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Pentagon: the United States will abandon the Russian RD-180, but not immediately

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The Pentagon has no plans to order more Russian engines RD-180, used to launch satellites, however, intends to buy those that were ordered before 1 February last year, reports MIC with reference to the statement by Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter.

Pentagon: the United States will abandon the Russian RD-180, but not immediately


At the Senate hearing, Carter recalled that the Pentagon "introduced an amendment to national legislation prohibiting the United States Air Force to use the RD-180 since 2019 of the year" for consideration by Congress. This amendment aims to ensure that lawmakers allow the US military to buy back the engines that have not yet been paid for, but have already been ordered by 1 February 2014.

“We want to get rid of dependence on Russia in terms of launching military and reconnaissance satellites. However, it takes time. Therefore, our approach is not to order more (RD-180), but also not to cancel orders already made for (these) engines ", - the minister explained. According to him, "this is our strategy."

According to Carter, the United States "cannot afford to create a gap between the moment of refusal from further use of the RD-180 and the start of operation of its own power plant," which will replace the Russian engine.
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  1. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 7 May 2015 13: 35
    +22
    A true gentleman is the master of his word: when he wants, he gives, when he wants, he takes it back. (C)
    1. podpolkovnik
      podpolkovnik 7 May 2015 13: 36
      +21
      Quote: Alexey RA
      A true gentleman is the master of his word: when he wants, he gives, when he wants, he takes it back. (C)

      Took off the tongue ...
      1. quote
        quote 7 May 2015 13: 43
        +6
        Therefore, our approach is not to order more
        Your approach, you in the anus! Sorry, counter sanctions!
        1. SALLAK
          SALLAK 7 May 2015 14: 25
          +6
          What for?? Just modify them a little ... Let them pour the loot into their missiles that "accidentally" will explode or deviate from the given parameters ...
          1. SALLAK
            SALLAK 7 May 2015 15: 01
            +2
            Well, American spies and slabs are minus ... I didn’t think there were such ub ... ki ... It’s a pity the American wrappers became ???
            1. zennon
              zennon 7 May 2015 15: 17
              +7
              Quote: SALLAK
              Well, American spies and slime minusers are minus ...

              I have never been accused of love for mattresses, nor of that bluff of observance, and I will not continue to. However, I am very sorry if we lose this market. This money VERY We need it. I know what I'm talking about. And by the way, tell me, not far away, what high-tech products we export besides these engines? Will you scrape together a lot? And when our country is contemptuously called a big gas station over the hill? Do you like it? With all the dislike for mattress toppers, I have to admit -their economy is exceptionally powerful and diversified. You must first become a powerful power, and then it is easy to refuse such contracts. In the meantime, the share of the Russian economy in the world economy is 3,4%, and in the world GDP% 2. You think they have nothing to replace our carriers? You are mistaken. "Delta" is very reliable and very effective. But much more expensive. Is it possible!
              http://pentagonus.ru/publ/18-1-0-613
              And then there is "Arian".
              Now you can dump a couple of dumpers of hats and do your favorite thing.
              1. Sura
                Sura 7 May 2015 15: 54
                +4
                .I know what I'm talking about. And by the way, tell me not far off what high-tech products we export besides these engines? Will you scratch a lot? And when our country is contemptuously called a large gas station over the hill?

                Yes, our technology is simple, it’s just that we LIVE people into space, I wonder what could be even higher? The second in the world to sell weapons, is it really such a bad world and buys low-tech weapons from us?
                And the West at all times tries to humiliate us, and that everything ... in a coffin? Some West said badly about us. With such crap technology, and they won the Second World War from the whole West.
                1. zennon
                  zennon 7 May 2015 16: 26
                  0
                  Quote: Sura
                  Second in the world to sell weapons,

                  Exactly! What comes to people in the world when the word "Russia"? Vodka and a Kalashnikov assault rifle ... And this is a huge country with a talented people and great resources ?! Look at China! 30 years ago, a billion tyapov and nothing more, and now the second economy mira.Poka the second !!! And we are exactly 30 years from the "perestroika" humpbacked brains ... or!
                  Quote: Sura
                  but they won World War II from the whole West.

