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US allies in the Middle East lose too much from agreement with Iran


The difficult situation in the Middle East described in the article “Unshakable determination to attack the rake” will be additionally affected by the preliminary agreement on the Iranian nuclear program concluded in Lausanne, Switzerland. Moreover, the situation can both improve and sharply worsen.

At the moment, not all the details of the preliminary agreements on Iran’s nuclear program are known. In addition, it is necessary to clearly understand that the final agreement has not yet been signed, this should happen only by the end of June, and before the appointed time many different events will happen that, quite possibly, will radically change the situation. Nevertheless, the main conclusions can be drawn now.

About heavy water and dry residue


The Joint Comprehensive Nuclear Program Action Plan, agreed at Lausanne, reaffirmed Iran’s right to operate in the nuclear field. The work will continue with nuclear centers in Isfahan and Natanz, an enterprise in Fordo, and a heavy water nuclear reactor in Arak. The plan guarantees Tehran the right to produce nuclear fuel on an industrial scale for further use at the country's nuclear power plants. The only uranium enrichment plant will remain the Natanz plant. It will store over 5000 centrifuges. At the same time, Tehran will commit itself to reduce its enriched uranium reserves by 98 percent in ten years. Uranium enrichment is limited to 3,76 percent, that is, for civilian purposes only. The Fordo plant will be used as a center for research in nuclear physics and technology. In Arak, the design of the heavy water reactor will be amended in accordance with modern advanced technologies so that it cannot produce weapons plutonium. From now on, the installation will be used only for peaceful scientific purposes, including for the production of radioisotopes. The remaining heavy water should be sold by Iran to the international market. New capacities for its operation in the country will not appear. Iran, as a gesture of goodwill, demonstrating the openness of its nuclear program, agreed to voluntarily and provisionally implement the Additional Protocol to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. The NPT prohibits Iran from creating nuclear weapons and provides for IAEA verification on Iranian territory. IAEA representatives will gain access to any nuclear facilities in Iran. Two-thirds of the 19 Iranian centrifuges are suspended for ten years. For 15 years, Tehran has refrained from building new enrichment facilities and heavy water reactors. IAEA inspections will continue for 25 years. Representatives of the Iranian delegation agreed to export most of the enriched uranium.

It is assumed that the sanctions against Iran will be terminated within a year after the signing of the final agreement, although it is possible that this will happen faster. According to representatives of Tehran, the sanctions imposed by the UN Security Council should be lifted immediately after signing. The process of lifting one-sided Western embargos will certainly be longer.

The United States regards what happened as its major diplomatic victory, as the American president stated. “Thanks to our diplomatic efforts, the world has become shoulder to shoulder with us and at the negotiating table we have been joined by the leading powers of the world: the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Russia and China, as well as the European Union,” Obama said, recognizing that “Iran performs all obligations. He destroyed his stockpiles of hazardous nuclear materials. Inspections of the Iranian program have become more frequent. And we continued negotiations to find out whether a more comprehensive deal could be achieved. ” The American president believes that Iran has agreed to an unprecedentedly tight inspection regime. “The deal is not based on trust,” Obama said. - It relies on unprecedented verification. If Iran starts to cheat, the world will know about it. If we notice something suspicious, we will inspect it. ”

All interested countries, including Iran’s obvious enemies (Turkey and the Arabian monarchies), officially welcomed the agreement, although many cautioned against excessive euphoria, noting that it was necessary to wait for the final document to be signed. The only exception was Israel. His government opposed the agreement, stating that it threatened the existence of the Jewish state, since it would not close Iran’s road to building a bomb, but would only ease the path to it.

Already, the parties interpret the future agreement in different ways, emphasizing those parties that are beneficial to them. The United States and other Western countries are focusing on a significant limitation of the enrichment capacity of Iran and on strengthening control over its nuclear sphere. Tehran draws attention to the fact that its right to the development of nuclear technologies is officially recognized, and all facilities will continue to function.

