase foreign weapons comes from people who are not experts in the field of weapons. If they were specialists, then at least they would behave more finely, they would reason more scientifically, and they would not blurt out publicly such blatant nonsense. I do not understand what kind of people. But, among other things, and this is the main thing - they are frank enemies of Russia who set themselves the task of justifying the destruction of Russia's sovereignty in the sphere of military-technical policy, ”concluded Konstantin Sivkov.
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  1. +9
    10 October 2011 11: 45
    The defense industry enterprise has its own truth - their profitability should be at least 15%that provides development and technical re-equipment, but in fact it does not work out more than 5-7%. The industry, in fact, is stagnating. the state should bear the costs of the technical re-equipment of defense industry enterprises, since there are no own resources to solve these problems today.

    Well, this is a great opportunity to prove in practice that the promised modernization is not empty words
  2. -6
    10 October 2011 11: 50
    And I think that sometimes you need to intimidate our defense industry so that it does not relax. Long-range combat heavy drones still cannot do. Bought Jewish and lo and behold! It turns out that our couple began to invent. About Iveco, Kalash is the same story. And the Mistrals are pure politics. Western technology is needed and it is necessary to start somewhere.
    1. +5
      11 October 2011 07: 35
      half of the best specialists have already fled from lack of money, because I think Medvedev’s words about the defense, about non-fulfillment of the state completely. order, riding hypocrisy in relation to the armies and the people, first collapsed and then also require something,
      1. Alex63
        +1
        12 October 2011 16: 01
        What the current government and the leadership of the Moscow Region do together with it cannot be called a crime. But it is unlikely that in our century all that is happening will be given a fair assessment, all those responsible will be named and deserved. And I would like to catch it.
    2. 0
      21 October 2011 15: 06
      Tell this to the designers, engineers and work collectives of the defense industry enterprises, who saved entire areas solely on their own initiative, receiving for this from 2 to 25 thousand re a month, depending on the rank. All the money, if you didn't know, goes into vacuum cleaners under the names "Rosoboronexport" or "United Aircraft Corporation" and so on ...
  3. +5
    10 October 2011 11: 59
    Just recently, our President Medvedev said that budget spending on defense will not decrease, but even increase. But what lies behind this? Maybe this is preparing public opinion for the fact that military equipment, weapons and various equipment, including uniforms, will be purchased abroad for these additional funds allocated from the budget. Not without reason, lately so much has been said about this, it seems to me that there is a well-thought-out policy whose two goals are to withdraw money abroad and weaken the domestic defense industry.
    1. +6
      10 October 2011 12: 22
      Since the time of the union, Russia has lost one important factor - internal competition. In many types of weapons, the manufacturer (or developer) was left alone. There are several reasons: the collapse of some enterprises and their association, and others. So, without competition, the quality level falls, prices rise and development costs decrease. It is not possible to restore the old defense industry in Soviet volumes, there is no money and sense. So they are trying to create such competition by portion launching world players.

      The tactics are certainly controversial, I would be more calm if our defense ministry invested, for example, in Ukraine, so that it would compete in armored vehicles and aircraft with ours, with a high degree of cooperation.

      But Western technology is still needed. It is enough to see who is the developer of the computers for which you are reading this comment.
      1. Belalal
        0
        20 November 2011 18: 16
        At one time, processors were developed in the USSR that exceeded all existing foreign developments by 150-480 times in their characteristics.
        But this development was closed for one reason - the lack of software. Programs written for 386 stones "flew" on our processors, because of which we had to forcibly underestimate the frequencies on the stone and RAM.
        In general, it turned out to be laborious and unpromising. Therefore, the development went into a different structure, and we began to overwhelm Intel products ...
    2. ytqnhfk
      +1
      10 October 2011 13: 53
      I liked the article written correctly. Amers do not have many new weapons. In fact, they are fighting the old ones, which is no better than ours, but if we now leave new developments and deliveries we don’t have time for them now, and then we will definitely be behind them in 5-10 years .Our scientists now want to buy what has been done and developed in the 90s, but the warriors want new weapons about this, they already know everything and the troops have passed the tests — they want new developments that are more powerful and meet the requirements of new threats.
  4. Ruslan
    +12
    10 October 2011 12: 41
    foreign samples are needed to be sawn and looked inside, no more. look at the Chinese!
  5. +3
    10 October 2011 13: 05
    I agree with Russlan, about the "Mistrals" on the air they said that we need them with full documentation for the electronic filling, I think no one will argue that in electronics we have lagged behind for more than a dozen years and that is how we must fill the gap. When the negotiations on the Mistrals were going on, it was said openly that in our Wishlist it was the participation of our specialists in the assembly and adjustment of equipment, of course, don't know how the negotiations ended, but I doubt that we stupidly bought an iron trough.
    1. ZIV
      +3
      10 October 2011 13: 54
      And also with an indication of all the "bookmarks"! wink Otherwise, it will be like in Iraq, when all Western technology "stalled" on a signal! winked
      And it’s good if they don’t drown, but simply become immobilized and fall into a drift.
    2. Belalal
      0
      20 November 2011 18: 21
      "Mistrals" are given to us in the form of "boxes" with hodovka, and the installation of all equipment (including electronics) will be carried out at the outfitting walls in Russia.
      Officially, this is done "in order to attract our military-industrial complex to participate in the work" and "to reduce the cost of the final product through the use of our own components."
      But in reality - judge for yourself. We could build such a "box" ourselves ...
  6. vv1263os
    +8
    10 October 2011 13: 06
    So, to purchase foreign weapons, then remake ammunition for it. Then it will be easier for us (not for us) to fight on our territory. All warehouses will be in place. No need to provide ammunition. Fight - I do not want. Critters !!! I would kill all their families to the seventh knee, as in blood feud, so that no one would carry such crap in the future.
    1. 0
      10 October 2011 13: 26
      vv1263os emotionally! too :)
      1. +1
        10 October 2011 23: 29
        A person can be understood. These "rearmament buyers" are projecting a defeat for our country, and I react to news about such purchases in about the same way.
        And on the other hand, why not even buy a little? Namely a LITTLE! To look inside, tear or create your own.
        But in general, before abandoning the obsolete, you must first create the latest ... right?
        1. 0
          11 October 2011 16: 28
          Strange ... Why "minus"? Did I say something wrong?
    2. mind1954
      +3
      11 October 2011 01: 15
      So they have children and grandchildren for a long time in the "west". To you this fool, daughter
      A.B. Pugacheva explained everything. And here they make money until the last
      breathing. Citizenship and Inheritance Laws passed
      quite recently - they pulled "to the last". According to the constitution, a citizen of the Russian Federation
      one citizenship is supposed, and all this public "grabbed" as much as they could.
      But in the end, it's okay - make a choice. No - it was said
      that the law has no retroactive force !!! So for most of us,
      the highest law is the constitution, and a minority, with stolen money
      and power, they wanted to spit on him!
  7. zczczc
    -1
    10 October 2011 13: 11
    No matter how they removed it ...
  8. 0
    10 October 2011 13: 15
    That's who I am ready to vote for as president .....