                  Not at all. We were helped by countries of anti-Hitler coalition. Do you know that only aviation mattresses delivered almost 600 tons to us in the war?! And the rest?
                  1. Sura
                    Sura 7 May 2015 16: 53
                    +6
                    Do not distort, the West eats vodka even more, and there’s nothing for self-flagellation for the whole country.
                    And at the expense of supplies watch the movie "The Unknown War". Until 1944, the Americans supplied fuel for the Wehrmacht. The West put a lot of things to Hitler, just to break the USSR. The West is having so much fun, every 100 years it attacks Russia, shoots it in full, and then boasts how it beat Russia.
                    1. zennon
                      zennon 7 May 2015 17: 05
                      -3
                      Quote: Sura
                      Do not distort, the West eats vodka even more, and there’s nothing for self-flagellation for the whole country.

                      I didn’t think about it. Surveys were conducted in different countries, who was associated with what. And here is the result.
                      Quote: Sura
                      And at the expense of supplies watch the movie "The Unknown War". Until 1944, the Americans supplied fuel for the Wehrmacht.

                      Not until 1944, but until 1941. And until the summer of 1941, we supplied Germany with grain, ore concentrate and did a lot of strategic things and did it right! We got a wonderful machine park, strategically important equipment and a lot of things, including weapons. called trade.
                      1. Sura
                        Sura 7 May 2015 17: 36
                        +4
                        Come on, with the polls ... Your polls, who orders and pays for such a poll result and get. Found something to surprise.
                        Until the 44th, they supplied fuel, until the 44th, and IBM delivered their products to the end of the war, and not only IBM, there were more than one company.
                        Do not surprise me with the fact that trade exists on our planet. Until 41g we were not at war with Germany, why not trade?
                      2. zennon
                        zennon 7 May 2015 18: 21
                        -4
                        Quote: Sura
                        Come on, with the polls ... Your polls, who orders and pays for such a poll result and get. Found something to surprise.

                        Why "order"? Why do you see the negative in everything? And not my polls. Neutral polls of newspapers from different countries about different countries!
                        Quote: Sura
                        Until the 44th, they supplied fuel, until the 44th, and IBM delivered their products to the end of the war, and not only IBM, there were more than one company.

                        Facts in the studio. Specifically! Until then, empty talk.
                        Quote: Sura
                        Until 41g we were not at war with Germany, why not trade?

                        Until December 5, the 41st mattress was not at war with Germany. What can they not fight with them?
                      3. Sura
                        Sura 7 May 2015 19: 01
                        +3
                        Yes, it’s not a negative. You started with a negative, to humiliate Russia, and according to your comments you can see, work on order.
                        For the facts that google in the studio, I don’t keep a set of links, declassified documents just got there, you write as well- (Neutral polls of newspapers from different countries about different countries!)
                        Again they shook, I'm up to 41g. I didn’t write anything, the order is clearly visible.
                      4. zennon
                        zennon 7 May 2015 19: 14
                        -3
                        Quote: Sura
                        work to order.

                        What order?! What are you talking about?
                        Quote: Sura
                        On the facts that google in the studio, I don’t hold a set of links, just declassified documents

                        I bring to your attention that the US Congress has legally forbidden mattress firms or companies with the participation of mattress capital to trade with the Axis countries, that is, Germany, Italy, Japan, as well as their allies, Hungarians, Finns, Bulgarians. Do you have any idea what it means in the states to violate the law of Congress? Another option is possible: Mattress firms traded with neutrals. Sweden, Switzerland. Re-export is not ruled out. But I have no such information. It is known that the USSR, like Germany, traded with neutrals.
                        Again they shook, I'm up to 41g. I didn’t write anything, the order is clearly visible.

                        Here is from your post:
                        Do not surprise me with the fact that trade exists on our planet. Until 41g we were not at war with Germany, why not trade?
                      5. Sura
                        Sura 7 May 2015 19: 42
                        +1
                        Yes, on order, on order, such comments can only be given by a person who hates Russia, yet it can be seen with the naked eye. Further dialogue does not make sense. You are trying with all your might to distort my answers.
                        And nothing to me about the law of congress, when for the Fed. the reserve is the Morgan, Rockefellers, Dupons, etc. thirty families, the law is not written for them, money is in their hands, which the legislators will say and do. America is ruled by money and whoever has more of it is right.
                      6. zennon
                        zennon 7 May 2015 19: 50
                        -1
                        Quote: Sura
                        Yes to order, to order such comments can only be given by a person who hates Russia,

                        This is all nonsense! I've been known for a long time. I haven’t been noticed in love for mattresses. I specifically answered your questions, but here you are. You just have nothing to cover.
                        Quote: Sura
                        And nothing to me about the law of congress, when for the Fed. the reserve is the Morgan, Rockefellers, Dupons, etc. thirty families, the law is not written for them, money is in their hands, which the legislators will say and do.

