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Victory Parade: expected news

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A little less than three weeks left before the Victory Parade on Red Square in Moscow. In preparation for the holiday, the Ministry of Defense published data on planned activities in various cities. Among other things, the military department spoke about what kind of military equipment will pass through the main square of the country. In addition to the already well-known models, new cars will take part in the Victory Parade, which were not shown to the public earlier. The types and number of such novelties are already known.


It should be recalled that the display of the latest military technology at the parade 2015, is not a surprise. The existence of such plans was announced a few years ago, after which the general public could only wait and make assumptions. Some features of the appearance of promising machines, disclosed by the Ministry of Defense, also did not newsSince now photos and video recordings with this technique have appeared in free access. Nevertheless, some of the units of the new technology are still hiding under canvas covers, which is why the Victory Parade will really be a full-fledged premiere of cars.

We study the published list of military equipment that will participate in the festivities, and consider the available information about it.

Kornet-D ATGM

The first in Red Square will be Tanks T-34-85 and self-propelled guns SU-100, after which the Tiger armored vehicles will appear. After the armored cars in the basic version, seven similar vehicles will come out onto the square, equipped with the latest Kornet-D anti-tank missile system. The Ministry of Defense has already published a photo from a training session before the parade, which depicts such a combat vehicle. Despite the fact that the prototype of the Kornet-D ATGM has already been demonstrated at various exhibitions, the launchers of the parade samples are covered with canvas covers. The military seeks to maintain intrigue.

Victory Parade: expected news


The main objective of the complex "Cornet-D" is the destruction of armored vehicles and fortifications of the enemy. In addition, the updated missiles allow, if necessary, to attack and air targets. In the version for installation on the Tiger armored car, the missile system is made in the form of a set of units. The most notable: two launchers with mounts for containers of four missiles. Launchers are mounted in the rear of the body and have a set of drives with which they can be pushed over the roof and retracted. Both launchers are equipped with equipment to search for targets and control missiles. Thus, one combat vehicle can simultaneously attack two targets. According to some reports, if necessary, one launcher can simultaneously launch two missiles and control them.

According to open sources, three types of guided missiles can be used as part of the Kornet-D ATGM system: 9М133ФМ-3, 9М133М and 9М133М-2. These products have different characteristics and purpose. Thus, the 9М133ФМ-3 rocket is equipped with a high-explosive warhead and is capable of flying over a distance of up to 10 km. The 9M113FM and 9М133М-2 products are equipped with thermobaric and cumulative warheads, respectively. Their range is up to 8 km. Rockets of all three types are controlled by a laser beam. The automation of the complex directs the beam towards the target, and the rocket equipment keeps it at a predetermined course, guided by the position of the beam.

At the end of March, domestic media reported that the Arzamas Machine-Building Plant had transferred five Tiger armored cars to the Tula Instrument Design Bureau, which were to receive equipment for the Kornet-D complex. After installing the necessary equipment machines had to take part in the parade. After that, they will be transferred to the military for testing. An interesting fact is that only five vehicles were transferred for conversion, although the Ministry of Defense reports that seven armored vehicles with missiles will pass across Red Square. Obviously, experienced cars will be involved in the festivities.

BMD-4M

After the anti-tank complexes on Red Square, a column of various armored vehicles will appear as part of the BTR-82A armored personnel carriers, as well as the Typhoon-K and Typhoon-U armored vehicles. Then, viewers will be able to see the new equipment currently being delivered to the airborne troops. 10 BMD-4M airborne combat vehicles will appear first in public. Their participation in the Victory Parade can be considered a point in the lingering stories with the tests and adoption for service, which for various reasons was delayed for several years.



BMD-4М was developed specifically for armament of the Airborne Forces, which affected its many features. The assault vehicle has a combat mass at the level of the 14 T, which allows it to be transported by military transport aircraft, as well as paratrooped. Inside the body of anti-bullet armor are three crew members and a landing of five people with weapons. The BMD-4М is equipped with the “Bakhcha-U” combat module, ensuring the defeat of various types of targets using the most suitable weapons. The crew has a 100-mm 2-70 gun with the ability to launch rockets, a 30-2 automatic gun and a PKT machine gun mounted on the same machine.

