The indigenous people of Hawaii and Alaska urged the UN to ensure their legitimate right to self-determination

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Representatives of the indigenous population of the Hawaiian Islands and Alaska appealed to the world community to ensure their right to self-determination in connection with the "illegal annexation and occupation of territories by the United States." In a popular statement, they asked the UN member states to raise this issue during a meeting scheduled for 11 in May on the state of human rights and freedoms in the United States. Reports about it TASS.

The indigenous people of Hawaii and Alaska urged the UN to ensure their legitimate right to self-determination


The statement said Hawaii and Alaska "were absorbed by the United States in 1959 through deception and deliberate violation of the UN mandate and principles, and the process of self-determination." The document calls on the World Organization to "correct the error."

It stresses that “Russia's sale of Alaska to the US in 1867 did not mean transferring sovereignty over the Alaska to the United States,” and the unceremonious “US invasion of Hawaii in 1893 was undertaken in violation of bilateral treaties and international law.”

Representatives of peoples intend to pursue their goals in a peaceful way through UN mechanisms and through referendums. For this, a joint working group was created, called the Alliance of Alaska-Hawaii for Self-Determination.

Hawaii spokesman Leon Siu told reporters yesterday: “Our culture is repressed. However, the actions of the United States are directed not only against our culture, but also of peace on the planet, since the military base Pearl Harbor is located in Hawaii. During military exercises they pollute our land and water. From this, people get sick. This is an abuse of our land and people. We don't want to be part of the war machine. ”

In turn, the representative of Alaska, Ronald Barnes, called the US policy on indigenous peoples "occupation". “The US and Alaska authorities, to the detriment of the people, dispose of the property to which they are not entitled,” he said. “They take our land and produce huge amounts of mineral resources, causing damage to the environment.”
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  1. +68
    8 May 2015 10: 20
    Everything is lost. If this is not nonsense, then it is time for the States to deal with their internal problems.
    1. +56
      8 May 2015 10: 24
      I would like to believe ...
      In any case, the direction is right, the extra hemorrhoids to America are for the good of Russia ...
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        1. +15
          8 May 2015 10: 57
          Here it is the hand of Moscow !!! laughing But seriously, it is unlikely that mattress will give them freedom. Well, only if the tomahawks first democratize am the benefit is not to fly far.
          1. +17
            8 May 2015 11: 40
            Quote: Vladimir 23rus
            Here it is the hand of Moscow !!! laughing But seriously, it is unlikely that mattress will give them freedom. Well, only if the tomahawks first democratize am the benefit is not to fly far.

            And then Obama will say that they bombed themselves request
            1. 0
              8 May 2015 11: 56
              Quote: Nick
              And then Obama will say that they bombed themselves

              Stolen Tomahawks! laughing
              1. +12
                8 May 2015 12: 43
                Apparently, the United States conducted a radio talk for the Chukchi. And the Aleuts speaking the same language had heard enough and understood everything in their own way.
              2. 0
                10 May 2015 17: 40
                Quote: GSH-18
                GS-18 (5) May 8, 2015 11:56 ↑
                Quote: Nick
                And then Obama will say that they bombed themselves
                Stolen Tomahawks!

                Stolen motorhawks! laughing
            2. +3
              8 May 2015 17: 23
              USA - a parasite on the body of the Earth! And it’s customary to get rid of parasites!
              1. +1
                8 May 2015 17: 45
                Quote: krot
                USA - a parasite on the body of the Earth! And it’s customary to get rid of parasites!

                Kerosene or Zincundane? What will we apply?
                1. 0
                  11 May 2015 01: 32
                  dichlorvos and only dichlorvos ... bully
          2. 0
            8 May 2015 17: 54
            then c300 to help them
        2. +4
          8 May 2015 11: 39
          Quote: fiction
          You give freedom and independence to the peoples of Alaska and Hawaii from the American imperialists !!! good Long live the friendship of the peoples of Russia, Alaska and Hawaii !! Down with the American OCCUPIERS !!!!! good

          Texas is next in turn!
          1. +22
            8 May 2015 12: 39
            Well .. It's time to send polite Chukchi to Alaska .. laughing


            http://topwar.ru/74139-gosdep-ssha-rossiya-rukami-chukchey-gotovit-agressiyu-pro
            tiv-ssha.html
            1. +6
              8 May 2015 14: 38
              Quote: Lance
              Well .. It's time to send polite Chukchi to Alaska ..


              It is time, in the presence of international observers and experts, to get to the "pseudo-gold", which once seemed to have been paid to Russia for Alaska.
              We have no complaints about those lands. But since the deal was fictitious, that is, insignificant .... The subsequent annexation is also doubtful from a legal point of view.

              Lepota, in short, not perspectives wink
            2. 0
              11 May 2015 01: 34
              it’s definitely time to send cool boys - Chukchi ... angry
        3. +1
          8 May 2015 11: 58
          Cool said, I join 100% !!!
        4. +26
          8 May 2015 12: 16
          Quote: fiction
          You give freedom and independence to the peoples of Alaska and Hawaii from the American imperialists !!! good Long live the friendship of the peoples of Russia, Alaska and Hawaii !! Down with the American OCCUPIERS !!!!! good
        5. +1
          8 May 2015 15: 29
          A little help you in fact? After all, there the indigenous population - 3 and a half people, the referendum will be dragged out.
        6. +2
          8 May 2015 17: 00
          Quote: fiction
          You give freedom and independence to the peoples of Alaska and Hawaii from the American imperialists !!!

