Reflections after the Parade

Such is the thing: everyone who has trampled down the pavement of Red Square at a parade at least once, treats this event with a special feeling. I'm not an exception. I watch each. In the company of their own kind or alone. And at the same time I have different feelings every year.

Quite recently, everyone spat and growled. From misery. From the fact that the parade commanded by representatives of the family of non-ruminant artiodactyls in civilian suits. From the way they took the parade and reported to the Supreme. From who and how went on these parades. Intendants, financiers and other managers.

No, representatives of these services are necessary in the army. And even at the parade they have the right to attend. The question is in quantity.

Saddened by the lack of technology, replaced by receptions with weapons and other frills.

Glory to Russia, that all this poverty in the past. I hope forever.

Last year’s parade was already a parade. And made me think, what will happen next year?

And here it is over. “Ffuuhhh” - we breathed.

It was really a Victory Parade. Demonstrating, as in the good old days, the power and might of our Armed Forces. It was a masterpiece.

Nervous, yes. For "weave" and "thirty". For "Almaty". And for their crews. It is hard, to lead that a completely new tank, that one that is at least 70 years old. But - gone. Now, I hope, those who squealed for joy at the “Armata” stalled at the rehearsal will calm down. That's why she is a rehearsal. And the nerves of the crew ... well, anything can happen.

Handsomely. Powerfully. Weighty

I will not regret a single ruble spent on this Parade. Although, I am sure, now the mourners will show up sobbing that "it would be better to spend this money on ...". I do not regret. And I do not advise you.

The deepest reflections caused an unusual beginning of the Parade. If you move your brains deeply, then at the Parade of such scale and dedicated to such a date should have been present those who, in fact, won. That is, the USSR and the allies. Right?

The USSR is no more. It means that the presence of representatives of the Armed Forces of Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan together with Russia is what is needed. This is us.

Next - allies.

How should there be those who fought against fascism on the side of the USSR. That is, the country of the anti-Hitler coalition. Is it logical

Serbs. No questions. Sole Representatives historical wretchedness of Europe. Beauties. Even in ancient times, Emperor Alexander III once proclaimed this toast: “I drink for the health of the king of Serbia and Montenegro. Russia has no other friends and allies in Europe! ” The scandal then was serious, but now, historically, how it turned out ...
Respect and respect for the little people who fought the whole war against the fascists and who were not afraid of anyone today. By law in the system, by law.

Mongols. And, by the way, they were great! Allies too. Though not fought with the Germans. But Mongolia’s contribution to our victory is enormous. This should be discussed later. But it’s just great that the Mongolian soldiers were at this Parade.

But then ... India and China. No, historically we seemed to be on the same side. Well, in a sense, the enemies were common. Japanese. But if you think well - this is politics.

What the Indians looked like and went more than cool - I will not argue. In general, such a highlight came out and passed in front of the stands. Yes, and the Chinese fighters also looked. But deeper ...

We have already said that the Parade, as a litmus test, will show who and where. Apparently, I had to add to this cocktail policy. There is no USSR and allies - sadly, but here you have Russia and allies ... Like, you will receive and sign.

And the fact that the allies from the East - who is to blame?

So, the parade took place. It has already become a story, which will include the most luxurious and wonderful as possible (well, for me, for example, parade No. 117 will forever be the best, after all). For now, at least.

The world is changing a little every day. Little, but changing. I think that this day, the day of such a great celebration of the greatest, probably, in our history, Day, will still bring its results.

Perhaps those about which we still do not guess.

But the fact that they will be - for some reason no doubt.

Comments

[vsoltan]

I wonder how long they will bashfully drape the mausoleum? This is also our story.

[Basarev]

It’s just that they understand by the depth of their minds that in comparison with Stalin, who in that historical Parade stood on the podium of the Mausoleum, they are insignificants and a wretched country in comparison with the Stalinist USSR. So they are trying to cover up their shame. And since they are basically incapable of atonement through Russia’s breakthrough into the future, they go along the easiest path - the struggle against monuments and the total blackening of the USSR.

[Andrey57]

And I would not close the mausoleum, but would sit on the podium of the remaining veterans and let them take a parade in honor of Victory Day.

[ispaniard]

Add to the article would not hurt the information about two more parades from which someone stood up in the throat (just a year of independence in the war and the blockade, and the parade in spite of the UKROPs and their owners did!) Donetsk parade

[ispaniard]

И Lugansk parade

[mark7]

Quote: ispaniard

И Lugansk parade

thank you very much for the good glad that they had a parade in New Russia at 5+

[atos_kin]

A star on technology in Lugansk looks more harmonious. Russia needs to return the star to its star form.

[Zhekson]

A red star is strong, and not as it is now striped like some ov's.

[Yurban]

Thank.!!!!

[Yurban]

Thank you very much, I didn’t have time to look through everything, but I was sure that someone would post these videos about the parades, I’m sincerely grateful.

[inkass_98]

Quote: Basarev

in comparison with Stalin, who in that historical Parade stood on the podium of the Mausoleum, they are insignificants and a wretched country in comparison with the Stalinist USSR.

See the parade in honor of the 50 anniversary of the Victory. The struggle with Grachev and the rest of the shobla was not shy, she stood at the mausoleum, although these gentlemen didn’t have a place there at all.
And you don’t really need to close the mausoleum, it is the same historical building on Red Square as the GUM, Pokrovsky Cathedral, the monument to Minin and Pozharsky, and the Kremlin itself.

[NordUral]

It’s time for the authorities to decide what we are building and where we are going. Both Lenin and Stalin are milestones of our history, the best pages in the centuries-old life of the country. When we gather the husk of lies hinged by deceitful creatures by renegade-perestroika, then their greatness and role will again become clear. And then the government wags its tail, rewards honored people with the signs of the Hero of Labor (deservedly with it), but tell me - what kind of work? If we have a social state, then why is there such a gap in the incomes of the highest (far from the most effective obabotnikov) and people? And where does the country again have debts for half a trillion dollars? Who made them and what? Questions cloud, no answers. And those that often get more insult to the people than honest answers to the questions of society.

[222222]

The national composition of the Heroes of the Soviet Union during the Second World War: Russians - 8160 people, Ukrainians - 2069, Belarusians - 309, Tatars (including Kazan, Siberians) - 161, Jews - 148, Armenians - 106, Kazakhs - 96, Georgians - 90, Uzbeks - 69, Mordvin - 63, Chuvash - 45, Azerbaijanis - 43, Bashkirs - 39, Ossetians - 33, Mari - 18, Turkmen - 18, Lithuanians - 15, Tajiks - 15, Latvians - 13, Kyrgyz - 12, Udmurts - 10, Komi –10, Karelians –9, Germans –9, Estonians –8, Kalmyks –– 8, Kabardins –– 8, Buryats and Mongols –– 8, Adyghe –– 6, Crimean Tatars –– 6, Chechens –– 5, Abkhazians –– 5, French –– 4 , Yakuts - 3, Czechoslovakians - 3, Moldovans - 2, one Kurd, one Altai, one Finn, one Bulgarian, one Pole, one lak, one Spaniard and one Tuvan.

[DON-100]

222222 You have incorrect information about the number of Heroes of the Soviet Union. In particular, Laks have not 1, but 5 heroes, and this is not counting Amet-Khan Sultan, who was also a Lak on his father, and on his mother a Crimean Tatar (according to the documents he was listed as Crimean Tatar) But considering that he was twice a Hero, then Laks rightfully have another medal, a total of 6.

[zubkoff46]

Is it possible about the Mongols? I'm not talking about the Heroes of the Union among them, but they and ours took a direct part in the defeat of the millionth Kwantung army. Mongolia is a small country in terms of population. But when it came to helping us by force and returning the Japanese, they put in the ranks of the army everyone who was able to climb (not what you thought) riding a horse. So the right to participate in our Parade have the utmost.

[Old old]

Is it possible about the Mongols?

I will add. Every tenth fought, 50% of the budget - the war.
Tungsten is Mongolian.
Every fifth horse from Mongolia, every fifth overcoat from Mongolian wool. 500 thousand tons of meat were delivered to the USSR (for comparison, the USA - 660 thousand tons). And much, much more, and FREE OF CHARGE, and we paid for a land lease only in 2006.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Nursing Old

Every fifth horse from Mongolia, every fifth Mongolian overcoat. 500 thousand tons of meat were delivered to the USSR (for comparison, the USA - 660 thousand tons). And much, much more, and FREE OF CHARGE, and we paid for a land lease only in 2006.

And the famous army sheepskin coats? Where did the rams grow from which these sheepskin coats are sewn? The Germans did not have them, nor did Mongolia. Therefore, I think, although the Mongols, of course, did not take Berlin, but thank them for the sheepskin coats and there is a place for them in our Parade.

[lev1201]

But there was also the Tuva People’s Republic ...
Cobalt, however ...

[lev1201]

In addition - copper and molybdenum.
And after the war - also fluorite (fluorspar) and uranium ...

[udincev]

Quote: zubkoff46

Is it possible about the Mongols? I'm not talking about the Heroes of the Union among them, but they and ours took a direct part in the defeat of the millionth Kwantung army

If you go back to World War II. From the beginning of the war, the Mongols helped as they could: from participation in the ranks of the Red Army to supply. A herd of horses for cavalry, unlike a mercantile lend-lease, a gift and much more, tearing away from his not-so-luxurious life, which saved many lives of our people!
Participation in the Parade of Winners is deserved and undoubted!

[Fedman]

Quote: NordUral

It’s time for the authorities to decide what we are building and where we are going. Both Lenin and Stalin are milestones of our history, the best pages in the centuries-old life of the country.

What Lenin did was most likely necessary. But all the same, one must be completely crazy to call the period of the civil war and mass repressions the best milestones in history.

[Old old]

But still, one must be completely crazy to call the period of the civil war and mass repressions the best milestones in history.

One must be blind and not see universal literacy, electrification, industrialization, Victory in the Great Patriotic War, space rocket achievements and much more.

[Old old]

But still, one must be completely crazy to call the period of the civil war and mass repressions the best milestones in history.

One must be blind and not see universal literacy, electrification, industrialization, Victory in the Great Patriotic War, space rocket achievements and much more.

[Fedman]

"During the Civil War, from hunger, disease, terror and in battles (according to various sources) from 8 to 13 million people died, including about 1 million Red Army soldiers. Up to 2 million people emigrated from the country." - this is from wikipedia.
It is good to talk about electrification and industrialization after decades, sitting in a warm chair. Just think, 8 million died, but the rest became literate and with light. And imagine that you yourself lived in that period and participated in all this.
Do not confuse the necessary and the good

[sanyavolhv]

Quote: Fedman

It is good to talk about electrification and industrialization after decades, sitting in a warm chair. Just think, 8 million died, but the rest became literate and with light. And imagine that you yourself lived in that period and participated in all this

health. I agree with you. it’s comfortable in a chair, in a ditch with cold water, waist-deep, or even throat, badly.
the country had to be raised. and if needed AGAIN have to climb out of the chair into the ditch. who is in our place? and die in these ditches again if .... or ... with her, with the country?

[Yurrra.]

After Russia left the First World War, German and Austro-Hungarian troops in February 1918 occupied part of Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic states and the south of Russia. To preserve Soviet power, Soviet Russia went to the conclusion of the Brest Peace (March 1918). In March 1918, Anglo-Franco-American troops landed in Murmansk; in April, Japanese troops in Vladivostok; in May, the rebellion of the Czechoslovak Corps began, following the Trans-Siberian Railway to the East. Samara, Kazan, Simbirsk, Yekaterinburg, Chelyabinsk and other cities were captured along the entire route. All this created serious problems for the new government. By the summer of 1918, numerous groups and governments were formed in 3/4 of the country's territory that opposed the Soviet regime. The Soviet government began to create the Red Army and moved on to the policy of war communism. In June, the government formed the Eastern Front, in September - the Southern and Northern Fronts.
By the end of the summer of 1918, Soviet power remained mainly in the central regions of Russia and in part of Turkestan. In the 2nd half of 1918, the Red Army won the first victories on the Eastern Front, liberated the Volga region, part of the Urals.
After the revolution in Germany in November 1918, the Soviet government annulled the Brest Peace, and Ukraine and Belarus were liberated. However, the policy of war communism, as well as the rhetoric, provoked peasant and Cossack uprisings in various regions and enabled the leaders of the anti-Bolshevik camp to form numerous armies and launch a widespread offensive against the Soviet Republic.
In October 1918, the Volunteer Army of General Anton Denikin and the Don Cossack Army of General Peter Krasnov went on the offensive against the Red Army in the South; Kuban and the Don region were occupied, attempts were made to cut the Volga in the Tsaritsyn area. In November 1918, Admiral Alexander Kolchak announced in Omsk the establishment of a dictatorship and proclaimed himself the supreme ruler of Russia.
In November-December 1918, British and French landings were landed in Odessa, Sevastopol, Nikolaev, Kherson, Novorossiysk, and Batumi. In December, Kolchak’s army, which captured Perm, intensified its operations, but the Red Army, having captured Ufa, suspended its offensive.


RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/history_spravki/20101206/305088547.html#ixzz3a326wJHx

Like a civil war.

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: NordUral

It’s time for the authorities to decide what we are building and where we are going.

It has long been decided.

[udincev]

Quote: Uncle Joe

It has long been decided.

Oh oh
In addition, the authorities, even a priori "servants of the people," but in fact are subject to a lot of things and on what they are dependent. And by no means monolithic.

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: udincev

Oh oh

Fact.

[shershen]

If we move the screen away from nanotechnology, super-weapons, etc., and take a sober look at the standard of living, education, medicine, corruption, roads, prices, representatives of government and the law, then we have a full-fledged 3-sorted pseudo-social feudal state.

[Old old]

If we move the screen away from nanotechnology, super-weapons, etc., and take a sober look at the standard of living, education, medicine, corruption, roads, prices, representatives of government and the law, then we have a full-fledged 3-sorted pseudo-social feudal state.

Do better if you can.

[Old old]

If we move the screen away from nanotechnology, super-weapons, etc., and take a sober look at the standard of living, education, medicine, corruption, roads, prices, representatives of government and the law, then we have a full-fledged 3-sorted pseudo-social feudal state.

Do better if you can.

[Victorio]

+ Both Lenin and Stalin are milestones in our history, the best pages in the centuries-old life of the country. When we gather the husk of lies hinged by deceitful creatures by renegade-perestroika, then their greatness and role will again become clear.
---
and then you intend to "shake off" the number of those killed?


+ And where does the country again have debts for half a trillion dollars? Who made them and what? Questions cloud, no answers. +
---
companies have debts, and the state has almost none

[Lehanset]

And GUM also draped.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: inkass_98

The struggle with Grachev and other shobla was not shy, she stood at the mausoleum, although these gentlemen didn’t have a place there at all.

And Dima and Tolya generally took the Parade. They are somehow FSUs, but really no one was found who would have hinted to them about the combatant charter, army traditions and respect for the participants in the parade? Although they, in general, are neither in the Mausoleum, nor in the Parade ...

"A commander of any rank must stand when troops pass in front of him. Nobody accepts the parade. This is liberal-democratic manners, not a charter," - General Leonid Ivashov.

The Politburo, albeit, they say, with cunning props, but it stood. And these are giggling ...

And further. GDP does not disdain to change into a military uniform (either in the sea or in the land). I see no reason for him not to accept the parade in his full dress form. Why be ashamed of something? Let Merkelikh be ashamed of knocking on the Stasi. And between a snitch and a colonel, the difference is oh-ho!

[GOR_XVII]

Basarev, it’s not you and the saag who accidentally distributed thousands of leaflets against Putin and the government during the celebrations? What, the State Department allocated funds?
PS. Victory Day is a national holiday, regardless of party affiliation and views, and a concrete grave with a mummy of an ambiguous politician provokes a feeling of rejection among a huge number of Russian citizens. So the mausoleum was closed correctly, although it would have long been necessary to remove it from Red Square and it does not represent any historical heritage.

[NordUral]

You are mistaken, my friend, this power, beginning with Khrushchev, is ambiguous.

[Old old]

You are mistaken, my friend, this power, beginning with Khrushchev, is ambiguous.

Any state. power is ambiguous! A person always wants more and is rarely satisfied with power.

[Old old]

You are mistaken, my friend, this power, beginning with Khrushchev, is ambiguous.

Any state. power is ambiguous! A person always wants more and is rarely satisfied with power.

[kvapu1976]

Very correct thought.

[CONTROL]

[quote = GOR_XVII]Basarev... a concrete grave with a mummy of an ambiguous politician evokes a feeling of rejection among a huge number of Russian citizens. / quote]
None of the politicians, leaders of the country Russia is ambiguous! with rare exceptions! Lenin, Stalin ... Ivan the Terrible - oprichnina, yes, but! ... he limited the undivided influence of the boyars and clergy on the policy of the state! Peter the First - well, a little psychopath ... but a window to Europe (or rather the opposite - FROM Europe ...) Brezhnev is an unconditional rise and the creation of prerequisites ... unused and even ruined by the successors of power; and - the flourishing of a special class of "party bureaucracy" ... The Warsaw Pact is worth it! Not to mention Lenin and Stalin! And Khrushchev stood up for Cuba ... and against the nascent "crawl" of the Western world to the USSR! ...
Perhaps, Gorbachev is unequivocal ... Yeltsin ... well, here it is clear! ...

[Suhow]

a teddy bear = Yanukovych. By and large, the country and the government profiled, if not censorship would add a lot of unprintable things about them, and their guilt in subsequent events. And they are not patriots of their state and people, but like poop.

[Alexander P.]

Modern Russia is by no means miserable, as this parade testifies to, not everything is perfect of course, but we are moving in a positive direction. And yet, the Indians in the parade walked rightfully, they were a colony of England during the war and fought very actively with the Germans in its composition, in North Africa, for example, against Rommel.

[NordUral]

In vain minus, think better. The parade is good, very timely, as is the voyage to the Mediterranean with the Chinese. But we don’t lose memory, let’s recall an interesting fact - during the Stalin five-year plan, every second seven hours a new venture was launched, every seven! And this is without investors, loans and "help" from the West. So we think, compare and draw conclusions.
Yes, Putin may not be the worst option in the last quarter century, but I don't think it is the best. Corruption both flourished and flourishes, etc.

[perm23]

You are right, and not right. There was a different time. I think very good for us ordinary citizens, but another. And what, who is now ready to abandon stores with goods, from built cottages, houses, villas, cars and everything. Probably very few such people will be. After all, it’s not the ruler who is to blame, but his entourage. Who and how does their work. And we are guilty of whom we choose to power, as we ask from this power. And honestly, having come to power tomorrow, we will be able to not take, not steal ourselves. If we do not give bribes, then there will be no corruption. I've been chosen as the elder at home and that it is impossible to gather people for a meeting about the Criminal Code. Everyone has their own affairs and concerns, but everyone shouts to me that everyone is stealing, that something needs to be done. Like in the whole country, everyone is shouting but nobody wants to do it, they want someone to do everything for them. Well, it doesn’t happen like that.

[Sinbad]

You are right, like no one else. If you want to change the world around you, start with yourself.

[CONTROL]

Quote: NordUral

Corruption both flourished and flourishes, etc.

Corruption "flourished" in our country in the 60s of the last century!
Europe, for example, cannot cope with it for 300 years already ... Not to mention the USA and Asia! Bakshish, kalym are common nouns, purely "Russian", firmly established in our language ...
... the disease of mankind ...

[mervino2007]

CONTROLEurope, for example, cannot cope with it for 300 years already ..

Think it over! In Hong Kong, Chinese emigrants organized their state and passed a law under which
- punish only bribes
- police are allowed to provoke officials to bribe
- people were allowed to give bribes, receive services and report to the police
- Under this law, relatives of the president of Hong Kong are punished. After 3 years, corruption in Hong Kong has disappeared!
And these are the Chinese with 1000-year history of bribery!

[Sergey Vl.]

After 3 years, corruption in Hong Kong disappeared!

"The suite plays the king." This, alas, also applies to us.

[Vasek]

Quote: mervino2007

And these are the Chinese with 1000-year history of bribery!

In Hong Kong, completely different Chinese live.
And in China, corruption is worse than ours, despite the fact that they are shot for bribery there.

[Old old]

Yes, Putin may not be the worst option in the last quarter century, but I don't think it is the best. Corruption both flourished and flourishes, etc.

Think back to the 90s and compare with the present. It is impossible to destroy and instantly restore 20 years without resorting to the methods of war communism. And "corruption" is the favorite mantra of all "orange" revolutions and Maidans.

[Old old]

Yes, Putin may not be the worst option in the last quarter century, but I don't think it is the best. Corruption both flourished and flourishes, etc.

Think back to the 90s and compare with the present. It is impossible to destroy and instantly restore 20 years without resorting to the methods of war communism. And "corruption" is the favorite mantra of all "orange" revolutions and Maidans.

[maai]

Quote: NordUral

Yes, Putin may not be the worst option in the last quarter century, but I don't think it is the best. Corruption both flourished and flourishes, etc.

Everything is correct, but not one Putin is responsible for everything. There must be the right people both in the Government and on the street among citizens. You have to start with yourself, let everyone watch themselves and "don't pass by" - then the wheels will start turning.
Crimes must be fought hard. In Japan, crime is zero, because no one wants to defend their own in a cell the size of a meter per meter or try the death penalty. It has its own characteristics, but there is purity and no crime on the streets - because the punishment is inevitable. We do not have this. No order no progress.

[kvapu1976]

Is there really no sense in understanding that accepting a parade standing on the grave is the height of cynicism.

[SPLV]

Quote: kvapu1976

Is there really no sense in understanding that accepting a parade standing on the grave is the height of cynicism.

Of course, from the point of view of a true Christian, you are right! Perhaps the next proposal should be a ban on visiting burial mounds ... Or, perhaps, suggest living on trees in general - after all, almost all of our land was watered with a lot of blood. According to your logic, half of the cities would be leveled with the Earth, headed by Moscow - after all, they were erected on ancient burials. Or those graves are not considered - you are not familiar with the life history of those people?
Before you begin to declare your worldview, you must first have it. Worldview, not porridge from other people's phrases.

[San_jok]

You do not like the methods of GDP to restore the Russian economy?
remembered something about the IVS - do you need its methods?
))

[kavit]

Maybe it's just that the mausoleum is not needed, and it’s time to bury the meat?

[Yurban]

You are wrong, now or at the moment it was necessary to do so. Just think about it.

[saag]

Quote: vsoltan

I wonder how long they will bashfully drape the mausoleum?

Yes, it also hurt me somehow, why are the authorities hiding it so diligently ???

[Maks111]

I wonder how long they will bashfully drape the mausoleum? This is also our story.

Excuse me, please, but there are documents confirming that Lenin met with a German Kaiser before arriving in RI. In general, Lenin is a rather ambiguous person in the history of our country and there is no need to provoke the people into a new civil war.

[hydrox]

Quote: Max111

there is no need to provoke the people into a new civil war.

Do not provoke, know the place and time: the word is not a sparrow, but has the property of "a stone on the forehead"

[Mareman Vasilich]

There is a strong opinion that you absolutely do not know the question. Be kind, do not mislead people.

[GOR_XVII]

Over the thousand-year history of Russia, not one of the rulers of the country has done so much harm to it as Lenin, a bloody genius.

[vladkavkaz]

GOR_XVI
It is hardly stupid than what you gave out as an opinion.
You cannot call the so-called harm without once again repeating all the nonsense that all svanidza, teeth and other brewers with Radzinsky have been carrying for 30 years in a row, and for the fact that there are many benefits in Lenin’s activity, May 1945 says.

[Metallurgist]

The benefit that Lenin brought to the Russian state, point by point, please.
You, nickname Vladikavkaz, teach materiel, not express your nonsense here.

[vladkavkaz]

Metallurgist
You have knowledge of the materiel, only at the level of American dances, twerk-ass shakes, performed by lolitas, youngsters, so it’s better to be silent.
In that capacity, you
really, you know the materiel, but otherwise ...

[Metallurgist]

You do not jump from the topic. What benefit did Lenin bring to the Russian state?
If you do not know, then keep quiet, because your "awareness and knowledge" - apparently the result is "excellent" in history, and you probably passed the exam.

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: Metallurg

What benefit did Lenin bring to the Russian state?

What a subtle substitution of concepts.

The state is a form of political organization of society, and therefore Lenin did not bring any benefit to the Russian feudal state, as well as to the Russian bourgeois state.

But the Russian socialist state brought huge benefits to the state, being one of those who created it.