At the end of last year, a new assault landing vehicle completed the tests. According to reports, to date, the troops delivered more than two dozen such machines. Until the end of the year it is planned to transfer several dozen BMD-4М to the troops.

BTR-MDM "Shell"

Following the BMD-4M, ten BTR-MDM Rakushka armored personnel carriers, also under construction for the airborne troops, will be stationed on Red Square. This technique was developed on the basis of a new assault vehicle and was also intended to upgrade the fleet of airborne vehicles. The start of production and supplies to the troops was also associated with certain difficulties, which is why “Shells” began to enter the troops relatively recently.



The BTR-MDM armored personnel carrier was developed on the basis of some units of the BMD-4M landing vehicle. It differs from the base machine in a large, characteristic-shaped hull, inside which are places for a crew of two and 13 paratroopers. The crew and landing force are protected from small arms bullets and shrapnel artillery pieces. For self-defense, the crew has one PKTM machine gun on the turret.

The first armored personnel carriers of the new model were transferred to the troops back in 2013 year. The following year, the Airborne Forces received another dozen of these vehicles. 12 units were shipped in March 2015. Deliveries of equipment continue. In the future, the Airborne Forces should receive at least several dozen new armored personnel carriers.

BTR and BMP "Kurganets-25"

After the equipment for the Airborne Forces, viewers will be shown 10 of the newest armored personnel carriers and 10 infantry fighting vehicles of the Kurganets-25 family. The essence of the project "Kurganets-25" was the creation of a unified tracked platform that can be used as the basis for armored vehicles of various classes. To date, the development and construction of an experimental batch of armored vehicles in the configuration of an armored personnel carrier and infantry fighting vehicles has been completed. It should be noted that the equipment based on the Kurganets-25 platform is one of the main innovations of the upcoming Victory Parade.



As follows from the published photos, the armored personnel carrier and the BMP "Kurganets-25" have unified chassis with minimal differences. The universal platform has a distinctive appearance, formed by several straight surfaces. The level of protection of the armored hull has not yet been called, but there is reason to believe that the "Kurganets-25" will be able to protect the crew from small arms and small-caliber artillery of the enemy. In order to avoid hitting the car in a side view, the platform is equipped with rather large side screens.

The appearance of the combat vehicles shown suggests that they have the layout characteristic of modern technology of this class. Apparently, in the front of the body "Kurgants-25" are the engine and transmission units. Behind him are the jobs of the driver and the commander, and the hull feed is given for the placement of the landing force. In the middle of the hull roof there is a shoulder strap for a combat module with weapons. The unified platform "Kurganets-25" has a chassis with six track rollers on each side. The drive wheel is located in the front of the hull, directing - in the stern.

Armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, having a different purpose, should receive a different set of equipment. First of all, these are different combat modules. Official information about the used weapons machines based on the "Kurganets-25" has not yet been announced. Nevertheless, one can say that the armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles are equipped with different combat modules: the units covered with a tarpaulin are seriously different even in size. The contours of the covers suggest that the BTR will carry a combat module with machine guns, and the “main caliber” of the new BMP will be a small-caliber gun. In addition, numerous small aggregates mounted on the outer surface of the body of an infantry fighting vehicle are striking. For some reason, they, like combat modules, are still hidden under a tarp.

Most of the information about the technology on the basis of the unified platform "Kurganets-25" still remains secret. It remains to hope that in the very near future, the public will be provided with detailed information on new armored vehicles, which in the next few years will begin to enter the troops.

BMP "Armata"

Immediately after the armored vehicles based on the Kurganets-25 platform, it is planned to show heavy-duty infantry fighting vehicles created as part of the Armata project. This project, like the "Kurganets-25" was developed taking into account the creation of vehicles of various classes based on a common chassis, components and assemblies. At the moment, as far as is known, tanks and infantry fighting vehicles have been built on the basis of this platform. In the future, there may be other types of military equipment.