          I will describe myself from the newly opened opportunities for the inhabitants of Alaska and Hawaii! They have already returned the land to the Indians, they still live on the reservations. Does it seem that these teach nothing?
        7. 0
          8 May 2015 20: 21
          as well as it would not hurt to unite Chukotka and Alaska into a single autonomous region ...
        8. +1
          9 May 2015 00: 58
          so look, after 10-15 years in Hawaii it will be possible to calmly without foreign travels. passports to relax ... :))
          1. 0
            11 May 2015 01: 35
            elementary Watson... laughing
      3. +19
        8 May 2015 10: 56
        This tramp can be stretched by bureaucrats for 200 years or plus infinity.
        Although the fact that the Hawaiian robots have figured out where the evil cigar-shaped god of the north flies in the case of the zugunder also speaks a lot. For example, about the hope that the mattress covers will protect them. They understood the mythical thesis for the zugunder.
      4. +9
        8 May 2015 11: 18
        About how! laughing Another aggressor has appeared on planet Earth besides Russia! Unexpectedly laughing laughing laughing
      5. +4
        8 May 2015 13: 36
        Quote: Sacmagon
        In any case, the direction is right, the extra hemorrhoids to America are for the good of Russia ...

        Alaska is our land. And Hawaii is following in the footsteps of Cuba, I think so. I hope all this will be without blood. Although, knowing the methods of mattresses, one can also expect the entry of troops and repression, and God knows something else.
      6. 0
        10 May 2015 00: 50
        Quote: Sacmagon
        In any case, the direction is right, the extra hemorrhoids to America are for the good of Russia ...

        helô neighbors. au Redi? . Yoo HEV party? HERE !!!
        (hello neighbors. And u redi? u hev party? here !!!) am
      7. 0
        10 May 2015 17: 38
        What does it have to do with
        Quote: Sacmagon
        excess hemorrhoids
        , reservations, this is the pinnacle of democracy, and also remember the "plague" blankets, FREE OF CHARGE donated to the natives, and alcohol - as currency. Schicklgruber and Paul Pot seem like street hooligans in comparison with American imperialism, which turned the extermination of people into a means of earning money.
      8. 0
        11 May 2015 05: 29
        Quote: Sacmagon
        I would like to believe ...
        In any case, the direction is right, the extra hemorrhoids to America are for the good of Russia ...

        A bad example = contagious, tomorrow the Chukchi, Nenets, Tatars, Evenks and so on will demand it - well, in short, the entire Russian northeast, south, Siberia, the Far East and the Caucasus --- what shall we do?
        1. 0
          11 May 2015 07: 31
          Quote: atalef
          Bad example = contagious, tomorrow it will require the Chukchi, Nenets, Tatars, Evenks, etc.
          It seems that you are not interested in the demands of the Arabs of Palestine at all, but the possible (from your point of view) Evenks' demands have already been included in tomorrow's agenda. Everything is fine with us: Evenki, Chukchi and hunters of the North support the desire for freedom of their brothers from Alaska and are ready to render them all kinds of help.
    2. +13
      8 May 2015 10: 24
      .... which means there is work for "polite people"! laughing
      1. +11
        8 May 2015 10: 48
        And polite tanks and planes and ships and submarines and missiles and torpedoes !!! FREEDOM OF HAWAI and ALASCO and BARCELONA and TEXAS and ....
      2. +9
        8 May 2015 11: 38
        Quote: makst83
        which means there is work for "polite people"

        I don’t know about polite people, but the US National Guard against the background of Ferguson, Baltimore, it will obviously increase. Yes Yes, and don't forget about Texas. We are waiting for the Maidan on the Green Lawn Yes
    3. +13
      8 May 2015 10: 24
      The United States must be destroyed.)))
      1. +34
        8 May 2015 10: 32
        Quote: makst83
        .... which means there is work for "polite people"! laughing

        laughing
      2. +21
        8 May 2015 10: 42
        It would be nice to throw the idea that the Indians and African Americans would unite and demand compensation from the US authorities for genocide and slavery.
        1. +3
          8 May 2015 10: 47
          This is still ahead, there is also Texas, which also does not burn with the desire to be part of the states.
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          2. +1
            10 May 2015 15: 29
            Texas is truly an autonomous state. There are three electrical systems in the USA (such as the UES in Russia), and so Texas has its own. It means a lot to Texas independence.
        2. 0
          8 May 2015 19: 27
          scientist SU Today, 10:42 ↑ New
          It would be nice to throw the idea that the Indians and African Americans would unite and demand compensation from the US authorities for genocide and slavery.


          About African Americans: I've heard this half-joke. "Do you want happiness? Become an elderly black prostitute with AIDS."
    4. +8
      8 May 2015 10: 29
      Quote: inkass_98
      Everything is lost. If this is not nonsense, then it is time for the States to deal with their internal problems.

      The United States will not allow them to hold a referendum, just as Texas has been trying to get a referendum on independence for several years now and all is in vain.
      1. +6
        8 May 2015 10: 32
        Everything is within the framework of democracy, but what is the answer?>
        1. +14
          8 May 2015 10: 39
          Everything is within the framework of democracy, but what will be the answer?


          And in response, well-known ways of carrying it ....



          1. +13
            8 May 2015 10: 43
            Quote: DEZINTO
            And in response, well-known ways of carrying it ....

            As one former US military said, SWAT police have better uniforms than he had in the army. The United States knows that the population has millions of trunks on hand and insures against mass unrest in the country, and all sorts of national guards of each state were created to keep the population in check (the national guard is the mini army of every state in the United States, which the governor can use in case of emergency: riots, cataclysms, etc. etc.).
            1. +1
              8 May 2015 13: 21
              Quote: Lt. air force reserve
              the national guards of each state created to keep the population in check

              The National Guard in the USA is the active reserve of the US Army.
              The National Guard is the so-called organized reserve of the US Armed Forces (an unorganized (individual) reserve consists of people who have sufficient military training, who have recently completed military service and do not need additional training).
              1. +3
                8 May 2015 15: 15
                Quote: PSih2097
                The National Guard in the USA is the active reserve of the US Army.

