German memoirs explain what caused the Wehrmacht's defeat in the war.

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Every spring, when Victory Day is approaching, television begins to show feature films dedicated to the Great Patriotic War. Hand on heart: most of them simply speculate on a great topic. It is necessary to push a man in the street who belches in front of the TV with a bottle of beer in his hand, something “interesting”, pleasant for his little eyes, settled from the peaceful life.

German memoirs explain what caused the Wehrmacht's defeat in the war.


So there are serials like “Fighters”, the main intrigue of which is who climbs under the skirt of a female pilot: “bad” political officer or “good” son of a repressed pre-revolutionary aristocrat with a volume of Goethe in German under his arm played by actor Dyuzheva? Those who did not fight, or even those who did not serve, tell others who did not fight, that war is very interesting and erotic. Even, they say, there is a time to read the Russian soldier Goethe. Frankly, I turn up from such films. They are immoral and deceitful.

False as an American Pearl Harbor. Because the same cliches are made - war and girls. And nothing like these films add to the answer to the question: why did our grandfathers then win? After all, the Germans were so organized, so well armed, and had such excellent command that any “realist” could only surrender. How Czechoslovakia surrendered (without a fight!), Poland (almost without fighting), France (easily and pleasantly - as a Parisian prostitute “surrenders” to a client), as well as Belgium, Denmark, Norway, Yugoslavia, Greece ...

But in the East it didn’t work out - everything went awry and ended for some reason not in Moscow, but in Berlin. Where it started.

It seems to me that the memoirs of the most publicized "commandos" and "super-saboteurs" - Obersturmbannführer SS Otto Skorzeny will help clarify this issue somewhat. The same - the liberator of Mussolini and the kidnapper of Horthy, a hunter for Tito, and at the same time a man who sniffed gunpowder precisely in the offensive campaign of 1941 in Russia. As part of the SS division "Reich", which was part of tank Guderian's group.

Cleaning 1937-th strengthened the Red Army

Otto Skorzeny attacked through Brest and Yelnya, participated in the encirclement of the troops of the South-Western Front in Ukraine, admired through binoculars at the distant domes of Moscow. But so it did not hit. And the whole life of a retired obershurtmbanführer was tormented by the question: why didn’t they take Moscow? After all, they wanted to. And prepared. And they were great with themselves: Skorzeny describes with a sense of deep satisfaction how he made a full-figured 12-kilometer march and shot almost without a miss. But life had to end in faraway Spain - in exile, running from post-war German justice, poisoning it with the German pedantry of “denacification”, as the cockroach housewife poisons. It's a shame!

Memoirs of Skorzeny in Ukraine never translated. In Russia - only with bills. Basically those episodes where it comes to special operations. The Russian version of the memoir begins from the moment when Skorzeny, after his adventures near Moscow, enters the hospital. But in the original it is preceded by more 150 pages. About how people went to Moscow and why, according to the author, they still suffered embarrassment.

One of the reasons for the defeat of the Germans, according to the SS veteran, was the hidden sabotage among the German generals: “In the sanctuary of the old Prussian system - the General Staff of the ground forces - a small group of generals still fluctuated between tradition and innovation, some departed with privileges ... People like Beck and his successor Halder ... it was hard to obey a man whom some called the "Czech corporal". Skorzeny devotes a lot of attention to the conspiracy of the military and believes that it existed in the form of a secret opposition to the Führer long before 1944.

As an example to Hitler, the author of the memoirs puts Stalin and 1937 a year: “The giant purge among the military, carried out after the same mass shootings among politicians, misled not only Heydrich and Schellenberg. Our political intelligence was convinced that we had achieved decisive success, and Hitler was of the same opinion. However, the Red Army, contrary to the general opinion, was not weakened, but strengthened ... The posts of repressed commanders of armies, corps, divisions, brigades, regiments and battalions were occupied by young officers - ideological communists. And the conclusion: “After the total, terrible purging of 1937, a new, political Russian army appeared, capable of resisting the fiercest battles. Russian generals carried out orders, and did not engage in conspiracies and betrayal, as often happened at our highest positions. ”

One cannot but agree with this. Unlike Hitler, Stalin created a system completely subordinate to him. Therefore, in the autumn of 1941, when the Germans were standing near Moscow, there was no generals' conspiracy in the Red Army. And in the Wehrmacht in three years was. Although to Berlin at that time was much further. It is impossible to imagine that Stalin would be blown up by someone from “his own” in the Kremlin, as Colonel Stauffenberg tried to do in Wolfsan with the adored Führer.

Abwehr did not report anything important

“In war,” writes Otto Skorzeny, “there is still one little-known, but often decisive aspect — a secret one. I am talking about events taking place far from the battlefields, but having a very large influence on the course of the war - they entailed enormous losses of equipment, deprivation and death of hundreds of thousands of European soldiers ... More than any other, the Second World War was a war of intrigue " .

Skorzeny directly suspects the head of the German military intelligence, Admiral Canaris, in secret work for the British. It was Canaris who convinced Hitler in the summer of 1940 of the year that landing in Britain was impossible: “On July 7, he sent Keitel a secret report in which he reported that the Germans landing in England were expecting 2 first-line divisions and 19 reserve divisions. The British at that time had only one unit ready for battle - the 3 Division of General Montgomery. The General remembers this in his memoirs ... From the very beginning of the war and at the crucial moments, Canaris acted as the most formidable opponent of Germany. ”

If Hitler had known then about the misinformation that his intelligence chief had shoved him, Britain would have been crushed. And in the summer of 1941, Hitler would have fought a war not on two fronts, but only on one — Eastern. Agree, the chances of taking Moscow in this case, he would have been much higher. “I talked to Canaris three or four times,” Skorzeny recalled, “and he did not impress me as a tactful or exceptionally intelligent person, as some people write about him. He never spoke directly, was cunning and incomprehensible, and this is not the same thing. ” And be that as it may, "The Abwehr never told the OKW anything really important or significant."

"We did not know"

This is one of the most frequent complaints of the great saboteur: “We did not know that the Russians in the war with Finland did not use the best soldiers and outdated equipment. We did not realize that their hard-won victory over the brave Finnish army was only a bluff. It is about concealing a huge force capable of attacking and defending, about which Canaris, the head of intelligence of the Wehrmacht, had to at least know something. ”

Like everyone else, Skorzeny was struck by the "gorgeous T-34." The Germans also had to rush to these tanks with bottles filled with gasoline. In the films, such an episode is characteristic of the depiction of the heroism of a Soviet soldier who was forced to fight almost with his bare hands. But in reality it happened and vice versa. Moreover, regularly: “German anti-tank guns, which easily hit tanks such as T-26 and BT, were powerless against the new T-34, which suddenly appeared from uncompressed wheat and rye. Then our soldiers had to attack them with the help of “Molotov cocktails” - ordinary bottles with gasoline with a lit ignition cord instead of a cork. If the bottle hit the steel plate that protected the engine, the tank caught fire ... “Faust-cartridges” appeared much later, therefore, at the beginning of the campaign, some Russian tanks were held back by direct fire only by our heavy artillery. ”

In other words, the entire Reich anti-tank artillery proved useless against the new Russian tank. It could only be held by heavy cannons. But no less impressed by the memoirist, were the engineer units of the Red Army and their equipment - it made it possible to build a 60-meter bridge, making it possible to transport vehicles to 60 tons by weight! Wehrmacht did not possess such a technique.

Technical inconsistency

The entire calculation of the German offensive doctrine was based on the high mobility of the motorized units. But motors require spare parts and constant maintenance. And with this in the German army there was no order. Interfered with the different types of cars in one unit. “In the 1941 year,” Skorzeny complains from his own experience of service in the Reich division, “every German car company continued to produce different models of its brand just like before the war. A large number of models did not allow to create an appropriate stock of spare parts. In motorized divisions there were approximately 2 thousands of vehicles, sometimes 50 of various types and models, although 10 — 18 would be enough. In addition, our artillery regiment had more than 200 trucks represented by 15 models. In the rain, in the mud or in the cold, even the best specialist could not provide quality repairs. ”

And here is the result. Just outside Moscow: “We continued to move forward on 2 December and were able to occupy Nikolaev, located in 15 km from Moscow — during clear sunny weather I saw binoculars from the domes of Moscow churches. Our batteries fired on the outskirts of the capital, but we no longer had gun tractors. ” If the guns are still there, and the “all out” tractors, it means that the German “supertechnik” had to be left on the road due to breakdowns. And in the hands of heavy guns do not drag.

The German army approached Moscow completely exhausted: “The 19 of October began torrential rains, and the Army Group Center was stuck in the mud for three days ... The picture was terrible: a column of equipment stretched for hundreds of kilometers, where thousands of cars were stuck in mud sometimes on the hood. Not enough gasoline and ammunition. Provision, on average 200 tons per division, was delivered by air. Three invaluable weeks and a huge amount of material resources were lost ... At the cost of hard labor and hard labor, we managed to build 15 kilometers of logs from the logs ... We dreamed that we could quickly get colder. ”

But when frost struck 6 on 7 on November, and the division in which Skorzeny served served ammunition, fuel, some food and cigarettes, it turned out that there was no winter oil for engines and weapons - engines start problematic. Instead of winter uniforms, sand-colored kits intended for the African corps and equipment painted in the same light tones fell into the troops.