    Now they’ll definitely take off) ...
  9. itr
    0
    10 October 2011 14: 05
    Strongly!
    Get fired and that's for sure
    Well, all the same, I think that in the defense industry, not everything is as good as it is written in this article
  10. +1
    10 October 2011 14: 06
    In the Union there have always been competing factories and design bureaus for aviation, missile and other equipment .. Which led to high product quality, plus a constant aggression, syndrome after the Second World War, made people fool but do better than the enemy !
    Now this fear is not in the minds, but the threat is real, and now the situation is very difficult for the Russian military-industrial complex, pity we really need to at least restore the ties between the design bureaus and factories that were under the Soviets! And then we can’t even build new submarines because metal for them always came from Ukraine, and now we must look for new suppliers somewhere ..
  11. Hannibal
    +1
    10 October 2011 14: 17
    You just need to buy everything on a competitive basis and for all enterprises to participate in the competition, without exception. And then in our country with weapons there is already a monopoly, there are no competitors, respectively, and the quality leaves much to be desired. And all promising projects need to be developed, and not to forget how it is accepted.
    We made the "TERMINATOR" and forgot about it safely, after all, it was possible to develop this idea, for me the idea is very promising ... so are the automatic machines, put up for the AN-94 competition and forgot, but it would be possible to develop it further, simplify design, finalize and it would be a sweetie, and now they are again developing something to replace the AK, a useless waste of money, now they will do something, say the front sight and rear sight are not like that and will forget, and in 5 years they will again invent something new. We have a lot of weapons, taking as a basis, you can make something worthwhile. You need to invest money in your defense industry so that promising companies develop and have worthy competitors.
  12. KASKAD
    -11
    10 October 2011 14: 43
    The author is the same expert in weapons as I am a ballerina, the Leopard is in no way inferior to the 18 modification T72 Bu ga ga Well, all over the world they are fools, but we all have no analogues.
    "We are in no way inferior to the West in the quality of Russian military equipment."
    This is generally pi @ dec for the simplest quality comparison, the AK74M resource is 10-12 thousand shots, the M4A1 has 100-150 thousand shots, about the quality of equipment, I think that everyone who drove a VAZ 2106 and even the simplest versions feel the difference absolutely the same with military equipment, of course, what we buy abroad is shit but no one will sell modern.
    1. +1
      10 October 2011 15: 16
      no need to compare a Mercedes with a centuries-old history, with our vase, which was the secondary production of consumer goods. And I can give an example: how much is a Mercedes repair and how much is a vase compare
      1. 0
        10 October 2011 18: 03
        It’s better if household appliances and cars are shit, but tanks are the best! In our situation, the priorities are set correctly.
    2. Tyumen
      0
      10 October 2011 19: 51
      KASKAD

      Military experts cannot carry such nonsense, and only those who impersonate military specialists are capable of saying such nonsense.
      K. Sivkov.
    3. +1
      10 October 2011 23: 41
      "M4A1 has a resource of 100-150 thousand shots" - oh ya! Das ist fantastical! Why not a million? And if without swearing, then up to 15000 (fifteen thousand). Not too far from our Kalash. As for our military equipment, here's a real story. In the late 90s, one military unit was disbanded. And a trencher was standing near the fence of that military unit. He stood somewhere since the early 70's in the rain and snow, as he was thrown there. The paint peeled off, rusted in places. And one friend of mine decided to steal this car. He came, began to examine, he sees that everything seems to be fine inside. I decided to start it purely for fun. And the digger started up! There was a solar oil in the tank, and the battery gave a spark - much more than 20 years later! And he was immediately stopped by its own power. Now this acquaintance is busy digging ditches, trenches ... and makes a good job. And you say ...
    4. Mr. Truth
      0
      11 October 2011 00: 33
      Do you yourself believe in such a resource of 150 thousand shots? With such powder pressure and speeds?
      I won’t say anything about the leopard, it’s necessary to look at the modifications.
      1. KASKAD
        0
        17 October 2011 17: 43
        The metal parts are processed using Tenifer QPQ technology, which gives the weapon smooth operation, better wear resistance, greater durability and good resistance to rust. The process consists of azo cementation, oxidative cooling and a combination of polishing and oxidation. The barrel is made of high-quality chrome-nickel-molybdenum castings, the same, however, hardened to high values ​​of hardness of about 55-62 HRC and then subjected to cementation, oxidation and nitriding using Tenifer QPQ technology to values ​​of 750 HV.

        There are different trunks. I don’t argue there are German trunks that are killed in a couple of thousand shots, but they are designed for sports and their accuracy is less than 1 arc minute, there are trunks with chrome accuracy suffers from this, although the resource is increased to 20-25 thousand shots, and there are trunks made according to the technology described above, their resource in the region of 100 thousand. Well, about 150 thousand I admit I went too far, but the meaning of this does not change, for example, the resource PY is exactly 1 thousand. shots, Glock resource 17 under the guarantee of the plant 150 shots, but there are instances that shot 000 thousand and the barrel is in excellent condition i.e. to shoot up to 250 thousand really. By the way, the Moscow OMON with Glock 300 performs combat missions, and trains with the CZ17B.
  13. +1
    10 October 2011 15: 02
    That's just in any rifle center they (M4A1) are lying with a load, and if they shoot, then only with their own ammunition.
    Half are skewed, half are skewed ... and yes RESOURCE.

    In the same rifle centers, an ordinary saiga is just not 12-caliber)
    Ammunition manufacturer - anyone, just to get into the barrel of a bullet.
    And nothing, everything eats and peels.
    But I agree - - deleted - scary, no resource
    )))))))))

    By the way, I could be wrong, but I heard that Amers even have a position at the platoon - an armourer engineer ...
    It repairs these very distortions.
  14. KASKAD
    -4
    10 October 2011 15: 15
    Understand if the tractor drives and grunts in diesel fuel with donkey urine, then Mercedes only rides on high-quality high-octane gasoline.
    Show me Russian-made cartridges that are comparable in manufacturing quality and gunpowder quality to at least remington cartridges?
    And on Saiga, tell me my friend’s trunk is bent to your right or left? Or is the whole pillar upside down? If everything is fine with you and even your saiga falls into at least an A4 sheet at 100m, then you most likely went to different shops more than once and looked for your saiga with a direct trunk. And what lies in any rifle center, if it still lies there, I’ve never seen an example, then past r @ obviously cartridges there are people with their heads and hands growing in the wrong place, which either don’t care or shoot, deleted - cartridges, maybe everything of course can and some kind of marriage has crept in, and it’s possible that someone likes to poke Chinese parts or use USM to polish to madness and then says that my whole rifle is buggy.
    1. Joker
      0
      10 October 2011 15: 42
      I have a saiga smoothbore of the 20th caliber, getting into A4 sheet from a hundred meters is not a problem.