                Here are just a few centuries, no one has attacked the USA’s territory. And the National Guard is increasingly being attracted to police duties.
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            3. +5
              8 May 2015 14: 53
              As one former US military said, SWAT police have better uniforms than he had in the army.
              Yes, their entire national guard, one Rambo will fill up. laughing
              1. 0
                11 May 2015 01: 40
                and rambo is not accidentally Chukchi ???????????????? 7 bully
      2. +2
        8 May 2015 11: 33
        Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
        Quote: inkass_98
        Everything is lost. If this is not nonsense, then it is time for the States to deal with their internal problems.

        The United States will not allow them to hold a referendum, just as Texas has been trying to get a referendum on independence for several years now and all is in vain.

        Nevertheless: "water does not run under a lying stone", and "a drop wears away the stone"
        Our Crimea, Alaska would not hurt to return.
      3. 0
        8 May 2015 11: 42
        Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
        Quote: inkass_98
        Everything is lost. If this is not nonsense, then it is time for the States to deal with their internal problems.

        The United States will not allow them to hold a referendum, just as Texas has been trying to get a referendum on independence for several years now and all is in vain.

        Nevertheless: "water does not run under a lying stone", and "a drop wears away the stone"
        Our Crimea, Alaska would not hurt to return.
    5. -6
      8 May 2015 10: 37
      canoe. all refer to TASS, and not a word about it in the Western press
      1. +13
        8 May 2015 10: 45
        so they try not to advertise. so as not to escalate the situation.
      2. +15
        8 May 2015 11: 11
        Western press say. yes if the white house says that the moon is triangular then enta press will confirm
    6. Bombardier
      +11
      8 May 2015 10: 37
      In dogonku:
      The State Duma does not exclude that Russia will intensify military-technical cooperation with Cuba, and will also resume the work of the electronic intelligence center located in the suburbs of Havana - Lourdes, which was abandoned by the Russian Federation in 2002. This was announced to Izvestia after an official visit to Cuba by State Duma Speaker Sergei Naryshkin, Deputy Chairman of the Security Committee Dmitry Gorovtsov. According to the Russian parliament, this could be a cold shower for the United States, which is pursuing an aggressive foreign policy towards Russia. Military experts rate this information positively, calling Cuba a strategically important region.
    7. +26
      8 May 2015 10: 39
      Quote: inkass_98
      Everything is lost. If this is not nonsense, then it is time for the States to deal with their internal problems.

      The United States opened a "Pandora's box" in Kosovo, now it is time to hold an answer. Personally, it won't upset me if the United States falls apart into several states.
      1. -12
        8 May 2015 10: 52
        And the fact that in the place of the United States will appear several small nuclear powers with complexes of a younger brother, like Lithuania and Ukraine, do you like it?
        1. +5
          8 May 2015 11: 57
          Quote: ilyaspb
          And the fact that in the place of the United States will appear several small nuclear powers with complexes of a younger brother, like Lithuania and Ukraine, do you like it?

          No, this will not happen. And if it does, then they will have more problems on the continent, they are not up to the development of their nuclear potential.
          1. 0
            8 May 2015 13: 36
            Where will the missile silos disappear from the territories of the states, "if the US falls apart into several states."
            Ukrainians have already reached the idea of ​​a dirty bomb. New American states may also have original thoughts about the use of the existing missile warhead. Or you just do not care about the fate of their neighbors?
            1. +3
              8 May 2015 14: 55
              Quote: ilyaspb
              Where will the missile silos disappear from the territories of the states, "if the US falls apart into several states."
              Ukrainians have already reached the idea of ​​a dirty bomb. New American states may also have original thoughts about the use of the existing missile warhead. Or you just do not care about the fate of their neighbors?

              Newly formed states will be engaged in the creation of their own economy; they will not have time to divide the world. And for them it will be a nuclear mine as a means of defense against attack. So do not panic. For example, Texas does not need to fight with anyone, Alaska and Hawaii too. People want to live, work, not fight.
              1. 0
                8 May 2015 16: 12
                For rent, among the hawks, senators are not only from the District of Columbia. They will return to their states.
                What then did Europe panic when nuclear weapons remained in Ukraine?
                1. 0
                  8 May 2015 19: 57
                  Quote: ilyaspb
                  For rent, among the hawks, senators are not only from the District of Columbia. They will return to their states.
                  What then did Europe panic when nuclear weapons remained in Ukraine?

                  You are comparing the incomparable. Wild Ukraine and totalitarian USA. In the United States, even with the collapse of the state, nuclear safety will be one of the points of the treaty and blackmail of the states of the former USA. Unlike Ukraine, the newly formed states of North America do not have an ideological problem that has taken root in Ukraine. In the USA, only the problem of incompatibility with aggressive government policies. Read what the Texans write.
                  1. 0
                    8 May 2015 21: 02
                    Not Ukraine and the USA, but the USSR and the USA. It is necessary to compare the whole with the whole, and not a splinter with the whole. It turns out that this is the USSR for you wild, compared with the United States.
                    The Europeans were seriously worried about what would happen if the RSFSR crawled along at the seams, and what would happen to nuclear security.
        2. +1
          8 May 2015 15: 00
          Quote: ilyaspb
          And the fact that in the place of the United States will appear several small nuclear powers with complexes of a younger brother, like Lithuania and Ukraine, do you like it?

          Do not carry nonsense! Instead of the USSR, ONE nuclear state appeared! It will be the same instead of the USA.
          1. -1
            8 May 2015 15: 12
            And most importantly - the same state! laughing
          2. -1
            8 May 2015 16: 08
            1. Ammunition with a nuclear warhead was in Ukraine and Kazakhstan. Yes, missile control was in the hands of Moscow, but there were bombs and their delivery vehicles. And with the warhead of missiles, you can come up with a lot of interesting things.
            2. Gave it to all countries of their own free will.
            3.in another country events may develop differently.
            4. Bearing in mind your sharpness, you are clearly not sapiens.
        3. -1
          10 May 2015 16: 25
          Quote: ilyaspb
          And the fact that in the place of the United States will appear several small nuclear powers with complexes of a younger brother, like Lithuania and Ukraine, do you like it?