[Metallurgist]

Precisely, a very subtle substitution of concepts.
Following your logic, one should not confuse the Russian Empire and the Soviet state. And following your own logic ... I hope you remember how the USSR stands for? And where is the word "Russian" in this abbreviation?
Lenin destroyed (though not directly directly, but he actively contributed to this) the Russian Empire and founded the USSR. For the USSR - he is the creator of the state, for the Empire - he is one of its grave diggers.
Which, incidentally, does not negate the fact that more than enough blood was shed during it.

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: Metallurg

Following your logic, do not confuse the Russian Empire and the Soviet state

Exactly.

And following your own logic ... I hope you remember how the USSR stands for? And where is the word "Russian" in this abbreviation?

In another abbreviation - RSFSR.

Lenin destroyed (though not directly personally, but he actively contributed to this) the Russian Empire and founded the USSR

The Russian Empire ceased to exist on September 1, 17 in connection with the decision of the Provisional Government on the proclamation of the Russian Republic.

For the USSR - he is the creator of the state, for the Empire - he is one of its grave diggers.

Yes - for the feudal empire and the bourgeois republic, he is one of their grave diggers - I wrote about this in a previous comment.

Which, incidentally, does not negate the fact that more than enough blood was shed during it.

And with whom did it spill less?

[Metallurgist]

The RSFSR is a republic within the USSR

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: Metallurg

The RSFSR is a republic within the USSR

Of course: the USSR is a state entity, which is a union of equal republics, and?

[Metallurgist]

You generally catch the difference: the Russian Empire and the USSR.
The empire was destroyed, and then collected in pieces in the USSR. Not all, Finland left, Poland "was created" ...
Those. do you think trim is equal to the whole?

[vladkavkaz]

Metallurg RU
Not .. all the same, the twerk did his job, with the logic you obviously have a complete mess, since you do not learn what is written.
Neither Finland, which enjoyed autonomous rights in the Republic of Ingushetia, and even less so Poland with the same rights, is not needed by Russia-DAROM.
And if, besides Twerk, you don’t have enough mind, go to high school for a new one. To a good history teacher who will explain how Poland, after 1945, and Finland were not returned to Russia.
And for the educational program, the USSR returned Sakhalin and the islands that were lost under Nikolashka Besdarny to the Russian Federation, and finally formalized Tuva's entry into Russia. However, you have the knowledge how to make sense ...

[Metallurgist]

Well, look at the maps of the Republic of Ingushetia until 1913. So simple, for information.
Now about "not needed for nothing" ...
All wars were fought if you grossly discarded women and gold (which is the root cause for you) over territories, water and resources.
And here you are, another one: "Kemsky volost? Yes, take it! Don't need it for free!" (from)
So Sakhalin, following your logic, is necessary, but Finland is not necessary ...
You have mutually exclusive paragraphs. Treat your head with knowledge.

[vladkavkaz]

Metallurg RU
What’s with you, LIKBEZ to carry out, so that they would be dismissed, on what grounds was Finland and Poland part of the Republic of Ingushetia?
Have you even heard from the ear of the Constitution of Finland? And about the Principality of Warsaw?
According to the Constitution of the Kingdom of Poland, the Russian emperor appointed his governor to him. The position of Secretary of State for the Kingdom of Poland was established. The legislative body was the Sejm, elected by direct election by all classes on the basis of property qualifications.

All participants in the war with Russia on the side of Napoleon received an amnesty and had the right to enter the service in the state apparatus and in the army of the Kingdom of Poland. The commander of the Polish army was appointed by the Russian emperor as king of Poland. Many subjects of the Russian emperor were dissatisfied with the fact that those who participated in the war on the side of Napoleon and the defeated Poles received more rights than the winners.

Having entered the Russian Empire, retaining the operation of its laws, the administration, having a legislative authority, Poland simultaneously gained access to the Russian, and through Russia, to the Asian market for its goods. In order to reduce anti-Russian sentiment among the Polish nobility and the bourgeoisie, customs privileges were established for Polish goods. Many products of the Polish industry were taxed at 3%, while Russian at 15%, despite the fact that “Russian manufacturers yelled against this order” 1Kornilov A.A. The course of Russian history of the XIX century. M., 1993. S. 171 ..

The economic development of Poland, the growing influence of the national bourgeoisie intensified the desire for complete political independence and the restoration of the Polish sovereign state within the borders that existed before its first partition in 1772. In 1830, an uprising began in Poland, the main force of which was the army of the Kingdom of Poland. The Polish Sejm announced the deprivation of the Russian emperor of the Polish crown, thereby breaking the union between Poland and the Russian Empire.

After the suppression of the uprising by Russian troops, Emperor Nicholas I in 1832 issued an "Organic Status", repealing the Constitution of the Kingdom of Poland in 1815 and eliminating the Sejm, the Polish army. The Kingdom of Poland - this “internal abroad”, as it was called in the Russian Empire, was liquidated. Instead, the Warsaw Governor General is formed. Commander of the Russian troops, who suppressed the Polish uprising, Field Marshal I.F. Paskevich, who received the title of Prince of Warsaw.
For those who are very interested in having an eternal boil in Russia, you should read this material.
http://www.km.ru/referats/AA7837B45155469596824412306C7331

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: Metallurg

You generally catch the difference: the Russian Empire and the USSR

Of course I catch: RI is an agrarian feudal state with sluggishly developing capitalist relations, with a mass illiterate population, with a very low life expectancy, with the highest mortality rate (especially for children), a technologically backward industry in which 3/4 owned by foreigners was engaged mainly mining and primary processing (like Russia today).

The USSR is the exact opposite of RI.

The empire was destroyed, and then collected in pieces in the USSR. Not all, Finland left, Poland "was created" ...

Who ruined?

Those. do you think trim is equal to the whole?

I don’t think - just as I don’t think that once the conquered becomes yours forever and ever.

Actually, I did not understand the meaning of the last question.

[erg]

Initially, there was only the RSFSR (after the Bolsheviks came to power). The USSR was formed later, in the year 24. Then the RSFSR became one of the union republics of the new state.

[Victor Demchenko]

with EBNe and young dermocrates, the bloodshed was no less, only by other methods and methods. and now the same policy of gradual asphyxiation of the population continues, take at least a new optimization of healthcare, these plans are worth it!

[vladkavkaz]

Metallurg RU
You jump off the topic, stubbornly, brazenly and without proof, drawing analogies between what is happening in Ukraine and Russia 17.
And the analogy is in another place and DIRECT between Germany 20-30 and present Ukraine.
Comparison of what is happening today in Ukraine with the events of 1920-30. in Germany, reveals a striking resemblance. Then the party, which was perceived by the majority of the population as marginal, gained decisive political weight in the wake of dissatisfaction with the state of affairs in the country, came to power and established its dictatorship. Having occupied key government posts while formally retaining the presidency of Hindenburg, supporters of National Socialism quickly turned the country into a totalitarian state. The same thing happens with Ukraine: thanks to the connivance of the country's top officials, key government posts are held by supporters of neo-Nazi ideology, who were considered marginal just yesterday, and today are introducing the ideology of social nationalism in all spheres of life.
And all the nonsense that you scribbled down the branch, namely, there is nonsense to please the Alien.

[vladkavkaz]

Social-nationalism is another name for the ideology of Ukrainian integral nationalism, developed in 1920-40. and which, according to its creators, is a compilation of German Nazism and Italian fascism, adapted to Ukrainian conditions. The main conductor of this ideology was the terrorist Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN). One of the leaders of the OUN, Stepan Bandera, was sentenced to imprisonment in Poland for the terrorist act he committed, but in 1939 he was released by the Nazi occupation power and recruited by the Abwehr, nicknamed “Gray”. Today, Bandera takes the main place in the pantheon of heroes of the new Kiev regime. The Abwehr’s agents were also the first leader of the OUN, Yevgeny Konovalets (nicknamed “Consul”) and his successor Andrei Melnik (“Consul-2”). In 1940 was at the initiative of a group of radicals led by Bandera, a split broke out over the power struggle, and the organization split into two fiercely competing wings - OUN (m) (supporters of Miller) and OUN (b) (supporters of Bandera). Both wings were funded by Berlin and participated in the preparation of aggression against the USSR. From “Bandera” and “Melnik” not only punitive battalions were formed after the attack on the USSR, but also independent units such as the Nakhtigal and Roland special battalions, “OUN marching crows” and even the whole 14th SS division “Galichina”. The Nachtigal battalion under the command of Deputy Bandera Roman Shukhevych participated in the massacre of the Polish and Jewish population in Lviv in July 1941, and the Bukovinsky Kuren OUN (m) - in the extermination of Kiev Jews in Babi Yar. In March-April 1943, OUN (b) created its own military unit called the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA), immediately engaged in the destruction of the peaceful Polish population. According to Polish data, during the Volyn massacre, the UPA, with particular cruelty and sadism, destroyed from 80 to 200 thousand Poles, including women, the elderly and infants. Subdivisions of the SS division "Galicia" participated in punitive operations in Ukraine and Yugoslavia, in the suppression of the Warsaw Uprising in 1944. After the defeat of Nazi Germany, part of the UPA divisions broke through Slovakia, the Czech Republic and Austria and transferred to the American zone of occupation. Most of the "Bandera" and "Millers" who collaborated with the Nazis eventually settled in Canada, the United States and Great Britain. Those remaining on the territory of Ukraine were eventually arrested, convicted of war crimes and cooperation with the Nazis, and after serving the sentence returned to Western Ukraine. The revival of neo-Nazi organizations in Ukraine began in the late 1980s with underground student organizations in Lviv, created with the support of Canadian and American ounger emigrants. After Ukraine declared independence, many organizations appeared that declared them to be ideological followers of the OUN of the Bandera wing. These are UNA-UNSO, the Congress of Ukrainian Nationalists, the Patriot of Ukraine, the Social-National Party (renamed the All-Ukrainian Freedom Association in 2005), the Ukrainian National-Labor Party, the Social-Nationalist Assembly, the Trizub All-Ukrainian Association, and Sich " other.

[Metallurgist]

You are incorrigible.
For you, it turns out, there is a difference ... under what slogan to slaughter your fellow citizens. The main thing is to declare them the enemies of "everything light and progressive."
Since you are generally limited in imagination, you have to give a tough example.
How does the cry "mas.kalyaku. To gilyaku" differ from "hit the black-hoops"? There is no difference for you, just to provide the "correct" ideological base.
I'm trying to hammer you in that there is absolutely no difference when some citizens of the country call to slaughter other citizens of the country. This is a civil war. This is scary. This is bad for the country. But no, you don't care.
The difference between Ukraine 2014 and the Russian Empire, oh yes, forgive the RSFSR, and after the 1917 USSR, the Bolsheviks who came to power were able to arrange genocide of their people on a larger scale than the current rulers of Ukraine.
And in the first and second cases, what happened to the country is a tragedy of millions of citizens of the country. But for some reason you are denying the right to life alone.
In short. Since you are just a "hurray-patriot," who has heard a lot of slogans, and do not at all understand what you are talking about, I would recommend again: N. Starikov "Who ordered Russia."

[vladkavkaz]

Metallurg RU
Is everything all right with your head?
To me your monstrous hallucinations with a mishmash of rumors, gossip and direct distortion of the events taking place, are of little interest.
On what basis do you say that there was genocide of anyone in the UNION?
Who admitted in what court session?
You say to citizens, how then to look at these two citizens, Eggert and Goizman, at least here-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF4gPHbgGNU
Believe these two citizens?
It seems that you believe the others, Kokham, Svanidze, the other Pivovarovs, Zubovs, didn’t they take on a lot, if all their fuss, all their actions brought the country a loss of 12 million in the population, and damage to industrial facilities was worse than from Hitler’s invasion ?
The tragedy of millions?
Well, you can still sing to me a song about the notorious "marches of anger and unwanted millions", which cannot collect more than 20 thousand in Moscow.
You are extremely intellectually and historically LITTLE, a simpler lying person who can neither read nor absorb what has been read.

[Metallurgist]

No, still you are clinically incurable.
You about one thing, in jumping off the topic and about the other.
So the destruction of millions in the Civil War (both on one side and on the other) is not genocide, it’s like that, they went for a walk ... This, in your opinion, is not even a tragedy.
Unlike you, I don’t watch or listen, so I don’t have to ascribe my nightmares about anger marches.
The fact that you are not able to understand the whole tragedy of the Russian Empire during its collapse is already clear to everyone. The fact that you will justify any crime in a "beautiful wrapper" is also clear to everyone. The fact that you don't give a damn about the death of millions in a fratricidal war is more of a psychiatrist's responsibility.
Now you are still trying to call me a liar - you are an illiterate comedian, even if you find the right sources for reading.

[vladkavkaz]

Metallurgist
No need to wag. The Russian Empire, the liberals of that time, the aristocracy and industrialists, merchants and gesheftmahrara of all stripes collapsed. This is true, and not in your cries about the guilt of the alleged Bolsheviks in general and Lenin in particular.
You, an illiterate, have been given a comment who wanted civil, you stubbornly pretend you didn’t read, you don’t understand, BUT ANYTHING can be anything but idle cries about.
CIVIL, unleashed WHITE.
And from the one who started, from that demand-mind is not enough to understand?
A test for sanity, you obviously will not pass, because of the reason you are yelling white on black, but on green-square.
An illiterate person, with an aplomb for recognition, you don’t want to see the world see you, but in the circle of colleagues, respect is NULL.

[Metallurgist]

CIVIL, unleashed WHITE.

This is a complete paragraph.
And the civil war in Ukraine, following your logic. unleashed DNI and LC. Hooray! Patriotism Vladika won!

[Old old]

Metallurg RU
What benefit did Lenin bring to the Russian state?

A criterion for assessing the benefits and harms of a person for the state in the studio, please. And do not press on emotions ("bloody tyrant", etc.), otherwise you can recall the "lance shootings" of starving workers in Siberia, "Bloody Sunday", the Crimean and Russian-Japanese wars. This is not the point. How to measure "usefulness"?

[Metallurgist]

N. Starikov "Who ordered Russia" - read. I'm just tired of writing obvious things here.

[vladkavkaz]

Metallurg RU
It is necessary to lie less.

[mark7]

Quote: Metallurg

The benefit that Lenin brought to the Russian state, point by point, please.
You, nickname Vladikavkaz, teach materiel, not express your nonsense here.

The benefit is that he managed to tear out an abandoned and ruined country and not give it to the interventionists, who had already rubbed their hands and had already brought in troops by the way

[Metallurgist]

So, Lenin is the leader of an extremely radical part of the population, who have not yet called themselves Bolsheviks. Suffice it to recall his article: "The Worse, the Better." To wish defeat for your country during the war is yes, it is a merit.
The most interesting thing is that few people pay attention to the fact that Lenin and his comrades welcomed the Provisional Government.
For some reason, no one pays attention to the fact that it was the Lenin party that mainly called for terrorist activities during 1900-1917.
Even fewer people pay attention to the fact that Lenin acted under the leadership of English, and not German, intelligence.
And his merit, probably only in the fact that he simply "threw" his British employers. Collected, not all, the fragments of the Russian Empire in the USSR. I will also keep silent about the civil war and the surplus appropriation system, as well as about the peasant revolts. Especially about their suppression. And his attitude to the faith of the people. It is also significant.
In short: Lenin took an active part in the collapse of his state (the Russian Empire), in order to build something new, completely without thinking about the cost of this "perestroika" (sacrifice).
And if you carefully look at the time when the interventionists were introduced, you honor contemporaries of that time, you will perfectly understand that for the Russian state Lenin is an evil genius. A kind of Gorbachev for the USSR.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Metallurg

And if you carefully look at the time when the interventionists were introduced, you honor contemporaries of that time, you will perfectly understand that for the Russian state Lenin is an evil genius. A kind of Gorbachev for the USSR.

Not. Gorbachev for the Empire was Nicky. Weak and weak-willed, he, with his own hands, acting undoubtedly from well-meaning, led the Empire to collapse.

The party of Lenin in February 1917 was radically marginal, with no more than 20 members, of which a good part were abroad. And his contribution to the collapse of the Empire is immeasurably less than the contribution of the same Social Revolutionaries (if we take the left wing of the political parties of the Empire).

The undoubted leader in the collapse of the Empire should be considered the official elite of Russia. It was not Lenin who pressed against the emperor with a demand for abdication. It was not the Bolsheviks who commanded the fronts and sent Niki telegrams supporting his abdication. And it was not the Bolsheviks who brought the Empire to collapse in February 1917. This was done by those who sawed the budget of the Empire at the height of the war, selling shells 30-50-100% more expensive than the breech, and collecting state loans for "paper" factories, which had to be completed already the Bolsheviks. And then, in their irrepressible greed, they decided that they could manage the country better, and they needed more money from the budget. And at the height of the war, at first they staged riots in the capital, and then the abdication of the emperor.

Well, history judged them. Having gained all power in February 1917 and crushing its only rival, the Soviets, in July, by the end of August, the Temporary workers had lost control of the army. And by October - and over the country.

[goose]

Quote: Alexey RA

This was done by those who sawed through the budget of the Empire at the height of the war, selling shells 30-50-100% more expensive than the breech, and collecting state loans for "paper" factories, which had to be completed by the Bolsheviks.

As it turned out, a significant part of the 3-inch shells sold to the treasury was 3 times more expensive than state-owned factories. Despite the fact that several years before the war, state-owned factories were idle, although the shells were not enough according to the standards adopted after the Russo-Japanese.

[Erg]

Metallurgist. I agree with you. What is the "catch" of the situation that both Lenin and Kerensky worked for the same owner. And the story of the "capture" of Winter Palace and the "seizure" of power by the Bolsheviks is very "muddy". I think that no one tried to catch Kerensky. He honestly worked out his money (after General Alekseev, who carried out a military coup, did the same). The next stage was approaching - the coming to power of one of the best students of Parvus (Our dear Ilyich), the final collapse of Russia, the destruction of tens of millions of people, the transfer of its resources under external control, merciless plunder ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Erg

The next stage has come - the coming to power of one of the best students of Parvus (Our dear Ilyich), the final collapse of Russia, the destruction of tens of millions of people, the transfer of its resources to external control, merciless looting ...

The problem is that the Bolsheviks had their own opinion about the development of the situation after the seizure of power.
And personally, comrade VIL was a person utterly cunning ... wise. Live it now - would be the best example of Realpolitik. One Brest Peace is worth.

Therefore, before the seizure of power, the Bolsheviks and VIL could promise anything and to anyone. But taking power over 1/6 of the land, they further disposed of this power as the VIL and its faction considered it necessary, and not as foreign financiers planned. And those who came for Ilyich - and even more so. A tricky plan: to grant concessions and permits to joint ventures and foreign enterprises, to wait until the happy capitalists settle down - and then start to crush them with all the severity of revolutionary legislation. Result: factories are bought at a lower price, the USSR still has personnel - and the capitalists cry, prick, but continue to eat the cactus - Delivering equipment to the USSR and training specialists already as part of foreign purchases.

By the way, if you remember, in October 1917, it was not the Bolsheviks who took power at all. The Soviets took power, in which the Bolsheviks were only part of the coalition. And all its members also had agreed plans for the future. So what? Where are they, and where are the Bolsheviks in the same 1919?

[Erg]

You can’t argue with you ... But I want to remember one more sly. A native of Lenin's "company". This is Joseph Vissarionovich. That is exactly from whom they did not expect anything like that. Even Vladimir Ilyich ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Erg

But I want to remember one more sly. A native of Lenin's "company". This is Joseph Vissarionovich. That is exactly from whom "nothing of the kind was expected." Even Vladimir Ilyich ...

Yes ... but you could think about when the harsh and hot Caucasian highlander actually went down, leaving the Workers' Committee and the People's Commissariat for People's Commissars and leaving for himself the purely bureaucratic post of Secretary of the Central Committee. But, apparently, then "Iosif Vissarionovich" and "long-term intrigue" in the heads of the Bolshevik elite were not combined. Yes, and the joy of eliminating a competitor blanketed my eyes.
And then ... then it was too late: not a place colors a person, but a person a place. And little by little, the rank-and-file apparatus position, designed for the current work of an organizational and executive nature and for managing the party apparatus (in fact, what Poskrebyshev later did), has become the head of the party and country.

In general, in the mid-20s, such a spider-man was at the top ... judging by Simonov, only the Military Anxiety of 1927 tore off the political treasures and internal struggles of the Bolshevik elite, when it suddenly turned out that if everything was left to chance and not engage in real affairs ( industry and agricultural), that is, there are great chances to lose power, and, possibly, the head. Because it suddenly turned out that while at the top they were sharing portfolios and felling each other, the USSR did not have either an army or industry.

[Erg]

Respect. One can discuss Stalin's "mistakes" for a long time, but one cannot but admit that he had a very difficult time in the history of the state. And He did it! With honor!

[mark7]

Quote: Metallurg

you will understand that for the state of Russia, Lenin is an evil genius. A kind of Gorbachev for the USSR.

You will not understand a little that revolutions of such a plan and character do not pass bloodlessly and there were enough vultures there. Take Ukraine - everything is the same, only without ideology, moreover, you forget that the country was mostly agrarian in the main. And so, Lenin not a saint and Stalin, but they all learned from their mistakes too, and as for the surplus appropriation, the Master later punished everyone for excesses or almost everyone, just think about this, the idea itself was correct and led the country to the leaders on the earth's globe, I hate this word for "partners" - they also had enough of their own shit, all kinds of revolutions and depressions

[Metallurgist]

STOP!
So we went to the cornerstone.
You condemn the Maidan in Ukraine, but there is no revolution in the Russian Empire?
What are these double standards? After all, both there and there - the customer is one and the same!
Hypocritical of you, don’t you?

[vladkavkaz]

Metallurg RU
You had to read another stupid thing in your performance, with such a link, are you an illiterate interpreter of the events of a hundred years ago trying to combine the Nazi rebellion on the Maidan in Kiev and the personnel of V.I. Lenin with the events of October 1917? If the Empire was destroyed in February, the forerunner of the current liberals, who they jump everywhere and in everything they support exactly the Nazi in fact the Junta in Kiev?

[Metallurgist]

The liberals destroyed the empire ... well, let the liberals, be it your way.
So what is the difference between the slogan: mo.skal.yaku on gilyaku from beat the bourgeois?
That in the first case on a national basis and in the second on a social basis?
And all?
The consequences here and there are the same: the collapse of the state and the civil war. But you don’t see it either.
The right sector wants war, but the Bolsheviks also wanted the same.
The right sector arranges purges, the Bolsheviks also did.

In short, you are a complete zero in matters of history, a kind of "hurray-patriot", and very narrow-minded. Tired of explaining to you things that are simple in essence. Read: N. Starikov "Who ordered Russia" - there are answers to all your questions. Maybe it will help, although judging by you - I doubt it.

[vladkavkaz]

Metallurg RU
Do you have close acquaintance with twerks and other rubbish in your head?
Or are you one in VO, a kind of which you deign — in one comment you advocate socialism, in another, as here you compare socialism with terry nationalism — you have at least some OWN point of view, and not work for a fee, as please?
"So what is the difference between the slogan: mo.skal.yaku on gilyaku from beat the bourgeoisie" -DIFFICULT to guess? In the question, the answer is that everyone who has the wrong face, regardless of the state (although this is far from the fact "get out of the country or destroy, so how was it done in Nazi Germany-HISTORY is not taught?
What is bourgeois, something valuable in society, bloodsuckers eating in three throats at the expense of working people?
"The consequences are the same here and there - the collapse of the state and the civil war" -Yes ?? And what, in this case, did the heirs of the liberals through more than one generation in the 90s in the USSR? Only now the difference is palpable, in the first case the Power destroyed the consolidated military the strength of the West (and this is not only the troops as such, this is from education to medicine, industry and agriculture, the advantages of socialist construction) And what are the liberals Vasilyeva and Shenderovich showing with the Kochs and Makarevichs?
"The right sector wants war, but the Bolsheviks wanted the same." - The Bolsheviks wanted war? Who did you get this nonsense from?
"The right sector is organizing the purges, the Bolsheviks did too. 2-Lustrations in Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, the USA - do they remind you of anything?

In ONE word, tidy up your semolina in your head.

[vladkavkaz]

Metallurg RU
Try to read the comments, otherwise look extremely stupid.

How did the civil war arise, who is responsible for this?