Meanwhile, the frost intensified to 20 and even 30 degrees. With sincere amazement, the brave SS man describes the winter outfit of Soviet soldiers - fur coats and fur boots: “An unpleasant surprise - for Borodino we first had to fight with the Siberians. They are tall, excellent soldiers, well armed; they are dressed in wide fur sheepskin coats and hats, and on their feet are fur boots. ” It was only from the captured Russian that the Germans learned that the shoes in winter should be a little spacious so that the foot did not freeze: “Having carefully studied the equipment of the courageous Siberians captured under Borodino, we learned that, for example, if there are no felt boots, then leather boots should not be shod and, the main thing, they should be free, not to press a foot. This was known to all skiers, but not to our specialists in clothing services. Almost all of us wore fur boots, taken from the dead Russian soldiers. ”

Excellent Russian intelligence

Almost the main reason for the defeat of the German army, Skorzeny considers great Russian intelligence. The Red Orchestra - a spy network in Europe, most often from committed anti-Nazis - allowed the Soviet General Staff to have information about the strategic intentions of the Germans. He also recalls the superagent Richard Sorge, thanks to whose information that Japan would not enter the war, 40 divisions deployed from the Far East appeared near Moscow.

“The Reich's strategy for war was better,” Skorzeny said, “our generals had a stronger imagination. However, from the ordinary soldier to the commander of the company, the Russians were equal to us - courageous, resourceful, gifted masking agents. They fiercely resisted and were always ready to sacrifice their lives ... The Russian officers, from the division commander and below, were younger and more determined than ours. From October 9 to 5, the Reich Division, 10-Tank Division and other parts of the 16-Tank Corps lost 40 percent of their regular staff. After six days, when our positions were attacked by the newly arrived Siberian divisions, our losses exceeded 75 percent. ”

Here is the answer to the question why the Germans did not take Moscow? They just knocked out. Himself Skorzeny no longer fought at the front. As a stupid man, he realized that the chances of surviving in this meat grinder are minimal, and he took the opportunity to go to the service in the SS commando unit. But he was no longer attracted to the front line - to steal dictators is much nicer and safer than to face Siberians in boots, fighting with the support of T-34 and the best intelligence in the world.

PS The author of this article is the famous Ukrainian journalist, writer and historian Oles Buzin was killed in Kiev at the entrance of his house.
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  1. +30
    April 29 2015 06: 08
    Memoirs are generally controversial in nature, a person by nature tries to hide where he managed to hide, and where he managed to embellish on the contrary. Personally, I read or watch the historians and publicists I tested ... something like that.
    1. +98
      April 29 2015 06: 57
      “So there are serials like Fighters, the main intrigue of which is who will get under the pilot's skirt: a“ bad ”political officer or a“ good ”son of a repressed pre-revolutionary aristocrat with a volume of Goethe in German under his arm performed by actor Dyuzhev? those who served tell others who have not fought that war is very interesting and erotic. Even, they say, there is time for a Russian soldier to read Goethe. Frankly, I am turned back by such films. They are immoral and deceitful. " It's amazing how accurate it is. Literally exactly what I feel myself. Oles Buzina - Human. But in this era there seems to be no place for people of such morality and soul. Now is the era of mediocrity and small individuals. They are in power and they destroy People with a capital letter if they interfere with their petty life !!!
      1. +9
        April 29 2015 08: 02
        How I agree with you my young friend !!!!
        1. +68
          April 29 2015 11: 43
          hi
          starting with the rank-and-file soldier and to the company commander, the Russians were equal to us - courageous, resourceful, gifted disguise. They fiercely resisted and were always ready to sacrifice their lives ...

          And I never had any questions due to which and to whom we defeated the fascist-German invaders and defeated their allies from among the current Geyrop.
          An example has always been, is and will be before my eyes - my grandfathers - from among the very Siberians (from Khanty-Mansiysk) whom the true Aryans who they defeated so much refer to.
          So one of them - Nikolay KAYDALOV, a hunter-trapper, was already drafted on the 10 of July of the 41 of the year, and in the month of November (!), In the battles for Moscow, for the captured German lieutenant, received his first order of the Red Banner.
          Starting a war, an ordinary grandfather ended the war as a captain, retraining from a professional hunter as a paratrooper saboteur.
          On his combat account -109 killed Germans, he himself was wounded 7 times, received 8 awards: the Order of the Red Banner, 2 Orders of the Red Star, 2 Orders of the Patriotic War of the 1st and 2nd degree, medals "3a Defense of Moscow", " For the capture of Danzig, "3a victory over Germany."
          So where to that boasted Skorzeny before him! BUT?

          THANK THE GRANFATHER FOR THE VICTORY!!!

          And in the photo, the grandmother on the left in the second row at the nursing courses ...
          1. +12
            April 29 2015 22: 05
            Honor and glory to your grandfather. Thank you for your comment. But you are mistaken: the medal "For the capture of Danzig" did not exist. There were: for Koenigsberg, Vienna, Prague, Berlin. Check on occasion.
            1. +8
              April 29 2015 22: 19
              hi
              You are right - the medal “For the capture of Koenigsberg” ...
          2. +3
            1 May 2015 14: 02
            Quote: Apologet.Ru
            Apologet.Ru


            Something, with age I become sentimental

            It’s breathtaking when I read about people like your grandfather

            Thanks for the story about him.

            So where to that boasted Skorzeny before him! BUT?


            That's for sure!


          3. +4
            1 May 2015 16: 19
            Bow and thanks to your grandfather and grandmother, Apologist!
          4. +7
            1 May 2015 21: 31
            And my grandfather went from Moscow to Prague (through Berlin) as a tank driver. Simple country boy. There was one in the family. And he returned. In December 1946 (after the hostilities in Western Ukraine). So, in the battle near Prokhorovka, he is a T-34 driver-mechanic, he was the oldest in the crew - as much as 21 years. The commander - junior lieutenant is only 19 years old. The entire crew, except for the old man, burned down that day (the grandfather, though shell-shocked, got out through his hatch) and lay in a wheat field, and the bullets cut off the spikelets above him. And then, he was almost buried alive by the funeral team. Just a muscle on his face twitched, and he was dragged away from the mass grave. And then restrictions on health (after six months of hospitals) and chauffeur. On the Podvig Naroda website, I found his award list for taking out a wounded comrade and bringing his ZiS to the front line with shells after the Ju-88 raid. Therefore, "Pearl Harbor" and "Saving Private Rhine" are just Hollywood fairy tales for me (well done by the way) but nothing more. I was always proud of my grandfather, but he did not even live to see the 50th anniversary of the Victory ... THANK THE GRANFATHER FOR THE VICTORY !!!!!!!
            1. 0
              4 November 2018 17: 03
              The fact is that the whole point is that such fairy tales are now being fed to us and our children. And at the expense of the series, there are no censorship expressions. Apparently as in one quote "nothing personal - just business." And if there is an order, or even more so a government order ... Then if you please
          5. +2
            2 May 2015 00: 28
            And what kind of female dogs minus the article?
      2. +22
        April 29 2015 10: 55
        Teaser for the film "Panfilov's 28" from War Thunder:
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      4. +6
        1 May 2015 11: 37
        Quote: qwert
        But in this era there seems to be no place for people of such morality and soul. Now is the era of mediocrity and small personalities. They are in power and they destroy People with a capital letter, if they interfere with their petty life !!!

        You intercepted it! All under one comb. I don’t consider our Glavkoverkh mediocrity and petty personality, and 80% of Russians, too.
        1. -2
          1 February 2018 07: 35
          Name at least one leader after 17 who the majority of the population would not support, and after death (or resignation) would not have poured mud bucks. Think your current top commander is an exception? That's when it will be replaced - then talk about 80%
          1. 0
            1 February 2018 08: 46
            I did not write this ..
      5. -6
        1 May 2015 17: 51
        Well, yes, the best, the most truthful, etc. a film about military pilots is "Heavenly slug". No one there competes to "get under the skirt" - there the authors gave each of them a "skirt". And the Russian soldier has time to sweat and dance, and what incredible feats the heroes perform - Hollywood never dreamed of. And if Stalin's falcons are afraid of anyone, they are special officers with Smershevites, and not a tribunal, but simple military doctors.
        1. +2
          1 May 2015 20: 38
          The first meeting of Soviet pilots with their US counterparts in the skies over Korea on April 2, 1951 led to the expression "Black Thursday".
          And the "singing squadron" really existed in the 5th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment.
          1. +4
            1 May 2015 22: 39
            The first meeting of Soviet pilots with their staff colleagues

            Three times Hero of the Soviet Union I.N.Kozhedub counted two downed R-51 Mustangs, the pilots of which did not distinguish red stars from black crosses. And you are Korea ...
            1. +1
              1 May 2015 22: 51
              I know, but it was in Korea that the myth of invincible "flying fortresses" collapsed.
        2. +1
          1 May 2015 22: 00
          and what’s not a bad movie ... simple and interesting ... to Hollywood really never dreamed
      6. Mih
        +1
        2 May 2015 00: 09
        [quote] Oles Buzin - Humanity. [quote] Yes
        I was always very pleased to watch and listen to him.
      7. +2
        2 May 2015 03: 01
        What is the quote about? In fact, in this film, unlike the author of the article, I saw exactly the routine of combat everyday life of officers and soldiers, regardless of their gender (or, as it is now customary to say in EUROPE, gender). Minus to the author .. And at the front, as one of my grandfathers said, in fact, there was no time for "gender" showdowns (it concerns precisely those who were on the FRONT).
      8. 0
        17 December 2018 14: 11
        I agree with you 100%.
    2. Alexey K.
      +82
      April 29 2015 07: 12
      The reason for the defeat of the Wehrmacht alone is the RUSSIAN SOLDIER.