          ONE nuclear power remained from the USSR and will remain from the USA.
      2. tth
        +2
        8 May 2015 14: 50
        That yellowstone smells and the United States will not fall into several states, but into several islands. And in the middle of the sea of ​​Stalin))
        1. +1
          8 May 2015 21: 06
          On the eve of victory over mass killings on a national basis, are you happy about the prospect of mass death in a disaster of people united by a geographical sign? Hitler would be proud of you.
      3. 0
        8 May 2015 20: 22
        Why is Belovezhskaya Pushcha not a "Pandora's box" for you?
    8. +5
      8 May 2015 10: 43
      This is another kick from the USA. It may seem insignificant (or insignificant, as mathematicians say, this fact can be neglected). But this is a trend! If there are many such "kicks", the Colosseum on feet of clay called the USA will collapse!
      1. +8
        8 May 2015 11: 22
        The precedent itself is interesting here and not what can come of it! After this it will be really difficult to blame Russia for the Crimea, since the problems themselves are with Alaska and Hawaii. The USA has recently reminded the USSR of the collapse. And such things can become a twig, which will break the ridge of a camel.
    9. +1
      8 May 2015 13: 11
      Quote: inkass_98
      Everything is lost. If this is not nonsense, then it is time for the States to deal with their internal problems.

      They really have a lot of internal problems. And for some kind of unification of the people, the government is committed to seeking an external enemy.
    10. +1
      8 May 2015 17: 42
      Quote: inkass_98
      Everything is lost. If this is not nonsense, then it is time for the States to deal with their internal problems.

      Judging by the "documents" presented by Hawaii and Alaska, this is a problem of international law, a problem of the UN. We must "plant" documents indicating the illegality of the actions of mattress mats in past years. recourse
    11. 0
      10 May 2015 21: 31
      Both representatives of both nations, at the same time perplexed by their problems, but swallowing fiery water. now they don’t understand what it found on them? With what fright did such self-consciousness roll over?
      Not serious and anecdotal!
      Let them dance on, hoping to attract a plane with heavenly "manna". These, citizens, are beggars like Ostap, that's all.
  2. +15
    8 May 2015 10: 20
    The Kremlin’s hand is clearly visible ...! laughing
    1. +6
      8 May 2015 10: 44
      The Kremlin secretly conducts opinion polls about the desire of the indigenous population of Hawaii and Alaska for independence. When the results reach the level of Crimea, then we will send "polite people" to secure a referendum on independence.
    2. +3
      8 May 2015 11: 09
      Quote: Finches
      The Kremlin’s hand is clearly visible ...!

      The USA cares only for the states that bring a lot of money (California and Texas), more money comes from the budget there, and about non-profitable states, in the White House they only remember the elections.
    3. -3
      8 May 2015 12: 29
      And if our small nations want freedom?
      1. +3
        8 May 2015 12: 59
        Quote: stavr550
        And if our small nations want freedom?

        Most of the small nations in Russia did not have statehood; there were no agreements on their accession to Russia. When Ermak conquered the Tatar khanates, these were the states that annexed Russia. These republics, which would be identified with these khanates, do not exist in Russia. Small peoples in these khanates did not have statehood and the Tatar-Mongols did not conclude an agreement with them. Therefore, statements about the self-determination of most small nations can only be seen as an attempt at a coup and a manifestation of terrorist activity.
        1. 0
          8 May 2015 17: 16
          in Crimea, Russia and Turkey had an agreement and who now needs it
          1. 0
            9 May 2015 12: 27
            Quote: stavr550
            in Crimea, Russia and Turkey had an agreement and who now needs it

            If the contract is not canceled and does not have a limitation period, then it is valid in the form in which it is written. Here's a reverse example. The USSR did not conclude a "peace" with Japan and, in fact, modern Russia is in a state of war with Japan. The USSR declared war on Japan, and after the victory the world forgot to conclude, it seems that it is clear that Japan is defeated and is no longer at war. But the Japanese don't think so and they are right.
      2. +6
        8 May 2015 13: 04
        It is necessary that small nations do not feel infringed on anything, but live like all others. And no one in their mind wants to separate.
        1. +7
          8 May 2015 14: 34
          Quote: housewife
          It is necessary that small nations do not feel infringed on anything, but live like all others. And no one in their mind wants to separate.

          Well, I don’t know what small peoples these are in Russia infringed on?
          Nobody forbids them to live compactly, does not forbid their language, holidays, customs and religion. They were provided with benefits, in the form of non-conscription into the army (those where the number of peoples and nationalities is very small), the pre-emptive right to enter universities and state support, food and fuel are delivered to remote villages. And much more. So our small nations and nationalities live well, not like "in Christ's bosom," but no worse than the titular nation.
          1. +1
            8 May 2015 18: 47
            Well, I mean that! good
          2. +1
            9 May 2015 12: 33
            Quote: K-50
            Well, I don’t know what small peoples these are in Russia infringed on?
            Nobody forbids them to live compactly, does not forbid their language, holidays, customs and religion. They were provided with benefits, in the form of non-conscription into the army (those where the number of peoples and nationalities is very small), the pre-emptive right to enter universities and state support, food and fuel are delivered to remote villages. And much more. So our small nations and nationalities live well, not like "in Christ's bosom," but no worse than the titular nation.

            The point is not that small nations are infringed or not, but in another:
            1. In the ambitions of their leaders. Yeltsin wanted to become president of the country and ruined the USSR for this.
            2. America's orange revolutions are being held for the collapse of America's intended sacrifice. Examples in modern history - more than enough
            1. +1
              10 May 2015 16: 30
              Quote: Алексей_К
              1. In the ambitions of their leaders. Yeltsin wanted to become president of the country and ruined the USSR for this.