The heavy armored infantry fighting vehicle "Armata" is designed to transport personnel and its fire support on the battlefield. A similar purpose affected a number of characteristic features of the new car, as well as its appearance. In addition, a detailed examination of the published photos shows that the chassis of the infantry fighting vehicle is deployed "backwards" of the chassis of the Armata tank, which served as the basis for the BMP.

BMP "Armata" refers to the heavy class, however, the overall layout is almost no different from previous domestic cars in its class. Thus, the engine compartment of the machine is located in front of the case. Behind MTO is a department of management with jobs of the driver and commander. The middle and aft of the hull are given under the troop compartment. The landing is done through a door or doors in the rear hull sheet. To increase the level of protection, the frontal part of the body is equipped with an original design reservation. Also on the machines shown there are relatively small screens located on the sides of the troop compartment.

The heavy infantry fighting vehicle based on the Armata platform is equipped with a combat module, the type of which has not yet been officially named. At the rehearsals of the parade, this unit is closed by a cover. In addition, under the fabric are hidden some units on the roof of the case. Apparently, the Armata infantry combat vehicle will receive a combat module with a small-caliber automatic cannon, similar to that used on the Kurganets-25 infantry fighting vehicle. Capacity of the troop compartment is still unknown.

Tank "Armata"

As part of the column of modern and advanced main battle tanks must pass ten cars of the type "Armata". These tanks can be considered a real “highlight of the program,” since the renewal of the fleet of such equipment is one of the most pressing problems, and their first demonstration had to wait several years. In addition, it should be remembered that the military and defense industry promised to show the Armata tanks at the 2015 parade of the year and kept their promise.





One of the reasons for the increased interest in the Armat tank is the fact that it was developed almost from scratch. In this project, certain developments on tank themes were used, but it is not a direct development of already existing developments. In particular, the Armata is the first domestic tank, the entire crew of which is located in a single control unit inside the armored hull. This arrangement provides the highest possible level of crew protection. In addition, as far as we know, the new tank received a fully automated uninhabited turret with an 125 caliber mm gun. Such features make it possible to consider the Armata a real breakthrough not only in the domestic, but also in the world tank building.



Tank "Armata" is based on the same chassis as the heavy BMP. Nevertheless, the tank chassis has a layout peculiar to this class of equipment: the engine and transmission are located in the stern, and the middle part of the hull is given to the crew and, probably, to some tower units. Unlike previous domestic tanks, "Armata" is equipped with a chassis with seven support rollers on board. The exact characteristics of protection and weapons, for obvious reasons, are still unknown. Moreover, the appearance of the tower remains unknown. These units, together with the tools are still hidden under the covers.

SAU "Coalition-SV"

May 9 will be held the first public demonstration of the new self-propelled artillery "Coalition-SV". The development of this car started a long time ago, but the “premiere” will take place only at the future Victory Parade. Unfortunately, some lovers of military equipment, the new ACS was built on the updated version of the project. Recall, it was originally planned to create an artillery system with two guns on a common installation. In the future, it was decided to abandon such bold and unusual decisions. The result of the project was a self-propelled gun on a tank chassis, equipped with one gun in a large tower.



According to reports, the basis for the ACS "Coalition-SV" was a modified chassis of the main tank T-90. The original tower with an 152 caliber mm gun is installed on the hull strap. Previously appeared information about the work on the creation of an uninhabited tower, all units of which will work without the direct participation of the crew. The published photo shows that the commander and the driver of self-propelled guns are located inside the hull. This fact can be considered confirmation of the creation of an uninhabited tower.



The characteristics of the new weapon are not yet known. There is reason to believe that the ACS "Coalition-SV" has received a modern digital fire control system, which allows it to be used in various modes for different combat missions. For self-defense, the self-propelled gun received a large-caliber machine gun mounted on a remote-controlled turret on the roof of the tower.

Participating in the training of self-propelled "Coalition-SV", like other new machines, did not remain without disguise. Cloth covers covered their towers. Outside the canvas "veil" are only a gun and turret with a machine gun.