      Major General Hoffmann von Waldau, chief of staff of the Luftwaffe command 9 days after the start of the war, wrote in his diary: "The quality level of Soviet pilots is much higher than expected ... Fierce resistance, its mass character does not correspond to our initial assumptions." This was confirmed by the first air rams. Kershaw quotes the words of one Colonel of the Luftwaffe: "Soviet pilots are fatalists, they fight to the end without any hope of victory or even survival, driven either by their own fanaticism or fear of the commissars waiting for them on earth." It is worth noting that on the first day of the war with the Soviet Union, the Luftwaffe lost up to 300 aircraft. Never before had the German Air Force suffered such large, one-time losses.

      In Germany, the radio shouted that the shells of "German tanks not only set fire to, but also flashed Russian cars through and through." But the soldiers told each other about Russian tanks, which could not be pierced even by point blank shots - the shells ricocheted from the armor. Lieutenant Helmut Ritgen from the 6th Panzer Division admitted that in a clash with new and unknown Russian tanks: “... the very concept of tank warfare has changed, KV vehicles have marked a completely different level of armament, armor protection and weight of tanks. German tanks suddenly went into the category of exclusively anti-personnel weapons ... "Tanker of the 12th Panzer Division Hans Becker:" On the Eastern Front, I met people who can be called a special race. Already the first attack turned into a battle not for life, but for death. ”

      The anti-tank gunner recalls what an indelible impression on him and his comrades was made by the desperate resistance of the Russians in the first hours of the war: “During the attack, we stumbled upon a light Russian T-26 tank, we immediately clicked it directly from the 37-graph paper. When we began to approach, a Russian leaned out of the hatch of the tower to the waist and opened fire on us with a pistol. It soon became clear that he was without legs, they were torn off when the tank was hit. And despite this, he fired at us with a pistol! ”

      The author of the book “1941 through the Eyes of the Germans” quotes the words of an officer who served in a tank unit on the site of Army Group Center, who shared his opinion with a war correspondent, Curicio Malaparte: “He reasoned like a soldier, avoiding epithets and metaphors, limiting himself only to argumentation, directly related to the issues discussed. “We almost did not take prisoners, because the Russians always fought to the last soldier. They did not give up. They cannot be hardened with ours ... ”

      The following episodes made a depressing impression on the advancing troops: after a successful breakthrough of the frontier defense, the 3rd battalion of the 18th infantry regiment of Army Group Center, numbering 800 people, was fired upon by a unit of 5 soldiers. “I did not expect anything like this,” Major Neuhof admitted to his battalion doctor, the battalion commander. “It is sheer suicide to attack the forces of the battalion with five fighters.”

      In mid-November 1941, one infantry officer of the 7th Panzer Division, when his unit burst into Russian-defended positions in a village near the Lama River, described the resistance of the Red Army. “You just won’t believe this until you see it with your own eyes. The soldiers of the Red Army, even burning alive, continued to shoot from the blazing houses. "

      The proverb “Better three French campaigns than one Russian” was quickly adopted by German troops.

      Corporal Fritz Siegel wrote in his letter home on December 6: “My God, what did these Russians plan to do with us? It would be nice if up there at least they listened to us, otherwise we all will have to die here. ”
      1. +20
        April 29 2015 09: 19
        The reason for the defeat of the Wehrmacht alone is RUSSIAN SOLDIER

        wretched wording ....

        and women and children making shells in the rear?
        and women plowing on themselves?
        Well, why are the soldiers only Russian?
        and Ukrainian, and Belarusian, and Kazakh, Ossetians or Georgians !?
        that is why the Soviet soldier was the winner
        1. -5
          April 29 2015 11: 05
          the labor of children and women in providing is important, no doubt, but there were so many problems in industrial production that it was not a fact that it was worth starting.
          Many of them were attracted without any qualifications.
          starting from the mass of poor-quality and therefore useless ammunition and ending with the disgusting quality of production of tanks, aircraft, etc.
          for example, due to poor-quality painting, more than 60% of combat aircraft significantly lost flight speed, and there were also problems with the engines.
          1. +7
            April 29 2015 12: 19
            Quote: yehat
            the labor of children and women in providing is important, no doubt, but there were so many problems in industrial production that it was not a fact that it was worth starting.

            There were no options. And so, by the end of the war, the mob potential of the USSR was selected almost to the bottom. Divisions of 5000 people (with a staff of 12000) did not appear from a good life. Already in 1944, the Red Army could rely almost only on the call of the next ages - and according to it, for example, in 1945, more than half of the conscripts received a diagnosis of "dystrophy" (in the memoirs on the Manchurian operation, "feeding" of fresh replenishment - "chicken necks" you can wrap, etc. ").
            But the mob potential (more precisely, reserve and reservists) are the same workers and collective farmers who had to be exchanged for women and adolescents. If we leave male specialists of military age in industry, we will get a "hole" at the front.
            Quote: yehat
            for example, due to poor-quality painting, more than 60% of combat aircraft significantly lost flight speed, and there were also problems with the engines.

            With engines, the problems were not only factory, but also constructive / technological. The same pre-war B-2 assembled by specialists was inferior in terms of motor resources and reliability of the B-2 of the 1944 release.
          2. +14
            April 29 2015 17: 22
            There were no options - either in sufficient quantities, often low-quality weapons and ammunition, made by the hands of low-skilled and malnourished women and adolescents, whose husbands and fathers fought at the front, or the Red Army would have been left without enough weapons and ammunition. What would you choose? For your information, during the war years, even in the well-fed and prosperous USA, far from all fronts, some of the purely male (in the pre-war) professions became mostly female. Even in America, which, it would seem, should not have experienced problems with mobilization human resources, women massively stood at machine tools in factories, drove trucks, became factory test aircraft, etc.
            And all the German memoirs about that great war can be described in one phrase: "If it were not for the Russians, we would have them ... In general, we would have won, but the Russians (read Soviet!) Are to blame." And also General Moroz, bad roads, deranged Hitler (underline the necessary).
            I have the honor.
            1. +2
              April 29 2015 18: 18
              Quote: Alexander72
              There were no options - either in sufficient quantities, often low-quality weapons and ammunition, made by the hands of low-skilled and malnourished women and adolescents, whose husbands and fathers fought at the front, or the Red Army would have been left without enough weapons and ammunition.

              Or in sufficient quantities of medium-quality weapons and ammunition (alas, with the qualifications and experience in the factories everything was not very good - the pre-war experience of a sharp increase in production in the aviation industry showed what industry would expect when mobilizing) - but then the Red Army was left without a relatively technically competent ordinary and sergeant staff.
              Given the average level of education of recruits and the wild shortage of technicians (technicians, signalmen, repairmen, etc.) - this is similar for the Red Army.
              1. +7
                April 30 2015 13: 20
                Well, from here come the best PPS-43 assault rifles in the world, which were made by women and children in besieged Leningrad, the best T-34 tanks in the world, which were produced by the Stalingrad Tractor Plant, when the battles were at factory passes, the best IL-2 attack aircraft in the world, which were assembled in workshops in which there was no roof yet, and the machines were placed almost on bare ground, RGD-5 grenades, which could be made at any cannery (hence the specific shape of the building) or a rural repair shop ...
                Here's how, tell me, how in monstrous and inhuman conditions, hungry and deadly tired women and children managed to do the best weapon in the worldso that our grandfathers and great-grandfathers drove the fascist reptile into the grave?
                And technology ... Yes, it is important. Many people with golden hands and golden hearts perished at the front ...
                1. +6
                  April 30 2015 18: 24
                  No machines were placed on the bare ground. The foundations and infrastructure of the workshops were built in advance in the 30s by the "stupid" Bolsheviks who "missed" the war.
                  And also the "evil" Beria took all the strategic resources, supplies and materials beyond the Urals before the war. How.

                  It is impossible to make a fuse for a grenade at a cannery. As well as ammonal as an explosive grenade. And tin cases are not a problem at all for a small tool workshop.

                  The revolution and Gradana war forged a new people - the Soviet people. Which in inhuman conditions survived and won. This is beyond the reach of capitalist society.
                  1. -2
                    1 May 2015 09: 29
                    There is a known case when the foundations for machines were flooded with metal, because working with concrete took time.
                  2. 0
                    1 May 2015 13: 21
                    Quote: cast iron
                    This is beyond the reach of capitalist society.