              Do you seriously believe that? Yeltsin wanted and ruined? wink
        2. +1
          9 May 2015 12: 28
          Quote: housewife
          It is necessary that small nations do not feel infringed on anything, but live like all others. And no one in their mind wants to separate.

          Absolutely agree with you.
      3. 0
        8 May 2015 14: 00
        Statemen or what? laughing
  3. +8
    8 May 2015 10: 20
    Yes, this organization will not fix anything ... Do not entertain yourself with hopes - you need to act by other methods, and not through an organization that has outlived itself and allowed to destroy many countries that flourished and gave voice ....
  4. +9
    8 May 2015 10: 22
    For that fought for it and ran!
  5. +8
    8 May 2015 10: 22
    We are waiting for California, Texas and other southern states to ask for this!
    Give democracy to the people of the USA!
    1. +1
      8 May 2015 13: 09
      I read about Russian settlements in America. They sold Alaska, the Russians just left the settlement, the rest were simply occupied by the Americans. Although Russia had the documents for this land in order and still have not been canceled. There were several settlements until California. Nothing. When in Ukraine everything is over, their turn may come. good
      1. 0
        8 May 2015 14: 02
        By the way, it’s also interesting with Hawaii, at that time there were tribes united in Hawaii under the leadership of the supreme leader. So these tribes asked Russia to include them in the Russian Empire. But we refused them, due to the fact that the islands are too far from Russia and we will not be able to ensure their safety. After some time, the islands joined the United States, naturally in the best democratic traditions, with the slaughter of most of the male population. Remember the greeting of the Hawaiians: allah, which also means the Amerokos family love to use it in Hawaii ...
        1. +2
          8 May 2015 15: 11
          In January 1815, the chief of the island of Kauai Kaumualii seized the Russian ship "Bering", which had run aground in the harbor of Waimea, with a cargo of furs. In order to return the property belonging to the Russian-American company, Alexander Baranov sent an expedition led by Georg Schaeffer. Historians argue why Baranov's choice fell on Schaeffer: he was a doctor, was considered a narrow-minded person and had no diplomatic experience. Perhaps the management of the company at that moment simply did not have a more suitable candidate at hand. Baranov instructed Schaeffer to strive for a peaceful resolution of the conflict, to ask Kamehamea I for compensation for the seized cargo and, if successful, on the further development of trade. At the same time, Baranov handed over a letter to the Hawaiian king, in which he politely warned that in case of refusal to resolve the problem by peaceful means, force would be used. Both Kamehamea I and Kaumualii accepted the Russian expedition peacefully. The latter had far-reaching plans for Schaeffer: with the help of the Russians, he wanted to get rid of the power of the Hawaiian king. Kaumualii agreed to compensate for the losses, promised to give Russian merchants a monopoly on the sandalwood trade, and even swore allegiance to the Russian Empire on behalf of all Hawaii. Schaeffer, with the support of local residents, built three fortresses on the island of Kauai: forts Elizabeth, Alexander and Barclay de Tolly, hoisting the flag of the Russian-American Company over them. Guided by Kaumualii, Schaeffer sent victorious reports to Baranov and to Petersburg, he asked for military support to capture all the Hawaiian Islands. Nevertheless, the plans of the doctor-adventurer were not supported by the officials of the Russian Empire. The confrontation between Kamehameah I, assisted by American merchants, and Kaumualia ended in the latter's defeat and Schaeffer's expulsion from Hawaii in June 1817. This was the end of the history of Russian expansion into Hawaii, which brought only huge losses to the Russian-American company.


          After the death of Kameamea V who didn’t leave the heirs of King Lunalilo’s short reign from 1872 to 1872, the founder of the new dynasty Kalakaua I sat on the throne of Hawaii in the eighties of the XIX century. the king was forced to sign the Constitution of the Kingdom of Hawaii, significantly restricting the rights of the monarch. Sister Kalakaua I Liliuokalani, who became queen in 1874 and sought to regain her lost power, was overthrown on January 1887, 1891 as a result of a coup organized by American citizens and supported by American Marines.

          The interim government announced the entry into the United States of America as one of its primary tasks, but Grover Cleveland, who assumed office on March 4, 1893, was unhappy with the situation in Hawaii. He turned to Congress with a proposal to investigate the circumstances of the displacement of Liliuokalani and, possibly, return her power over the islands, but did not find support among the senators.

          On July 4, 1894, the creation of the Republic of Hawaii was proclaimed, with Sanford Dole as its first (and only) President. In 1895, supporters of the restoration of royal power, led by Robert Wilcox, tried to revolt, but were quickly defeated and arrested. After William McKinley became the "owner" of the White House in 1897, the leaders of the republic again turned to the US government with a proposal for annexation. The corresponding decision was made and on July 7, 1898 Hawaii became a US territory, and Sanford Dole was appointed the first governor.
          link: http: //prousa.info/hawaii_history
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  6. +24
    8 May 2015 10: 23
    Soon ...)))))) The referendum is a new Russian weapon!
    1. +29
      8 May 2015 11: 00
      No, better so ... laughing
      1. +1
        8 May 2015 20: 28
        The scale is not the same. I saw infographics on TV recently. The Statue of Liberty is one and a half times less than the Motherland.
  7. +10
    8 May 2015 10: 23
    Rushed!))
    At the mattress eagle feathers began to fall out ...
  8. +16
    8 May 2015 10: 23
    And something about the fault of the GDP, not a word ... As if it had nothing to do with it ... But it’s already been recorded by the Santa Claus deer, the red-nosed Rudolph, that the GDP personally visited the camps of the Alaskan natives and fed them with pies and caviar for vodka .. They liked it ... laughing
  9. +5
    8 May 2015 10: 24
    Oops! Started!
    1. 0
      8 May 2015 13: 47
      Quote: Vladimir1960
      Oops! Started!

