Grouping "Dawn of Libya" and her crafts

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SAM C-125 as a ground-to-ground missile


The lack of spare parts for sophisticated weapons systems sold at one time to Libya led to a number of rather interesting alterations by the Libyan national army and the Libyan Dawn group, which are seeking to take advantage of each other. Recent examples of such rework included installing installation ship guns Oerlikon GDF for trucks grouping "Dawn of Libya" and installation AK-230 ship cannons for trucks of the Libyan People’s Army.

Libyan Dawn, currently controlling the capital of Libya, Tripoli and other major cities, such as Misurata, has received a large number of ground-to-air missiles found on its controlled lands in western Libya. Because the aviation while Libya is not yet a class, there is no need for such missiles or it is very small. Therefore, Libyan Dawn began to study the possibility of converting some of these anti-aircraft guided missiles (SAM) into ground-to-ground missiles. This group has already gained experience in similar modernization, when it used several X-29 air-to-ground missiles mounted on the Libyan Su-24 as unguided missiles, firing several targets near Tripoli.

Taking an unexpected step, the Libyan Dawn grouping transported at least two 125 “Neva” complete brigades (the export name of the Pechora complex, according to the classification of the US and NATO Defense Mines SA-3 Goa), along with the corresponding missiles and equipment in Tripoli early December 2014 and early March 2015. While the original intentions that caused these transfers remain unknown, recent photographs show that Dawn of Libya began using C-125 missiles as ground-to-ground missiles.

The missiles are mounted on their original (now mobile) launcher, but they have removed the front steering surfaces in order to obtain a more stable flight path in the role of an unguided ground-to-ground missile. More interestingly, the nose was extended, possibly to increase the size of the warhead. The original missile can take as much as a 60 kg of combat load, which is enough for serious damage or for destroying a potential air target, but too little for significant damage when performing tasks in the role of ground-to-ground. The warhead was probably replaced by a conventional high-explosive, which is more effective than the original high-explosive fragmentation warhead intended to destroy aircraft. Finally, the most likely remote fuse, usually associated with this rocket, was replaced by a more suitable fuse for work on ground targets.

Grouping "Dawn of Libya" and her crafts

But such an alteration of ground-to-air missiles into ground-to-ground missiles, made by the Dawn of Libya, is in fact not the first in the world. Back in 1988, Iraq redid several C-125 missiles into ballistic missiles with a target range of 200 km. The rocket, designated al-Barq, was refined to perform ground-to-ground tasks by eliminating some elements that determined the maneuverability of the C-125 rocket: the front steering surfaces and the radio fuse in the warhead were removed, and the self-destruct mechanism was disabled.

This alteration was only possible, since the C-125 warhead is part of the rocket body and is difficult to modify. Work on the rocket is slow and, although several test launches were indeed carried out, the achieved range was only 117 km with a circular probable deviation of several kilometers! Due to such unsatisfactory results, the project was subsequently closed in 1990.


Obviously, the Libyan Dawn group is unlikely to be able to do anything of practical value, even bringing together all these remnants of dusty rockets. It is unlikely that they will be able to achieve at least the range or accuracy of the failed Iraqi al-Barq missile; Modified on the knee of the rocket, most likely, suffer from an extremely short range and terrible inaccuracy. However, given the fact that there is more than an adequate supply of C-125 missiles for rework, and the fact that the civil war does not seem to be the end-edge, upgrades like this will, no doubt, be continued.



2K12 SAM as ground-to-ground missiles


The amazing activity of the “Dawn of Libya” group in re-engineering several ground-to-air C-125 missiles into ground-to-ground missiles is not the only example of such improvements in Libya. Indeed, at about the same time Dawn of Libya also worked on upgrading the Cube missiles (GRAU index 2K12, according to NATO classification SA-6 Gainful) in order to convert them into ground-to-earth missiles. An example of the first symbiosis: in the photo above is a combination of the Italian BTR Puma 6x6 with the launch part of the Soviet anti-aircraft missile system 2K12.