                    We continue your thought. Capitalism is built in Russia ...
                  3. +1
                    1 May 2015 23: 21
                    It may of course have been prepared workshops and foundations for production, especially if it was planned to expand before the war, but the vast majority of the evacuated plants were unloaded at best under some sort of roof, or even just in the field. There are thousands of examples!
                    1. +1
                      2 May 2015 18: 20
                      Don't tell fairy tales. For the main military factories in the 30s, "stupid Bolsheviks" built a duplicate infrastructure closer to the Urals and beyond. It is a fact. The fact that school teachers on the history of the female sex do not understand this is especially characteristic of women.

                      No walls or roofs were built. Foundations, water pipes, conduits and other infrastructure to the factory sites were flooded. It was on such bare concrete platforms without walls and roofs that the equipment was installed.
                2. 0
                  1 May 2015 22: 51
                  My parents greeted the war as 12-year-old schoolchildren, and at the end of it they both had medals "For Valiant Labor in the Great Patriotic War." Such was the school at that time ...
              2. +1
                1 May 2015 09: 26
                The Wehrmacht also had high hopes for a high quality weapon and equipment. But history has its own view of things.
            2. +6
              April 29 2015 20: 38
              Quote: Alexander72
              And also General Frost, bad roads, insane Hitler (underline as necessary).

              You forgot about the terrible Russian field mice, specially trained by the NKVD instructors to recognize and nibble exclusively German telephone lines.
              1. +10
                April 30 2015 04: 09
                Well, if I start boringly to list what, in the opinion of the beaten German generals, prevented them from defeating the Soviet Union, then the comment will be the size of the article itself. And in short: "a bad dancer ... they are hindered", so the Nazis - their victories, these are only their achievements, and everyone and everyone is to blame for the defeat, except for themselves.
                I have the honor.
                1. +4
                  April 30 2015 22: 52
                  Quote: Alexander72
                  And in short: "a bad dancer is ... hindered"

                  I absolutely agree, colleague, just this nonsense about voles is especially amusing. But some people are seriously repeating this nonsense.

                  Happy holiday of the Great Victory!
              2. 0
                1 May 2015 22: 56
                "The Soviet" raspberry "said to the enemy: no!"
            3. 0
              1 May 2015 16: 57
              When the Germans stood near Moscow, it wasn’t frost, not bad roads, not a brave Soviet soldier who could already help! Only one God could help here!
              1. 0
                1 May 2015 22: 22
                Quote: azkolt
                only one god could help!

                It is authentically known that in the 41st Moscow with the Vladimir Icon of the Mother of God flew around. Secretly, of course. By the will of Stalin.
                1. +1
                  2 May 2015 03: 27
                  After coordination with the Lord Himself !!!! Grabbing the icon of the Kazan Mother of God ..
              2. +2
                2 May 2015 03: 25
                Your God is an EGOIST and a misanthrope. According to all versions of the various Gospels and others like them - how many times did God try to destroy humanity? But this time it was not possible .. And whom did he save? What are the losses of humanity in 2 world wars, not counting the past ?? Are the people themselves to blame ?? And on which X is your God needed then ??? Destroy people ?? And then who will worship him? pray??
              3. 0
                2 May 2015 18: 24
                When the Germans stood near Moscow, they were forced to go over to the defensive along the entire front, because not a fig of the divine Soviet soldier with his life and self-sacrifice exhausted the best army in the world. And then the "stupid Bolsheviks" brought in reserves, including the Siberian and Far Eastern ones, and drove the scum back.
                If God exists, then he is a sadist.
        2. +1
          April 29 2015 11: 58
          Well then, a Soviet soldier
          1. +18
            April 29 2015 15: 33
            Quote: Archon
            Well then, a Soviet soldier

            Well then, I’ll even say so, not a soldier, but the People -The Soviet people, under the leadership of the Party, Government and personally I.V. Stalin

            no kidding

            this is the only true formulation of the one who won.
            all errors, all defeats, all losses, all Victories and gains were only due to the form above.
        3. +13
          April 30 2015 14: 08
          and why are the soldiers only Russian?
          and Ukrainian, and Belarusian, and Kazakh, Ossetians or Georgians !?
          that is why the Soviet soldier was the winner
          - stas57 (1)


          And all these soldiers: "Ukrainian, Belarusian, Kazakh, Ossetian or Georgian", other nations were Russian soldiers !!! All of them are RUSSIAN !!!

          We are all Russian for Germans, Americans and other residents of other countries.
          As for us:
          - Prussians, Bavarians, Westals, Saxons, Austrians, etc. - Germans;
          - Gascons, Normans, Bretons, Burgundians, etc. - French;
          - British, Scots, Irish, Welsh, Wales - English,
          - Etc.
          We are all living in Russia, the USSR - Russian.
          Remember the famous words of Generalissimo of Victory I.V. Stalin: "I am Russian of Georgian origin."
          And even earlier on the same topic are the words of Tsar Alexander II. Do you remember?

          We have one common Russian World, thanks to it we are strong and live.
          Enemies want to divide us into Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Tatars, Buryats, and others, and we will oppose each one individually to the Russians and each other in order to rule over us and destroy us all.
          1. -1
            April 30 2015 17: 17
            vladimirZ You see what’s the matter, there are nations, nationalities, and nationalities that are very worried about self-identity, and they really do not like it if they are called Russian, when they are not.
            and who they consider there abroad, it makes no difference at all, but yes, I accepted the argument
            1. 0
              5 November 2018 09: 07
              But there is a Russian people who do not want to be neither Soviet nor racian. Moreover, he is in the vast majority. Although it is fashionable today to abolish gender and orientation, I think this will affect the Russian people. All the same, liberalism must be pulled in this matter, especially in matters of state preservation. Really komunyaksky experiment did not teach us anything.
        4. +1
          April 30 2015 18: 19
          The most accurate formulation: There is only one reason for the defeat of the Wehrmacht - this is the Soviet people.
        5. +1
          1 May 2015 09: 22
          Before a common misfortune, we did not think about terms like
          Quote: Stas57
          wretched wording ....
          , it is now, the perverts are trying to separate the story, "we read here, they wrapped fish here." Doesn't it look like anything?
        6. +3
          1 May 2015 09: 23
          Sorry brother "Russian soldier" This is a concept. They are all our Protectors.
        7. +2
          1 May 2015 12: 47
          You are right to mention the rear. During WWII - the ratio was, minimum, 4: 1.
          Four people in the rear provided one fighter!
          This is often forgotten by the cheers. In the modern army, this gap is widening at times.
        8. zelda
          +1
          1 May 2015 18: 00
          RUSSIAN Germans (or rather, European) called ALL our soldiers. From Jews to Chukchi. This is how the phrase "RUSSIAN SOLDIER" should be understood
        9. +2
          2 May 2015 03: 16
          In this case, for "enlightened and educated" Europe, everyone who lives in the "Russian Empire" is RUSSIAN!
      2. +1
        2 May 2015 03: 13
        Otto von Bismarck long before the adventures of Napoleon and Hitler warned the Europeans: Never, never, never, never fight with the Russians .. (Quote not complete).
      3. -1
        5 November 2018 08: 26
        If the RUSSIAN SOLDIER fought once and again, then in July the German would have drunk coffee in the Kremlin! Stalin, the Soviet people and the ideology of the Communist Party of Bolsheviks won! It’s immediately clear that you are Vanyuch.y Vlasovets !!!
        1. 0
          5 November 2018 09: 20
          Under the Tsars, the odorous liberalist NEVER went to the Volga, and when Stalin remembered this, introduced the royal epaulettes, revived the memory of our Russian heroes, the German horde rolled back to itself in Berlin. And at the banquet on the occasion of Victory, he raised a toast to the Russian people, and the decisive role of the Russian soldier was confirmed by the Marshals of Victory, for example Baghramyan.
          So oblivion of Russian Glory and traditions is fraught and very dangerous. Even in peacetime, today is proof of that. There has never been so much theft and swagger in the Russian people. In rasiyanskom- possible.
    3. +4
      April 29 2015 11: 04
      .... "Nowhere do they lie like in hunting and in war", - said Prince Bismarck, who went to see the bear with Alexander II, and understood something about the "affairs of Mars" .... To be precise, any memoirs are always subjective because they are written by a person refracting events through his personal prism and naturally in this situation it is extremely difficult to be objective, if you want to do this you need to have courage (whether you are at least three times a gentleman of something) This is usually traced in German memoirs Generals, anything: weather, clothing, super tanks, conspiracies in the rear, betrayal at the front, but not the courage and fortitude of the enemy. The most important mistake is not recognized - the assessment of the Soviet people as an insignificant and weak enemy. Underestimated, the "Nordic," "Aryan" type collided with the mysterious properties of the Russian peoples. The Western progmatic mind cannot understand this. Fuses are lit.
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  2. +6
    April 29 2015 06: 26
    he was a good warrior, his special operations, especially the abduction of the Duce, shows us his talent. But we had no worse than the old days the father of our special forces, Eitigen and others who performed the duck operation and many others. Respecting the enemy, we should be proud of our heroes and glorify their exploits.
    1. avt
      +3
      April 29 2015 10: 15
      Quote: ovod84
      he was a good warrior, his special operations, especially the abduction of the Duce, shows us his talent.

