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Reflections after the Parade

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Such is the thing: everyone who has trampled down the pavement of Red Square at a parade at least once, treats this event with a special feeling. I'm not an exception. I watch each. In the company of their own kind or alone. And at the same time I have different feelings every year.



Quite recently, everyone spat and growled. From misery. From the fact that the parade commanded by representatives of the family of non-ruminant artiodactyls in civilian suits. From the way they took the parade and reported to the Supreme. From who and how went on these parades. Intendants, financiers and other managers.

No, representatives of these services are necessary in the army. And even at the parade they have the right to attend. The question is in quantity.

Saddened by the lack of technology, replaced by receptions with weapons and other frills.

Glory to Russia, that all this poverty in the past. I hope forever.

Last year’s parade was already a parade. And made me think, what will happen next year?

And here it is over. “Ffuuhhh” - we breathed.

It was really a Victory Parade. Demonstrating, as in the good old days, the power and might of our Armed Forces. It was a masterpiece.

Nervous, yes. For "weave" and "thirty". For "Almaty". And for their crews. It is hard, to lead that a completely new tank, that one that is at least 70 years old. But - gone. Now, I hope, those who squealed for joy at the “Armata” stalled at the rehearsal will calm down. That's why she is a rehearsal. And the nerves of the crew ... well, anything can happen.

Handsomely. Powerfully. Weighty

I will not regret a single ruble spent on this Parade. Although, I am sure, now the mourners will show up sobbing that "it would be better to spend this money on ...". I do not regret. And I do not advise you.

The deepest reflections caused an unusual beginning of the Parade. If you move your brains deeply, then at the Parade of such scale and dedicated to such a date should have been present those who, in fact, won. That is, the USSR and the allies. Right?

The USSR is no more. It means that the presence of representatives of the Armed Forces of Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan together with Russia is what is needed. This is us.

Next - allies.

How should there be those who fought against fascism on the side of the USSR. That is, the country of the anti-Hitler coalition. Is it logical

Serbs. No questions. Sole Representatives historical wretchedness of Europe. Beauties. Even in ancient times, Emperor Alexander III once proclaimed this toast: “I drink for the health of the king of Serbia and Montenegro. Russia has no other friends and allies in Europe! ” The scandal then was serious, but now, historically, how it turned out ...
Respect and respect for the little people who fought the whole war against the fascists and who were not afraid of anyone today. By law in the system, by law.

Mongols. And, by the way, they were great! Allies too. Though not fought with the Germans. But Mongolia’s contribution to our victory is enormous. This should be discussed later. But it’s just great that the Mongolian soldiers were at this Parade.

But then ... India and China. No, historically we seemed to be on the same side. Well, in a sense, the enemies were common. Japanese. But if you think well - this is politics.

What the Indians looked like and went more than cool - I will not argue. In general, such a highlight came out and passed in front of the stands. Yes, and the Chinese fighters also looked. But deeper ...

We have already said that the Parade, as a litmus test, will show who and where. Apparently, I had to add to this cocktail policy. There is no USSR and allies - sadly, but here you have Russia and allies ... Like, you will receive and sign.

And the fact that the allies from the East - who is to blame?

So, the parade took place. It has already become a story, which will include the most luxurious and wonderful as possible (well, for me, for example, parade No. 117 will forever be the best, after all). For now, at least.

The world is changing a little every day. Little, but changing. I think that this day, the day of such a great celebration of the greatest, probably, in our history, Day, will still bring its results.

Perhaps those about which we still do not guess.

But the fact that they will be - for some reason no doubt.
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  1. vsoltan
    vsoltan 12 May 2015 07: 54
    +125
    I wonder how long they will bashfully drape the mausoleum? This is also our story.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 12 May 2015 08: 04
      -16
      It’s just that they understand by the depth of their minds that in comparison with Stalin, who in that historical Parade stood on the podium of the Mausoleum, they are insignificants and a wretched country in comparison with the Stalinist USSR. So they are trying to cover up their shame. And since they are basically incapable of atonement through Russia’s breakthrough into the future, they go along the easiest path - the struggle against monuments and the total blackening of the USSR.
      1. Andrey57
        Andrey57 12 May 2015 08: 12
        +79
        And I would not close the mausoleum, but would sit on the podium of the remaining veterans and let them take a parade in honor of Victory Day.
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        2. ispaniard
          ispaniard 12 May 2015 09: 26
          +84
          Add to the article would not hurt the information about two more parades from which someone stood up in the throat (just a year of independence in the war and the blockade, and the parade in spite of the UKROPs and their owners did!) Donetsk parade
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          2. ispaniard
            ispaniard 12 May 2015 09: 27
            +34
            И Lugansk parade
            1. mark7
              mark7 12 May 2015 11: 47
              +15
              Quote: ispaniard
              И Lugansk parade

              thank you very much for the good glad that they had a parade in New Russia at 5+
            2. atos_kin
              atos_kin 12 May 2015 11: 59
              +35
              A star on technology in Lugansk looks more harmonious. Russia needs to return the star to its star form.
              1. Zhekson
                Zhekson 12 May 2015 13: 36
                +12
                A red star is strong, and not as it is now striped like some ov's.
            3. Yurban
              Yurban 14 May 2015 13: 52
              0
              Thank.!!!!
          3. Yurban
            Yurban 14 May 2015 13: 43
            0
            Thank you very much, I didn’t have time to look through everything, but I was sure that someone would post these videos about the parades, I’m sincerely grateful.
      2. inkass_98
        inkass_98 12 May 2015 08: 52
        +58
        Quote: Basarev
        in comparison with Stalin, who in that historical Parade stood on the podium of the Mausoleum, they are insignificants and a wretched country in comparison with the Stalinist USSR.

        See the parade in honor of the 50 anniversary of the Victory. The struggle with Grachev and the rest of the shobla was not shy, she stood at the mausoleum, although these gentlemen didn’t have a place there at all.
        And you don’t really need to close the mausoleum, it is the same historical building on Red Square as the GUM, Pokrovsky Cathedral, the monument to Minin and Pozharsky, and the Kremlin itself.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 12 May 2015 10: 07
          +54
          It’s time for the authorities to decide what we are building and where we are going. Both Lenin and Stalin are milestones of our history, the best pages in the centuries-old life of the country. When we gather the husk of lies hinged by deceitful creatures by renegade-perestroika, then their greatness and role will again become clear. And then the government wags its tail, rewards honored people with the signs of the Hero of Labor (deservedly with it), but tell me - what kind of work? If we have a social state, then why is there such a gap in the incomes of the highest (far from the most effective obabotnikov) and people? And where does the country again have debts for half a trillion dollars? Who made them and what? Questions cloud, no answers. And those that often get more insult to the people than honest answers to the questions of society.
          1. 222222
            222222 12 May 2015 13: 27
            +19
            The national composition of the Heroes of the Soviet Union during the Second World War: Russians - 8160 people, Ukrainians - 2069, Belarusians - 309, Tatars (including Kazan, Siberians) - 161, Jews - 148, Armenians - 106, Kazakhs - 96, Georgians - 90, Uzbeks - 69, Mordvin - 63, Chuvash - 45, Azerbaijanis - 43, Bashkirs - 39, Ossetians - 33, Mari - 18, Turkmen - 18, Lithuanians - 15, Tajiks - 15, Latvians - 13, Kyrgyz - 12, Udmurts - 10, Komi –10, Karelians –9, Germans –9, Estonians –8, Kalmyks –– 8, Kabardins –– 8, Buryats and Mongols –– 8, Adyghe –– 6, Crimean Tatars –– 6, Chechens –– 5, Abkhazians –– 5, French –– 4 , Yakuts - 3, Czechoslovakians - 3, Moldovans - 2, one Kurd, one Altai, one Finn, one Bulgarian, one Pole, one lak, one Spaniard and one Tuvan.
            1. DON-100
              DON-100 12 May 2015 15: 40
              +13
              222222 You have incorrect information about the number of Heroes of the Soviet Union. In particular, Laks have not 1, but 5 heroes, and this is not counting Amet-Khan Sultan, who was also a Lak on his father, and on his mother a Crimean Tatar (according to the documents he was listed as Crimean Tatar) But considering that he was twice a Hero, then Laks rightfully have another medal, a total of 6.
              1. zubkoff46
                zubkoff46 12 May 2015 22: 13
                +10
                Is it possible about the Mongols? I'm not talking about the Heroes of the Union among them, but they and ours took a direct part in the defeat of the millionth Kwantung army. Mongolia is a small country in terms of population. But when it came to helping us by force and returning the Japanese, they put in the ranks of the army everyone who was able to climb (not what you thought) riding a horse. So the right to participate in our Parade have the utmost.
                1. Old old
                  Old old 13 May 2015 00: 28
                  +13
                  Is it possible about the Mongols?

                  I will add. Every tenth fought, 50% of the budget - the war.
                  Tungsten is Mongolian.
                  Every fifth horse from Mongolia, every fifth overcoat from Mongolian wool. 500 thousand tons of meat were delivered to the USSR (for comparison, the USA - 660 thousand tons). And much, much more, and FREE OF CHARGE, and we paid for a land lease only in 2006.
                  1. Zoldat_A
                    Zoldat_A 13 May 2015 17: 22
                    +9
                    Quote: Nursing Old
                    Every fifth horse from Mongolia, every fifth Mongolian overcoat. 500 thousand tons of meat were delivered to the USSR (for comparison, the USA - 660 thousand tons). And much, much more, and FREE OF CHARGE, and we paid for a land lease only in 2006.

                    And the famous army sheepskin coats? Where did the rams grow from which these sheepskin coats are sewn? The Germans did not have them, nor did Mongolia. Therefore, I think, although the Mongols, of course, did not take Berlin, but thank them for the sheepskin coats and there is a place for them in our Parade.
                    1. lev1201
                      lev1201 13 May 2015 19: 48
                      +2
                      But there was also the Tuva People’s Republic ...
                      Cobalt, however ...
                  2. lev1201
                    lev1201 13 May 2015 19: 47
                    +1
                    In addition - copper and molybdenum.
                    And after the war - also fluorite (fluorspar) and uranium ...
                2. udincev
                  udincev 13 May 2015 09: 40
                  +7
                  Quote: zubkoff46
                  Is it possible about the Mongols? I'm not talking about the Heroes of the Union among them, but they and ours took a direct part in the defeat of the millionth Kwantung army

                  If you go back to World War II. From the beginning of the war, the Mongols helped as they could: from participation in the ranks of the Red Army to supply. A herd of horses for cavalry, unlike a mercantile lend-lease, a gift and much more, tearing away from his not-so-luxurious life, which saved many lives of our people!
                  Participation in the Parade of Winners is deserved and undoubted!
          2. Fedman
            Fedman 12 May 2015 19: 06
            +2
            Quote: NordUral
            It’s time for the authorities to decide what we are building and where we are going. Both Lenin and Stalin are milestones of our history, the best pages in the centuries-old life of the country.

            What Lenin did was most likely necessary. But all the same, one must be completely crazy to call the period of the civil war and mass repressions the best milestones in history.
            1. Old old
              Old old 13 May 2015 00: 19
              +6
              But still, one must be completely crazy to call the period of the civil war and mass repressions the best milestones in history.

              One must be blind and not see universal literacy, electrification, industrialization, Victory in the Great Patriotic War, space rocket achievements and much more.
            2. Old old
              Old old 13 May 2015 00: 19
              +1
              But still, one must be completely crazy to call the period of the civil war and mass repressions the best milestones in history.

              One must be blind and not see universal literacy, electrification, industrialization, Victory in the Great Patriotic War, space rocket achievements and much more.
              1. Fedman
                Fedman 13 May 2015 09: 20
                -1
                "During the Civil War, from hunger, disease, terror and in battles (according to various sources) from 8 to 13 million people died, including about 1 million Red Army soldiers. Up to 2 million people emigrated from the country." - this is from wikipedia.
                It is good to talk about electrification and industrialization after decades, sitting in a warm chair. Just think, 8 million died, but the rest became literate and with light. And imagine that you yourself lived in that period and participated in all this.
                Do not confuse the necessary and the good
                1. sanyavolhv
                  sanyavolhv 13 May 2015 11: 44
                  +4
                  Quote: Fedman
                  It is good to talk about electrification and industrialization after decades, sitting in a warm chair. Just think, 8 million died, but the rest became literate and with light. And imagine that you yourself lived in that period and participated in all this


                  health. I agree with you. it’s comfortable in a chair, in a ditch with cold water, waist-deep, or even throat, badly.
                  the country had to be raised. and if needed AGAIN have to climb out of the chair into the ditch. who is in our place? and die in these ditches again if .... or ... with her, with the country?
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                3. Yurrra.
                  Yurrra. 13 May 2015 22: 20
                  +2
                  After Russia left the First World War, German and Austro-Hungarian troops in February 1918 occupied part of Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic states and the south of Russia. To preserve Soviet power, Soviet Russia went to the conclusion of the Brest Peace (March 1918). In March 1918, Anglo-Franco-American troops landed in Murmansk; in April, Japanese troops in Vladivostok; in May, the rebellion of the Czechoslovak Corps began, following the Trans-Siberian Railway to the East. Samara, Kazan, Simbirsk, Yekaterinburg, Chelyabinsk and other cities were captured along the entire route. All this created serious problems for the new government. By the summer of 1918, numerous groups and governments were formed in 3/4 of the country's territory that opposed the Soviet regime. The Soviet government began to create the Red Army and moved on to the policy of war communism. In June, the government formed the Eastern Front, in September - the Southern and Northern Fronts.
                  By the end of the summer of 1918, Soviet power remained mainly in the central regions of Russia and in part of Turkestan. In the 2nd half of 1918, the Red Army won the first victories on the Eastern Front, liberated the Volga region, part of the Urals.
                  After the revolution in Germany in November 1918, the Soviet government annulled the Brest Peace, and Ukraine and Belarus were liberated. However, the policy of war communism, as well as the rhetoric, provoked peasant and Cossack uprisings in various regions and enabled the leaders of the anti-Bolshevik camp to form numerous armies and launch a widespread offensive against the Soviet Republic.
                  In October 1918, the Volunteer Army of General Anton Denikin and the Don Cossack Army of General Peter Krasnov went on the offensive against the Red Army in the South; Kuban and the Don region were occupied, attempts were made to cut the Volga in the Tsaritsyn area. In November 1918, Admiral Alexander Kolchak announced in Omsk the establishment of a dictatorship and proclaimed himself the supreme ruler of Russia.
                  In November-December 1918, British and French landings were landed in Odessa, Sevastopol, Nikolaev, Kherson, Novorossiysk, and Batumi. In December, Kolchak’s army, which captured Perm, intensified its operations, but the Red Army, having captured Ufa, suspended its offensive.


                  RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/history_spravki/20101206/305088547.html#ixzz3a326wJHx

                  Like a civil war.
          3. Uncle Joe
            Uncle Joe 12 May 2015 22: 17
            +1
            Quote: NordUral
            It’s time for the authorities to decide what we are building and where we are going.
            It has long been decided.
            1. udincev
              udincev 13 May 2015 09: 47
              +2
              Quote: Uncle Joe
              It has long been decided.

              Oh oh
              In addition, the authorities, even a priori "servants of the people," but in fact are subject to a lot of things and on what they are dependent. And by no means monolithic.
              1. Uncle Joe
                Uncle Joe 13 May 2015 14: 07
                0
                Quote: udincev
                Oh oh
                Fact.
          4. shershen
            shershen 12 May 2015 23: 27
            +2
            If we move the screen away from nanotechnology, super-weapons, etc., and take a sober look at the standard of living, education, medicine, corruption, roads, prices, representatives of government and the law, then we have a full-fledged 3-sorted pseudo-social feudal state.
            1. Old old
              Old old 13 May 2015 00: 32
              +1
              If we move the screen away from nanotechnology, super-weapons, etc., and take a sober look at the standard of living, education, medicine, corruption, roads, prices, representatives of government and the law, then we have a full-fledged 3-sorted pseudo-social feudal state.

              Do better if you can.
            2. Old old
              Old old 13 May 2015 00: 32
              +1
              If we move the screen away from nanotechnology, super-weapons, etc., and take a sober look at the standard of living, education, medicine, corruption, roads, prices, representatives of government and the law, then we have a full-fledged 3-sorted pseudo-social feudal state.

              Do better if you can.
          5. Victorio
            Victorio 13 May 2015 18: 10
            0
            + Both Lenin and Stalin are milestones in our history, the best pages in the centuries-old life of the country. When we gather the husk of lies hinged by deceitful creatures by renegade-perestroika, then their greatness and role will again become clear.
            ---
            and then you intend to "shake off" the number of those killed?


            + And where does the country again have debts for half a trillion dollars? Who made them and what? Questions cloud, no answers. +
            ---
            companies have debts, and the state has almost none
        2. Lehanset
          Lehanset 13 May 2015 10: 07
          0
          And GUM also draped.
        3. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 13 May 2015 17: 35
          +4
          Quote: inkass_98
          The struggle with Grachev and other shobla was not shy, she stood at the mausoleum, although these gentlemen didn’t have a place there at all.

          And Dima and Tolya generally took the Parade. They are somehow FSUs, but really no one was found who would have hinted to them about the combatant charter, army traditions and respect for the participants in the parade? Although they, in general, are neither in the Mausoleum, nor in the Parade ...
          "A commander of any rank must stand when troops pass in front of him. Nobody accepts the parade. This is liberal-democratic manners, not a charter," - General Leonid Ivashov.
          The Politburo, albeit, they say, with cunning props, but it stood. And these are giggling ...

          And further. GDP does not disdain to change into a military uniform (either in the sea or in the land). I see no reason for him not to accept the parade in his full dress form. Why be ashamed of something? Let Merkelikh be ashamed of knocking on the Stasi. And between a snitch and a colonel, the difference is oh-ho!
      3. GOR_XVII
        GOR_XVII 12 May 2015 09: 03
        -33
        Basarev, it’s not you and the saag who accidentally distributed thousands of leaflets against Putin and the government during the celebrations? What, the State Department allocated funds?
        PS. Victory Day is a national holiday, regardless of party affiliation and views, and a concrete grave with a mummy of an ambiguous politician provokes a feeling of rejection among a huge number of Russian citizens. So the mausoleum was closed correctly, although it would have long been necessary to remove it from Red Square and it does not represent any historical heritage.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 12 May 2015 10: 09
          +12
          You are mistaken, my friend, this power, beginning with Khrushchev, is ambiguous.
          1. Old old
            Old old 13 May 2015 00: 37
            +2
            You are mistaken, my friend, this power, beginning with Khrushchev, is ambiguous.

            Any state. power is ambiguous! A person always wants more and is rarely satisfied with power.
          2. Old old
            Old old 13 May 2015 00: 37
            0
            You are mistaken, my friend, this power, beginning with Khrushchev, is ambiguous.

            Any state. power is ambiguous! A person always wants more and is rarely satisfied with power.
        2. kvapu1976
          kvapu1976 12 May 2015 12: 05
          +1
          Very correct thought.
        3. CONTROL
          CONTROL 12 May 2015 12: 34
          +19
          [quote = GOR_XVII]Basarev... a concrete grave with a mummy of an ambiguous politician evokes a feeling of rejection among a huge number of Russian citizens. / quote]
          None of the politicians, leaders of the country Russia is ambiguous! with rare exceptions! Lenin, Stalin ... Ivan the Terrible - oprichnina, yes, but! ... he limited the undivided influence of the boyars and clergy on the policy of the state! Peter the First - well, a little psychopath ... but a window to Europe (or rather the opposite - FROM Europe ...) Brezhnev is an unconditional rise and the creation of prerequisites ... unused and even ruined by the successors of power; and - the flourishing of a special class of "party bureaucracy" ... The Warsaw Pact is worth it! Not to mention Lenin and Stalin! And Khrushchev stood up for Cuba ... and against the nascent "crawl" of the Western world to the USSR! ...
          Perhaps, Gorbachev is unequivocal ... Yeltsin ... well, here it is clear! ...
          1. Suhow
            Suhow 13 May 2015 00: 24
            +2
            a teddy bear = Yanukovych. By and large, the country and the government profiled, if not censorship would add a lot of unprintable things about them, and their guilt in subsequent events. And they are not patriots of their state and people, but like poop.
      4. Alexander P.
        Alexander P. 12 May 2015 09: 19
        +22
        Modern Russia is by no means miserable, as this parade testifies to, not everything is perfect of course, but we are moving in a positive direction. And yet, the Indians in the parade walked rightfully, they were a colony of England during the war and fought very actively with the Germans in its composition, in North Africa, for example, against Rommel.
      5. NordUral
        NordUral 12 May 2015 09: 58
        +39
        In vain minus, think better. The parade is good, very timely, as is the voyage to the Mediterranean with the Chinese. But we don’t lose memory, let’s recall an interesting fact - during the Stalin five-year plan, every second seven hours a new venture was launched, every seven! And this is without investors, loans and "help" from the West. So we think, compare and draw conclusions.
        Yes, Putin may not be the worst option in the last quarter century, but I don't think it is the best. Corruption both flourished and flourishes, etc.
        1. perm23
          perm23 12 May 2015 12: 04
          +14
          You are right, and not right. There was a different time. I think very good for us ordinary citizens, but another. And what, who is now ready to abandon stores with goods, from built cottages, houses, villas, cars and everything. Probably very few such people will be. After all, it’s not the ruler who is to blame, but his entourage. Who and how does their work. And we are guilty of whom we choose to power, as we ask from this power. And honestly, having come to power tomorrow, we will be able to not take, not steal ourselves. If we do not give bribes, then there will be no corruption. I've been chosen as the elder at home and that it is impossible to gather people for a meeting about the Criminal Code. Everyone has their own affairs and concerns, but everyone shouts to me that everyone is stealing, that something needs to be done. Like in the whole country, everyone is shouting but nobody wants to do it, they want someone to do everything for them. Well, it doesn’t happen like that.
          1. Sinbad
            Sinbad 12 May 2015 20: 59
            +1
            You are right, like no one else. If you want to change the world around you, start with yourself.
        2. CONTROL
          CONTROL 12 May 2015 12: 44
          +3
          Quote: NordUral
          Corruption both flourished and flourishes, etc.

