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French, Japanese, and Russian Daggers

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Dagger with agate handle framed with silver. Length (total) 35 cm. Made in France around 1650 g.













Tanto (samurai dagger). Edo period (XVII-XIX centuries). The length (of the cutting blade) 27,4 cm.






A wavy jamon is clearly visible on the blade - a natural pattern on the Japanese blade, which manifests itself at the junction of steels with different carbon contents: steel with a higher carbon content (hard but relatively brittle) was used for the cutting edge, and soft but plastic).

















A small knife for utilitarian purposes paired with the tanto - kogatana. Fuji is depicted on the Kodzuk (grip).




French, Japanese, and Russian Daggers


Caucasian large dagger, decorated with silver and ivory handle. Length (total) 61 cm. Made probably in Dagestan around 1899.

















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  1. Semenov
    Semenov April 26 2015 07: 15
    +9
    Beautiful, printed information is not enough.
    1. vodolaz
      vodolaz April 26 2015 08: 06
      +4
      Always loved edged weapons, because such daggers are not even weapons, but a work of art.
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 April 26 2015 19: 48
        0
        Nanjing, China, January, 1938, in the photo a Chinese soldier is beheaded by a sword in the Nanjing massacre ...
  2. Grigorievich
    Grigorievich April 26 2015 07: 18
    +5
    Handsome !!! That's just the top, God forbid, drop it.
    Still!
  3. Wanderer 2008
    Wanderer 2008 April 26 2015 07: 44
    +13
    What enormous work creates such beauty is simply incomprehensible to the mind! He was with the Great Master of Dagestan Haji Kurbankadiev, watched how a work of art is born from under his hands. The work of a blacksmith can be watched endlessly, like a game of flame, running water. I listened to his stories about the history of the ancient art of weapons Masters from the mountain villages of Amuzgi, Kubachi. The magnificent Caucasian daggers, swords, sabers, knives impress with their incomparable beauty, sophistication and excellent quality.
  4. Pal2004
    Pal2004 April 26 2015 07: 44
    +2
    I agree, the text is not enough ... There are questions. I was very surprised by the insert knife on the Dagestan dagger, why is it?
    1. bistrov.
      bistrov. April 26 2015 08: 06
      -5
      Quote: Pal2004
      I was very surprised by the insert knife on the Dagestan dagger, why is it?

      Well, in all likelihood, for opening the carotid arteries, or for another simply cutting the throat, which, as you know, is a favorite method of killing in the Caucasus.
      1. Pal2004
        Pal2004 April 26 2015 08: 08
        0
        I doubt it.
        1. bistrov.
          bistrov. April 26 2015 20: 56
          0
          Quote: Pal2004
          I doubt it.

          Maybe you think bread is cut, or meat? No, dear, it’s for cutting the neck of the neck. The other simply can’t be near the murder weapon, which has deadly energy.
          1. Viktorych
            Viktorych April 27 2015 15: 00
            0
            You are mistaken. This is a dagger knife, had a purely household purpose.
      2. FM-78
        FM-78 April 27 2015 00: 01
        0
        I did not understand why they put the cons - from non-literacy?
        1. Vasek
          Vasek April 27 2015 20: 52
          +1
          Quote: FM-78
          from not literacy?