      I just could not believe my eyes !!!!!!
  10. +8
    8 May 2015 10: 24
    Of course, no one will allow them anything, the UN is for me an almost useless organization dancing to the tune of the political scientist of the Republic of Armenia, now it will take 2 years to find out whether they are really "absorbed by the United States through deception and deliberate violation of the mandate and principles of the UN ", and if anything the principles of the UN will be rewritten.
  11. +2
    8 May 2015 10: 25
    What a twist!!!
  12. +6
    8 May 2015 10: 26
    It started! good With an initiative, Eskimo brothers and Aleuts ... you’ve been going for a long time! Yes, long live the Second Civil between North and South!
  13. NKV
    +10
    8 May 2015 10: 26
    We found someone to contact, the UN has long since essentially not solved anything, but generally funny, of course) we begin the separation of states))
  14. +6
    8 May 2015 10: 28
    If this continues to be the case, then everyone will run away, and who will pay the debts - the Indians? laughing
    1. +2
      8 May 2015 13: 13
      Well, it's easy-to divide the debts between states depending on the population. The first ten separated from debts to free. laughing
  15. +19
    8 May 2015 10: 28
    China's opinion of Alaska, Ukraine, etc.)
  16. +7
    8 May 2015 10: 29
    Damn it !!!! belay Wow! What time has come, the outskirts always strive for separation when the center is weakened. All empires will ever collapse, maybe this is the beginning of the decline of the American ???
  17. +7
    8 May 2015 10: 29
    Residents of Hawaii live in poverty, next to the most luxurious 5-star hotels for the rich. No wonder they want to leave the USA. Interestingly, in Alaska, too, is everything so bad?
    1. Sly
      +3
      8 May 2015 12: 53
      Quote: 0255
      Interestingly, in Alaska, too, is everything so bad?

      Bad, the local population thumps mostly. Look at least National Geographic stories
      1. 0
        8 May 2015 19: 45
        Sly RU Today, 12:53 ↑ New
        Quote: 0255
        Interestingly, in Alaska, too, is everything so bad?
        Bad, the local population thumps mostly. Look at least National Geographic stories


        And our Sakha-Yakutia, it seems, forbade selling fire water with a decree!
  18. +7
    8 May 2015 10: 36
    Apparently, big changes await us!
    1. +1
      8 May 2015 13: 50
      Quote: Khagysh
      Apparently, big changes await us!

      They are waiting for them, big shocks, and we are a great work.
  19. -2
    8 May 2015 10: 37
    The Aleuts with the Hawaiians of Yaytsenyukh apparently read ...
  20. +5
    8 May 2015 10: 39
    Well, our intelligence and diplomats are muddied. Texas and the Indians, too, it's time to connect more actively. And it's time for blacks to demand compensation for centuries of slavery.
    1. +1
      9 May 2015 12: 45
      Quote: Michael m
      Well, our intelligence and diplomats are muddied. Texas and the Indians, too, it's time to connect more actively. And it's time for blacks to demand compensation for centuries of slavery.

      This question is so "muddy" that it will arise in a row. Whites, as compensation, can resettle them back to Africa, to their historical homeland and they will be given green money. The Fed can print as many of them as they like.
  21. +3
    8 May 2015 10: 39
    The main thing in this matter is to set a precedent. In the current state of affairs, this is enough. And the dynamics of the situation will inevitably lead to a chain reaction.
  22. +8
    8 May 2015 10: 40
    I love graphics, they are such, they do not tolerate deception)


    1. 0
      9 May 2015 12: 48
      Quote: MolGro
      I love graphics, they are such, they do not tolerate deception)

      They do not tolerate cheating only when YOU can check all the source data. And so that the graphics, that just chatter in the press - all one thing - the order of those in power.
    2. 0
      10 May 2015 14: 47
      the last chart just got it
  23. +1
    8 May 2015 10: 41
    Freedom to Yuri Detochkin!
  24. +4
    8 May 2015 10: 41
    Finally!!!
    The show begins !!!
  25. +5
    8 May 2015 10: 43
    Take Alaska back !!!
    1. +6
      8 May 2015 10: 49
      It will be correct to "return" smile
      1. KOH
        +3
        8 May 2015 11: 24
        More correct The reunification of Alaska with Russia ... laughing
  26. +7
    8 May 2015 10: 46
    Hail to the People's Republic of Alaska and the Democratic Hawaiian Islands !!!
  27. +4
    8 May 2015 10: 50
    Oh, it started ... True, it seems to me that it will urgently be discovered that the rights of pid-owls are violated in Alaska and Hawaii and troops will be transferred there in defense of their rights. Well, or they will sharply discover that someone in the past underpaid taxes. But progress has begun, which means less America will harm us through Ukraine.
  28. KOH
    +3
    8 May 2015 10: 50
    Give the People’s Republic of Alaska, and the Hawaiian People’s Republic !!! ... good
    1. +1
      8 May 2015 13: 00
      Republic of Azerbaijan
  29. +2
    8 May 2015 10: 51
    On Vzglyad.ru in a similar article it was written that the representative of Alaska Ronald Barnes said in Russian "I am Orthodox" and something like that, that he is a descendant of Russians. It was in vain that he said so ... Now the Americans will see Moscow's hand in this ... laughing
    1. 0
      8 May 2015 13: 17
      Yes, they already see it everywhere. But we have every right to say that our population is suffering from them. smile
    2. +2
      8 May 2015 14: 44
      Quote: UzRus
      Now the Americans will see Moscow’s hand in this ...

      Yes, at least let them see laughing
      Whatever they see, it’s all the same for them to blame Russia for everything, so it’s flat and perpendicular to us that they see fellow
  30. 3vs
    +9
    8 May 2015 10: 53
    Finally, the hottest news officially presented on the site! fellow
    Well, gentlemen, it has begun !?