Tit in the hands and its beneficiaries


At the moment, it is difficult to determine who has won more and who has lost from the agreements (even if we forget that the final documents are not signed). The answer to this question depends on whether Iran was really going to create nuclear weapons. He himself categorically denies it, there is really no direct confirmation of the existence of such plans. Although Iran is actively developing ballistic missiles, not only tactical, but also OTR and MRBD. It is well known that the longer the missile’s range, the less sense it is to place a simple warhead on it. If OTR in the usual equipment is still advisable to create, then MRBD with such a warhead is nonsense, here you need a nuclear charge. In addition, Tehran’s geopolitical ambitions are very large, and at least nuclear weapons will not interfere with their implementation. In addition, it could serve as a strong deterrent against aggression by the United States and / or Israel, not to mention the Arabian monarchies. On the other hand, an attempt to create a nuclear weapon provokes aggression from all of Tehran’s listed enemies. That is the question is extremely ambiguous.

If Iran was not going to create a nuclear weapon, then it definitely benefits from the current agreements, it does not even require an explanation. If he intended, he would rather lose, because now the solution to the problem is at least postponed indefinitely, if not forever. True, Tehran gets a “bird in the hand” in the form of getting rid of sanctions, including in the sphere of military-technical cooperation. The acquisition of conventional modern weapons and military equipment can more than compensate for the absence of nuclear weapons, which, firstly, is extremely difficult to create - success is not guaranteed, and secondly, it is almost impossible to use in real combat operations.

For the United States, the signing of agreements will be primarily a propaganda-political achievement, very useful for Obama and his party in light of the upcoming election campaign. The practical result is the prevention of the Iranian nuclear threat, if one really existed. In addition, direct coordination between Washington and Tehran in the struggle against the caliphate becomes possible (they are now fighting against the common enemy separately, which does not contribute to efficiency). However, the situation in Yemen, where the United States and Iran, while not directly participating in the war, support the opposite sides of the conflict, is becoming an obstacle to this.

In addition, both for the United States and for the EU countries, in the event of a complete lifting of sanctions against Tehran, direct economic cooperation with Iran in various fields becomes possible.

For China, the possibilities of economic and military-technical cooperation are expanding, and besides, Iran can become the most important transit country in implementing the most significant project for the People's Republic of China of the New Silk Road. Therefore, for Beijing, the conclusion of an agreement will be an event that is unambiguously positive, although Iran’s nuclear program itself did not have any meaning for it.

Russia made a very significant contribution to the signing of preliminary agreements, which was noted even by officials in Washington, despite the extremely tense relations with Moscow. The settlement of the Iranian nuclear issue and the lifting of sanctions against Iran offer Russia great opportunities. Moscow and Tehran have plans for further cooperation in the Bushehr nuclear power plant, that is, the construction by Russia of its second and third blocks. The program up to 2025 of the year implies cooperation of the two countries in the Caspian Sea in fisheries, extensive cooperation in the space sector, agriculture and telecommunications, as well as in finance and engineering. In addition, Iran can become a country through which the North-South transport corridors will pass (Russia-Azerbaijan or Russia-Kazakhstan-Turkmenistan with access via Iran to the Persian Gulf).

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Undoubtedly, considerable attention will be paid to Russian-Iranian military-technical cooperation. Of course, in the event of a complete lifting of the sanctions, Tehran will be able to acquire weapons also in China and European countries. However, the Europeans will in any case experience US pressure (even after the formal normalization of relations, the Anglo-Saxons will not sell weapons to Iran), the Chinese technology cannot always arrange Tehran in terms of quality (although it will certainly be the cheapest). Therefore, it is almost certain that Russia will become the main (although not the only) supplier of military equipment for Iran. Apparently, first of all, one way or another, the issue with C-300 will be resolved, then Tehran will be able to purchase practically all classes of equipment from Russia. Although the Iranian Armed Forces are very numerous, they require a total rearmament, since almost all of the equipment they have is seriously outdated. Accordingly, prospects for potential arms sellers for Tehran are great. Not excluded the implementation of projects licensed production of Russian military equipment in Iran.

It is quite possible military cooperation between Moscow and Tehran to jointly fight against the Islamic caliphate, and in the long run against the Taliban in Afghanistan. Although it is difficult to imagine direct joint operations now, it is impossible to exclude such an option in the future, since the situation in the Middle East has an obvious tendency to aggravation. Conducting joint exercises of the Armed Forces of the two countries, as well as the exchange of information and experience in the fight against Sunni radicals, are real now.