          Corruption "flourished" in our country in the 60s of the last century!
          Europe, for example, cannot cope with it for 300 years already ... Not to mention the USA and Asia! Bakshish, kalym are common nouns, purely "Russian", firmly established in our language ...
          ... the disease of mankind ...
          1. mervino2007
            mervino2007 12 May 2015 18: 26
            +8
            CONTROLEurope, for example, cannot cope with it for 300 years already ..

            Think it over! In Hong Kong, Chinese emigrants organized their state and passed a law under which
            - punish only bribes
            - police are allowed to provoke officials to bribe
            - people were allowed to give bribes, receive services and report to the police
            - Under this law, relatives of the president of Hong Kong are punished. After 3 years, corruption in Hong Kong has disappeared!
            And these are the Chinese with 1000-year history of bribery!
            1. Sergey Vl.
              Sergey Vl. 12 May 2015 22: 03
              0
              After 3 years, corruption in Hong Kong disappeared!

              "The suite plays the king." This, alas, also applies to us.
            2. Vasek
              Vasek 13 May 2015 18: 18
              +1
              Quote: mervino2007
              And these are the Chinese with 1000-year history of bribery!

              In Hong Kong, completely different Chinese live.
              And in China, corruption is worse than ours, despite the fact that they are shot for bribery there.
        3. Old old
          Old old 13 May 2015 00: 46
          +1
          Yes, Putin may not be the worst option in the last quarter century, but I don't think it is the best. Corruption both flourished and flourishes, etc.

          Think back to the 90s and compare with the present. It is impossible to destroy and instantly restore 20 years without resorting to the methods of war communism. And "corruption" is the favorite mantra of all "orange" revolutions and Maidans.
        4. Old old
          Old old 13 May 2015 00: 46
          +1
          Yes, Putin may not be the worst option in the last quarter century, but I don't think it is the best. Corruption both flourished and flourishes, etc.

          Think back to the 90s and compare with the present. It is impossible to destroy and instantly restore 20 years without resorting to the methods of war communism. And "corruption" is the favorite mantra of all "orange" revolutions and Maidans.
        5. maai
          maai 13 May 2015 01: 40
          0
          Quote: NordUral
          Yes, Putin may not be the worst option in the last quarter century, but I don't think it is the best. Corruption both flourished and flourishes, etc.

          Everything is correct, but not one Putin is responsible for everything. There must be the right people both in the Government and on the street among citizens. You have to start with yourself, let everyone watch themselves and "don't pass by" - then the wheels will start turning.
          Crimes must be fought hard. In Japan, crime is zero, because no one wants to defend their own in a cell the size of a meter per meter or try the death penalty. It has its own characteristics, but there is purity and no crime on the streets - because the punishment is inevitable. We do not have this. No order no progress.
      6. kvapu1976
        kvapu1976 12 May 2015 12: 00
        0
        Is there really no sense in understanding that accepting a parade standing on the grave is the height of cynicism.
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        2. SPLV
          SPLV 13 May 2015 19: 40
          +2
          Quote: kvapu1976
          Is there really no sense in understanding that accepting a parade standing on the grave is the height of cynicism.

          Of course, from the point of view of a true Christian, you are right! Perhaps the next proposal should be a ban on visiting burial mounds ... Or, perhaps, suggest living on trees in general - after all, almost all of our land was watered with a lot of blood. According to your logic, half of the cities would be leveled with the Earth, headed by Moscow - after all, they were erected on ancient burials. Or those graves are not considered - you are not familiar with the life history of those people?
          Before you begin to declare your worldview, you must first have it. Worldview, not porridge from other people's phrases.
      7. San_jok
        San_jok 13 May 2015 10: 27
        +1
        You do not like the methods of GDP to restore the Russian economy?
        remembered something about the IVS - do you need its methods?
        ))
      8. kavit
        kavit 14 May 2015 02: 44
        -3
        Maybe it's just that the mausoleum is not needed, and it’s time to bury the meat?
      9. Yurban
        Yurban 14 May 2015 13: 20
        -2
        You are wrong, now or at the moment it was necessary to do so. Just think about it.
    2. saag
      saag 12 May 2015 08: 06
      +27
      Quote: vsoltan
      I wonder how long they will bashfully drape the mausoleum?

      Yes, it also hurt me somehow, why are the authorities hiding it so diligently ???
    3. Maks111
      Maks111 12 May 2015 08: 17
      -18
      I wonder how long they will bashfully drape the mausoleum? This is also our story.
      Excuse me, please, but there are documents confirming that Lenin met with a German Kaiser before arriving in RI. In general, Lenin is a rather ambiguous person in the history of our country and there is no need to provoke the people into a new civil war.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 12 May 2015 08: 32
        +13
        Quote: Max111
        there is no need to provoke the people into a new civil war.

        Do not provoke, know the place and time: the word is not a sparrow, but has the property of "a stone on the forehead"
      2. Mareman Vasilich
        Mareman Vasilich 12 May 2015 08: 53
        +3
        There is a strong opinion that you absolutely do not know the question. Be kind, do not mislead people.
      3. GOR_XVII
        GOR_XVII 12 May 2015 09: 09
        -37
        Over the thousand-year history of Russia, not one of the rulers of the country has done so much harm to it as Lenin, a bloody genius.
        1. vladkavkaz
          vladkavkaz 12 May 2015 09: 33
          +15
          GOR_XVI
          It is hardly stupid than what you gave out as an opinion.
          You cannot call the so-called harm without once again repeating all the nonsense that all svanidza, teeth and other brewers with Radzinsky have been carrying for 30 years in a row, and for the fact that there are many benefits in Lenin’s activity, May 1945 says.
          1. Metallurgist
            Metallurgist 12 May 2015 09: 59
            -10
            The benefit that Lenin brought to the Russian state, point by point, please.
            You, nickname Vladikavkaz, teach materiel, not express your nonsense here.
            1. vladkavkaz
              vladkavkaz 12 May 2015 10: 14
              +5
              Metallurgist
              You have knowledge of the materiel, only at the level of American dances, twerk-ass shakes, performed by lolitas, youngsters, so it’s better to be silent.
              In that capacity, you
              really, you know the materiel, but otherwise ...
              1. Metallurgist
                Metallurgist 12 May 2015 10: 27
                -6
                You do not jump from the topic. What benefit did Lenin bring to the Russian state?
                If you do not know, then keep quiet, because your "awareness and knowledge" - apparently the result is "excellent" in history, and you probably passed the exam.
                1. Uncle Joe
                  Uncle Joe 12 May 2015 15: 10
                  +7
                  Quote: Metallurg
                  What benefit did Lenin bring to the Russian state?
                  What a subtle substitution of concepts.

                  The state is a form of political organization of society, and therefore Lenin did not bring any benefit to the Russian feudal state, as well as to the Russian bourgeois state.

                  But the Russian socialist state brought huge benefits to the state, being one of those who created it.
                  1. Metallurgist
                    Metallurgist 12 May 2015 15: 22
                    +6
                    Precisely, a very subtle substitution of concepts.
                    Following your logic, one should not confuse the Russian Empire and the Soviet state. And following your own logic ... I hope you remember how the USSR stands for? And where is the word "Russian" in this abbreviation?
                    Lenin destroyed (though not directly directly, but he actively contributed to this) the Russian Empire and founded the USSR. For the USSR - he is the creator of the state, for the Empire - he is one of its grave diggers.
                    Which, incidentally, does not negate the fact that more than enough blood was shed during it.
                    1. Uncle Joe
                      Uncle Joe 12 May 2015 15: 39
                      +9
                      Quote: Metallurg
                      Following your logic, do not confuse the Russian Empire and the Soviet state
                      Exactly.

                      And following your own logic ... I hope you remember how the USSR stands for? And where is the word "Russian" in this abbreviation?
                      In another abbreviation - RSFSR.

                      Lenin destroyed (though not directly personally, but he actively contributed to this) the Russian Empire and founded the USSR
                      The Russian Empire ceased to exist on September 1, 17 in connection with the decision of the Provisional Government on the proclamation of the Russian Republic.

                      For the USSR - he is the creator of the state, for the Empire - he is one of its grave diggers.
                      Yes - for the feudal empire and the bourgeois republic, he is one of their grave diggers - I wrote about this in a previous comment.

                      Which, incidentally, does not negate the fact that more than enough blood was shed during it.
                      And with whom did it spill less?
                      1. Metallurgist
                        Metallurgist 12 May 2015 15: 45
                        0
                        The RSFSR is a republic within the USSR
                      2. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 12 May 2015 15: 57
                        +2
                        Quote: Metallurg
                        The RSFSR is a republic within the USSR
                        Of course: the USSR is a state entity, which is a union of equal republics, and?
                      3. Metallurgist
                        Metallurgist 12 May 2015 16: 09
                        +1
                        You generally catch the difference: the Russian Empire and the USSR.
                        The empire was destroyed, and then collected in pieces in the USSR. Not all, Finland left, Poland "was created" ...
                        Those. do you think trim is equal to the whole?
                      4. vladkavkaz
                        vladkavkaz 12 May 2015 16: 39
                        +4
                        Metallurg RU
                        Not .. all the same, the twerk did his job, with the logic you obviously have a complete mess, since you do not learn what is written.
                        Neither Finland, which enjoyed autonomous rights in the Republic of Ingushetia, and even less so Poland with the same rights, is not needed by Russia-DAROM.
                        And if, besides Twerk, you don’t have enough mind, go to high school for a new one. To a good history teacher who will explain how Poland, after 1945, and Finland were not returned to Russia.
                        And for the educational program, the USSR returned Sakhalin and the islands that were lost under Nikolashka Besdarny to the Russian Federation, and finally formalized Tuva's entry into Russia. However, you have the knowledge how to make sense ...
                      5. Metallurgist
                        Metallurgist 12 May 2015 16: 46
                        +1
                        Well, look at the maps of the Republic of Ingushetia until 1913. So simple, for information.
                        Now about "not needed for nothing" ...
                        All wars were fought if you grossly discarded women and gold (which is the root cause for you) over territories, water and resources.
                        And here you are, another one: "Kemsky volost? Yes, take it! Don't need it for free!" (from)
                        So Sakhalin, following your logic, is necessary, but Finland is not necessary ...
                        You have mutually exclusive paragraphs. Treat your head with knowledge.
                      6. vladkavkaz
                        vladkavkaz 12 May 2015 17: 06
                        +7
                        Metallurg RU
                        What’s with you, LIKBEZ to carry out, so that they would be dismissed, on what grounds was Finland and Poland part of the Republic of Ingushetia?
                        Have you even heard from the ear of the Constitution of Finland? And about the Principality of Warsaw?
                        According to the Constitution of the Kingdom of Poland, the Russian emperor appointed his governor to him. The position of Secretary of State for the Kingdom of Poland was established. The legislative body was the Sejm, elected by direct election by all classes on the basis of property qualifications.

                        All participants in the war with Russia on the side of Napoleon received an amnesty and had the right to enter the service in the state apparatus and in the army of the Kingdom of Poland. The commander of the Polish army was appointed by the Russian emperor as king of Poland. Many subjects of the Russian emperor were dissatisfied with the fact that those who participated in the war on the side of Napoleon and the defeated Poles received more rights than the winners.

                        Having entered the Russian Empire, retaining the operation of its laws, the administration, having a legislative authority, Poland simultaneously gained access to the Russian, and through Russia, to the Asian market for its goods. In order to reduce anti-Russian sentiment among the Polish nobility and the bourgeoisie, customs privileges were established for Polish goods. Many products of the Polish industry were taxed at 3%, while Russian at 15%, despite the fact that “Russian manufacturers yelled against this order” 1Kornilov A.A. The course of Russian history of the XIX century. M., 1993. S. 171 ..

                        The economic development of Poland, the growing influence of the national bourgeoisie intensified the desire for complete political independence and the restoration of the Polish sovereign state within the borders that existed before its first partition in 1772. In 1830, an uprising began in Poland, the main force of which was the army of the Kingdom of Poland. The Polish Sejm announced the deprivation of the Russian emperor of the Polish crown, thereby breaking the union between Poland and the Russian Empire.

                        After the suppression of the uprising by Russian troops, Emperor Nicholas I in 1832 issued an "Organic Status", repealing the Constitution of the Kingdom of Poland in 1815 and eliminating the Sejm, the Polish army. The Kingdom of Poland - this “internal abroad”, as it was called in the Russian Empire, was liquidated. Instead, the Warsaw Governor General is formed. Commander of the Russian troops, who suppressed the Polish uprising, Field Marshal I.F. Paskevich, who received the title of Prince of Warsaw.
                        For those who are very interested in having an eternal boil in Russia, you should read this material.
                        http://www.km.ru/referats/AA7837B45155469596824412306C7331
                      7. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 12 May 2015 22: 14
                        +5
                        Quote: Metallurg
                        You generally catch the difference: the Russian Empire and the USSR
                        Of course I catch: RI is an agrarian feudal state with sluggishly developing capitalist relations, with a mass illiterate population, with a very low life expectancy, with the highest mortality rate (especially for children), a technologically backward industry in which 3/4 owned by foreigners was engaged mainly mining and primary processing (like Russia today).

                        The USSR is the exact opposite of RI.

                        The empire was destroyed, and then collected in pieces in the USSR. Not all, Finland left, Poland "was created" ...
                        Who ruined?

                        Those. do you think trim is equal to the whole?
                        I don’t think - just as I don’t think that once the conquered becomes yours forever and ever.

                        Actually, I did not understand the meaning of the last question.
                      8. erg
                        erg 12 May 2015 17: 20
                        +6
                        Initially, there was only the RSFSR (after the Bolsheviks came to power). The USSR was formed later, in the year 24. Then the RSFSR became one of the union republics of the new state.
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                    2. Victor Demchenko
                      Victor Demchenko 14 May 2015 06: 32
                      +1
                      with EBNe and young dermocrates, the bloodshed was no less, only by other methods and methods. and now the same policy of gradual asphyxiation of the population continues, take at least a new optimization of healthcare, these plans are worth it! what
                2. vladkavkaz
                  vladkavkaz 12 May 2015 21: 32
                  +4
                  Metallurg RU
                  You jump off the topic, stubbornly, brazenly and without proof, drawing analogies between what is happening in Ukraine and Russia 17.
                  And the analogy is in another place and DIRECT between Germany 20-30 and present Ukraine.
                  Comparison of what is happening today in Ukraine with the events of 1920-30. in Germany, reveals a striking resemblance. Then the party, which was perceived by the majority of the population as marginal, gained decisive political weight in the wake of dissatisfaction with the state of affairs in the country, came to power and established its dictatorship. Having occupied key government posts while formally retaining the presidency of Hindenburg, supporters of National Socialism quickly turned the country into a totalitarian state. The same thing happens with Ukraine: thanks to the connivance of the country's top officials, key government posts are held by supporters of neo-Nazi ideology, who were considered marginal just yesterday, and today are introducing the ideology of social nationalism in all spheres of life.
                  And all the nonsense that you scribbled down the branch, namely, there is nonsense to please the Alien.
                  1. vladkavkaz
                    vladkavkaz 12 May 2015 21: 34
                    +5
                    Social-nationalism is another name for the ideology of Ukrainian integral nationalism, developed in 1920-40. and which, according to its creators, is a compilation of German Nazism and Italian fascism, adapted to Ukrainian conditions. The main conductor of this ideology was the terrorist Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN). One of the leaders of the OUN, Stepan Bandera, was sentenced to imprisonment in Poland for the terrorist act he committed, but in 1939 he was released by the Nazi occupation power and recruited by the Abwehr, nicknamed “Gray”. Today, Bandera takes the main place in the pantheon of heroes of the new Kiev regime. The Abwehr’s agents were also the first leader of the OUN, Yevgeny Konovalets (nicknamed “Consul”) and his successor Andrei Melnik (“Consul-2”). In 1940 was at the initiative of a group of radicals led by Bandera, a split broke out over the power struggle, and the organization split into two fiercely competing wings - OUN (m) (supporters of Miller) and OUN (b) (supporters of Bandera). Both wings were funded by Berlin and participated in the preparation of aggression against the USSR. From “Bandera” and “Melnik” not only punitive battalions were formed after the attack on the USSR, but also independent units such as the Nakhtigal and Roland special battalions, “OUN marching crows” and even the whole 14th SS division “Galichina”. The Nachtigal battalion under the command of Deputy Bandera Roman Shukhevych participated in the massacre of the Polish and Jewish population in Lviv in July 1941, and the Bukovinsky Kuren OUN (m) - in the extermination of Kiev Jews in Babi Yar. In March-April 1943, OUN (b) created its own military unit called the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA), immediately engaged in the destruction of the peaceful Polish population. According to Polish data, during the Volyn massacre, the UPA, with particular cruelty and sadism, destroyed from 80 to 200 thousand Poles, including women, the elderly and infants. Subdivisions of the SS division "Galicia" participated in punitive operations in Ukraine and Yugoslavia, in the suppression of the Warsaw Uprising in 1944. After the defeat of Nazi Germany, part of the UPA divisions broke through Slovakia, the Czech Republic and Austria and transferred to the American zone of occupation. Most of the "Bandera" and "Millers" who collaborated with the Nazis eventually settled in Canada, the United States and Great Britain. Those remaining on the territory of Ukraine were eventually arrested, convicted of war crimes and cooperation with the Nazis, and after serving the sentence returned to Western Ukraine. The revival of neo-Nazi organizations in Ukraine began in the late 1980s with underground student organizations in Lviv, created with the support of Canadian and American ounger emigrants. After Ukraine declared independence, many organizations appeared that declared them to be ideological followers of the OUN of the Bandera wing. These are UNA-UNSO, the Congress of Ukrainian Nationalists, the Patriot of Ukraine, the Social-National Party (renamed the All-Ukrainian Freedom Association in 2005), the Ukrainian National-Labor Party, the Social-Nationalist Assembly, the Trizub All-Ukrainian Association, and Sich " other.
                  2. Metallurgist
                    Metallurgist 13 May 2015 10: 07
                    -5
                    You are incorrigible.
                    For you, it turns out, there is a difference ... under what slogan to slaughter your fellow citizens. The main thing is to declare them the enemies of "everything light and progressive."
                    Since you are generally limited in imagination, you have to give a tough example.
                    How does the cry "mas.kalyaku. To gilyaku" differ from "hit the black-hoops"? There is no difference for you, just to provide the "correct" ideological base.
                    I'm trying to hammer you in that there is absolutely no difference when some citizens of the country call to slaughter other citizens of the country. This is a civil war. This is scary. This is bad for the country. But no, you don't care.
                    The difference between Ukraine 2014 and the Russian Empire, oh yes, forgive the RSFSR, and after the 1917 USSR, the Bolsheviks who came to power were able to arrange genocide of their people on a larger scale than the current rulers of Ukraine.
                    And in the first and second cases, what happened to the country is a tragedy of millions of citizens of the country. But for some reason you are denying the right to life alone.
                    In short. Since you are just a "hurray-patriot," who has heard a lot of slogans, and do not at all understand what you are talking about, I would recommend again: N. Starikov "Who ordered Russia."
                    1. vladkavkaz
                      vladkavkaz 13 May 2015 13: 15
                      +3
                      Metallurg RU
                      Is everything all right with your head?
                      To me your monstrous hallucinations with a mishmash of rumors, gossip and direct distortion of the events taking place, are of little interest.
                      On what basis do you say that there was genocide of anyone in the UNION?
                      Who admitted in what court session?
                      You say to citizens, how then to look at these two citizens, Eggert and Goizman, at least here-
                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF4gPHbgGNU
                      Believe these two citizens?
                      It seems that you believe the others, Kokham, Svanidze, the other Pivovarovs, Zubovs, didn’t they take on a lot, if all their fuss, all their actions brought the country a loss of 12 million in the population, and damage to industrial facilities was worse than from Hitler’s invasion ?
                      The tragedy of millions?
                      Well, you can still sing to me a song about the notorious "marches of anger and unwanted millions", which cannot collect more than 20 thousand in Moscow.
                      You are extremely intellectually and historically LITTLE, a simpler lying person who can neither read nor absorb what has been read.
                      1. Metallurgist
                        Metallurgist 13 May 2015 13: 27
                        -3
                        No, still you are clinically incurable.
                        You about one thing, in jumping off the topic and about the other.
                        So the destruction of millions in the Civil War (both on one side and on the other) is not genocide, it’s like that, they went for a walk ... This, in your opinion, is not even a tragedy.
                        Unlike you, I don’t watch or listen, so I don’t have to ascribe my nightmares about anger marches.
                        The fact that you are not able to understand the whole tragedy of the Russian Empire during its collapse is already clear to everyone. The fact that you will justify any crime in a "beautiful wrapper" is also clear to everyone. The fact that you don't give a damn about the death of millions in a fratricidal war is more of a psychiatrist's responsibility.
                        Now you are still trying to call me a liar - you are an illiterate comedian, even if you find the right sources for reading.
                      2. vladkavkaz
                        vladkavkaz 13 May 2015 15: 30
                        +2
                        Metallurgist
                        No need to wag. The Russian Empire, the liberals of that time, the aristocracy and industrialists, merchants and gesheftmahrara of all stripes collapsed. This is true, and not in your cries about the guilt of the alleged Bolsheviks in general and Lenin in particular.
                        You, an illiterate, have been given a comment who wanted civil, you stubbornly pretend you didn’t read, you don’t understand, BUT ANYTHING can be anything but idle cries about.
                        CIVIL, unleashed WHITE.
                        And from the one who started, from that demand-mind is not enough to understand?
                        A test for sanity, you obviously will not pass, because of the reason you are yelling white on black, but on green-square.
                        An illiterate person, with an aplomb for recognition, you don’t want to see the world see you, but in the circle of colleagues, respect is NULL.
                      3. Metallurgist
                        Metallurgist 14 May 2015 09: 37
                        0
                        CIVIL, unleashed WHITE.