          "illiteracy" hi
    2. Archon
      Archon April 26 2015 10: 37
      +5
      the insert knife may turn out to be a chair or a small knife for domestic use. in Nepalese kukri, for example, there are two such knives, one of which is used as a chair and as musat for straightening the blade, and the second is a household knife.
      1. Archon
        Archon April 26 2015 10: 42
        +2
        in general, either a musat chair or a mini-knife for domestic purposes, when the length of the dagger is clearly excessive.
    3. SPLV
      SPLV April 26 2015 22: 45
      +3
      That is, a clogan paired with a tanto is normal, but a couple with a Dagestan knife surprised ... Is it either an inattention to the article or do you think that in the Caucasus they cut everything with sabers at the table?
  5. Major_Vortex
    Major_Vortex April 26 2015 07: 53
    +3
    The last dagger is really cool. He and the Japanese should cut well. Such a dagger is called Kama.
    1. FM-78
      FM-78 April 27 2015 00: 07
      +2
      Before the arrival of Europeans, Japanese swords and / or knives were of obscene quality, did you know about this?
  6. Lord of Wrath
    Lord of Wrath April 26 2015 08: 06
    +1
    Pay attention to the tanto handle. Completely long-lived braid for everyday use, unlike short-lived braid with silk braid
  7. Astrey
    Astrey April 26 2015 08: 19
    +4
    Thank you, dear fimusito. Your materials are always impressive. A real outlet from the current hopelessness.
  8. padonok.71
    padonok.71 April 26 2015 08: 41
    +4
    Is Tanto a dagger? I would say a knife?
    The little "symbiotes" of the Japs and the kaukauzets are table knives, cut a kebab, and then cut a toothpick, open a bottle of kingzmarauly. For the Japs, respectively - cut the fugue, then cut open your veins when it turns out that you have digested.
    Think so.
    1. Kombrig
      Kombrig April 26 2015 09: 45
      0
      It also seems to me that the tanto should not be classified as a dagger, for the additional small knives I completely agree with padonok.71, well, maybe you went too far with the veins)))
      1. padonok.71
        padonok.71 April 26 2015 10: 03
        +1
        Well, maybe he overdid it, but better from blood loss than from a "fuzhin" yayadu. Moreover, it reduces the arms and legs - you can't really make a sepuku, you can't write a hoku.))) Yapas are generally such suicides. Famous. But I respect - they are very stubborn.
        1. Kir
          Kir April 26 2015 22: 29
          0
          Well, let’s put curare poison (muscle relaxants) used in medicine, and then only cooks with a certain license are allowed to cook Fugu fish, plus how much you hear all the relish from eating the meat, this fish is experiencing a slight euphoria, what .......
      2. Aljavad
        Aljavad April 26 2015 13: 42
        +1
        It also seems to me that the tanto should not be considered a dagger,


        The argument is useless. Both are short bladed weapons. Combat knife.
        The same as with the katana: "samurai sword or saber?"

        And kukri - a knife or a dagger? or machete? belay
        Is the dagger a short sword? Or is a sword a long dagger? belay
        1. Kir
          Kir April 26 2015 22: 36
          0
          Well, actually the boundaries between the dagger and the sword are determined by the length of the blade, if I remember correctly everything that is up to 450mm is still a dagger, and which is higher, respectively. Regarding other points, there is so much controversy here, or rather, in the specifics of gradations that there is something, it’s enough to look at some daggers with a clear one-sided sharpening, or there’s the same argument that there is a katana.
          As a conclusion, it’s probably worth dividing the blades according to purpose and length (although here it’s also more than 100% dependent on the destination), at least it’s more clear.
        2. Vasek
          Vasek April 27 2015 20: 57
          0
          Quote: Aljavad
          The argument is useless. Both are short bladed weapons. Combat knife.

          The dagger is a double-edged "combat knife".
          So, the Japanese in this company - indeed, nepriyashtrynderukav.
          Though handsome, scoundrel!
  9. Free wind
    Free wind April 26 2015 09: 06
    +1
    Hello everyone. Many thanks to the author for the photos.
  10. Orang
    Orang April 26 2015 09: 37
    +1
    French is a deadly sting for gallant murder. Kama is a real military weapon, the gladius recalled.
    1. padonok.71
      padonok.71 April 26 2015 10: 07
      +1
      And what did Kama gladius remind you of? I’m just wondering why such an assassination is without mockery.
      1. Orang
        Orang April 26 2015 11: 27
        +1
        Outwardly very similar. The scope is similar, a landfill on foot.
        1. padonok.71
          padonok.71 April 26 2015 13: 36
          +1
          Maybe you still confuse with the Caucasians, he is somehow more like a gladius. And as for the foot dump, this is not about the Romans, they just did not have dumps (or rather, there were not many, but they ended sadly). And for the landfills, their pugio had it, but the gladius is still a sword.
          1. Orang
            Orang April 26 2015 17: 53
            +1
            Quote: padonok.71
            And about the landfill, it's not about the Romans