      Do not escalate.
      1. KASKAD
        0
        11 October 2011 17: 13
        About rifled speech, and pellets that fly 20 meters from 100 caliber are fantastic 20 caliber max 45 meters
        1. Joker
          0
          20 November 2011 23: 21
          So I'm a fantastic character with a fantastic shotgun with fantastic accuracy.

          In general, all I write is an illusion of your consciousness.
    2. 0
      10 October 2011 23: 44
      One thing is civil production, which is really so-so with us, another thing is military. The weapon, especially under socialism, was made very efficiently; the best - 40s - 50s. With the good grandfather, Stalin didn’t do shit at all - it was dangerous ...
    3. mind1954
      +1
      11 October 2011 01: 37
      Citizen. Now on "Zvezda" at 18.30 there is a documentary
      series "Cars in uniform". There are German footage
      newsreels shot completely stunned
      operators, where on an absolutely gouged road along the belly
      our ZIS-5 crawls in liquid mud, and on the sides of the road and on it
      stuck and stalled German and scattered to death
      European auto technology! What a moron you have to be
      take courage to make judgments from comparison
      Mercedes car and Lada. You are a citizen, as you said
      classic, fool or scoundrel.
      1. KASKAD
        0
        4 November 2011 03: 29
        What kind of moron must mind1954 be to call the ZIS-5 (manufactured under license from Ford) "Our"?
        Yes, and watch out for the expressions, damn.
        1. +1
          9 November 2011 12: 55
          Not quite so. ZIS-5 is our development, And the base was AMO_2 or 3, so it was, it was assembled from a Ford machine kit. But the ZIS-5 is a completely different machine.
    4. Fantom75100
      0
      17 October 2011 21: 11
      Quote: KASKAD
      Show me Russian-made cartridges that are comparable in manufacturing quality and gunpowder quality to at least remington cartridges?

      Take an interest in export cartridges (including for the USA) from the Barnaul machine-tool factory.
      1. KASKAD
        -2
        4 November 2011 03: 37
        If Barnaul is exporting something, then these cartridges have become perfect? Do you think the states are grabbing them in batches? It’s just that the Americans have a stereotype if they bought SVD for gunfire then they must definitely buy Russian cartridges, as they think they are specially designed for this weapon, but they are as far from the truth as Kamchatka is to Crimea, but nevertheless they have enough for gunfights for banks , although the majority after they clean the bucket of soot from our cartridges go to the native American with them by the way and the accuracy in two increases.
  15. ytqnhfk
    +5
    10 October 2011 15: 17
    Well, because the amers refused to rave trunks using our technology! Therefore, everyone who fought in Vietnam recognized that the Kalash is the best weapon! You either do not know, my friend, or a disinformer! Well, your comparisons of the six with the Merc, in principle, said everything about your knowledge of weapons, I advise you to look the cycle of transmissions "striking force!" - attentively and most importantly without emotion and to the end, at least about the Kalash! And finally, if he is so bad, then why have the whole world been fighting them for 60 years ??? and according to all forecasts, they will fight almost as much ??????
    1. -8
      10 October 2011 15: 22
      I advise you to watch the transmission cycle "impact force!"

      See for yourself this program, it is from the series "visiting a fairy tale" ...
      1. +5
        10 October 2011 15: 27
        Well then, look at the American "ten best rifles in the world", and see who comes first, and how their experts speak of the leader.
        1. KASKAD
          -4
          10 October 2011 15: 41
          Do you think the American press is less fabulous than ours?
      2. ytqnhfk
        -2
        10 October 2011 15: 31
        Well, you know better !! Only there are no fairy tales there, there are specific dates and conflicts of those times, but in fact you did not see anything !!!!!!!!
      3. KASKAD
        +1
        10 October 2011 15: 37
        Thank! for comment on the end, then reasonable people went.
    2. +4
      10 October 2011 15: 26
      Comrade KASKAD exaggerates a little about the remnant of all our weapons from the west. But it is worth giving it its due, much of the Russian weapons are far behind in quality and characteristics from the western. This applies to almost all communication systems, drones, artillery, soldier protection equipment and much more.

      As for small arms, much depends on the requirements. Apparently, AK today, in spite of all its advantages (cheapness and stability) does not cope with the new requirements.

      Adequately evaluate everything.
      1. ytqnhfk
        0
        10 October 2011 15: 36
        At the expense of communication and electronics I agree with you amers here are better equipped!
    3. KASKAD
      -6
      10 October 2011 15: 26
      Impact Strength This is a PR gear cycle there in each gear we have all the best in the world is it true? You are not competent once you give me references not to the normal technical characteristics but to the yellow press. My comparison of the six with Merc didn’t tell you anything about my knowledge, I brought this comparison so as not to strain the weak brain of some readers.
      They are fighting with him because in Africa, for example, Kalash can be bought for chicken!
      If M4A1 or G36 could also be bought for chicken, do you think everyone ran with Kalash ??????
      What do you know about Vietnam?
      Yes, not what, somewhere I heard somewhere and all right?
      In Vietnam, the Ministry of Defense saved on the production of ammunition and eventually went into the army cartridges with smoke powder,
      although the company Colt has repeatedly warned that it is strictly forbidden to use such ammunition. And all the stories about what kind of M16 went bad from there, 50 years passed, M4A1 embodied the achievements of the whole world over these 50 years, and the Kalash changed its caliber because without reliability, there’s no sense if you can’t get anywhere.
      1. 0
        10 October 2011 15: 34
        If M4A1 or G36 is transferred under our cartridge (and it will cost twice as much as the original).
        Knight's Armament hastily created such a rifle, it received the designation SR-47 and soon got into Afghanistan.
        The SR-47 is a modification of the M4A1 carbine, which, in turn, is essentially a lightweight and diminished copy of the M16А2 assault rifle developed by designer Eugene Stoner. The main feature of the new weapon was the use of Soviet 7,62 x 39 mm cartridges of the 1943 g sample from stores from AK-47 and AKM assault rifles.