The problem for Russia could be a serious drop in oil prices in the event of a complete lifting of sanctions against Iran and, accordingly, its full-fledged market entry. However, this question is extremely ambiguous. In fact, Iran, despite Western sanctions, never stopped exporting oil, almost all of it went to Asia. Although Iranian officials say they can double shipments compared to the current level, this is very doubtful both from a technical and logistic point of view. Moreover, Iran itself is not at all interested in a significant drop in oil prices. Moreover, the factor of the possible lifting of sanctions from Tehran is likely to be won back by the oil market even before this happens. Although it is impossible to make firm predictions here, a fall in prices in the event of Iran’s full-fledged access to the Western oil market is unlikely to exceed five dollars per barrel, which is unpleasant, but not fatal. Thus, for Russia, the settlement of the Iranian nuclear problem is definitely positive.

Caliphate Coalition

The regional opponents of Iran - Turkey and the Arabian monarchies led by the KSA are the losers in this situation. For these countries, Iran is a very strong economic competitor (not only in the hydrocarbon market), a political rival and a military adversary. Strengthening Iran for all these countries is extremely undesirable. It is doubly undesirable for them to bring Tehran closer to Washington, which essentially takes place at the expense of Ankara, Riyadh, Abu Dhabi, and others. The situation is especially painful for Turkey and the monarchies in the light of the fact that they are now waging an indirect war with Iran in Syria, and now in Yemen. Accordingly, Ankara and the comrades will make every effort (primarily in the Washington corridors of power) so that the final signing of the agreement at the end of June does not take place. This will automatically turn Iran into an even more outcast outcast for the West and will ensure the imposition of additional sanctions against it. Turkey and the monarchies, in turn, will gain an advantage in the fight against Assad and the Housits. Most likely, the Saudis will soon try to expose Tehran as an instigator of war in Yemen, which should significantly worsen Iran-US relations.

The traditional ally of Turkey and monarchies lately is Israel with its paranoid hatred of Iran (apparently, this effect is primarily related to psychiatry and only secondly to geopolitics). As mentioned above, only Tel Aviv openly expressed dissatisfaction with even preliminary agreements on the Iranian nuclear program. To disrupt them, Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu, as you know, has already spoken before the US Congress not just without consent, but contrary to Obama’s wish, that he has no precedent in international politics and is a blatant rudeness from a diplomatic point of view. Now Tel Aviv is stepping up pressure on Washington so that the final agreement will not be signed. If the efforts do not bring success, then it cannot be ruled out. The Israeli Armed Forces will strike at Iran, which they have been talking about for many years. In this case, the most important goal will be not only and not so much the destruction of Iranian nuclear facilities, but the breakdown of agreements, and forever. There is no doubt that Saudi Arabia will provide its own airspace for the Israeli air force.

Thus, the final signing of agreements is by no means guaranteed due to the fact that he has very serious and strong opponents, as well as his own “hawks” in both Washington and Tehran. American Republicans openly declare that if they came to power in 2017, they will cancel the agreement, even if it is signed. But the current administration, represented by Secretary of State Kerry, has already hurried to reassure the Saudis and Israelis that they will not be abandoned in the face of the Iranian threat. On the other hand, Ayatollah Khamenei states that Tehran will sign the agreement only if the sanctions (at least the UN Security Council) are lifted automatically and immediately.

If the signing turns out to be disrupted, this will lead to the strongest aggravation of the situation in the Middle East and sharply increase the likelihood of a general war in the region. In this case, the main winner will obviously become the Islamic Caliphate.
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  1. 0,5
    0,5 April 22 2015 21: 47
    +6
    No one knows the terms of the contract or whether it will be concluded. Sanctions have not yet been lifted, but everyone is already vanging. What do we write about how America and Obama justify ... personally and how now rain will pour from nishtyaks to Russia, and in the West they write how they made Russia and how Obama allowed the crisis in Cuba and Iran, and before that no one could do it could
    1. vanavatny
      vanavatny April 22 2015 21: 52
      +5
      speed reading is power lovebut about vanging, we have a war, although for the time being informational, but in the war every Soviet Information Bureau has its own reports ...
      1. 0,5
        0,5 April 22 2015 22: 11
        +3
        Quote: vanavate
        speed reading is power lovebut about vanging, we have a war, although for the time being informational, but in the war every Soviet Information Bureau has its own reports ...