BTR "Boomerang"

The latest ground-based parade should be an armored personnel carrier on the basis of a unified wheeled platform "Boomerang". Three such cars must pass through Red Square. The development of the Boomerang project was carried out in parallel with the Kurgan-25 and Armata. BTR based on this platform are designed to replace the existing wheeled armored vehicles, whose characteristics are not fully satisfied with the military.



The Boomerang vehicle has the wheel formula 8х8 and can be similar in its layout to other modern armored personnel carriers of this class. Despite the tarp, which hides the entire upper part of the hull and the combat module, we can draw some conclusions about the location of the internal units. The armored personnel carrier engine is probably located in the front of the hull, on the starboard side. To his left is a driver. They are provided for the volume to accommodate the troops, weapons and necessary equipment. Leave the car is supposed to be through the ramp or the door in the aft hull.

Characteristics of the armored personnel carrier "Boomerang" have not yet been announced. There is no reliable information regarding the used combat module. The architecture of the machine allows the use of various units with weapons. Planned to show the car, probably equipped with combat modules with machine guns, traditionally used on domestic armored personnel carriers.

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9 May 30 parades dedicated to Victory Day will be held throughout the country. In all these activities will be involved as personnel, and equipment of various types. From the point of view of technology, the parade in Moscow is of the greatest interest, where the first show of several new combat vehicles will take place. The list of this technology has already been announced, some other details are known. It remains to wait less than three weeks, and everyone will be able to see with their own eyes what will come into service with the Russian army in the coming years.


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  1. silver169
    silver169 April 22 2015 05: 55 New
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    Honestly, even what they showed (although they didn’t show as much as we would like))) causes a feeling of pride and joy for Russia. So much in time, what a giant breakthrough. Russia is ahead again and it is very pleasing! All my expectations and hopes came true, and this is exactly what I personally wanted to see promising Russian armored vehicles.
    1. Hairy Siberian
      Hairy Siberian April 22 2015 06: 03 New
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      Indeed, there is something to be proud of. Updating armored vehicles is simply grandiose, by any measure. Sounds especially cool " the new tank received a fully automated uninhabited turret with a 125 mm gun". To be honest I doubted earlier.
      1. Saburov
        Saburov April 22 2015 06: 37 New
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        Well, to be honest, all this is certainly good .. but if you take into account the experience of creating tanks and armored vehicles in the USSR, on the same experience of the NIIII BT or starting with the BT-7 and T-34 and ending with the T-80 and T-90, then it will leave not a year or two until they bring the car to a more perfect operational state, but in other words they bring it to mind, and this is only possible during use in the troops and use in combat conditions or in conditions close to combat. And at the moment this is still a smart example, although it was pretty much driven to the test site before acceptance. By the way, the state commission at Almaty is yet to come, with firing and a demonstration of protection (one sample will be fired from 12 points) and naturally sea trials in three climatic zones (frost resistance, desert, subtropics).
        1. Rex
          Rex April 22 2015 10: 31 New
          +3
          it will take not a year or two until they bring the car to a better operational condition
          I believe that they will keep within a year. If the price is agreed.
          In T-14, most of the solutions were tested on experimental samples - an engine, an uninhabited tower, a crew in the hull ...
          1. PROXOR
            PROXOR April 22 2015 14: 26 New
            +3
            Quote: Rex
            In T-14, most of the solutions were tested on experimental samples - an engine, an uninhabited tower, a crew in the hull ...