      Actually, the operation to capture Mussolini was developed by Student, the creator of the German special forces - paratroopers, who were coolly prepared and showed themselves in real battles, by the way, Student was seriously injured somewhere in Holland from ... drunken SS officers who fired on the street, and Skorzeny really had the talent, the talent of a PR man, well, Student and his officers did not plan to photograph the scene of Mussolini's capture, but Skorzeny figured out and hired a cameraman for the "story" to capture the feat of the "super" saboteur.
  3. +15
    April 29 2015 06: 29
    If the Germans were worse than in the USSR, then why did they get into a fight?
    Yes, it's just their excuses for the defeat in the Second World War!
    1. +9
      April 29 2015 06: 42
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      If the Germans were worse than in the USSR, then why did they get into a fight?
      Yes, it's just their excuses for the defeat in the Second World War!

      In the memoirs, the dumb question MISCUSES rather slips WHY?!?!
      1. 0
        April 29 2015 10: 27
        Yes, there are different opinions there. Someone like Melentin, thought that it was necessary to immediately shove to Moscow, and not mess around near Kiev, someone blamed Hitler for everything, like Manstein. Galland generally believed that victory is possible only if you immediately declare the goal of a regime change, and not a war before surrender, as in previous companies. All this is an alternative story from speculation - if only, if only) it is easier to relate to this.
      2. +1
        April 29 2015 11: 44
        The answer to this question is given in the memoirs of Halder and Guderian. They talked about the sentiments prevailing in the upper echelons of government. For example, Guderian said that he was forced to underestimate in intelligence reports on the number of tanks in the USSR, because no one even believed in understated ones. Euphoria reigned there after the French company, a number of disturbing facts did not bother Hitler and his entourage, and none of the generals dared to argue - Guderian directly says that there was not a single normal guy in the General Staff to fully and openly voice pessimistic fears. In addition, problems accumulated from different sides - the Armed Forces Committee did it, Goering did it, the Abwehr did it, the Japanese did it, the Americans turned out to be more aggressive than expected, the Czechs did it in Czech-38, the Czech tanks were badly affected by frost, Milch got it. Hitler screwed up too. His biggest mistake - he was too carried away by populism and in time did not transfer the economy to mobilization / military tracks. The Spaniards did not give access to Gibraltar, because there was a setup from the Germans during the civil. So they spilled a lot of potential.
        1. 0
          11 May 2015 17: 23
          for yehat:
          "a number of disturbing facts did not bother Hitler and his entourage, but contradict
          none of the generals hesitated - Guderian directly says that
          there was not a single normal peasant in the General Staff to completely
          and openly voice pessimistic concerns "////

          This is a very typical situation in modes based on sole
          decisions, moods and "visions" of the leader of the nation.
          Despite the obvious absurdity of the Barbarossa plan - entering the AA line "Arkhangelsk-Astrakhan" in a short time, which was even theoretically impossible
          (this exceeds the tank’s engine life), generals and staff officers dutifully calculated with compasses the thousands of kilometers of the obviously doomed campaign.
    2. +4
      April 29 2015 12: 53
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      If the Germans were worse than in the USSR, then why did they get into a fight?

      And they had a zugzwang.
      See for yourself: after the defeat of France, it was necessary to squeeze Britain. But for this we need a landing on the Islands - otherwise they are not going to give up lime. To land on the Islands, you need a fleet, air supremacy and a strong rear. But the fleet is being built for a long time, and for its construction it is necessary to partially demobilize the army - because by 1941 there was already a shortage of working hands in the Reich and starvation began.
      But while Britain has not surrendered, there is a threat that the cunning limes will again sign a "Russian steam roller" for themselves. Moreover, the very existence of this "steam roller" gives Britain hope to survive. And if the USSR fits in for the Britons, then the Wehrmacht remaining after the demobilization may not be enough to repel a hypothetical "Russian strike" - especially considering that, according to the Abwehr, the Red Army is strenuously rearming and increasing the number of formations.
      In addition, the landing is a dark and unexplored affair. laughing But ground operations worked out very well.
      So they made a decision: in order to deprive Britain of its last hopes and eliminate the potential "threat from the East", it is necessary to defeat the USSR. EMNIP, the naval forces were the first to submit such an idea (apparently, the corvette-captain Hans did not really want to go to the landing across the English Channel).
      1. +2
        April 29 2015 21: 39
        Napoleon had a similar story a century and a half before: either to land a landing on the islands to solve the "British question" (oh, I saw a tidbit), or to go to Russia (it is also not a fountain with a bear to arrange single combat). In the end, I decided that it would be easier to deal with Russia. It seems that Aloizievich considered it beneath his dignity to teach the history of some French people. So I got the same appendages.
        1. 0
          April 30 2015 18: 30
          Aloizych considered the Russians wild, uneducated subhuman. He wrote about this in his vile book back in 1925. Well, he paid those views.
      2. +1
        1 May 2015 16: 27
        Such views take place. In 1812, Napoleon considered the English Channel irresistible, and attacked Russia, a potential ally of Britain. In 1941, perhaps guided by the same assumptions, Hitler attacked us. In both cases, they made the same mistake. Yes, the strait is protection, the mountains are protection, it is perceived as something natural. But distance is also protection. Actually, I'm not sure that Germany attacked the USSR because of England. England was locked on its island, and was not a threat. For her, the strait is not only protection, but also an obstacle, no worse than for the Germans. Most likely, Hitler considered England already won back, and hastened to the east, until the USSR had completed the rearmament of its army. Hitler did not start the war with the British in North Africa, and not Churchill, but Mussolini, and only the disasters of the Italians forced the Germans to resume the war with the British.
  4. +3
    April 29 2015 06: 44
    Quote: Hagakure
    Memoirs are generally controversial in nature, a person by nature tries to hide where he managed to hide, and where he managed to embellish on the contrary

    I agree, but if you read between the lines, you can understand the real state of affairs by reservations and description of the environment, rather than embellished by the author.
  5. +2
    April 29 2015 07: 36
    Another "if only, yes, maybe, yes, if only" ... We got it on the cabbage soup now whines like a beaten dog in his memoirs. Europe in the East is not waiting for "if only, but maybe, but if", but only one DEATH.
  6. +6
    April 29 2015 08: 10
    The author stated that many have long spoken in the language. Why do we need to expose all Anglo-Saxon, Polish and German falsifiers of history when we ourselves falsify it daily. And we do this in order to vulgarly chop dough, making money on the blood of our ancestors. This is disgusting. With one hand we honor the memory, put up monuments and arrange parades, and with the other we vulgarize everything. And where, finally, is our notorious commission on countering the distortions of history?
    1. +3
      April 29 2015 21: 46
      Quote: XYZ
      And where, finally, is our notorious commission on countering the distortions of history?

      It seems that she carefully monitors that no one counteracts these very distortions. Otherwise, all this is simply impossible to understand.
  7. +14
    April 29 2015 08: 23
    First, modern war films are mostly destructive and discredit the Red Army.
    Second, the Russians ultimately always won.
    Third - Yes, we knew defeat, but the enemy's victories in the future were reduced to defeat. "See the map of the USSR"
    Fourth - Yes, we lost in the Cold War, but not the Russian army, but corrupt politicians.
    Do not make generals laugh and other garbage of this kind. Everyone had the same conditions.

    Oleg Buzina was a real person, I would say Man with a capital letter.
  8. +2
    April 29 2015 08: 24
    In Russia, the careers of the best generals, military tactics and strategists of the West were ending. After catastrophic defeats, it remains only to write memoirs. Although in many ways the author of the memoir is right
  9. -9
    April 29 2015 08: 25
    In protracted wars, not those with braver soldiers or commanders more talented win, but those with more resources, material, territorial, human and financial. (Prof. Burovsky)
    1. +5
      April 29 2015 08: 52
      Quote: Junior Chef
      In protracted wars, not those with braver soldiers or commanders more talented win, but those with more resources, material, territorial, human and financial. (Prof. Burovsky)

      In order to turn the blitzkrieg into a protracted war, you cannot do without courage, talent, dedication and fighting spirit. Yes, and a protracted war without quality indicators (courage, fighting spirit) can not do. What are a large number of tanks worth if their crews do not want to fight.
      1. +1
        April 29 2015 17: 08
        Beautiful words, spirit and everything else. If there is no supply on one spirit you will not stretch.

        But the motivation of the fight is important. For what? For the truth or for the lie? For the homeland, or for personal enrichment?