            Like this? All the tactics of Ancient Rome are based on close combat with masses of heavy infantry. No sensible cavalry. they had no archers. Long copies in service too.
            Threw darts and cut forward. Under such tactics and weapons. Short piercing sword, a good shield defense with armor.
            1. padonok.71
              padonok.71 April 27 2015 12: 57
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              Quote: Orang
              Threw darts and cut forward.
              I see your knowledge of combat combat is insufficient, urgently study it! If this is how "and forward to cut", then the Romans would not have owned half of the ecumene.
              1. Orang
                Orang April 28 2015 07: 42
                0
                I’ve been studying since childhood. They were strong precisely in melee. In the ranks or without, no matter The mass of the taking of fortresses and cities. What happened on the streets of Jerusalem in 70 must be explained? How did the Romans defeat the Carthaginians at sea? Do you know the concept of boarding bridge? So study too.
                1. Kir
                  Kir April 28 2015 10: 24
                  0
                  Although a third-party in this inter-party, but I can’t keep silent at this particular moment:
                  1 Dear Orang, let's first decide what you mean by the term Roman
                  1- Free citizen of the Roman Empire, then yes agree
                  2- Latins as the foundation, this Empire, then
                  1- Look at the map of the Apennine peninsula in the initial period of formation, and you will see that the Latins are actually the population of the northern part, along the coast and south of the Greek settlements, I’m generally silent about Sicily
                  2- The Romans were good warriors and competent builders, although they could not have done without the influence of the Greeks and Etruscans (the latter contributed much more than that), but with regards to trade and the sea, forgive the Greeks at the height, so everything connected with the fleet is associated with the Greeks
                  3- Regarding the promised land, do you know that the very cruel division of the Roman army were daggers, and forgive me it was formed from the children of Israel, by the way, even if you read their history without bias, then the massacre among the Israelis between different, let's say, clans is historically known as and the transition to the side of the enemy: the pogroms in Kiev at the beginning of the last century, as one of the sources on Poland, you can read the book of the Polish Jew "The Pianist", then the so-called purges of 1937 in our country, when they laid each other, I am silent about Germany, not so long ago a book was published in the USA by two Historians, by the way, their nationalities, where it is clearly stated that at least 100 of theirs served on the side of the Hitler regime, and in the SS and other similar structures, but which is no less significant not only as a private and lower-level officers, about all sorts of neat and ideological, as well as nothing about sponsors at all, since there they often (not according to their passport, but in fact) were in the majority , and that now it is not clear who was an active participant and from which side in the events of 000. As a supplement, and how do you like the fact that many earlier there (Israel) were the settlements of the Greeks.
                  4- Etruscans, well, it’s probably enough to point out that these people inhabited the region of the Northern Mediterranean, and even reached Asia Minor, by the way, according to many studies, they were the founders of the Gladiatorial battles and much more

                  PS Of course, you can start listing sources and dates, but it’s clear that the basis of Roman culture and much more was not erected on a Latin basis, the only and perhaps the Indisputable Plus, is that the Romans were able to Build the State Building, on foreign roots, But it’s so right and systematically approaching that we now call it Rome .......
            2. Kombrig
              Kombrig April 27 2015 21: 09
              0
              Dear padonok. 71, probably meant that the Roman army was strong combat combat, and usually, when the Roman system was broken, the legionnaires were defeated. In addition, the Romans had shooters, and slingers, and light infantry and even cavalry (though not their own, but mostly hired ..) Respectfully ..
              1. padonok.71
                padonok.71 April 28 2015 16: 14
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                This is exactly what he meant. The entire range of weapons of the legionnaire is built around combat combat. In a one-on-one battle, let’s say against the same German, the legionnaire with his scutum, pilum, gladius was simply helpless. This hypothetical German would have won simply due to the length of his arms and mobility. So these are the two big differences: battle system-by-system or crowd-by-crowd. To a good, strong formation, the ratio is even 1: 3-4 nonsense, if against the crowd. This was proved by the Greeks, and the Swiss, and the Vikings, including and the Romans. Takshtaaaa .....
                1. Orang
                  Orang April 28 2015 19: 17
                  0
                  Quote: padonok.71
                  In a one-on-one battle, let’s say against the same German, the legionnaire with his scutum, pilum, gladius was simply helpless

                  Strong. Did the Romans also go with their forage, provisions, and intelligence?
                  Deviated from the topic of the article to distant distances.
                  1. padonok.71
                    padonok.71 April 29 2015 13: 15
                    +1
                    Yeah, you can't think of anything stronger, for fodder, provisions and reconnaissance, according to your deepest knowledge, only heavy legionnaires-citizens went? And nothing that: "Each legion was given auxiliary troops of almost the same size - this included numerous specialists - sappers, scouts, doctors, standard-bearers (the Roman army did not have banners in the modern sense of the word - they were replaced by legionary emblems in the form of eagles on a long shaft), secretaries, personnel of throwing guns and siege towers, various service units and subunits from non-citizens (Roman citizenship was granted to them upon dismissal) - light cavalry, light infantry, workers of weapons workshops. " Something like that. I say it again - learn the subject!
    2. Aljavad
      Aljavad April 26 2015 13: 45
      +3
      Kama is a real military weapon, the gladius recalled.