            Here's an engine question. Somewhere I read that the latest X-shaped engine should have been installed on Armata. Unless of course this is the same B-2 that comes with 34ki, it is only deployed mirrored from the bottom with a single crankshaft.
            1. Rex
              Rex April 22 2015 15: 15 New
              +4
              Here's a question about the engine. Somewhere I read that the latest X-shaped engine should have been installed on Armata.
              Yes, I agree, this is not yet known.
              Just engines with a capacity of 1500 hp (maybe more) have already been tested. Which ones is the question.
              1. Canep
                Canep April 22 2015 17: 32 New
                +8
                This is apparently the new engine of Almaty
              2. ilya_oz
                ilya_oz April 22 2015 17: 41 New
                +2
                And what is the problem with an X-shaped engine of such power? A few years ago, it seems, prototypes were already shown.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 22 2015 10: 36 New
          +2
          BTRs based on this platform are intended to replace the existing wheeled armored vehicles, the characteristics of which are no longer fully satisfactory for the military.
          Even I did not hear that the military would not be happy.
          1. Baatyr
            Baatyr April 24 2015 13: 13 New
            +2
            The unified platform "Kurganets-25" has a chassis with six track rollers on each side
            Actually 7 rinks at Kurganets
        3. Cherdak
          Cherdak April 22 2015 20: 53 New
          +9
          Quote: Saburov
          Well, to be honest, all this is certainly good .. but if you take into account the experience of creating tanks and armored vehicles in the USSR, on the same experience of the NIIII BT or starting with the BT-7 and T-34 and ending with the T-80 and T-90, then it will leave not a year or two until they bring the car to a better operational state, but in other words they bring it to mind


          Not scary, the crews have already begun preparations soldier
      2. Imperialkolorad
        Imperialkolorad April 22 2015 11: 44 New
        +2
        Quote: Hairy Siberian
        Indeed, there is something to be proud of. Updating armored vehicles is simply grandiose, by any measure. Especially cool sounds "the new tank received a fully automated uninhabited turret with a 125 mm cannon." If you honestly doubted it earlier.

        Well, as if initially it was positioned as the main feature of Almaty.
    2. blizart
      blizart April 22 2015 06: 28 New
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      After all, from the taiga to the British seas
      The Red Army is the strongest.
      1. washi
        washi April 22 2015 13: 07 New
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        Quote: blizart
        After all, from the taiga to the British seas
        The Red Army is the strongest.

        Do you promote the Chinese army? She remained Red (Communist)
        The rest are just armed forces
        1. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch April 22 2015 15: 46 New
          +2
          Quote: Vasya
          Do you promote the Chinese army? She remained Red (Communist)
          The rest are just armed forces

          Red, not in the sense of communism .... Red in Old Slavic is beautiful, and also means abundance ...
        2. zinych1
          zinych1 April 22 2015 18: 55 New
          +3
          Well, actually the banner of both the RF Armed Forces and the ground forces remained red. And the Red Army of the Soviets, is not particularly connected with communism, and has a connection with the red banner (flag), which personified the revolutionary struggle and rebellion. Well, it appeared long before communism.
        3. SIvan
          SIvan April 27 2015 22: 09 New
          0
          The Chinese like PLA called (People's Liberation Army of China).
    3. Evgeniy667b
      Evgeniy667b April 22 2015 10: 06 New
      +7
      We will be proud when all this equipment will be in the army and in sufficient quantities, at least hundreds of units. And now this is an elementary window dressing, PR campaign and nothing more. And someone else has a commercial itch, for sure, these traders got it !!!
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 April 22 2015 10: 11 New
        +1
        And it wouldn’t hurt you to be more optimistic! One of the all-ensemble))?
        1. Elk
          Elk April 22 2015 13: 21 New
          -1
          And it wouldn’t hurt you to be more optimistic! One of the all-ensemble))?

          An optimist is simply a poorly informed pessimist.
          I don’t know about you, but I don’t have any special reasons for optimism.
    4. Malkor
      Malkor April 22 2015 21: 33 New
      0
      I read the article - the mood rose good !!! Glad for our army. The equipment is good, new thoughtful concepts are visible, we are waiting in the troops. I would be very glad if we are in the Air Force and Navy in such quantities that we will take new excellent samples. bully
  2. Bassoon
    Bassoon April 22 2015 06: 13 New
    +6
    The eye rejoices when looking at so many new armored vehicles.
    1. DarkRiver
      DarkRiver April 22 2015 07: 15 New
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      Friend, just don’t be offended, but I advise you to change your nickname)) Or at least write it in Cyrillic) To find out why, go to translate.google.com
      1. alex13-61
        alex13-61 April 22 2015 09: 59 New
        +5
        Yes ... at Bulgakov, it sounds more civil.
      2. chebman
        chebman April 22 2015 10: 13 New
        +3
        The rank of general, along with the nickname you can’t throw down the drain)
      3. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm April 22 2015 18: 00 New
        0
        Quote: Fagot
        The eye rejoices when looking at so many new armored vehicles.