        Well, that's the way. Do not take personally.
    2. +4
      April 29 2015 10: 08
      Quote: Junior Cook
      In protracted wars, not those with braver soldiers or commanders more talented win, but those with more resources, material, territorial, human and financial. (Prof. Burovsky)

      Germany was the # 2 industrial power in the world, even before the war, before the conquest of almost all of continental Europe, the USSR only caught up with the top five industrial countries of the world. The population of the Reich before the war - 90 million people, + German allies - Finland, Hungary, Romania, Italy, Croatia, Slovakia, SS rabble from all over Europe and collaborators. The population of the USSR before the war was 190 million people, including many politically unreliable regions, such as the Baltic states or the West. Ukraine. So who had the advantage in resources in that war?
    3. +6
      April 29 2015 10: 34
      All of Europe fought against us, and the total resource, both human and material, was not in our favor. So do not belittle the feat of the people.
      1. +4
        April 29 2015 21: 49
        Quote: lwxx
        All of Europe fought against us,

        Plus half of the rest of the world (it is well known how "allies" fought on two fronts).
    4. +5
      April 29 2015 12: 30
      Quote: Junior Cook
      In protracted wars, not those with braver soldiers or commanders more talented win, but those with more resources, material, territorial, human and financial. (Prof. Burovsky)

      Tell the commanders of the Armed Forces of Ukraine about this, dill has a numerical advantage over militia in terms of technology and manpower - so where is it?
      1. erg
        0
        April 29 2015 17: 50
        All the same, the younger chef is partially right. The advantage is always on the side where there are more human and material resources, because these are primarily reserves. But, there are two clarifications - opponents should be equal (otherwise the Chinese version of the opium wars - resources to a fig, but you can’t fight swords against rifles and guns), and most importantly, reserves (and indeed cash) must be properly managed. For example, you can plan an operation illiterate, send a unit to carry out a task. Due to illiteracy, the command will die, well, it’s not a problem to send new ones, there are reserves. In this situation, no resources will be enough. And if they fight competently, then they completed the task - they send the battered (but not destroyed) unit to rest. Instead, a fresh unit. I think that on the part of the Armed Forces command, the first option is present. Overlooked over the years of independence competently lead the troops. Probably there was no time, it was necessary to steal what was left of the Union.
    5. 0
      April 30 2015 00: 51
      Quote: Junior Cook
      In protracted wars, not those with braver soldiers or commanders more talented win, but those with more resources, material, territorial, human and financial. (Prof. Burovsky)

      Kortes had 600 people and supplies that he brought on the ships (very few for the war) from the Aztecs an army of up to 100000 and an unlimited amount of continent resources, for Kortes this war was protracted (if about firearms, then the army of Ivan III faced with firearms, behaved much worse than the Aztecs, smallpox mowed and the detachment of Cortez and his allies ...
  10. +4
    April 29 2015 08: 33
    Fascists like bad dancers - the eggs interfere. Eagles marched all over Europe, Eagles! And here in Russia it is necessary, they began to kill them, and who is Rusivan! The bastards managed a bit, and whoever survived is looking for an excuse, frost, betrayal of the generals, intelligence did not inform! There is only one reason - THE RUSSIAN SOLDIER PROTECTED THE MOTHERLAND !!! ETERNAL MEMORY OF HEROES !!!
    1. +3
      April 29 2015 21: 53
      Quote: Volgarr
      The bastards managed a bit, and whoever survived is looking for an excuse, frost, betrayal of the generals, intelligence did not inform!

      And note, even this is not their fault. As if they had brought the generals from Mars, they specially ordered frosts in the celestial office, and he threw scouts to Beria. All theirs, dear. Probably, when the whole corrupt Europe was conquered, and the generals were talented, and scouts were soulful, and the weather did not interfere.
  11. +2
    April 29 2015 08: 35
    Why isn't Skorzeny's memoirs published in full? The assessment is more than objective, but for the Wehrmacht it is simply pejorative: we did not know, we were not told ... Germany had a lot of miscalculations at the level of intelligence, logistics, and did not have effective classes of weapons (anti-tank defense, ground attack aircraft). The coordination of the combat arms and balanced armored divisions - the main tool of the blitzkrieg - was definitely a strong point. As soon as the Red Army approached in terms of the level of control and coherence of the combat arms, the Wehrmacht "fell down" and could no longer oppose anything.
    1. +4
      April 29 2015 21: 58
      Quote: Aleksey18
      Why are Skorzeny’s memoirs not fully printed with us? The assessment is more than objective, but for the Wehrmacht it is simply derogatory: we did not know, we were not told ... Germany had a lot of miscalculations at the level of intelligence, logistics, did not have effective weapon classes (anti-aircraft missions, attack aircraft).

      Because then the entire machine of lies and perversion, which has been adjusted for decades, will collapse overnight. One colleague recently argued to me (quote): "Yes, if the war starts again, they will scrape up to the Urals again, and then fill up with corpses." And here Skorzeny is like a bone in his throat: it's hard to reproach him for his sympathies for communism. I can only imagine what unpleasant moments for the Wehrmacht could have been in those discarded pages.
      1. +1
        April 30 2015 18: 33
        If the war starts again, then in the current capitalist conditions few people shouting "For Abramovich" will fall with a grenade under the tank.
        1. +3
          April 30 2015 22: 57
          Quote: cast iron
          few people shouting "For Abramovich" will fall with a grenade under the tank.

          Have fun ... I would like to introduce, but failed. Looks like a little fantasy.
          1. 0
            2 May 2015 18: 17
            You can also imagine as a soldier shouting "for Yakunin's fur store!" plants from LNG-9 into the Abramsu board. ))))
  12. +8
    April 29 2015 08: 35
    Thanks to Oles Buzina - a real MAN and a patriot !!!
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  14. +1
    April 29 2015 08: 51
    Quote: ovod84
    Eitigen

    Eitingon
  15. +4
    April 29 2015 09: 22
    Bad dancer eggs interfere.
    That's the same for the German generals. Forever someone interfered.
    That courage and self-sacrifice of the Soviet people, then the bad roads, then the climate.
    Either Soviet technology, then internal enemies.
    That is, when planning "Barbarossa" none of this was taken into account.
    They thought that it would be enough to kick "a collos on feet of clay" with a shod boot.
    It did not work out. It turned out to be a "collos" giant knight.
    Honor and glory to the Soviet People-Winner !!!
  16. +5
    April 29 2015 09: 52
    In the first two years, the German generals were good teachers for us, oh, they killed the bloodlines, but they learned to win, they learned !! But they are no longer the glory of our army, our soldiers, officers, generals, admirals, sailors, women and everyone in the rear worked for days ... let someone think that is pathetic, but it is ...
    You know, my grandmother turned 11 on April 92 ... she was in perfect health and mind, during the war she worked for days in the rear ... naturally a million sores, but I don’t know, she never complained about anything and the last three years she had one dream and desire, to live to the 70th anniversary of the victory ... she even tried to hand me a good cognac to buy a glass of wine from her pension))) with Victory ... sorry if a little off topic
    1. +1
      April 29 2015 18: 00
      A big human THANKS to your GRANDMOTHER and to all VETERANS! HAPPY GREAT VICTORY! OUR VICTORY!
  17. +3
    April 29 2015 10: 14
    I think it’s always useful to look at us with different eyes
  18. Rif
    +1
    April 29 2015 10: 29
    I don't know about the memoirs, but the film "Stalingrad.1993." the Germans shot quite realistic.
  19. 0
    April 29 2015 10: 34
    Abwehr did not report anything important
    Given the fact that Canaris worked for the British - this is understandable.
    1. 0
      April 29 2015 11: 14
      In this regard, a logical question arises - when Canaris began to work for the British ?. There is a very interesting fact in his biography. I bring the information in haste (I don’t remember the details, but it’s easy to find them), namely in the 1st World Canaris was an officer of one of the German raiders, who the British, in my opinion, grabbed off the coast of Chile or Peru. The team was interned, but the young and energetic Canaris fled and covered a huge distance with virtually no documents (or if someone did, the question is who?) Returned to Germany. Naturally was seen in zeal. So was it not then that he was recruited and perhaps the help of the British just allowed to make such a daring escape.
  20. +3
    April 29 2015 10: 54
    Peace be upon Buzine. and won only thanks to the sacrifice and heroism of the Soviet soldier
  21. 0
    April 29 2015 11: 29
    Skorzeny is right that Hitler essentially had two armies - the Wehrmacht and the SS. With their own hierarchies, headquarters, traditions and foundations. Stalin had one monolithic army. This certainly played a huge role in the course of the war. The idea of ​​the German army as an ideal machine is naive and does not correspond to reality. There were almost more problems with the organization than in the SA. It was not by chance that Guderian called the military structures of Germany "a heap of headquarters."
  22. +6
    April 29 2015 11: 37
    Regarding the German memoirs, I.Koshkin and VIF2-NE went quite well at the time.
    1) Hitler disturbed us. Hitler was. The German soldier was rulez. The German commander was like Great Frederick, but without vicious inclinations.
    2) Russians overwhelmed us with meat. The Russians had a lot of meat. The Russian soldier is a child of nature, he eats what he cannot run away from him, sleeps standing up, like a horse, and knows how to leak. The author has repeatedly witnessed how entire Russian tank armies were leaking through the front line, and nothing betrayed their presence - it would seem that yesterday, the usual artillery preparation, bombing, the Russian offensive, and suddenly once !!! - in the rear is already the Russian tank army.
    3) SS sometimes a little over the top. That is, if everything were limited to the usual robberies, executions, violence and destruction, which the German soldier sometimes practiced from an excess of valiant power, many more people would accept the new order with pleasure.
    4) The Russians had a T-34 tank. It was not fair. We did not have such a tank.
    5) The Russians had a lot of anti-tank guns. Each soldier had an anti-tank gun - he hid with her in the pits, in the hollows of trees, in the grass, under the roots of trees.
    6) The Russians had many Mongols and Turkmen. Mongols and Turkmen, backed up by the commissioners is a terrible thing.
    7) The Russians had commissars. Commissars is a terrible thing. By definition. Most of the commissioners were Jews. Even the Jews. We have not destroyed our Jews in a businesslike way. Himmler was.
    8) The Russians used a dishonest method - they pretended to give up, and then - RRA! and shot the German soldier in the back. Once, a Russian tank corps, pretended to surrender, shot a whole heavy tank battalion in the back.
    9) The Russians killed German soldiers. In general, it was a terrible zapadlo, because honestly, it was the German soldiers who were supposed to kill the Russians! Russians are all without exception.
    10) Allies betrayed us. In a sense, the Americans and the British.
    1. +1
      April 29 2015 12: 21
      Almost all items are the same as now on the Ruin.
      Quote: Alexey RA
      2) Russians overwhelmed us with meat. The Russians had a lot of meat. The Russian soldier is a child of nature, he eats what he cannot run away from him, sleeps standing up, like a horse, and knows how to leak. The author has repeatedly witnessed how entire Russian tank armies were leaking through the front line, and nothing betrayed their presence - it would seem that yesterday, the usual artillery preparation, bombing, the Russian offensive, and suddenly once !!! - in the rear is already the Russian tank army.