        But Khramchikhin won out in all seriousness about joint Iranian-Russian operations against the Islamic Caliphate and in Afghanistan recourse ,
        I understand that in the discipline of "spinning on a rake" we concede the truth by a large margin, probably only to Ukraine laughing but not to the same extent ...
        PS our speed reading is everything lol
        1. vanavatny
          vanavatny April 22 2015 22: 19
          +1
          about joint operations, this is probably due to thoughtfulness, and the rake is then scattered everywhere laughing
      2. Zionist 9
        Zionist 9 April 22 2015 22: 30
        -7
        Zion's weapon of victory
      3. Zionist 10
        Zionist 10 April 22 2015 22: 39
        -4
        weapon of retaliation
    2. shooter18
      shooter18 April 22 2015 22: 08
      +1
      How many years has Cuba been sanctioned? and there is nothing alive and healthy))
    3. Zionist 9
      Zionist 9 April 22 2015 22: 18
      -2
      weapon of victory of retaliation death to the enemies of Zion
      1. vanavatny
        vanavatny April 22 2015 22: 27
        +1
        the alien land is in front, the sands of sand are behind, on my chest the mighty one is at the ready ...
      2. hrych
        hrych April 22 2015 22: 34
        +2
        What a backward mortar. In general, the mortar is an anachronism, shoot at camels. Dumb roller, lousy cartoons. Yes, with such a hilyina, Zion is in danger. Do not cry Ukrainian boy.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver April 22 2015 22: 48
          0
          Quote: hrych
          What a backward mortar.
          Quite a mortar. TTD is approximately like that of Nona. That's just Nona does not know how to take digital target designation, but this thing seems to be able to. And it also has smooth and rifled trunks in the kit, and can easily be converted to an 81mm caliber. All this in the video is presented in plain English.
        2. vanavatny
          vanavatny April 22 2015 22: 48
          0
          mortar - anachronism is a bre d
      3. cc-20
        cc-20 April 22 2015 22: 46
        +2
        Here's how
      4. Revolver
        Revolver April 22 2015 23: 01
        +1
        Listen, Zionist, you’ve already decided on the country from which you post, otherwise your flags will flicker, as if you are waving around the EU for supersonic sounds.
        lol
    4. Zionist 9
      Zionist 9 April 22 2015 22: 18
      -4
      weapon of victory of retaliation death to the enemies of Zion
      1. 0,5
        0,5 April 22 2015 22: 25
        +4
        Quote: Zionist 9
        weapon of victory of retaliation death to the enemies of Zion