      Here ottudova feet grow! The Highlanders did not experiment with the form, concentrated on the quality of execution.
  11. Navy7981
    Navy7981 April 26 2015 10: 25
    +9
    Does the Caucasian dagger surprisingly resemble a Roman smooth or gladius?
  12. Egor65g
    Egor65g April 26 2015 10: 43
    +2
    Amazing stuff! Not a weapon, but a work of art. And how much work the craftsmen put into their products!
  13. kvs207
    kvs207 April 26 2015 10: 51
    +2
    Quote: Kombrig
    It also seems to me that the tanto should not be considered a dagger.

    Definitely. A characteristic feature of daggers is double-edged sharpening of the blade.
    By the way, I did not see the Russian dagger.
  14. padonok.71
    padonok.71 April 26 2015 11: 17
    +4
    Quote: kvs207
    Russian dagger
    And this is not, as it were. Tokma knife in the Slavs.
    According to "Russian daggers" - here.
    "The dagger was also an uncharacteristic weapon of pre-Mongol Russia. The dagger entered the equipment of the European, including the Russian knight, around the XNUMXth century, which does not exclude the existence of individual samples (for example, found in Novgorod) and at an earlier time. Daggers naturally spread only in an era of heavier weapons as a means of defeating an armored enemy in close combat.
    Russian daggers of the XNUMXth century are similar to Western European ones; they are elongated triangular in shape with a curved lamellar cross. The best is the dagger found in the burial from Toropovets. "
  15. den3080
    den3080 April 26 2015 11: 54
    0
    Why is the knife only among the Slavs? The Finns have very good knives, the common Russian name is "Finca", they throw themselves easily, clearly, powerfully, sometimes you can feel yourself as the Apache leader))) without special skills)))
    1. Aljavad
      Aljavad April 26 2015 13: 52
      +2
      Why is the knife only among the Slavs?


      And who does not have them?
      In the household. In need, in battle. This is the most evil and bloodthirsty then invented special forms of purely combat purpose. And to them the names. Finca was originally a hunting knife, i.e. - economic. But the battle turned out to be very useful.
    2. padonok.71
      padonok.71 April 26 2015 14: 01
      +1
      Zpt did not deliver. Not only the Slavs had a knife, but the Slavs had only a knife))) of course there were daggers, and stilettos but in very insignificant quantities, an example of this is the ratio in archaeological finds, here in Novgorod there are several hundred knives, two dagger, takshtaaaa ...
      A finca is not specifically a Finnish knife, but (initially, of course) a puuko knife, this is only later "Finnish" all that did not get called began. C.S. a girl worked with me alone, she was also called a Finn))) from Suomi she was)))
      And you won’t especially notice the puuko - the handle is massive, heavy, wooden - the balance is not vaguely, and you can split it (Here you can shred the barks on the fire or bunny, but in the cold, yes, yes! Here puuko is good.
      And all sorts of Vinitus, before the Geyropeytsy, generally cut with stone knives.
    3. Big Electric Cat
      Big Electric Cat April 26 2015 14: 37
      0
      They are good for everyone, they break only easily if they hit a difficult target. The word "finca" gained popularity after 39, knives of this class spread very much throughout the north of the USSR.
    4. Angro Magno
      Angro Magno April 26 2015 19: 31
      +1
      The Finnish knife is a fisherman’s knife, no more.
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  16. aleksandrs95
    aleksandrs95 April 26 2015 15: 18
    0
    everything is simple, with good knives it was clearly tight, and here the hilt and a decent blade. Here and the name.
  17. PCF
    PCF April 26 2015 15: 34
    +4
    "... wavy ham is a natural pattern on the Japanese blade, which appears at the junction of steels with different carbon content: steel with a higher carbon content (hard but relatively brittle) was used for the cutting edge, and a lower content for the main part (relatively soft but pliable). "
    the photos are wonderful, the text is scarce, but there are errors in it.
    author, smoke manuals on Japanese weapons and zone hardening.
    Jamon is a developed hardening line, not a combination of different steels
    1. Kir
      Kir April 26 2015 22: 42
      0
      And especially when you consider that in some samples the number of layers exceeded 100, I read somewhere that it was not uncommon for 500, so ..... And as described, it more closely resembles our traditional and Scandinavian three-layer blades.
  18. Cossack Ermak
    Cossack Ermak April 26 2015 16: 05
    +1
    and 61 cm is not much for a dagger? In my opinion this is a short sword. And indeed it looks like a gladius.
  19. Free wind
    Free wind April 26 2015 17: 01
    0
    The dagger for combat work, definitely Japanese, it seems to me that the Saxons looked something like that. The other two, just for a show-off, are certainly beautiful, but inapplicable, the blades and hilt are beautiful, but the hilt is uncomfortable, especially in a Caucasian, slippery infections. The Frenchman helps a little guard. Sachs: a long combat knife, a dagger, a small sword with one-sided sharpening.
    1. Major_Vortex
      Major_Vortex April 26 2015 18: 02
      +1
      Quote: Free Wind
      The dagger for combat work, definitely Japanese, it seems to me that the Saxons looked something like that. The other two, just for a show-off, are certainly beautiful, but inapplicable, the blades and hilt are beautiful, but the hilt is uncomfortable, especially in a Caucasian, slippery infections. The Frenchman helps a little guard. Sachs: a long combat knife, a dagger, a small sword with one-sided sharpening.