The Bolsheviks did not want a civil war. However, a different point of view is now spreading: as if the war was caused solely by the intransigence of the Bolsheviks. A considerable degree of bias is needed to insist on this, not to mention the falsification of Lenin’s direct assurances that "we do not want a civil war," "we are against a civil war." It takes tremendous power of imagination to imagine a political party, which, having come to power, consciously seeks from the very beginning to create the worst conditions for its own rule. Archival documents, facts, and memories disprove such fabrications. The Bolsheviks were well aware that any war, including civil war, poses a threat to revolutionary conquests, sacrifices and suffering to the masses, and impedes the solution of creative tasks. The Bolsheviks did not give priority to violence.

Recall only some historical facts. - Even before October, the Bolsheviks put forward a whole program of struggle for the peaceful development of the revolution. After Kornilovism, in order to avoid a civil war, they sought an alliance with the Mensheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries. Having come to power, to expand its social support, they went on to create a bloc with the Left Social Revolutionaries not only in the Soviets, but also in the government.

It seems to us that many political parties of Russia are to some extent guilty of unleashing a civil war. But it was unleashed by the right Social Revolutionaries and representatives of other parties, united in the so-called "democratic counter-revolution."
The great disaster for the peoples of Russia was, says historian L. Spirin, that the internecine war put on different sides the front lines of the carriers of the socialist idea: the Bolsheviks on the one hand, and the Mensheviks and Socialist Revolutionaries on the other. The civil war, therefore, began with the war between the socialists. - This is what lies on the surface. However, there were underlying reasons: the October Revolution, the first fundamental socio-economic transformations, and the growing influence of the Soviet government caused fierce resistance from the overthrown exploiting classes.
In 1917 - 1918, the Russian bourgeoisie and landlords lost power and large property, huge class privileges.

[Erg]

Respected. The overthrow of legitimate authority has never led to anything good. So we were taught at school that the Decembrists are good. Volodya’s brother wanted to blow up the tsar - it’s not bad either ... But in fact they are ordinary terrorists and enemies of the state (read, people). Was it not so in Kiev?

[vladkavkaz]

ErgSU
Go to school, go to school, run a march, to the 1st grade, to learn numeracy, literacy and a calendar. Then finally learn that February is much earlier than October.
And in Ukraine, a direct Nazi rebellion, to school, to learn history.
The fact that neo-Nazis are preparing a coup was known many months before the Maidan. At a rally in honor of the UPA in October 2012, a member of the senior leadership of Svoboda urged the neo-Nazis to “cultivate a militaristic spirit” and “master the weapons to fight the occupying power”. Her colleague Yuri Mikhalchishin specified that it was necessary to prepare for urban battles and threatened to “feed the enemies of the Ukrainian nation,” primarily Russians and Jews, with asphalt. A year later, the leadership of "Trident" at a press conference announced their plans to take power in the country and destroy the "enemies of the nation." The training of the militants, including mine-demolition work, the seizure of buildings, knife fighting, assault mountaineering, was carried out by the UNSO and the Patriot of Ukraine formally separated from Liberty, on the basis of which members of the Liberty were trained. In the “Memo”, published in the third issue (2010) of the Banderovets newspaper, each member of the organization is required to master the art of hand-to-hand combat, increase endurance and the level of possession of small arms and cold steel. The purpose of these skills is described in the same issue of the newspaper: to seize power, which will take place soon. These organizations, as well as outright racists and anti-Semites, such as the "White Hammer" fighters for the purity of the white race, became the main fighting force of the armed coup in Kiev in February 2014. From the militants of these organizations (by analogy with the SA assault units), "hundreds of Maidan self-defense" were formed. Following the example of the Nazi "Zig! Heil! ” the main greeting of Maidan-2014 was the password and recall of the nationalists-Bandera "Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes! ”, Which eventually turned into a semi-official pan-Ukrainian greeting and quite official in the Ukrainian army. The greeting is accompanied by a raising of the right hand in a known gesture. The second, semi-official flag of Ukraine was the red-black banner of the OUN, conveying the symbolism of the concepts “blood and soil” borrowed from Nazi ideologists. Part of the "hundreds of self-defense", consisting of members of neo-Nazi organizations, with the outbreak of hostilities was reorganized into "special battalions" and "territorial battalions" of the National Guard. In them, as in SS, a careful selection takes place not only according to physical data, but also on adherence to the ideology of Ukrainian integral nationalism. These battalions prefer the color of the form of SS units, some of them wear chevrons with the symbols of the SS divisions. For example, the Azov battalion, formed from members of the Patriot of Ukraine and the Social-Nationalist Assembly, uses the Wolfsangel rune of the Das Reich division.

[Erg]

Thanks for the detailed answer. Only I did not understand about February and October.

[vladkavkaz]

Erg
If you do not understand, go to school, to study in detail what is the difference between the bourgeois revolution of February 17 and the collapse of the country and October 17, as the beginning of the country's assembly, on the new principle of social structure.

[Erg]

I do not understand what is wrong with you. Where did you see inconsistencies in my words?

[Metallurgist]

Do not pay attention to Vladikavkaz - everything is running with brains there. Frenzied cheers-patriotism. If he slip any topic into a beautiful wrapper, he will go for it, so don’t look for meaning in his words, there’s no way for the psychiatrist to figure it out.

[Erg]

Thanks. There were such suspicions. I came across this friend in the topic "April 12". Our friend is an ardent admirer of American achievements in the field of "lunar exploration". He gave me heat there

[Erg]

Hey, friend, I see normal language is not clear. Has it suffered? I'm not a boy. Teach your offspring about the difference in revolutions, leader. You have a concrete mess in your head. I will explain on my fingers (stress on the second syllable). So, if you don't understand, Both 1905 (attempt), and February (stage), and October (next stage) are acts of the same action. Customer - Wall Street. Take an interest in what laws the Kerensky government adopted on "soldiers' deputies", knowing in advance that this will lead to the collapse of the army, what law on "socialization (nationalization) of women" was adopted by the Bolsheviks. white ... You, as if you just hatched out of an egg, have not read anything except scientific communism. Although you understand that in those distant times there was an outright genocide of the people of Russia (as it is now in Ukraine) ... I did not understand, what are you? - do you want to dump Putin? Did you miss the revolution?

[mark7]

[quote = Metallurgist] STOP! [/ [quote = Metallurgist] STOP!
So we went to the cornerstone.
You condemn the Maidan in Ukraine, but there is no revolution in the Russian Empire?
What are these double standards? After all, both there and there - the customer is one and the same!
Hypocritical of you, don’t you? [/ Quote]
I don’t find it, because I gave an example of these revolutions, and I don’t support one of them, but since it happened, the Bolsheviks were at the right time, and not without excesses, but they could make us proud of our country, by the way of which we and are obliged to Soviet education, and how to know under the tsar ... there Zhukov would be so in furriers ...

[Erg]

Well, what's the matter, friend? Why condemn the Maidan and the junta? It's too early. We’ll wait another 15-20 years - maybe they will make Ukrainians proud of their country. And who knows ... Vaughn, Turchinov, under the old regime, he could have vegetated ...

[mark7]

Quote: Metallurg

Hypocritical of you, don’t you?

ps minus I did not put you, yet the topic is interesting and the interlocutor

[psiho117]

Quote: mark7

The benefit is that he managed to tear out an abandoned and ruined country and not give it to the interventionists, who had already rubbed their hands and had already brought in troops by the way

You can instruct me here a bunch of minuses, but the fact is that he also ruined this country.
Settled bydlobunt, led by Lazars, Katz, Kogany, Bronstein and other liquid Massonian abomination.
This human rot raised the revolution in the country during the war!
During the life of Lenin, millions of Russian people were destroyed, the color of the nation - RUSSIAN NOBILITY, RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE, CASE OF RUSSIAN OFFICERS, RUSSIAN INDUSTRIALISTS, RUSSIAN MERCERS.
Moreover, all these estates and classes were DESTROYED AT THE ROOT - NOT ONLY MEN, BUT WOMEN, CHILDREN, OLD OLDERS. It was genocide of the Russian people by the Jews, with the connivance and direct participation of your "hero" Lenin ...

Well, convince me of how good he is, our talanted bald Fuhrer ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: psiho117

You can instruct me here a bunch of minuses, but the fact is that he also ruined this country.
Settled bydlobunt, led by Lazars, Katz, Kogany, Bronstein and other liquid Massonian abomination.
This human rot raised the revolution in the country during the war!

Learn the story.
The February 1917 riot was planned and organized by the noble gentlemen from the Duma, the owners "factories, newspapers, steamboats"and the highest military elite.
Guchkov, Ryabushinsky, Shulgin, Alekseev, Kerensky and other "Temporary trash" would be very surprised to learn that they are considered Bolsheviks.

It was they who paved the way for the Bolsheviks, first having thrown off the emperor, and then for six months about ... loving all the power they have. As a result, the coalition of Social Revolutionaries and Bolsheviks in October really just picked up power in Russia - since the temporary workers by this time had no control over anything.

[psiho117]

I hope you do not dispute the fact of the genocide of the Russian people by the Jews? Conducted joyfully, with songs and slogans, with the full connivance and feasible help of the Bolsheviks, led by Lenin.
It is good that almost all of this fraternity soon died ... Who themselves killed each other (all Jews divided Mother Russia among themselves), and Stalin uprooted the rest, bow to him for that.

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: psiho117

I hope the fact of the genocide of the Russian people

And where can one look at this fact?

[Metallurgist]

Look at the number of casualties during the Civil War. Add starvation, disease. Add the executed to 1924 (until the death of Lenin).
Get an approximate figure. This is genocide. I won’t tell whose, but the fact that part of the Russian people (and I include both Tatars and Buryats and the peoples of the Caucasus) was destroyed, let’s say, by fellow citizens — it is undeniable.

[vladkavkaz]

Metallurg RU
Again LIKBEZ read ... Well read, just illiterate.
Civil war is the most acute form of struggle for state power between classes and social groups within a country, when contradictions and clashes turn into armed struggle. The civil war is characterized by extreme bitterness and tension. It involves, as a rule, not only the army, but also huge sections of the population. It differs from other wars by an immeasurably greater complexity.
It seems that it is necessary to see the difference between the time when the armed struggle was relatively limited, and the time when it was the main content of the country's life. Of course, immediately after the October Revolution, the hostile forces began, along with economic sabotage and political confrontation, to launch an armed struggle. But still, from October 1917 to the summer of 1918, the conclusion of the Brest Peace was the main thing in the life of the state. This respite allowed them to pay maximum attention to the economy. This period is a kind of intermediate state of getting out of the imperialist war and “creeping” into the civil war.

From the summer of 1918 to the end of 1920, the civil war merged into a single whole with military intervention, when the military question became the main, fundamental one, on whose decision the fate of the revolution depended; when the whole life of the Soviet Republic had to be subordinated to the task “Everything for the front, everything for the victory over the enemy!”
DENY ANTANTA'S help WHITE, will you?

[vladkavkaz]

How did the civil war arise, who is responsible for this?

The Bolsheviks did not want a civil war. However, a different point of view is now spreading: as if the war was caused solely by the intransigence of the Bolsheviks. A considerable degree of bias is needed to insist on this, not to mention the falsification of Lenin’s direct assurances that "we do not want a civil war," "we are against a civil war." It takes tremendous power of imagination to imagine a political party, which, having come to power, consciously seeks from the very beginning to create the worst conditions for its own rule. Archival documents, facts, and memories disprove such fabrications. The Bolsheviks were well aware that any war, including civil war, poses a threat to revolutionary conquests, sacrifices and suffering to the masses, and impedes the solution of creative tasks. The Bolsheviks did not give priority to violence.

Recall only some historical facts. - Even before October, the Bolsheviks put forward a whole program of struggle for the peaceful development of the revolution. After Kornilovism, in order to avoid a civil war, they sought an alliance with the Mensheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries. Having come to power, to expand its social support, they went on to create a bloc with the Left Social Revolutionaries not only in the Soviets, but also in the government.

It seems to us that many political parties of Russia are to some extent guilty of unleashing a civil war. But it was unleashed by the right Social Revolutionaries and representatives of other parties, united in the so-called "democratic counter-revolution."
The great disaster for the peoples of Russia was, says historian L. Spirin, that the internecine war put on different sides the front lines of the carriers of the socialist idea: the Bolsheviks on the one hand, and the Mensheviks and Socialist Revolutionaries on the other. The civil war, therefore, began with the war between the socialists. - This is what lies on the surface. However, there were underlying reasons: the October Revolution, the first fundamental socio-economic transformations, and the growing influence of the Soviet government caused fierce resistance from the overthrown exploiting classes.
In 1917 - 1918, the Russian bourgeoisie and landlords lost power and large property, huge class privileges.
In unleashing a civil war and Russia, the role of international imperialism is also great. The civil war would not have acquired such a scale and duration without foreign interference in the internal affairs of the Soviet Republic. According to the White Guard historian A. Zaitsev, at some stages of the war, "the internal forces of the Russian counter-revolution were close to zero and" the hope for the help of the allies inspired the fighters against the Bolsheviks ... The intervention of the allies in our civil war promised her a quick victorious end. "

[vladkavkaz]

Entente countries made serious plans to support the anti-Bolshevik movement. At the end of 1917, England and France agreed on military intervention against the Soviet Republic and on the division of spheres of influence in it. It was assumed that the United States and Japan will carry out predatory actions in the Far East and Siberia, England - in the Don, Kuban and Transcaucasia, France - in Ukraine and Crimea, Bessarabia. German troops continued the occupation of Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic states. Immediately after the conclusion of the Brest Peace and the withdrawal of Russia from the World War, the Allies began to carry out their plans.
In March 1918, British, American and French troops landed in Murmansk and Arkhangelsk; in April - American and Japanese troops - in Vladivostok; the French — in Odessa, the English — captured Baku and invaded Turkestan, where the Trans-Caspian Front was formed. German troops, violating the Brest Treaty, invaded the Don, North Caucasus, Armenia, Georgia, captured Crimea.

The role of shock force was assigned to the Czechoslovak corps. His rebellion at the end of May 1918 served as a detonator of the civil war. The corps began to form before the October Revolution from prisoners of the Austro-Hungarian army under the leadership of the Czechoslovak National Council. After the revolution and Russia's withdrawal from the war, the Soviet government allowed Czechs and Slovaks to travel through Siberia and the Far East to France. But Entente leaders decided to use the corps in their anti-Soviet interests. At the end of May and the beginning of June 1918, he, stretching out in echelons along the railway from Penza to Vladivostok, raised a rebellion with the help of the White Guards, Socialist-Revolutionaries and Mensheviks, although a significant portion of the prisoners refused to oppose the workers and peasants.

Thus, by mid-1918, Soviet Russia was in the ring of fronts.

Judging by the cries of a twerk lover, all these invaders, from the Czechs to the Japanese, from the British, Romanians, French and Americans, directly glowed with love for the Russian and our other peoples, which distributed exclusively bagels and cookies like Nuland, though the result of such cookies as now in Ukraine, brother against brother, the WHITE AGAINST RUSSIA as such, which they would not shout now and no matter how they try to state the opposite.

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: Metallurg

Look at the number of casualties during the Civil War. Add starvation, disease. Add the executed to 1924 (until the death of Lenin).
Get an approximate figure. This is genocide.

Without further ado, I look at the wiki cunningly and see a figure of 10.5 million - the devil knows how super mortality was considered and whom they wrote to it, but let it be.
After that, I look at the average life expectancy in the Republic of Ingushetia at 32 years, look at the level of child mortality (60% of all deaths were children under the age of 4), and I understand that it was worth it.

Although for the sake of fairness, it is worth noting that for these probable 10.5 million thanks, it is necessary to say not to the Bolsheviks, but to the white, and their overseas friends - this is the first.

And 2nd: Genocide in the Encyclopedic Dictionary - (from Greek genos - kind - tribe and Latin caedo - I kill), in international law - one of the gravest crimes against humanity, the extermination of certain groups of the population on racial, national, ethnic or religious grounds , as well as the deliberate creation of living conditions designed for the complete or partial physical destruction of these groups, as well as measures to prevent childbearing in their environment (biological genocide).

A remarkable definition, from a comparison of which with the above it can be seen that the elements of genocide were regularly encountered until the 17th year, and not after it.

I will not say whose

And you try - with what GV began, what did each of the parties want?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: psiho117

I hope you do not dispute the fact of the genocide of the Russian people by the Jews? Conducted joyfully, with songs and slogans, with the full connivance and feasible help of the Bolsheviks, led by Lenin.

If by genocide you mean Civil and both terror, then this "genocide" for the most part was carried out by the "God-bearing people". Non-Jews happily carried out decossackization - the same Cossack idle people and nonresidents, who remembered all the good things to their neighbors and relatives. Non-Jews cut / hung / shot / burned neighbors in the village. It was not the Jews who turned over their acquaintances to the Cheka or counterintelligence.
However, what else to expect: abruptly released "brakes" + a mass of weapons on hand - and here it is, Russian revolt - senseless and merciless.

In Ukraine, for example, they slaughtered each other quite autonomously and independently:

There were dreary rumors that only the Bolsheviks can cope with the hetman and German misfortune, but the Bolsheviks have their own misfortune:
- Jews and commissars.
- Here is the bitter little head of Ukrainian men!
Nowhere is there salvation !!
There were tens of thousands of people who returned from the war and were able to shoot ...
“But the officers themselves learned by order of their superiors!”
Hundreds of thousands of rifles buried in the ground, hidden in clams and lockers and not surrendered, despite German military courts coming fast, flogging and shrapnel firing, millions of rounds in the same land and three-inch guns in every fifth village and machine guns in every second, in the whole town, warehouses of shells, arsenals with overcoats and hats.
And in these same towns, teachers, paramedics, classmates, Ukrainian seminarians who, by the will of fate, became ensigns, the hefty sons of beekeepers, captains with Ukrainian surnames ... everyone speaks Ukrainian, everyone loves a magical, imagined Ukraine, without lords, without lords Moscale officers, and thousands of former Ukrainian prisoners who returned from Galicia.
This is in the appendage to tens of thousands of peasants? .. Oh-hoo!

[goose]

Quote: psiho117

RUSSIAN NOBILITY

Quote: psiho117

RUSSIAN INDUSTRIALISTS, RUSSIAN MERCHANTS

Read how the above behaved before the time of Russian-Japanese and World War I. Well, the February revolution during the war is their business. Lenin only deftly seized power from them.

[Referent]

I am not a historian and I will answer purely in my personal life:
I quote: "During Lenin's life, millions of Russian people were destroyed" - YOU are now alive and well on this site, you polemicize and oppose - it means that your ancestors survived, you were born and raised.
I quote: "Millions of Russian people were destroyed, the color of the nation is the RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT, RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE, THE CORPS OF RUSSIAN OFFICERS, RUSSIAN INDUSTRIES, RUSSIAN KUPTSY". - My grandfather and grandmother from the Pskov region are peasants, and at the time of the Republic of Ingushetia they would have been my parents, and I probably would. I consider the Soviet period of my childhood, youth, adult life a blessing. In the Russian Empire, I could not become a nobleman, officer, merchant. And why? I also want to !!! The Soviet period gave everyone equal opportunities for social lifts. The fact that people of Jewish nationality participated in the revolution is a matter of separate study (why, why, how, etc.?).
Yes ..... and yet ..... I am a supporter of the views to select the loot and share. Perhaps it would have been the same in the Russian Empire, and if not for Lenin, perhaps I would have been at the head of the revolution? Of course I apologize, I do not suffer from delusions of grandeur - thinking aloud. But .... the October Revolution happened and we are now alive and well, we are sitting in computers, and how would it be if ..... - pure demagogy. Are you psiho117 either too young or from the White Guard deficiencies (while you survived the genocide?).

[mark7]

Quote: psiho117

Well, convince me of how good he is, our talanted bald Fuhrer ...

Why convince, just read the comments of people more closely, they write that the Bolshevik party was in the minority and abroad, and just picked up the power so that you all will not recover from propaganda, and Starikov very cleverly describes everything

[Erg]

I fully support.

[Erg]

Have you completely fallen off your horse? Respected. Please take the trouble to take a little interest in the history of Your country. I don't see any point in explaining to you point by point. You are not ready for this. But first, take an interest in the population of the Republic of Ingushetia in 1916, and then in 1926. Even Wikipedia does not lead you to "sad" thoughts. And then comprehend the meaning of the word "concession", and how it relates to Russia of the above-mentioned period. The country was under external control. Maidan is before your eyes. And the same organizers. Is it hard to draw parallels?

[vladkavkaz]

ErgSU
It turns out to be difficult .. but why are you doing this, trying to draw parallels between October 17 and the maydaunas in Kiev?

[psiho117]

Quote: vladkavkaz

It turns out to be difficult .. but why are you doing this, trying to draw parallels between October 17 and the maydaunas in Kiev?

Yes, then, that you point blank do not see how mirror-like the situation is:

we look at who is in power then:

- Council of People's Commissars:
Chairman of SNK Lenin (Ulyanov) - Russian
Commissioner for Foreign Affairs Chicherin - Russian
Nationality Commissioner Stalin (Dzhugashvili) - Georgian
Agriculture Commissioner Proshyan - Armenian
Commissioner of the Army and Navy Trotsky (Bronstein) - Jew
Chairman of the Supreme Economic Council Larin (Lurie) - Jew
Commissioner for the restoration of Schlichter Jew
Commissioner Goszemel Kaufman-Hebrew
State Control Commissioner Lander - Jew
Public Works Commissioner Schmidt W. - Jew
Commissioner of Social Charity Lilina (Knigissen) - Jewish
Commissar of the People's Initiation Lunacharsky (Bailikh) - Jew
Religious Commissar Svalbard - Jew
Public Health Commissioner Anvelt - Jew
Commissar of the Interior Zinoviev (Apfelbaum) - Jew
Finance Commissioner Gukovsky - Jew
Printing Commissioner Volodarsky (Kogan) - Jew
Uritsky Election Commissioner - Jew
Justice Commissioner Steinberg - Jew
Shegintein Commissioner for Evacuation - Jew
and his assistants:
Raevich - a Jew
Zoslavsky - a Jew

- we look at who is in power on the outskirts now:

- Speaker of the Parliament - Alexander Turchinov - Jew
- President of Ukraine - Petro Poroshenko - Jew
- Prime Minister - Arseniy Yatsenyuk - Jew
- Minister of Finance - Alexander Shlapak - Jew
- Vice Prime Minister - Vladimir Groisman - Jew
- Minister of the Interior - Arsen Avakov - Armenian Jew
- Minister of Culture - Sergey Nischuk - semi-Jew, Freemason
- Director of the National Bank - Stepan Kubiv - Jew
- Yulia Katelman (Tymoshenko) - Jewish
- Vitali Klitschko (Etinson) - Jewish father
- Oleg Frotman (Tyagnibok) - Jew for his mother.
- Dmitry Yarosh - Jew
Jewish Oligarchs of Ukraine: 8 billionaires. ALL JEWS.
The oligarchs of Ukraine are 95 percent Jews.
The owners of media holdings and all major television channels are Jews.

[psiho117]

- Let's go further: the shooting of the riot by the "alleged" authorities - there is Bloody Sunday, here - the Heavenly Hundred.
- The slogans "take away and divide" - they took away factories, newspapers, steamers from some oligarchs (mostly Russians) and gave them to others (mostly Jews); here - they took the Yanukovychs (Russians) from the Donetsk clan and gave them to Valtsman-Kolomoisky-Firtash (Jews).
- Then: The slogan "who was nobody - he will become everything!" (a bunch of mud floated up, killed, robbed, hiding behind a revolutionary mandate).
Now - "people's" lustration, hundreds of Maidan, raider seizures, murders of dissent. All - under the guise of "Maidan veche" or even insolently. Well, figley, now our power.
Then - the ears of British intelligence, in the mess being created, were not visible only to the blind. Now - Instructions for rebellion are issued right at the American Embassy (Americans with Brita sang for a long time and hard).
Then, the once-large, successful country has been in ruins for years, those who came to power have no idea of ​​governing the state, only throw themselves with crackling slogans. millions of refugees - doctors \ teachers \ engineers \ military \ intelligentsia.
Now - Ukraine is in the ass, the national debt is growing 8% per month, unemployment is 1,5 million per year, The number of refugees in Russia alone has exceeded one and a half lard. The authorities are exactly the same mediocrity, only replaced "Workers of all countries, unite!" on "Ukraine Ponad USE".
Only then, in the end, did Stalin shorten them all to the head ...
In the modern scenario, the puppeteers took into account the mistakes of the past - now there is no one to kill the Maidan abomination, neither Beria nor Stalin are alive.

And there are a lot of such analogies. You still do not see the similarity of the script?

