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Under-barrel grenade launchers GP-25 "Bonfire" and GP-30 "Obuvka"

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Grenade launchers as a class of independent, not auxiliary weaponsappeared almost by chance. At some point, one of the skilled gunsmiths had the idea to adapt a separate type of weapon for throwing grenades, and then, as they say, it started. The prototype of the grenade launchers were flint, and at first, wick mortars designed for shooting hand grenades. They were already known in the XVI century. At one time, Peter the Great tried to introduce them widely into the Russian army, but nothing came of this idea because of the very strong recoil that made the firing of this weapon impossible except from the stop.


Today, rocket launchers have made a big step forward, occupying their niche on the battlefield. A grenade launcher is a portable small arms, which is designed to defeat equipment, enemy manpower, various structures with a shot of ammunition, which significantly exceeds the caliber of small arms in its caliber. Currently, the word grenade launcher denotes several classes of weapons: rocket-propelled grenade launchers (disposable and reusable), muzzle (barrel and barrelless), easel and hand, as well as barrel-mounted. It is about the latter and will be discussed in this article.

It is worth noting that the Russian arms school, traditionally occupying a very high position in the world, presented a huge number of samples of small arms. Any country in the world could envy this arsenal. So it was with the series 40-mm grenade launchers GP-25 and GP-30, which were created by Tula gunsmiths from the Design Bureau of instrument-making and are still in service with the Russian army and armies of other countries. The use of grenade launchers can radically expand the combat capabilities of an infantryman in the context of modern highly maneuverable combat operations.



Birth of the grenade launcher GP-25 "Bonfire"

Work on the creation of a grenade launcher in the Soviet Union to expand the combat capabilities of infantry units began in the early 70s of the last century. The basis of these developments was based on the rich experience gained in the second half of the 60-s in the development of experimental grenade launchers in the framework of the design theme "Iskra". In 1978, the new grenade launcher was fully prepared and put into service under the designation GP-25. The grenade launcher was intended for installation on all existing Kalashnikov assault rifles - AKM, AKMS, AK-74 and AK-74С. In the 1989, the Soviet Army adopted an improved GP-30 grenade launcher, the main differences of which were a simpler design and a smaller mass.

The fact that the combat effectiveness of small arms can be increased by several times, combining machine guns and grenade launchers in a single design, Soviet specialists were well aware of, but active work in this direction began only in the 1970-s. According to the terms of reference required to create a grenade launcher caliber 40-mm. The work on the project, the complexity of which at that time was really high, was taken by the team of TsKIB SOO from Tula, a city in which love and passion for creating reliable and high-quality weapons is passed on from generation to generation. At that time, Vladimir Telesh, under the direction and control of which experimental work was carried out, already had a number of projects that were similar in their scheme to the project of a new grenade launcher.

But despite the experience of dealing with such systems, the USSR acted as a catch-up in this area. Shortly before the start of work on the grenade launcher in Tula, the Americans developed their own version of such a grenade launcher under the designation M-203. After a few years of hard work, trial, error, and various experiments, the first Soviet grenade launcher was created in the Soviet Union, which was designated GP-25 "Bonfire".



Sergey Milchak, an expert in the field of small arms and a veteran of military operations in Afghanistan, in an interview with the Russian television channel Zvezda spoke about his personal experience in using GP-25. According to him, the under-barrel grenade launcher is an indispensable thing in modern conflict. However, as in the case of the domestic GP-25, and with the American M-203, they were not immediately adopted. According to Milchak, with the start of the war in Afghanistan in Tula in 1980, a new grenade launcher began to be mass produced.

According to the expert, technically “Koster” is a very simple tool, as simple as a boot. At the same time in the army he was sometimes called the signal for the similarity with the signal (start) gun of that time. The grenade launcher trigger was very simple - the moving parts were at a minimum. He put a grenade in the barrel, aimed, fired a shot. Even a schoolboy could handle it.