      In the Caucasus, weapons were better than in Europe. And the Japanese has one-sided sharpening, which is a drawback for a dagger. The best cold steel is from the Caucasus. Take the same Cossack saber - also from the Caucasus sculpted. In general, there are good books on this topic. This article does not give any idea about the weapon and its qualities, except for aesthetic.
  20. kavad
    kavad April 26 2015 18: 17
    +3
    A wavy jamon is clearly visible on the blade - a natural pattern on the Japanese blade, which manifests itself at the junction of steels with different carbon contents: steel with a higher carbon content (hard but relatively brittle) was used for the cutting edge, and soft but plastic).


    Really? Steel with different carbon content? And how were they cooked in such a wave? I recently forged a knife from a file to a friend (U13 steel), did zone hardening - there is jamon! And where is the file different carbon content ?? !!

    Such a wave is done simply - a smear is applied to the blade, at least in the form of the letter Zyu! During hardening, the part that cools more slowly in the coating is the whole secret. In the part that was coated, the hardness is less, without coating, it is more, and the hamon is a border.
    1. Egor65g
      Egor65g April 26 2015 20: 02
      +1
      Very cute knife, Respect hi
      1. kavad
        kavad April 26 2015 22: 41
        +1
        Thank you, contact if you need a knife!
        https://vk.com/album7811158_210912625
        https://vk.com/album7811158_162730836
        1. Kir
          Kir April 26 2015 22: 47
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          Kavad did not work with the new X12fn? just for the future I think to order from something similar.
          With regards to your och Patch liked the quality of the sheath and handle, as far as I understand the nut.
          1. kavad
            kavad April 26 2015 23: 21
            +1
            Nope, this is not a nut. This is a chocolate tree. And don't ask why - "Th"!
            Ordered on occasion on the site Shipyard on the table - two years ago. Now I don’t ... It's a pity! left on one knife. Derevyaga cool, firmer than walnut and more interesting. I made 2 cutting boards from it, but I also use it for distributing sushi / rolls. Who sees them for the first time - hold the jaw! By the way - most boards are darker, similar to Makassar, but the stripes are not so pronounced.
            And steel Kh12fn - the first time I hear! Maybe X12MF? If yes - then it worked, and an improved version of the Austrian - Bohler K340. According to the characteristics of the manufacturer, it is more wear-resistant as much as an order of magnitude. From personal experience - HZ! My knife is made of it, I use it actively for a year, I did not notice the difference, but I did not do any tests. Maybe if you arrange a spherical cutting of jute ropes in a vacuum (as usual do knife tests), then it may turn out that K340 cut more pieces than X12MF.
            One horseradish - the best and longest sharpening keeps the cutter. But in terms of a combination of qualities, powder stainless steel is more practical.
            1. Kir
              Kir April 27 2015 13: 02
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              X12fn, just for replacing X12fm, about the analogue, they always point to D2, but honestly I have not heard from the Austrian. In terms of quick cutting, well, for good it’s still hot in barium salts, and it’s obvious to look for where to do it, and by the way, the so-called diamond steel is better for sharpening. blades use.
              On the site the Shipyard on the table, so I signed there and saw what you can buy, that's just the chocolate tree is clearly a trade name and not a botanical name, since I myself saw the wood of Theobroma cacao, as they say there is nothing in common, but by the way it is on a normal human (I just found ) - Manikara fasciculata of the family Sapotovye, against the family of the Malvovs (Cocoa, Hibiscus, etc.) it is clear that the wood is better. For me, it’s better and more interesting for some Verbenovs, as well as Boxwood and a real Eben, there’s no need, well, except Mangrove.
              1. kavad
                kavad April 28 2015 11: 33
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                There is mangrove in pet stores - I’m just making a knife out of it with a blade from a knife of a planer. 8x6nft. After etching in nitrogen, it turns out gorgeous!