      2. ytqnhfk
        0
        10 October 2011 15: 35
        I ask you not to poke me, I respect you, and therefore with you on you, but about the yellow press so you look first and then answer well, and about the "weak brains" why decide for others what kind of brains there are people here and are very educated!
        1. KASKAD
          +2
          10 October 2011 15: 50
          I apologize, I could not restrain my emotions, I watched this series of programs and if you look at the series about MI28 and Ka 52, then in each series they say that this car is the best in the world and the opposite is complete rubbish.
          1. ytqnhfk
            +2
            10 October 2011 16: 14
            I agree that there is a share of advertising in these programs, but we need to educate our youth as well! If we shout that all the best is abroad, we will have no choice but to disappear from the face of this planet! It is necessary to take into account shortcomings and mistakes and do better so do everything on earth !!!
            1. KASKAD
              -1
              16 October 2011 01: 23
              Didn’t you try to tell the truth? Or do you think young people are dumb at all?
          2. andr4ew
            0
            10 October 2011 19: 13
            why do you need a head, one for this and another for that
      3. 0
        10 October 2011 15: 52
        That's it with Kalash everyone would run.
        I would choose what if your life depended on your weapon, and God forbid that something would be wrong, at the most inopportune moment .. Or you don’t remember how the Amers in Vietnam threw their guns and ran with the same Kalash ?

        A six with a Merc, if you want, let's compare, just compare the six with some sort of traban (a car of the same class) and the Merc with conscientious cars of a representative class, with Seagull or Zil for example and see who is better
      4. ytqnhfk
        +1
        10 October 2011 15: 57
        M 16 rifle !! And not a machine gun! And I know a lot about Vietnam because I READ a lot and talked to people who were really there! Well, now in essence: a weapon, like a fighter in a war, is in extreme conditions and if the weapon surrenders, then the fighter becomes a "hare "-the target, therefore, reliability should be in the first place! Well, on the 100th Kalash series, the recoil is specifically reduced, which increased the accuracy. By the way, the Abakan 95 assault rifle shoots a burst at the target quite calmly!
        1. 0
          10 October 2011 16: 01
          I myself would choose what if your life depended on your weapon, and God forbid that something was wrong with him, at the most inopportune moment.

          I would choose AEK 971 or 973 according to the situation ...
        2. 0
          11 October 2011 00: 16
          The M-16 runs just like an "automatic". Abroad, and AK is called "automatic rifle", so by that logic, he is also a rifle. In general, now a machine gun is called a weapon for a reduced rifle cartridge - the same AK, M-16, and so on.
          1. KASKAD
            -1
            11 October 2011 15: 26
            There is no concept of "Automatic machine" anywhere in the world of our rush
        3. KASKAD
          0
          11 October 2011 15: 14
          Abakan is a cuckoo clock, that’s how all the wire weights in the machine look like, God forbid, you have to clean it in the field. and with accuracy it doesn’t stand out after two accurate shots; everything else flies anywhere but not into the target
          1. 0
            9 November 2011 13: 11
            And would you with great pleasure clean the m-16 or a-4 in the field with their bucket of nuts, pins, and other little things? But then, in battle, Kalash will be kneeling in seconds. And you will live!
      5. 0
        11 October 2011 00: 10
        "In Vietnam, the Ministry of Defense saved money on the production of ammunition and, as a result, went to the troops with black powder cartridges,
        although the Colt company has repeatedly warned that it is strictly forbidden to use such ammunition. And all the stories about how bad the M16 went exactly from there, 50 years have passed M4A1 has embodied the developments of the whole world for these 50 years, and the Kalash has changed its caliber because there is no point in having no trouble-free operation if you can't get to where you are. If there was black powder, neither the Kalashnikov nor the M-16 would have had automatic equipment working; Colt is one of the largest manufacturers of cartridges for his own weapons in the United States - has he spoiled them himself? Caliber 7.62, release 50- x is an excellent accurate weapon, much better than 5.45 of the 70s. It's not about the caliber, but about the quality of the barrel and the cartridge. It is now low, but under socialism it was closely monitored. The M-16 is better than the Kalashnikov in many ways: it is lighter ( albeit not much), more precisely (again, not fundamentally more accurate), someone finds it even more applied. But! No reliability. It will not work in sand and mud - a fact. And if the M-16 were worth one chicken, it Negroes in Namibia whipped with South African people - those M-16s had, and Negroes did not take this trophy, knew that the weapon was capricious. In general, shoot somehow, compare (I had such an opportunity), then judge.
        1. Sergh
          +1
          4 November 2011 05: 01
          An independent study showed that the failure of American weapons was one of the reasons why the US Army suffered significant losses during the battle in the Wanat village of Afghanistan in the summer of 2008, the Associated Press reports. The report, compiled by Douglas Kubbison (Douglas Cubbison) of the Combat Studies Institute of the US Army (Combat Studies Institute, CSI), is not available for public access, but some journalists have already been able to get a copy of it.

          The battle in the area of ​​the village of Vanat occurred on July 13, 2008. Nine American soldiers died in a shootout with gunmen. Another 27 soldiers were injured. The attack involved about 200 people. They were armed with AK-47 assault rifles and hand grenade launchers.

          Douglas Kabbison interrogated the participants of the battle, and found out that American rifles often failed, especially when they were in fully automatic mode. According to one of the military Eric Phillips (Erich Phillips), when the rebels surrounded the base, his automatic carbine M4 stopped shooting. He tried to shoot back with a machine gun, but he also failed.

          Chris McKaig, who also took part in the shootout, noted that his M4 overheated about half an hour after the start of the battle. Because of this, he could not reload the rifle and had to drop it.

          In addition, the military complained about the unreliability of the M249 light machine guns, which have a rate of fire up to 750 rounds per minute. Corporal Jason Bogar managed to fire about 600 shots, after which his weapon went out of order due to overheating. Bogar died during the shootout, however, as noted in the report, no one saw what caused his death.

          The M4 carbine is based on the M16A2 rifle. It has a shortened barrel and a telescopic butt. The carbine was adopted by the U.S. Army in 1994. Currently, approximately 500 M4s are in operation.