"Bonfire" could be used with Kalashnikov assault rifles of any caliber: both 5,45 mm and 7,62 mm. The under-barrel grenade launcher turned out so successful that even in the heat of the battle it was possible to switch from an assault rifle to a grenade launcher almost in a split second: a soldier needed only to stretch his hand from the forearm to the muzzle, near which the GP-25 was located. In a combat situation, Kalashnikov assault rifles, equipped with the “Bonfire” grenade launcher, could serve as both means of direct fire support and “assault” weapons. As in this case, the shooter could, depending on the tasks before him, fire both from a machine gun and a grenade launcher.



Being an individual shooter’s weapon, the “Koster” rifle grenade launcher could be used to defeat the open, as well as hiding in trenches, trenches and on the reverse slopes of enemy manpower. Possessing small dimensions (length 323 mm) and relatively small mass (1,5 kg without a grenade), the grenade launcher provided a sufficiently large range of aimed shooting. In terms of the rate of fire, the GP-25 was significantly superior to all other single-shot grenade launchers due to the lack of the need to extract spent cartridges from it, open and close the bolt, and also trigger the trigger. The combat rate of fire was 4-5 rounds per minute.

The VOG-25 and VOG-25П shots specially made for him made it possible to effectively hit the enemy's manpower at a distance of up to 400 meters. Standard gunner arrow consisted of 10 shots, located in two fabric bags, with slots for shots - 5 pieces in each. Bags were placed on belts on both sides of the fighter's torso, which made them available regardless of the position of the shooter at one time or another. Thanks to the wearable additional ammunition (NDB), the fighter’s arsenal could be brought to the 20 shots. At the same time, the submachine gunner always had to have an emergency supply of three shots to the grenade launcher, which the soldier could spend only with the permission of his commander. Sergey Milchik noted that during all the years of the Afghan war, GP-25 never failed those for whom it was created. According to him, the failures of this weapon in his memory have never been, and the veteran-Afghani did not meet soldiers who complained about this development of Tula gunsmiths.

"Obuvka" is replacing

After serving the good service to Soviet soldiers in Afghanistan and having completed all the tasks before him, in 1989 the GP-25 "Bonfire" was successfully replaced with an advanced grenade launcher of the same caliber - the GP-30 "Obuvka". It is worth noting that both names were quite in the style of the Soviet gunsmiths. This grenade launcher absorbed in its design all the best from its predecessor, as well as the experience of fighting in Afghanistan. Unlike its predecessor, the GP-30 has a sight on the right and does not require a range switch. In addition, the grenade launcher "lost" (weight without a 1,3 kg grenade) and became less labor-intensive in production. Also, the design has undergone changes in sight.



Despite the general similarity of the design and appearance, the GP-30 “Obuvka” had a much higher rate of fire than its Soviet predecessor and even more so its American counterpart - M-203. The combat rate of fire of the GP-30 grenade launcher reached the 10-12 rounds per minute. Once again, the task set before the Soviet gunsmiths designers was carried out brilliantly: the army received an excellent and quite effective means of fighting the enemy manpower, having received a reliable tool in their hands for solving problems on the battlefield.

A separate line in the military fate of the grenade launcher GP-30 are Russian military campaigns in the North Caucasus. Nikolay Kotz, the commander of the motorized rifle unit and the reserve officer, in an interview with the journalists of the TV channel “Zvezda” told him exactly what he remembered this, seemingly ordinary, grenade launcher. “I will never forget the case when we were surrounded by militants. Ammunition began to come to an end, but by some lucky chance we in the "Urals" turned out to be several boxes with "vogs" (shots for a grenade launcher). And here we are as dumbfounded, firing pistols in one direction and from grenade launchers in the other, were able to hold out for 4 hours, until our "turntables" flew to us. Commanders then told this historyNobody believed that it was possible to keep a defense for half a day from grenade launchers. Well, they didn’t believe their right, the main thing is that my company was able to leave without a loss thanks to this occasion, ”said Nikolay Kots.