                Boxwood brought from Sochi. Ebony is on Zadi, Kneifwood - lunar and fiery, the same and boxwood, there is still grenadill. I liked him more! I’ll keep the bars for a rainy day!
                This is my pair - moon ebony and boxwood.
                1. Kir
                  Kir April 28 2015 15: 42
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                  As far as I know, there are restrictions on the procurement of boxwood, and if you take anything in the Caucasus, then this is probably dogwood. Then I didn’t understand what else ..... lunar Ebony, forgive me, only the ebony Persimmon wood, everything else (the same wood of different persimmons) is ebony.
                  On mangrove, it’s interesting in what form it is in pet stores, though I still have an interest in its planting material (seeds) - familiar botanists asked the hedgehog what to find, and they would germinate.
                  For etching, and for what kind of Azotka, then etching, according to the competent "Tsar's vodka", or copper sulfate, although for any one must first cover with a special varnish.
                  1. kavad
                    kavad April 28 2015 22: 00
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                    I don’t know about the restrictions with boxwood, I arrived at 33 waterfalls with a backpack and a saw. While everyone was blinking, I knocked down a few trees ...
                    "Ebony" is generally a commercial name, like "mahogany". My current guitar from Honduran mahogany, the previous one from African, built a cutaway model of a ship - sapele was widely used there. Which of these red trees is the reddest ?? !!
                    The most valuable of them is Honduran, no matter how ridiculous it may sound.
                    http://www.hamerguitars.com/?fa=detail&mid=392 Моя красотуля!

                    And about ebony - on the contrary, persimmon is included in ebony, I did not understand the meaning of the question. It's like asking - "why does the cichlid belong to the perches?"

                    Here is a quote from Wiki "Moon ebony is a wood of the Mabolo species (Diospyros blancoi A.DC.); an extremely rare variety of black ebony. Homeland - Philippines, now found only in the impenetrable forests of Myanmar. Moon ebony is the only variety among ebony trees with light shades of wood The texture of the wood is very beautiful. When cut, it is white with greenish streaks. After drying, the wood acquires a golden yellow color with black streaks, veins and stripes. Sometimes streaks and stripes can have other shades, for example, bluish, greenish, chocolate. ebony is prohibited for felling and export. Myanmar rarely sells quotas for small quantities. Trees allowed for felling are 400-450 to 1000 years old. This is because the sapwood of ebony trees sometimes makes up 70% of the total thickness of the tree and it is separated and thrown away immediately after cutting the tree, taking away only the hard core, which is located in the very center of the trunk. in ebony it turned out to be lunar, - is determined as the tree is cut down, since outwardly it is indistinguishable from other types of ebony trees. Eben grows very slowly - centuries pass until the tree grows to marketable size. Due to the extremely slow growth, ebony wood acquires a huge density - up to 1300 kg / m³. Moon ebony wood sinks in water, since its density is higher than that of water. It is very demanding on the drying conditions, after drying it loses a lot in volume. Contains a large amount of essential oils, therefore it is resistant to the effects of the external environment, to changes in humidity and temperature, does not decay, and is resistant to damage by insects, even termites. Lunar ebony is used to make the most expensive, rare, exclusive and beautiful billiard cues with high playing characteristics and hardness, but it is worth noting that not every master will undertake making a cue from lunar ebony, because the structure of the fibers and high hardness require a master of extensive experience in processing this very expensive wood and the availability of special tools with increased wear resistance, because moon ebony quickly and easily dulls almost any woodworking cutting tool. Moon ebony cues, especially solid ones, are piece goods and are very expensive. Also, furniture and interior items, decorative parquet, souvenirs, and inlays are made from moon ebony. A square meter of moon ebony parquet is sold per piece and costs an average of about $ 50 (000). "

                    In general, I repeat, I liked the grenadill, the African ebony!