                        Insanity! I'm tired of this. Add you to the black list.
                      7. Sura
                        Sura 7 May 2015 20: 37
                        0
                        Ha, my opponent ran away, even the general epaulettes were gone. fellow
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                      9. Aleksander
                        Aleksander 7 May 2015 22: 36
                        +4
                        Quote: Sura
                        Ha, my opponent ran away, even the general epaulettes were gone. fellow


                        If a person does not know about the thousands of trucks sold by the Americans to the Nazis through the Vichy government, about the Spanish tanker fleet carrying huge amounts of fuel for ... "Spain", about the unique American bearings installed in Nazi aircraft engines, etc. and so on - then talking is, in fact, meaningless.
                      10. Sorokin
                        Sorokin 8 May 2015 05: 00
                        +1
                        Exactly. You correctly remembered. Grandfather told how Americans rivals selectively bombed. We did not touch the daimler vet.
              2. Tusv
                Tusv 7 May 2015 16: 24
                +4
                You are wrong. Delta is very reliable and very efficient.

                Only starts once every three years
                And then there is "Arian".

                Ariana is French. Also, alas, does not fly. At the moment, the French prefer the Union
                And by the way, tell me not far off, what high-tech products do we export besides these engines?

                the Americans sanctioned the RD-180 for the Atlases, but immediately bought the RD-181 for the Antares. We already said about weapons.
                Nuclear power plants are not considered? High tech nowhere
                1. zennon
                  zennon 7 May 2015 16: 40
                  -2
                  Quote: Tusv
                  Ariana is French.

                  Not French but European. Produced by the European Space Agency (ESA), the main contractor is European Astrium Space Transportation (EADS). That is, it is in the cage of mattress friends. What problems to agree on launches.
                  Quote: Tusv
                  Only starts once every three years

                  Expensive. I wrote about this. This is the only reason they take the taxiway.
                  Quote: Tusv
                  We already said about weapons.

                  He said and will repeat. Trading in weapons is not shameful and important. But what can we offer for the CREATIVE to the world?
                  Well done NPPs. Yes, but that’s all ... And now again, look at my post above and read about our percentages in trade and GDP ...
              3. liberty
                liberty 7 May 2015 16: 32
                0
                Under the new engine, reaching a speed of 9.4% of the light, still a new carrier will be built.
              4. unsinkable
                unsinkable 7 May 2015 17: 04
                -1
                I join. I am not a supporter of URIA-PATRIOTISM and cap-hatred.
              5. Aleksander
                Aleksander 7 May 2015 22: 03
                +1
                Quote: zennon
                However, I am very sorry if we lose this market. We need this money VERY


                American Minister: “We want to get rid of dependence on Russia in terms of launches military and reconnaissance satellites. That's what these engines are used for. Whom are they scouting today and with whom are they preparing to fight, guess? And is it normal for the enemy to sell weapons against himself, and which he does not have? Maybe even a lethal weapon adapted to the specifics of Russia (there is knowledge!) To sell them for money? And that money is VERY necessary ...
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              7. opus
                opus 7 May 2015 22: 39
                +1
                Quote: zennon
                . And by the way, tell me not far off, what high-tech products do we export besides these engines?

                Last year, Russia's exports amounted to 526 billion dollars, of which energy - 371 billion. But almost 155 is export of other goods.
                Probe Microscopes
                -Titanium stamping for the Boeing-777 chassis, some parts for the A-380 from titanium
                -Russian satellites are bought all over the world.
                -All manned launches in the world (except for a couple of Chinese) - only on Russian equipment.
                - "We supply liquid-propellant rocket engines for Soyuz-2, which is launched from the Guiana Space Center. Samr rocket engines are bought by ESA for their launches. Turbine engines
                -TEL for nuclear power plants (tablet of uranium dioxide) + other equipment for nuclear power plants at 70 billion d.c. in 2014
                -Russian heavy trucks are sold in 40 countries - including Europe.
                -Company, electronics, drugs, etc.