      The Russians are seeping into Ukraine, but no one sees them. laughing
      Quote: Alexey RA
      6) The Russians had many Mongols and Turkmen. Mongols and Turkmen, backed up by the commissioners is a terrible thing.

      Buryat armored cavalry captivated the whole of New Russia. soldier
  23. 0
    April 29 2015 11: 38
    Blessed memory of Oleg Buzin! You read his note and see an individual non-trivial approach to the topic. Even so slippery. Especially before the Holiday. But, after all, the truth. Watching "The Fighters" is not sick of the fact that it was staged and filmed by profane people who did not see what they were talking about. But because the main emphasis is not on the feat or betrayal of individual representatives of the country, but on the protrusion that would make it possible to tarnish the history of the former state. Just as it was done in "Penal Battalion". No wonder, the main character, where does he live now? The same is done in all recent pseudo-retro films.
    Instead of lying on the screen, it’s better to publish transcripts of the processes of the 37th year. I read one of them. My father bought many, but survived alone. And to them, together, open access to the archives of that time. And people themselves, without Skorzenni’s memoirs, will understand all the intricacies of the great State. Compared with the current flickering of artisans from art and state building.
    Or weak?
    1. +4
      April 29 2015 22: 06
      Quote: loaln
      Blessed memory of Oleg Buzin! You read his note and see an individual non-trivial approach to the topic. Even so slippery.

      I already wrote that I intersected with Oles, as usual, a little argued. So, what struck me: the man was not shy (and not afraid) to express his thoughts, not at all worried whether they coincide with the official or generally accepted version. And he never bothered how he would look in the eyes of the environment. Maybe that's why he was quite a shocking figure. But his articles were always read with interest, they made me think, regardless of consent with the author or lack thereof.

      Peace be upon him, and may the murderers reward their merits.
  24. 0
    April 29 2015 11: 52
    An interesting article .... Pride takes over our grandfathers !!!
  25. 0
    April 29 2015 12: 16
    As for the cleanings - a moot point request At the beginning of the war, the then unknown Zhukov and Rokossovsky were repressed, they could well have been shot if not for the war. The aircraft designers Tupolev, Myasishchev, Polikarpov were repressed, the Katyusha designer was shot, which then made an indelible impression on the Germans in the Second World War, and in the 1950s in Vietnam.
    1. ivan.ru
      +1
      April 29 2015 13: 06
      and who and when repressed Zhukov, although it would have been necessary? at the beginning of the war he held the post of chief of the general staff of the red army, if anyone does not know. and Rokossovsky commanded 9 mechanized corps before the start of the war
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    3. +1
      April 29 2015 13: 52
      Excuse me, was Zhukov repressed? And didn’t anyone know about him at the beginning of the war? The chief of the General Staff was a man. But Rokossovsky yes, there was a thing.
      1. 0
        2 May 2015 21: 19
        In the criminal environment, he was called Vanya LOMOV, from the word scrap. Enjoyed unquestioned authority!
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    4. Elk
      Elk
      +1
      April 29 2015 14: 16
      The aircraft designers Tupolev, Myasishchev, Polikarpov were repressed, the Katyusha designer was shot, which then made an indelible impression on the Germans in the Second World War, and in the 1950s in Vietnam.

      Everything was far from as simple as you think.
    5. chakryzhnik
      +3
      April 29 2015 15: 04
      Quote: 0255
      the Katyusha designer was shot

      But it is possible in more detail - when is it and where is Ivan Isidorovich Guy shot? What are you talking nonsense.
      Rokossovsky was one of the participants in the anti-Soviet conspiracy of Tukhachevsky - he repented, was released at the request of Zhukov, as he really was a talented commander.
      Tupolev was not repressed - he was convicted of squandering public funds given to him for the purchase of Douglas drawings, a huge sum for those times.
      I don’t know about the others, but I suppose that they are not “white and fluffy” either, otherwise they would have been freed by Beria when correcting the “excesses” of Yagoda and Yezhov, and not sent to “sharashka”
      1. +3
        April 29 2015 22: 10
        Quote: chakryzhnik
        But it is possible in more detail - when is it and where is Ivan Isidorovich Guy shot? What are you talking nonsense.

        Obviously, this meant Langemark and Kleimenov, who had a very mediocre relationship to the direct work on the Katyusha.
      2. Elk
        Elk
        +3
        April 30 2015 06: 26
        But it is possible in more detail - when is it and where is Ivan Isidorovich Guy shot? What are you talking nonsense.

        Langemak, one of the creators of the rocket, was shot. There, the story is extremely dark and, frankly, filthy. Comrade designers licked each other with terrible force. It’s all civilized now, he hired a killer and that’s all, and then they had fun with denunciations. And Guy designed launchers.
        Korolev was imprisoned for not using funds for the intended purpose. He was given a specific task - to create an air-launched projectile. The glider was created quickly enough, the jet engine too. The catch was the guidance system. At that time it was an unsolvable task. As an engineer, Korolev realized this quickly enough, and redirected funds to research and design of rocket engines. Thanks to his character, he made many enemies for himself and as soon as the opportunity turned up, they wrote to him where they should. There, the not too technically competent investigators did not understand much - the funds were allocated? Highlighted. As a result, what should be? A jet projectile in the form of an automatic interceptor of Project 217 and a long-range one - 211. Where are they? And they are not, there are only projects. And where is the money, the enemy? Yes, there is also the "colleagues" hurry up, having written a detailed "explanatory note" about "sabotage activities." That's how it was.
    6. +1
      April 29 2015 19: 49
      Repressed, it is not shot. Then justified and restored.
      There is a separate psychological and psychophysical aspect of how Stalin and the government managed to create the unity of the state and people.

      Note. The purges in 1937, and on June 22 the soldier did not run from the battlefield.

      Why? Well, why do I need a homeland if it kills me and my loved ones.

      Does not fit. So with the purges, they wrapped something in history.
    7. +3
      April 29 2015 22: 08
      Quote: 0255
      At the beginning of the war Zhukov, then unknown to anyone, was repressed

      My dear, have you ever read what you wrote? Or just overlooked by inattention?
  26. +7
    April 29 2015 13: 11
    "Kreakly" can, at least completely go to guano and bile ("went to the toilet - and all went out"), but in the Great Patriotic War System won.

    Headed by Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin.

    The system is extremely rigid, if not cruel, but in another way we would most likely not have won this War.

    In principle, our Soldier did not have a special choice "to die - not to die": to die unambiguously.

    The choice was only HOW to die: as a traitor and a coward, who left the position without an order, or - as a hero who died in these same positions.

    Read the manuscript of an eyewitness: A.I. Shumilin (1921-1983), "Roly Company". From August 1941 to April 1944, commander of a rifle company. The manuscript - without "literary processing", not finished. That's why, apparently, and "sneaks up to ...", like old black-and-white documentary photographs.

    And, so and yes ... Those who say that they "showered with corpses" are not right. If the System were really "oak" - no "throwing corpses" over the Country - would not have saved.

    And, so: and the "commissars" were canceled, so that the commanders "did not get confused under their feet," and even the shoulder straps were restored.

    In a word - the system turned out to be suitable: the rationing system was canceled before Europe, and the atomic bomb was made. In the complete absence of external assistance. (Ay, "kreakly", who complains about the fact that we were "blocked off" investments?) And, even - they were the first to step into space - all on the same impulse, from the System, which the "broad Ukrainian" and the court Stalinist clown Nikita began to break up. Vindictive, bitch, turned out to be. Not worse than EBN, which is also "for the offense", then - did not regret the whole country.
  27. +1
    April 29 2015 15: 00
    Skorzeny was a balobol))))))))) operation with Mussolini, without any resistance from the guard that 40% of the German troops died, Horthy, so he planned something there and took him out without Skorzeny’s participation
    1. +1
      April 29 2015 17: 12
      Read - Publishing house of political literature, Moscow, 1964
      The author of the book, German journalist Julius Mader, exposes the criminal past and present of the international gangster, former SS officer Otto Skorzeny, his connection with US intelligence and the FRG.
      The release of Mussolini - http://betyp.ru/static/osvobozhdenie_mussolini.html
  28. 0
    April 29 2015 16: 11
    Yes! Skorzeny said a lot of interesting things !!!! I think that in today's war no one will drag out !!!! But again everything will fall on the shoulders of a simple soldier .....
  29. +1
    April 29 2015 18: 58
    I would like to say a serious thing. Will it succeed? :)

    The concept of homeland, not an abstract meaning. It is quite material and tangible. Although the school also taught the pathology of printing, the word was mentioned everywhere. But for me, it really came to 25 years.
    Homeland, this is your family. This is the land you walk on. These are the open spaces of your country where you met many friends. These are strangers who lend a hand to you because you are yours.