        Quote: DarkRiver
        Friend, just don’t be offended, but I advise you to change your nickname)) Or at least write it in Cyrillic) To find out why, go to translate.google.com
  3. Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov April 22 2015 06: 52 New
    +4
    the lack of a familiar DZ on Armata somehow cuts the eye, the tank looks rustic, but maybe this is what indicates the presence of Active Defense?
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous April 22 2015 07: 40 New
      +4
      Western heavy tanks also do not have active armor, but they have excellent protection, including from cumulative shells
      1. bolat19640303
        bolat19640303 April 22 2015 09: 54 New
        +5
        Quote: Dangerous
        On western heavy tanks


        There are no heavy tanks in the west - they are all main battle tanks.

        Quote: Dangerous
        however, they have excellent protection, including from cumulative shells


        What is achieved - the weight is close to the beyond (railway platform, bridges, cross-country ...)
        1. zinych1
          zinych1 April 22 2015 18: 58 New
          0
          Just Dangerous meant that they are heavier than ours. And the tanks, in my opinion, are now basic for everyone and have no gradations for light and heavy.
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    3. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 22 2015 07: 45 New
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      the lack of a familiar DZ on Armata somehow cuts the eye, the tank looks rustic, but maybe this is what indicates the presence of Active Defense?

      There is a built-in remote sensing. And judging by the appearance, some kind of new, or modification of the Relic.
      And what looks simple, I really like that. Nothing extra comes out, doesn't hang, doesn't hang out. The impression of a single monolith of armor and body.
      Although of course for a complete impression, you need to look with the tower open.
    4. Saburov
      Saburov April 22 2015 08: 43 New
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      The built-in DZ has been used for a long time, on the same T-72BA Contact-5 (second generation). The tests carried out in the 1990s by the German and American military showed that the T-72 tank protected by this armor is "invulnerable" to M829 A1 shells with a core from depleted uranium, which were the best Western armor-piercing shells at the time. Armata uses third-generation DZ.
    5. tchoni
      tchoni April 22 2015 09: 46 New
      +3
      Quote: Sergey Sitnikov
      the usual DZ somehow cuts the eye, the tank looks rustic,