                -About the silence

                Quote: zennon
                You are wrong. "Delta" is very reliable and very effective. But much more expensive

                2 times more expensive
                All launches, with the exception of one, were paid by the US government with prices ranging from USD 140 million to USD 170 million..
                -RN "Delta" is not certified for manned flights. And will not
              8. Sorokin
                Sorokin 8 May 2015 04: 49
                0
                Yes, you are right in points. But Proton will not become poorer from these orders. We changed our orientation long ago. As a summer resident 8 km from the plant, who lives and once worked there.
        2. gorge1945
          gorge1945 7 May 2015 15: 20
          +3
          It is high time to introduce sanctions for the supply of strategic products and rare metals to the United States to the United States, these are rocket engines, metal of special strength, titanium, for the US aviation industry. full-time nation.
      2. Sorokin
        Sorokin 7 May 2015 15: 23
        0
        married exactly
        1. podpolkovnik
          podpolkovnik 7 May 2015 15: 31
          0
          Quote: Sorokin
          married exactly

          At what, I dare say, not a fact - that on individuals of the opposite sex ... lol
          1. Sorokin
            Sorokin 8 May 2015 05: 10
            +1
            Yes normal such a Tatar individual. And I love her though harmful
      3. INVESTOR
        INVESTOR 7 May 2015 17: 42
        +1
        But I just want to tell them "but we will not sell you engines until there is a way out of the crisis in Ukraine." bully
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 7 May 2015 14: 00
      +9
      According to Carter, the United States "cannot afford to create a gap between the moment of refusal from further use of the RD-180 and the start of operation of its own power plant," which will replace the Russian engine.

      Carter is too self-confident (which is not surprising after Obama's remarks on American exclusivity).
      How did they get the idea that they could manufacture, test and launch a reliable analogue of the RD-180 in two years ??? Or are they going to copy paste, like our AK and RPG-7?
      Nude, nude, go ahead guys. Challenger did not teach you anything unfortunately!
      1. STOP VOINE 2014
        STOP VOINE 2014 7 May 2015 14: 08
        +3
        But we should have had it for a long time and "right away" ....!
        Now, being in a hopeless situation, they are shouting about false "cooperation" with Russia in the field of space, even in an era of crisis, while it is profitable for them to pull it to the last, but of course they tell their citizens that their engine will appear and that soon they will have a contract!
        1. Chertkov Oleg
          Chertkov Oleg 7 May 2015 14: 26
          +2
          We want to get rid of dependence on Russia in terms of launches of military and reconnaissance satellites.

          This is embarrassing, they launched mattress spies on our engines.
          1. GSH-18
            GSH-18 7 May 2015 14: 33
            +3
            Quote: Oleg Chertkov
            This is embarrassing, they launched mattress spies on our engines.

            What bothers you? They would launch these satellites anyway without our engines. And so our space industry at least had a decent amount of money for further development.
            1. opus
              opus 8 May 2015 00: 37
              +1
              Quote: GSH-18
              And so our space industry even raped a decent amount of money for further development.

              Contract No. 643/07557935/00000 for the supply of RD-180 rocket engines of 28.03.1997/XNUMX/XNUMX
              18 LRE x $ 15 million) = $ 270 /A drop in the sea.
              they also took a $ 65 million loan (KSOOKL No. 164/13-B of 09.08.2013/XNUMX/XNUMX

              Investments in fixed assets for the reporting period 2013 in NGOs amounted to 835,464 million rubles

              Transaction between OJSC NPO Energomash (Customer) and OJSC RKK Energia (Contractor) under Agreement No. 17 / 043-2013 for rendering of services on author support and solving technical issues during operation of the automation drive system 11K25.2D2000-0 and 353GK drive for a period from 01.01.2013/30.12.2013/XNUMX to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX at the price of 4 061 220,0 rubles.

              For 2013, the world has completed 79 space launch, of which 73 launch vehicles with rocket engines. At 38 starts out of 73, rocket engines developed by NPO Energomash were used, which accounts for 52,1% of LV launches with LRE or 48,1% of all launches.
              In 2013, Russia implemented 31 launch of Russian LV (including launches of the Dnepr, Rokot and Strela conversion launch vehicles), of which 26 launches (83,9%) were performed using the rocket engine developed by NPO Energomash.