[Erg]

117 I take off my hat. The people here do not see the forest for the trees. A simple analysis is sufficient. You just need to familiarize yourself with the generic accessories of the "leaders of the revolution", trace their connections, social circle, sources of funding. There are many paths that lead to Wall Street. And yet - why did trans-national corporations need to hand over power to the people? Land for the peasants? Factory workers? Caring what. People, Look at Ukraine and turn on your brain.

[Vasilich.feo]

1.5 lard of refugees is you bent. There are not so many in Ukraine.

[Kukish]

Where do you copy this anti-Semitic nonsense from?
For a long time already these nonsense have been sorted ..


The national composition of the Council of People's Commissars of Soviet Russia is still the subject of speculation.

Andrei Dikiy in his work “Jews in Russia and the USSR” claims that the composition of the SNK allegedly was as follows:

Council of People's Commissars (Council of People's Commissars, SNK) 1918 g .:
Lenin - chairman, Chicherin - foreign affairs, Russian; Lunacharsky - enlightenment, Jew; Dzhugashvili (Stalin) - nationalities, Georgians; Protian - agriculture, Armenian; Larin (Lurie) - Economic Council, Jew; Schlichter - supply, Jew; Trotsky (Bronstein) - army and navy, Jew; Lander - state control, Jew; Kaufman - state property, Jew; V. Schmidt - work, Jew; Lilina (Knigissen) - public health, Jewish woman; Svalbard - cults, Jew; Zinoviev (Apfelbaum) - internal affairs, Jew; Anvelt - hygiene, Jew; Isidor Gukovsky - finance, Jew; Volodarsky - seal, Jew; Uritsky — elections, Jew; I. Steinberg - justice, Jew; Fengstein - refugees, Jew.

In total, of the 20-ty of people's commissars - one Russian, one Georgian, one Armenian and 17 Jews.
Yuri Emelyanov in his work “Trotsky. Myths and personality ”provides an analysis of this list. The analysis shows that the “Jewish” character of the Council of People's Commissars was obtained through fraud: it was not the first composition of the Council of People's Commissars that was published in the decree of the Second Congress of Soviets, but only those drug commissions that had ever been headed by Jews were pulled out of the many times changing SNK compositions. So, Trotsky L. D., appointed to this post on April 8, 1918, is mentioned as the people's commissar for military and naval affairs, and Schlichter A.G., who really occupied this one, is indicated as the people's commissar for food (here: "supply") fasting, but only until February 25, 1918, by the way, was not a Jew either (Schlichters are Polish landowners of German origin). At the time when Trotsky really became a drug commander, the Great Russian A. Zurup instead of Schlichter had already become

[Kukish]

Another method of fraud is the invention of a number of never existing drug addicts [16]. So, Andrei Dikim in the list of people's commissariats mentioned the never-existent people's commissariats for cults, elections, refugees, and hygiene. Volodarsky is referred to as the People's Commissar of the press; in fact, he was indeed the commissar of the press, propaganda and agitation, but not the people's commissar, a member of the Council of People's Commissars (that is, actually the government), but the commissar of the Union of Northern Communes [17] (regional union of Soviets [18] [19]), an active conductor of the Bolshevik Press Decree [20].

And, on the contrary, the list does not contain, for example, the actually existing People’s Commissariat of Railways and the People’s Commissariat of Posts and Telegraphs. As a result, Andrei Dikogo does not even agree on the number of drug addicts: he mentions the number 20, although there were 14 people in the first squad, in 1918 the number was increased to 18.

Some posts are indicated with errors. So, the chairman of the Petrosoviet Zinoviev G.E. is mentioned as a people's commissar, although he never held this position. The post and telegraph drug Proshyan (here - “Protian”) is attributed the leadership of “agriculture”.

Jewish people are arbitrarily attributed to a number of people, for example, to the Russian nobleman A.V. Lunacharsky, the Estonian Anvelt Y. Ya., Russified Germans Schmidt V.V., Lander K.I., Schlichter A.G. and others.

Some individuals are generally fictitious: Spitsberg (possibly referring to the investigator of the VIII liquidation department of the People’s Commissariat, Spitsberg I. A., famous for his aggressive atheistic position [21] [22]), Lilina-Knigissen (possibly referring to actress Lilina M. P ., who never entered the government, or Lilina (Bernstein) Z. I., who was also not a member of the Council of People's Commissars, but who worked as the department of public education at the executive committee of the Petrosoviet), Kaufman (perhaps I mean Cadet A. Kaufman, for some sources, attracted by the Bolsheviks as an expert in the development of land reform, but never included in the Council of People's Commissars).

Also on the list are two leftist Social Revolutionaries, whose Bolshevism is not indicated in any way: People's Commissar of Justice I. Steinberg (referred to as “I. Steinberg”) and People's Commissar of Posts and Telegraphs Proshyan P. P., referred to as “Protian Agriculture” . Both politicians reacted extremely negatively to post-October Bolshevik politics. Before the revolution, I. Gukovsky belonged to the Mensheviks-the "liquidators" and assumed the post of People's Commissar of Finance only under the pressure of Lenin.

[vladkavkaz]

Kukish il
This nationally preoccupied person, to put it mildly, your opponent, is broadcasting nonsense to the VO, taken from here- "SOURCE:" Lubyanka. The organs of the Cheka - OGPU-NKVD-NKGB-MGB-MVD-KGB. 1917-1991. Directory. Compiled by A.I. Kokurin, NV Petrov. International Fund "Democracy", Moscow. Publishing house of Yale University, USA. Publishing house Materik, Moscow. 2003 ".
So surprised such blatant falsehoods not stoit.Takogo junk many vypuskallos ..

[vladkavkaz]

psiho117
Are you going to reproduce this nonsense about "government2 at 17 for a long time?
How old are you that you still believe in this nonsense?
With regards to Ukraine, Ukrainians will deal with this gang there, what have you got to do with it?
Opponents of Bolshevism throughout the years of the existence of Soviet power constantly fanned the speculative "national question", which found its concentrated expression in the myth of the "Jew-Bolshevik" government. The only bad thing is that our "fellow nationals" are ready to believe any word of their beloved Fuhrer. And we have to clarify simple elementary truths again and again.

Thus, the note of wanting to know the objective information: in the first part of SNK was 15 people. These data are not a great secret - the text of Lenin's "Decree" of 8.11.1917/35/15 with a complete list is easily found in the XNUMX volume of the Complete Works. In the same place, in appendices, there are brief biographies of all the people's commissars. When the author began to analyze the national alignment, an interesting thing was discovered: the national composition of the government was approximately equal to the national composition of the entire Russian state. So, of these XNUMX members were:

representatives of the Caucasian peoples (Georgians) - one (I. Dzhugashvili);

representatives of Western peoples (Pole) - one (I. Teodorovich);

representatives of the Mediterranean peoples (Jew) - one (L. Bronstein);

representatives of Little Russia (Ukrainians) - three (P. Dybenko, N. Krylenko, V. Ovseenko).

9 people from 15 were Russians. We list them by name:

[vladkavkaz]

9 people from 15 were Russians. We list them by name:

People's Commissar of Internal Affairs - Rykov Alexey Ivanovich. Born in 1881 in the family of a peasant in the Vyatka province, Yaran district, and Kukarka settlement. Russian. He studied at Kazan University, expelled for participating in the revolutionary movement, a member of the RSDLP since 1898. He met the 1917 revolution in exile in the Narym Territory.

People's Commissar of Agriculture - MILYUTIN Vladimir Pavlovich. Born in 1884 in the village of Tugantsevo, Lgovsky district, Kursk province in the family of a rural teacher. Russian. He studied at the Law Faculty of St. Petersburg University, participated in the roar. movement, member of the RSDLP since 1903. In 1917 he was chairman of the Saratov Council of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies.

People's Commissar of Labor - SHLYAPNIKOV Alexander Gavrilovich. Born in 1885 in Murom Believers in the family-Pomerania. Russian (and has anyone heard of Old Believer Jews?). My father worked as a miller, a carpenter, a laborer, mother - the daughter of a miner. “From the very childhood I already got acquainted with religious persecution,” he recalled. Logical continuation: elementary school, work experience from 11 years old, strike movement, roar. circles, member of the RSDLP since 1901, arrests, emigration, work in the French Socialist Party. An active participant in the February Revolution of 1917, a member of the initiative group to create the Petrograd Council.

People's Commissar for Trade and Industry - NOGIN Victor Pavlovich. Born in 1878 in Moscow in the family of a clerk. Russian. After graduating from the city school in Kalyazin, Tver province, he worked as a clerk, since 1896 a worker in St. Petersburg, a participant in a roar. circles, party member since 1898. In 1917 he was chairman of the Moscow Council of Workers' Deputies.

People's Commissar of Education - Anatoly LUNACHARSKY. Born in 1875 in Poltava in the family of an official. Russian, hereditary nobleman. While studying at the gymnasium, he organized and headed Marxist circles, a party experience since 1895. He studied at the University of Zurich and was engaged in literary work. He is the only one of the first commissars to work for 12 years at his post.

People's Commissar of Finance - SKVORTSOV Ivan Ivanovich (pseudonym Stepanov). Born in 1870 in Bogorodsk in the family factory employee. Russian, oddly enough. He graduated from the Moscow Teacher’s Institute and spent almost his entire life working in Moscow, in the Moscow organization of the RSDLP (party experience since 1896). The author of a number of fundamental works on political economy, translator of the works of Marx. Here it is appropriate to recall the characteristic of the English diplomat Colonel R. Robins, given back in 1917: “The first SNK, if based on the number of books written by its members and the languages ​​they speak, was higher in culture and education than any cabinet in the world ". It should be noted that out of 92 people who worked in the Council of People's Commissars in 1917-1918, 51 had higher or incomplete higher education, 18 had secondary or special education.

People's Commissar of Justice - OPPOKOV Georgy Ippolitovich (pseudonym Lomov). Born in 1888 in Saratov in a noble family. His father has served as manager of a branch of the State Bank here for over 30 years. Russian. From the age of 13 he participated in circles, a member of the party since 1903. He studied at the Law Faculty of St. Petersburg University, during the Arkhangelsk exile (1911-1913) participated in polar expeditions (to Novaya Zemlya and the Czech Gulf). After October, he was chairman of the Siberian Industry Bureau of the Supreme Economic Council, the Ural Economic Council, and the Donugol Trust.

People's Commissar of Posts and Telegraphs - Nikolai Pavilovich AVILOV (pseudonym Glebov). Born in 1887 in the family of a Kaluga shoemaker. Russian. From 12 years he worked in a printing house, since 1904 a member of the RSDLP. He conducted party work in Moscow and the Urals, studied at the Bologna party school. "The February Revolution finds him on the run from the Narym Territory." Later he worked as chairman of the Leningrad Council of Trade Unions.

[vladkavkaz]

As already mentioned above, the military department of the Republic of Soviets was “occupied” by Ukrainians. The Board of the People’s Commissariat for Military and Naval Affairs was composed of:

Paul E. DYBENKO. Born in 1889 in a family of hereditary peasants of the village of Lyudkov, Novozybkovsky district, Chernihiv province. As he noted in his autobiography of the mid-1920s, “Mother, father, brother and sister still live in the village of Lyudkov and are engaged in the peasantry.” He graduated from the 4-year-old city school, from 17 years old he worked as a loader in the port, then a sailor. In 1911, he was drafted into the army for participating in strikes and served in the Baltic Fleet. In 1917, the chairman of the Central Balta, an active participant in the October Revolution and the Civil War.

KRYLENKO Nikolay Vasilievich - hereditary revolutionary. Born in 1885 in the Sychevsky district of Smolensk province in a family of exiled Ukrainians. He graduated from St. Petersburg University, participated in the student movement, a Bolshevik since 1904. During the First World War he was mobilized in the army, received the rank of ensign. In 1917 he was successively elected chairman of the regiment, division, army committee. In the days of October he was appointed Supreme Commander.

OVSEENKO Vladimir Alexandrovich (pseudonym Antonov). Born in 1884 in Chernigov. Father Alexander Anisimovich is a nobleman, lieutenant, then captain of the reserve regiment, a veteran of the Russian-Turkish war, so Vladimir Ovseenko can be considered a hereditary military. After graduating from the Voronezh Cadet Corps, he studied at the Nicholas Military Engineering and the St. Petersburg cadet schools. In 1901 he entered the Warsaw Social-Democrats circle. During the 1st Russian Revolution, as an active participant, he was sentenced to death by the Sevastopol Military Court, but fled. November 7, 1917 personally led the capture of the Winter Palace.

And finally, the Presovnarkom Ulyanov Vladimir Ilyich (Lenin). I would like to emphasize that in the aforementioned “Resolution” all the drug commanders are named with their true surnames (pseudonyms are given in brackets), which the author also follows. About Vladimir Ilyich, as the leader of the Bolsheviks, the rumors go the most. Almost a “commonplace” was the assertion that he was of Jewish origin. However, this thesis is not an axiom, but a version. Indeed, there is documentary evidence that his ancestor Alexander Dmitrievich Blank is actually cross-Israel of the Blank. But studies of the Moscow historian M. Bychkova (1993) showed that in the first half of the XNUMXth century, two full namesakes served in St. Petersburg in medical terms - two A.D. Blanca, about the same age. One of them was a truly baptized Jew, and the other came from the Moscow Orthodox merchant family. So, the Russian Form rose to the rank of adviser, which gave the right to hereditary nobility. The Jewish form was not in the civil service, but worked in private hospitals (for example, at the Zlatoust factory), so he did not have this right. As you know, V.I. Ulyanov was a nobleman, therefore, we can definitely assume that his grandfather was Russian A.D. Blank. According to M. Bychkova, at one time the persons of the two Blanks were deliberately mixed by someone. By the way, in the book “Russia in the Darkness”, the famous writer G. Wells noted after a personal conversation that Lenin was “certainly not a Jew”. The modern scientist R. Fischer, the author of the biography of Lenin, well-known in the West (recently translated and published in Moscow in the ZhZL series) wink in his book absolutely does not mention Jewish roots, referring only to Swedish and German. We reject speculation: V.I. Ulyanov, who grew up in the Great Russian cultural environment, was Russian in spirit, language and origin.It is difficult to understand how a quarter of Jewish blood (even if it was, which is problematic) can outweigh ¾ Great Russian.

[vladkavkaz]

In addition to the “Decree”, on November 12, 1917, the world's first woman minister, Kollontai Alexandra Mikhailovna, was appointed the people's commissar of state approval. Born Domontovich, daughter of a general from a noble noble family of Ukrainian origin, dating back to the Pskov princes. She studied at the University of Zurich, in 1906 she joined the RSDLP.

From November 19, 1917, the People's Commissar of State Control was ESSEN Eduard Eduardovich, from Russified German barons. Born in 1879 in St. Petersburg, a member of the RSDLP since 1898. In 1917 - chairman of the Vasileostrovsky District Council of Deputies.

Two weeks later, several People's Commissars resigned due to disagreement with the political line of Lenin. Their places were taken by:

People’s Commissar Petrovsky Grigory Ivanovich. Of the hereditary peasants of the village of Pechenegi in the Kharkov province, Ukrainian. Unlearned for 2 and a half years at school and was expelled due to lack of money for tuition. He worked in a forge, locksmith, then as a turner at the factory, a member of the RSDLP from 1897. He was a deputy of the State Duma of Russia from the workers of the Yekaterinoslav province (1912-1914). After the Revolution, he worked for 20 years as an "All-Ukrainian elder" —the chairman of the Central Executive Committee of the Soviets of the Ukrainian SSR.

People's Commissar PODBELSKY Vadim Nikolaevich. Born in 1887 in Yakutia in a family of exiled Narodnaya Volya. Russian. An active participant in the Revolution of 1905, joined the RSDLP, conducted party work in Tambov and Moscow. He died in 1920.

People's Commissar of Health SEMASHKO Nikolay Alexandrovich. From the peasants of the Oryol province of the Yelets district of the village of Livenskaya. He studied at the medical faculty of Moscow University, participated in the student movement, was expelled and deported. After graduating from Kazan University, he worked as a doctor, then in exile - Secretary of the Zagranburo of the RSDLP. In 1917 he was chairman of the Zamoskvoretskaya district council in Moscow.

The People's Commissariat for Military and Naval Affairs was reorganized. PODVOISKY Nikolay Ilyich, the son of a priest from the village of Kunashovka of the Nezhinsky district of the Chernigov province (became a Jew, really). He studied at the Chernigov Theological Seminary and the Yaroslavl Legal Lyceum, a member of the party since 1901, in 1917 - the head of the Military Organization of the RSDLP and the Military Revolutionary Committee.

People's Commissar Proshyan Prosha Perchevich, Armenian. But not a Bolshevik - since 1905 a member of the Socialist Revolutionary Party, in 1917 the Left Socialist Revolutionary. An ardent polemicist, in March 1918 during the Brest debate, resigned, participated in the anti-Bolshevik uprising in July 1918, was outlawed and soon died of typhus.

People's Commissar of State Property KARELIN Vladimir Alexandrovich. Born in 1891. Russian, from the nobility, son of a college adviser. Graduated from university, lawyer, journalist. In 1917 he was elected chairman of the Kharkiv City Duma, the left SR.

People's Commissar KOLEGAEV Andrey Lukich. Born in Surgut of the Tyumen province in a petty bourgeois family. Russian. Since 1905, a member of the Socialist Revolutionary Party. In exile he studied at the University of Paris. In 1917 he was elected chairman of the Kazan Council of Peasant Deputies. Under his leadership, the collegium of the People’s Commissariat, consisting entirely of Left Socialist Revolutionaries, developed a draft law on the socialization of the land, approved by the 3rd All-Russian Congress of Soviets in 1918.

And finally, STEINBERG Isaac Zakharovich. Lawyer with university education, people's commissar of justice from 13.12.1917/18.3.1918/XNUMX to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX. He distinguished himself by releasing a number of prominent anti-Bolshevik figures (V. Burtsev, A. Gotz) from custody on parole. Yes, a Jew, but here is a hitch - he is not a Bolshevik. Steinberg represented the Left Socialist-Revolutionary Party, which was then part of the government coalition with the RSDLP (b). So this example does not in any way support the legitimacy of the term “Jewish Bolsheviks”, which the domestic “nationally concerned” anti-communists have so famously operated on.

[mark7]

Quote: vladkavkaz

vladkavkaz

Very informative, thanks!

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: Erg

ask to start numbering RI population in 1916, the first year, and then on the 1926 th

1913 (Russian Empire without Finland) - 166
1920 (January) - 137
1926 (January) - 148
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CD%E0%F1%E5%EB%E5%ED%E8%E5_%D1%D1%D1%D0

The country was under external control

Who drove that?

[Erg]

You are with me, dear, ....., on Saturdays, or what? Even a wiki gives a loss of 30 million by the 20th. According to other sources, the figure was more. Who controlled? If schematically - Baruch, Morgan, Rockefellers and other riffraff. Turn on your brains, buddy - without a revolution, what a revolution. I'm tired of beating the wall

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: Erg

You are with me, dear

Please spare me the hints to their own preferences.

Who controlled? If schematically - Baruch, Morgan, Rockefellers and other riffraff.

From the 13th to February the 17th (4 years) - the king-father.
From March 17th to November 17th (7 months) - Provisional Government.
From November 17th to 20th year (2.5 years) - the Soviet government (Bolsheviks, Mensheviks, Socialist Revolutionaries, Cadets, Anarchists), the North-West Government, the Provisional Government of the Northern Region, a Special Conference under the Commander-in-Chief of the All-Union Union of Socialist Republic of Ukraine (it is also the government of Denikin) , the government of Wrangel, and the government of the supreme ruler of Russia Kolchak.

Turn on your brain, buddy - without finance, what a revolution

Exactly - no impossible.
And without help from the rulimy Baruchs, Morgans and Rockefellers of the Entente, to defend the Motherland from a revolution made with the money of the Baruchs, Morganes and Rockefellers - this is generally unrealistic

By the way, druzhischsche: I do not hog the ball with anyone and never (did not work), so you have probably with someone confused.

[mark7]

Quote: Metallurg

express nonsense here.

rude here people are not accepted

[vladkavkaz]

mark7 EN
The metallurgist and his partner psiho117, in this article are not just rude, they are both brazenly and shamelessly lying.

[mark7]

Quote: vladkavkaz

both brazenly and shamelessly lie

I agree, but it’s just out of ignorance, a set of anger and anti-Semitism, although I think if they discard the malice, then it will be put off in the head

[psiho117]

Quote: vladkavkaz

With regards to Ukraine, Ukrainians will deal with this gang there, what have you got to do with it?

unfortunately (or fortunately) fate was destined for me to be born on the long-suffering Donbass land, I was born here, I live and God will die,
And my wife is Donetsk woman and children; no one from his hometown to Russia fled, We live here, we work, we raise children.
So for me this whole predatory pack of Jews, feasting on the body of Ukraine, has very much to do with it.
But you can continue to accuse me of frenzied anti-Semitism, you must be more visible from your place, of course,

Py.Sy. Eh, I refused to argue on political topics, especially on forums ...

[vladkavkaz]

psycho117 (
Do not argue that what you present here in your comments has long been rotten, rotten, disassembled and understandable, a lie.
Therefore, do not argue on poliothemes, especially after your long-term dying of Ukrainian propaganda, that everything was bad in the USSR, and even worse in RI for the Ruin.

[Amurskiy]

After all, we had not only the Russian Empire, but also the Soviet Union of the Socialist Republics, the creation of which V.I. Lenin was involved in, and there was power in this union, the working people, and that our people lost from the collapse of this union and Soviet power, we now see. Pro-American liberals have disobeyed, and have ruined such a country !!! Apparently, Comrade Stalin didn’t destroy the liberal brat all the same. And now he has come out of all the holes and gnawing at the remnants of the former country like a locust of construction. Maybe there’s someone who applies to these bark beetles appropriate means to neutralize them.

[Zverboy]

Over the thousand-year history of Russia, not one of the rulers of the country has done so much harm to it as Lenin, a bloody genius.

Yes, even for the fact that he annexed most of the present territory to Ukraine, we should remember him almost every day and in every office his portraits should hang, but there is no "kovavy genius".

[NordUral]

You don’t have to go far — Yeltsin and Gorbachev, that’s who created what you ascribe to Lenin.

[perm23]

Do not write like this if you do not know. Do not show yourself stupid. And the most important thing is our story and we must treat it with respect, and not like that, Lenin did something and did it. That's right, it's not for us to judge now, sitting at a computer in 2015, and not a farm laborer or a worker in 1917.

[Maks111]

or worker in 1917 year

In terms of current money, workers then received more than current money. And on January 1 of 1905 of the year, RI occupied 5 place in terms of living standards.

[Erg]

GOR_ And that's the true truth. None of the minus you will name another "record holder" in this part

[andj61]

Quote: Max111

Excuse me, please, but there are documents confirming that Lenin met with a German Kaiser before arriving in RI. In general, Lenin is a rather ambiguous person in the history of our country and there is no need to provoke the people into a new civil war.

Lenin simply did not have time to get out of the sealed carriage and meet with the Kaiser. Or do you think that the Kaiser came to the station specially for the train following this train? At the beginning of the 17th year, Lenin was one of many leaders of a rather radical, but not the only wing of the Russian Social Democrats, and not at all the political figure with whom the emperor of Germany could meet.
And about the ambiguity of Lenin - and which of our leaders was an unambiguous figure in general?
This is all our stories, and history should be treated with dignity and dignity so that they don’t say that Russia is a country with an unpredictable past.

[CONTROL]

... by the way: according to the recollections of his contemporaries, the "emperor of Germany" - the Kaiser, was a rather democratic person; version of Peter the Great-light ... or Alexander the 1st ... also "super-light".

[Maks111]

Lenin simply did not have time to get out of the sealed wagon and meet with the Kaiser

Documents show what time it was. You see, DOCUMENTS. Namely, the reports of the French intelligence officers to their homeland. What shishas did they make a revolution for? Or do you think that on the Independence Square people stood for their own?

[Dr. Livesey]

Quote: Max111

Excuse me, please, but there are documents confirming that Lenin met a German Kaiser before arriving in RI.