                        This is a complete paragraph.
                        And the civil war in Ukraine, following your logic. unleashed DNI and LC. Hooray! Patriotism Vladika won!
                3. Old old
                  Old old 13 May 2015 01: 08
                  +1
                  Metallurg RU
                  What benefit did Lenin bring to the Russian state?

                  A criterion for assessing the benefits and harms of a person for the state in the studio, please. And do not press on emotions ("bloody tyrant", etc.), otherwise you can recall the "lance shootings" of starving workers in Siberia, "Bloody Sunday", the Crimean and Russian-Japanese wars. This is not the point. How to measure "usefulness"?
                  1. Metallurgist
                    Metallurgist 13 May 2015 10: 09
                    -4
                    N. Starikov "Who ordered Russia" - read. I'm just tired of writing obvious things here.
                    1. vladkavkaz
                      vladkavkaz 13 May 2015 13: 15
                      +2
                      Metallurg RU
                      It is necessary to lie less.
            2. mark7
              mark7 12 May 2015 12: 02
              +9
              Quote: Metallurg
              The benefit that Lenin brought to the Russian state, point by point, please.
              You, nickname Vladikavkaz, teach materiel, not express your nonsense here.

              The benefit is that he managed to tear out an abandoned and ruined country and not give it to the interventionists, who had already rubbed their hands and had already brought in troops by the way
              1. Metallurgist
                Metallurgist 12 May 2015 12: 26
                +4
                So, Lenin is the leader of an extremely radical part of the population, who have not yet called themselves Bolsheviks. Suffice it to recall his article: "The Worse, the Better." To wish defeat for your country during the war is yes, it is a merit.
                The most interesting thing is that few people pay attention to the fact that Lenin and his comrades welcomed the Provisional Government.
                For some reason, no one pays attention to the fact that it was the Lenin party that mainly called for terrorist activities during 1900-1917.
                Even fewer people pay attention to the fact that Lenin acted under the leadership of English, and not German, intelligence.
                And his merit, probably only in the fact that he simply "threw" his British employers. Collected, not all, the fragments of the Russian Empire in the USSR. I will also keep silent about the civil war and the surplus appropriation system, as well as about the peasant revolts. Especially about their suppression. And his attitude to the faith of the people. It is also significant.
                In short: Lenin took an active part in the collapse of his state (the Russian Empire), in order to build something new, completely without thinking about the cost of this "perestroika" (sacrifice).
                And if you carefully look at the time when the interventionists were introduced, you honor contemporaries of that time, you will perfectly understand that for the Russian state Lenin is an evil genius. A kind of Gorbachev for the USSR.
                1. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA 12 May 2015 14: 41
                  +18
                  Quote: Metallurg
                  And if you carefully look at the time when the interventionists were introduced, you honor contemporaries of that time, you will perfectly understand that for the Russian state Lenin is an evil genius. A kind of Gorbachev for the USSR.

                  Not. Gorbachev for the Empire was Nicky. Weak and weak-willed, he, with his own hands, acting undoubtedly from well-meaning, led the Empire to collapse.

                  The party of Lenin in February 1917 was radically marginal, with no more than 20 members, of which a good part were abroad. And his contribution to the collapse of the Empire is immeasurably less than the contribution of the same Social Revolutionaries (if we take the left wing of the political parties of the Empire).

                  The undoubted leader in the collapse of the Empire should be considered the official elite of Russia. It was not Lenin who pressed against the emperor with a demand for abdication. It was not the Bolsheviks who commanded the fronts and sent Niki telegrams supporting his abdication. And it was not the Bolsheviks who brought the Empire to collapse in February 1917. This was done by those who sawed the budget of the Empire at the height of the war, selling shells 30-50-100% more expensive than the breech, and collecting state loans for "paper" factories, which had to be completed already the Bolsheviks. And then, in their irrepressible greed, they decided that they could manage the country better, and they needed more money from the budget. And at the height of the war, at first they staged riots in the capital, and then the abdication of the emperor.

                  Well, history judged them. Having gained all power in February 1917 and crushing its only rival, the Soviets, in July, by the end of August, the Temporary workers had lost control of the army. And by October - and over the country.
                  1. goose
                    goose 12 May 2015 16: 13
                    +8
                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    This was done by those who sawed through the budget of the Empire at the height of the war, selling shells 30-50-100% more expensive than the breech, and collecting state loans for "paper" factories, which had to be completed by the Bolsheviks.

                    As it turned out, a significant part of the 3-inch shells sold to the treasury was 3 times more expensive than state-owned factories. Despite the fact that several years before the war, state-owned factories were idle, although the shells were not enough according to the standards adopted after the Russo-Japanese.
                2. Erg
                  Erg 12 May 2015 16: 15
                  -1
                  Metallurgist. I agree with you. What is the "catch" of the situation that both Lenin and Kerensky worked for the same owner. And the story of the "capture" of Winter Palace and the "seizure" of power by the Bolsheviks is very "muddy". I think that no one tried to catch Kerensky. He honestly worked out his money (after General Alekseev, who carried out a military coup, did the same). The next stage was approaching - the coming to power of one of the best students of Parvus (Our dear Ilyich), the final collapse of Russia, the destruction of tens of millions of people, the transfer of its resources under external control, merciless plunder ... hi
                  1. Alexey RA
                    Alexey RA 12 May 2015 16: 39
                    +8
                    Quote: Erg
                    The next stage has come - the coming to power of one of the best students of Parvus (Our dear Ilyich), the final collapse of Russia, the destruction of tens of millions of people, the transfer of its resources to external control, merciless looting ...

                    The problem is that the Bolsheviks had their own opinion about the development of the situation after the seizure of power. smile
                    And personally, comrade VIL was a person utterly cunning ... wise. Live it now - would be the best example of Realpolitik. One Brest Peace is worth.

                    Therefore, before the seizure of power, the Bolsheviks and VIL could promise anything and to anyone. But taking power over 1/6 of the land, they further disposed of this power as the VIL and its faction considered it necessary, and not as foreign financiers planned. And those who came for Ilyich - and even more so. A tricky plan: to grant concessions and permits to joint ventures and foreign enterprises, to wait until the happy capitalists settle down - and then start to crush them with all the severity of revolutionary legislation. Result: factories are bought at a lower price, the USSR still has personnel - and the capitalists cry, prick, but continue to eat the cactus - Delivering equipment to the USSR and training specialists already as part of foreign purchases.

                    By the way, if you remember, in October 1917, it was not the Bolsheviks who took power at all. The Soviets took power, in which the Bolsheviks were only part of the coalition. And all its members also had agreed plans for the future. So what? Where are they, and where are the Bolsheviks in the same 1919? laughing
                    1. Erg
                      Erg 12 May 2015 16: 59
                      +5
                      You can’t argue with you smile ... But I want to remember one more sly. A native of Lenin's "company". This is Joseph Vissarionovich. That is exactly from whom they did not expect anything like that. Even Vladimir Ilyich ... hi
                      1. Alexey RA
                        Alexey RA 12 May 2015 17: 28
                        +7
                        Quote: Erg
                        But I want to remember one more sly. A native of Lenin's "company". This is Joseph Vissarionovich. That is exactly from whom "nothing of the kind was expected." Even Vladimir Ilyich ...

                        Yes ... but you could think about when the harsh and hot Caucasian highlander actually went down, leaving the Workers' Committee and the People's Commissariat for People's Commissars and leaving for himself the purely bureaucratic post of Secretary of the Central Committee. But, apparently, then "Iosif Vissarionovich" and "long-term intrigue" in the heads of the Bolshevik elite were not combined. Yes, and the joy of eliminating a competitor blanketed my eyes.
                        And then ... then it was too late: not a place colors a person, but a person a place. And little by little, the rank-and-file apparatus position, designed for the current work of an organizational and executive nature and for managing the party apparatus (in fact, what Poskrebyshev later did), has become the head of the party and country.

                        In general, in the mid-20s, such a spider-man was at the top ... judging by Simonov, only the Military Anxiety of 1927 tore off the political treasures and internal struggles of the Bolshevik elite, when it suddenly turned out that if everything was left to chance and not engage in real affairs ( industry and agricultural), that is, there are great chances to lose power, and, possibly, the head. Because it suddenly turned out that while at the top they were sharing portfolios and felling each other, the USSR did not have either an army or industry.
                      2. Erg
                        Erg 12 May 2015 20: 55
                        +6
                        Respect. One can discuss Stalin's "mistakes" for a long time, but one cannot but admit that he had a very difficult time in the history of the state. And He did it! With honor! hi
                3. mark7
                  mark7 12 May 2015 16: 32
                  +5
                  Quote: Metallurg
                  you will understand that for the state of Russia, Lenin is an evil genius. A kind of Gorbachev for the USSR.

                  You will not understand a little that revolutions of such a plan and character do not pass bloodlessly and there were enough vultures there. Take Ukraine - everything is the same, only without ideology, moreover, you forget that the country was mostly agrarian in the main. And so, Lenin not a saint and Stalin, but they all learned from their mistakes too, and as for the surplus appropriation, the Master later punished everyone for excesses or almost everyone, just think about this, the idea itself was correct and led the country to the leaders on the earth's globe, I hate this word for "partners" - they also had enough of their own shit, all kinds of revolutions and depressions
                  1. Metallurgist
                    Metallurgist 12 May 2015 16: 35
                    -5
                    STOP!
                    So we went to the cornerstone.
                    You condemn the Maidan in Ukraine, but there is no revolution in the Russian Empire?
                    What are these double standards? After all, both there and there - the customer is one and the same!
                    Hypocritical of you, don’t you?
                    1. vladkavkaz
                      vladkavkaz 12 May 2015 17: 01
                      +4
                      Metallurg RU
                      You had to read another stupid thing in your performance, with such a link, are you an illiterate interpreter of the events of a hundred years ago trying to combine the Nazi rebellion on the Maidan in Kiev and the personnel of V.I. Lenin with the events of October 1917? If the Empire was destroyed in February, the forerunner of the current liberals, who they jump everywhere and in everything they support exactly the Nazi in fact the Junta in Kiev?
                      1. Metallurgist
                        Metallurgist 12 May 2015 21: 09
                        -6
                        The liberals destroyed the empire ... well, let the liberals, be it your way.
                        So what is the difference between the slogan: mo.skal.yaku on gilyaku from beat the bourgeois?
                        That in the first case on a national basis and in the second on a social basis?
                        And all?
                        The consequences here and there are the same: the collapse of the state and the civil war. But you don’t see it either.
                        The right sector wants war, but the Bolsheviks also wanted the same.
                        The right sector arranges purges, the Bolsheviks also did.

                        In short, you are a complete zero in matters of history, a kind of "hurray-patriot", and very narrow-minded. Tired of explaining to you things that are simple in essence. Read: N. Starikov "Who ordered Russia" - there are answers to all your questions. Maybe it will help, although judging by you - I doubt it.
                      2. vladkavkaz
                        vladkavkaz 12 May 2015 21: 21
                        +4
                        Metallurg RU
                        Do you have close acquaintance with twerks and other rubbish in your head?
                        Or are you one in VO, a kind of which you deign — in one comment you advocate socialism, in another, as here you compare socialism with terry nationalism — you have at least some OWN point of view, and not work for a fee, as please?
                        "So what is the difference between the slogan: mo.skal.yaku on gilyaku from beat the bourgeoisie" -DIFFICULT to guess? In the question, the answer is that everyone who has the wrong face, regardless of the state (although this is far from the fact "get out of the country or destroy, so how was it done in Nazi Germany-HISTORY is not taught?
                        What is bourgeois, something valuable in society, bloodsuckers eating in three throats at the expense of working people?
                        "The consequences are the same here and there - the collapse of the state and the civil war" -Yes ?? And what, in this case, did the heirs of the liberals through more than one generation in the 90s in the USSR? Only now the difference is palpable, in the first case the Power destroyed the consolidated military the strength of the West (and this is not only the troops as such, this is from education to medicine, industry and agriculture, the advantages of socialist construction) And what are the liberals Vasilyeva and Shenderovich showing with the Kochs and Makarevichs?
                        "The right sector wants war, but the Bolsheviks wanted the same." - The Bolsheviks wanted war? Who did you get this nonsense from?
                        "The right sector is organizing the purges, the Bolsheviks did too. 2-Lustrations in Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, the USA - do they remind you of anything?

                        In ONE word, tidy up your semolina in your head.
                      3. vladkavkaz
                        vladkavkaz 12 May 2015 21: 24
                        +2
                        Metallurg RU
                        Try to read the comments, otherwise look extremely stupid.

                        How did the civil war arise, who is responsible for this?

                        The Bolsheviks did not want a civil war. However, a different point of view is now spreading: as if the war was caused solely by the intransigence of the Bolsheviks. A considerable degree of bias is needed to insist on this, not to mention the falsification of Lenin’s direct assurances that "we do not want a civil war," "we are against a civil war." It takes tremendous power of imagination to imagine a political party, which, having come to power, consciously seeks from the very beginning to create the worst conditions for its own rule. Archival documents, facts, and memories disprove such fabrications. The Bolsheviks were well aware that any war, including civil war, poses a threat to revolutionary conquests, sacrifices and suffering to the masses, and impedes the solution of creative tasks. The Bolsheviks did not give priority to violence.

                        Recall only some historical facts. - Even before October, the Bolsheviks put forward a whole program of struggle for the peaceful development of the revolution. After Kornilovism, in order to avoid a civil war, they sought an alliance with the Mensheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries. Having come to power, to expand its social support, they went on to create a bloc with the Left Social Revolutionaries not only in the Soviets, but also in the government.

                        It seems to us that many political parties of Russia are to some extent guilty of unleashing a civil war. But it was unleashed by the right Social Revolutionaries and representatives of other parties, united in the so-called "democratic counter-revolution."
                        The great disaster for the peoples of Russia was, says historian L. Spirin, that the internecine war put on different sides the front lines of the carriers of the socialist idea: the Bolsheviks on the one hand, and the Mensheviks and Socialist Revolutionaries on the other. The civil war, therefore, began with the war between the socialists. - This is what lies on the surface. However, there were underlying reasons: the October Revolution, the first fundamental socio-economic transformations, and the growing influence of the Soviet government caused fierce resistance from the overthrown exploiting classes.
                        In 1917 - 1918, the Russian bourgeoisie and landlords lost power and large property, huge class privileges.
                      4. Erg
                        Erg 12 May 2015 21: 46
                        -4
                        Respected. The overthrow of legitimate authority has never led to anything good. So we were taught at school that the Decembrists are good. Volodya’s brother wanted to blow up the tsar - it’s not bad either ... But in fact they are ordinary terrorists and enemies of the state (read, people). Was it not so in Kiev?
                      5. vladkavkaz
                        vladkavkaz 12 May 2015 21: 47
                        +1
                        ErgSU
                        Go to school, go to school, run a march, to the 1st grade, to learn numeracy, literacy and a calendar. Then finally learn that February is much earlier than October.
                        And in Ukraine, a direct Nazi rebellion, to school, to learn history.
                        The fact that neo-Nazis are preparing a coup was known many months before the Maidan. At a rally in honor of the UPA in October 2012, a member of the senior leadership of Svoboda urged the neo-Nazis to “cultivate a militaristic spirit” and “master the weapons to fight the occupying power”. Her colleague Yuri Mikhalchishin specified that it was necessary to prepare for urban battles and threatened to “feed the enemies of the Ukrainian nation,” primarily Russians and Jews, with asphalt. A year later, the leadership of "Trident" at a press conference announced their plans to take power in the country and destroy the "enemies of the nation." The training of the militants, including mine-demolition work, the seizure of buildings, knife fighting, assault mountaineering, was carried out by the UNSO and the Patriot of Ukraine formally separated from Liberty, on the basis of which members of the Liberty were trained. In the “Memo”, published in the third issue (2010) of the Banderovets newspaper, each member of the organization is required to master the art of hand-to-hand combat, increase endurance and the level of possession of small arms and cold steel. The purpose of these skills is described in the same issue of the newspaper: to seize power, which will take place soon. These organizations, as well as outright racists and anti-Semites, such as the "White Hammer" fighters for the purity of the white race, became the main fighting force of the armed coup in Kiev in February 2014. From the militants of these organizations (by analogy with the SA assault units), "hundreds of Maidan self-defense" were formed. Following the example of the Nazi "Zig! Heil! ” the main greeting of Maidan-2014 was the password and recall of the nationalists-Bandera "Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes! ”, Which eventually turned into a semi-official pan-Ukrainian greeting and quite official in the Ukrainian army. The greeting is accompanied by a raising of the right hand in a known gesture. The second, semi-official flag of Ukraine was the red-black banner of the OUN, conveying the symbolism of the concepts “blood and soil” borrowed from Nazi ideologists. Part of the "hundreds of self-defense", consisting of members of neo-Nazi organizations, with the outbreak of hostilities was reorganized into "special battalions" and "territorial battalions" of the National Guard. In them, as in SS, a careful selection takes place not only according to physical data, but also on adherence to the ideology of Ukrainian integral nationalism. These battalions prefer the color of the form of SS units, some of them wear chevrons with the symbols of the SS divisions. For example, the Azov battalion, formed from members of the Patriot of Ukraine and the Social-Nationalist Assembly, uses the Wolfsangel rune of the Das Reich division.

                      6. Erg
                        Erg 13 May 2015 07: 42
                        -2
                        Thanks for the detailed answer. Only I did not understand about February and October.
                      7. vladkavkaz
                        vladkavkaz 13 May 2015 09: 57
                        +3
                        Erg
                        If you do not understand, go to school, to study in detail what is the difference between the bourgeois revolution of February 17 and the collapse of the country and October 17, as the beginning of the country's assembly, on the new principle of social structure.
                      8. Erg
                        Erg 13 May 2015 13: 32
                        -1
                        I do not understand what is wrong with you. Where did you see inconsistencies in my words?
                      9. Metallurgist
                        Metallurgist 13 May 2015 13: 46
                        0
                        Do not pay attention to Vladikavkaz - everything is running with brains there. Frenzied cheers-patriotism. If he slip any topic into a beautiful wrapper, he will go for it, so don’t look for meaning in his words, there’s no way for the psychiatrist to figure it out.
                      10. Erg
                        Erg 13 May 2015 15: 00
                        -1
                        Thanks. There were such suspicions. I came across this friend in the topic "April 12". Our friend is an ardent admirer of American achievements in the field of "lunar exploration". He gave me heat there laughing
                      11. Erg
                        Erg 14 May 2015 21: 55
                        -1
                        Hey, friend, I see normal language is not clear. Has it suffered? I'm not a boy. Teach your offspring about the difference in revolutions, leader. You have a concrete mess in your head. I will explain on my fingers (stress on the second syllable). So, if you don't understand, Both 1905 (attempt), and February (stage), and October (next stage) are acts of the same action. Customer - Wall Street. Take an interest in what laws the Kerensky government adopted on "soldiers' deputies", knowing in advance that this will lead to the collapse of the army, what law on "socialization (nationalization) of women" was adopted by the Bolsheviks. white ... You, as if you just hatched out of an egg, have not read anything except scientific communism. Although you understand that in those distant times there was an outright genocide of the people of Russia (as it is now in Ukraine) ... I did not understand, what are you? - do you want to dump Putin? Did you miss the revolution?
                    2. mark7
                      mark7 12 May 2015 21: 07
                      +2
                      [quote = Metallurgist] STOP! [/ [quote = Metallurgist] STOP!
                      So we went to the cornerstone.
                      You condemn the Maidan in Ukraine, but there is no revolution in the Russian Empire?
                      What are these double standards? After all, both there and there - the customer is one and the same!
                      Hypocritical of you, don’t you? [/ Quote]
                      I don’t find it, because I gave an example of these revolutions, and I don’t support one of them, but since it happened, the Bolsheviks were at the right time, and not without excesses, but they could make us proud of our country, by the way of which we and are obliged to Soviet education, and how to know under the tsar ... there Zhukov would be so in furriers ...
                      1. Erg
                        Erg 13 May 2015 15: 07
                        -2
                        Well, what's the matter, friend? Why condemn the Maidan and the junta? It's too early. We’ll wait another 15-20 years - maybe they will make Ukrainians proud of their country. And who knows ... Vaughn, Turchinov, under the old regime, he could have vegetated ... wassat
                    3. mark7
                      mark7 12 May 2015 21: 12
                      0
                      Quote: Metallurg
                      Hypocritical of you, don’t you?

                      ps minus I did not put you, yet the topic is interesting and the interlocutor
              2. psiho117
                psiho117 12 May 2015 13: 54
                -5
                Quote: mark7

                The benefit is that he managed to tear out an abandoned and ruined country and not give it to the interventionists, who had already rubbed their hands and had already brought in troops by the way

                You can instruct me here a bunch of minuses, but the fact is that he also ruined this country.
                Settled bydlobunt, led by Lazars, Katz, Kogany, Bronstein and other liquid Massonian abomination.
                This human rot raised the revolution in the country during the war!
                During the life of Lenin, millions of Russian people were destroyed, the color of the nation - RUSSIAN NOBILITY, RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE, CASE OF RUSSIAN OFFICERS, RUSSIAN INDUSTRIALISTS, RUSSIAN MERCERS.
                Moreover, all these estates and classes were DESTROYED AT THE ROOT - NOT ONLY MEN, BUT WOMEN, CHILDREN, OLD OLDERS. It was genocide of the Russian people by the Jews, with the connivance and direct participation of your "hero" Lenin ...

                Well, convince me of how good he is, our talanted bald Fuhrer ...
                1. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA 12 May 2015 14: 47
                  +9
                  Quote: psiho117
                  You can instruct me here a bunch of minuses, but the fact is that he also ruined this country.
                  Settled bydlobunt, led by Lazars, Katz, Kogany, Bronstein and other liquid Massonian abomination.
                  This human rot raised the revolution in the country during the war!