    We urgently need to order an article by Anatoly Wasserman - "How to equip Hawaii".
    And, as I understand, the next bridge for Arkady Rottenberg, after the Crimea, will be
    bridge across the Berengov Strait.
  31. +1
    8 May 2015 10: 54
    they take our land and in large quantities extract mineral resources
    They themselves want to pump their oil and gold, too ,,, otherwise everything is in the center, a subsidized region ,,
  32. +1
    8 May 2015 10: 54
    they take our land and in large quantities extract mineral resources
    They themselves want to pump their oil and gold, too ,,, otherwise everything is in the center, a subsidized region ,,
  33. +3
    8 May 2015 10: 54
    Well, "the ice has broken." They waited ... It is unlikely, of course, that they will succeed, but we got what they have been doing all over the world for a long time.
    1. 0
      8 May 2015 12: 59
      The return of Alaska is only a matter of time, no matter how ridiculous it seems now - the seed of thought sown in the minds will gradually give its seedlings)
  34. +3
    8 May 2015 10: 54
    "The authorities of the United States and Alaska, to the detriment of the people, are disposing of property to which they have no right," he said. "They are taking our land and mining mineral resources in huge quantities, damaging the environment."

    It is time for the indigenous people - the Indians - to cast their vote ... Although the UN does not solve anything, it’s possible to set a precedent ...
  35. +4
    8 May 2015 10: 55
    Even if we assume that some referenda will be held, the result will be like with Scotland! They will give some place in parliament and everything will be forgotten.
    1. +2
      8 May 2015 14: 48
      Quote: Casper
      the result will be like with Scotland!

      I agree. In the West, the main thing is not how anyone votes, but who and how counts these votes !!
    2. +1
      8 May 2015 18: 58
      Who said that it was over in Scotland? They’ve been dreaming of secession for a long time. This referendum is just another episode. Britain had enough restraint to try. They would try to press! Send rallies. Meetings would have to be suppressed. In the UK! Here it wouldn’t only Scotland would fall off, but their entire European Union would fall apart. Brussels and the Baltic states would remain in it. wassat
      1. +1
        8 May 2015 19: 50
        Brussels and the Baltic states. wassat


        And this is power! belay
      2. 0
        10 May 2015 13: 30
        Duc Churov has already uttered what we already knew: the results of the referendum in Scotland were falsified.
  36. +3
    8 May 2015 10: 57
    Quote: 3vs
    Well, gentlemen, it has begun !?

    In anticipation of the GREAT VICTORY, the massive psycho-toxicosis of all Western rulers and their hangers-on - great news!
    Fine!!! So BEGAN! From now on there will be HOT, even BAKE!
  37. +1
    8 May 2015 11: 01
    And do not share links to the source ???

    When, who and where made such statements?

    Why are links only to Russian sites?
  38. +1
    8 May 2015 11: 05
    Come on come on now alaska come back
  39. +4
    8 May 2015 11: 09
    This is the right one of the directions of foreign policy, it is necessary to swing the tang across the nat. issue (if not us then us).
    And the maxima with his mattress will have "happiness" crying
  40. +5
    8 May 2015 11: 10
    This is the first concrete call to the state collapse. Already there they understand what kind of business executives they are. The whole world is already sickened by this handful of senility. Bastards. and only!
  41. +14
    8 May 2015 11: 17
    Quote: inkass_98
    Everything is lost. If this is not nonsense, then it is time for the States to deal with their internal problems.

    And what will the State Department and Ms. Psaki say about this. What will they call ??? Come on, proud Amerian birds (crow, it seems), tell us about your interests and the protection of American citizens. Crimea - annexation, and what is it called ???. If it’s not a duck - it looks like feathers are beginning to pinch ...
  42. +2
    8 May 2015 11: 30
    This is a turn of events ... wassat
  43. +1
    8 May 2015 11: 31
    Quote: rpek32
    canoe. all refer to TASS, and not a word about it in the Western press

    Yeah, you puzzled us - the media are silent !?
    Correctly, knowing English, it is possible, too, just to be silent!
  44. +3
    8 May 2015 11: 34
    Hawaiian People’s and Alaskan People’s Republics to be. Freedom to Hawaiians and Aleuts.
  45. +1
    8 May 2015 11: 35
    Support must be given to these peoples to achieve independence.
  46. +3
    8 May 2015 11: 35
    All these timid voices can be considered evidence of the exacerbation of the problems of indigenous peoples in the United States. And this is not surprising. Everyone knows, but for some reason they don’t want to remember how this gangster state grew on the bones of the native inhabitants of North America. Of course, at this stage, without massive international support, this is the voice of one crying in the desert. But such support will never be in the UN. In recent decades, this organization has worked in the interests of the United States.
    Along with all this, Russian diplomacy should regularly direct the attention of the international community to these problems. For one thing, it will be "alaverdi" for fanning anti-Russian sentiments by the Americans.
  47. +2
    8 May 2015 11: 35
    Finally. Finished about self-determination.
  48. +5
    8 May 2015 12: 00
    Something is wrong here. Not so long ago in the state of Texas more than 100 thousand signatures "for secession" were collected. According to the law, this was enough to initiate the necessary procedures.
    But somehow everything suddenly calmed down.
    In this case - in general, only talk.
  49. -1
    8 May 2015 12: 21
    So there was a reason for the government to nervously smoke on the sidelines.
  50. 0
    8 May 2015 12: 24
    Not so long ago, an article was on the forum about China's desire to arm the indigenous population of Hawaii
    1. +2
      9 May 2015 12: 58
      Quote: Gray 43
      Not so long ago, an article was on the forum about China's desire to arm the indigenous population of Hawaii

      And what from this? There Argentina was also quite armed, but the Maldives still belongs to England. We need an army, we need state-of-the-art weapons, cruisers, submarines, super-air defense, air defense, ballistic missiles with nuclear charges, and of course we need military industry. And what is Hawaii - so, islands inhabited by fishermen and peasants and tourists. And their fate awaits the Maldives.
  51. 0
    8 May 2015 12: 24
    we need to help the kids
  52. 0
    8 May 2015 12: 26
    "On the issue of creating illusions among the electorate through the media" :-)
  53. +2
    8 May 2015 12: 35
    Quote: VadimLives
    For that fought for it and ran!