        So the Zionists and grow anti-Semites winked
        Either you were the only one during the USSR and spread rot, it is true now the Ukrainians, but you earlier started to "sing it", then only you were burned in the ovens during the Second World War ...
        So now why was this post? winked
        So this is a bunch of rabid and creates problems for everyone ...
        1. vanavatny
          vanavatny April 22 2015 22: 29
          -1
          by chance, probably lol
        2. Zionist 10
          Zionist 10 April 22 2015 23: 43
          -3
          you are anti-Semitism that Israel would not blame it on you, for starters, stop selling weapons to our enemies for money; we want to be friends with you and you want to be friends with ayatollahs
    5. sent-onere
      sent-onere April 23 2015 00: 00
      +2
      Those who do not believe in miracles (in politics), when they see a paradox, they suspect fraud. The actions of the State Department to create chaos in the Middle East, stuffed with enriched uranium (Iran) and nuclear power plants under construction (Jordan, Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc.) look like an obvious paradox. Due to the chaos in Ukraine, the Turchinovs (Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine) came to power and are already threatened with a “dirty bomb”, it is highly likely that the national guards protecting the nuclear power plant have already begun to sell uranium to the left (to the Islamists?). And what will happen in Egypt if the Islamists take power, as the State Department planned? For the "dirty bombs", Chernobyl at Skuda, there is enough material there, even the IAEA somehow found plutonium (and the State Department knows this very well). With the transformation of several major Israeli cities into Chernobyl, Israel has no chance of survival. Getting into the chaos zone of any country with nuclear facilities (including Ukraine) may end badly for Israel first of all, it is the main goal of the Islamists. State Department actions - a paradox? If you admit that Israel is decommissioned in the State Department’s plans, then no. The State Department and Rothschild simply want to disguise their actions, because then they and their families will not be arranged for Guantanamo, but for something in the style of Sumer (the birthplace of Abraham - Ur), a country of primal horror (on the stele, the king boasted that he raped and slaughtered mothers eyes of their children, and children in front of their mothers). The State Department is trying to mimic a “natural” process. On the one hand, for the chaos of the neighbors, the Israeli government also completely has to rule, and on the other hand, the State Department has no way to prevent the development of a peaceful atom from the neighbors of Israel. Putting the two parts together - we get the broads, and the State Department is not guilty. The actions of the State Department are quite logical, this is the "indirect action strategy" (Liddell Garth). The idea was taken from the practice of bankers - to lend to the client and at the same time create conditions for it to ruin, as a result - the client’s property is taken for a penny, profit - hundreds of percent. These are the actions of the Russian government, to pass laws that allow everything to be pulled out of the country, and at the same time not to allow production to be developed here, while there is “deliberate error” as it were. “Dear Russians” can be fooled for decades, the Russian zombie in the hands of the fifth column, but how much time will be able to drive by the nose of the Israelis?
  2. ltshyi01
    ltshyi01 April 22 2015 22: 12
    0
    And I don’t care that where they would write if only the Americans would write out another kick!
  3. Linkor9s21
    Linkor9s21 April 22 2015 22: 12
    +1
    Already a headache from this policy. sad
  4. Revolver
    Revolver April 22 2015 22: 35
    0
    Recently, the traditional ally of Turkey and the monarchies is Israel, with its paranoid hatred of Iran (apparently, this effect relates primarily to psychiatry and only secondly to geopolitics).
    The author got it all wrong. Israel never intended to erase Iran from the map, although there is potential. But Iran does not get tired of repeating that Israel must be erased from the map. Moreover, they stated in plain text that erasing from the card is a matter not even subject to discussion, as Allah ordered. Essno Israel will not allow the Ayatollah to have the potential to wipe Israel off the map.
    So you need to send an ayatollah to a psychiatrist. And it’s better to fix them immediately and 4-point sulphs.
  5. Zionist 10
    Zionist 10 April 22 2015 22: 40
    -3
    Quote: hrych
    What a backward mortar. In general, the mortar is an anachronism, shoot at camels. Dumb roller, lousy cartoons. Yes, with such a hilyina, Zion is in danger. Do not cry Ukrainian boy.

    and which are not backward you can show?
    1. hrych
      hrych April 22 2015 23: 50
      +2
      Something like
      1. Zionist 10
        Zionist 10 April 23 2015 00: 34
        -3
        and how is it?
      2. Zionist 10
        Zionist 10 April 23 2015 00: 34
        -3
        and how is it?
  6. Leader
    Leader April 22 2015 22: 41
    +3
    Quote: hrych
    General mortar - an anachronism

    You do not know what mortar shelling is ... Fortunately for you.
    And that would not say such nonsense. They wouldn’t say anything at all ...
    Against infantry - there is no worse weapon; especially if covered in an open place ...
    1. vanavatny
      vanavatny April 22 2015 22: 53
      0
      Yes, he raves, apparently about the statistics of losses from mortar fire did not hear at all
      1. hrych
        hrych April 23 2015 00: 25
        +1
        Doctor, are you giving out diagnoses? Statistics of the First or Second World? Maybe in the Donbass? In Yugoslavia, Iraq, where?
        1. vanavatny
          vanavatny April 23 2015 00: 29
          0
          Have you already hacked with someone on blasters?
    2. Revolver
      Revolver April 22 2015 22: 57
      +1
      Quote: Leader
      Against infantry - no worse weapons

      And not just the infantry. Especially if in the hands that grow from the right place, and not a bunch of ass. Shooters the only Nona nightmare dill in Slavyansk - well, just kindly expensive.
      1. hrych
        hrych April 23 2015 00: 29
        +1
        This is partisanism and God forbid that the Russian army should not fight like that, but use it, as it should be in the Air Force, the Kyrgyz Republic, the MLRS, etc., so that at a distance of a mortar shot would be the corpses of enemies fried from both sides.
        1. vanavatny
          vanavatny April 23 2015 02: 02
          0
          Quote: hrych
          This is partisanism and God forbid that the Russian army should not fight, but use, as it should be, the Air Force, the Kyrgyz Republic, the MLRS, etc.,.