              TOTAL in 2013 NPO Energomash produced 156 rocket engines



              / RD -181: 60 engines for $ 1 billion, this amount includes not only the cost of the engine, but also a whole range of services: flight training, installing the engine on a rocket, conducting tests. /
              Until now, Antares missiles were equipped with AJ-26 engines, made on the basis of the Soviet NK-33, the first batch of NK-33 came to America in the mid-1990s, they went to Aerojet for $ 1 million apiece.


              In accordance with the law, the budget of the Federal Space Agency in 2014 will amount to 165.814 billion rubles, which corresponds to 98.9% of the amount originally approved for 2013, and slightly more than the adjusted 2013 budget, which amounted to 165.223 billion.

              At the rate of 33.4 rubles / $ used in the layout of the budget, the annual program of Roscosmos corresponds to $ 4,9645 billion, which is 28.1% of the NASA budget approved for January 2014 fiscal year ($ 17,6465 billion).

              Congress restrictions on its use in the Atlas V rocket relate to only military loads. ULA will continue to purchase RD-180 for non-military programs such as: mthe mission to Pluto “New Horizons” (2006), the mission to the Moon “Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter” (2009), the apparatus for the study of the Sun “Observatory of Solar Dynamics” (2010), the mission to Jupiter “Juno” (2011), the mission to Mars “ Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter ”(2005),“ Martian Science Laboratory ”(2011) and“ MAVEN ”(2013).
          2. zennon
            zennon 7 May 2015 15: 28
            -3
            Quote: Oleg Chertkov
            This is embarrassing, they launched mattress spies on our engines.

            And the work of our defense industry on mattress machines and equipment does not bother you? Their elemental base in our computers?
            1. Sura
              Sura 7 May 2015 17: 58
              +1
              Machine tools not only amerovskie from different countries, distort.
              The components in the military computers are domestic, and the rest is China, there is a whole set of rare-earth metals there (there is a minimal duty to transport finished products across the border), cheap labor, the walls of the workshops of plants are thin (cheap), there is no need to spend money on heating (there are no frosts) and that's all this is included in the final price of the product, and competitiveness primarily includes price.
              1. zennon
                zennon 7 May 2015 18: 29
                -1
                Quote: Sura
                Machine tools not only amerovskie from different countries, distort.

                And where in my posts did you find the word "only". I do not distort anything, there is nothing to treat me.
                Quote: Sura
                The element base in military computers is domestic,

                In satellites, the elemental base of the space category? I’m an electronic engineer. I worked for a long time where I can’t speak. Mostly my own. Work on the development of our own electronic database is underway, but it is still far from complete replacement.
                1. Sura
                  Sura 7 May 2015 18: 50
                  +1
                  And the work of our defense industry on mattress machines and equipment does not bother you? Their elemental base in our computers?-What’s what, you need to be treated exactly.
                  Alas, I am also an electrical engineer and I am engaged in automation and electronics, education was received, back in the USSR, only in Udmurtia we have more than one factory working in the field of electronics and I don’t have to talk too much about replacement. Votkinsk is also Udmurtia (Poplar, Yars).
                  1. zennon
                    zennon 7 May 2015 19: 04
                    -1
                    Quote: Sura
                    Alas, I’m also an electrical engineer, and I’m doing automation and electronics myself, I’ve got my education, back in the Soviet Union,

                    Like a colleague. I'm 53 years old, judge for yourself.
                    Quote: Sura
                    and I don’t need to talk about replacement and far.

                    Well, I don’t know how in "Topoli" - I don’t speak about them.
                  2. Sura
                    Sura 7 May 2015 20: 42
                    +1
                    Opponent fled ... fellow
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 7 May 2015 18: 03
        0
        Quote: GSH-18
        How did they get the idea that they could manufacture, test and launch a reliable analogue of RD-180 in two years ???

        according to experts, it will take 7 to 10 years to create, test and manufacture a reliable engine from scratch.
        Quote: GSH-18
        Nude, nude, go ahead guys. Challenger did not teach you anything unfortunately!