    And now the question is, why did you need to get involved with the Russians at all, so that you could then bathe in this mud, make excuses, prove your LIES to the whole of Europe, so that you could then justify this lie before the whole of Europe?
    Why present yourself as too exceptional - who will believe it?
    If you are not a monkey, then like me, you have two arms, two legs and one head - yes, you are right, your grave will be exclusively individual!
  54. +1
    8 May 2015 12: 35
    Well, did the AMERICANS eat it????!!!!
    Here's your "Donbas"!
    Now let's see...
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  56. 0
    8 May 2015 12: 47
    Alaska and Hawaii understand that Washington will soon be bombed, so they are trying in advance to distance themselves from such an incompetent and aggressive government, besides, Alaska is genetically drawn to Russia.
  57. 0
    8 May 2015 12: 54
    Rastorgueva Governor of Alaska! good
    1. Sly
      0
      8 May 2015 12: 58
      Quote: housewife
      Rastorgueva Governor of Alaska! good

      Mwa-ha-ha, killed)))
  58. +2
    8 May 2015 14: 17
    Since Alaska and Havai are included in the FSHA illegally, it means that the black -haired president of the mattress is not legal. belay !
    Down with the usurper!!! Freedom and independence for Alaska and Hawaii! laughing
    In general, before something happens in Matrasia (economic, natural or political crisis), run away as long as you can, you will be safer and more stable! fellow
  59. 0
    8 May 2015 14: 27
    [quote=Alexey_K][quote=stavr550]And if our small nations want freedom?[/quote]
    Most of the small peoples in Russia did not have statehood; there were no agreements on their accession to Russia. When Ermak conquered the Tatar khanates, these were the states that were annexed to Russia. These republics, which would be identified with these khanates, do not exist in Russia. Small nations in these khanates did not have statehood and the Tatar-Mongols did not enter into agreements with them. Therefore, statements about self-determination of the majority of small nations can only be considered as an attempt at a coup d'etat and a manifestation of terrorist activity.[/
    What are you doing? Have you studied history, “dear”? But there were no treaties, because they did not voluntarily become part of Russia, but were conquered. Example: Chechnya, Dagestan, Tatarstan, Bashkiria, I can continue.
    1. +1
      8 May 2015 19: 57
      RuslanNN (1)
      Were Chechnya, Dagestan, and Bashkiria a state? And who was the king (khan, sultan, president)?

      With all due respect to the Vainakhs, Bashkirs and the peoples of Dagestan, there were clan-tribal (teip, in the case of the Vainakhs) structures. And this is not a state.

      About Tatarstan - the Kazan Khanate - a separate conversation.
  60. 0
    8 May 2015 15: 33
    Grant the reunification of the peoples of Alaska with the peoples of Hawaii!
  61. +2
    8 May 2015 16: 00
    Yeah... And recently on VO there was an article about the fighting Chukchi.... I sit and think: what is this for? Probably... Probably for the rain.
  62. 0
    8 May 2015 16: 14
    It emphasizes that “Russia’s sale of Alaska to the United States in 1867 did not at all mean the transfer of sovereignty over Alaska to the United States.”

    Stop, stop, stop. Let the United States return all the money for Alaska first, and then demand sovereignty. laughing
    Well done. During.
  63. 0
    8 May 2015 16: 25
    Quote: ilyaspb
    And the fact that in the place of the United States will appear several small nuclear powers with complexes of a younger brother, like Lithuania and Ukraine, do you like it?


    Nuclear weapons will remain with the smartest. And all together they will finally learn the hard way what Maidans and civil wars are. How I'm looking forward to this!
  64. 0
    8 May 2015 16: 50
    Relocate the Chukchi during the referendum and Alyasnash.
  65. +2
    8 May 2015 17: 42
    They will ask We will come soldier and Let's drink together drinks for victory !!!
  66. 0
    8 May 2015 20: 40
    If they self-determine, although they will not be allowed, then Texas will be next.
  67. +1
    8 May 2015 22: 06
    I warmly support the Alaskans' desire for self-determination. At the same time, I would like to recall the terms of the agreement between the United States and Russia. It's time to return Alaska to its true owner. And then Texas and California will catch up.
  68. +1
    8 May 2015 22: 23
    For Novorossiya and for other peoples and countries...! Chukotka helicopter pilots.. bully
  69. 0
    10 May 2015 13: 11
    Introduce Democracy into the den of democracy!
    Whoever comes to us with democracy will die from democracy!
  70. 0
    10 May 2015 13: 26
    for the freedom of independent Texas!!!!
  71. 0
    10 May 2015 14: 00
    Gee!!! Putin is to blame again laughing
  72. Denis Skiff M2.0
    0
    10 May 2015 14: 17
    yeah that's nonsense! Yes, it can’t be!
    What a dream! What's true?
  73. 0
    10 May 2015 17: 00
    Simple mouse fuss. They won't be given anything. They just want to get more money from the US
  74. 0
    10 May 2015 17: 06
    Legally, SAS are NOT the “owner” of Hawaii, only “de facto”, or rather, definitely de facto. what is the topic about then?
  75. 0
    10 May 2015 19: 57
    “Give me back the land of Alaska! Give it back, my dear!” fellow laughing good
  76. 0
    11 May 2015 07: 19
    Good news, it seems the Americans have become democratized...
  77. 0
    11 May 2015 10: 16
    Eh, it’s a pity that the last Hawaiian queen left no offspring...
  78. 0
    11 May 2015 18: 40
    But at one time, Hawaii asked Russia for citizenship, the tsar refused, there was enough of the Far East... IN vain!
  79. 0
    12 May 2015 00: 25
    It’s as if “Yuzhnoe Butovo” would report on the occupation by Moscow in the distant XXXX years, and demand independence... So there is an article, but there is nothing more here.