                  Learn the story.
                  The February 1917 riot was planned and organized by the noble gentlemen from the Duma, the owners "factories, newspapers, steamboats"and the highest military elite.
                  Guchkov, Ryabushinsky, Shulgin, Alekseev, Kerensky and other "Temporary trash" would be very surprised to learn that they are considered Bolsheviks. smile

                  It was they who paved the way for the Bolsheviks, first having thrown off the emperor, and then for six months about ... loving all the power they have. As a result, the coalition of Social Revolutionaries and Bolsheviks in October really just picked up power in Russia - since the temporary workers by this time had no control over anything.
                  1. psiho117
                    psiho117 12 May 2015 15: 56
                    -5
                    I hope you do not dispute the fact of the genocide of the Russian people by the Jews? Conducted joyfully, with songs and slogans, with the full connivance and feasible help of the Bolsheviks, led by Lenin.
                    It is good that almost all of this fraternity soon died ... Who themselves killed each other (all Jews divided Mother Russia among themselves), and Stalin uprooted the rest, bow to him for that.
                    1. Uncle Joe
                      Uncle Joe 12 May 2015 16: 05
                      +1
                      Quote: psiho117
                      I hope the fact of the genocide of the Russian people
                      And where can one look at this fact?
                      1. Metallurgist
                        Metallurgist 12 May 2015 16: 12
                        +1
                        Look at the number of casualties during the Civil War. Add starvation, disease. Add the executed to 1924 (until the death of Lenin).
                        Get an approximate figure. This is genocide. I won’t tell whose, but the fact that part of the Russian people (and I include both Tatars and Buryats and the peoples of the Caucasus) was destroyed, let’s say, by fellow citizens — it is undeniable.
                      2. vladkavkaz
                        vladkavkaz 12 May 2015 17: 16
                        +4
                        Metallurg RU
                        Again LIKBEZ read ... Well read, just illiterate.
                        Civil war is the most acute form of struggle for state power between classes and social groups within a country, when contradictions and clashes turn into armed struggle. The civil war is characterized by extreme bitterness and tension. It involves, as a rule, not only the army, but also huge sections of the population. It differs from other wars by an immeasurably greater complexity.
                        It seems that it is necessary to see the difference between the time when the armed struggle was relatively limited, and the time when it was the main content of the country's life. Of course, immediately after the October Revolution, the hostile forces began, along with economic sabotage and political confrontation, to launch an armed struggle. But still, from October 1917 to the summer of 1918, the conclusion of the Brest Peace was the main thing in the life of the state. This respite allowed them to pay maximum attention to the economy. This period is a kind of intermediate state of getting out of the imperialist war and “creeping” into the civil war.

                        From the summer of 1918 to the end of 1920, the civil war merged into a single whole with military intervention, when the military question became the main, fundamental one, on whose decision the fate of the revolution depended; when the whole life of the Soviet Republic had to be subordinated to the task “Everything for the front, everything for the victory over the enemy!”
                        DENY ANTANTA'S help WHITE, will you?
                      3. vladkavkaz
                        vladkavkaz 12 May 2015 17: 17
                        +4
                        How did the civil war arise, who is responsible for this?

                        The Bolsheviks did not want a civil war. However, a different point of view is now spreading: as if the war was caused solely by the intransigence of the Bolsheviks. A considerable degree of bias is needed to insist on this, not to mention the falsification of Lenin’s direct assurances that "we do not want a civil war," "we are against a civil war." It takes tremendous power of imagination to imagine a political party, which, having come to power, consciously seeks from the very beginning to create the worst conditions for its own rule. Archival documents, facts, and memories disprove such fabrications. The Bolsheviks were well aware that any war, including civil war, poses a threat to revolutionary conquests, sacrifices and suffering to the masses, and impedes the solution of creative tasks. The Bolsheviks did not give priority to violence.

                        Recall only some historical facts. - Even before October, the Bolsheviks put forward a whole program of struggle for the peaceful development of the revolution. After Kornilovism, in order to avoid a civil war, they sought an alliance with the Mensheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries. Having come to power, to expand its social support, they went on to create a bloc with the Left Social Revolutionaries not only in the Soviets, but also in the government.

                        It seems to us that many political parties of Russia are to some extent guilty of unleashing a civil war. But it was unleashed by the right Social Revolutionaries and representatives of other parties, united in the so-called "democratic counter-revolution."
                        The great disaster for the peoples of Russia was, says historian L. Spirin, that the internecine war put on different sides the front lines of the carriers of the socialist idea: the Bolsheviks on the one hand, and the Mensheviks and Socialist Revolutionaries on the other. The civil war, therefore, began with the war between the socialists. - This is what lies on the surface. However, there were underlying reasons: the October Revolution, the first fundamental socio-economic transformations, and the growing influence of the Soviet government caused fierce resistance from the overthrown exploiting classes.
                        In 1917 - 1918, the Russian bourgeoisie and landlords lost power and large property, huge class privileges.
                        In unleashing a civil war and Russia, the role of international imperialism is also great. The civil war would not have acquired such a scale and duration without foreign interference in the internal affairs of the Soviet Republic. According to the White Guard historian A. Zaitsev, at some stages of the war, "the internal forces of the Russian counter-revolution were close to zero and" the hope for the help of the allies inspired the fighters against the Bolsheviks ... The intervention of the allies in our civil war promised her a quick victorious end. "
                      4. vladkavkaz
                        vladkavkaz 12 May 2015 17: 20
                        +2
                        Entente countries made serious plans to support the anti-Bolshevik movement. At the end of 1917, England and France agreed on military intervention against the Soviet Republic and on the division of spheres of influence in it. It was assumed that the United States and Japan will carry out predatory actions in the Far East and Siberia, England - in the Don, Kuban and Transcaucasia, France - in Ukraine and Crimea, Bessarabia. German troops continued the occupation of Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic states. Immediately after the conclusion of the Brest Peace and the withdrawal of Russia from the World War, the Allies began to carry out their plans.
                        In March 1918, British, American and French troops landed in Murmansk and Arkhangelsk; in April - American and Japanese troops - in Vladivostok; the French — in Odessa, the English — captured Baku and invaded Turkestan, where the Trans-Caspian Front was formed. German troops, violating the Brest Treaty, invaded the Don, North Caucasus, Armenia, Georgia, captured Crimea.

                        The role of shock force was assigned to the Czechoslovak corps. His rebellion at the end of May 1918 served as a detonator of the civil war. The corps began to form before the October Revolution from prisoners of the Austro-Hungarian army under the leadership of the Czechoslovak National Council. After the revolution and Russia's withdrawal from the war, the Soviet government allowed Czechs and Slovaks to travel through Siberia and the Far East to France. But Entente leaders decided to use the corps in their anti-Soviet interests. At the end of May and the beginning of June 1918, he, stretching out in echelons along the railway from Penza to Vladivostok, raised a rebellion with the help of the White Guards, Socialist-Revolutionaries and Mensheviks, although a significant portion of the prisoners refused to oppose the workers and peasants.

                        Thus, by mid-1918, Soviet Russia was in the ring of fronts.

                        Judging by the cries of a twerk lover, all these invaders, from the Czechs to the Japanese, from the British, Romanians, French and Americans, directly glowed with love for the Russian and our other peoples, which distributed exclusively bagels and cookies like Nuland, though the result of such cookies as now in Ukraine, brother against brother, the WHITE AGAINST RUSSIA as such, which they would not shout now and no matter how they try to state the opposite.
                      5. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 12 May 2015 23: 13
                        +1
                        Quote: Metallurg
                        Look at the number of casualties during the Civil War. Add starvation, disease. Add the executed to 1924 (until the death of Lenin).
                        Get an approximate figure. This is genocide.
                        Without further ado, I look at the wiki cunningly and see a figure of 10.5 million - the devil knows how super mortality was considered and whom they wrote to it, but let it be.
                        After that, I look at the average life expectancy in the Republic of Ingushetia at 32 years, look at the level of child mortality (60% of all deaths were children under the age of 4), and I understand that it was worth it.

                        Although for the sake of fairness, it is worth noting that for these probable 10.5 million thanks, it is necessary to say not to the Bolsheviks, but to the white, and their overseas friends - this is the first.

                        And 2nd: Genocide in the Encyclopedic Dictionary - (from Greek genos - kind - tribe and Latin caedo - I kill), in international law - one of the gravest crimes against humanity, the extermination of certain groups of the population on racial, national, ethnic or religious grounds , as well as the deliberate creation of living conditions designed for the complete or partial physical destruction of these groups, as well as measures to prevent childbearing in their environment (biological genocide).

                        A remarkable definition, from a comparison of which with the above it can be seen that the elements of genocide were regularly encountered until the 17th year, and not after it.

                        I will not say whose
                        And you try - with what GV began, what did each of the parties want?
                    2. Alexey RA
                      Alexey RA 12 May 2015 16: 52
                      +4
                      Quote: psiho117
                      I hope you do not dispute the fact of the genocide of the Russian people by the Jews? Conducted joyfully, with songs and slogans, with the full connivance and feasible help of the Bolsheviks, led by Lenin.

                      If by genocide you mean Civil and both terror, then this "genocide" for the most part was carried out by the "God-bearing people". Non-Jews happily carried out decossackization - the same Cossack idle people and nonresidents, who remembered all the good things to their neighbors and relatives. Non-Jews cut / hung / shot / burned neighbors in the village. It was not the Jews who turned over their acquaintances to the Cheka or counterintelligence.
                      However, what else to expect: abruptly released "brakes" + a mass of weapons on hand - and here it is, Russian revolt - senseless and merciless.

                      In Ukraine, for example, they slaughtered each other quite autonomously and independently:
                      There were dreary rumors that only the Bolsheviks can cope with the hetman and German misfortune, but the Bolsheviks have their own misfortune:
                      - Jews and commissars.
                      - Here is the bitter little head of Ukrainian men!
                      Nowhere is there salvation !!
                      There were tens of thousands of people who returned from the war and were able to shoot ...
                      “But the officers themselves learned by order of their superiors!”
                      Hundreds of thousands of rifles buried in the ground, hidden in clams and lockers and not surrendered, despite German military courts coming fast, flogging and shrapnel firing, millions of rounds in the same land and three-inch guns in every fifth village and machine guns in every second, in the whole town, warehouses of shells, arsenals with overcoats and hats.
                      And in these same towns, teachers, paramedics, classmates, Ukrainian seminarians who, by the will of fate, became ensigns, the hefty sons of beekeepers, captains with Ukrainian surnames ... everyone speaks Ukrainian, everyone loves a magical, imagined Ukraine, without lords, without lords Moscale officers, and thousands of former Ukrainian prisoners who returned from Galicia.
                      This is in the appendage to tens of thousands of peasants? .. Oh-hoo!
                2. goose
                  goose 12 May 2015 16: 15
                  +4
                  Quote: psiho117
                  RUSSIAN NOBILITY

                  Quote: psiho117
                  RUSSIAN INDUSTRIALISTS, RUSSIAN MERCHANTS

                  Read how the above behaved before the time of Russian-Japanese and World War I. Well, the February revolution during the war is their business. Lenin only deftly seized power from them.
                3. Referent
                  Referent 12 May 2015 19: 27
                  +4
                  I am not a historian and I will answer purely in my personal life:
                  I quote: "During Lenin's life, millions of Russian people were destroyed" - YOU are now alive and well on this site, you polemicize and oppose - it means that your ancestors survived, you were born and raised.
                  I quote: "Millions of Russian people were destroyed, the color of the nation is the RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT, RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE, THE CORPS OF RUSSIAN OFFICERS, RUSSIAN INDUSTRIES, RUSSIAN KUPTSY". - My grandfather and grandmother from the Pskov region are peasants, and at the time of the Republic of Ingushetia they would have been my parents, and I probably would. I consider the Soviet period of my childhood, youth, adult life a blessing. In the Russian Empire, I could not become a nobleman, officer, merchant. And why? I also want to !!! The Soviet period gave everyone equal opportunities for social lifts. The fact that people of Jewish nationality participated in the revolution is a matter of separate study (why, why, how, etc.?).
                  Yes ..... and yet ..... I am a supporter of the views to select the loot and share. Perhaps it would have been the same in the Russian Empire, and if not for Lenin, perhaps I would have been at the head of the revolution? Of course I apologize, I do not suffer from delusions of grandeur - thinking aloud. But .... the October Revolution happened and we are now alive and well, we are sitting in computers, and how would it be if ..... - pure demagogy. Are you psiho117 either too young or from the White Guard deficiencies (while you survived the genocide?).
                4. mark7
                  mark7 12 May 2015 21: 23
                  +3
                  Quote: psiho117
                  Well, convince me of how good he is, our talanted bald Fuhrer ...

                  Why convince, just read the comments of people more closely, they write that the Bolshevik party was in the minority and abroad, and just picked up the power so that you all will not recover from propaganda, and Starikov very cleverly describes everything
                5. Erg
                  Erg 13 May 2015 07: 50
                  +1
                  I fully support. hi
              3. Erg
                Erg 12 May 2015 16: 06
                +1
                belay Have you completely fallen off your horse? Respected. Please take the trouble to take a little interest in the history of Your country. I don't see any point in explaining to you point by point. You are not ready for this. But first, take an interest in the population of the Republic of Ingushetia in 1916, and then in 1926. Even Wikipedia does not lead you to "sad" thoughts. And then comprehend the meaning of the word "concession", and how it relates to Russia of the above-mentioned period. The country was under external control. Maidan is before your eyes. And the same organizers. Is it hard to draw parallels?
                1. vladkavkaz
                  vladkavkaz 12 May 2015 17: 31
                  +2
                  ErgSU
                  It turns out to be difficult .. but why are you doing this, trying to draw parallels between October 17 and the maydaunas in Kiev?
                  1. psiho117
                    psiho117 12 May 2015 20: 47
                    -2
                    Quote: vladkavkaz

                    It turns out to be difficult .. but why are you doing this, trying to draw parallels between October 17 and the maydaunas in Kiev?

                    Yes, then, that you point blank do not see how mirror-like the situation is:

                    we look at who is in power then:

                    - Council of People's Commissars:
                    Chairman of SNK Lenin (Ulyanov) - Russian
                    Commissioner for Foreign Affairs Chicherin - Russian
                    Nationality Commissioner Stalin (Dzhugashvili) - Georgian
                    Agriculture Commissioner Proshyan - Armenian
                    Commissioner of the Army and Navy Trotsky (Bronstein) - Jew
                    Chairman of the Supreme Economic Council Larin (Lurie) - Jew
                    Commissioner for the restoration of Schlichter Jew
                    Commissioner Goszemel Kaufman-Hebrew
                    State Control Commissioner Lander - Jew
                    Public Works Commissioner Schmidt W. - Jew
                    Commissioner of Social Charity Lilina (Knigissen) - Jewish
                    Commissar of the People's Initiation Lunacharsky (Bailikh) - Jew
                    Religious Commissar Svalbard - Jew
                    Public Health Commissioner Anvelt - Jew
                    Commissar of the Interior Zinoviev (Apfelbaum) - Jew
                    Finance Commissioner Gukovsky - Jew
                    Printing Commissioner Volodarsky (Kogan) - Jew
                    Uritsky Election Commissioner - Jew
                    Justice Commissioner Steinberg - Jew
                    Shegintein Commissioner for Evacuation - Jew
                    and his assistants:
                    Raevich - a Jew
                    Zoslavsky - a Jew

                    - we look at who is in power on the outskirts now:

                    - Speaker of the Parliament - Alexander Turchinov - Jew
                    - President of Ukraine - Petro Poroshenko - Jew
                    - Prime Minister - Arseniy Yatsenyuk - Jew
                    - Minister of Finance - Alexander Shlapak - Jew
                    - Vice Prime Minister - Vladimir Groisman - Jew
                    - Minister of the Interior - Arsen Avakov - Armenian Jew
                    - Minister of Culture - Sergey Nischuk - semi-Jew, Freemason
                    - Director of the National Bank - Stepan Kubiv - Jew
                    - Yulia Katelman (Tymoshenko) - Jewish
                    - Vitali Klitschko (Etinson) - Jewish father
                    - Oleg Frotman (Tyagnibok) - Jew for his mother.
                    - Dmitry Yarosh - Jew
                    Jewish Oligarchs of Ukraine: 8 billionaires. ALL JEWS.
                    The oligarchs of Ukraine are 95 percent Jews.
                    The owners of media holdings and all major television channels are Jews.
                    1. psiho117
                      psiho117 12 May 2015 20: 49
                      -2
                      - Let's go further: the shooting of the riot by the "alleged" authorities - there is Bloody Sunday, here - the Heavenly Hundred.
                      - The slogans "take away and divide" - they took away factories, newspapers, steamers from some oligarchs (mostly Russians) and gave them to others (mostly Jews); here - they took the Yanukovychs (Russians) from the Donetsk clan and gave them to Valtsman-Kolomoisky-Firtash (Jews).
                      - Then: The slogan "who was nobody - he will become everything!" (a bunch of mud floated up, killed, robbed, hiding behind a revolutionary mandate).
                      Now - "people's" lustration, hundreds of Maidan, raider seizures, murders of dissent. All - under the guise of "Maidan veche" or even insolently. Well, figley, now our power.
                      Then - the ears of British intelligence, in the mess being created, were not visible only to the blind. Now - Instructions for rebellion are issued right at the American Embassy (Americans with Brita sang for a long time and hard).
                      Then, the once-large, successful country has been in ruins for years, those who came to power have no idea of ​​governing the state, only throw themselves with crackling slogans. millions of refugees - doctors \ teachers \ engineers \ military \ intelligentsia.
                      Now - Ukraine is in the ass, the national debt is growing 8% per month, unemployment is 1,5 million per year, The number of refugees in Russia alone has exceeded one and a half lard. The authorities are exactly the same mediocrity, only replaced "Workers of all countries, unite!" on "Ukraine Ponad USE".
                      Only then, in the end, did Stalin shorten them all to the head ...
                      In the modern scenario, the puppeteers took into account the mistakes of the past - now there is no one to kill the Maidan abomination, neither Beria nor Stalin are alive.

                      And there are a lot of such analogies. You still do not see the similarity of the script?
                      1. Erg
                        Erg 13 May 2015 16: 11
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                        117 I take off my hat. The people here do not see the forest for the trees. A simple analysis is sufficient. You just need to familiarize yourself with the generic accessories of the "leaders of the revolution", trace their connections, social circle, sources of funding. There are many paths that lead to Wall Street. And yet - why did trans-national corporations need to hand over power to the people? Land for the peasants? Factory workers? Caring what. People, Look at Ukraine and turn on your brain.
                      2. Vasilich.feo
                        Vasilich.feo 14 May 2015 09: 25
                        0
                        1.5 lard of refugees is you bent. There are not so many in Ukraine.
                    2. Kukish
                      Kukish 12 May 2015 20: 55
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                      Where do you copy this anti-Semitic nonsense from?
                      For a long time already these nonsense have been sorted ..


                      The national composition of the Council of People's Commissars of Soviet Russia is still the subject of speculation.

                      Andrei Dikiy in his work “Jews in Russia and the USSR” claims that the composition of the SNK allegedly was as follows:

                      Council of People's Commissars (Council of People's Commissars, SNK) 1918 g .:
                      Lenin - chairman, Chicherin - foreign affairs, Russian; Lunacharsky - enlightenment, Jew; Dzhugashvili (Stalin) - nationalities, Georgians; Protian - agriculture, Armenian; Larin (Lurie) - Economic Council, Jew; Schlichter - supply, Jew; Trotsky (Bronstein) - army and navy, Jew; Lander - state control, Jew; Kaufman - state property, Jew; V. Schmidt - work, Jew; Lilina (Knigissen) - public health, Jewish woman; Svalbard - cults, Jew; Zinoviev (Apfelbaum) - internal affairs, Jew; Anvelt - hygiene, Jew; Isidor Gukovsky - finance, Jew; Volodarsky - seal, Jew; Uritsky — elections, Jew; I. Steinberg - justice, Jew; Fengstein - refugees, Jew.

                      In total, of the 20-ty of people's commissars - one Russian, one Georgian, one Armenian and 17 Jews.
                      Yuri Emelyanov in his work “Trotsky. Myths and personality ”provides an analysis of this list. The analysis shows that the “Jewish” character of the Council of People's Commissars was obtained through fraud: it was not the first composition of the Council of People's Commissars that was published in the decree of the Second Congress of Soviets, but only those drug commissions that had ever been headed by Jews were pulled out of the many times changing SNK compositions. So, Trotsky L. D., appointed to this post on April 8, 1918, is mentioned as the people's commissar for military and naval affairs, and Schlichter A.G., who really occupied this one, is indicated as the people's commissar for food (here: "supply") fasting, but only until February 25, 1918, by the way, was not a Jew either (Schlichters are Polish landowners of German origin). At the time when Trotsky really became a drug commander, the Great Russian A. Zurup instead of Schlichter had already become
                    3. Kukish
                      Kukish 12 May 2015 20: 55
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                      Another method of fraud is the invention of a number of never existing drug addicts [16]. So, Andrei Dikim in the list of people's commissariats mentioned the never-existent people's commissariats for cults, elections, refugees, and hygiene. Volodarsky is referred to as the People's Commissar of the press; in fact, he was indeed the commissar of the press, propaganda and agitation, but not the people's commissar, a member of the Council of People's Commissars (that is, actually the government), but the commissar of the Union of Northern Communes [17] (regional union of Soviets [18] [19]), an active conductor of the Bolshevik Press Decree [20].

                      And, on the contrary, the list does not contain, for example, the actually existing People’s Commissariat of Railways and the People’s Commissariat of Posts and Telegraphs. As a result, Andrei Dikogo does not even agree on the number of drug addicts: he mentions the number 20, although there were 14 people in the first squad, in 1918 the number was increased to 18.

                      Some posts are indicated with errors. So, the chairman of the Petrosoviet Zinoviev G.E. is mentioned as a people's commissar, although he never held this position. The post and telegraph drug Proshyan (here - “Protian”) is attributed the leadership of “agriculture”.