          In recent years, the rifle is often criticized for its low reliability. In particular, the M4 is inferior in the number of total failures to the XM8, HK416, and SCAR machines. In May 2008, representatives of the US Congress, the Pentagon and defense companies called for a refusal to purchase these carbines on a non-competitive basis. It is assumed that this will make it possible to choose the best automatic rifle for the American army at the moment.
  16. +2
    10 October 2011 15: 55
    The fact that the military-industrial complex deliberately spread rot ... fact. The military can not clearly articulate what they really need ... stupid mooing ... everything is bad and that’s all. Indeed, the military-industrial complex suggests that it was designed and manufactured according to the technical specifications of the military, now they are completely refused .In the early days, everything was sovereign and he kept track of what and how much was required. There was a clear doctrine of how to reward everything ... it all starts. What is the military-industrial complex ... the private sector is right, and the leaders there do not always put the interests of the state at the forefront ... the flow of temptations. Who supplies the materials and energy resources to the factories of the military-industrial complex ... the oligarchs are right, they don’t live here at all and the loot is more important to them than the Fatherland. And we have what we have. The most important thing is that the plants worked and produced products ... stop production is easy ... run years are required.
    1. +2
      10 October 2011 16: 03
      Regarding the presence of commerce in the defense industry.
      Take for example two companies RRK Energy and VSMPO - AVISMA.
      These are the world's largest manufacturers of their products. As far as I am informed, there are no complaints, and they feel great.

      Izhmash is also a public company, and it feels bad.
      The question arises - with what fright is commerce to blame? Here the fault is not in the type of organization, but in specific people, managers and the absence of a development strategy for the entire defense industry.

      As they say: cutlets separately, flies separately!

      For reference: in the US, manufacturers of all weapons are private corporations, which does not prevent them from making the best weapons in the world.
      1. +1
        10 October 2011 16: 13
        but the fact is that the state and not only the company invests money in the development of armaments, the company offers an idea, and on the contrary the state says: we will not buy your weapons, let's get new, and where you take the development money we don’t care
        1. 0
          10 October 2011 16: 50
          This is not an organization type question. And of course I agree.
    2. KASKAD
      +1
      11 October 2011 15: 29
      In ancient times, a reconnaissance network worked and they knew at least something about the news of the likely enemy and on that basis did those tasks now there’s nothing there they are (MO) and rushing around without knowing what they want
  17. +2
    10 October 2011 16: 19
    Quote: danilatrg
    For reference: in the US, manufacturers of all weapons are private corporations, which does not prevent them from making the best weapons in the world.

    Not quite so, the military sector of these corporations is controlled by the state and is actually state-owned, they cannot even sell abroad without the permission of the state. The defense industry in all countries is controlled ..
    1. 0
      10 October 2011 16: 50
      It’s clear :) We should have the same, if not already. The fact is that a commercial organization has a set of advantages over FSUE. The first thing that comes to mind is the cost and availability of capital.
    2. andr4ew
      0
      10 October 2011 19: 18
      except ours, for big money you can buy any
  18. merkawa
    -1
    10 October 2011 17: 33
    Maybe this will spur our gunsmiths? As for electronics and communications, I agree that we are behind, there was little time and money spent on them. Yes, and fathers of commanders should be taught to use them fully fellow
  19. zavesa01
    +6
    10 October 2011 18: 25
    1-Kalashnikov assault rifle is an assault rifle. 2- tales about the reliability and reliability of the AK and the absolute non-survivability of Western samples have already been obtained. Dear, do you think that all the armies of the Western world are equipping their soldiers with unusable weapons? 3- in Vietnam, American soldiers used AK during raids in the rear, not when clearing the area. Everything is explained simply, in case of unwanted combat contact, the sound of shots of someone else's weapon will be tracked giving out the number and disposition of the group. 3- AK assault rifles are mainly armed with African Niches Asian countries where the main thing is cheapness. AK in Africa can be exchanged for chicken. If we want to see our army with the level of development of soldiers equal to the level of these countries, then the flag is in our hands. The most reliable firearm is a musket (children in the 5th grade make self-propelled guns for nothing). Fire contact during the Second World War lasted an average of 15-20 minutes for this battle, an AK was created with its accuracy and rate of fire, at that time it fully satisfied all the requirements. 60 years have passed now, the time of fire contact has been reduced to 3-8 minutes. Modern combat puts forward the following requirements: a distance over 100-150 m high-precision small arms, 50-100 m are the most effective grenade launchers, up to 50 m high-speed systems. In the future, the army should arm itself with the so-called. combat complexes combining these requirements. In modern combat, it is not the squad that leads, but the battle groups. A soldier must know and be able to use MODERN weapons. Do not assume that the preparation of l / s will take a lot of time, do not need to think that there are only ignoramuses around you. Among other things, the country needs a free sale of weapons, his cult died in Russia. To paraphrase one person, I will say: "Are there any friends among your friends who are ready to shoot at anything that moves?" Not among mine. Weapons manufacturers need a market and a level of demand. A country can provide both. The question is different - an armed man is a free man capable of defending his rights with a weapon in his hands. Only a slave is not allowed a weapon. But our state will not agree to this. Maybe I wrote a little chaotic sorry, I have no literary education.
    1. Tyumen
      +2
      10 October 2011 20: 20
      I noticed that you are a fan of Western weapons, but in Vietnam, amers used AK precisely because of reliability, and not because of some kind of sound.
      Read the memories of their veterans - ALMOST EVERYONE KILLED AND WOUNDED
      in battle, they were amazed at the time when they tried to fix the jammed M-16. And how many complaints were there about the neck of the store, into which to get without looking or at night
      only a virtuoso could. AK such a flaw is completely devoid of (their words).
      And how many M-16 trunks were torn there due to the fact that all the water that got or condensed didn’t flow out of the barrel of a small caliber and a peculiar rifling pitch.
      ALL M-16s returning from Vietnam were completely unrepairable.
      Look for information about the arming of this toy, and find out that our businessmen did not stand next to their corporations. What was the big scandal with the cartridges equipped with almost smoky gunpowder, about which the hucksters did not even bother to warn the US Army by supplying them. And for the M-16, in which there is NO gas piston, and all the smoke hits directly inside the rifle, this is death. I already wrote about the rammer. This is not a military weapon, at best a sporting one.
      1. 0
        11 October 2011 00: 45
        Damn, how tired the tale of smoke powder in cartridges for M-16 ... A report in the US Senate in 1972 reported, was using cordite powder with increased smoke production that did not meet modern requirements, and there was an urgent need to develop a new kind of smokeless powder. And by 1974, the amers made the same gunpowder (sorry, I don’t remember how it is called according to the nomenclature, but laziness is too late to look at the directories), and it’s better than ours, by the way.
    2. +1
      11 October 2011 00: 39
      By the way, in the world there are machines no less tenacious and reliable than AK. These are automatic machines from Heckler-Koch. Only ours again bypasses them - in the price of production, it is about 3-5 times cheaper.