          your words, yes to the right ears
    3. hrych
      hrych April 23 2015 00: 17
      +1
      Anachronism is a relic of the past. How the type of weapon leaves the stage and I didn’t come up with it. There are Nona, how the development of the topic, so compare with this Israeli device, well, clearly not in favor of the latter. Infantry in open areas in a modern conflict should not even be, as such, even in a carrier or bayonet. Light mortar is everywhere ousted by manual means such as RPGs and this is a fact. Just if it is needed then on rugged, mountainous terrain, because other, more advanced tools are simply hard to use there. No one says that it should be excluded now as unnecessary, just more effective systems appear that displace it.
      1. vanavatny
        vanavatny April 23 2015 00: 33
        0
        RPG displaces the mortar? What is it all about? there shouldn’t be infantry, when it’s not, then mortars will be handed out at local history museums
        1. hrych
          hrych April 23 2015 02: 12
          +1
          Small-lightweight is almost completely replaced by manual means. Tsitatata and Wiki:
          50-60 mm company mortars are gradually losing popularity, they are replaced by RPGs. 81- and 82-mm mortars went into the category of lightweight, designed to support units operating on foot in rough terrain, an example of this is the 82-mm mortar “Tray”. The war in Afghanistan contributed to the adoption of a number of mortar systems in the USSR as having shown their high efficiency in mountain conditions.
          Just do not need slander on the incompetence of Wikipedia articles ...
  7. atamankko
    atamankko April 22 2015 22: 47
    0
    With Iran, everything is not as simple as it seems.
  8. Zionist 10
    Zionist 10 April 22 2015 23: 38
    -1
    Quote: Nagan
    Listen, Zionist, you’ve already decided on the country from which you post, otherwise your flags will flicker, as if you are waving around the EU for supersonic sounds.
    lol

    and here it’s not my fault the fact that this site has a certain clear pro-Kremlin direction, step to the left, step to the right, jump on the spot, look like a ban IP address, there are only two opinions of yours, that is, the Kremlin and it’s wrong to take measures to use the bypass system developed by she changes us in Zion IP and a lot of things the task of this site is not to discuss but to praise the decisions of the party and the government, and since I do not praise them, I have to look for other ways wink
    1. Revolver
      Revolver April 22 2015 23: 58
      -1
      Quote: Zionist 10
      the task of this site is not to debate but to praise the decisions of the party and government, and since I do not praise them, I have to look for other ways

      Well, I also do not praise the decisions of the party and the government - neither Edrovsko-Putin, nor even the shit-democratic Obama. Nevertheless, I am acting under my flag, in accordance with geography and citizenship.
      In general, try not to troll, well, or at least the troll is not so thick and straightforward, and the admins will not touch you either. Well, or touched, but not at once.
      hi
  9. Zionist 10
    Zionist 10 April 22 2015 23: 51
    -2
    Quote: Leader
    Quote: hrych
    General mortar - an anachronism

    You do not know what mortar shelling is ... Fortunately for you.
    And that would not say such nonsense. They wouldn’t say anything at all ...
    Against infantry - there is no worse weapon; especially if covered in an open place ...

    it’s for those cheers of patriots that shout, yes, we will throw their hats, yes, we’ll put everyone on the eye ... we’ll pull it. here such an inexpensive weapon Zion can deliver to Ukraine the principle of operation is such a drone flies transfers all the information to the monitor of the coin manger it remains only to have time to give mines at what to shoot it with the model in motion so that it is almost impossible to knock it out, accuracy is absolutely necessary so that it gets into some kind of tmotrol let’s say in turnips and not in the ass means it will fall into a turnip and do not need a hundred shells one shot one load 200 fellow
    1. Revolver
      Revolver April 23 2015 00: 11
      +1
      Listen to me, Zionist, you shouldn't. I do not mean Zionism - I just support and approve of it, but dill posts, which have a place in the trash heap like a censor, but clearly not here. This Kalomoisky can show off on the subject of "> | <Idobander" - he has a sickly fat from Banderstan, but with what joy to you? You, if you support the Bandera-Nazis, paint the Star of David on the Ave in yellow, it corresponds more to Bandera-fascism. As Bandera themselves say, "it is drowning" |
      1. Zionist 10
        Zionist 10 April 23 2015 00: 18
        -1
        I hold Zion, I want peace, not war, don’t deliver weapons to our mortal enemies, this blood money will not bring you good, but you will not bring death to us, and we will not be friends, after all, Islamic radicals are enemies to you no less than us and it doesn’t matter who they are Shiite ayatollahs of the Islamic Republic of Iran or ISIS, they are all smeared in one world by some turban from others, but the arafatka does not change the essence
        1. Revolver
          Revolver April 23 2015 00: 32
          0
          Quote: Zionist 10
          do not supply weapons to our deadly enemies