In terms of their design, the GP-25 and the GP-30 are single-shot rifled grenade launchers charged from the barrel. On the case of a grenade there is a leading belt with ready-made cuts. They have a self-cocking trigger with automatic blocking of the shot when installed incorrectly on the machine and a manual safety device. The grenades used with them possess an original “caseless” design with a chamber for a propellant charge, which “flies” out of the barrel directly from the grenade. This decision made it possible to exclude from the reloading cycle of the weapon actions to remove the spent cartridge case from the barrel, which significantly increased the practical rate of fire of these grenade launchers in comparison with most foreign analogues.

Under-barrel grenade launchers GP-25 "Bonfire" and GP-30 "Obuvka"


One of the main drawbacks of the “Koster” and “Obuvka” grenade launchers in comparison with counterparts from Western manufacturers is the limited selection of ammunition. With these grenade launchers, soldiers can use the entire 3 type of grenade. This is a standard FOG-25 fragmentation grenade, a "jumping" VOG-25P and a non-lethal Grenade grenade, which is equipped with tear gas. The VOG-25P jumping grenade differs from the usual one in that after hitting the ground near the target it does not explode immediately, but at first due to the special charge it “bounces” up to a height of about half a meter-meter and is already undermined in the air. This provides a more effective target cover (infantry in a shelter or a trench) with shrapnel. For VOG-25 grenades, the radius of the effective zone of destruction by shrapnel is about 5 meters, and the most effective firing range is 100-150 meters.

The modern version of the GP-30M, produced in Tula, can be used with all possible modifications of AK Russian-made, and with the implementation of appropriate modifications and with other models of automatic weapons. This significantly expands the fire potential of these weapons. This grenade launcher provides high combat readiness and is characterized by ease of use. The use of a trigger mechanism (USM) self-cocking type increases the combat readiness of the weapon and ensures its safety. The locking devices in the USM completely exclude the possibility of carrying out an accidental shot when exposed to inertial overloads, as well as firing from a grenade launcher that is not attached to the machine gun. For ease of targeting, the GP-30M is equipped with a mechanical frame sight, which takes into account the derivation of grenades over the entire range of the mounted and mounted trajectory of firing. The sighting frame is mounted on the bracket GP-30М, which gives the fighter the opportunity to use the grenade launcher in combination with any sample of the machine gun without mounting a special sight.

In addition, the GP-30M grenade launcher is distinguished by a high practical rate of fire. The use of a cartridgeless shot makes it possible to load a grenade launcher from the barrel muzzle, and unloading by simply pressing the ejector, which positively affects its rate of fire in comparison with breech-loading grenade launchers.



Tactical and technical characteristics of GP-30M:

Weight - kg 1,3 without a grenade and kg 1,6 with a grenade.
Overall dimensions: in the stowed position - 280х69х130 mm,
in a combat position - 280х69х192 mm.
The maximum firing range is 400 meters.
Rate of Fire - 10-12 rds / min.
Type of shot - 40-mm VOG-25.

Information sources:
http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201504180816-ye42.htm
http://world.guns.ru/grenade/rus/gp-25-and-gp-30-r.html
http://weaponland.ru/publ/strelba_iz_podstvolnogo_granatometa_gp_25_koster/8-1-0-390
http://www.kbptula.ru
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  1. terrible
    terrible April 29 2015 06: 32
    -3
    Someone like that, but I was not happy with the grenade launcher. Especially when the grenades ran out. This extra kg. Oh how it felt!
    1. bolat19640303
      bolat19640303 April 29 2015 06: 49
      12
      Quote: formidable
      Someone like that, but I was not happy with the grenade launcher. Especially when the grenades ran out. This extra kg. Oh how it felt!


      I had a chance to shoot - a great GP-25 grenade launcher, simple and reliable to disgrace, it’s quite easy to master accurate shooting. How did he not please you? Weight?
      1. prosto_rgb
        prosto_rgb April 29 2015 11: 00
        +1
        Quote: bolat19640303
        I had a chance to shoot - a great GP-25 grenade launcher, simple and reliable to disgrace, it’s quite easy to master accurate shooting. How did he not please you? Weight?