                      Jewish people are arbitrarily attributed to a number of people, for example, to the Russian nobleman A.V. Lunacharsky, the Estonian Anvelt Y. Ya., Russified Germans Schmidt V.V., Lander K.I., Schlichter A.G. and others.

                      Some individuals are generally fictitious: Spitsberg (possibly referring to the investigator of the VIII liquidation department of the People’s Commissariat, Spitsberg I. A., famous for his aggressive atheistic position [21] [22]), Lilina-Knigissen (possibly referring to actress Lilina M. P ., who never entered the government, or Lilina (Bernstein) Z. I., who was also not a member of the Council of People's Commissars, but who worked as the department of public education at the executive committee of the Petrosoviet), Kaufman (perhaps I mean Cadet A. Kaufman, for some sources, attracted by the Bolsheviks as an expert in the development of land reform, but never included in the Council of People's Commissars).

                      Also on the list are two leftist Social Revolutionaries, whose Bolshevism is not indicated in any way: People's Commissar of Justice I. Steinberg (referred to as “I. Steinberg”) and People's Commissar of Posts and Telegraphs Proshyan P. P., referred to as “Protian Agriculture” . Both politicians reacted extremely negatively to post-October Bolshevik politics. Before the revolution, I. Gukovsky belonged to the Mensheviks-the "liquidators" and assumed the post of People's Commissar of Finance only under the pressure of Lenin.
                      1. vladkavkaz
                        vladkavkaz 12 May 2015 21: 09
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                        Kukish il
                        This nationally preoccupied person, to put it mildly, your opponent, is broadcasting nonsense to the VO, taken from here- "SOURCE:" Lubyanka. The organs of the Cheka - OGPU-NKVD-NKGB-MGB-MVD-KGB. 1917-1991. Directory. Compiled by A.I. Kokurin, NV Petrov. International Fund "Democracy", Moscow. Publishing house of Yale University, USA. Publishing house Materik, Moscow. 2003 ".
                        So surprised such blatant falsehoods not stoit.Takogo junk many vypuskallos ..
                    4. vladkavkaz
                      vladkavkaz 12 May 2015 21: 00
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                      psiho117
                      Are you going to reproduce this nonsense about "government2 at 17 for a long time?
                      How old are you that you still believe in this nonsense?
                      With regards to Ukraine, Ukrainians will deal with this gang there, what have you got to do with it?
                      Opponents of Bolshevism throughout the years of the existence of Soviet power constantly fanned the speculative "national question", which found its concentrated expression in the myth of the "Jew-Bolshevik" government. The only bad thing is that our "fellow nationals" are ready to believe any word of their beloved Fuhrer. And we have to clarify simple elementary truths again and again.

                      Thus, the note of wanting to know the objective information: in the first part of SNK was 15 people. These data are not a great secret - the text of Lenin's "Decree" of 8.11.1917/35/15 with a complete list is easily found in the XNUMX volume of the Complete Works. In the same place, in appendices, there are brief biographies of all the people's commissars. When the author began to analyze the national alignment, an interesting thing was discovered: the national composition of the government was approximately equal to the national composition of the entire Russian state. So, of these XNUMX members were:

                      representatives of the Caucasian peoples (Georgians) - one (I. Dzhugashvili);

                      representatives of Western peoples (Pole) - one (I. Teodorovich);

                      representatives of the Mediterranean peoples (Jew) - one (L. Bronstein);

                      representatives of Little Russia (Ukrainians) - three (P. Dybenko, N. Krylenko, V. Ovseenko).

                      9 people from 15 were Russians. We list them by name:
                      1. vladkavkaz
                        vladkavkaz 12 May 2015 21: 01
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                        9 people from 15 were Russians. We list them by name:

                        People's Commissar of Internal Affairs - Rykov Alexey Ivanovich. Born in 1881 in the family of a peasant in the Vyatka province, Yaran district, and Kukarka settlement. Russian. He studied at Kazan University, expelled for participating in the revolutionary movement, a member of the RSDLP since 1898. He met the 1917 revolution in exile in the Narym Territory.

                        People's Commissar of Agriculture - MILYUTIN Vladimir Pavlovich. Born in 1884 in the village of Tugantsevo, Lgovsky district, Kursk province in the family of a rural teacher. Russian. He studied at the Law Faculty of St. Petersburg University, participated in the roar. movement, member of the RSDLP since 1903. In 1917 he was chairman of the Saratov Council of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies.

                        People's Commissar of Labor - SHLYAPNIKOV Alexander Gavrilovich. Born in 1885 in Murom Believers in the family-Pomerania. Russian (and has anyone heard of Old Believer Jews?). My father worked as a miller, a carpenter, a laborer, mother - the daughter of a miner. “From the very childhood I already got acquainted with religious persecution,” he recalled. Logical continuation: elementary school, work experience from 11 years old, strike movement, roar. circles, member of the RSDLP since 1901, arrests, emigration, work in the French Socialist Party. An active participant in the February Revolution of 1917, a member of the initiative group to create the Petrograd Council.

                        People's Commissar for Trade and Industry - NOGIN Victor Pavlovich. Born in 1878 in Moscow in the family of a clerk. Russian. After graduating from the city school in Kalyazin, Tver province, he worked as a clerk, since 1896 a worker in St. Petersburg, a participant in a roar. circles, party member since 1898. In 1917 he was chairman of the Moscow Council of Workers' Deputies.

                        People's Commissar of Education - Anatoly LUNACHARSKY. Born in 1875 in Poltava in the family of an official. Russian, hereditary nobleman. While studying at the gymnasium, he organized and headed Marxist circles, a party experience since 1895. He studied at the University of Zurich and was engaged in literary work. He is the only one of the first commissars to work for 12 years at his post.

                        People's Commissar of Finance - SKVORTSOV Ivan Ivanovich (pseudonym Stepanov). Born in 1870 in Bogorodsk in the family factory employee. Russian, oddly enough. He graduated from the Moscow Teacher’s Institute and spent almost his entire life working in Moscow, in the Moscow organization of the RSDLP (party experience since 1896). The author of a number of fundamental works on political economy, translator of the works of Marx. Here it is appropriate to recall the characteristic of the English diplomat Colonel R. Robins, given back in 1917: “The first SNK, if based on the number of books written by its members and the languages ​​they speak, was higher in culture and education than any cabinet in the world ". It should be noted that out of 92 people who worked in the Council of People's Commissars in 1917-1918, 51 had higher or incomplete higher education, 18 had secondary or special education.

                        People's Commissar of Justice - OPPOKOV Georgy Ippolitovich (pseudonym Lomov). Born in 1888 in Saratov in a noble family. His father has served as manager of a branch of the State Bank here for over 30 years. Russian. From the age of 13 he participated in circles, a member of the party since 1903. He studied at the Law Faculty of St. Petersburg University, during the Arkhangelsk exile (1911-1913) participated in polar expeditions (to Novaya Zemlya and the Czech Gulf). After October, he was chairman of the Siberian Industry Bureau of the Supreme Economic Council, the Ural Economic Council, and the Donugol Trust.

                        People's Commissar of Posts and Telegraphs - Nikolai Pavilovich AVILOV (pseudonym Glebov). Born in 1887 in the family of a Kaluga shoemaker. Russian. From 12 years he worked in a printing house, since 1904 a member of the RSDLP. He conducted party work in Moscow and the Urals, studied at the Bologna party school. "The February Revolution finds him on the run from the Narym Territory." Later he worked as chairman of the Leningrad Council of Trade Unions.
                      2. vladkavkaz
                        vladkavkaz 12 May 2015 21: 02
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                        As already mentioned above, the military department of the Republic of Soviets was “occupied” by Ukrainians. The Board of the People’s Commissariat for Military and Naval Affairs was composed of:

                        Paul E. DYBENKO. Born in 1889 in a family of hereditary peasants of the village of Lyudkov, Novozybkovsky district, Chernihiv province. As he noted in his autobiography of the mid-1920s, “Mother, father, brother and sister still live in the village of Lyudkov and are engaged in the peasantry.” He graduated from the 4-year-old city school, from 17 years old he worked as a loader in the port, then a sailor. In 1911, he was drafted into the army for participating in strikes and served in the Baltic Fleet. In 1917, the chairman of the Central Balta, an active participant in the October Revolution and the Civil War.

                        KRYLENKO Nikolay Vasilievich - hereditary revolutionary. Born in 1885 in the Sychevsky district of Smolensk province in a family of exiled Ukrainians. He graduated from St. Petersburg University, participated in the student movement, a Bolshevik since 1904. During the First World War he was mobilized in the army, received the rank of ensign. In 1917 he was successively elected chairman of the regiment, division, army committee. In the days of October he was appointed Supreme Commander.

                        OVSEENKO Vladimir Alexandrovich (pseudonym Antonov). Born in 1884 in Chernigov. Father Alexander Anisimovich is a nobleman, lieutenant, then captain of the reserve regiment, a veteran of the Russian-Turkish war, so Vladimir Ovseenko can be considered a hereditary military. After graduating from the Voronezh Cadet Corps, he studied at the Nicholas Military Engineering and the St. Petersburg cadet schools. In 1901 he entered the Warsaw Social-Democrats circle. During the 1st Russian Revolution, as an active participant, he was sentenced to death by the Sevastopol Military Court, but fled. November 7, 1917 personally led the capture of the Winter Palace.

                        And finally, the Presovnarkom Ulyanov Vladimir Ilyich (Lenin). I would like to emphasize that in the aforementioned “Resolution” all the drug commanders are named with their true surnames (pseudonyms are given in brackets), which the author also follows. About Vladimir Ilyich, as the leader of the Bolsheviks, the rumors go the most. Almost a “commonplace” was the assertion that he was of Jewish origin. However, this thesis is not an axiom, but a version. Indeed, there is documentary evidence that his ancestor Alexander Dmitrievich Blank is actually cross-Israel of the Blank. But studies of the Moscow historian M. Bychkova (1993) showed that in the first half of the XNUMXth century, two full namesakes served in St. Petersburg in medical terms - two A.D. Blanca, about the same age. One of them was a truly baptized Jew, and the other came from the Moscow Orthodox merchant family. So, the Russian Form rose to the rank of adviser, which gave the right to hereditary nobility. The Jewish form was not in the civil service, but worked in private hospitals (for example, at the Zlatoust factory), so he did not have this right. As you know, V.I. Ulyanov was a nobleman, therefore, we can definitely assume that his grandfather was Russian A.D. Blank. According to M. Bychkova, at one time the persons of the two Blanks were deliberately mixed by someone. By the way, in the book “Russia in the Darkness”, the famous writer G. Wells noted after a personal conversation that Lenin was “certainly not a Jew”. The modern scientist R. Fischer, the author of the biography of Lenin, well-known in the West (recently translated and published in Moscow in the ZhZL series) wink in his book absolutely does not mention Jewish roots, referring only to Swedish and German. We reject speculation: V.I. Ulyanov, who grew up in the Great Russian cultural environment, was Russian in spirit, language and origin.It is difficult to understand how a quarter of Jewish blood (even if it was, which is problematic) can outweigh ¾ Great Russian.
                      3. vladkavkaz
                        vladkavkaz 12 May 2015 21: 03
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                        In addition to the “Decree”, on November 12, 1917, the world's first woman minister, Kollontai Alexandra Mikhailovna, was appointed the people's commissar of state approval. Born Domontovich, daughter of a general from a noble noble family of Ukrainian origin, dating back to the Pskov princes. She studied at the University of Zurich, in 1906 she joined the RSDLP.

                        From November 19, 1917, the People's Commissar of State Control was ESSEN Eduard Eduardovich, from Russified German barons. Born in 1879 in St. Petersburg, a member of the RSDLP since 1898. In 1917 - chairman of the Vasileostrovsky District Council of Deputies.

                        Two weeks later, several People's Commissars resigned due to disagreement with the political line of Lenin. Their places were taken by:

                        People’s Commissar Petrovsky Grigory Ivanovich. Of the hereditary peasants of the village of Pechenegi in the Kharkov province, Ukrainian. Unlearned for 2 and a half years at school and was expelled due to lack of money for tuition. He worked in a forge, locksmith, then as a turner at the factory, a member of the RSDLP from 1897. He was a deputy of the State Duma of Russia from the workers of the Yekaterinoslav province (1912-1914). After the Revolution, he worked for 20 years as an "All-Ukrainian elder" —the chairman of the Central Executive Committee of the Soviets of the Ukrainian SSR.

                        People's Commissar PODBELSKY Vadim Nikolaevich. Born in 1887 in Yakutia in a family of exiled Narodnaya Volya. Russian. An active participant in the Revolution of 1905, joined the RSDLP, conducted party work in Tambov and Moscow. He died in 1920.

                        People's Commissar of Health SEMASHKO Nikolay Alexandrovich. From the peasants of the Oryol province of the Yelets district of the village of Livenskaya. He studied at the medical faculty of Moscow University, participated in the student movement, was expelled and deported. After graduating from Kazan University, he worked as a doctor, then in exile - Secretary of the Zagranburo of the RSDLP. In 1917 he was chairman of the Zamoskvoretskaya district council in Moscow.

                        The People's Commissariat for Military and Naval Affairs was reorganized. PODVOISKY Nikolay Ilyich, the son of a priest from the village of Kunashovka of the Nezhinsky district of the Chernigov province (became a Jew, really). He studied at the Chernigov Theological Seminary and the Yaroslavl Legal Lyceum, a member of the party since 1901, in 1917 - the head of the Military Organization of the RSDLP and the Military Revolutionary Committee.

                        People's Commissar Proshyan Prosha Perchevich, Armenian. But not a Bolshevik - since 1905 a member of the Socialist Revolutionary Party, in 1917 the Left Socialist Revolutionary. An ardent polemicist, in March 1918 during the Brest debate, resigned, participated in the anti-Bolshevik uprising in July 1918, was outlawed and soon died of typhus.

                        People's Commissar of State Property KARELIN Vladimir Alexandrovich. Born in 1891. Russian, from the nobility, son of a college adviser. Graduated from university, lawyer, journalist. In 1917 he was elected chairman of the Kharkiv City Duma, the left SR.

                        People's Commissar KOLEGAEV Andrey Lukich. Born in Surgut of the Tyumen province in a petty bourgeois family. Russian. Since 1905, a member of the Socialist Revolutionary Party. In exile he studied at the University of Paris. In 1917 he was elected chairman of the Kazan Council of Peasant Deputies. Under his leadership, the collegium of the People’s Commissariat, consisting entirely of Left Socialist Revolutionaries, developed a draft law on the socialization of the land, approved by the 3rd All-Russian Congress of Soviets in 1918.

                        And finally, STEINBERG Isaac Zakharovich. Lawyer with university education, people's commissar of justice from 13.12.1917/18.3.1918/XNUMX to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX. He distinguished himself by releasing a number of prominent anti-Bolshevik figures (V. Burtsev, A. Gotz) from custody on parole. Yes, a Jew, but here is a hitch - he is not a Bolshevik. Steinberg represented the Left Socialist-Revolutionary Party, which was then part of the government coalition with the RSDLP (b). So this example does not in any way support the legitimacy of the term “Jewish Bolsheviks”, which the domestic “nationally concerned” anti-communists have so famously operated on.
                      4. mark7
                        mark7 12 May 2015 22: 06
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                        Quote: vladkavkaz
                        vladkavkaz

                        Very informative, thanks!
                2. Uncle Joe
                  Uncle Joe 12 May 2015 23: 34
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                  Quote: Erg
                  ask to start numbering RI population in 1916, the first year, and then on the 1926 th
                  1913 (Russian Empire without Finland) - 166
                  1920 (January) - 137
                  1926 (January) - 148
                  https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CD%E0%F1%E5%EB%E5%ED%E8%E5_%D1%D1%D1%D0

                  The country was under external control
                  Who drove that? smile
                  1. Erg
                    Erg 13 May 2015 21: 15
                    +1
                    You are with me, dear, ....., on Saturdays, or what? Even a wiki gives a loss of 30 million by the 20th. According to other sources, the figure was more. Who controlled? If schematically - Baruch, Morgan, Rockefellers and other riffraff. Turn on your brains, buddy - without a revolution, what a revolution. I'm tired of beating the wall
                    1. Uncle Joe
                      Uncle Joe 14 May 2015 03: 32
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                      Quote: Erg
                      You are with me, dear
                      Please spare me the hints to their own preferences.

                      Who controlled? If schematically - Baruch, Morgan, Rockefellers and other riffraff.
                      From the 13th to February the 17th (4 years) - the king-father.
                      From March 17th to November 17th (7 months) - Provisional Government.
                      From November 17th to 20th year (2.5 years) - the Soviet government (Bolsheviks, Mensheviks, Socialist Revolutionaries, Cadets, Anarchists), the North-West Government, the Provisional Government of the Northern Region, a Special Conference under the Commander-in-Chief of the All-Union Union of Socialist Republic of Ukraine (it is also the government of Denikin) , the government of Wrangel, and the government of the supreme ruler of Russia Kolchak.

                      Turn on your brain, buddy - without finance, what a revolution
                      Exactly - no impossible.
                      And without help from the rulimy Baruchs, Morgans and Rockefellers of the Entente, to defend the Motherland from a revolution made with the money of the Baruchs, Morganes and Rockefellers - this is generally unrealistic laughing

                      By the way, druzhischsche: I do not hog the ball with anyone and never (did not work), so you have probably with someone confused.
            3. mark7
              mark7 12 May 2015 12: 04
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              Quote: Metallurg
              express nonsense here.

              rude here people are not accepted
              1. vladkavkaz
                vladkavkaz 12 May 2015 21: 52
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                mark7 EN
                The metallurgist and his partner psiho117, in this article are not just rude, they are both brazenly and shamelessly lying.
                1. mark7
                  mark7 12 May 2015 22: 13
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                  Quote: vladkavkaz
                  both brazenly and shamelessly lie

                  I agree, but it’s just out of ignorance, a set of anger and anti-Semitism, although I think if they discard the malice, then it will be put off in the head
                2. psiho117
                  psiho117 12 May 2015 23: 00
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                  Quote: vladkavkaz
                  With regards to Ukraine, Ukrainians will deal with this gang there, what have you got to do with it?

                  unfortunately (or fortunately) fate was destined for me to be born on the long-suffering Donbass land, I was born here, I live and God will die,
                  And my wife is Donetsk woman and children; no one from his hometown to Russia fled, We live here, we work, we raise children.
                  So for me this whole predatory pack of Jews, feasting on the body of Ukraine, has very much to do with it.
                  But you can continue to accuse me of frenzied anti-Semitism, you must be more visible from your place, of course, hi

                  Py.Sy. Eh, I refused to argue on political topics, especially on forums ...
                  1. vladkavkaz
                    vladkavkaz 13 May 2015 10: 03
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                    psycho117 (
                    Do not argue that what you present here in your comments has long been rotten, rotten, disassembled and understandable, a lie.
                    Therefore, do not argue on poliothemes, especially after your long-term dying of Ukrainian propaganda, that everything was bad in the USSR, and even worse in RI for the Ruin.
            4. Amurskiy
              Amurskiy 13 May 2015 03: 08
              +3
              After all, we had not only the Russian Empire, but also the Soviet Union of the Socialist Republics, the creation of which V.I. Lenin was involved in, and there was power in this union, the working people, and that our people lost from the collapse of this union and Soviet power, we now see. Pro-American liberals have disobeyed, and have ruined such a country !!! Apparently, Comrade Stalin didn’t destroy the liberal brat all the same. And now he has come out of all the holes and gnawing at the remnants of the former country like a locust of construction. Maybe there’s someone who applies to these bark beetles appropriate means to neutralize them.
        2. Zverboy
          Zverboy 12 May 2015 09: 49
          +16
          Over the thousand-year history of Russia, not one of the rulers of the country has done so much harm to it as Lenin, a bloody genius.

          Yes, even for the fact that he annexed most of the present territory to Ukraine, we should remember him almost every day and in every office his portraits should hang, but there is no "kovavy genius".
        3. NordUral
          NordUral 12 May 2015 10: 11
          +11
          You don’t have to go far — Yeltsin and Gorbachev, that’s who created what you ascribe to Lenin.
        4. perm23
          perm23 12 May 2015 12: 09
          +4
          Do not write like this if you do not know. Do not show yourself stupid. And the most important thing is our story and we must treat it with respect, and not like that, Lenin did something and did it. That's right, it's not for us to judge now, sitting at a computer in 2015, and not a farm laborer or a worker in 1917.
          1. Maks111
            Maks111 12 May 2015 13: 25
            +1
            or worker in 1917 year
            In terms of current money, workers then received more than current money. And on January 1 of 1905 of the year, RI occupied 5 place in terms of living standards.
        5. Erg
          Erg 12 May 2015 16: 21
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          GOR_ And that's the true truth. None of the minus you will name another "record holder" in this part hi
      4. andj61
        andj61 12 May 2015 09: 26
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        Quote: Max111
        Excuse me, please, but there are documents confirming that Lenin met with a German Kaiser before arriving in RI. In general, Lenin is a rather ambiguous person in the history of our country and there is no need to provoke the people into a new civil war.

        Lenin simply did not have time to get out of the sealed carriage and meet with the Kaiser. Or do you think that the Kaiser came to the station specially for the train following this train? lol At the beginning of the 17th year, Lenin was one of many leaders of a rather radical, but not the only wing of the Russian Social Democrats, and not at all the political figure with whom the emperor of Germany could meet.
        And about the ambiguity of Lenin - and which of our leaders was an unambiguous figure in general?
        This is all our stories, and history should be treated with dignity and dignity so that they don’t say that Russia is a country with an unpredictable past.
        1. CONTROL
          CONTROL 12 May 2015 12: 56
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          ... by the way: according to the recollections of his contemporaries, the "emperor of Germany" - the Kaiser, was a rather democratic person; version of Peter the Great-light ... or Alexander the 1st ... also "super-light".
        2. Maks111
          Maks111 12 May 2015 13: 27
          +1
          Lenin simply did not have time to get out of the sealed wagon and meet with the Kaiser
          Documents show what time it was. You see, DOCUMENTS. Namely, the reports of the French intelligence officers to their homeland. What shishas did they make a revolution for? Or do you think that on the Independence Square people stood for their own?
      5. Dr. Livesey
        Dr. Livesey 12 May 2015 09: 38
        +24
        Quote: Max111
        Excuse me, please, but there are documents confirming that Lenin met a German Kaiser before arriving in RI.