          I don’t answer for Obama - I voted against him both times.
  10. Zionist 10
    Zionist 10 April 23 2015 00: 14
    -2
    Quote: vanavate
    speed reading is power lovebut about vanging, we have a war, although for the time being informational, but in the war every Soviet Information Bureau has its own reports ...

    1. vanavatny
      vanavatny April 23 2015 00: 21
      0
      I prefer Russian cartoons to my liking ... and why are there so many videos, weapons, or something?
  11. Zionist 10
    Zionist 10 April 23 2015 00: 19
    -2
    [img] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZqQLFAdjRY [/ img]
    Quote: hrych
    Something like

    Quote: hrych
    Something like

    how many shells are a cloud and not the fact that we have only one target but a point
    [img] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZqQLFAdjRY [/ img]
    1. hrych
      hrych April 23 2015 00: 36
      +2
      Point-u, and especially Iskander, is actually a high-precision weapon, which you definitely do not have analogues.
      1. Zionist 10
        Zionist 10 April 23 2015 00: 56
        -2
        [quote = grunt] Point-u, and especially Iskander, is actually a high-precision weapon, which you definitely have no analogues in. [/ quote]
        [quote = grunt] Point-u and especially Iskander is actually a high-precision weapon, the analogues of which you definitely have
    2. Zionist 10
      Zionist 10 April 23 2015 00: 46
      -2
      is this too?
    3. Revolver
      Revolver April 23 2015 00: 49
      0
      Every vegetable has its own time. And the place. A Zila trip with the Grad ammunition load, plus the cost of the ammunition load, will cost several times less than the flight of a fighter, even if it spends only 1 smart bomb. And the rustle can bring more.
      And you, rather than be smart, bought a couple of Grads somewhere, and the next time Hamas starts throwing kassams from Gaza, a volley of Grads in response to them, but not pointwise, but across squares. And then you Jews are constantly kicked for "disproportionate reaction", so already answer them once in proportion.
  12. Zionist 10
    Zionist 10 April 23 2015 00: 42
    -1
    Quote: Nagan
    Quote: Zionist 10
    the task of this site is not to debate but to praise the decisions of the party and government, and since I do not praise them, I have to look for other ways

    Well, I also do not praise the decisions of the party and the government - neither Edrovsko-Putin, nor even the shit-democratic Obama. Nevertheless, I am acting under my flag, in accordance with geography and citizenship.
    In general, try not to troll, well, or at least the troll is not so thick and straightforward, and the admins will not touch you either. Well, or touched, but not at once.
    hi

    admins here touch everyone who doesn’t praise well, you understand who and what and they don’t want Zion, but for me there’s no harm, I’m telling you to ban me impossibly Zion is strong in computer nano technologies, I’m an example
    1. Revolver
      Revolver April 23 2015 01: 04
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      Quote: Zionist 10
      admins here touch everyone who does not praise well, you understand who and why and do not blame Zion
      Yours is not true, I do not praise "well, you understand who" and not Hai Zion, but quite the opposite. And my flag on some here acts like a red rag on a bully, for which I repeatedly raked the minuses. But nothing, as you can see, is not banned, and even with the shoulder straps of the marshal of the sofa troops.lol
      There are simply some generally accepted rules of civilized communication, which here, unlike any censors, must be observed.
    2. Zionist 10
      Zionist 10 April 23 2015 01: 15
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      [img] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjAJPST5_MQ#t=125 [/ img]
  13. Zionist 10
    Zionist 10 April 23 2015 01: 04
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    Quote: hrych
    Point-u, and especially Iskander, is actually a high-precision weapon, which you definitely do not have analogues.