AND....? And you don’t want to remember about the Russian autocrats ?!
Princess Sophia-Frederica-Augusta of Anhalt-Zerbst - Catherine the Great, her husband - Prince Karl Peter Ulrich of Holstein-Gottorp (Peter 3). Their son Pavel 1 "met" Sophia-Maria-Dorothea-Augusta-Louise of Württemberg (Maria Fedorovna). They had 2 sons, the future emperors Alexander 1 and Nicholas 1. After the "meetings" of Nicholas 1 with the eldest daughter of the Prussian king Frederick Wilhelm II Frederica Louise Charlotte Wilhelmina (Alexandra Feodorovna), Alexander 2 was born. The Tsar-Liberator married Princess Maximilian-Wilhelmina- August-Sophie-Ma
Hesse-Darmstadt Rie (Maria Alexandrovna). Their son Alexander 3 married the daughter of King Christian IX to Dagmar of Denmark (Maria Fedorovna). Well, about the fact that the wife of the last Russian emperor Nicholas 2, Alexandra Fedorovna, nee Victoria Alisa Elena Louise Beatrice of Hesse-Darmstadt, you probably know yourself. By God, against this background, the meeting of Lenin with the German Kaiser looks very pale. Putin periodically meets with Poroshenko and even shakes his hand. Personally, I hate it, so what ?! We think that it is necessary ...

Quote: Max111

In general, Lenin is a rather ambiguous personality in the history of our country.

Do you know quite unequivocal rulers in the history of Russia ?!

[Kilo-11]

Yes, the Romanovs are very strong, if I may say so, intermarried with members of various German reigning houses and not only reigning ones. But none of the representatives of the Romanovs house during the years of World War I did not trade in their homeland and did not enter into separate negotiations with the enemy, unlike from Mr. Ulyanov-Lenin himself and representatives of his party. In my opinion, Mr. Ulyanov-Lenin is a trivial spy of the German General Staff, to whom we have monuments at every turn, it is not known for what and for what merits.

[saag]

Quote: Kilo-11

Because we have monuments at every turn, it is not known for what and for what merits.

Enlightenment, monuments to V.I. Lenin is supported by the creation of a state of workers and peasants, where a working man was the pillar of the state and the emphasis was placed on him - a working man, a state where social justice was not empty words, free education and health care, the fight against the criminal element, where there were more than 10000 for theft rubles or 15 years, or leaning, the state that defeated everyone in wars, the first to go into space, where society was given a goal and a guideline for development, tell me, is there anything like that now?

[mark7]

Quote: saag

Enlightenment, monuments to V.I. Lenin is supported by the creation of a state of workers and peasants, where a working man was the pillar of the state and the emphasis was placed on him - a working man, a state where social justice was not empty words, free education and health care, the fight against the criminal element, where there were more than 10000 for theft rubles or 15 years, or leaning, the state that defeated everyone in wars, the first to go into space, where society was given a goal and a guideline for development, tell me, is there anything like that now?

I agree to all 100%

[Erg]

I personally specifically divide the time of Lenin and the time of Stalin. Here many, I see, do not find the difference. And, let's be honest, the slogan "land to the peasants, factories to workers" ... And what did you get? The article of the Criminal Code on parasitism and serfs without passports ... Just thoughts.

[vladkavkaz]

ErgSU

... "I personally specifically divide the time of Lenin and the time of Stalin. Here many, I see, do not find a difference. And, let's be honest, the slogan" land for the peasants, factories for the workers "... And what did you get? Article of the Criminal Code on parasitism and serfs without passports ... Just thoughts. "- Simple, STUPID ..

[Kilo-11]

Dear saag, thank you for "enlightening", I didn't know who Count Ulyanov-Lenin was from the point of view of the official history of the Bolshevik / Communist Party. Only the foundations of the state of workers and peasants were created by Count Ulyanov-Lenin with the help of the German government and with money of this government, in other words, becoming a traitor to your country. So it's time to probably realize and accept, and therefore it's time to get rid of this memorable Leninist legacy. By the way, the state about which you write - "... social justice were not empty words ... "and so on, he began to create, develop and strengthen not the Ulyanov-Lenin group, but Comrade IV Stalin. You, as an admirer of Ulyanov-Lenin, should probably know that from somewhere in the middle of 1923. Count Ulyanov-Lenin no longer took any part in government work, "grandfather Lenin" was no longer curable. And one more question for you why, in the 30s, Comrade JV Stalin let him go under the knife in the first turn of representatives of the so-called "Leninist guard", but please, think about it not from the point of view of the official history of the Bolshevik party. Members of the "Leninist guard" - Trotsky-Bronstein, Kamenev-Rosenfeld, Bukharin, Zinoviev and other citizens.

[CONTROL]

if you really want to dig into history - try to figure it out with Parvus! This "journalist" tried to play the card of the RSDLP ... and how it happened, it happened! it seems that he was played, not he ... This is evidenced by the shock from the October Revolution experienced by all of Europe!

[asher]

bad you know representatives of this house

[fomkin]

Dr. Livesey !, I take off my hat to you.

[igor.borov775]

Hey. Of course, Lenin was a spy. Wait a little and we will find out after how many spies we have on top. It was he who organized the war with Japan in 1905 with his comrades. He also organized a grand war in 1915. You did not know, it’s bad. Read more historical opuses written there on the shining west. Speaking of those tragic events. The war in 1905 and 1915 showed all the squalor of the State Machine of the Russian Empire. These are not just words, these are facts, but it’s impossible to kill them. But you just don’t advertise them and everything will be tip-top. Sit enjoy the rights that the law, before it was decrees that were adopted in those terrible years without even thinking about pouring water on the past. The countries of ANTANTA contemptuously called our country a STEAM SKATER. Have you ever wondered why? Bad means you know that cute Empire called Russian. Compared to all indicators with these countries, we were deep below them. Although now the facts are stubbornly whitewashing the Empire. It’s not even interesting to read this opus. This Revolution equalized everyone by law. Everyone is equal before the law, regardless of skin color and gender, different beliefs and religions. In the first in the world, only women who came to us got equal rights. And YOU did not know badly. And in 1922, free training and higher education. Paid leave and free birth, kindergartens for all children, and medical care for the entire population. This is why the allies and enemies were so excited against New Russia. Well, of course, the first decree and the equality of all. All true Democracies instantly declared a crusade against our country. They did not know badly. They all had colonies and no one knew about their rights. For 500 years, they settled in the colonies, and then such a blow. It was then that we became the most important enemies. And we stood our ground and went our own way. And when years later our soldiers hoisted the Victory Banner over Berlin for the ruling elite of Western countries (democracies) became a horror. They well understood, the colonies end. There is a bright star of the USSR for them as a guide in the struggle for freedom. So for that we destroyed them to love us. And finally, it’s bad here for those who were at the parade. The Indians fought then against Japan and the Nazis and not only they but a lot of Africans and many others. You need to know the history

[andj61]

Quote: igor.borov775

The war in 1905 and in 1915 showed all the squalor of the State machine of the Russian Empire.

I fully support you, only the Russo-Japanese war began in 1904, and the First World War - in 1914. Calling them the Wars of 1905 and 1915, respectively, is still incorrect.

[Kilo-11]

Igor, if your comment is addressed to me personally, then I would ask you not to teach me history. Once again about Mr. Ulyanov-Lenin. What can you call a person and the group of people he leads or an organization that at the moment when our country is at war with the outside enemy, at that time with Germany, enters into relations with this external enemy, receives various assistance from this enemy, acts in the interests of this enemy, with the aim of overthrowing the existing system, collapsing the state and, to some extent, satisfying his personal ambitions? look the name of such people is the same - traitors. And there is no excuse for Mr. Ulyanov-Lenin and his associates, your passage about the Banner of Victory over Berlin, in the context of this exchange of views, I think is not appropriate. Any relationship with an external enemy, and even more so in war conditions, there is treachery. With such success, may it be time to begin to justify the traitor Vlasov? Perhaps it was more correct to wait until the end of the war with Germany, and then make a "revolution"? Maybe it would be more honest and correct?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Kilo-11

Once again about Mr. Ulyanov-Lenin. What can you call a person and a group of people headed by him or an organization that, at the moment when our country is at war with an external enemy, at that time with Germany, enters into relations with this external enemy, accepts from this various assistance to the enemy, acts in the interests of this enemy, with the aim of overthrowing the existing system, the collapse of the state and to some extent the satisfaction of their personal ambitions?

And it depends on who will call this person.
For example, one of the leaders of the White movement did the same. And nothing - then no one said a word to him ... and still, some people consider him a patriot of Russia.

[commoners]

There is a bright star of the USSR

Now it has gone out and we have the bombing democracy of the West. And in general, what is happening in the world now is a direct result of the collapse of the USSR by the party elite of the CPSU.

[Old old]

... and there is no need to provoke the people into a new civil war.

Those. nibbling the history of the USSR - is this the ultimate truth, and not those who agree with dousing - are they provoking a civil war?

[Amurskiy]

You personally read them, or they say ...

[Vasek]

Quote: Max111

Lenin is a rather ambiguous person in the history of our country and there is no need to provoke the people into a new civil war.

"Ambiguous personality" automatically implies definitely not negative, as well as definitely not positive.
A philosopher and economist, he was uniquely strong.
And in general, "provoke" after 3 "o" is written.

[Maks111]

Guys, didn’t I like the direction alone? Because Boomerang accidentally fell into the frame, BMPs based on Almaty were also briefly shown.

[Alex_on]

Not for you alone.
Send the broadcast director to drill for a couple of hours!
Half of the parade stubbornly showed a conversation between the GDP and the Chinese leader !!!

[one]

Quote: Alex_on

Not for you alone.
Send the broadcast director to drill for a couple of hours!
Half of the parade stubbornly showed a conversation between the GDP and the Chinese leader !!!

Yes. filthy filmed. more suitable for pop concerts.
a too frequent change of frames that does not allow to see anything well, causing eye fatigue and creating the impression that they did not pass, but galloped.
Incorrect shooting angle.
and why they showed us the belly, etc. horses?
What, mixed up the parade with a veterinary examination?
I would like to find out which of the high-ranking officials is capable of "intelligibly" explaining to these "creative" specialists that the PARADE is an EVENT, not a show !!!

[aviator65]

Yes, the directing was not very ... They were carried away by the flights of the camera over the city center and the views from under the feet of the marching. As a result, the overall picture is somehow blurry. Still, you need to make a distinction between showing a pop show and a solemn procession. Yes, and the leader could try to make less reservations in the comments. And so, really, grandiose everything went.

[Kilo-11]

The direction was extremely bad, and not that not very bad. To all the above mistakes I would add not the coincidence of the text with the picture, in the Soviet years this was not even close. The parade itself is generally not bad, but on T-34-85 machines and SU-100, modern stars and guards ribbons were somehow out of place, there should have been a Soviet sign "Guard", tactical signs that Soviet tank crews used during the Second World War, in the end, it was possible to write on the towers and wheelhouses- "For Motherland ", etc. The periodically appearing frame with our guarantor of the Constitution and the Chinese leader annoyed, and was simply not appropriate. For example, I was absolutely not interested in who Mr. Putin was sitting on the podium with and what he was doing there. where were the other 29 leaders of the countries of the world who came to the celebrations, why were they not on the central rostrum? It somehow did not look good towards them that our guarantor of the Constitution put only the Chinese leader next to him. All these cries were irritating and annoying. our repo Rter propagandists on the topic of who came and who did not come from the foreign leaders to the celebrations in honor of Victory Day. They did not come and did not come, to hell with them, Comrade I. Stalin in 1945. I was not going to invite anyone to the Victory Parade, because first of all it is our Victory. The main thing is that we always remember, celebrate and celebrate this Day of the Great Victory in the Great War.

[CONTROL]

come on ... directing! TV people have just lost the habit of covering such events! more and more "euro-vision", yes "summits" ...

[Corsair]

Quote: Alex_on

Half of the parade stubbornly showed a conversation between the GDP and the Chinese leader !!!

This part of the parade is apparently intended purely for the EU and the USA, you’re like stinging there in your Poland, Germany and Afro-America, and here we are talking for peace.
Of course, tear off the hands of the operator or the person responsible for switching cameras.

[diz1975]

The mausoleum is already history, it needs to be preserved. The parade of 1941. Parade 1945. The mausoleum is an important part of these parades and less important but still part of today's Parade 2015.
Let the body of Lenin be buried in peace and the mausoleum as part of the history of the USSR will remain.

[ASK505]

You just need to break everything in the country, the perestroika are restless, i.e. pour water into the mill of our sworn "friends" behind a deep puddle. Leave Lenin's ashes alone. Lenin and the Mausoleum are inseparable concepts. All of us put together here are not worth his genius.

[avdkrd]

Quote: vsoltan

I wonder how long they will bashfully drape the mausoleum? This is also our story.

Nevertheless, the mausoleum is a grave, although of course historical.

[mark7]

Quote: avdkrd

Nevertheless, the mausoleum is a grave, although of course historical.

This is the same monument of our history

[Alnair]

Nifiga you wrote here, comrades! O_O

For some reason, they slipped into a discussion of the role of Lenin and other people in history ...

At the same time, they missed the main question - is it necessary or not for our state to keep the dead body of anyone on the central square of the country.

Given the powerful national upsurge, positively emotionally charged for the bright and the new, I think that it is not necessary. It is necessary to bury Lenin in the ground, on the territory of the Kremlin, and put on top some powerful, majestic monument.

[ARS56]

There is still a burial place in the Kremlin wall. Drape the wall too? Why pick holes in the history of the country? The drapery of the mausoleum is a gesture showing the attitude of ... only whom? We will not all a priori ascribe to Putin.
And Putin and C were correctly shown.
And the Victory Parade is magnificent.
At the parade all of their own. Allies. Friends.
Enemies remained in their den.

[user]

Although I’m sure the mourners will come out now,

I didn’t want to, but I will express my point of view.
Why is the Victory Parade (exactly with a capital letter) take sitting on chairs. Well, guests and veterans, we will give a discount on the president and others like him, but how to evaluate the Minister of Defense hosting the parade while sitting is not respect for those who are in the ranks, a new point of view on the Charter of the military service, or simply because he is not a military man ?
I would like to hope for the latter.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: user

Why is the Victory Parade (exactly with a capital letter) take sitting on chairs. Well, guests and veterans, we will give a discount on the president and others like him, but how to evaluate the Minister of Defense hosting the parade while sitting is not respect for those who are in the ranks, a new point of view on the Charter of the military service, or simply because he is not a military man ?

EMNIP sitting took only hits technology. When passing the boxes, everyone stood.

[Johnryder]

I agree, the mausoleum looked stupid in blue and white, but white stars on the St. George (guards) tape were even more stupid. Surely Uncle X was surprised. If you really wanted to show a new symbol, you could use this option.
By the way, was the aircraft with the red stars - pleased - did the pilots sabotage?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: JohnRyder

By the way, was the aircraft with the red stars - pleased - did the pilots sabotage?

So the three-color star did not take root at the Air Force - and in 2013 they returned the old identification marks:

[twin22]

vsoltan
I wonder how long they will bashfully drape the mausoleum? This is also our story.

What did you want from these Kremlin plebeians? They are embarrassed by their faces in the mirror in the morning :)

[ASK505]

Stalin took the brunt of the responsibility for the fate of the country, when all of Europe, under Hitler’s banners, set off for the next Crusade to the Russian World. We are all lucky today that then this great man stood at the head of state. He was the Supreme Commander of the Red Army and was directly involved in the design of all operations. By right, he was the leader and teacher of the whole nation. Not a portrait, not a word. This is the same as saying and celebrating the passage through the Alps or the taking of the impregnable fortress of Izmail and bashfully being silent about Suvorov. It should not be so.

[Stelth1985]

I am glad that there are people who are very well aware of these things. I’m trumpeting about this already. God knows how much.

For the Honor and Glory of the ancestors!

[Alnair]

Quite a dumb, contradictory and unpleasant page in our history.

In fact, in isolation from any political issues and disputes, the idea of ​​holding the dead body of a state leader in a mausoleum in the center of the capital for almost a century looks frankly creepy. Especially against the background of the national idea of ​​the triumph of scientific progress, which was in the USSR, and now too.

[Stelth1985]

Do not worry. It lies until the 2017th. After, they will take it out, and the Mausoleum will be dismantled.

[DEfindER]

Quote: vsoltan

how long will the mausoleum be bashfully draped? This is also our story.

The Mausoleum is our great story, but it’s still History, I wouldn’t close it either, but the country's leadership should not be on the rostrum of the Mausoleum, but in its new place, a new Russia. And the place of the communist leadership of the country, let it remain for history, as a symbol of the greatest achievements that we must ever surpass.

[Stelth1985]

Do not confuse the mausoleum and the satanic buildings that stand at certain points in the country and the planet. It must be removed for reasons of impact on the country of evil. You think, the tomb in the central square of the country is !!! Nowhere in the world has this ever been and never is!

FOR THE HONOR AND GLORY OF ANCESTORS!

[echomenkov]

History is history, but whatever you may say, the mausoleum is a crypt, a grave ... And from this - it’s somehow uncomfortable ... Vladimir Ilyich was still a baptized man - he really didn’t deserve peace ...

[zurbagan63]

Armor is strong, and our tanks are fast,
And our people are full of courage:
And there’s nothing to add!

[Pal2004]

I agree with the author, it was a landmark parade ... For a long time we will remember and revise.

[vlad_m]

The world has split. Sign parade! On the parade ground are the allies. In the stands - like-minded people.
Those who did not accept the invitation to the Victory Parade are not "our people"!
The idea came up after watching the parade that those who passed in parade columns across Washington passed through the square ... God forgive me ...

[41 REGION]

Quote: vlad_m

The world has split. Sign parade! On the parade ground are the allies. In the stands - like-minded people.
Those who did not accept the invitation to the Victory Parade are not "our people"!

Those who did not accept the invitation watched on TV and choked on their saliva.

[hydrox]

Quote: vlad_m

who will parade across Washington

Do we need this?
I would refrain from sending guys to stomp radioactive ashes ...
Or do you still think that myrikos has been given a head in order to keep brains in it?
They eat it!

[Jan Krumins]

In Hitler's troops there were divisions from almost all European countries .. And there is no need to talk about the "brothers" of the Ukrainians - the fascists have heard a lot ...

[ASK505]

I read somewhere that about 600 Ukrainians dressed in German uniforms and fought against us on the side of Germany.

[goose]

And I read demographic studies based on census data for 1940-1946. to different countries. Interesting information was obtained for the USSR: the decline in the male population of draft age during the war period 1941-45. between the ages of 18 and 39 years amounted to 6 million people.

I would like to look into the eyes of the people who are shouting "filled with meat", we lost 27-45 million soldiers.

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: goose

I would like to look into the eyes of the people who are shouting "filled with meat", we lost 27-45 million soldiers.

27 - this is the total loss, the combat order of 8.

[Vladimir73]

Quote: Uncle Joe

27 - this is the total loss, the combat order of 8.

I will supplement you a little. These combat losses are comparable to German ones. This is in the "garden" of those who claim that "... they were filled with corpses"

[Ilya22558]

I had this association when the Victory Banner was carried out under the "Holy War":
"Get up, huge country
Rise to mortal combat ... "

[altman]

Let's just say that the Americans and the British became our allies in World War II by the will of circumstances. And it is not known how history would have turned in other situations, maybe they would have bombed us, like the Nazis. Involuntarily friends, let’s say so. So this parade was attended by countries that really support Russia, which are actually our friends, who did not leave us in difficult times of the war and the current sanctions.

[Baloo]

Do not let the circumstances. They were afraid to be late for the pie section. Cossacks could come to Paris again

[NEXUS]

Quote: Balu

Do not let the circumstances. They were afraid to be late for the pie section. Cossacks could come to Paris again

no, you’re wrong. The only force that could break and destroy the Third Reich’s car was the USSR. And asking himself the question: “WHAT WAS IT IF IF THE SOVIET UNION DID NOT STAND? You will come to the conclusion that they were afraid of something else, not to be late but to become next if the USSR falls.
And no one else could break the Third Reich.

[Corsair]

Quote: NEXUS

And what would happen if the Soviet Union did not stand? You will come to the conclusion that they were afraid of something else, not to be late but to become next if the USSR falls.

If you were so afraid - why did you wait 3 years? It seems to me that they were deciding all this time for whom to speak for - this is the only reason, and naturally "Roman tactics" of two enemies help the weak, they just did not expect that the USSR would accelerate so much that they would not slow down any injections into the German army, because our grandfathers would have defeated the Germans and without any help from the "allies" (lend-lease, "second front"), simply the losses would have been greater.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Corsair

If you were so afraid - what did 3 wait for years?

for the West, the USSR and Germany were EVIL, only the Third Reich was a great evil.

Quote: Corsair

after all, our grandfathers would have defeated the Germans without any help from the "allies" (lend-lease, "second front"), simply the losses would have been greater.

"help" was not gratuitous. It was pure business, not help. For lend-lease and American stew, the USSR paid in GOLD and with interest. And the aid of the West of the USSR was only 10% of all that the Union itself produced during the Second World War.

[Corsair]

Quote: NEXUS

"help" was not gratuitous. It was pure business, not help. For lend-lease and American stew, the USSR paid in GOLD and with interest. And the aid of the West of the USSR was only 10% of all that the Union itself produced during the Second World War.

Yes, it’s clear that everything is not free, but what did the Third Reich prevent from the USA? unless the thirst for profit and technology frightened, the USSR turned this infernal machine back and began to crush - and these 25 countries sat on the priest without any particular defeat and suffering, no one tried to hit the German troops towards our army.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Corsair

Yes, it’s clear that everything is not free, but what did the Third Reich interfere with with the USA?

On the contrary, the USA, after the defeat of the USSR, would have prevented the Third Reich from its world hegemony.
A simple example is the current ... how does Russia interfere with the United States? If you answer this question for yourself, then you will understand that the Third Reich would not stop at the defeat of the USSR.

[kit_bellew]

Quote: NEXUS

they were afraid of something else, not to be late but to become next if the USSR fell.

Well, suppose they would not become next, at least the Yankees.
The Third Reich was conceived, created and acquired its military and industrial potential precisely due to the huge injections of Jewish (!) Overseas gold into the German economy. With one single goal: to involve him in a war against the USSR and completely bleed two of the strongest states of the Old World, two powerful peoples beyond the control of the financial tycoons of the West. Until the opening of the second front, Standard Oil was supplying oil and oil products to the Reich. The Americans, as in the First World War, profited well from trade with all the warring parties. Well, when it became clear that the Reich was going to the bottom, then they pulled themselves together so that, as they correctly wrote above, not to miss their piece. And they didn’t miss it. And eternal memory to J.V. Stalin for not agreeing with the post-war restoration of the USSR and the territories under its control according to the Marshall plan, otherwise we would have already been economically dependent on the Western financial system. For whole forty six years tryndets was delayed. Only forty-six - no one then, of course, could have imagined what would begin in the country during the late Brezhnev and Gorbachev and what it would lead to.

[NEXUS]

Quote: kit_bellew

Well, suppose they would not become next, at least the Yankees.

but what do you say! Is it nothing that England fought with Germany? The Anglo-Saxons were not at all eager to lose this war. They were afraid, and this is in Churchill's memoirs that Stalin would unite with Hitler.

[Performance]

On the subject of thinking about the Victory Parade and the Americans, I have the opinion that the United States is simply envious, and seriously, to the point of insanity - they envy us!

They envy our Parade - after all, patriotism and the army, as they believe, are now only their "strong point", their world monopoly, but nothing like that shines for them, they can only dream of such a Parade and they are choked with envy and a toad !!!

And yet - in the city these days there are just a huge number of foreigners who wanted, and who is with us, he came.

[Mikhail m]

From how they took the parade and reported to the Supreme.

This year, too, the greeting of Shoigu by position, and not by military rank, was cut. Type of health I wish, comrade interim acting chief of a clothing store. And sitting while giving a military salutation is simply uncivilized. I remembered the sick general secretary again.
Well, there are no words about the parade itself. Superb and powerful, worthy of a great country.

[bolat19640303]

Quote: Michael m

From how they took the parade and reported to the Supreme.

This year, too, the greeting of Shoigu by position, and not by military rank, was cut. Type of health I wish, comrade interim acting chief of a clothing store. And sitting while giving a military salutation is simply uncivilized. I remembered the sick general secretary again.
Well, there are no words about the parade itself. Superb and powerful, worthy of a great country.

We were young lieutenants who got to the international exercises "Druzhba" immediately after school and were introduced to the commander of the SGV. He shook hands with everyone with the words "Hello comrade lieutenant." And we all answered him, "I wish you good health, Comrade Lieutenant General." To which he told us all: "Remember there are many generals, but the commander is one." So the greeting from the Minister of Defense is correct.

[Mikhail m]

43. A military salutation is the embodiment of comradely unity of servicemen, a certificate mutual respect and common culture. All servicemen are obliged to welcome (overtake) to welcome each otherstrictly observing the rules established by the combatant charter of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Subordinates and juniors in military rank are the first to greet, and in an equal position the first is greeted by one who considers himself to be more polite and well-mannered.