        AND....? And you don’t want to remember about the Russian autocrats ?!
        Princess Sophia-Frederica-Augusta of Anhalt-Zerbst - Catherine the Great, her husband - Prince Karl Peter Ulrich of Holstein-Gottorp (Peter 3). Their son Pavel 1 "met" Sophia-Maria-Dorothea-Augusta-Louise of Württemberg (Maria Fedorovna). They had 2 sons, the future emperors Alexander 1 and Nicholas 1. After the "meetings" of Nicholas 1 with the eldest daughter of the Prussian king Frederick Wilhelm II Frederica Louise Charlotte Wilhelmina (Alexandra Feodorovna), Alexander 2 was born. The Tsar-Liberator married Princess Maximilian-Wilhelmina- August-Sophie-Ma
        Hesse-Darmstadt Rie (Maria Alexandrovna). Their son Alexander 3 married the daughter of King Christian IX to Dagmar of Denmark (Maria Fedorovna). Well, about the fact that the wife of the last Russian emperor Nicholas 2, Alexandra Fedorovna, nee Victoria Alisa Elena Louise Beatrice of Hesse-Darmstadt, you probably know yourself. By God, against this background, the meeting of Lenin with the German Kaiser looks very pale. laughing Putin periodically meets with Poroshenko and even shakes his hand. Personally, I hate it, so what ?! We think that it is necessary ...
        Quote: Max111
        In general, Lenin is a rather ambiguous personality in the history of our country.

        Do you know quite unequivocal rulers in the history of Russia ?! request
        1. Kilo-11
          Kilo-11 12 May 2015 10: 06
          -6
          Yes, the Romanovs are very strong, if I may say so, intermarried with members of various German reigning houses and not only reigning ones. But none of the representatives of the Romanovs house during the years of World War I did not trade in their homeland and did not enter into separate negotiations with the enemy, unlike from Mr. Ulyanov-Lenin himself and representatives of his party. In my opinion, Mr. Ulyanov-Lenin is a trivial spy of the German General Staff, to whom we have monuments at every turn, it is not known for what and for what merits.
          1. saag
            saag 12 May 2015 12: 04
            +14
            Quote: Kilo-11
            Because we have monuments at every turn, it is not known for what and for what merits.

            Enlightenment, monuments to V.I. Lenin is supported by the creation of a state of workers and peasants, where a working man was the pillar of the state and the emphasis was placed on him - a working man, a state where social justice was not empty words, free education and health care, the fight against the criminal element, where there were more than 10000 for theft rubles or 15 years, or leaning, the state that defeated everyone in wars, the first to go into space, where society was given a goal and a guideline for development, tell me, is there anything like that now?
            1. mark7
              mark7 12 May 2015 12: 15
              +7
              Quote: saag
              Enlightenment, monuments to V.I. Lenin is supported by the creation of a state of workers and peasants, where a working man was the pillar of the state and the emphasis was placed on him - a working man, a state where social justice was not empty words, free education and health care, the fight against the criminal element, where there were more than 10000 for theft rubles or 15 years, or leaning, the state that defeated everyone in wars, the first to go into space, where society was given a goal and a guideline for development, tell me, is there anything like that now?

              I agree to all 100%
            2. Erg
              Erg 12 May 2015 17: 12
              +2
              I personally specifically divide the time of Lenin and the time of Stalin. Here many, I see, do not find the difference. And, let's be honest, the slogan "land to the peasants, factories to workers" ... And what did you get? The article of the Criminal Code on parasitism and serfs without passports ... Just thoughts.
              1. vladkavkaz
                vladkavkaz 12 May 2015 17: 34
                -1
                ErgSU

                ... "I personally specifically divide the time of Lenin and the time of Stalin. Here many, I see, do not find a difference. And, let's be honest, the slogan" land for the peasants, factories for the workers "... And what did you get? Article of the Criminal Code on parasitism and serfs without passports ... Just thoughts. "- Simple, STUPID ..
            3. Kilo-11
              Kilo-11 12 May 2015 21: 04
              -3
              Dear saag, thank you for "enlightening", I didn't know who Count Ulyanov-Lenin was from the point of view of the official history of the Bolshevik / Communist Party. Only the foundations of the state of workers and peasants were created by Count Ulyanov-Lenin with the help of the German government and with money of this government, in other words, becoming a traitor to your country. So it's time to probably realize and accept, and therefore it's time to get rid of this memorable Leninist legacy. By the way, the state about which you write - "... social justice were not empty words ... "and so on, he began to create, develop and strengthen not the Ulyanov-Lenin group, but Comrade IV Stalin. You, as an admirer of Ulyanov-Lenin, should probably know that from somewhere in the middle of 1923. Count Ulyanov-Lenin no longer took any part in government work, "grandfather Lenin" was no longer curable. And one more question for you why, in the 30s, Comrade JV Stalin let him go under the knife in the first turn of representatives of the so-called "Leninist guard", but please, think about it not from the point of view of the official history of the Bolshevik party. Members of the "Leninist guard" - Trotsky-Bronstein, Kamenev-Rosenfeld, Bukharin, Zinoviev and other citizens.
          2. CONTROL
            CONTROL 12 May 2015 12: 59
            +1
            if you really want to dig into history - try to figure it out with Parvus! This "journalist" tried to play the card of the RSDLP ... and how it happened, it happened! it seems that he was played, not he ... This is evidenced by the shock from the October Revolution experienced by all of Europe!
          3. asher
            asher 12 May 2015 18: 06
            0
            bad you know representatives of this house
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        3. fomkin
          fomkin 12 May 2015 11: 47
          +1
          Dr. Livesey !, I take off my hat to you.
      6. igor.borov775
        igor.borov775 12 May 2015 10: 38
        +21
        Hey. Of course, Lenin was a spy. Wait a little and we will find out after how many spies we have on top. It was he who organized the war with Japan in 1905 with his comrades. He also organized a grand war in 1915. You did not know, it’s bad. Read more historical opuses written there on the shining west. Speaking of those tragic events. The war in 1905 and 1915 showed all the squalor of the State Machine of the Russian Empire. These are not just words, these are facts, but it’s impossible to kill them. But you just don’t advertise them and everything will be tip-top. Sit enjoy the rights that the law, before it was decrees that were adopted in those terrible years without even thinking about pouring water on the past. The countries of ANTANTA contemptuously called our country a STEAM SKATER. Have you ever wondered why? Bad means you know that cute Empire called Russian. Compared to all indicators with these countries, we were deep below them. Although now the facts are stubbornly whitewashing the Empire. It’s not even interesting to read this opus. This Revolution equalized everyone by law. Everyone is equal before the law, regardless of skin color and gender, different beliefs and religions. In the first in the world, only women who came to us got equal rights. And YOU did not know badly. And in 1922, free training and higher education. Paid leave and free birth, kindergartens for all children, and medical care for the entire population. This is why the allies and enemies were so excited against New Russia. Well, of course, the first decree and the equality of all. All true Democracies instantly declared a crusade against our country. They did not know badly. They all had colonies and no one knew about their rights. For 500 years, they settled in the colonies, and then such a blow. It was then that we became the most important enemies. And we stood our ground and went our own way. And when years later our soldiers hoisted the Victory Banner over Berlin for the ruling elite of Western countries (democracies) became a horror. They well understood, the colonies end. There is a bright star of the USSR for them as a guide in the struggle for freedom. So for that we destroyed them to love us. And finally, it’s bad here for those who were at the parade. The Indians fought then against Japan and the Nazis and not only they but a lot of Africans and many others. You need to know the history
        1. andj61
          andj61 12 May 2015 12: 02
          +3
          Quote: igor.borov775
          The war in 1905 and in 1915 showed all the squalor of the State machine of the Russian Empire.

          I fully support you, only the Russo-Japanese war began in 1904, and the First World War - in 1914. Calling them the Wars of 1905 and 1915, respectively, is still incorrect.
        2. Kilo-11
          Kilo-11 12 May 2015 12: 19
          +5
          Igor, if your comment is addressed to me personally, then I would ask you not to teach me history. Once again about Mr. Ulyanov-Lenin. What can you call a person and the group of people he leads or an organization that at the moment when our country is at war with the outside enemy, at that time with Germany, enters into relations with this external enemy, receives various assistance from this enemy, acts in the interests of this enemy, with the aim of overthrowing the existing system, collapsing the state and, to some extent, satisfying his personal ambitions? look the name of such people is the same - traitors. And there is no excuse for Mr. Ulyanov-Lenin and his associates, your passage about the Banner of Victory over Berlin, in the context of this exchange of views, I think is not appropriate. Any relationship with an external enemy, and even more so in war conditions, there is treachery. With such success, may it be time to begin to justify the traitor Vlasov? Perhaps it was more correct to wait until the end of the war with Germany, and then make a "revolution"? Maybe it would be more honest and correct?
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 12 May 2015 14: 51
            +5
            Quote: Kilo-11
            Once again about Mr. Ulyanov-Lenin. What can you call a person and a group of people headed by him or an organization that, at the moment when our country is at war with an external enemy, at that time with Germany, enters into relations with this external enemy, accepts from this various assistance to the enemy, acts in the interests of this enemy, with the aim of overthrowing the existing system, the collapse of the state and to some extent the satisfaction of their personal ambitions?

            And it depends on who will call this person. smile
            For example, one of the leaders of the White movement did the same. And nothing - then no one said a word to him ... and still, some people consider him a patriot of Russia.
        3. plebs
          plebs 12 May 2015 17: 39
          +2
          There is a bright star of the USSR
          Now it has gone out and we have the bombing democracy of the West. And in general, what is happening in the world now is a direct result of the collapse of the USSR by the party elite of the CPSU.
      7. Old old
        Old old 13 May 2015 00: 55
        +4
        ... and there is no need to provoke the people into a new civil war.

        Those. nibbling the history of the USSR - is this the ultimate truth, and not those who agree with dousing - are they provoking a civil war?
      8. Amurskiy
        Amurskiy 13 May 2015 02: 47
        0
        You personally read them, or they say ...
      9. Vasek
        Vasek 13 May 2015 18: 25
        0
        Quote: Max111
        Lenin is a rather ambiguous person in the history of our country and there is no need to provoke the people into a new civil war.

        "Ambiguous personality" automatically implies definitely not negative, as well as definitely not positive.
        A philosopher and economist, he was uniquely strong.
        And in general, "provoke" after 3 "o" is written.
    4. Maks111
      Maks111 12 May 2015 08: 19
      +29
      Guys, didn’t I like the direction alone? Because Boomerang accidentally fell into the frame, BMPs based on Almaty were also briefly shown.
      1. Alex_on
        Alex_on 12 May 2015 09: 02
        +25
        Not for you alone.
        Send the broadcast director to drill for a couple of hours!
        Half of the parade stubbornly showed a conversation between the GDP and the Chinese leader !!!
        1. one
          one 12 May 2015 09: 34
          +18
          Quote: Alex_on
          Not for you alone.
          Send the broadcast director to drill for a couple of hours!
          Half of the parade stubbornly showed a conversation between the GDP and the Chinese leader !!!

          Yes. filthy filmed. more suitable for pop concerts.
          a too frequent change of frames that does not allow to see anything well, causing eye fatigue and creating the impression that they did not pass, but galloped.
          Incorrect shooting angle.
          and why they showed us the belly, etc. horses? wassat
          What, mixed up the parade with a veterinary examination?
          I would like to find out which of the high-ranking officials is capable of "intelligibly" explaining to these "creative" specialists that the PARADE is an EVENT, not a show !!!
        2. aviator65
          aviator65 12 May 2015 09: 36
          +7
          Yes, the directing was not very ... They were carried away by the flights of the camera over the city center and the views from under the feet of the marching. As a result, the overall picture is somehow blurry. Still, you need to make a distinction between showing a pop show and a solemn procession. Yes, and the leader could try to make less reservations in the comments. And so, really, grandiose everything went.
          1. Kilo-11
            Kilo-11 12 May 2015 10: 45
            +25
            The direction was extremely bad, and not that not very bad. To all the above mistakes I would add not the coincidence of the text with the picture, in the Soviet years this was not even close. The parade itself is generally not bad, but on T-34-85 machines and SU-100, modern stars and guards ribbons were somehow out of place, there should have been a Soviet sign "Guard", tactical signs that Soviet tank crews used during the Second World War, in the end, it was possible to write on the towers and wheelhouses- "For Motherland ", etc. The periodically appearing frame with our guarantor of the Constitution and the Chinese leader annoyed, and was simply not appropriate. For example, I was absolutely not interested in who Mr. Putin was sitting on the podium with and what he was doing there. where were the other 29 leaders of the countries of the world who came to the celebrations, why were they not on the central rostrum? It somehow did not look good towards them that our guarantor of the Constitution put only the Chinese leader next to him. All these cries were irritating and annoying. our repo Rter propagandists on the topic of who came and who did not come from the foreign leaders to the celebrations in honor of Victory Day. They did not come and did not come, to hell with them, Comrade I. Stalin in 1945. I was not going to invite anyone to the Victory Parade, because first of all it is our Victory. The main thing is that we always remember, celebrate and celebrate this Day of the Great Victory in the Great War.
            1. CONTROL
              CONTROL 12 May 2015 13: 06
              +3
              come on ... directing! TV people have just lost the habit of covering such events! more and more "euro-vision", yes "summits" ...
        3. Corsair
          Corsair 12 May 2015 10: 19
          +5
          Quote: Alex_on
          Half of the parade stubbornly showed a conversation between the GDP and the Chinese leader !!!

          This part of the parade is apparently intended purely for the EU and the USA, you’re like stinging there in your Poland, Germany and Afro-America, and here we are talking for peace.
          Of course, tear off the hands of the operator or the person responsible for switching cameras.
    5. diz1975
      diz1975 12 May 2015 08: 24
      +16
      The mausoleum is already history, it needs to be preserved. The parade of 1941. Parade 1945. The mausoleum is an important part of these parades and less important but still part of today's Parade 2015.
      Let the body of Lenin be buried in peace and the mausoleum as part of the history of the USSR will remain.
      1. ASK505
        ASK505 12 May 2015 13: 00
        +1
        You just need to break everything in the country, the perestroika are restless, i.e. pour water into the mill of our sworn "friends" behind a deep puddle. Leave Lenin's ashes alone. Lenin and the Mausoleum are inseparable concepts. All of us put together here are not worth his genius.
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    7. avdkrd
      avdkrd 12 May 2015 09: 45
      0
      Quote: vsoltan
      I wonder how long they will bashfully drape the mausoleum? This is also our story.

      Nevertheless, the mausoleum is a grave, although of course historical.
      1. mark7
        mark7 12 May 2015 12: 26
        +2
        Quote: avdkrd
        Nevertheless, the mausoleum is a grave, although of course historical.

        This is the same monument of our history
        1. Alnair
          Alnair 12 May 2015 13: 00
          0
          Nifiga you wrote here, comrades! O_O

          For some reason, they slipped into a discussion of the role of Lenin and other people in history ...

          At the same time, they missed the main question - is it necessary or not for our state to keep the dead body of anyone on the central square of the country.

          Given the powerful national upsurge, positively emotionally charged for the bright and the new, I think that it is not necessary. It is necessary to bury Lenin in the ground, on the territory of the Kremlin, and put on top some powerful, majestic monument.
      2. ARS56
        ARS56 12 May 2015 16: 10
        +1
        There is still a burial place in the Kremlin wall. Drape the wall too? Why pick holes in the history of the country? The drapery of the mausoleum is a gesture showing the attitude of ... only whom? We will not all a priori ascribe to Putin.
        And Putin and C were correctly shown.
        And the Victory Parade is magnificent.
        At the parade all of their own. Allies. Friends.
        Enemies remained in their den.
    8. user
      user 12 May 2015 10: 05
      +12
      Although I’m sure the mourners will come out now,


      I didn’t want to, but I will express my point of view.
      Why is the Victory Parade (exactly with a capital letter) take sitting on chairs. Well, guests and veterans, we will give a discount on the president and others like him, but how to evaluate the Minister of Defense hosting the parade while sitting is not respect for those who are in the ranks, a new point of view on the Charter of the military service, or simply because he is not a military man ?
      I would like to hope for the latter.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 12 May 2015 14: 55
        +1
        Quote: user
        Why is the Victory Parade (exactly with a capital letter) take sitting on chairs. Well, guests and veterans, we will give a discount on the president and others like him, but how to evaluate the Minister of Defense hosting the parade while sitting is not respect for those who are in the ranks, a new point of view on the Charter of the military service, or simply because he is not a military man ?

        EMNIP sitting took only hits technology. When passing the boxes, everyone stood.
    9. Johnryder
      Johnryder 12 May 2015 11: 41
      +13
      I agree, the mausoleum looked stupid in blue and white, but white stars on the St. George (guards) tape were even more stupid. Surely Uncle X was surprised. If you really wanted to show a new symbol, you could use this option.
      By the way, was the aircraft with the red stars - pleased - did the pilots sabotage?
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 12 May 2015 15: 00
        +6
        Quote: JohnRyder
        By the way, was the aircraft with the red stars - pleased - did the pilots sabotage?

        So the three-color star did not take root at the Air Force - and in 2013 they returned the old identification marks:
    10. twin22
      twin22 12 May 2015 12: 05
      +1
      vsoltan
      I wonder how long they will bashfully drape the mausoleum? This is also our story.


      What did you want from these Kremlin plebeians? They are embarrassed by their faces in the mirror in the morning :)
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    12. ASK505
      ASK505 12 May 2015 12: 49
      +5
      Stalin took the brunt of the responsibility for the fate of the country, when all of Europe, under Hitler’s banners, set off for the next Crusade to the Russian World. We are all lucky today that then this great man stood at the head of state. He was the Supreme Commander of the Red Army and was directly involved in the design of all operations. By right, he was the leader and teacher of the whole nation. Not a portrait, not a word. This is the same as saying and celebrating the passage through the Alps or the taking of the impregnable fortress of Izmail and bashfully being silent about Suvorov. It should not be so.
      1. Stelth1985
        Stelth1985 13 May 2015 04: 41
        +1
        I am glad that there are people who are very well aware of these things. I’m trumpeting about this already. God knows how much.

        For the Honor and Glory of the ancestors!
    13. Alnair
      Alnair 12 May 2015 12: 51
      +2
      Quite a dumb, contradictory and unpleasant page in our history.

      In fact, in isolation from any political issues and disputes, the idea of ​​holding the dead body of a state leader in a mausoleum in the center of the capital for almost a century looks frankly creepy. Especially against the background of the national idea of ​​the triumph of scientific progress, which was in the USSR, and now too.
      1. Stelth1985
        Stelth1985 13 May 2015 04: 43
        -1
        Do not worry. It lies until the 2017th. After, they will take it out, and the Mausoleum will be dismantled.
    14. DEfindER
      DEfindER 13 May 2015 15: 46
      +1
      Quote: vsoltan
      how long will the mausoleum be bashfully draped? This is also our story.

      The Mausoleum is our great story, but it’s still History, I wouldn’t close it either, but the country's leadership should not be on the rostrum of the Mausoleum, but in its new place, a new Russia. And the place of the communist leadership of the country, let it remain for history, as a symbol of the greatest achievements that we must ever surpass.
      1. Stelth1985
        Stelth1985 25 September 2015 04: 35
        0
        Do not confuse the mausoleum and the satanic buildings that stand at certain points in the country and the planet. It must be removed for reasons of impact on the country of evil. You think, the tomb in the central square of the country is !!! Nowhere in the world has this ever been and never is!

        FOR THE HONOR AND GLORY OF ANCESTORS!
    15. echomenkov
      echomenkov 13 May 2015 19: 48
      0
      History is history, but whatever you may say, the mausoleum is a crypt, a grave ... And from this - it’s somehow uncomfortable ... Vladimir Ilyich was still a baptized man - he really didn’t deserve peace ...
  2. zurbagan63
    zurbagan63 12 May 2015 07: 55
    +9
    Armor is strong, and our tanks are fast,
    And our people are full of courage:
    And there’s nothing to add! soldier
  3. Pal2004
    Pal2004 12 May 2015 07: 57
    +14
    I agree with the author, it was a landmark parade ... For a long time we will remember and revise.
    1. vlad_m
      vlad_m 12 May 2015 08: 15
      +28
      The world has split. Sign parade! On the parade ground are the allies. In the stands - like-minded people.
      Those who did not accept the invitation to the Victory Parade are not "our people"!
      The idea came up after watching the parade that those who passed in parade columns across Washington passed through the square ... God forgive me ...
      1. 41 REGION
        41 REGION 12 May 2015 08: 29
        +2
        Quote: vlad_m
        The world has split. Sign parade! On the parade ground are the allies. In the stands - like-minded people.
        Those who did not accept the invitation to the Victory Parade are not "our people"!

        Those who did not accept the invitation watched on TV and choked on their saliva. wink
      2. hydrox
        hydrox 12 May 2015 08: 36
        +6
        Quote: vlad_m
        who will parade across Washington

        Do we need this?
        I would refrain from sending guys to stomp radioactive ashes ...
        Or do you still think that myrikos has been given a head in order to keep brains in it?
        They eat it! laughing
      3. Jan Krumins
        Jan Krumins 12 May 2015 08: 39
        +5
        In Hitler's troops there were divisions from almost all European countries .. And there is no need to talk about the "brothers" of the Ukrainians - the fascists have heard a lot ...
        1. ASK505
          ASK505 12 May 2015 13: 04
          -1
          I read somewhere that about 600 Ukrainians dressed in German uniforms and fought against us on the side of Germany.
          1. goose
            goose 12 May 2015 16: 27
            +1
            And I read demographic studies based on census data for 1940-1946. to different countries. Interesting information was obtained for the USSR: the decline in the male population of draft age during the war period 1941-45. between the ages of 18 and 39 years amounted to 6 million people.