        I think these statements by Comrade Carter are just an attempt to drive the dough out of Congress and nothing more.
    3. GRAMARI111
      GRAMARI111 7 May 2015 15: 24
      +7


      The video posted on the Internet is accompanied by the following text: “9 May is the day when the world was born again, and, by tradition, we invite world leaders to celebrate this holiday with us with a military parade every year. This year, Barack Obama has banned many "world leaders" to go to Moscow for the Parade and refused to go himself. Well. We live in the age of high technology and therefore we can say: “If Barak does not go to the Parade, the Parade will come to Barak himself!” The students of the National School of Cinema staged a video performance in Washington, reports Russia Today. They projected onto the walls of the White House the Russian flag and archival footage of military equipment, which they called “polite tanks.” The performance was accompanied by the sounds of the march “Farewell of the Slav”.
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    5. siberalt
      siberalt 7 May 2015 15: 27
      +1
      Duc, we ordered Mistrals even earlier with a prepayment, so what? laughing But we did not start a sanction tramp.
    6. Aibolit64
      Aibolit64 7 May 2015 15: 43
      0
      And the owners of the engines, that is, we need to modify the engines with the help of a sledgehammer and some kind of mother. laughing
  2. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 7 May 2015 13: 37
    +16
    Pentagon: the United States will abandon the Russian RD-180, but not immediately

    Of course
    1. total commander
      total commander 7 May 2015 13: 45
      +3
      Apparently, the Americans managed to buy a large batch of trampolines somewhere.
      1. podpolkovnik
        podpolkovnik 7 May 2015 13: 53
        +4
        Quote: total commander
        Apparently, the Americans managed to buy a large batch of trampolines somewhere.
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        2. siberalt
          siberalt 7 May 2015 15: 33
          0
          Let them fly on their "tamogavki" laughing
    2. podpolkovnik
      podpolkovnik 7 May 2015 13: 52
      +6
      Quote: Novel 1977
      Pentagon: the United States will abandon the Russian RD-180, but not immediately

      Of course
    3. Nayhas
      Nayhas 7 May 2015 14: 46
      0
      Quote: Novel 1977
      Of course

      Quote id-tov now trending ...
  3. Abbra
    Abbra 7 May 2015 13: 38
    +5
    You first create your own power plant and test it ... nimble ...
    1. tol100v
      tol100v 7 May 2015 14: 54
      +3
      Quote: Abbra
      create and test it ... nimble ...

      If in a dozen years the "exceptional" could not repeat what was done in the USSR, then this is the best proof of the superiority of Our engineering and design thought! Nobody has yet managed to repeat the Russian How-Know! Many thanks to our technologists, designers and engineers!
      1. Sorokin
        Sorokin 8 May 2015 05: 24
        0
        And thanks to them and eternal thanksgiving.
    2. clidon
      clidon 7 May 2015 17: 51
      0
      Falcons how many fly already?
  4. kebeskin
    kebeskin 7 May 2015 13: 39
    +9
    The Americans, in fact, are still cunning, forcing the EU to apply sanctions to kill its economy, and as it comes to its economy, sanctions are immediately selective.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 7 May 2015 14: 33
      +1
      Quote: kebeskin
      force the EU to apply sanctions to kill its economy, and as it comes to its economy, sanctions are immediately selective.

      And this is everywhere with them. here is a quote about intellectual property
      in the United States itself there are many exceptions to these strict rules: there it is allowed, for example, when certain procedures are followed, to freely use intellectual property in the public interest. But only prohibitions are imposed on external partners, without exception.
      And you observe all this with your own eyes in problems with films, music, etc.
  5. Galich Kos
    Galich Kos 7 May 2015 13: 40
    +2
    Soon the fairy tale affects, but not soon the thing is done. While they will develop, while they will build, they will test, they will bring to mind ... Quickly, only cats breed.
    And you look and ours will come up with something new, something that seems to Amers more modern, reliable and cheaper.
    1. saag
      saag 7 May 2015 16: 32
      0
      Quote: Galich Kos
      While they will develop, while they will build, they will test, they will bring to mind ...