54. To the greeting of the chief or senior (“Hello, comrades”), all servicemen who are in the ranks or out of order answer: “We wish you good health”; if the boss or senior says goodbye ("Goodbye, comrades"), then the military personnel answer: "Goodbye." At the end of the answer, the word “comrade” and military rank are added without indicating the type of troops or service.

If you find somewhere in the Charters you will find a link to the exclusion of ministers and commanders from the rule, tell me, be so kind.

[Alnair]

God, who cares who greeted anyone? Perhaps, with fear, a man forgot what to say? These are all formalities.

The main thing is that our army is working efficiently, skillfully acting and rapidly rearming. That's where the point is.

[Zomanus]

All is correctly said. There was a parade of the Armed Forces of Russia and the allies. Actually, it was shown who is with us, and the rest turns out ... as usual.

[ltc22A]

I’ll add from myself: not only those who walked on the cobblestones of Red Square, but also those who walked in all the cities of Russia watching (if they themselves cannot participate) the main Parade. Under the civilian Minister of Defense - sobidy and indignation for what they do with the armed forces. At the present, with pride.

[Alnair]

I think that the "civilian minister" was needed to carry out some unpleasant, painful, but necessary reforms and become a "scapegoat". This is standard practice.

[rapid1934]

Quote: Alnair

I think the "civil minister" was needed

Did you mean Serdyukov?

[Ivan Slavic]

The parade was a 100% success. The direction was not very good, but "there" and so everyone understood and imbued. I hope they will be more modest in their deeds and unrealizable hopes.

[Metallurgist]

Gentlemen, what are we talking about?
The parade took place. The parade showed who is who in the current political situation.
Yes, both Mongols and Chinese and Indians were in service. Yes, many former republics were also present.
Those who considered it necessary accepted the invitation and flew to the celebration of the Great Victory.
But life goes on.
And those who maliciously hissed before our holiday, now again continue to hiss.
So you have to work again work and work.
Journalists of non-living media have already climbed out, spitting poison again. They are already shouting about the "threat to peace from the east."
For Europe, our holiday is a forced recognition of their defeat. They will not forget and will not forgive.
Therefore, once again: work work and work.
pS Any reptile who says that "money is wasted" is worthy of only one thing - complete oblivion.

[k-239]

Military tribunals worthy of confiscation selling homeland

[Captain45]

Quote: Metallurg

The parade took place. The parade showed who is who in the current political situation.
Yes, both Mongols and Chinese and Indians were in service. Yes, many former republics were also present.

Moreover, to whom it was like, and it seemed to me just symbolic that the participation of representatives of the CSTO and SCO countries in the parade. Thus, it was as if emphasized that Russia finally turned to Asia and Europe has become a geyopp for us.

[Lyton]

Roman, you're right, the parade is wonderful, and all the enemies looked and apparently hoped for some kind of failure, but to our joy and their disappointment everything went like clockwork and very beautifully.

[exalex2]

The fact that ALL of Europe fought against the USSR I hope everyone knows. And what is the reason for them to go to Moscow for the Victory Parade? To glorify your defeat? But the "former" Republics simply showed their "true" face, or rather the muzzle, very unpleasant ...

[one]

Quote: exalex2

The fact that ALL Europe fought against the USSR

no, not all.
and not Europe, but only fascism, which seized Europe and deployed Europe's industry and resources to war, and not only with the USSR.
request to you - learn to separate the grain from the chaff, do not repeat thoughtlessly well-thought out statements of political trolls.
Well, for example - if there were units formed from Ukrainians and resources were pumped out of occupied Ukraine, this does not mean that Ukraine was at war with the USSR !!!

[oracul]

On the day of the Great Victory - in addition to the majestic parade in Moscow, a cascade of parades from Vladivostok to Kaliningrad, demonstrating the strength and power of Russia. Let them look and startle at what they missed, looked at when Russia rushed from its knees to its full height. There is much to be done, much to overcome, but most importantly, the movement has begun. For the success of our just cause, friends!

[fomkin]

The parade is magnificent, but two spoons of tar- draping of the tomb of the founder of our country. And not a single mention of the main organizer of the Victory.

[umah]

drapery of the tomb of the founder of our country

Really Rurik himself or Prophetic Oleg? They’ll probably hide under the body of Lenin

[Roshchin]

A plywood booth put together in front of the Mausoleum clearly discordant with the parade setting. It's time to remove the fig leaves.

[Alnair]

Why, in a new, fresh, bright Russia, once again turn our eyes to the old, dead and suffering?

Now is the time to build a new country, open new enterprises, strengthen the economy and financial system, but all of our beloved Russia in the person of its population stubbornly looks at events even more than 70 years ago. I mean Comrade Lenin, whatever the assessment of his role in history.

Okay, Lenin was, super. Stalin was, there was victory, the war was, Gagarin was, but it was all then, a long time ago. But it is necessary that there is a new one, here, now, tomorrow.

But no, we will stubbornly look back and discuss where it is better to open a new hydroelectric power station, but whether or not to drape the grave of the head of state at the parade.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Alnair

Why, in a new, fresh, bright Russia, once again turn our eyes to the old, dead and suffering?

Now is the time to build a new country, open new enterprises, strengthen the economy and financial system, but all of our beloved Russia in the person of its population stubbornly looks at events even more than 70 years ago. I mean Comrade Lenin, whatever the assessment of his role in history.

Probably because Russia survived precisely due to this very old, dead, suffering.
We survived due to the enormous margin of safety that was laid in the USSR. And still we live in many respects at the expense of the Union. Even in household trifles.

Turned on the light - took advantage of the legacy of the USSR (for the vast majority of power plants and networks were built back then). I went into the kitchen and turned on the gas - thanks again to the USSR (pipelines and organization of production). He refueled the car ... exploration, production, pipeline and refineries are the merit of the USSR. I went down the subway - well, you know ...

[ivan.ru]

everything that was built under Stalin, under Brezhnev, that is not collapsed and not stolen by the current authorities and shifts - stands and works, and still keeps the country at the level of developed states. and discuss a new hydroelectric power station, do not discuss it, will not build it already. the time of the titans passed, dwarfs remained. if something to steal, to break apart - this is here, this is to them

[Stelth1985]

First, tell me the achievements of the past 25 years?
Second, name at least one city built from scratch under this authority?

For the Honor and Glory of the ancestors!

[ivan.ru]

and in our parade - May 9, 2015.

[vassa]

And the Immortal Regiment drove through the brains of the whole world .... I will definitely go the next year with my family portraits of two uncles and grandfathers ..... and we all got stuck with some memorial about him ... memorialize him .. .but what about it ... but no one forgot ..

[LvKiller]

"How should there be those who fought against fascism on the side of the USSR. That is, the countries of the anti-Hitler coalition." - And they congratulated the people of Russia exactly as they could: they ran, spattered with saliva, choked on a cactus and shouted "Return Crimea!" Did you expect something different from this foam of humanity?

[Streich]

The article is great! I agree with the author to all 1000%, and comment on the article is not what, but about the comments. Mausoleum - what is it? Architect A. Schusev once designed Orthodox churches. And this building is made in the form of a karmic stupa and represents a demonic temple. But look around, around Orthodox churches. The Spasskaya Tower is the gateway church of the Holy Savior. And how magnificent this time our MINISTER OF DEFENSE Sergey Kuzhugetovich Shoigu rode out, he rode out without a headgear and crossed himself. And then there was this great parade. So that the drapery is justified. And so let the building stand.

[exalex2]

Quote: Streich

Mausoleum - what is it?

At the same time, both the Monument and the History (which must not be forgotten), and in the end, it is a Symbol, like the Kremlin and Red Square. And the Kremlin wall .. They can’t be SEPARATED .. Without one another, there can be no. But not like a grave. The tomb. The order for posterity. After all, there is no future without the past. Right??

[vladkavkaz]

Streich
There are less fantasies in the form of religious fiction on the topic of nonsense about generators of something there. Read more, something other than publishing all kinds of yellow ducks, like statues in Arguments and facts, otherwise you risk completely losing your mind.
The historical truth is that in 1941 and in 1945, regiments of the Victory Army passed by the Mausoleum.
And they won the war, no matter how you twisted its tail, under the leadership of the Bolshevik-Stalin and with the main and guiding role of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks.
Stalin won the war, providing the armed part of the Soviet people with weapons and equipment, the work of home front workers, and not all kinds of talkers - esotericists and various other pseudo-historical "scholarly" crowd chattering all kinds of nonsense.

[one]

Quote: Streich

Shoigu, he rode out without a hat and crossed himself ...

actually, they are baptized by turning to the gates and icons in front and not back !!!

[Committee]

The United States began to drill oil in the Arctic. Is this a war?

[Tersky]

Quote: Committee

Sha began to drill oil in the Arctic.

Wells are actually drilled, and drilling does not mean pumping.

Quote: Committee

Is this a war?

If they don’t shoot and bomb, it means peace.

[Alnair]

Quote: Tersky

If they don’t shoot and bomb, it means peace.

Yes here nifiga like that. War does not necessarily mean shooting. The soldier of the current war has a completely different face.

Now our army is Gazprom, Rosatom and Rostec. We are now very cruelly fighting contracts for tens, hundreds of billions of dollars. And the fate of our country for decades to come will depend on who wins.

Have you read the next article about "Russian hackers"? Here's another face of a modern soldier.

Have you heard about the "couch troops"? Laughter with laughter, and our sofa commentators, who are incorrectly called "hired trolls" in the press, turned out to be more effective than Western ones. Here's another type of modern soldier.

Life has become completely different from what it was yesterday, and one should learn to be dexterous and skillful in new, unexpected realities.

[muhomor]

What kind of war? They will drill on their shelf.

[renics]

(And he made me wonder what will happen in a year?) In a year, if Mr. Skomorokhov allocates more money for the parade, he will be even grander. The combat readiness of the army does not depend on grandiose parades.

[one]

Quote: renics

The combat readiness of the army does not depend on grandiose parades.

combat readiness, it doesn’t depend, but combat readiness very much depends. fighting spirit, you know, also means a lot.

[Ragnarek]

Where is the portrait of Stalin at the historical museum? Or he had nothing to do with the Second World War?
And a question for connoisseurs: what do the boxes shout before walking past the rostrum of the guests of honor? Something like "And time". And for what?

[Captain45]

Quote: Ragnarek

And a question for connoisseurs: what do the boxes shout before walking past the rostrum of the guests of honor? Something like "And time". And for what?

Dear, Doomsday or the Apocalypse (after all, these names correspond to Ragnarok or the Last Battle in Scandinavian mythology), you clearly did not serve in the army and did not go through a ceremonial crew in a box. When passing by the tribune with the commander of the parade, the command "Iii Raz" is given, so that the parade formation or "box" simultaneously under the step with the left foot take the position "SMIRNO" in motion - hands are pressed along the seam, aligning with the parade receiver in accordance with the Armed Forces' combat regulations.

[vladkavkaz]

Ragnarek
Learn drill charter.)))
And so, they are shouting a command to simultaneously carry out combat reception, on the transition to the Solemn March.

[Altona]

Quote: vladkavkaz

Ragnarek
Learn drill charter.)))

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Well, the person did not serve, and does not understand the commands given ... What can you do? For him, the passage of the columns with a solemn march-bin of Newton ... Although for the serving, the command "To the solemn march, by battalion" immediately refreshes his muscle memory and he already knows how to behave in the ranks ...

[Igarr]

It is interesting that the "box" that cried out in chorus - AND-and-and-and, ONCE! - cemented.
It becomes a monolith.
Who went to these, knows this feeling.
And do not really explain why, but it really happens.
...
The parade is delighted.
Technique too.
And the fact that the parade dragged on, in my opinion - well, so be it. To know for sure that we have something to show.
...
Brothers, it intrigues me terribly that this is a general (general?), Who led one of the boxes, told Putin. Neither greeted nor even greeted (as it seemed to me) but for a long and tedious way he expressed something. Putin even had to clap, clap him. But Shoigu was so angry at all, it was obvious.
Who knows what about this figure? Who thinks what? Who is this anyway?

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Quote: Igarr

It is interesting that the "box" that cried out in chorus - AND-and-and-and, ONCE! - cemented.
It becomes a monolith.
Who went to these, knows this feeling.
And do not really explain why, but it really happens.

Well, how we learned - we join shoulder to shoulder, and with the little fingers of the lowered and pressed hands we grapple. And where the hell ranks get. Well, the box, respectively.

[fomkin]

P.S. Missed add to the previous post. We, too, are following Porosenko’s decrees on the prohibition of Soviet symbols, or I don’t understand something. The drapery of the Mausoleum and the lack of portraits of Stalin deeply disappointed me. But such a popular upsurge was. This error will give exactly the opposite effect. Look what the people in the former republics carried in their hands — only the Red Banners.

[T486]

Parade - FIRE !! Let everyone see and know, well, for one thing they may be afraid that we have this and not only this ... Only a small part of what we have is shown.

[mamont5]

"From poverty. From the fact that the parade was commanded by representatives of the family of non-ruminant artiodactyls in civilian suits."

They did not command, but took the Parade. Minister, i.e. politician may be civilian (theoretically), but only the military can command.

[Yves762]

I propose to dwell on the fact that the Victory Parade, first of all, is a tribute to memory and respect (first), and not propaganda and "demonstration" (second). For the first is holy; the second is very controversial.

[Altona]

Quote: Yves762

I propose to dwell on the fact that the Victory Parade, first of all, is a tribute to memory and respect (first), and not propaganda and "demonstration" (second). For the first is holy; the second is very controversial.

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The Victory Day parade pays tribute to the participants of the war, dead and alive, serves as a link between generations and is of great educational value, showing the country's capabilities and its military traditions to the young generation ...

[ARES623]

Quote: Ragnarek

Where is the portrait of Stalin at the historical museum? Or he had nothing to do with the Second World War?
And a question for connoisseurs: what do the boxes shout before walking past the rostrum of the guests of honor? Something like "And time". And for what?

Around the same time, why did Sharapova need to hit the ball with each racket. It is difficult for someone who did not go to explain the emotional uplift and sense of unity of the ceremonial battalion when you see in front of you the banner of your union (school, academy) with the order's bows. "And time" is like a team for focused work on an important task. Something like this...
Roman, in what calculation did you participate? Well, if it's not a secret ..

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Not a secret))) I even visited twice.

But the first is unforgettable. In the box of the Kalinin IED.

[meriem1]

Quote: Basarev

It’s just that they understand by the depth of their minds that in comparison with Stalin, who in that historical Parade stood on the podium of the Mausoleum, they are insignificants and a wretched country in comparison with the Stalinist USSR. So they are trying to cover up their shame. And since they are basically incapable of atonement through Russia’s breakthrough into the future, they go along the easiest path - the struggle against monuments and the total blackening of the USSR.

To the doctor!!!!! Urgently to the doctor ....

[Semenov]

The Mongols have been studying at our military schools for ten years now. Their equipment (especially winter) is directly general.

[ivan bogomolov]

Brothers, I was at a parade in St. Petersburg with my daughters 7 and 18 years old, I was just in shock, tears in my eyes from unity and positiveness, bursting with pride, and I was stunned for the IMMORTAL Regiment. My daughters had 4 great-grandfathers, and only one came back .They will now remember the whole scale of that war for all their life. I embrace you all with VICTORY ........))))))))))))))))

[Iskander 090]

The parade is great !!!! The Chinese are good, but our souls, well done, and the performance of the orchestra "We are the army of the people" vyshak !!!

[Max adelheid]

The parade is, of course, beautiful ... However, we have more than bad business with the economy ...

[wanderer]

I turn to the author of the article, Roman Skomorokhov (Banshee).
************************************************** ********************
Your article shows a disregard for MILITARY FINANCERS.
Have you ever met live military financiers ??? ... talked ??? ... Or do you think they are all like Serdyukov and Vasilyeva ???
ROMAN, on the street and they would fill you with physics, and would not blink an eye, what would the next time I thought to blurt out.

Now I think, will you read my words ???

[vladkavkaz]

wanderer (
I didn’t communicate with military financiers, especially in 92 and right up to 2010, that for the rest of my life there is enough understanding why Peter 1 treated all kinds of intendants with a fair amount of contempt and, as it was said, “three months in office, it's time to throw out, already stole "
All tricks from the banal 44, to the much worse frauds with delays and money scrolling, all of those who served in those years in plain sight.

[wanderer]

..... cho, I also have never met with military finns ??? .... and the frog is also much more (((

[vladkavkaz]

wanderer
The truth is not to the liking that it’s only capable of blundering any nonsense?

[Fin]

Quote: vladkavkaz

I didn’t communicate with military financiers, especially in 92 and right up to 2010, that for the rest of my life there is enough understanding why Peter 1 treated all kinds of intendants with a fair amount of contempt and, as it was said, “three months in office, it's time to throw out, already stole "

Nachprod’s smoked stew and rations gave a bad one, nachvarya — they didn’t fit in uniforms, vests sold, nachs fuels and lubricants — gasoline, diluted alcohol and sold surpluses, nachmed — fed overdue pills, politician — stealing notebooks with rulers ... In general, all the villains, one you brave, fair warrior, father to all soldiers.
Will we hang backers or what?

[KBR109]

Gorgeous treated your Great SUVOROV. He left his opinion to the descendants. "... and therefore an officer or an official, although a couple of years on the quartermaster service, can be safely hanged: WILL BE FOR WHAT." And ... hung up. And military financiers - yes - such beasts that they are not even given weapons.

[Fin]

Quote: KBR109

And ... hung. But military financiers - yes - such animals that they are not even given weapons.

Pzhl examples of the hanged, otherwise we can do everything in language ...
Now, of course, the army has become better - outsourcing, no dates, who is to blame now?

[vladkavkaz]

Fin (
The most honest rule was a certain general Pivovarov, ZKT Dalvo, so he didn’t want to steal, but he didn’t have enough.
Honest rules of the chief finance 693 MSP, but as they took for the zugunder, they found 500000 rubles in the couch.
The most honest rules were fuel and lubricants in 429, but the trouble is, he stole a lot ..
In general, it’s better to be silent, covering up your rear loafers, you have a lot of mess there, embezzlement and embezzlement.

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Quote: wanderer

Now I think, will you read my words ???

Read it. It is a pity that you read my line. If read at all.

Quote: wanderer

Your article reveals disregard for MILITARY FINANCIERS.

Where?

Well, too, since it did not reach, I will explain. I disregarded the organizers of the parade when the Taman and Kantemirov divisions were removed from the calculation, the Suvorov and Nakhimov schools were removed, and other units were set up instead.

Quote: wanderer

Have you ever met with living military financiers ??? ... talked ??? ... Or do you think they are all like Serdyukov and Vasilyev ???

No, where did I get this from? I just served on the Internet.
Serdyukov? Military financier? I love to learn something new, thank you.

Quote: wanderer

ROMAN, on the street and they would fill you with physics, and would not blink an eye, what would the next time I thought to blurt out.

Address to throw? No problem.

And it seems to be the holidays behind, everything should be adequate already ...

Apparently, some of the "strengths" of military financiers are unknown to me.

[lazma3]

People! Looking at such a parade, one thing is clear - DO NOT WIN US.

[atamankko]

They showed the world the power of Russia, let them know.

[wandlitz]

Quote: Max Adelheid

The parade is, of course, beautiful ... However, we have more than bad business with the economy ...

We will talk about economics in the next article. And the parade is just a sight for sore eyes ...

[Kovlad]

Dear! Yes, the parade was great, just wonderful! But, I would like to add a little off topic: today, May 12th is World Nurse's Day! How much blood, pain, death they suffered in all wars! And how many people survived thanks to them! We bow to them and congratulations on the holiday! (To my shame, my wife reminded me of this, a nurse of the highest category, liable for military service, I will try today to do my best to correct my forgetfulness).

[fomkin]

Parade May 9, 2011. Progress is evident

[Altona]

The parade was wonderful, but too fast, because driving an entire division through Red Square is something ... Hindus, in my opinion, did not look cool, but quite historically, dressed in British colonial fashion, only a national plume on a hat, and so - a uniform khaki, boots with white gaiters, everything is fine ... Putin and Xi Jinping on the podium together is a message to "unipolar", as well as "Yars" with "Armata" on paving stones and the Su-35 in the air ... all were paratroopers, sailors and marines, there were no such nervously skewed faces like the missilemen, who walked in the top view, creating a wave in the back rows and a rhombus instead of a square (on replays this view was cut out) ... Well, everything is worthy, surprised true passage that Azerbaijanis and Armenians were released one after another ... These are the impressions, plus a huge respect for the orchestra, which performed a complex medley of various melodies ...

[Igarr]

As for the musicians, I agree.
Two hours to play, what resistance is needed. Even taking into account duplication, try to stand for two or two and a half hours and not to forget the notes.
And then another song.
Well done musicians, well done.
Delighted.

[kit-kat]

I still have a few comments.
First - you still need to open the mausoleum, and not bashfully hide it behind the posters. The second - the money is really not a pity, but I think that it’s not necessary only those that were spent precisely on the parade, but such massive advertising. She ate the lion's share of the expenses. And without that, it is clear to every Russian person what the Victory Parade is. Thirdly, too much attention was paid to the one who will arrive or will not come to the Parade. But do not we give a damn about them? This is our Victory, our Parade.

[siberalt]

Quote: vsoltan

I wonder how long they will bashfully drape the mausoleum? This is also our story.

The State Department banned, and so what? But they don’t ask the people.

[Stalker.1977]

Quote: saag

Quote: vsoltan

I wonder how long they will bashfully drape the mausoleum?

Yes, it also hurt me somehow, why are the authorities hiding it so diligently ???

Launch mine with a mega missile and a charge of 100 terratons))) Hidden)))

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: Zomanus

All is correctly said. There was a parade of the Armed Forces of Russia and the allies. Actually, it was shown who is with us, and the rest turns out ... as usual.

and even a word would have been mentioned about one of the main creators of the Victory - Stalin. for decency or something

[mark7]

Quote: vsoltan

I wonder how long they will bashfully drape the mausoleum? This is also our story.

I also ask about it all the time, it is also our historical monument, the more they welcomed and admonished those who left for the front.

[costofan]

The Mongols 350 thousand people went to war ... yes, plus they gave horses for ten thousand.

[KBR109]

I don’t know about people, and over 570 thousand horses were delivered. Lots of wool, meat and skins.

[Igarr]

Supplies of leather, lamb skins from which short fur coats were made, meat.
All from Mongolia.
".. The Mongolian people sent 65 million tugriks worth of valuables, industrial goods and agricultural products to the front. About 485 thousand horses were supplied to the Soviet Union, 5 million tugriks were transferred from the Mongolian People's Republic to the fund to help war invalids and children After the end of the war, 40 thousand head of cattle and over 5 million tugriks were sent to the regions of the USSR that suffered from the German occupation from the MPR for the needs of restoring the national economy of the country.

The average cost of the T-34 tank for the 1941 year: - 249.272 rubles. [2]

1 million tugriks was approximately equal to 1 rubles ... "
So it goes.

[ARES623]

Quote: KBR109

I don’t know about people, and over 570 thousand horses were delivered. Lots of wool, meat and skins.

Add more than a million sheepskin shorts there, at the sight of which the Germans fainted from envy near Moscow and Stalingrad.

[pofigisst74]

And I think that the TV people came up with the idea of ​​closing the Mausoleum. To revive the "picture". After all, every year the same thing. And then, what does Lenin have to do with the Great Patriotic War? And so at least photos of the war years.

[goblin xnumx]

I didn’t ask myself, but what does the red square have, because the battles didn’t go on it, according to your logic, maybe then they can hold parades in the field, where are the old trenches not covered up?

[afdjhbn67]

25 million dead of our relatives and friends and 400 thousand Americans show that for them the Second World War and for us the Great Patriotic War ... it seems the main result of this holiday is not a demonstration of military power, but a real march of millions across the country, not by order and other admins. calls and at the behest of the heart ... it's me about the "Immortal Regiment" the spirit of the nation is more alive than all living things, let everything in the west wither and our filthy liberals how many young people in the ranks of the heart rejoice, really this war is in our genetic memory.
He himself attached six portraits to the pens before the holiday, the children asked and that was pleasantly said right away we’ll go ... damn already unused

[Monarchist25]

Of course, I’ll grab the minuses now, but honestly, I have already overcome it with my mausoleum. I understand, of course, that the majority of VO visitors are citizens who made the USSR shine and glory, but it’s enough to pray for Ulyanov. An occult ziggurat in the heart of an Orthodox Christian country is generally nonsense. If you, gentlemen, are so advocating for the origins, then why not return to the origins of old Russia? Russian Emperors, for example, took many parades on the steps of Orthodox churches. Maybe this is true, then? One parade - in the mausoleum (pah, abomination), one - in the temple. Great, huh? For those who did not understand, it was sarcasm. Understand, gentlemen, correctly, I am not against the Soviet Union, and I believe that this state is one of the glorious pages of our history, although not without sin, of course. But how much can you already erect on Ulyanov and Dzhugashvili? One comrade here in comments generally blurted out that Ulyanov is the founder of our country. I'm sorry, what!?