This Puma armored personnel carrier was part of the party (at least 12 vehicles), which was donated by Italy to the newly formed Libyan national army as early as 2013. But now it has been upgraded for completely different tasks by its new owners. Unlike the modifications of the C-125 missiles, there are no signs of improvement here, although of course they are extremely ineffective when used with their original high-explosive fragmentation warhead of 59 kg. In addition, rockets may not earn at all if the original fuse and guidance system are not replaced by more suitable alternative solutions.


As was already mentioned above in the part concerning the conversion of the “Dawn of Libya” of the ZN-XNMX missile, Iraq became the first with the idea of ​​converting anti-aircraft missiles into ground-to-ground missiles. In addition to the refinement of several C-125 missiles, Iraq also modified 125M3 missiles from the 9K2 complex to ground-to-ground tasks, which received the name Kasir. The project was launched in 12 year, his goal was to reach the range of 1989 km.

It turned out that the 3M9 rocket, as well as the C-125, is very difficult to modify for the tasks of the "earth-to-earth". In addition to the problems encountered when redesigning C-125 rockets, for example, the impossibility of modifying a solid-fuel accelerator in order to achieve the desired range, Iraqi engineers faced several problems concerning the refinement of more complex guidance and control systems.

Despite this, two test launches were carried out in the 1989 year, during which disappointing results were obtained, the flight range was only 62 km with too much of a possible circular deviation; This led to the closure of the project at the end of 1989.

The alteration of the 2K12 missiles by the Dawn of Libya grouping was no doubt no better than its Iraqi counterparts, since they can only be launched for large targets in the direct line of sight of the operator. However, the number of self-made projects in Libya is growing and the examples given are obviously not the last.

Materials used:
www.spioenkop.blogspot.ru
www.ru.wikipedia.org
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    1. +20
      4 May 2015 06: 07
      "with a circular probable deviation of several kilometers!" - and that says it all. Of course, there is fish for bezrybe and cancer, but as it is clear from the article there is little sense from these alterations. But there are also torpedoes. How will craftsmen use them for land battles? Put a big propeller in the back, the torpedo itself on the frame with wheels and remote control of the front axle, and on top of a healthy whistle from the paravoz, and just hold on to the shaitan. Of course, rockets are more useless, however ...
      1. PN
        +3
        4 May 2015 06: 57
        In short, they invent the FAA rocket.
      2. +3
        4 May 2015 07: 42
        rocket when used on min.distance burns fuel + head (efficiency lot higher) and decent accuracy - so it's a normal idea Yes (as they used in R17 (8K14) in Afghanistan) we’re learning to use mat.part then drinks
      3. +1
        4 May 2015 14: 38
        "Big Race" as a training film. There was a torpedo of the "Earth-self-running wheelchair" class.
    2. +7
      4 May 2015 07: 10
      Damn, it's easier to disassemble them! There will be more effect! As the picture presented, when tanks are fired with SAMs instead of ATGMs, it became already scary)
    3. +9
      4 May 2015 07: 28
      Damn, rather a weapon of psychological effect than a full combat! It will not hit the target, but
      fear of the enemy will catch up! Although, if you put the GPS receiver, shove the small-sized computer, and
      to connect all this with the control system, with writing the appropriate software, it can turn out fierce
      garbage for firing at given coordinates ... Of course, the power is weak, and the range to 100 km, but here
      can get into a square 5 by 5 meters! And then, as Alexy says: "hold on to the shaitan"!
      1. avt
        +7
        4 May 2015 09: 49
        Quote: AlNikolaich
        Damn, rather a weapon of psychological effect than a full combat!

        And exclusively for his nerds are stoned. Tell them that hosh, at least about the bombing of the USA.
        Quote: Fobos-grunt
        Of course, you can laugh at this practice of "hammering nails with microscopes" But such samples are perfect for delivering, say, sarin to densely populated areas of the coast of Italy or Spain

        laughing laughing fool Urgently from the computer for fresh air! On the sports ground, on the horizontal bar - you can't pull yourself up, it's so easy to hang and twist - insert the discs of the vertebra into place, again blood circulation will improve - the brain will begin to feed. meowing - by the special forces of hydronauts. wassat
    4. Polar
      +6
      4 May 2015 09: 02
      Rocket "Zaporozhets" is power! When it reaches the target, it can ensure the accuracy of b / g delivery on its own. And if you put gunpowder in the trunk? ;))
      1. +5
        4 May 2015 09: 19
        Quote: Polar
        Rocket "Zaporozhets" is power! When it reaches the target, it can ensure the accuracy of b / g delivery on its own. And if you put gunpowder in the trunk? ;))