      They’re just a mask, for example, he will allocate money and finish his rocket
  6. Alexey Boukin
    Alexey Boukin 7 May 2015 13: 43
    +3
    Have you ever tried flying on a broom? And then you can order in the Vyatka province, there are excellent craftsmen. And your brothers Ukrainians, the descendants of "incomparable Solokha" will teach you to steer,
  7. ssn18
    ssn18 7 May 2015 13: 43
    +7
    Actually, I don’t understand why we are giving the enemy a club, with which he is likely to hit us. It seems to me that we need to cut off these supplies, especially since there was no payment. Let them spend time and grandmas on their development.
    And it would be better so ...
    1. holgert
      holgert 7 May 2015 14: 16
      0
      Better "" Ocean them. Stalin "" in your specified place ....
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 7 May 2015 13: 44
    +2
    do not order more (RD-180), but also do not cancel orders already made for (these) engines

    As I understand it, the orders made are not paid, which means they give us the opportunity to refuse supplies. It is very interesting to know what our interested organizations intend to do? Or once again the main role will be played by money?
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 7 May 2015 13: 53
      0
      I agree. We would have to answer them in French to this matter. An eye for an eye... negative
  9. kebeskin
    kebeskin 7 May 2015 13: 44
    +13
    And one more comment, I apologize for offtop. The opposition by May 1 was also preparing.

    In Krasnoyarsk, a rally was held, the participants of which opposed the fighting in Ukraine.
    According to an NGS correspondent, the rally began at 19:00 on Theater Square. About 10 people gathered for it. They held posters with slogans against the war in Ukraine and Ukrainian flags.
    Protesters stood at the color music fountain. On all sides they were surrounded by a portable metal fence. In addition, inside the fence there was a stand with photographs of prisoners in the framework of the so-called “Swamp business”. According to TASS, the opposition march took place in Moscow on May 6, 2012 and ended in clashes with the police. A dozen and a half people were convicted of organizing the riots. At the stand they were called "prisoners."

    LiberalsLiberals

    Judging because they were fenced in a kind of valerchik "I would gladly add a sign" Don't feed the Liberals "
    1. Mareman Vasilich
      Mareman Vasilich 7 May 2015 13: 53
      +1
      There were much more people who wanted to see the sheep live.
    2. 2sila
      2sila 7 May 2015 13: 56
      0
      Are they in a choli cage ?! Or is it so that they are not beaten .....
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      2. cumastra1
        cumastra1 7 May 2015 15: 21
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        Yes, they are in a cage, but they climbed themselves (this is the lot of all liberals at all times - in a cage and on the block), and certainly not to be beaten! Liberals originated in monkeys!
    3. Sergius
      Sergius 7 May 2015 15: 18
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      They fenced them so that honest people would not be bitten.
    4. gorge1945
      gorge1945 7 May 2015 15: 29
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      It would not be bad to enclose the barbed wire, and to build a tower with a guard.
    5. Sura
      Sura 7 May 2015 17: 45
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      And do not poke your fingers through the fence. Bite. The mouth is filled with poison.
  10. Rubmolot
    Rubmolot 7 May 2015 13: 45
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    Press the POWER button (in translation the START button, so as not to break the rules), the computer starts up - but not at once
  11. mpzss
    mpzss 7 May 2015 13: 46
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    "until 2019 ...", 3,5 years left, do they hope to make their own engine? or will they take from China?
    I think they rely on private companies, but then they need to stimulate these private companies, invest bucks in them, and not at all! and the buck is falling, I hope it will fall even more soon, then what will they do?
  12. 1536
    1536 7 May 2015 13: 48
    +5
    To harm Russia, America needs to self-destruct. Then the whole world will reproach Russia, to which she has brought the "exceptional country".
  13. engineer74
    engineer74 7 May 2015 13: 50
    +1
    Or maybe we, like France, "drown" them in space, after payment of course ???
    Or Iran and North Korea to sell? smile
  14. shinobi
    shinobi 7 May 2015 13: 55
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    This is an endless story. Own production was buried, old specialists became extinct, their new units. They close the gap. Yeah, yeah, you can’t repeat your own developed 70s.
  15. Dr. Barmaley
    Dr. Barmaley 7 May 2015 13: 57
    +1
    US will abandon Russian RD-180
  16. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 7 May 2015 14: 00
    +1
    M-dya. It would be funny if it were not so sad.
    Pen.Dossia is a country of crooks and traders for whom there is nothing sacred at all. To betray the allied countries, which suffer huge losses due to the sanctions that we invented? Yes easily!
  17. Lenin
    Lenin 7 May 2015 14: 10
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    I recall a joke about a Chinese artificial satellite, you can rephrase it for Americans. The first American artificial Earth satellite was launched yesterday. One hundred thousand Americans after the launch were hospitalized with a hernia obtained by stretching the gum. smile
  18. st25310
    st25310 7 May 2015 14: 13
    +3
    Engines are sold to launch their spy satellites, they get green paper for which they themselves fight so that it goes out of use ... Green paper is taken to offshore so that it does not work to produce anything Russian, even Russian engines that start them spies ... I got confused something (((((or I don’t understand something, or are too smart in the government? I don’t understand.
  19. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 7 May 2015 14: 14
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    Key: "... it takes time." And ShiSiA has less and less time. (Slowly preparing Yellowstone "" tongue
  20. forester
    forester 7 May 2015 14: 33
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    We need to get the money, agree to the delivery and postpone the shipment as much as possible. We have few well-paid loafers at all levels, so entrust them with design. By the new year, it will be more reliable to start delivering through Ukraine, we are all partners.
  21. Cruorvult
    Cruorvult 7 May 2015 14: 35
    +1
    Pentagon: the United States will abandon the Russian RD-180, but not immediately, and will switch to RD-190 :-D
  22. konovalovkott
    konovalovkott 7 May 2015 14: 37
    0