    This is a beautiful girl who always greeted you in the entrance and over the years of her life remained in your memory. This is the Kazakh girl whom he met at the training camp in the Carpathians.
    This is a friend who left half a can of canned food. So it is possible to infinity.

    Even cosmopolitans have their own homeland. Maybe small but it should be too.

    And about Olesya Elderberry.

    He fought for the truth. And that means for their homeland.

    There is a lot of evil in the world. This evil is international. It would seem that two vile people would not be able to reunite. But reality says yes, they can. Evil is organized and it destroys good, destroys states, changes the truth, kills everyone’s small homeland.

    For there to be one big Motherland, it is necessary that everyone share his small one. Need a leader, need a country. The state needs care about the person.
    If this happens, then there will be a Soviet Soldier. Which will be given the strength not to retreat, not to scare, not to shame.

    Perhaps a lot of pathetic. Well, as without her. It’s like talking with stamps. And where to look for other words.
  30. 0
    April 29 2015 18: 59
    if someone is interested in the topic of German memoirs, in my opinion, only Mellentin gave a relatively fair assessment of the Red Army and its actions. The rest is Carius Rudel Guderian, etc., etc. Well, hunting stories are chesslov !!! Want the truth? -Site I remember at your service. there and with Deutsch there is an interview, read !!!
  31. Denis Skiff M2.0
    0
    April 30 2015 18: 11
    not the topic, but.
    CyberBerkut announced SBU involvement in the murder of Elderberry
    no one doubted.
  32. 0
    1 May 2015 09: 11
    "... belching in front of the TV with a bottle of beer ..." - not very respectful to his reader, but respectful about Skorzeny: the ultimate truth.
  33. 0
    1 May 2015 09: 50
    Igor Talkov:
    "... Leafing through the old notebook of the executed general
    I tried in vain to understand how you could give yourself
    To be torn apart by vandals ... "
  34. 0
    1 May 2015 10: 09
    Quote: yehat
    the labor of children and women in providing is important, no doubt, but there were so many problems in industrial production that it was not a fact that it was worth starting.
    Many of them were attracted without any qualifications.
    starting from the mass of poor-quality and therefore useless ammunition and ending with the disgusting quality of production of tanks, aircraft, etc.
    for example, due to poor-quality painting, more than 60% of combat aircraft significantly lost flight speed, and there were also problems with the engines.

    What kind of nonsense? Of course, incidents happened, but basically they did not fail. And who should have done this when there are almost no men? In vain you are so ....
  35. 0
    1 May 2015 10: 34
    When the Mongols, upon entering Russia, said US DARK, the Russian warriors answered.
  36. +2
    1 May 2015 11: 45
    Quote: cast iron
    The most accurate formulation: There is only one reason for the defeat of the Wehrmacht - this is the Soviet people.


    I’ll clarify. Under the leadership of Stalin. The people always and everywhere need an organizer. Otherwise, this is a herd.
    From a speech by W. Churchill in the House of Lords on December 21, 1959, on the occasion of the 80 anniversary of the birth of I.V. Stalin:

    “It was a great happiness for Russia that during the years of difficult trials Russia was led by the genius and unshakable commander IV Stalin. He was an outstanding personality, impressed by the cruel times of the period in which his whole life passed. ... history, people do not forget such people. "
  37. +3
    1 May 2015 12: 04
    For a long time, the memoirs of losers have been amusing, and the weather, oil and shoes - everything hindered them. And did it help ours? This is hanging on the ears of Europeans, has been hung and will be hung with one meaning - Russia is a dense country and very big for "civilized conquest"
  38. +2
    1 May 2015 12: 36
    Quote from odessy
    memoirs of losers have been amusing for a long time. And the weather and oil and shoes - everything interfered with them.

    This is all because the beaten man doesn’t have any way. So they are trying to blame their loss in the war on force majeure circumstances. Here one thing must be understood - the memoirists of any armies of the world are wandering. But the most brave ones are those who lost the war. The winner simply does not make sense to cheat brazenly - he is already the winner, and the result of his work is evident.
    But how can the vanquished speak the truth? How, without losing honor and respect, even admitting to himself that he was more cowardly, more afraid of pain, could not keep blows? And if he also attacked the winner, then how to explain the stupidity of his attack on the stronger? Your mental underdevelopment? No, the bulk of the people are not like that, and she will use any lie to prove her mind, her courage, and, most importantly, her innocence in a lost case.
    After all, look how stupidly all the German memoirists of the Second World War explain their defeats on the Soviet-German front in 1941:
    “A) there were few of us, but many Russians;
    b) in Russia, in addition to Crimea, frosts were -50 °, in Crimea frosts were -40 °. ”
    And the overwhelming majority of historians take this at face value, and it’s rare for anyone even among domestic historians to ask a natural question: “If you were few and many of us, then what the hell did you get on us yourself? Do you have arithmetic problems?
  39. +6
    1 May 2015 13: 33
    Since 1941, my father stood at the machine, making shells for the front for 12 hours. And he was 13 years old. He considered the VICTORY DAY to be the holiest holiday.
  40. 0
    1 May 2015 13: 46
    The first and only reason for the defeat of fascist Germany in the war was the Soviet People!
  41. +2
    1 May 2015 13: 54
    I know only one thing, you cannot revise the results of the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945. As soon as we accept the position of Western Europe and the United States that World War II was unleashed by Hitler in response to Stalin's aggression, or vice versa, as soon as we humbly agree that the Russian people were just one of the "peoples who fought against fascism", and not the victorious people who broke the back of the fascist bastard at the cost of incredible efforts and sacrifices, as soon as we feel sorry for the Germans, and we will accept the interpretation that the German soldiers "were driven to the eastern front, did not want to fight there at all, were not poisoned by Goebbels' propaganda, but were simple workers "(these are, probably," ordinary workers "hanged people in the occupied territory, shot at children from small girls like hares, set up death camps and drove women and old people into slavery, established a" new order "and received land from Gauleiters), then it really will be necessary to go into the forests and underground.
    When in 1825 there was an attempted coup d'état, later called by historians the "Decembrist uprising", the Patriotic War of 1812 ended quite recently by historical standards. Many Decembrists then fought with the French themselves, but none of them trusted the people and did not fight for their liberation from "serfdom". All they wanted was to establish a "liberal" system according to the Western European model, and then curtail the Russian statehood as unnecessary. This is what they expected, and when they did not wait, they set out. It was they who "woke up Herzen" and a whole freak show of the leaders of the Russian Empire's disintegration, the last of which was also called with the letter "G."
  42. -1
    1 May 2015 15: 04
    Or good or nothing ...
    Unfortunately, nothing is better about this article. Illogical, inconsistent, not convincing ...
  43. 0
    1 May 2015 15: 30
    Quote: loaln
    I read one of them.

    and what's there? what conclusion did you draw? tell me briefly, really interesting
  44. 0
    1 May 2015 17: 11
    brave warriors .......... the higher our pride! WE ARE STRONGER BY THE SPIRIT! WHERE TO THERE GEYROPAMS!
  45. +2
    1 May 2015 20: 19
    I do not believe that Skorzeny was able to solve, to figure out Canaris. An intelligence chief such as Abwehr is worthless if any Sturmbannführer can understand him. If Canarisa was afraid of Himmler himself, then this says a lot. German intelligence in WWII worked very well, especially at first. This can partially explain the rapid advance of the Nazis towards Moscow. But the Red Army learned to fight faster, significantly faster than German troops. Worthless memoirs of convinced fascists!
    1. 0
      4 May 2015 22: 55
      where does intelligence and rapid progress to Moscow
  46. +1
    1 May 2015 21: 29
    Quote: cast iron
    No machines were placed on bare ground.

    oh? straight completely lowering the lathe to put on a wooden shield? or four pieces of rail?
  47. 0
    3 May 2015 13: 14
    Quote: Aqela
    RGD-5 grenades, which could be made at any cannery (hence the specific shape of the case)

    Apparently, this refers to the RG-42 grenade. For the rest, I completely agree with the comment!
  48. 0
    4 May 2015 22: 51
    Yes, they were unprepared for war from the very beginning, their outcome was a foregone conclusion
  49. 0
    8 November 2018 13: 41
    Yugoslavia was offended for nothing. She essentially did not surrender to the Germans despite the occupation. Partisan there the whole war before our arrival. And well partisans for which the Europeans remembered the Yugoslav resistance. We remembered and did not fail to revenge at the end of the 20th century with all our NATO-strength.
    So in vain they shoved Yugoslavia here.
  50. 0
    11 November 2018 19: 45
    IM all that the author said teznat inappropriately. And we ..... Our fallen are with us, they will not leave us.
  51. 0
    21 December 2018 09: 11
    Bright memory!

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