                    About etching became copper sulfate ?????? Royal vodka ????? Yes, and with a special varnish ????? I'm wallowing! http://guns.allzip.org/topic/97/691475.html
                    http://guns.allzip.org/topic/97/234029.html
                    This is for a start. They poison 5-7% with nitrogen, ferric chloride, phosphoric and derivatives (cola, boiled sprite), vinegar, etc.
                    1. Kir
                      Kir April 28 2015 23: 50
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                      Etching is also known as Etching from the etching method, and it’s just Tsar’s vodka, so ...... and the varnish so as not to affect the rest is first varnished and then scratched, and then (see acid technology )
                      For the price, so on any first place, all the same Tic, though he has good properties, with regards to ebony, he is alone, and Vika is generally noticed for inaccuracies, then Diospyros is Persimmon, then the structure is not frizzy, plus weight, then a good cue typesetting, so ..... good bred.
                      In red, perhaps the most valuable is from the legume family, and by the way, the tool is planted, be healthy, especially the wood of crimson and purple tones, then an advertisement for the "right" tool is traced in the wiki, well, do not cut with wood graters, but cut on metal, and be happy.
                      1. kavad
                        kavad April 29 2015 13: 01
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                        The amaranth has a bright purple wood, and about etching - I did not mean the pattern, but the etching to create a protective layer so that the stainless steel does not rust / darken. It was necessary to clarify, otherwise the conversation between the deaf and dumb)).
                        If the pattern is etched, then of course with varnish! Although if the picture is small, I dispense with the usual nail polish, and I pickle with the electrochemical method of salt water and a half-ampere power supply.
                        About the first place of the tick - did not understand. If the first is the most expensive, then I will disappoint! 229r on the rear. A ebony 790r.
                        In general, the most expensive tree that I have seen is a snake tree. Cheaper Ironwood Arizona to 2000r, even cheaper - ebony, cocobolo, backout, makassar, grenadillo - these are up to a thousand.
                      2. Kir
                        Kir April 29 2015 16: 33
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                        In general, prices can be guided here too - KnifeWood.Ru, that's just a matter of choice for an expensive and exclusive tree, or for what is most suitable for making a handle, and for other "joinery and carpentry" cases, such as parquet, etc. , so the parquet is the best of Teak in many respects, if you make a miniature with a good elaboration, then the boxwood has no competitors, in other words, you need to first of all look at the area of ​​application, if you want to really exploit, and not like to show off and stare. Further, the material for cutting boards must be selected according to hygienic criteria, first of all, as a not entirely correct but still close example of making wooden spoons and dishes, so here, if you do not cover with a certain varnish (see khokhloma, etc.) the choice is with us only from Birch and Linden, and they are processed according to the mind by boiling in goat's milk. Next, I talked about dark purple wood.
                        For metal, the easiest way is to cut a few lemons.
            2. Kir
              Kir April 27 2015 13: 21
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              On Zlatoust, look [media = http: //klinok.zlatoff.ru/product_1025.html]
              although the same is temporarily absent
              1. kavad
                kavad April 27 2015 19: 10
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                In the Shipyard, it cost 370 roofing felts, 270 roofing felts for a half-meter board! Thickness 15mm, width like 120mm.
                In general, the prices on the website you specify are sky-high!
                I buy 2-3 times cheaper, at http://www.zadi.ru/, http://cutler.su/tree/ and http://www.knifewood.ru/.
                1. Kir
                  Kir April 27 2015 19: 35
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                  Well, there are a lot of misunderstandings on "Zlatoust", take at least steel grades, I was especially surprised by the "German steel" X55Cr .... well, neither of them is the marking, that before the cost of wood, this is generally a separate song and often depends on greed and the chain , the average wholesale, etc. I know it not by hearsay, be content to work with a person who bought all sorts of trifles from Africa and other exotic places, so the price for products from these regions for some items for a limited year, like 1 year, has grown as much as 3 times!
                  Thank you, I’ll lie on the indicated sites, though I think I will find sources from the places of growth themselves, since I don’t need much in volume and weight.