[Fonmeg]

What happened at the celebration of the 70th anniversary of the Victory Day is a shock. Russia has not seen such a thing in recent history.

A story is now going around VK, about the veracity of which I do not presume to judge. However, he is truly soulful:

“Once my father expressed a piercing and terrible thought:

"Ten thousand soldiers and officers of armies and fronts took part in the main parade in honor of Victory Day on June 24, 1945. The passage of the parade" boxes "of troops lasted thirty minutes. And do you know what I was thinking? Over the four years of the war, the losses of our army amounted to almost nine million killed. And each of them, who gave the Victory the most precious thing - life! - deserves to march in that parade line along Red Square. nineteen days ... "And suddenly, as if in reality, I presented this parade.

Front "boxes" twenty by ten.

One hundred twenty steps per minute.

In windings and boots, greatcoats, "overalls" and quilted jackets, in garrison caps, earflaps, "budenovka", helmets, peakless caps, caps.

And nineteen days and nights through Red Square this continuous stream of fallen battalions, regiments, divisions would go. Parade of heroes, parade of winners:

Think about nineteen days and nights ...

Probably on May 9, 2015, through the efforts of ordinary citizens of Russia, this story, with a certain degree of convention, was realized in the vastness of Russian cities. Already not thousands, millions of people came out within the framework of the "Immortal Regiment" action.

This is a fundamentally different level of patriotism. This is not even patriotism - it is the unity of the nation. The President leads the convoy of the Immortal Regiment in Moscow, carrying a photograph of his father. Millions of ordinary people who did not come by the will of the organizers. And in a single impulse, in attempts to protect their history and memory of their ancestors. The president is at the head ... Can you imagine such a thing? A year ago, I would not have believed it. Today it is the realities of Russia.

You can argue for a long time about the reasons that have rallied the nation. Someone will say that the matter is the annexation of Crimea, someone will point out events in Ukraine, someone will see a Western trace in the form of attempts to rewrite history or sanctions. And I think that now it is not important. Russia has become different, and I do not know a stronger means for the development and prosperity of the country, as the unity of the people. We are moving into a new era in which, contrary to expectations, Russia has not collapsed, has not broken up, has not gone to the margins of world politics, and as it usually happens with our country, in a single outburst, it has risen and rose from its knees. Yesterday, May 9, 2015, she not only got up from her knees, but also squared her shoulders. I'm proud of my country.

[veksha50]

"Handsomely. Powerfully. Weighty"...

Well, what can I say ???

And, by the way, the Hindu-Chinese-Mongols are also soooooooo the topic .... The announcer said: Allies are coming ... Let Frau Merkel think about the meaning of this phrase, not to mention the different Hollande and Babamah ...

The main thing is that the parade showed that the aspirations of the "Fashington regional committee and comrades" for the collapse of Russia and its Armed Forces were not fulfilled, and Russia is ready for the "hot version" of sanctions ...

[Corsair0304]

And I just liked the parade. I watched it after the parade on May 9 in our city (took part in the Immortal regiment). And despite not all the flaws, with the greatest pleasure he looked at the passage of the "boxes" and at military equipment and at everything that was happening in the sky. Has anyone even counted how many tankers were lifted this year and last? And the rest did not disappoint either.
I am completely satisfied with the Victory Parade in Moscow on May 9. And if there were any unfortunate nuances, it means that we have something to correct, what to analyze and strive for an even better Parade.

PS In my distant youth I was twice in the Mausoleum and I think that his drapery is one of the unsuccessful decisions of the organizers of the parade. Is it good, is it bad, but! This is our story, and it is inappropriate to be ashamed of it.

[Roshchin]

I agree with the author of the article that last year’s parade could be considered a model. Everything is proportionate, harmonious, compact. This year the demonstration of the latest technology turned out great. I don’t know whether it was worth showing the whole world the latest promising tank from all sides, which is also not in service. The aviation part is not entirely clear. Especially the flight of aircraft first in groups, and then the same for refuellers.
In general, wonderful. It would be nice to organize other things at such a level: they picked up knowledgeable leaders, selected normal performers, provided everything necessary and trained. The same nanotechnology or the notorious Skolkovo.

[Altona]

Quote: Grove

The aviation part is not entirely clear. Especially the flight of aircraft first in groups, and then the same for refuellers.

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For spectators, the passage of fighter jets with refuelers gives a visual comparison in the sizes of transport-passenger and combat aircraft ...

[ibragim]

Quote: wanderer

I turn to the author of the article, Roman Skomorokhov (Banshee).
************************************************** ********************
Your article shows a disregard for MILITARY FINANCERS.
Have you ever met live military financiers ??? ... talked ??? ... Or do you think they are all like Serdyukov and Vasilyeva ???
ROMAN, on the street and they would fill you with physics, and would not blink an eye, what would the next time I thought to blurt out.

Now I think, will you read my words ???

Respected 94g.priehali from a business trip 3 months as it should be given, duck here the financier so we got all the money do not hesitate once in the forehead and 10% of all vydam.No than those popal.Smenili, put another and also that someone samoe.Tak war and to whom the mother is dear. And you do not say everything, 99,9% of scum are correct. So do not say that the financiers are very honest and clean.

[KBR109]

You will laugh, but the date in the Order of Courage was the first in my regiment. This beast was approaching the forefront as much as 7 km. - sat deeper than the regiment headquarters. The order was awarded to him at the headquarters of the Group - and thank God. The people did not understand.

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

So for sure ....... in 94-95 when they didn’t pay wages for half a year ....... we are fierce hatred. they hated lieutenant captains from the financial unit who came from vacations on new foreign cars and bought apartments in St. Petersburg ...... Everything follows the same pattern ......... Yes ..... and by the way for the Indians .. ...... Indians in the British troops fought in North Africa with the Nazis ........ not only with Japan

[fomkin]

I am the comrade who blurted out that V.I. Lenin is the founder of our state. In 91, Russia declared itself the legal successor of the USSR. The USSR was created under the leadership of Lenin. In a word, read the story. I also recommend Karamzin, Klyuchevsky and, for starters, M. Zadornov, this is about Rurik and the Norman theory. Lomonosov would also be nice, about the influence of pro-German forces on the history of Rus'. When I blurt something out, I know for sure. Nothing personal, just facts.

[Russian ivan]

“The Mongols. And, by the way, they had a great time! Also allies. Although they didn’t fight the Germans. But Mongolia’s contribution to our victory was enormous. We’ll talk about this later. But it’s just great that Mongolian soldiers were at this Parade.
And then... India and China. No, historically we seem to have been on the same side. Well, I mean, we had common enemies. Japanese. But if you think carefully, this is already politics."

A small historical note for the post. The state of India was formed in 1947. Until that time, it was a British colony that fought as part of the British Armed Forces. And England is an ally of the USSR in the Anti-Hitler coalition. So if you dig deeper, Indian soldiers have every moral right to congratulate others and themselves to rejoice for the Great Victory. Therefore, in this regard, I allow myself to disagree with the author. Now about China. Of course, he was not an ally of the USSR then. But for a second: more than seven and a half million losses of the army and civilians! So..... Let them go!

[Altona]

Quote: russkiy ivan

Now about China. Of course, he was not an ally of the USSR then. But for a second: more than seven and a half million losses of the army and civilians! So..... Let them go!

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Much more...China's losses are much greater, it has been at war since 1934...

[Alexey RA]

Formally, WWII began in 1939. So 7,5 million is really China’s losses in WWII. The overall losses in repelling the Japanese intervention are much higher.

In addition, there is one difficulty with China: against the backdrop of Japanese intervention, a civil war was going on in the country. In fact, China was a patchwork of provinces controlled by warlords, Chiang Kai-shek, communists, Japanese and Japanese puppets. And everyone fought with everyone, periodically making peace and concluding agreements, which were shamelessly torn at the slightest opportunity. So it is very difficult to isolate from all the losses of China during the Civilian period in WWII there: today the war is going on as a civil war, between two Chinese commanders, and tomorrow one of them becomes an ally of the Japs... and a week later - again a neutral.

[Support]

But I thought - those who came to us for the Parade are those who still consider themselves, their state, their people, to be the winner. And those who did not come - they automatically equated themselves with the losing side - and consider themselves allies (overt, hidden) of Hitler's National Socialism. And that means they took upon themselves the crimes of the above-mentioned gang. What else to think about.....

[Indifferent]

I didn’t like this review of the parade by the author. I myself went to parades many times. I know what it is. And that’s why I didn’t understand the author. As for the financiers, it’s a fact. There are very few decent ones among them. I know it from myself. One of these is even one of my “friends”. The entire Pacific fleet was stolen! While sober, he remains silent, but when he drinks, he says such things that the hair on my head begins to move.
I didn’t like the disdainful attitude towards Indians. What does cool mean? They have a different drill code. English. They don't walk like that at all. And here they had to march in the same rhythm with our columns. Well done! Just great guys! No jokes. And what girls passed!!! Just a sight for sore eyes.
Great, great parade, I watched it three times! And maybe I’ll watch it again! It's on YouTube!

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Quote: indifferent

What does cool mean?

Cool - that's what it means. It was a little surprising, both in shape and in step. But the word “cool” has no negative emotions behind it. No disdain.

[CONTROL]

...and how did the Germans behave in the occupied lands?
My mother said: “Five of the soldiers came to our communal apartment; I’m in her arms, the kitchen is empty - hunger, of course! and in other rooms - families - it’s the same, only bread... And they are eggs, chickens, lard, schnapps...
...A soldier of the army of Novorossiya will come to a Kyiv apartment and demand lard...vodka...and take money from the family...Does anyone imagine such a picture? something is not very good...

[Erg]

The city of Sudzha, Kursk region. The story of my now deceased father-in-law, the kingdom of heaven... The Germans entered the city. They set up a gallows. Communists (about 20 people) were hanged. They organized a hospital and a commandant's office. There was order in the city. If one of the soldiers looted, then one could complain to the commandant. This was strictly suppressed. Not my words... War is different...

[Lenin]

The parade clearly divided the world into two poles: supporters of the Anglo-Saxons and opponents of the Anglo-Saxons.

[kvapu1976]

Pard is not just magnificent, he is indicative of all sorts of Americans and their sycophants. Nothing and no one can scare Russia!

[Region-25.rus]

Quote: GOR_XVII

Over the thousand-year history of Russia, not one of the rulers of the country has done so much harm to it as Lenin, a bloody genius.

Have you heard about the “GOELRO plan”? No? Well then, in another way - “Communism is socialism plus ELECTRIFICATION OF THE WHOLE COUNTRY!”
Name the author? Or will you “catch up” yourself? A LIKBEZ. Is this acronym familiar? If not, I’ll decipher it - Elimination of Illiteracy. Moreover, without exception and on an all-Russian scale! Also about nothing? Well then, go to “Echo of Moscow” and “Rain”! They like to talk about the dangers of the revolution, the greatest achievements of the last Romanov and the super-duper rise of Russia before 1917. When they had not yet recovered from the defeat in the REV (and what is that?) war, when with the beginning of the First World War it turned out that there simply weren’t enough rifles for the army, and when they sent expeditions to Manchuria (and where is that?) to collect “three-line guns” (and what is that? ?) among the population, because during mobilization it turned out that there was one rifle for three (precisely in 1914 and not 1941, as pseudo-historians and grant-eaters like to write). When, after the first months of the First World War, the “shell famine” began (what is that?). When it turned out that in Russia there were too many shell factories on one hand and they began to distribute production contracts to private shops (with corresponding consequences), when 90% of the population lived in villages and instead of a signature they put a cross... etc. and so on.
So, baht-t-shade, V.I. Lenin when he said - “Study! Study! And study again!” Apparently he meant people like you, who have learned to move your finger across the Khadgets and, on that basis, imagine yourself to be the crown of evolution.

[Noncombatant]

If we exclude admiration for the Victory Parade (this is not discussed), what is this article about, which Roman Skomorokhov sculpted and called “reflections”??? What is this??? Only specifically, not in general terms.

[Moncyber]

Quote: GOR_XVII

Basarev, it’s not you and the saag who accidentally distributed thousands of leaflets against Putin and the government during the celebrations? What, the State Department allocated funds?
PS. Victory Day is a national holiday, regardless of party affiliation and views, and a concrete grave with a mummy of an ambiguous politician provokes a feeling of rejection among a huge number of Russian citizens. So the mausoleum was closed correctly, although it would have long been necessary to remove it from Red Square and it does not represent any historical heritage.

You are right about only one thing, Lenin should be buried in the ground. The mausoleum cannot be removed, because... it represents a HUGE historical heritage: for more than 70 years, the country lived under the slogans of Leninism. And there is no need to be like the Ukrainians who are fighting against monuments. No matter how bitter this legacy may be in some ways, it was and is. You can’t just throw facts out of history and forget them. In Ukraine, Svidomo people do this and we see what they have become. History is not only good, but also terrible.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: moncyber

You are right about only one thing, Lenin should be buried in the ground.

If you bury it, then in the Mausoleum.
No one is surprised by burials in the centers of European cities - in the same St. Peter's Cathedral in Rome/Vatican or St. Paul's Cathedral in London.

[Zubr vko]

I would like to return to the theme of the orchestra... Chief military conductor Khalilov appeared on the screen no less often than the President))) The truth is not always in focus... Life brought me together with him in 1976, when he arrived as a lieutenant after graduating from the military conducting department of the Conservatory to our school - Pushkinskoe Vure Air Defense... A LOT OF YEARS HAVE PASSED, but I still remember how, after auditioning, he kicked me out of the school choir)))) Specialist of the highest category!!!! I still don’t sing...))))

[Prometey]

I still don’t understand what the author was thinking about - that instead of Indians and Chinese, soldiers from England, France and the USA should have marched across Red Square? Well, not even a single high-ranking official came from them. And if relations were a little warmer, this would hardly have been possible - after all, parades are not democratic, just for the “eastern barbarians.” By the way, the Greeks could march with full rights along with the Serbs.
And the very participation of Indians and Chinese is symbolic - not only a tribute to the memory of the fallen, but also a hint of a joint struggle for peace in the present.

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Quote: Prometey

I still don’t understand what the author was thinking about - that instead of Indians and Chinese, soldiers from England, France and the USA should have marched across Red Square?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Prometey

I still don’t understand what the author was thinking about - that instead of Indians and Chinese, soldiers from England, France and the USA should have marched across Red Square? Well, not even a single high-ranking official came from them. And if relations were a little warmer, this would hardly have been possible - after all, parades are not democratic, just for the “eastern barbarians.”

Hmm... the French would not agree with you.

And my favorite photo:

The parade there is the best means of trolling liberals howling about "barbarian tradition" And "none of the civilized countries hold military parades".

[RossV]

I want to ask you where our generals hid the Ratnik kit. Fresh photo of the exercises in North Ossetia. Who's in what, partisans

[DON-100]

Quote: GOR_XVII

So they closed the mausoleum correctly, although it should have been removed from Red Square a long time ago and it does not represent any historical heritage.

Agree. Lenin’s body needs to be buried, stop mocking the corpse, you should have thought of making an idol out of the corpse for worship. What they turned Red Square into, a sacred place for Russia. I don’t understand this, because there are graves there, Lenin’s body is there, and all kinds of concerts, dances, actually dances on bones are held there! And we Russians also love to talk about our spirituality. Disgrace! The cemetery can no longer be cleaned up, but at least Lenin needs to be buried.
PS You can downvote as much as you like.

[motorized rifle]

Morning of May 9, Kyiv. I'm getting ready to watch the parade, I turned on RTR on smart TV. Everything is beautiful, Putin greets foreign guests, now they are already in the stands, here is the fanfare, then bam! Ukrainian providers and Russian channels do not broadcast everything and anywhere. However, I turned on the computer and looked on the Internet, the screen is of course smaller, but nothing. So, even watching the parade by one’s own citizens seems dangerous for the current government in Ukraine!

[Pushkar]

For me, the main thing in this parade is that the Victory Banner was carried IN FRONT of the tricolor, and not BEHIND, as in previous parades. If only they hadn’t covered the mausoleum with cardboard boxes with doves...

[Neva_baz]

The parade was very enjoyable and inspiring. A feeling of pride in Russia and our armed forces filled my heart and soul. My fellow soldiers and I served in the USSR Armed Forces, and later in the Russian Armed Forces, our entire adult lives.
We were fortunate to serve in an era of strong and powerful Army and Navy. Then the USSR was respected by all countries - both enemies and “friends”. I also had to serve during the collapse of the Armed Forces, when for training and exercises they poured literally glasses of fuel into the fuel tanks of combat vehicles. Then we were despised by all countries - both enemies and, even more than enemies, former “friends”.
Now, it seems to me, there is a revival of the former power of our glorious Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. And this was shown by the Parade dedicated to the 70th anniversary of the Great Victory of the Soviet people in the Second World War. Again our enemies begin to respect us and it’s a pity that our former “friends” yelp in impotent anger, like a pug at an elephant.
Now we are in reserve, but our sons are in the ranks, some are already in battalion commander positions. I hope that they will be luckier than we are and they will serve in the resurgent powerful troops of our Motherland and enhance the glorious traditions of our grandfathers and fathers.

[epsilon571]

In the past, I am a military musician, I participated in four parades on Red Square in 74-77, two of them as a student of the IED. The main conductors of the military orchestra service during my time were Nazarov and Mikhailov. I have something to compare with, and apart from the grandiose technology, I didn’t like this parade. Perhaps this is the unfortunate merit of the general director of Channel One OJSC, Konstantin Ernst, this “outstanding figure” - the chick of Medvedev’s nest, has a rare ability to spoil everything he undertakes, but the musicians are young . Sergei Kuzhugetovich Shoigu also made many mistakes: firstly, when greeting the troops, he did not name their affiliation and spoke too drawn out, and secondly, he sat during the parade parade, and this is unacceptable in military etiquette. The closed mausoleum reduced the solemnity of the moment; all the leaders of the Country should have stood on its podium, especially those responsible for defense, this is already unforgivable. What I liked, I liked the “Immortal Regiment” and the people who walked with photographs of their loved ones, among them was Putin, this is the most powerful moment of the holiday, this has never happened before. By the way, they didn’t show Medvedev, or rather they only showed him briefly, and he wasn’t at the people’s procession.

[Placebo]

Yes, the Victory Parade was magnificent, grandiose, it brought tears of pride and nostalgia for the Parades of the Brezhnev era... After Crimea, this is another positive shock to the core. And Lenin is the victorious Maidan of 1917, and the state that was built and the Victory in the war - not thanks to, but in spite of, this and the figures who followed him. The Russian people have overcome everything and will overcome everything, because God is with us!

[kanast45]

At the Victory Parade, not a single name of Pobeditili was mentioned

[mQn]

A magnificent Victory Parade, reflecting the full power of Russia!

[RossV]

Personally, I am very, very disappointed with the parade! I won’t say here, like many patriots, cheers that we showed Kuzka’s mother to all enemies. I can’t understand how much more time needs to pass before our army and the Russian soldier stop disgracing the whole world. I expected to see a professional Russian army of the 21st century, in modern field equipment with the latest light small arms made from modern materials, equipped with all possible sighting devices. What do we actually see? They dressed up the soldiers as demobilization clowns: Instead of the comfortable and modern Ratnik, which every soldier should be wearing at the parade, we see an incomprehensible dress uniform of multi-colored clowns with aiguillettes and moronic white gloves. The only thing missing was a thick white hem, like a demobilization, then the idiotic image would have been completed. The paratroopers in Ratnik are a different story altogether; they have always not been very smart. I want to laugh and roll on the floor. How can you wear field equipment that is supposed to camouflage a soldier and where a closed collar with Velcro is implied, ironed out and exposed to the navel of a vest for the whole world to see, which should have long been removed as a relic of the past. Look how far we are. Let us now all in the army wear a Streltsy caftan or boucles on our heads as a sign of respect for traditions. It’s funny and sad to look at the field exercises that took place in our country, as always, soldiers wearing what: modern numbers and old body armor with a metal helmet, tactical glasses who bought them where, it’s clear that they simply are not in the army, not to mention modern models. When will they make the Minister of Defense not old pot-bellied senile people or firefighters, but a really young and competent officer with a modern view of the development of the army in the 21st century. At the parade, the Azerbaijani soldiers alone really looked like a modern army. Small arms are all without optics, if they are so embarrassed to equip our soldiers with optics at the General Staff, then let the generals themselves drag their fat asses to the front line and receive a bullet from the enemy who is precisely fully equipped with these devices and modern thermal imagers. Isn’t it still clear at the top that a soldier doesn’t need this clown dress uniform on which the Defense Ministry spends crazy money, but needs the best field uniform and equipment and the best small arms. There is little time left and we need a first-class Russian soldier and not another shame and terrible losses as it was in 1941.

[goose]

Quote: RossV

Isn’t it still clear at the top that a soldier doesn’t need this clown dress uniform on which the Defense Ministry spends crazy money, but needs the best field uniform and equipment and the best small arms. There is little time left and we need a first-class Russian soldier and not another shame and terrible losses as it was in 1941.

That's right, there is no need to replace real things with historical props, there is no need to repeat the lessons of the Crimean War, when the army was left without rifled weapons, but we also must not forget that about 80% of the soldiers in WWII were killed by mortars, and not by riflemen with optics.

[RossV]

When two replicas of the Soviet army are fighting, losses can and will only come from artillery fire. But they will fight against us not according to the Soviet style, but according to the Western model. You can see how US soldiers act and shoot in Afghanistan. Like in a shooting range, they shoot bearded men from long distances, and they are practically unable to offer them any resistance in a direct confrontation. At the Donetsk airport, the artillery inflicted virtually no losses on the enemy, except when they found themselves in open space and spotters quickly spotted them and called fire on the targeted squares. These were mainly losses from accurate sniper or machine gun fire, maximum AGS or heavy machine guns. The head appeared and immediately received a bullet. For this, a respected expert, you need high-quality optics with a better range so that the infantryman can quickly take aim, shoot and hide, and not be a target for a sniper trying to correctly align the front sight with the rear sight

[erg]

The dress uniform is intended for military rituals, which is what the parade is. And also as a weekend and holiday uniform. A soldier in a field uniform would look stupid, for example, in a theater or in a restaurant, etc. The field uniform is made so that it can be buttoned completely or, on the contrary, unbuttoned at the top (depending on weather conditions). I'm talking about the paratroopers' equipment. The vest is worn for the parade, purely for beauty. Don't be so naive, the field uniform does not provide for unmasking things. There is a tradition in the army to combine bright colored elements with field uniforms, but this is only used in peacetime. In the tsarist army, colored shoulder straps were worn on field uniforms, but in wartime they were replaced with protective ones. In the US Army, an indispensable ceremonial attribute is a colored neckerchief (colors according to the type of troops and services), which is worn with the field uniform. But I repeat, all this is a ceremonial element and is worn only on certain occasions not related to combat missions. By the way, we had a period when there was no dress uniform. This is the period before the Second World War. Only in the late thirties and early forties they began to develop the parade again. Moreover, the initiative came from the military themselves. But why a weapon with optics is needed at a parade is completely incomprehensible to me. Optics belongs to the category of special equipment and equipment. Needed for specific combat operations. Why attach it to a weapon to go through the parade?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: erg

But why a weapon with optics is needed at a parade is completely incomprehensible to me. Optics belongs to the category of special equipment and equipment. Needed for specific combat operations. Why attach it to a weapon to go through the parade?

Probably to show that the optics have moved from the "it’s supposed to be according to the state, but in reality it’s with a comrade warrant officer behind 7 locks"to category"we can even afford to go to the parade with her".

[Victor Demchenko]

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Quote: Alexey RA

Probably in order to show that the optics have moved from the category “it’s standard, but it actually belongs to a comrade ensign behind 7 locks” to the category “we can even afford to go to a parade with it.”