            I would like to look into the eyes of the people who are shouting "filled with meat", we lost 27-45 million soldiers.
            1. Uncle Joe
              Uncle Joe 12 May 2015 23: 47
              +2
              Quote: goose
              I would like to look into the eyes of the people who are shouting "filled with meat", we lost 27-45 million soldiers.
              27 - this is the total loss, the combat order of 8.
              1. Vladimir73
                Vladimir73 13 May 2015 21: 16
                +1
                Quote: Uncle Joe
                27 - this is the total loss, the combat order of 8.


                I will supplement you a little. These combat losses are comparable to German ones. This is in the "garden" of those who claim that "... they were filled with corpses"
      4. Ilya22558
        Ilya22558 12 May 2015 11: 11
        +1
        I had this association when the Victory Banner was carried out under the "Holy War":
        "Get up, huge country
        Rise to mortal combat ... "
  4. altman
    altman 12 May 2015 07: 57
    +18
    Let's just say that the Americans and the British became our allies in World War II by the will of circumstances. And it is not known how history would have turned in other situations, maybe they would have bombed us, like the Nazis. Involuntarily friends, let’s say so. So this parade was attended by countries that really support Russia, which are actually our friends, who did not leave us in difficult times of the war and the current sanctions.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 12 May 2015 08: 04
      +7
      Do not let the circumstances. They were afraid to be late for the pie section. Cossacks could come to Paris again
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 12 May 2015 08: 43
        +9
        Quote: Balu
        Do not let the circumstances. They were afraid to be late for the pie section. Cossacks could come to Paris again

        no, you’re wrong. The only force that could break and destroy the Third Reich’s car was the USSR. And asking himself the question: “WHAT WAS IT IF IF THE SOVIET UNION DID NOT STAND? You will come to the conclusion that they were afraid of something else, not to be late but to become next if the USSR falls.
        And no one else could break the Third Reich.
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 12 May 2015 10: 31
          +5
          Quote: NEXUS
          And what would happen if the Soviet Union did not stand? You will come to the conclusion that they were afraid of something else, not to be late but to become next if the USSR falls.

          If you were so afraid - why did you wait 3 years? It seems to me that they were deciding all this time for whom to speak for - this is the only reason, and naturally "Roman tactics" of two enemies help the weak, they just did not expect that the USSR would accelerate so much that they would not slow down any injections into the German army, because our grandfathers would have defeated the Germans and without any help from the "allies" (lend-lease, "second front"), simply the losses would have been greater.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 12 May 2015 11: 13
            +2
            Quote: Corsair
            If you were so afraid - what did 3 wait for years?

            for the West, the USSR and Germany were EVIL, only the Third Reich was a great evil.
            Quote: Corsair
            after all, our grandfathers would have defeated the Germans without any help from the "allies" (lend-lease, "second front"), simply the losses would have been greater.

            "help" was not gratuitous. It was pure business, not help. For lend-lease and American stew, the USSR paid in GOLD and with interest. And the aid of the West of the USSR was only 10% of all that the Union itself produced during the Second World War.
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 12 May 2015 13: 46
              +1
              Quote: NEXUS
              "help" was not gratuitous. It was pure business, not help. For lend-lease and American stew, the USSR paid in GOLD and with interest. And the aid of the West of the USSR was only 10% of all that the Union itself produced during the Second World War.

              Yes, it’s clear that everything is not free, but what did the Third Reich prevent from the USA? unless the thirst for profit and technology frightened, the USSR turned this infernal machine back and began to crush - and these 25 countries sat on the priest without any particular defeat and suffering, no one tried to hit the German troops towards our army.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 12 May 2015 14: 11
                +1
                Quote: Corsair
                Yes, it’s clear that everything is not free, but what did the Third Reich interfere with with the USA?

                On the contrary, the USA, after the defeat of the USSR, would have prevented the Third Reich from its world hegemony.
                A simple example is the current ... how does Russia interfere with the United States? If you answer this question for yourself, then you will understand that the Third Reich would not stop at the defeat of the USSR.
        2. kit_bellew
          kit_bellew 12 May 2015 11: 59
          +6
          Quote: NEXUS
          they were afraid of something else, not to be late but to become next if the USSR fell.

          Well, suppose they would not become next, at least the Yankees.
          The Third Reich was conceived, created and acquired its military and industrial potential precisely due to the huge injections of Jewish (!) Overseas gold into the German economy. With one single goal: to involve him in a war against the USSR and completely bleed two of the strongest states of the Old World, two powerful peoples beyond the control of the financial tycoons of the West. Until the opening of the second front, Standard Oil was supplying oil and oil products to the Reich. The Americans, as in the First World War, profited well from trade with all the warring parties. Well, when it became clear that the Reich was going to the bottom, then they pulled themselves together so that, as they correctly wrote above, not to miss their piece. And they didn’t miss it. And eternal memory to J.V. Stalin for not agreeing with the post-war restoration of the USSR and the territories under its control according to the Marshall plan, otherwise we would have already been economically dependent on the Western financial system. For whole forty six years tryndets was delayed. Only forty-six - no one then, of course, could have imagined what would begin in the country during the late Brezhnev and Gorbachev and what it would lead to.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 12 May 2015 14: 15
            0
            Quote: kit_bellew
            Well, suppose they would not become next, at least the Yankees.

            but what do you say! Is it nothing that England fought with Germany? The Anglo-Saxons were not at all eager to lose this war. They were afraid, and this is in Churchill's memoirs that Stalin would unite with Hitler.
    2. Performance
      Performance 12 May 2015 09: 15
      +5
      On the subject of thinking about the Victory Parade and the Americans, I have the opinion that the United States is simply envious, and seriously, to the point of insanity - they envy us!

      They envy our Parade - after all, patriotism and the army, as they believe, are now only their "strong point", their world monopoly, but nothing like that shines for them, they can only dream of such a Parade and they are choked with envy and a toad !!!

      And yet - in the city these days there are just a huge number of foreigners who wanted, and who is with us, he came.
  5. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 12 May 2015 08: 02
    +1
    From how they took the parade and reported to the Supreme.

    This year, too, the greeting of Shoigu by position, and not by military rank, was cut. Type of health I wish, comrade interim acting chief of a clothing store. And sitting while giving a military salutation is simply uncivilized. I remembered the sick general secretary again.
    Well, there are no words about the parade itself. Superb and powerful, worthy of a great country.
    1. bolat19640303
      bolat19640303 12 May 2015 08: 52
      +21
      Quote: Michael m
      From how they took the parade and reported to the Supreme.

      This year, too, the greeting of Shoigu by position, and not by military rank, was cut. Type of health I wish, comrade interim acting chief of a clothing store. And sitting while giving a military salutation is simply uncivilized. I remembered the sick general secretary again.
      Well, there are no words about the parade itself. Superb and powerful, worthy of a great country.


      We were young lieutenants who got to the international exercises "Druzhba" immediately after school and were introduced to the commander of the SGV. He shook hands with everyone with the words "Hello comrade lieutenant." And we all answered him, "I wish you good health, Comrade Lieutenant General." To which he told us all: "Remember there are many generals, but the commander is one." So the greeting from the Minister of Defense is correct.
      1. Mikhail m
        Mikhail m 12 May 2015 10: 24
        +4
        43. A military salutation is the embodiment of comradely unity of servicemen, a certificate mutual respect and common culture. All servicemen are obliged to welcome (overtake) to welcome each otherstrictly observing the rules established by the combatant charter of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Subordinates and juniors in military rank are the first to greet, and in an equal position the first is greeted by one who considers himself to be more polite and well-mannered.

        54. To the greeting of the chief or senior (“Hello, comrades”), all servicemen who are in the ranks or out of order answer: “We wish you good health”; if the boss or senior says goodbye ("Goodbye, comrades"), then the military personnel answer: "Goodbye." At the end of the answer, the word “comrade” and military rank are added without indicating the type of troops or service.

        If you find somewhere in the Charters you will find a link to the exclusion of ministers and commanders from the rule, tell me, be so kind.
    2. Alnair
      Alnair 12 May 2015 13: 03
      0
      God, who cares who greeted anyone? Perhaps, with fear, a man forgot what to say? These are all formalities.

      The main thing is that our army is working efficiently, skillfully acting and rapidly rearming. That's where the point is.
  6. Zomanus
    Zomanus 12 May 2015 08: 03
    +3
    All is correctly said. There was a parade of the Armed Forces of Russia and the allies. Actually, it was shown who is with us, and the rest turns out ... as usual.
  7. ltc22A
    ltc22A 12 May 2015 08: 03
    +5
    I’ll add from myself: not only those who walked on the cobblestones of Red Square, but also those who walked in all the cities of Russia watching (if they themselves cannot participate) the main Parade. Under the civilian Minister of Defense - sobidy and indignation for what they do with the armed forces. At the present, with pride.
    1. Alnair
      Alnair 12 May 2015 13: 05
      0
      I think that the "civilian minister" was needed to carry out some unpleasant, painful, but necessary reforms and become a "scapegoat". This is standard practice.
      1. rapid1934
        rapid1934 12 May 2015 20: 12
        0
        Quote: Alnair
        I think the "civil minister" was needed

        Did you mean Serdyukov? request
  8. Ivan Slavic
    Ivan Slavic 12 May 2015 08: 04
    +1
    The parade was a 100% success. The direction was not very good, but "there" and so everyone understood and imbued. I hope they will be more modest in their deeds and unrealizable hopes.
  9. Metallurgist
    Metallurgist 12 May 2015 08: 07
    +19
    Gentlemen, what are we talking about?
    The parade took place. The parade showed who is who in the current political situation.
    Yes, both Mongols and Chinese and Indians were in service. Yes, many former republics were also present.
    Those who considered it necessary accepted the invitation and flew to the celebration of the Great Victory.
    But life goes on.
    And those who maliciously hissed before our holiday, now again continue to hiss.
    So you have to work again work and work.
    Journalists of non-living media have already climbed out, spitting poison again. They are already shouting about the "threat to peace from the east."
    For Europe, our holiday is a forced recognition of their defeat. They will not forget and will not forgive.
    Therefore, once again: work work and work.
    pS Any reptile who says that "money is wasted" is worthy of only one thing - complete oblivion.
    1. k-239
      k-239 12 May 2015 08: 25
      +4
      Military tribunals worthy of confiscation selling homeland
    2. Captain45
      Captain45 12 May 2015 10: 15
      +1
      Quote: Metallurg
      The parade took place. The parade showed who is who in the current political situation.
      Yes, both Mongols and Chinese and Indians were in service. Yes, many former republics were also present.

      Moreover, to whom it was like, and it seemed to me just symbolic that the participation of representatives of the CSTO and SCO countries in the parade. Thus, it was as if emphasized that Russia finally turned to Asia and Europe has become a geyopp for us.
  10. Lyton
    Lyton 12 May 2015 08: 14
    +3
    Roman, you're right, the parade is wonderful, and all the enemies looked and apparently hoped for some kind of failure, but to our joy and their disappointment everything went like clockwork and very beautifully.
  11. exalex2
    exalex2 12 May 2015 08: 19
    +5
    The fact that ALL of Europe fought against the USSR I hope everyone knows. And what is the reason for them to go to Moscow for the Victory Parade? To glorify your defeat? But the "former" Republics simply showed their "true" face, or rather the muzzle, very unpleasant ...
    1. one
      one 12 May 2015 09: 57
      +1
      Quote: exalex2
      The fact that ALL Europe fought against the USSR

      no, not all.
      and not Europe, but only fascism, which seized Europe and deployed Europe's industry and resources to war, and not only with the USSR.
      request to you - learn to separate the grain from the chaff, do not repeat thoughtlessly well-thought out statements of political trolls. hi
      Well, for example - if there were units formed from Ukrainians and resources were pumped out of occupied Ukraine, this does not mean that Ukraine was at war with the USSR !!!
      fool
  12. oracul
    oracul 12 May 2015 08: 19
    +3
    On the day of the Great Victory - in addition to the majestic parade in Moscow, a cascade of parades from Vladivostok to Kaliningrad, demonstrating the strength and power of Russia. Let them look and startle at what they missed, looked at when Russia rushed from its knees to its full height. There is much to be done, much to overcome, but most importantly, the movement has begun. For the success of our just cause, friends!
  13. fomkin
    fomkin 12 May 2015 08: 25
    +14
    The parade is magnificent, but two spoons of tar- draping of the tomb of the founder of our country. And not a single mention of the main organizer of the Victory.
    1. umah
      umah 12 May 2015 08: 43
      +8
      drapery of the tomb of the founder of our country

      Really Rurik himself or Prophetic Oleg? belay They’ll probably hide under the body of Lenin wink
      1. Roshchin
        Roshchin 12 May 2015 10: 37
        +9
        A plywood booth put together in front of the Mausoleum clearly discordant with the parade setting. It's time to remove the fig leaves.
    2. Alnair
      Alnair 12 May 2015 13: 10
      -7
      Why, in a new, fresh, bright Russia, once again turn our eyes to the old, dead and suffering?

      Now is the time to build a new country, open new enterprises, strengthen the economy and financial system, but all of our beloved Russia in the person of its population stubbornly looks at events even more than 70 years ago. I mean Comrade Lenin, whatever the assessment of his role in history.

      Okay, Lenin was, super. Stalin was, there was victory, the war was, Gagarin was, but it was all then, a long time ago. But it is necessary that there is a new one, here, now, tomorrow.

      But no, we will stubbornly look back and discuss where it is better to open a new hydroelectric power station, but whether or not to drape the grave of the head of state at the parade.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 12 May 2015 15: 08
        +5
        Quote: Alnair
        Why, in a new, fresh, bright Russia, once again turn our eyes to the old, dead and suffering?

        Now is the time to build a new country, open new enterprises, strengthen the economy and financial system, but all of our beloved Russia in the person of its population stubbornly looks at events even more than 70 years ago. I mean Comrade Lenin, whatever the assessment of his role in history.

        Probably because Russia survived precisely due to this very old, dead, suffering.
        We survived due to the enormous margin of safety that was laid in the USSR. And still we live in many respects at the expense of the Union. Even in household trifles.

        Turned on the light - took advantage of the legacy of the USSR (for the vast majority of power plants and networks were built back then). I went into the kitchen and turned on the gas - thanks again to the USSR (pipelines and organization of production). He refueled the car ... exploration, production, pipeline and refineries are the merit of the USSR. I went down the subway - well, you know ... smile
      2. ivan.ru
        ivan.ru 12 May 2015 15: 20
        +1
        everything that was built under Stalin, under Brezhnev, that is not collapsed and not stolen by the current authorities and shifts - stands and works, and still keeps the country at the level of developed states. and discuss a new hydroelectric power station, do not discuss it, will not build it already. the time of the titans passed, dwarfs remained. if something to steal, to break apart - this is here, this is to them
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      4. Stelth1985
        Stelth1985 13 May 2015 04: 46
        +1
        First, tell me the achievements of the past 25 years?
        Second, name at least one city built from scratch under this authority?

        For the Honor and Glory of the ancestors!
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    4. ivan.ru
      ivan.ru 12 May 2015 15: 13
      +4
      and in our parade - May 9, 2015.
  14. vassa
    vassa 12 May 2015 08: 25
    +16
    And the Immortal Regiment drove through the brains of the whole world .... I will definitely go the next year with my family portraits of two uncles and grandfathers ..... and we all got stuck with some memorial about him ... memorialize him .. .but what about it ... but no one forgot ..
  15. LvKiller
    LvKiller 12 May 2015 08: 27
    +2
    "How should there be those who fought against fascism on the side of the USSR. That is, the countries of the anti-Hitler coalition." - And they congratulated the people of Russia exactly as they could: they ran, spattered with saliva, choked on a cactus and shouted "Return Crimea!" Did you expect something different from this foam of humanity?
  16. Streich
    Streich 12 May 2015 08: 32
    -5
    The article is great! I agree with the author to all 1000%, and comment on the article is not what, but about the comments. Mausoleum - what is it? Architect A. Schusev once designed Orthodox churches. And this building is made in the form of a karmic stupa and represents a demonic temple. But look around, around Orthodox churches. The Spasskaya Tower is the gateway church of the Holy Savior. And how magnificent this time our MINISTER OF DEFENSE Sergey Kuzhugetovich Shoigu rode out, he rode out without a headgear and crossed himself. And then there was this great parade. So that the drapery is justified. And so let the building stand.
    1. exalex2
      exalex2 12 May 2015 09: 29
      +10
      Quote: Streich
      Mausoleum - what is it?

      At the same time, both the Monument and the History (which must not be forgotten), and in the end, it is a Symbol, like the Kremlin and Red Square. And the Kremlin wall .. They can’t be SEPARATED .. Without one another, there can be no. But not like a grave. The tomb. The order for posterity. After all, there is no future without the past. Right??
    2. vladkavkaz
      vladkavkaz 12 May 2015 09: 41
      +14
      Streich
      There are less fantasies in the form of religious fiction on the topic of nonsense about generators of something there. Read more, something other than publishing all kinds of yellow ducks, like statues in Arguments and facts, otherwise you risk completely losing your mind.
      The historical truth is that in 1941 and in 1945, regiments of the Victory Army passed by the Mausoleum.
      And they won the war, no matter how you twisted its tail, under the leadership of the Bolshevik-Stalin and with the main and guiding role of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks.
      Stalin won the war, providing the armed part of the Soviet people with weapons and equipment, the work of home front workers, and not all kinds of talkers - esotericists and various other pseudo-historical "scholarly" crowd chattering all kinds of nonsense.
    3. one
      one 12 May 2015 10: 11
      +7
      Quote: Streich
      Shoigu, he rode out without a hat and crossed himself ...

      actually, they are baptized by turning to the gates and icons in front and not back belay !!!
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  17. Committee
    Committee 12 May 2015 08: 34
    -2
    The United States began to drill oil in the Arctic. Is this a war?
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 12 May 2015 08: 54
      +5
      Quote: Committee
      Sha began to drill oil in the Arctic.

      Wells are actually drilled, and drilling does not mean pumping.
      Quote: Committee
      Is this a war?

      If they don’t shoot and bomb, it means peace.
      1. Alnair
        Alnair 12 May 2015 13: 17
        +2
        Quote: Tersky
        If they don’t shoot and bomb, it means peace.


        Yes here nifiga like that. War does not necessarily mean shooting. The soldier of the current war has a completely different face.

        Now our army is Gazprom, Rosatom and Rostec. We are now very cruelly fighting contracts for tens, hundreds of billions of dollars. And the fate of our country for decades to come will depend on who wins.

        Have you read the next article about "Russian hackers"? Here's another face of a modern soldier.

        Have you heard about the "couch troops"? Laughter with laughter, and our sofa commentators, who are incorrectly called "hired trolls" in the press, turned out to be more effective than Western ones. Here's another type of modern soldier.

        Life has become completely different from what it was yesterday, and one should learn to be dexterous and skillful in new, unexpected realities.
    2. muhomor
      muhomor 12 May 2015 08: 54
      0
      What kind of war? They will drill on their shelf.
  18. renics
    renics 12 May 2015 08: 36
    -12
    (And he made me wonder what will happen in a year?) In a year, if Mr. Skomorokhov allocates more money for the parade, he will be even grander. The combat readiness of the army does not depend on grandiose parades.
    1. one
      one 12 May 2015 10: 16
      +3
      Quote: renics
      The combat readiness of the army does not depend on grandiose parades.

      combat readiness, it doesn’t depend, but combat readiness very much depends. fighting spirit, you know, also means a lot.
  19. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 12 May 2015 08: 37
    +3
    Where is the portrait of Stalin at the historical museum? Or he had nothing to do with the Second World War?
    And a question for connoisseurs: what do the boxes shout before walking past the rostrum of the guests of honor? Something like "And time". And for what?
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 12 May 2015 09: 08
      +11
      Quote: Ragnarek
      And a question for connoisseurs: what do the boxes shout before walking past the rostrum of the guests of honor? Something like "And time". And for what?

      Dear, Doomsday or the Apocalypse (after all, these names correspond to Ragnarok or the Last Battle in Scandinavian mythology), you clearly did not serve in the army and did not go through a ceremonial crew in a box. When passing by the tribune with the commander of the parade, the command "Iii Raz" is given, so that the parade formation or "box" simultaneously under the step with the left foot take the position "SMIRNO" in motion - hands are pressed along the seam, aligning with the parade receiver in accordance with the Armed Forces' combat regulations.
    2. vladkavkaz
      vladkavkaz 12 May 2015 09: 43
      +5
      Ragnarek
      Learn drill charter.)))
      And so, they are shouting a command to simultaneously carry out combat reception, on the transition to the Solemn March.
      1. Altona
        Altona 12 May 2015 10: 34
        +4
        Quote: vladkavkaz
        Ragnarek
        Learn drill charter.)))

        -------------------------
        Well, the person did not serve, and does not understand the commands given ... What can you do? For him, the passage of the columns with a solemn march-bin of Newton ... Although for the serving, the command "To the solemn march, by battalion" immediately refreshes his muscle memory and he already knows how to behave in the ranks ... soldier
      2. Igarr
        Igarr 12 May 2015 10: 44
        +2
        It is interesting that the "box" that cried out in chorus - AND-and-and-and, ONCE! - cemented.
        It becomes a monolith.
        Who went to these, knows this feeling.
        And do not really explain why, but it really happens.
        ...
        The parade is delighted.
        Technique too.
        And the fact that the parade dragged on, in my opinion - well, so be it. To know for sure that we have something to show.
        ...
        Brothers, it intrigues me terribly that this is a general (general?), Who led one of the boxes, told Putin. Neither greeted nor even greeted (as it seemed to me) but for a long and tedious way he expressed something. Putin even had to clap, clap him. But Shoigu was so angry at all, it was obvious.
        Who knows what about this figure? Who thinks what? Who is this anyway?
        1. Roman Skomorokhov
          12 May 2015 14: 20
          +3
          Quote: Igarr
          It is interesting that the "box" that cried out in chorus - AND-and-and-and, ONCE! - cemented.
          It becomes a monolith.
          Who went to these, knows this feeling.
          And do not really explain why, but it really happens.