        Happy for you.
        And I, unfortunately, did not happen. sad
        As for me personally, the design of the GP is optimal for its purposes and surpasses Western breech-loading analogues. How is it just not are tortured find bold technical solutions to increase the rate of fire by at least 10-15%.
        The only thing is that it would be possible to make a shot with a shot.
    2. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat April 29 2015 07: 00
      +6
      But while there is a good help) And indeed, if the cartridges run out, the machine also turns into a simple 4kg club.))

      Seriously, yes, the balance is moving towards the muzzle brake. But the fighters are not muscular young ladies and I think they can keep the weight, and the increase in firepower of three or four kilos (I include ammunition) is worth it.
    3. Homo
      Homo April 29 2015 08: 01
      29
      Quote: formidable
      Someone like that, but I was not happy with the grenade launcher. Especially when the grenades ran out. This extra kg. Oh how it felt!

      And what a burden an automatic machine without cartridges, but I generally keep silent about my head without brains! am
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I April 29 2015 09: 21
        +6
        Quote: Homo
        I’m silent about the head without brains!

        lol
      2. Shadowcat
        Shadowcat April 29 2015 12: 58
        +5
        You do not understand! You can not lift a person heavy! This soldier is not more than 300 grams)
        1. Aqela
          Aqela 6 May 2015 12: 11
          +1
          Those. faceted glass weight + poured vodka? request drinks
      3. Shishiga
        Shishiga April 29 2015 18: 13
        +2
        hi
        And what a burden an automatic machine without cartridges, but I generally keep silent about my head without brains!

        lol good good good
      4. terrible
        terrible April 30 2015 05: 48
        -3
        In your case, it is better to remain silent and seem like a fool than speak out and not leave a shadow of doubt in this guy)))))))
    4. Lenivets
      Lenivets 17 May 2015 14: 28
      0
      Who prevented you from removing it and putting it in your backpack? what
  2. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack April 29 2015 07: 16
    +5
    simple and reliable weapons. and the name warms the soul - shoe and bonfire. sincerely)))))
    1. Aqela
      Aqela 6 May 2015 12: 12
      0
      Probably the following models will be called a scarf and earflaps good bully
  3. Hubun
    Hubun April 29 2015 07: 34
    13
    wonderful thing, there was a craftsman in the group, VOG managed to lay down in the window pane, not in the current windows, but the old ones with a small window at the top
    1. sub307
      sub307 April 29 2015 13: 56
      +6
      Here, here - "in everything you need skill ...", and "bad dancer" ... it is known what interferes.
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    3. Hell's Angel
      Hell's Angel April 30 2015 06: 41
      +3
      Such craftsmen did it practically "from the waist". How many times did he ask: How?
      - And X / Z it is ....
  4. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior April 29 2015 08: 09
    +2
    By the way, is it true that with 25, at first there was an incident - from the shot from the grenade launcher the receiver cover opened?
    1. padonok.71
      padonok.71 April 29 2015 09: 15
      +5
      Yes, there was such a thing and it opened and flew away. Then, the kit began to supply a modified retainer and everything worked out. Now such latches are put on all machines and the need for its presence in the delivery kit has disappeared.
    2. Mik13
      Mik13 April 29 2015 09: 56
      +9
      Quote: Landwarrior
      By the way, is it true that with 25, at first there was an incident - from the shot from the grenade launcher the receiver cover opened?


      True. Therefore, the kit includes a replaceable guide for the return mechanism with a latch so that it does not fly off. If you do not change it, it will fly away.

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    4. Landwarrior
      Landwarrior April 29 2015 10: 00
      +2
      padonok.71,Mik13 , thank ! hi
  5. IS-80
    IS-80 April 29 2015 09: 07
    0
    Still, I like the M320 and GL40S more. I hope our gunsmiths do something similar.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I April 29 2015 09: 27
      +1
      Yes, sss! Of course, the GP-25 and GP-30 are simplicity, reliability and, probably, cheapness ... but in terms of firing range they are inferior to American grenade launchers (I'm not talking about the "assortment"). Why not create a breech-loading one, with a longer barrel "grenade launcher" for the 7P35 shot?
      1. Elk
        Elk April 29 2015 10: 20
        +4
        Why not create a breech-loading, with a longer barrel "grenade launcher" for the 7P35 round?