In my opinion, your post is about nothing, sorry... to whom and why to show it? In my opinion, it’s better that all the above-mentioned stickies are owned by the one who needs it. and by the way: have you tried shooting from a barrel with optics? If so, you know that shooting from such a barrel is MUCH more difficult than from a regular, open sight. so there is simply no need to give such weapons to EVERYONE. collimators - yes, but again you need to BE ABLE to shoot with them!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: RossV

What do we actually see? They dressed up the soldiers as demobilization clowns: Instead of the comfortable and modern Ratnik, which every soldier should be wearing at the parade, we see an incomprehensible dress uniform of multi-colored clowns with aiguillettes and moronic white gloves. The only thing missing was a thick white hem, like a demobilization, then the idiotic image would have been completed.

And everything is fine - no one laughs.

[RossV]

But I’ll laugh.

[loaln]

I was pleased with the parade. But it will continue to delight and warm the souls of Russians only in one case if it becomes the basis, and not a colorful candy wrapper, of real, not imaginary, transformations in the country!

[Sendi7s]

The parade, of course, was grandiose. And the whole program of this day is wonderful.
But “The Immortal Regiment” still evoked stronger emotions. To tears. Moreover, it was pouring rain, and later snow began to fall - and his procession was postponed. Our "Immortal Regiment" will march on June 12.

[ingener1966]

For me, an indicator of the growth of the state is electricity consumption..... Therefore, take and look at the statistics, how many kilowatts of energy increased per capita during Brezhnev’s time. I am an energy engineer myself and I know how it was built, and how many blocks a year. so when they say stagnation during the time of Brezhnev, I get very nervous....

[RossV]

Quote: erg

The dress uniform is intended for military rituals, which is what the parade is. And also as a weekend and holiday uniform. A soldier in a field uniform would look stupid, for example, in a theater or in a restaurant, etc. The field uniform is made so that it can be buttoned completely or, on the contrary, unbuttoned at the top (depending on weather conditions). I'm talking about the paratroopers' equipment. The vest is worn for the parade, purely for beauty. Don't be so naive, the field uniform does not provide for unmasking things. There is a tradition in the army to combine bright colored elements with field uniforms, but this is only used in peacetime. In the tsarist army, colored shoulder straps were worn on field uniforms, but in wartime they were replaced with protective ones. In the US Army, an indispensable ceremonial attribute is a colored neckerchief (colors according to the type of troops and services), which is worn with the field uniform. But I repeat, all this is a ceremonial element and is worn only on certain occasions not related to combat missions. By the way, we had a period when there was no dress uniform. This is the period before the Second World War. Only in the late thirties and early forties they began to develop the parade again. Moreover, the initiative came from the military themselves. But why a weapon with optics is needed at a parade is completely incomprehensible to me. Optics belongs to the category of special equipment and equipment. Needed for specific combat operations. Why attach it to a weapon to go through the parade?

The question is just right, dear one. If you look at the latest exercises of our army, you will notice even with the naked eye that the army is almost as poor in equipment as it was last year.
1. The soldiers are in what, who was able to snatch something, more or less, and so the boy is standing, he looks like a size 46 and is worth 54. And they sew new jackets and field trousers for the soldiers, it’s just disgusting, it’s some kind of shapeless bag heels made of very poor fabric. Anyone who understands what I’m talking about doesn’t have to go far, just go to any equipment store and you can immediately understand the quality of Western fabric and our domestic one, starting from the cut that just fits the figure perfectly, ending with the naturalness of the colors and the quality of the fabric from the first ones. For us, even the colors are poisonous, I don’t understand where such a green forest has been seen in nature. During combat operations, the nature around generally becomes extremely gray and gloomy (photos from combat positions without any greenery at all). I am silent about modern body armor and additional body kits and unloadings for them and high-quality infantry backpacks for our soldier, probably only at the exhibition and shown, although in in European armies, not to mention the American one, this is the most common part of a national soldier’s equipment. Guard, not to mention the Marines or Rangers.
2. I’d rather keep silent about small arms and optics because I haven’t felt such shame as a military man for a long time, so there’s no need to burden people who don’t understand what a dress uniform is needed for, etc.
The money that is spent on this squalor, and there is no other way to call this demobilization uniform, would be better spent on a soldier’s field uniform, otherwise when a soldier or an officer walks into the subway in a lump, you feel so sorry, you want to immediately give money.
Enough of these songs already (the armor is strong and the tanks are fast). I’m already sick of this, because for these beautiful peacock feathers that we saw at the parade, ordinary soldiers and junior officers will have to pay with their lives

[Technologist]

And here in Novosib, a week before the parade, they started shouting: For the first time in history, on the main square of the city, launchers of the Yars complex, and in the end they drove away a couple of tankers. Scammers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But the aviation was seen only from the stands and by those who came with passes. In short, the parade, by and large, was for the local “beau monde”, and the mood of many townspeople was spoiled (((((.

[kunstkammer]

and I am a participant in the 100th parade
I think everyone can be invited.
But this holiday is ours.
I don't care about those who "don't want" to come.

[akudr48]

The LPR + DPR combined column was missing at the parade.

They really deserved to walk along Red Square.

[Evgeniy30]

Quote: Basarev

It’s just that they understand by the depth of their minds that in comparison with Stalin, who in that historical Parade stood on the podium of the Mausoleum, they are insignificants and a wretched country in comparison with the Stalinist USSR. So they are trying to cover up their shame. And since they are basically incapable of atonement through Russia’s breakthrough into the future, they go along the easiest path - the struggle against monuments and the total blackening of the USSR.

Agree. Why they buried it is not clear. Our so-called The elite, with rare exceptions, behave like nonentities, dirtying the past and past leaders with mud, because they do not live up to them and lose in comparison. They are afraid that the time will return, where there will be confiscation, and responsibility for their affairs.... So they denigrate the USSR, Stalin, Beria, etc. in every possible way.

[Evgeniy30]

What I didn't like about the parade was wearing berets. When will they stop always looking up to the ov and return to the tradition of wearing berets as it was in the USSR? It was much more beautiful!

[Evgeniy30]

Quote: DON-100

Quote: GOR_XVII

So they closed the mausoleum correctly, although it should have been removed from Red Square a long time ago and it does not represent any historical heritage.

Agree. Lenin’s body needs to be buried, stop mocking the corpse, you should have thought of making an idol out of the corpse for worship. What they turned Red Square into, a sacred place for Russia. I don’t understand this, because there are graves there, Lenin’s body is there, and all kinds of concerts, dances, actually dances on bones are held there! And we Russians also love to talk about our spirituality. Disgrace! The cemetery can no longer be cleaned up, but at least Lenin needs to be buried.
PS You can downvote as much as you like.

Lenin is BURIED. How does the Mausoleum bother you and others like you? Why aren't Americans screaming about closing Grant's mausoleum? Why do other countries have Mausoleums? Is it okay that Lenin essentially formed the USSR, whose legal successor is the Russian Federation today? If you don’t want to go to the Mausoleum, don’t go, they won’t force you there. I didn’t go either, but let it stand, this is our story.

[twincam]

I’m really happy about the parades in the LPR and DPR.

[Sloavaros]

Quote: Metallurg

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About the parade. I really didn’t like the behavior of the elderly veteran photographer behind the speaking president’s back. This photographer did not listen to the congratulations of our president - he took pictures. I agree with Metallurg’s opinion about Lenin’s personality. Ilyich’s main merit was that he pitted his own people against a fratricidal war. The merit is negative, the echo is still going on in all countries. Historians interpret the events of 1917 differently. But no matter how great the idea is, we should never kill our own.

[Nursultan]

Thank you Roman for the kind words addressed to the allies. No, not allies, but fraternal countries of the former USSR. We were one people; my two grandfathers also did not return from that war.

[Banson]

The state of the equipment of the army of Novorossiya is noteworthy. The T-72B tanks there are simply in excellent condition and look no worse than the T-90A or T-14. It is not clear where they were taken from. Did we fix ours or did we give it to them?

[Neva_baz]

Quote: epsilon571

Sergei Kuzhugetovich Shoigu also made many mistakes: firstly, when greeting the troops, he did not name their affiliation and spoke too drawn out, and secondly, he sat during the parade parade, and this is unacceptable in military etiquette.

Yes, this unfortunately becomes a tradition. According to the Internal Service Charter and the Drill Regulations of the RF Armed Forces, military personnel must greet the military formation while standing, and even more so when greeting a parade. Here, not only the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, but also the Commander-in-Chief, during the parade, in violation of the Charter of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, sit as if in a theater. Perhaps this is a parade show for them? I myself took part in the parade on Red Square in 1977. L.I. Brezhnev, in his advanced years, greeted the parade as expected while standing. Maybe they didn’t study general military regulations? True, I saw that when military personnel passed on foot, the Ministry of Defense received the parade standing, but when units passed by in vehicles, they were already sitting. Probably tired.

[ibragim]

Quote: KBR109

You will laugh, but the date in the Order of Courage was the first in my regiment. This beast was approaching the forefront as much as 7 km. - sat deeper than the regiment headquarters. The order was awarded to him at the headquarters of the Group - and thank God. The people did not understand.

Well, the main thing is that we preserved our conscience and honor.

[Dimo No. 1]

Nice parade, solemn and memorable!

[Monarchist25]

Quote: fomkin

I am the comrade who blurted out that V.I. Lenin is the founder of our state. In 91, Russia declared itself the legal successor of the USSR. The USSR was created under the leadership of Lenin. In a word, read the story. I also recommend Karamzin, Klyuchevsky and, for starters, M. Zadornov, this is about Rurik and the Norman theory. Lomonosov would also be nice, about the influence of pro-German forces on the history of Rus'. When I blurt something out, I know for sure. Nothing personal, just facts.

So for you the history of Russia began in 1917?
Succession from the USSR was proclaimed for a number of reasons, including time frames, political system, etc. This is from a legal point of view, and in theory. But in fact, modern Russia positions itself as the legal successor of the entire period of Russian history. And if there are still fanatics who trace the state back to the bloody revolution, I am afraid for the Fatherland.

[Evgeniy30]

Quote: Monarchist25

Quote: fomkin

I am the comrade who blurted out that V.I. Lenin is the founder of our state. In 91, Russia declared itself the legal successor of the USSR. The USSR was created under the leadership of Lenin. In a word, read the story. I also recommend Karamzin, Klyuchevsky and, for starters, M. Zadornov, this is about Rurik and the Norman theory. Lomonosov would also be nice, about the influence of pro-German forces on the history of Rus'. When I blurt something out, I know for sure. Nothing personal, just facts.

So for you the history of Russia began in 1917?
Succession from the USSR was proclaimed for a number of reasons, including time frames, political system, etc. This is from a legal point of view, and in theory. But in fact, modern Russia positions itself as the legal successor of the entire period of Russian history. And if there are still fanatics who trace the state back to the bloody revolution, I am afraid for the Fatherland.

No, of course not, but Lenin did NOT destroy the Empire. And we respect Lenin because he shook off the February shifters from government places. If not for them, then Lenin would not have done anything. The Mausoleum stands and let it stand. This is our history, demolishing graves is not for us. Lenin acted within the framework of the situation that arose after the February coup. And if the king had not been the stupid man Nikolashka, then there would have been nothing to talk about. So calm down and don't touch Lenin.

[sanyavolhv]

health
I'll put in my three cents. here people asked about the benefits of Lenin... .
what is the use of a politician?
1.probably the satisfaction of the people. were the people happy with Lenin’s actions yesterday, but what about today?
2.probably independence from strangers, the choice of your strangers is subjective. was independence yesterday today?
3. educational level of the people. yesterday the people were dark, lived in communes, worked and were extremely sensitive to well-protected deception. Today, most of the people can distinguish lies from the truth. Another thing is choosing a side... and the consequences of this choice, today and tomorrow and even the day after tomorrow. I repeat, the revolution happens when FATHERS AND MOTHERS CAN’T, AND “THEY ARE CHILDREN” DON’T WANT. and vice versa, if offended children do NOT lead the process, if adults are in charge, the process will go as it should.
4. next. The benefit of a politician is the ability to calculate losses and gains. The price of the issue either matters or it doesn’t. preserving the life of EVERY HUMAN was invented by those politicians who need to be elected. in fact, the price of human life can change over time.
5. the ability of a politician to give to his EMPLOYERS, and Lenin was HIRE by people, FAITH in some glorious = bright future. that he grabbed the position? Well, excuse me, this also happens, you need to be able to eliminate competitors... but some of the people supported him = hired him.
6. I almost forgot. the ability to resolve issues peacefully. also benefit.

Here, in short, are perhaps the criteria for the usefulness of a politician.

[skrabplus.ru]

I expected something unusual from the PARADE... and then the Idus appeared on Red Square, followed by the Chinese! Handsome guys! Putin is a genius! what the PARADE was missing!
pin_dos got another slap in the face!

[RossV]

I read all your comments and honestly, I feel like I’m probably in another dimension. The fact that everyone is simply squealing with admiration for this shame that is called our army is probably half the trouble. In all seriousness, people care about how they walked or stood, how they pulled their leg and kept the formation. Hurray, the patriots wrote that now we will tear everyone apart like a hot water bottle. Doesn't this remind you of anything, dear ones? For example, the 40s, when everyone believed that there was little bloodshed and on foreign territory and that the Red Army was invincible? When our falcons flew on airplanes over Red Square in the form of a formation with memorable dates of the October Revolution. I have a strong feeling of deja vu. Commentator Neva_baz, for example, is very concerned about the drill regulations, and erg and Alexey RA are indignant that someone dared to joke that the army at the parade represented an army of multi-colored demobilizations with aiguillettes. This is outrageous and God forbid that all the soldiers at the parade were dressed in the new Ratnik field uniform, how can they, poor fellows, go to a cafe or restaurant with a girl. The fact that they were not armed with the latest small arms with the latest sights on them is also superfluous, as one put it - this is special equipment and there’s nothing to show it off, of course, let it lie under seven locks in the ensign’s closet. If they told an American Marine that an optical sight on a weapon is a special tool, then I think he would say Fuck you! This is unnecessary and unnecessary, it’s a parade and a show. Commentator goose generally went further and noted that there is no need for modern small arms, since losses are mainly 80% from artillery fire, etc. The fact that paratroopers who do not have a great mind in life will ruin the correct field uniform by smoothing their collars and showing their undershirts to the whole world, well, let’s also put on booklets and a Streltsy caftan, these are our traditions and it doesn’t matter that we are in the 21st century same landing party. I want to describe to all the heroes and leaders the first approximate clashes between an ordinary motorized rifle platoon of the Russian Federation with a landing force and motorized infantry cowboys and blacks from the USA!

The author of this cheerful article and our cheerful patriots commentators Neva_baz, Erg, Alexey RA and everyone else who are very admired by the pseudo changes of our invincible and legendary will serve in our motorized rifle unit. Since the enemy will naturally attack suddenly and will not even use nuclear weapons to do so, then, in principle, at the assembly point they will somehow dress our heroes and patriots in whatever. There will be no warriors and new small arms from the gunsmiths will not be given out; they are superfluous at the parade, but the warehouses will be bursting with old field uniforms and everyone’s favorite demobilization dress uniform 2015, which was purchased with such frenzy and about which everyone is so madly delighted. Naturally, thank God, they will arm at least AKs and not PPShs, which were also piled up in warehouses, and NATO was not interested in these warehouses and no one sent Tomahawks in their direction. Why else would you waste such expensive ammunition on this junk? But warehouses with more modern weapons have long been in ruins after the first strike. Since there will be no front line in this house as such, this unit, suffering in an uncomfortable uniform and boots in old steel helmets, remembering with obscene language the peacock parade of 2015 and their pot-bellied commanders hung from head to toe with medals, will somehow enter the oncoming battle. Yes, you won’t believe they will be able to reach the front, though without equipment that will burn out on the march and will not even be destroyed from a drone from the command center in Germany, and not because, unlike the Ratnik kit, in the thermal imager they will glow with bright white figures like New Year's lights, but just because it would be a shame to waste air-to-surface missiles on them because the drone operator knows that these guys are marching either to heaven or to captivity. And here he is, a counter battle with the white guys of the southern United States and their faithful blacks.

[RossV]

The author and other characters suddenly began to notice that their combat friends began to fall headless, what kind of fatal disease this was, and my dear Barrett M107A1 12,7 mm sniper rifles began to work from a distance of more than 1 km. Neva_baz, erg, Alexey RA, dying under this precise fire, remember our colorful parade with peacocks and pot-bellied generals hung with medals, this is the last thing they will remember. Horror and fear take hold of the still living fighters of our heroic unit; they did not know that intelligence data about them from unmanned aerial vehicles, which are like rain in the sky, have long been on the tablet of the commander of the reconnaissance unit of the rangers on an MRAP SUV. Ours does not have such a tablet because it was only shown on TV from the Ratnik kit that was not needed at the parade. But the harmless turkey hunt haunts other rangers with unusual light rifles, each of which has optics that we don’t need for Russian wars, but at our parade, uncles hung with medals walked and demobilized peacocks marched and we all rejoiced like children. And so, from a fairly long distance of aimed fire, the rangers are having fun shooting our guys outside the zone of our actual fire from AKs, the black operators sitting in the Stryker armored personnel carrier are already bored with the Bushmaster automatic guns. Let the guys from the south have fun, but the blacks can't. Our guys fall as if decimated and cannot understand where they are being fired at with such diabolical accuracy, and then our landing party moves to the rescue, hiding in the forest, although also without equipment that burns out on the road. Maddened by fear of the Russian paratroopers, the black man watches them through an optical sight and nothing in the forest gives away their disguise, not the blue beret that these very smart guys will definitely put on their bad heads, not the navel-length vest, not the Streltsy caftan also dressed as a sign traditions like the vest. Out of boredom, the blacks also began to shoot turkeys in the forest. The wounded paratrooper doesn’t understand how he was discovered so quickly in the forest, he was so camouflaged, he even put on a vest and takes it, and then you have a bullet in your stomach because the armored armor was issued to you as an old one, and not from the Warrior kit, but he remembered the Armata tank at the parade and the Teletubbies in metal and a tear of admiration rolls down his cheek. He’s lying wounded, there are no more empty bottles and bricks to smash on his head, and there’s no fountain nearby where you can dive with cheap beer, you still don’t want to live. This is such a sad (where we win there) story of one small battle of cheers for the patriots.

[RossV]

The meaning of this fable is this. Our pot-bellied generals do not need a high-class Russian soldier, nor do they need first-class Russian infantry dressed and shod in advanced and comfortable equipment, equipped with accurate sights and long-range small arms made of modern lightweight materials with advanced communications. Our generals also do not need highly educated junior officers, whose shoulders bear the brunt of fighting and managing the main platoon-company-battalion units. The generals need the tanks that we make like sausages and their great, naturally in quotes, military leadership talent. Therefore, from year to year, you and I see sad pictures from exercises where our soldiers are dressed differently and armed differently, as if they were a gang of robbers and not regular combat units. We see parades where soldiers are made into demobilization clowns tied with aiguillettes and other tinsel. We still carry weapons on our chests, although it has already been proven that it is more convenient to use and safer when worn with the barrel down. The guys from Azerbaijan understood this, but we, the great Russians, still don’t. Our generals in the 21st century are preparing for the war of the last century, and this should outrage us all and not delight us as described by the author of the article and the majority of cheering patriotic commentators. For all the peacock feathers of the parade, in battle the soldiers will have to pay with their lives. Our women do not give birth to soldiers like machine guns, and our General Staff still drives soldiers at them at bayonet point. Soldiers still do not even have decent protection, not to mention the fashionable gadgets with which NATO soldiers are equipped from head to toe. The field uniform number before the Ratnik looks like a blatant bag on a soldier and is simply terrible from the point of view of convenience and practicality. We need to spend money on the Russian soldier, and not on parades with demobilization uniforms and trinkets.

[Volga Cossack]

I agree with the author of the article on everything! especially for the countries participating in the parade! A special bow to the Mongols!

[Neva_baz]

Quote: RossV

The meaning of this fable is this.

That's exactly what fables are. Where does he get so much hatred for Russia? Probably either a sent Cossack, or...
Yes, the RF Armed Forces are still far from perfect, but after the depressing 90s and 24s, a fleet is being built, new ships and submarines are being laid down at shipyards and launched. The troops are receiving new equipment, weapons, and aircraft. Tactical and operational exercises are being conducted again. Young officer guys don’t leave the fields, they serve 2 hours a day. My son has already been to a hot spot, and the other is at XNUMX BS. And I'm proud of them.
The same events can be looked at differently. To some, black bread is delicious, but to others, even honey is crap.
The answer to the fable was written by RossV, of course, not for RossV. Much honor. It’s just that this opus may leave a bad aftertaste for others. But I don’t want that.

[RossV]

Neva_baz I have no hatred for Russia because I myself am Russian and, unlike some, I don’t fly in the clouds, but I react very painfully to its failures and losses, since I served for quite a long time and roughly know what I’m talking about. But the reality is this. Yes, it’s difficult to compare the army with the one that existed in 90 and 2000, and even 2010. But let’s take a closer look without rose-colored glasses. Anyone who served as a career officer, and not as a jacket, I’m sure will agree with me that although technology is changing, the residue from the previous workers’ and peasants’ army remains and is even cultivated in military institutes. Among the army there should be a radical break in the traditions of the mass Soviet army and a transition to even better standards than in the NATO armies, but it feels like no one from the highest army ranks is paying attention to this. World standards for the development of higher qualities, which are required in the 21st century for a soldier as an independent combat unit, armed and equipped with the best personal weapons and high-quality equipment in the world, are becoming increasingly strict. It’s a pity that in your rosy dreams you completely ignore the truth. But truth is better now than defeat in the future.

[Johnryder]

My friend, I’m sorry, of course, but as an amateur, it seems to me that modern war is a war of large calibers. And in such a war, reconnaissance and air superiority (for superpowers - in space) are decisive. Roughly speaking, if a paratrooper in a beret and vest encounters enemy resistance, he simply retreats and waits for artillery (aviation) to plow up the area where he is to attack. Again resistance - again retreat and plow. Until they calm down, it doesn’t come. And for special conditions and operations, there are a few troops with good equipment. For a paratrooper “in a vest” and a Kalash gun is enough to occupy the scorched earth. Super equipment and equipment is not critical for him IMHO.

[RossV]

Well, dear, with such knowledge, I think we won’t get away with 27 million. Of course, why hone the individual skills of a soldier? It’s still a consumable material for generals, and women still give birth. Bravo, but then don’t be surprised that we are considered second-class citizens and are not touched just because there is a good supply of nuclear warheads. There is a good proverb that people are greeted by their clothes. It is necessary for the soldier to feel like a warrior and not a sheep to be slaughtered.

[Evgeniy30]

Quote: Sloavaros

Quote: Metallurg

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About the parade. I really didn’t like the behavior of the elderly veteran photographer behind the speaking president’s back. This photographer did not listen to the congratulations of our president - he took pictures. I agree with Metallurg’s opinion about Lenin’s personality. Ilyich’s main merit was that he pitted his own people against a fratricidal war. The merit is negative, the echo is still going on in all countries. Historians interpret the events of 1917 differently. But no matter how great the idea is, we should never kill our own.

Lenin did not pit any people against each other. The civil war was started by white bastards.

[Tbilisi]

Your army is not even close to the US Armed Forces!
Don’t tease the eagle, otherwise there will be nothing left of the “bear”.
God bless America.

[RossV]

Oh damn, the hook-nosed donkeys woke up. Your place was shown to you in 2008, sit there and join democratic values

[Tbilisi]

Yeah, they pointed out, I remember your Fuhrer hanging our president for one place, he swore, somehow it didn’t work out, right?
Just like taking Tbilisi or installing pro-Russian power in Tbilisi.
Now, one of these days there will be Georgian-American exercises in Tbilisi.......

[RossV]

We would like to take it, don’t you really think that Russian troops stood 30 km from Tbilisi and the proud Georgians did not let them in? No, it’s just that you are our neighbors and were once friends, although you have become very poor, but as they say, you don’t choose relatives. There was no problem in capturing Tbilisi, since there was no one left to defend the capital of Georgia; your main combat-ready units were either in an operational environment or simply scurrying around. The Russians do not want to organize a massacre of Georgians, which CIA agent Saakashvili pushed your people to do. Remember that power is in truth and sooner or later the Georgian people will recognize it. He will find out how unscrupulously and vilely the CIA and State Department agent Saakashvili exposed and robbed his people in this war, which was needed only by mattress makers. Your men did not die for a united Georgia, but for the interests of a handful of Zionists from the USA.