    1. Revolver
      Revolver April 23 2015 01: 19
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      Good stuff. Only now, if you think that dill will buy it from you, think again. They're worth $ 250000 a little thing. And in the dill budget, beside debts, there is no money, and if they are found, they will soon go into the pockets of Yaytsenyukh and the company than they will get to the Israeli military industry.
  14. Zionist 10
    Zionist 10 April 23 2015 01: 16
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    Quote: Nagan
    Quote: Zionist 10
    admins here touch everyone who does not praise well, you understand who and why and do not blame Zion
    Yours is not true, I do not praise "well, you understand who" and not Hai Zion, but quite the opposite. And my flag on some here acts like a red rag on a bully, for which I repeatedly raked the minuses. But nothing, as you can see, is not banned, and even with the shoulder straps of the marshal of the sofa troops.lol
    There are simply some generally accepted rules of civilized communication, which here, unlike any censors, must be observed.

  15. Zionist 10
    Zionist 10 April 23 2015 01: 32
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    Quote: hrych
    This is partisanism and God forbid that the Russian army should not fight like that, but use it, as it should be in the Air Force, the Kyrgyz Republic, the MLRS, etc., so that at a distance of a mortar shot would be the corpses of enemies fried from both sides.

    call a spade a spade so that she fought as the IDF or the language does not turn around so to speak? and you remember sticking it with your hands, insert it where you usually got used to insert and lick. this is how Zion fights the batan and you say a whirlwind a hundred missiles bam bam and by we also have worse tornadoes only this weapon of the 20th century and we are fighting the 21st century so we have something to put well ... do you know? and you say nothing again am
    1. hrych
      hrych April 23 2015 01: 46
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      No, the tzahal stumbled in the last Lebanon war and showed how not to fight. When Hezbollah fought off without armored vehicles and aircraft inflicted unacceptable losses on Tsahalu. Let the Russian army fight as it did in 2008, or better, as with the polite return of Crimea (the largest size of Israel with losses), when the enemy was blocked, deprived of communication and demoralized, which simply did not dare to at least give a rebuff. Moreover, Israel does not have experience in conducting a modern war, but only punitive police operations, what happened during the last Arab-Israeli war no longer rolls, tactics and means have changed significantly, and enemies are acquiring advanced weapons systems.
      1. Zionist12
        Zionist12 April 23 2015 04: 28
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        I would say who is involved in punitive operations, but I’m banned here because only two opinions are yours and wrong, and so everything is fine, everything is wonderful, everything is wonderful
  16. Zionist 10
    Zionist 10 April 23 2015 01: 45
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    Quote: Nagan
    Quote: Zionist 10
    do not supply weapons to our deadly enemies

    I don’t answer for Obama - I voted against him both times.

    but I seem to know you, and you we went around in the soap until he covered him and the awkward brought me here and searched for myself .. I had a nickname chasing Zionist Bibi Netanyahu haifa, did you remember me?
    1. Revolver
      Revolver April 23 2015 02: 21
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      Quote: Zionist 10
      but I seem to know you, and you we went around in the soap until he covered him and the awkward brought me here and searched for myself .. I had a nickname chasing Zionist Bibi Netanyahu haifa, did you remember me?

      You have beguiled me with someone. But it is gratifying to know that I am not the only one who thinks in this vein.
  17. Zionist 10
    Zionist 10 April 23 2015 01: 45
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    Quote: Nagan
    Quote: Zionist 10
    do not supply weapons to our deadly enemies

    I don’t answer for Obama - I voted against him both times.

    but I seem to know you, and you we went around in the soap until he covered him and the awkward brought me here and searched for myself .. I had a nickname chasing Zionist Bibi Netanyahu haifa, did you remember me?
  18. boroda64
    boroda64 April 23 2015 01: 58
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    ...
    I am an anti-Semite ..
    - nosionist
    the idea is to gather everyone at one mountain - a good idea / but - why run around them all over the world ../
  19. Zionist12
    Zionist12 April 23 2015 04: 26
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    Quote: boroda64
    ...
    I am an anti-Semite ..
    - nosionist
    the idea is to gather everyone at one mountain - a good idea / but - why run around them all over the world ../

    and you do not want to build the Russian peace in Zion, dear, huh?