        This shot has energy 5 times larger and the corresponding recoil momentum. So it’s unrealistic to depict a grenade under it.
        1. IS-80
          IS-80 April 29 2015 10: 41
          -4
          Quote: Elk
          This shot has energy 5 times larger and the corresponding recoil momentum. So it’s unrealistic to depict a grenade under it.


          Why's that? Put the muzzle brake, recoil device and shoot at least bursts.
          1. Elk
            Elk April 29 2015 13: 31
            +5
            Why did it happen?

            There is such a wonderful formula E = m * V² / 2. This formula allows you to calculate the kinetic energy of the body. Now we look at the initial speed of the GP-30 grenade VOG25 (7P17) shot 76 m / s, weight 0,25 kg, respectively, we have E = 722 J.
            Now about 7P35 As I understand it, we are talking about a shot for the "Balkan" (although it is 7P39). The initial speed is 185 m / s, the mass is 0,43 kg, respectively, we have E = 7358 J. Thus, I was mistaken, in fact, the difference is 10 times.
            Put the muzzle brake, recoil device and shoot at least bursts.

            This is what they did:
            1. Elk
              Elk April 29 2015 14: 55
              +4
              Z.Y. To the previous post.
              In general, small arms are not designed for such loads and the use of both underbarrel grenade launchers and gun grenades causes increased wear. Video in the topic:
              1. IS-80
                IS-80 April 29 2015 15: 22
                -1
                Quote: Elk
                Z.Y. To the previous post.
                In general, small arms are not designed for such loads and the use of both underbarrel grenade launchers and gun grenades causes increased wear. Video in the topic:

                Not calculated, but under-barrel grenade launchers adopted. Something is wrong here. Do not find? smile
                1. Elk
                  Elk April 29 2015 16: 00
                  +3
                  Something is wrong here. Do not find?

                  But simply there are no other options, do not find? Yes, the machine’s resource was sharply reduced, but in real combat conditions it doesn’t last long, but they got the most compact support weapon.
              2. imjarec
                imjarec 4 May 2015 08: 37
                +2
                Thanks for the video information. He served, was on "hot" business trips more than once, but did not know that after 400 shots the machine gun should be checked for operability. In slow motion, you can clearly see how the barrel bends during the VOG-25 shot! As for the weight of the weapon (1,5 kg more) and the wearable ammunition load, in conditions of constant real combat operations this is the "least evil." And of two evils, they choose the lesser. PC machine gunners took from me for missions (to the mountains!) Not 800 ammunition (sample 1908g-7,62 na 54), but "a piece", 1200 or "one and a half pieces", as they said. But 1500, of course, is rare - when an ambush is near the drop site. So, carrying a machine gun with a grenade launcher (3.600 + 1.500 = 5.100) is not critical for a normal soldier. By the way, neither in Afghanistan nor in Chechnya, I have never heard anyone call this weapon "Bonfire". Only "grenade launcher" or "gepashka". Just like AGS-17. Only "AGS", not "Flame" in any way. But AS "Val" was called this way and that. But this is a topic for another discussion.
            2. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I April 29 2015 15: 13
              +3
              Truncated right about the shot: for the "Balkan" .... 7P39? Fir-trees! Again the memory microchip is frozen! The fact that 7P39 was more powerful was in the "courses", but somehow did not think, how much? Therefore-merci!
      2. bazilio
        bazilio April 29 2015 16: 37
        +2
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        . Why not create a breech-loading, with a longer barrel