      About fire contact and your views on modern weapons - I agree. Only ours can create and create this modern weapon. And bring to mind. And set production.

      But about the cult of weapons I absolutely agree with you. And in general, a weapon is not only an automatic weapon, it’s also ourselves, ready to fight with everything that moves, paraphrasing you. And in general, people usually can’t imagine what can be done with the enemy with their hands. And if there is a knife ... This approach just saved me once.
      1. Tyumen
        +1
        12 October 2011 04: 39
        I wrote * almost smoky *. Delivery, and not one was? - was. Was there a breakdown? - were. You have not disproved anything. And HK was not in a big war to believe him that way. It is necessary to kill such experts, Studebaker give him! fellow
    3. KASKAD
      +2
      11 October 2011 15: 34
      In ancient Rome, in the code of laws it was written: A slave can carry a weapon with him only with the written permission of the owner.

      What does not it remind?
  20. nickname bj
    0
    10 October 2011 19: 35
    Seriously? And the people read and think: The Tsar does not know ... We must go and tell him everything ...
  21. vv1263os
    +2
    10 October 2011 19: 54
    I apologize for the emotions .... I could not restrain myself.
    As for the military-industrial complex, I think if the machine park is not modern, well, or at least as on Energia, then we will not wait for improvements in the quality of weapons soon. In the late 70s, before being drafted, he himself worked at a defense enterprise on a Krupp machine made in 1936. I think even now the situation is no better at some enterprises.
    And about Akashka - he helped me out more than once, you just have to get used to it. Well, our father-commander spared no ammunition to teach us how to shoot and not be a "hare" target.
  22. 0
    10 October 2011 20: 12
    OUR LADIES-G-BUT! BUT RUSSIAN WEAPONS ALWAYS BEEN THE BEST IN THE WORLD - FROM THE BLADE OF A NEVSKI TO MODERN TANKS AND ROCKET! In the case of warriors who will sponsor us BP and SP!
  23. kesa1111
    +5
    10 October 2011 20: 54
    A beautiful candidate for the post of minister. Cerdyuk naturally with confiscation.
  24. +3
    10 October 2011 21: 26
    This happened because in 1991 the treacherous elite came to power in the country. These are lackeys, opportunists who keep their money in the West, they strive to enrich themselves, their personal skin, their pocket as much as possible. It is this elite that is responsible for the collapse of the Russian army ”,

    That's always the case! The strange elite is not true! Not a single surname, not a single name! Who buys? What are they buying?
    Probably everything is in auto mode?
  25. -4
    10 October 2011 21: 32
    I believe that the heart corrects the stick! VPK is now in private hands, but how to stir them up? - only sobering competition ... without the measures of a serdyuk for the purchase of electronic equipment, our VPK will turn into an analogue of civilian automotive industry and you can certainly put a cross on it then.
  26. +2
    10 October 2011 23: 40
    Do not offend Kalash. Accuracy on 400 m. It gives normal. Its main tasks are to create sufficient density of fire and at the same time not to jam from intensive shooting in the field. And he successfully performs these tasks like no one else in the world. And if you need accuracy, use a sniper rifle. It doesn’t occur to anyone to hammer in nails with a microscope, everyone uses a hammer, although a microscope can also be, the tripod is massive. But for each work there should be its most suitable tool.
    With regards to the purchase of foreign weapons, the samples need to be purchased in small batches, studied, and borrowed successful technical. solutions and implement in the production of their own weapons. but on the whole I agree with the author. There are no patriots in the current Russian "elite".
  27. -1
    11 October 2011 00: 25
    As for the supply of new and modernized equipment to the troops
    Modernization of the Su-25 aircraft The modernized aircraft will be called the Su-25SM.

    Find at least one weapon difference from the Su -25 ...........

    Extract from the technical conditions for the manufacture and delivery


    APPROVED

    Head of AT and B Department of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for
    ensuring the state defense order

    April 27, 2011
    MODERNIZED PLANE
    Sioux 25SM

    SPECIFICATIONS
    for the manufacture, testing, acceptance and supply of aircraft
    81.0000.M.004.998

    2.4.1 Ten wing structurally made on the aircraft: No. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 and one dorsal: No. 6 - suspension points.
    2.4.1.1 Suspension points Nos. 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10 are designed for the suspension of aircraft weapons and weapons units, suspension points Nos. 1, 6, 11 are for suspension of containers with additional equipment.
    2.4.1.2 To increase the flight range of the aircraft, two or four PTB-3 fuel tanks (25, 01, or 800, 3, 5, and 3 suspension points, respectively) are suspended on the beam holders BD5-7SM-9.
    2.4.2 For aiming during bombing, launching unguided and guided missiles and firing from cannons, the aircraft is equipped with the PrNK-25SM ("56CM") aviation sighting and navigation system, which includes the Klen-PS laser ranging and illumination station.
    2.4.3 Aircraft design, suspension units and the 39PM weapon control system, together with the aiming and navigation complex, ensure the use of:
    - unguided and guided aircraft missiles;
    - unguided bombs;
    - built-in fixed gun mount VPU-17A with a gun of the type GSH-30;
    - the same and mixed weapons options;
    - reset of the PTB.
    2.4.4 To control the actions of the pilot, the aircraft is equipped with an on-board television system for the objective monitoring of combat training T-SOK-UBD-130-04.
    2.4.5 Suspension of weapons in the same or mixed versions of military equipment is stipulated in the RLE of the Su-25SM aircraft.

    2.4.6. Missile and artillery weapons of an airplane.

    2.4.6.1. Guided and Adjustable Missile Weapons

    No. Types of missiles Marks of missiles Quantity Quantity and types
    starting devices and holders
    1 Guided missiles with LGSN Kh-25ML 4 Launcher APU-68-UM2 (or
    APU-68-85) on beam holders
    BDZ-25SM-01 (at 3, 4, 8 and 9 suspension points)
    S-25L S-25LD 4 Launcher O-25L on beam holders BDZ-25SM-01 (on 3, 4, 8 and 9 suspension points)
    X-29L 2 Launcher AKU-58, transition beam BDZ 25SM-AKU (or AKU-MBD), transition harness AKU-58, 86.8300.M.001.991 (at 5 and 7 points)
    2 R-73 (E) air-to-air guided missiles 2 Launcher P-72-1DB-2 on pylon-holders BDZ-25SM-01 (at 2 and 10 suspension points) through transition nodes 86.8801.5.225.000 and 86.8801.5.235.000

    2.4.6.2. Unguided missile weapons

    No. Number and type of launchers and holders Projectile type Quantity
    1 8 blocks B-13L on beam holders BDZ-25SM-01 (suspension points No. 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10) Type S-13 shells 40 pcs.
    2 8 blocks B-8M-1 on beam holders BDZ-25SM-01 (suspension points No. 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10) Shells
    type S-8M 160 pcs.
    3 8 starting devices APU-68-UM2 (or APU-68-85) on beam holders BDZ-25SM-01 (suspension points No. 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10) S-24B 8 pcs .
    4 8 launchers O-25L on beam holders BDZ-25SM-01 (suspension points 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10) type S-25 8 pcs.