    Who wants to see how their space flights will look like)))))
  23. Khagysh
    Khagysh 7 May 2015 15: 02
    +1
    Why wait until they refuse? We must refuse them in deliveries. Ukraine does not give paid turbines, France-Mistrals, the whole of Europe has announced sanctions. How long can there be no limit in relation to Russia? Isn't it time to put in place this whole clique of stunned Russophobes ?! Don't wait, "the best defense is offense."
    1. Blondy
      Blondy 7 May 2015 15: 23
      +1
      Quote: Khagysh
      Why wait until they refuse? We must refuse them in deliveries. Ukraine does not give paid turbines, France-Mistrals, the whole of Europe has announced sanctions. How long can there be no limit in relation to Russia? Isn't it time to put in place this whole clique of stunned Russophobes ?! Don't wait, "the best defense is offense."

      So they wipe their feet about those who allow. As far as the story with the Mistrals is concerned, I can recall how the team was driven ashore and all information carriers were seized - and this is no longer going into any gate. And we have a president: "we hope that they are like decent people ..."
  24. Victor p
    Victor p 7 May 2015 15: 10
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    Piiiindos need to supply not only engines but also satellites, let them think that they are the smartest))))
  25. barbiturate
    barbiturate 7 May 2015 15: 15
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    let's see what the Americans will create) at the same time and test their ability to create in 1959 single-chamber kerosene oxygen !! engine with a pressure of only 69 atm and a thrust of 790 tons in a vacuum) it is clear that this is nonsense, but will the Americans even be able to come close to something in terms of the parameters that supposedly existed after 60 years. What scheme will they use in their new engine, according to ours or according to their own, because they must have the same gigantic experience in creating powerful engines))
  26. MolGro
    MolGro 7 May 2015 15: 16
    0

    And we congratulated them on the holiday and they are again unhappy))
  27. mamont5
    mamont5 7 May 2015 15: 19
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    "The United States" cannot afford to create a gap between the moment of abandoning the further use of the RD-180 and the beginning of the operation of its own power plant ", which will replace the Russian engine."

    Will it come? It’s easier to design a trampoline.
  28. Back in USSR
    Back in USSR 7 May 2015 15: 33
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    American import substitution ...
  29. not Russian
    not Russian 7 May 2015 16: 24
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    Correctly in due time they were put on a needle. Now let them get down, breaking say at the same time sickly happens
  30. vglazunov
    vglazunov 7 May 2015 19: 38
    0
    Fascism will not pass into space!
  31. vlad7777kul
    vlad7777kul 8 May 2015 03: 25
    0
    And when they expect to develop their own, he did not say?
  32. PValery53
    PValery53 9 May 2015 08: 25
    0
    Whether or not America will refuse to buy the RD-180 from us is their business. And we need to stop selling them to America, after all, no one has lifted the sanctions. Yes, and let them bear with Boeing without titanium parts.