        Look in neta Old on Iskra - if it would be modified, it could have turned out to be an excellent grenade launcher
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    2. Hell's Angel
      Hell's Angel April 30 2015 06: 47
      +1
      How do you like this? Not a grenade launcher, of course, but the "cartridges" are the same.
      1. Elk
        Elk 1 May 2015 09: 23
        +1
        The problem is the same as with the American M79 - it is a separate weapon, and specific. Carrying a grenade launcher with ammunition and a rifle with ammunition, and most importantly, switching from one type of weapon to another, was somewhat difficult.
      2. Landwarrior
        Landwarrior 1 May 2015 11: 13
        0
        RG-6 "Gnome"? laughing Well if such attach the underbarrel - in general, "shaitan-karamultuk" will turn out laughing
  6. tchoni
    tchoni April 29 2015 09: 15
    +3
    That’s what I didn’t master - it’s GPshku.
    But one familiar participant in restoring constitutional order in Ichkeria said that they tried to take away charges from him for the young - because they fired everywhere. including almost under your feet.
    Regarding the firing from a machine with a GP - I will say this - I liked it. The trunk jumps less.
  7. brr1
    brr1 April 29 2015 11: 39
    +2
    I always liked the accuracy of the GP-25. But one structural moment has always been straining - it is a sight. Forever broke flies.
  8. Prometheus
    Prometheus April 29 2015 12: 28
    +1
    Only 3 types of shots are described. In fact, there are many more. Here it is written http://www.spec-naz.org/forum/forum27/topic1718/
    1. AndreyS
      AndreyS April 29 2015 13: 03
      +3
      Quote: Prometheus
      Only 3 types of shots are described. In fact, there are many more.

      You are absolutely right. Already there are thermobaric (this is from combat), and the GDM-40 is generally a song! The truth is I can say one thing, they released the GP-30, but they forgot that sometimes it is necessary to shoot from the grenade launcher! The GP-25 has a hinged trajectory scale, but the GP-30 does not. And honestly, I did not feel any serious relief in weight.
  9. MAG
    MAG April 29 2015 13: 06
    +1
    GP-25 is good for everyone, but I didn’t take it for myself) I don’t like to carry heavy loads) Like 3 troopers hit 20 grenades on each, ags is resting)) it turned out to be continuous shooting and a large cover.
  10. gross kaput
    gross kaput April 29 2015 13: 39
    +1
    "These developments were based on the rich experience gained in the second half of the 60s during the development of experimental grenade launchers within the framework of the Iskra design theme. "
    Half-truths are often worse than lies, Iskra - OKG-40 Rebrikova was a competitor to GP-25, but the same "rich experience" or rather the flying away liner working on the principle of high / low pressure Telesh and Co. from Rebrikov was "borrowed" or rather simply ripped off - there is generally a very bad story with copyright certificates turned out. Well, the GP-25 itself of the first modifications that were tested, including military ones, had a crane device for dumping some of the gases, which made it possible to carry out mounted firing at a distance of 50 m.
    1. padonok.71
      padonok.71 April 29 2015 16: 17
      +1
      This is generally a story characteristic of Tula, the same GS - they’ll twist cleaner than with M / ARseriya.
    2. bazilio
      bazilio April 29 2015 16: 34
      0
      Quote: gross kaput
      Well, the GP-25 itself, the first modifications that were tested, including military ones, had a crane device for dumping part of the gases, which made it possible to carry out mounted fire at a distance of already 50 m.

      And what kind of proof link can you provide?

      Quote: gross kaput
      Spark - OKG-40 Rebrikova was a competitor to GP-25,

      TKB 048 Spark was developed in the mid-60s, GP-25 in the mid-70s. How were they competitors?
      1. gross kaput
        gross kaput April 29 2015 18: 44
        +1
        Quote: bazilio
        And what kind of proof link can you provide?

        What? GP-25 with a crane? laughing
        Open the magazine weapons №5 for 2000 and read an article by Rebrikov.
        As for the tap, it slipped near Telesh himself, well, and, as it were, it was lying in my paper (a blueprint), let's say, an "editorial version" or rather a layout printed on a typewriter and with photo tables and edits glued in with the pen of the first temporary instruction on GP-25, and there are such wonderful edits with crossed out references to the crane device, corrected distance tables, crossed out paragraph describing the crane device and the corresponding space in the pages where it should be.
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  11. padonok.71
    padonok.71 April 29 2015 13: 39
    +2
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    under the shot 7P35
    Cho for the shot?
    GRAU - only there are such. (?)
    7P33 - shot TBG-7V "Tanin"
    7P36 - VOG-30 shot for AGS-17
    Maybe I missed something?
    1. Elk
      Elk April 29 2015 14: 57
      0
      Cho for the shot?