          Well, how we learned - we join shoulder to shoulder, and with the little fingers of the lowered and pressed hands we grapple. And where the hell ranks get. Well, the box, respectively.
  20. fomkin
    fomkin 12 May 2015 08: 42
    +8
    P.S. Missed add to the previous post. We, too, are following Porosenko’s decrees on the prohibition of Soviet symbols, or I don’t understand something. The drapery of the Mausoleum and the lack of portraits of Stalin deeply disappointed me. But such a popular upsurge was. This error will give exactly the opposite effect. Look what the people in the former republics carried in their hands — only the Red Banners.
  21. T486
    T486 12 May 2015 08: 48
    +3
    Parade - FIRE !! Let everyone see and know, well, for one thing they may be afraid that we have this and not only this ... Only a small part of what we have is shown.
  22. mamont5
    mamont5 12 May 2015 08: 49
    +2
    "From poverty. From the fact that the parade was commanded by representatives of the family of non-ruminant artiodactyls in civilian suits."

    They did not command, but took the Parade. Minister, i.e. politician may be civilian (theoretically), but only the military can command.
  23. Yves762
    Yves762 12 May 2015 08: 52
    +1
    I propose to dwell on the fact that the Victory Parade, first of all, is a tribute to memory and respect (first), and not propaganda and "demonstration" (second). For the first is holy; the second is very controversial. soldier
    1. Altona
      Altona 12 May 2015 22: 02
      0
      Quote: Yves762
      I propose to dwell on the fact that the Victory Parade, first of all, is a tribute to memory and respect (first), and not propaganda and "demonstration" (second). For the first is holy; the second is very controversial.

      -----------------------
      The Victory Day parade pays tribute to the participants of the war, dead and alive, serves as a link between generations and is of great educational value, showing the country's capabilities and its military traditions to the young generation ...
  24. ARES623
    ARES623 12 May 2015 08: 53
    +3
    Quote: Ragnarek
    Where is the portrait of Stalin at the historical museum? Or he had nothing to do with the Second World War?
    And a question for connoisseurs: what do the boxes shout before walking past the rostrum of the guests of honor? Something like "And time". And for what?

    Around the same time, why did Sharapova need to hit the ball with each racket. It is difficult for someone who did not go to explain the emotional uplift and sense of unity of the ceremonial battalion when you see in front of you the banner of your union (school, academy) with the order's bows. "And time" is like a team for focused work on an important task. Something like this...
    Roman, in what calculation did you participate? Well, if it's not a secret ..
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      12 May 2015 14: 24
      +2
      Not a secret))) I even visited twice.

      But the first is unforgettable. In the box of the Kalinin IED.
  25. meriem1
    meriem1 12 May 2015 08: 53
    +1
    Quote: Basarev
    It’s just that they understand by the depth of their minds that in comparison with Stalin, who in that historical Parade stood on the podium of the Mausoleum, they are insignificants and a wretched country in comparison with the Stalinist USSR. So they are trying to cover up their shame. And since they are basically incapable of atonement through Russia’s breakthrough into the future, they go along the easiest path - the struggle against monuments and the total blackening of the USSR.

    To the doctor!!!!! Urgently to the doctor ....
  26. Semenov
    Semenov 12 May 2015 08: 58
    +1
    The Mongols have been studying at our military schools for ten years now. Their equipment (especially winter) is directly general.
  27. ivan bogomolov
    ivan bogomolov 12 May 2015 09: 03
    +12
    Brothers, I was at a parade in St. Petersburg with my daughters 7 and 18 years old, I was just in shock, tears in my eyes from unity and positiveness, bursting with pride, and I was stunned for the IMMORTAL Regiment. My daughters had 4 great-grandfathers, and only one came back .They will now remember the whole scale of that war for all their life. I embrace you all with VICTORY ........))))))))))))))))
  28. Iskander 090
    Iskander 090 12 May 2015 09: 12
    +5
    The parade is great !!!! The Chinese are good, but our souls, well done, and the performance of the orchestra "We are the army of the people" vyshak !!!
  29. Max adelheid
    Max adelheid 12 May 2015 09: 15
    -8
    The parade is, of course, beautiful ... However, we have more than bad business with the economy ... recourse
  30. wanderer
    wanderer 12 May 2015 09: 26
    -7
    I turn to the author of the article, Roman Skomorokhov (Banshee).
    ************************************************** ********************
    Your article shows a disregard for MILITARY FINANCERS.
    Have you ever met live military financiers ??? ... talked ??? ... Or do you think they are all like Serdyukov and Vasilyeva ???
    ROMAN, on the street and they would fill you with physics, and would not blink an eye, what would the next time I thought to blurt out.

    Now I think, will you read my words ???
    1. vladkavkaz
      vladkavkaz 12 May 2015 09: 47
      +4
      wanderer (
      I didn’t communicate with military financiers, especially in 92 and right up to 2010, that for the rest of my life there is enough understanding why Peter 1 treated all kinds of intendants with a fair amount of contempt and, as it was said, “three months in office, it's time to throw out, already stole "
      All tricks from the banal 44, to the much worse frauds with delays and money scrolling, all of those who served in those years in plain sight.
      1. wanderer
        wanderer 12 May 2015 09: 56
        -4
        ..... cho, I also have never met with military finns ??? .... and the frog is also much more (((
        1. vladkavkaz
          vladkavkaz 12 May 2015 10: 12
          0
          wanderer
          The truth is not to the liking that it’s only capable of blundering any nonsense?
      2. Fin
        Fin 12 May 2015 11: 19
        0
        Quote: vladkavkaz
        I didn’t communicate with military financiers, especially in 92 and right up to 2010, that for the rest of my life there is enough understanding why Peter 1 treated all kinds of intendants with a fair amount of contempt and, as it was said, “three months in office, it's time to throw out, already stole "

        Nachprod’s smoked stew and rations gave a bad one, nachvarya — they didn’t fit in uniforms, vests sold, nachs fuels and lubricants — gasoline, diluted alcohol and sold surpluses, nachmed — fed overdue pills, politician — stealing notebooks with rulers ... In general, all the villains, one you brave, fair warrior, father to all soldiers.
        Will we hang backers or what?
        1. KBR109
          KBR109 12 May 2015 11: 51
          +1
          Gorgeous treated your Great SUVOROV. He left his opinion to the descendants. "... and therefore an officer or an official, although a couple of years on the quartermaster service, can be safely hanged: WILL BE FOR WHAT." And ... hung up. And military financiers - yes - such beasts that they are not even given weapons.
          1. Fin
            Fin 12 May 2015 12: 19
            -1
            Quote: KBR109
            And ... hung. But military financiers - yes - such animals that they are not even given weapons.

            Pzhl examples of the hanged, otherwise we can do everything in language ...
            Now, of course, the army has become better - outsourcing, no dates, who is to blame now?
        2. vladkavkaz
          vladkavkaz 13 May 2015 10: 15
          +1
          Fin (
          The most honest rule was a certain general Pivovarov, ZKT Dalvo, so he didn’t want to steal, but he didn’t have enough.
          Honest rules of the chief finance 693 MSP, but as they took for the zugunder, they found 500000 rubles in the couch.
          The most honest rules were fuel and lubricants in 429, but the trouble is, he stole a lot ..
          In general, it’s better to be silent, covering up your rear loafers, you have a lot of mess there, embezzlement and embezzlement.
    2. Roman Skomorokhov
      12 May 2015 14: 31
      +2
      Quote: wanderer
      Now I think, will you read my words ???


      Read it. It is a pity that you read my line. If read at all.

      Quote: wanderer
      Your article reveals disregard for MILITARY FINANCIERS.


      Where?

      Well, too, since it did not reach, I will explain. I disregarded the organizers of the parade when the Taman and Kantemirov divisions were removed from the calculation, the Suvorov and Nakhimov schools were removed, and other units were set up instead.

      Quote: wanderer
      Have you ever met with living military financiers ??? ... talked ??? ... Or do you think they are all like Serdyukov and Vasilyev ???


      No, where did I get this from? I just served on the Internet.
      Serdyukov? Military financier? I love to learn something new, thank you.

      Quote: wanderer
      ROMAN, on the street and they would fill you with physics, and would not blink an eye, what would the next time I thought to blurt out.


      Address to throw? No problem.

      And it seems to be the holidays behind, everything should be adequate already ...

      Apparently, some of the "strengths" of military financiers are unknown to me.
  31. lazma3
    lazma3 12 May 2015 09: 26
    0
    People! Looking at such a parade, one thing is clear - DO NOT WIN US.
  32. atamankko
    atamankko 12 May 2015 09: 32
    +1
    They showed the world the power of Russia, let them know.
  33. wandlitz
    wandlitz 12 May 2015 09: 34
    +1
    Quote: Max Adelheid
    The parade is, of course, beautiful ... However, we have more than bad business with the economy ... recourse

    We will talk about economics in the next article. And the parade is just a sight for sore eyes ...
  34. Kovlad
    Kovlad 12 May 2015 09: 35
    +6
    Dear! Yes, the parade was great, just wonderful! But, I would like to add a little off topic: today, May 12th is World Nurse's Day! How much blood, pain, death they suffered in all wars! And how many people survived thanks to them! We bow to them and congratulations on the holiday! (To my shame, my wife reminded me of this, a nurse of the highest category, liable for military service, I will try today to do my best to correct my forgetfulness).
  35. fomkin
    fomkin 12 May 2015 09: 46
    +8
    Parade May 9, 2011. Progress is evident
  36. Altona
    Altona 12 May 2015 09: 47
    +4
    The parade was wonderful, but too fast, because driving an entire division through Red Square is something ... Hindus, in my opinion, did not look cool, but quite historically, dressed in British colonial fashion, only a national plume on a hat, and so - a uniform khaki, boots with white gaiters, everything is fine ... Putin and Xi Jinping on the podium together is a message to "unipolar", as well as "Yars" with "Armata" on paving stones and the Su-35 in the air ... all were paratroopers, sailors and marines, there were no such nervously skewed faces like the missilemen, who walked in the top view, creating a wave in the back rows and a rhombus instead of a square (on replays this view was cut out) ... Well, everything is worthy, surprised true passage that Azerbaijanis and Armenians were released one after another ... These are the impressions, plus a huge respect for the orchestra, which performed a complex medley of various melodies ...
    1. Igarr
      Igarr 12 May 2015 10: 50
      +3
      As for the musicians, I agree.
      Two hours to play, what resistance is needed. Even taking into account duplication, try to stand for two or two and a half hours and not to forget the notes.
      And then another song.
      Well done musicians, well done.
      Delighted.
  37. kit-kat
    kit-kat 12 May 2015 10: 01
    +6
    I still have a few comments.
    First - you still need to open the mausoleum, and not bashfully hide it behind the posters. The second - the money is really not a pity, but I think that it’s not necessary only those that were spent precisely on the parade, but such massive advertising. She ate the lion's share of the expenses. And without that, it is clear to every Russian person what the Victory Parade is. Thirdly, too much attention was paid to the one who will arrive or will not come to the Parade. But do not we give a damn about them? This is our Victory, our Parade.
  38. siberalt
    siberalt 12 May 2015 10: 07
    +2
    Quote: vsoltan
    I wonder how long they will bashfully drape the mausoleum? This is also our story.


    The State Department banned, and so what? But they don’t ask the people.
  39. Stalker.1977
    Stalker.1977 12 May 2015 10: 18
    -1
    Quote: saag
    Quote: vsoltan
    I wonder how long they will bashfully drape the mausoleum?

    Yes, it also hurt me somehow, why are the authorities hiding it so diligently ???

    Launch mine with a mega missile and a charge of 100 terratons))) Hidden)))
  40. afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 12 May 2015 10: 25
    +2
    Quote: Zomanus
    All is correctly said. There was a parade of the Armed Forces of Russia and the allies. Actually, it was shown who is with us, and the rest turns out ... as usual.

    and even a word would have been mentioned about one of the main creators of the Victory - Stalin. for decency or something
  41. mark7
    mark7 12 May 2015 10: 27
    +2
    Quote: vsoltan
    I wonder how long they will bashfully drape the mausoleum? This is also our story.

    I also ask about it all the time, it is also our historical monument, the more they welcomed and admonished those who left for the front.
  42. costofan
    costofan 12 May 2015 10: 29
    +2
    The Mongols 350 thousand people went to war ... yes, plus they gave horses for ten thousand.
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 12 May 2015 11: 56
      +2
      I don’t know about people, and over 570 thousand horses were delivered. Lots of wool, meat and skins.
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 12 May 2015 12: 53
        +7
        Supplies of leather, lamb skins from which short fur coats were made, meat.
        All from Mongolia.
        ".. The Mongolian people sent 65 million tugriks worth of valuables, industrial goods and agricultural products to the front. About 485 thousand horses were supplied to the Soviet Union, 5 million tugriks were transferred from the Mongolian People's Republic to the fund to help war invalids and children After the end of the war, 40 thousand head of cattle and over 5 million tugriks were sent to the regions of the USSR that suffered from the German occupation from the MPR for the needs of restoring the national economy of the country.

        The average cost of the T-34 tank for the 1941 year: - 249.272 rubles. [2]

        1 million tugriks was approximately equal to 1 rubles ... "
        So it goes.
      2. ARES623
        ARES623 12 May 2015 12: 53
        +2
        Quote: KBR109
        I don’t know about people, and over 570 thousand horses were delivered. Lots of wool, meat and skins.

        Add more than a million sheepskin shorts there, at the sight of which the Germans fainted from envy near Moscow and Stalingrad.
  43. pofigisst74
    pofigisst74 12 May 2015 10: 38
    -6
    And I think that the TV people came up with the idea of ​​closing the Mausoleum. To revive the "picture". After all, every year the same thing. And then, what does Lenin have to do with the Great Patriotic War? And so at least photos of the war years.
    1. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 12 May 2015 11: 01
      0
      I didn’t ask myself, but what does the red square have, because the battles didn’t go on it, according to your logic, maybe then they can hold parades in the field, where are the old trenches not covered up?
  44. afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 12 May 2015 10: 40
    +1
    25 million dead of our relatives and friends and 400 thousand Americans show that for them the Second World War and for us the Great Patriotic War ... it seems the main result of this holiday is not a demonstration of military power, but a real march of millions across the country, not by order and other admins. calls and at the behest of the heart ... it's me about the "Immortal Regiment" the spirit of the nation is more alive than all living things, let everything in the west wither and our filthy liberals how many young people in the ranks of the heart rejoice, really this war is in our genetic memory.
    He himself attached six portraits to the pens before the holiday, the children asked and that was pleasantly said right away we’ll go ... damn already unused
  45. Monarchist25
    Monarchist25 12 May 2015 10: 45
    -13
    Of course, I’ll grab the minuses now, but honestly, I have already overcome it with my mausoleum. I understand, of course, that the majority of VO visitors are citizens who made the USSR shine and glory, but it’s enough to pray for Ulyanov. An occult ziggurat in the heart of an Orthodox Christian country is generally nonsense. If you, gentlemen, are so advocating for the origins, then why not return to the origins of old Russia? Russian Emperors, for example, took many parades on the steps of Orthodox churches. Maybe this is true, then? One parade - in the mausoleum (pah, abomination), one - in the temple. Great, huh? For those who did not understand, it was sarcasm. Understand, gentlemen, correctly, I am not against the Soviet Union, and I believe that this state is one of the glorious pages of our history, although not without sin, of course. But how much can you already erect on Ulyanov and Dzhugashvili? One comrade here in comments generally blurted out that Ulyanov is the founder of our country. I'm sorry, what!?
  46. Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 12 May 2015 10: 45
    +9
    What happened at the celebration of the 70th anniversary of the Victory Day is a shock. Russia has not seen such a thing in recent history.

    A story is now going around VK, about the veracity of which I do not presume to judge. However, he is truly soulful:

    “Once my father expressed a piercing and terrible thought:

    "Ten thousand soldiers and officers of armies and fronts took part in the main parade in honor of Victory Day on June 24, 1945. The passage of the parade" boxes "of troops lasted thirty minutes. And do you know what I was thinking? Over the four years of the war, the losses of our army amounted to almost nine million killed. And each of them, who gave the Victory the most precious thing - life! - deserves to march in that parade line along Red Square. nineteen days ... "And suddenly, as if in reality, I presented this parade.

    Front "boxes" twenty by ten.

    One hundred twenty steps per minute.

    In windings and boots, greatcoats, "overalls" and quilted jackets, in garrison caps, earflaps, "budenovka", helmets, peakless caps, caps.

    And nineteen days and nights through Red Square this continuous stream of fallen battalions, regiments, divisions would go. Parade of heroes, parade of winners:

    Think about nineteen days and nights ...

    Probably on May 9, 2015, through the efforts of ordinary citizens of Russia, this story, with a certain degree of convention, was realized in the vastness of Russian cities. Already not thousands, millions of people came out within the framework of the "Immortal Regiment" action.

    This is a fundamentally different level of patriotism. This is not even patriotism - it is the unity of the nation. The President leads the convoy of the Immortal Regiment in Moscow, carrying a photograph of his father. Millions of ordinary people who did not come by the will of the organizers. And in a single impulse, in attempts to protect their history and memory of their ancestors. The president is at the head ... Can you imagine such a thing? A year ago, I would not have believed it. Today it is the realities of Russia.

    You can argue for a long time about the reasons that have rallied the nation. Someone will say that the matter is the annexation of Crimea, someone will point out events in Ukraine, someone will see a Western trace in the form of attempts to rewrite history or sanctions. And I think that now it is not important. Russia has become different, and I do not know a stronger means for the development and prosperity of the country, as the unity of the people. We are moving into a new era in which, contrary to expectations, Russia has not collapsed, has not broken up, has not gone to the margins of world politics, and as it usually happens with our country, in a single outburst, it has risen and rose from its knees. Yesterday, May 9, 2015, she not only got up from her knees, but also squared her shoulders. I'm proud of my country.
  47. veksha50
    veksha50 12 May 2015 10: 51
    +4
    "Handsomely. Powerfully. Weighty"...

    Well, what can I say ???

    And, by the way, the Hindu-Chinese-Mongols are also soooooooo the topic .... The announcer said: Allies are coming ... Let Frau Merkel think about the meaning of this phrase, not to mention the different Hollande and Babamah ...

    The main thing is that the parade showed that the aspirations of the "Fashington regional committee and comrades" for the collapse of Russia and its Armed Forces were not fulfilled, and Russia is ready for the "hot version" of sanctions ...
  48. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 12 May 2015 10: 52
    +8
    And I just liked the parade. I watched it after the parade on May 9 in our city (took part in the Immortal regiment). And despite not all the flaws, with the greatest pleasure he looked at the passage of the "boxes" and at military equipment and at everything that was happening in the sky. Has anyone even counted how many tankers were lifted this year and last? And the rest did not disappoint either.
    I am completely satisfied with the Victory Parade in Moscow on May 9. And if there were any unfortunate nuances, it means that we have something to correct, what to analyze and strive for an even better Parade.

    PS In my distant youth I was twice in the Mausoleum and I think that his drapery is one of the unsuccessful decisions of the organizers of the parade. Is it good, is it bad, but! This is our story, and it is inappropriate to be ashamed of it.
  49. Roshchin
    Roshchin 12 May 2015 10: 56
    +1
    I agree with the author of the article that last year’s parade could be considered a model. Everything is proportionate, harmonious, compact. This year the demonstration of the latest technology turned out great. I don’t know whether it was worth showing the whole world the latest promising tank from all sides, which is also not in service. The aviation part is not entirely clear. Especially the flight of aircraft first in groups, and then the same for refuellers.
    In general, wonderful. It would be nice to organize other things at such a level: they picked up knowledgeable leaders, selected normal performers, provided everything necessary and trained. The same nanotechnology or the notorious Skolkovo.
    1. Altona
      Altona 12 May 2015 11: 50
      0
      Quote: Grove
      The aviation part is not entirely clear. Especially the flight of aircraft first in groups, and then the same for refuellers.

      -------------------
      For spectators, the passage of fighter jets with refuelers gives a visual comparison in the sizes of transport-passenger and combat aircraft ...
  50. ibragim
    ibragim 12 May 2015 11: 11
    +9
    Quote: wanderer
    I turn to the author of the article, Roman Skomorokhov (Banshee).
    ************************************************** ********************
    Your article shows a disregard for MILITARY FINANCERS.
    Have you ever met live military financiers ??? ... talked ??? ... Or do you think they are all like Serdyukov and Vasilyeva ???
    ROMAN, on the street and they would fill you with physics, and would not blink an eye, what would the next time I thought to blurt out.

    Now I think, will you read my words ???
    Respected 94g.priehali from a business trip 3 months as it should be given, duck here the financier so we got all the money do not hesitate once in the forehead and 10% of all vydam.No than those popal.Smenili, put another and also that someone samoe.Tak war and to whom the mother is dear. And you do not say everything, 99,9% of scum are correct. So do not say that the financiers are very honest and clean.
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 12 May 2015 12: 06
      +3
      You will laugh, but the date in the Order of Courage was the first in my regiment. This beast was approaching the forefront as much as 7 km. - sat deeper than the regiment headquarters. The order was awarded to him at the headquarters of the Group - and thank God. The people did not understand.
    2. FREGATENKAPITAN
      FREGATENKAPITAN 12 May 2015 13: 17
      +3
      So for sure ....... in 94-95 when they didn’t pay wages for half a year ....... we are fierce hatred. they hated lieutenant captains from the financial unit who came from vacations on new foreign cars and bought apartments in St. Petersburg ...... Everything follows the same pattern ......... Yes ..... and by the way for the Indians .. ...... Indians in the British troops fought in North Africa with the Nazis ........ not only with Japan