    2.4.6.3. Cannon weapons
    The cannon armament of the aircraft consists of one built-in fixed cannon mount VPU-17A with a 9A623 gun of 30 mm caliber, having a variable rate of fire 1: 1, 1: 4, 1: 8, 1:16. The standard ammunition of the gun is 250 shells.

    2.4.7. BOMBING WEAPONS OF AIRCRAFT.
    2.4.7.1. The design of the aircraft allows the suspension of the following bomber weapons:
    500 kg aerial bombs. . . . . . . . . . 8 pcs.;
    250 kg aerial bombs. . . . . . . . . . 8 pcs.;
    100 kg aerial bombs. . . . . . . . . . 8 pcs.;
    incendiary tanks ЗБ-500 (Ш, АС). . . . . . . . . . 8 pcs.;
    KMGU-2 small cargo containers. . . . . . . . . . . 8 pcs.;
    RBC-500 one-time bomb cartridges. . . . . . . . . . 8 pcs.;
    SPAB. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 pcs.
    2.4.7.2. The maximum bomb load of an airplane is 4000 kg.
    2.4.7.3. The suspension of bomber weapons is carried out on eight beam holders BDZ-25SM-01, mounted symmetrically under each wing console at 2, 3, 4, 5 and 7, 8, 9, 10 suspension points.

    2.4.8. TYPES AND NUMBER OF EMISSIONS
    To create passive interference from the defeat of missiles with TGS, aircraft installed ASO-2VM emission devices, which have a total of 256 IPP-2 traps.
    2.5 MEANS OF RADIO TECHNICAL EXPLORATION
    To detect radar radiation, to warn the crew about exposures, the aircraft is equipped with the L-150-16 product. The detection range of radiation is not less than 120% of the range of action of the irradiating RES.
  28. +1
    11 October 2011 01: 04
    Of course, you should buy the latest samples abroad, as a familiarization (removal of parameters, familiarization with the technology, identifying strengths and weaknesses), and nothing more.
    The weapons of the aircraft should be domestic, and be one step ahead of their Western counterparts.
    Particular attention should be paid to electronics.
  29. mind1954
    +2
    11 October 2011 01: 42
    I remind you what an OPTIMUM DECISION is.
    The optimal solution is not the maximum combination
    positive qualities, and the minimum combination of negative!
    And Kalashnikov is the optimal solution!
    What could be the argument? Read the memoirs of Kalashnikov.
    The American general who fought in Vietnam, who
    accompanied him to the United States, said: "We considered it a great success,
    if you could get your machine. Only feared
    use it in operations. They shot at the sound in the jungle! "
    He said this, accompanying Kalashnikov to the meeting
    with the designer M-16.
    1. KASKAD
      0
      25 October 2011 02: 20
      this comparison is not correct M16A1 and M4a1 are simply strikingly different, and Kalash has its reliability only due to monstrous tolerances, this weapon is morally outdated and Americans test their XM8 which allow you to instantly change the barrel and weigh 2,8 kg and have high reliability and standardization, us coma how to put the picatinny rail on 74 and we scream, we made a practically new machine, we didn’t.
  30. mind1954
    0
    11 October 2011 02: 01
    The existing government in the country does not want to answer for anything.
    She’s not interested in protecting the country, but in defense against encroachments,
    from the side of Trans-National Capital, for unlimited
    opportunities for its owners from private raw material capital
    plunder and sell the country. Therefore, their position is
    - this is not the position of "market people", but the position of bazaar thieves!
    Ready to unfasten from stolen, but only here and now,
    in order to fight off competing criminal
    thieves groups.
  31. k2v2137975
    +3
    11 October 2011 03: 02
    It’s bad that the military. experts like K. Sivkov, V. Baranets and others like them are not heard at the meetings of the relevant committees of the State Duma ..
  32. +1
    11 October 2011 03: 39
    In fact, when the military makes complaints only against a Kalashnikov assault rifle, they are very cunning. The first and main thing ... the assault rifle is designed for a specific cartridge, and it has its own limits of efficiency. Improving the barrel is not a problem, technologists know how, but it will affect the cost ... but the military does not want to pay their producers, only overseas. It is required to create a new ammunition and only then a new machine.
    1. KASKAD
      0
      17 October 2011 23: 34
      AK's problem is to increase accuracy you need a stiffer receiver
      but at the same time the weight is about 4 kg, on the M16A4 this required an increase in weight of only 280 grams.
  33. 0
    11 October 2011 09: 58
    Some of those present here are extremely emotionally reacting to statements for the purchase of imported weapons, starting to carry nonsense about the ammunition on their territory, to take an example of Soviet weapons of the second half of the twentieth century, was it the best weapon in the world but was it that everything was developed to the last bolt on its own? No, of course, when it was created, I further emphasize to save people’s money, and first of all, a lot of foreign samples were copied (captured German then American), sometimes some ideas in the principles of operation of this weapon, and sometimes at first 100% clones like with a B 29 bomber dogswar.ru ›voennaia-aviaciia / samolety / 4434 episode from that story: a personal camera of one of the crew members hung on the plane and was copied and hung in the same place, and the camera by the way later turned into a FED seems to be a bike though, so buy weapons or better think in the battlefield to obtain God forbid.
    1. 0
      11 October 2011 18: 32
      with a camera, bike. In fact, there one bulkhead was half painted, and then there wasn’t enough paint, or what happened at the plant, history is silent. Only on the first batches of our aircraft was the bulkhead also painted only half
      1. zczczc
        -2
        12 October 2011 03: 14
        stas52, well, they were simply afraid of Comrade Stalin - they said "copy", so they are copying.
    2. sirToad
      +2
      12 October 2011 03: 11
      actually FED since 1934 in a series
    3. Joker
      0
      20 November 2011 23: 39
      I also read that the holes in the wing were copied (at least on the first sample) that appeared clearly from extraneous influence (i.e. bullet or fragmentation).
  34. -2
    11 October 2011 19: 15
    OPC from the lantern draws prices and cuts loot in a narrow circle praising the aging heritage of the USSR and abandoning R&D, now they simply do not want to feed them, someone will disappear but in their place will appear more adapted to the market, the process is painful but necessary
  35. +4
    13 October 2011 23: 12
    Infa for thought. For 20 years from 1920 to 1940, the USSR turned from an agrarian country destroyed by the Civil War into an industrial power. After the Second World War, history repeated itself - again in the same 20 years they came out of ruin. What happened in the last 20 years? The other day, Medvedev himself complained that rusty pipes are a legacy of the USSR. Only some 20 years have passed.
    1. 0
      15 October 2011 19: 35
      Rusty, but their own. I doubt that someone is eager to put us new and strong. And Medvedev, perhaps, is mournful.
      1. +2
        16 October 2011 14: 11
        I meant that during this time it would have been possible to change. There is so much money in the housing and utilities sector. And everyone goes not to business, but to "pocket money".
  36. Anatoliy
    +3
    15 October 2011 19: 13
    Leonid Ivashov and Konstantin Sivkov are the two most adequate and competent defense experts in Russia who have their own opinion and are not afraid to express it.
    1. +4
      15 October 2011 20: 11
      Konstantin Sivkov could well have taken the post of Minister of Defense (instead of Serdyukov).
      Perhaps the best candidate is not to be found.
      Russia, if only to win.
      It is hoped that with the advent of Gennady Andreyevich, all misunderstandings will be resolved.
  37. kostya
    0
    24 October 2011 05: 57
    I also don’t understand why Russia should buy weapons abroad, when they always tried to buy or stash the latest models themselves. And as far as the Mistrals, I don’t understand why they are needed? he doesn’t have any weapons except helicopters, and German tanks aren’t even ours. foreign tankers are forbidden to do what our tank crews do, namely, tank jumping is no one else in the world. yes, and I think that Serdyukov is not able to control our army, and the best officers with him resign
  38. zavesa01
    0
    31 October 2011 15: 53
    Thanks for the comments. However, I largely agree with the cascade, in addition, after the collapse of the USSR, control of quality in Russia fell below the plinth and this is a fact. Moreover, our production bazaar was updated for 40 years. This is also a fact. Accordingly, on the machines of the king of peas, modern technology cannot be done. Nevertheless, it is necessary to change weapons and this is also not specified. Based on the foregoing, the conclusion follows: the design departments NEED to purchase foreign weapons and test them trying to find their own ways to eliminate the flaws. In parallel to update the machine (technological) park. What weapons should be decided NOT by the generals, but by the people living with these weapons.
  39. zavesa01
    +2
    31 October 2011 16: 23
    Unfortunately, all of the above is not possible with us due to corruption and lobbying for the interests of certain campaigns. In the field of communications and electronics, we will unfortunately never catch up with the West in view of our lack of production of element base (microprocessors). The purchase of components abroad for the production of domestic control systems and communications for military purposes is prohibited. Based on the foregoing, domestic systems do not differ in speed, bulky, unreliable.
    An example of operability: the "Regatta" cartographic system, when passing over 180 degrees of East Longitude, stubbornly showed 181, 182, etc.
    Another example of overpricing: the Portolan navigation system includes an 18-inch monitor, an uninterruptible power supply, keyboard, mouse, GPS receiving antenna, GLONASS, and an interface unit. Roughly speaking, a computer based on the second stump plus an antenna and the "Portolan" program itself cost 900 thousand rubles. Sorry, at such prices, no budget will be enough.