      Maybe a shot for "Goat"?
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I April 29 2015 15: 18
      +1
      I'm sorry! The memory microchip failed! repeat I have already been corrected: 7П39.
      1. padonok.71
        padonok.71 April 29 2015 16: 13
        0
        Yeah, okay.
  12. MahsusNazar
    MahsusNazar April 29 2015 13: 52
    +2
    Quote: Prometheus
    Only 3 types of shots are described. In fact, there are many more. Here it is written http://www.spec-naz.org/forum/forum27/topic1718/

    Thanks for the reference - informative. I was familiar with 4, I also knew smoke (BB-imprints on funds soldier )
    I liked the grenade launcher and, yes, canopy shooting had a place to be. It turned out pretty well, almost a mortar turned out.
  13. eaz
    eaz April 29 2015 14: 15
    +2
    grenade launcher (I'm talking about gp25) oh, how useful it was in Chechnya. it’s not clear why you are not thrilled. but at the expense of extra pounds ... firepower fully justifies these very pounds
  14. terrible
    terrible April 29 2015 14: 41
    -3
    Firepower)))) RPG is power !! The only one + is mounted shooting on the reverse ramp or through the building. Ito is rather a harassing fire at random! But it looks brutal)))))) in the window, yes, you can get it. But the effect is miserable. For the enemy in the bronics and) in a padded jacket you need a direct hit. And again, when the bk is exhausted, it turns into ballast. Therefore, I remain a supporter of national grenades!
    1. Hubun
      Hubun April 29 2015 15: 58
      +5
      without bk any barrel ballast if so judged. To whom, of course, I would prefer that there be such a gadget in my group, and preferably not one.
  15. terrible
    terrible April 30 2015 00: 15
    0
    And I would prefer), so that every fighter had the opportunity to shoot with barreled grenades! Yes, due to the exclusion of the starting device, it can be increased bp! Yes, and the range of ammunition to expand up to cumulative. And there’s a lot to increase the caliber!
  16. eaz
    eaz April 30 2015 06: 38
    0
    Grozny. What are you talking about .... about mass or caliber to increase? laughing
    1. terrible
      terrible April 30 2015 11: 30
      -2
      ) about the Tula lobby. For the concept itself is not true! Arming barrel grenades would save budget money !! After all, gp costs money) however. But judging by the new form of the compensator on ak12, this possibility is already provided)
    2. terrible
      terrible April 30 2015 11: 30
      -3
      ) about the Tula lobby. For the concept itself is not true! Arming barrel grenades would save budget money !! After all, gp costs money) however. But judging by the new form of the compensator on ak12, this possibility is already provided)
  17. Navy7981
    Navy7981 April 30 2015 10: 12
    +1
    I have a question, why was the GP30 removed (plumb) the ability to relatively accurately shoot at the mortar? Only by eye. Not a few guys of GP25 often used it very precisely.
  18. erseer
    erseer 1 May 2015 20: 27
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    Someone like that, but I was not happy with the grenade launcher. Especially when the grenades ran out.This extra kg. Oh how it felt!

    Vasily Ivanovich, the machine gun tapes are over ..
    Petka, you’re a communist!
    ... and again "scribbled" the Petkin machine gun ...
  19. moskowit
    moskowit 1 May 2015 22: 05
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    Thanks for the article, very informative. Seen only in the chronicle and the movie. He served so long that they did not even think about the grenade launchers. But "Flame" was mastered with terrible secrecy. The calculation was disassembled and cleaned in an isolated room, often directly in the car parks with hung grills. The firing was carried out separately from the units. request sad what
  20. serge siberian
    serge siberian 4 May 2015 18: 04
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    I didn’t hold it myself, I don’t imagine what it is. However, logically, it’s a necessary thing. About the window, too, I heard a lot. Wonderfully but surely they can when necessary. If "Nuno is mono."