                  By the way, how about steels, to contribute to the prospect with the search for Diamonds, and the correct quick cut, and of course there is interest in hot steels resistant to water and highly diluted acids (we want to make secateurs and other garden "tools") I really don't like stainless steel for the inconvenience in sharpening ...
                  1. kavad
                    kavad April 28 2015 11: 44
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                    And this is an 8x6nft nitrogen field. As for the steels - I scrubbed the gopher myself, I found my grandfather a meter of narrow-gauge rail (on vacation I have rest!) And drank a couple of p6m5, but the saws were already gone. I order here mainly - http://cutler.su/steels/. At the request of the customer and order ready-made blades. Someone forges from large drills - there is also p6m5. I have not encountered a diamond.
                    A tree happens on forums like Hansa sites.
                  2. kavad
                    kavad April 28 2015 11: 49
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                    Mangrove in the longitudinal. In the cross, it is much darker. The problem is only to find a normal snag! They are usually clumsy.
                    1. Kir
                      Kir April 28 2015 16: 23
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                      Well, basically they use it on pipes, like heather, then I talked about wood that is different in color, then what is meant by mangroves, and Dragon Tree is not bad at all (I don’t remember Latin, but definitely from the Nettle family), its pluses are big trunk diameter, then over 100 years old can serve as a parquet! As far as I remember, it is not subject to decay and all kinds of bugs, with regards to the face and tangential, well, rightly they are darker at all, and they absorb more of the same oil.
                      In terms of speed, there was such a tricky quick cutter (from memory) R18K5F2, or R10K5F5, although these are not the very ones, but the latter is characterized by high hardness in the hot state and something else with normal hardness close to a diamond (65HRC), but at
                      1. kavad
                        kavad April 28 2015 18: 00
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                        HZ, according to the price list - mangrove, there is no Latin name.
                        And as for the quick cutter - more important is that - what can be found, and not what, but what can be licked! P18 found only wagons.
                        Personally, the powder stainless steel is my favorite. I have a knife from Elmax. The glass scratches slightly, the cutting edge holds well. Not as good as a mech saw blade, but neither rust nor fragile. - You can cut bones and not be afraid to drop!
        2. Egor65g
          Egor65g April 27 2015 17: 18
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          Thank you I'm already packed laughing
  21. den3080
    den3080 April 26 2015 22: 10
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    Quote: padonok.71
    Zpt did not deliver. Not only the Slavs had a knife, but the Slavs had only a knife))) of course there were daggers, and stilettos but in very insignificant quantities, an example of this is the ratio in archaeological finds, here in Novgorod there are several hundred knives, two dagger, takshtaaaa ...
    A finca is not specifically a Finnish knife, but (initially, of course) a puuko knife, this is only later "Finnish" all that did not get called began. C.S. a girl worked with me alone, she was also called a Finn))) from Suomi she was)))
    And you won’t especially notice the puuko - the handle is massive, heavy, wooden - the balance is not vaguely, and you can split it (Here you can shred the barks on the fire or bunny, but in the cold, yes, yes! Here puuko is good.
    And all sorts of Vinitus, before the Geyropeytsy, generally cut with stone knives.

    There is puukko, and there is veitsi))
    "Finks" they are different, the balance is different. I have about ten of all. Hunting, fishing, just cut the sausages, bread.
    Of course, not everyone will stick in a piece of wood for a couple of centimeters from almost any position, but there are some, I assure you)))
    1. padonok.71
      padonok.71 April 28 2015 18: 20
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      Yes, I actually do not question, is and is. Love knives "throwing" - please, it turns out - good !, good it turns out - very good! I'm only for it!
  22. psdf
    psdf April 27 2015 01: 45
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    In the photographs, the Caucasian dagger looks like a real weapon, unlike the crafts of those places in the 90s of the last century.
  23. Dimo No. 1
    Dimo No. 1 April 28 2015 16: 03
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    The chased handles look especially beautiful. In the Caucasus, they do beautiful things in general.
    1. padonok.71
      padonok.71 April 28 2015 18: 23
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      Things - yes. But actions and speech - no.