    Regarding to buy Western samples and to study them, too, my friend, the new NOBODY will not sell prototypes to you in the automobile business like the apple of an eye, and there is nothing to say about the samples on which the country's defense capability depends. About shipbuilding is also a separate issue. I looked at our surface ship projects and saw them live in a new building 3 years ago. To put it mildly depressing, although about 5 years ago it was still not so striking. Brothers, it's time to admit we are really behind the West by at least 20 years. If at this rate it goes further in the unfolding wars for the colonies, we will not only get nothing, but there is a chance to become a colony ourselves. I wouldn’t like to antiquated in the taiga with a rifle

    By the way, about comparing AK and M16

    M16 - The butt melts under the magnifying glass.
    AK47 - Under the magnifying glass, one can still see Vietnamese mud still working instead of lubricant.
    Three-line - Under the magnifying glass you can see the blood-soaked tree.

    M16 - Wedges when dirty.
    AK47 - Works when dirty
    Three-ruler - Has not been clean since being redeployed in 1932

    M16 - Hundreds of moving parts held together by dozens of bolts and screws.
    AK47 - A pair of dozens of moving parts held together by a handful of rivets and the ugly seams of a drunk Russian welder
    Three-line - three moving parts, two screws

    M16 - You would rather die than break your expensive rifle in hand-to-hand combat
    AK47 - with your assault rifle you can beat off well in hand-to-hand fighting
    Three-ruler - Your rifle is a cool spear with the ability to shoot

    M16 - If the striker breaks, you send the rifle to the factory under warranty
    AK47 - If a striker breaks, you buy a new one
    Three-line - If the striker breaks, you spin it a couple of turns further into the shutter

    M16 - Harder to produce than many aircraft
    AK47 - Used by countries that do not have money for airplanes
    Three-line - Aircraft shot down from it

    Owner's favorite drink:
    M16 - Cognac
    AK47 - Vodka
    Three-line - Brake fluid drained from a frozen crowbar

    M16 - Makes a small hole, everything is neat, in accordance with the Geneva Convention
    AK47 - Makes a big hole, sometimes tears off limbs, does not comply with the Geneva Convention
    Three-line - One of the reasons for the adoption of the Geneva Convention

    M16 - Perfectly shoots small rodents
    AK47 - Perfectly shoots the enemies of the revolution
    Three-line - Excellent shoots light armored vehicles

    M16 - Once in the river, it stops working
    AK47 - Once in a river, it shoots anyway
    Three-ruler - Once in a river, usually used as a paddle

    M16 - Weapons for defense
    AK47 - Assault Weapons
    Three-line - Victory Arms!

    M16 - The grenade launcher is heavy, but can put a grenade in the window for 200 meters
    AK47 - If anything, the grenade from the grenade launcher can be thrown into the window with your hand
    Three-line - Grenade at the window? Hit through the wall, the cartridge pierces almost a meter of brick!

    M16 - You can put a silencer, a small cartridge does not give a lot of sound
    AK47 - In principle, you can put a silencer, but it’s better just to press enemies to the ground with continuous fire
    Three-line - Nafig silencer, when after the first shot everything will go deaf

    Theme is not mine do not consider it plagiarism.

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