        Kurds of this on the way to the roadblock to the moon were sent, though without rockets. The Igilovites got them with their suicide bombers and they began to lay landmines on the approaches - the effect is impressive.
    5. +2
      4 May 2015 09: 22
      Of course, you can laugh at this practice of "hammering nails with microscopes" But such samples are perfect for delivering, say, sarin to densely populated areas of the coast of Italy or Spain. If the European coast guard does not see ferries with refugees at close range, then a fishing schooner with a pair of conversion beeches "will let on the launch range ... they do not have an" iron dome ". We have already seen how "grateful" yesterday's "tyrannical fighters" are.
      1. +6
        4 May 2015 11: 20
        Quote: Fobos-grunt
        Of course, you can laugh at this practice of "hammering nails with microscopes" But such samples are perfect for delivering, say, sarin to densely populated areas of the coast of Italy or Spain

        And what's the point of this? No. Sarin is a very volatile substance that is easily carried away by the wind and dispersed in the atmosphere without creating foci of infection on the ground (this is his "+" when used in the zone of advance of his troops). The method of its application implies sudden "fire raids" and salvo firing of long-range guns or MLRS divisions. The warheads of the BR were not equipped with Zarin because of the low efficiency for this type of weapon. With a low accuracy of handicraft ballistic missiles, their effectiveness when equipped with Sarin will be practically zero.
    6. +7
      4 May 2015 10: 41
      Back in the 1988 year, Iraq converted several C-125 missiles into ballistic missiles with an intended range of 200 km.

      If the author knew a little about air defense systems, the readers of VO would never have seen such an absurdity. wassat What are 200 km? The firing range at air targets of the most "advanced" modifications of the C-125 is within 30 km. On the ground, it will turn out to be a little over 60 km. SAM "Cub" was never delivered to Libya, its export version - "Kvadrat" was supplied. It seems to be a small nuance, but still ... No. Apparently, the publication is translated and its person who was little versed in the subject wrote it.
    7. +2
      4 May 2015 11: 48
      C-125 ... C-125 .... here is the C-75 thing, warhead 200 kg ... and with the possibility of starting in uncontrolled mode.
      And in Libya 108 units were delivered to such sweets (5-6 teams of 18 PUs in each). 39 systems of C-75 Volga were delivered to Libya from the USSR during the period from 1975 to 1985. At 1991 — 1992, it was reported that there were 2 brigades for 18 air defense missile systems S-75
    8. +7
      4 May 2015 11: 59
      Quote: Strashila
      C-125 ... C-125 .... here is the C-75 thing, warhead 200 kg ... and with the possibility of starting in uncontrolled mode.

      Do not forget that unlike C-125 ZUR C-75 requires refueling with toxic fuel and a caustic oxidizer.
      Quote: Strashila
      And in Libya 108 units were delivered to such sweets (5-6 teams of 18 PUs in each). 39 systems of C-75 Volga were delivered to Libya from the USSR during the period from 1975 to 1985. At 1991 — 1992, it was reported that there were 2 brigades for 18 air defense missile systems S-75

      Almost all of them were destroyed as a result of airstrikes (in a satellite image) or by rebels on the ground.
    9. +2
      4 May 2015 14: 30
      Oh! God forbid that this article fall into the eyes of dill! They are already struggling to squeeze everything out of the arsenal that they inherited from the USSR. And then, you see, they will pay a pretty penny to the Libyan Kulibin, and they will throw their ideas to them. lol
      1. +3
        4 May 2015 19: 40
        So that the Ukrainians under the leadership of the Jews paid a penny to the Libyan Kulibins !!! ???
    10. Polar
      +1
      4 May 2015 19: 40
      In Ukraine, its brainy enough. They just sabotage a stupid government. IMHO.
    11. +1
      4 May 2015 20: 36
      And if not a high-explosive warhead, but to start separately (cassettes) and establish an air blast?

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