      And what do you forgive, do you need mahogany finish on a combat vehicle?
      Remote sensing was not set because, most likely, they managed to achieve a similar degree of protection with passive means.
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 April 22 2015 10: 19 New
        0
        This is impossible to do, if a missile hits a DZ, the tank definitely takes damage, even if it remains in service, does not lose combat capability ... but, another hit in the same place will put the tank out of action! When KAZ fires, the tank takes no damage at all, except that it consumes KAZ charges! But KAZ is not a panacea for anti-tank weapons! The T-14 is beautiful in its own right now, but what will happen at the parade we will see, I think it will only be more beautiful with an open tower! And the BMD-4M is generally beautiful ..))) !
        1. Saburov
          Saburov April 22 2015 10: 36 New
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          How many disputes I had with the Professor about this, I, as a graduate of the ChVTKU, can repeat for you once again the USSR was ahead of all taken together in the work on the KAZ, but ... for local operations with low intensity and the enemy’s lack of heavy, anti-tank funds. I had a chance to visit the comparative tests of the Arena and Drozd 2, the active defense systems, in principle, do their job well, but in what conditions you are going to use it, it’s one thing when you are on the field and somewhere the grenade launcher has settled down, and if the enemy is hammering with artillery , it uses aviation, everything boils and smokes, rubbish of the earth and stones, constant flare, fire of small arms and heavy machine guns, then the efficiency of the KAZ is reduced to zero and it becomes just a ballast, if you use it with counter-Pisan actions iaah (counterterrorism) it doesn’t make much sense, since any group of fighters prepared in the slightest degree can do this better than the tank and as a result its task is only to support the fire from safe distances, in the second Chechen there were two 80s with Arena for testing, half of the ST worked to nowhere, although the manufacturers claimed that it works selectively and did not respond to low-speed objects (birds, clods of land, etc.), a land mine exploded and a piece from the car door flew towards the tank, the ST worked and so on, so on that its use is especially effective It is effective in conditions of local conflicts when the opposing side is armed with only light anti-tank weapons, so the decision of the commission decided not to recommend serial production, and it costs a lot, and there are still many shortcomings, for this money you can cover up to heels, so that for large-scale military operations, the thing is useless, maybe with the development of electronics, target selection, it will turn out something worthwhile. So KAZ Trophy has exactly the same disadvantages and if you carefully study the instructions for KAZ Trophy , then it is clearly written that the system is intended for use in low-intensity conflicts. And do not forget that KAZ Drozd was developed at the end of 70x, and KAZ Arena in the middle of 80x, so Trophy is no better than them, except electronics .
          1. Saburov
            Saburov April 22 2015 10: 37 New
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            How targets are selected on the Trophy, just like in the Arena, the calculation is made according to the angle, speed, direction, and after analyzing the target trajectory by the onboard ballistic computer, if necessary, a shooting command is issued. But the Arena, unlike the Trophy, intercepts from 50 meters, in contrast to the Israeli counterpart with its 25 meters, and the range of speeds of targets hit ranges from 70 to 700 m / s, (with 2008 already from 70 to 1.200 m / s) which It allows you to successfully deal with any type of grenade fired from grenade launchers of various calibers, as well as anti-tank guided missiles both in direct contact and when flying over a tank. Trophy is nothing more than a slightly simplified Arena, since our counterintelligence also does not eat bread for nothing. For the first time, KAZ was perfectly tested in Afghanistan on 84 T-55AD machines, which allowed us to analyze the reduction of equipment losses in three. Regarding who was the first, the USSR made the first truly operational system, the first Drozd active defense system was installed on the T-55AD tank, and was put into service in the 1983 year. "Drozd" - the first complex in the world, adopted into service and produced in series. And about intercepting it or not, as a doctor I say that it will not intercept, because the KAZ diseases at the genetic level are the same, first you try to give a couple of volleys from long-range ones next to the tank, and then look at the KAZ's work, or rather its absence . All active protection systems have common disadvantages. It is unclear how the system will operate with strong shaking. Many ATGMs (for example, FGM-148 Javelin) hit the roof of the tank, bypassing the protected area. A gap a few meters from the tank is likely to damage the equipment located on the roof, including the protective system. Also, the final performance of the system with the need to recharge does not allow to repel multiple attacks from one direction. This feature was taken into account when creating the RPG-30 with a leading projectile designed to ensure the operation of the tank protection system at a safe distance for the rocket-propelled grenade.
          2. Rex
            Rex April 22 2015 10: 51 New
            +3
            then the efficiency of KAZ is reduced to zero
            According to domestic estimates, the same Arena increased the survivability of the tank by 1,2-1,8 times.
            They were not considered a panacea. Just an extra layer of protection.
            1. Saburov
              Saburov April 22 2015 11: 09 New
              +2
              You forgot to clarify in what conditions ... it is one thing when a tank is against a pair of grenade launchers, another is a full-fledged military operation involving different types of troops. I wrote that the KAZ systems are designed for local operations with low intensity and the absence of the enemy’s heavy, anti-tank weapons.
              1. Rex
                Rex April 22 2015 11: 58 New
                +1
                KAZ systems are designed for local operations with low intensity and the absence of the enemy’s heavy, anti-tank weapons.
                However, the same Drozd is able to bring down a PTR flying in the forehead.
                Any additional chance to survive is already a plus.
                1. Saburov
                  Saburov April 22 2015 12: 05 New
                  +6
                  The chance to survive is the competent use of the armed forces and the established relationship between them.
          3. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv April 22 2015 18: 07 New
            +3
            Quote: Saburov
            KAZ, but ... for local operations with low intensity and the enemy’s lack of heavy, anti-tank weapons.

            Already savored, while reading both komenty.
            At least something interesting)))
            Thank you
            hi

            KAZ - a good radish, but certainly not a panacea for all ills.
            Just one of the lines of defense on certain theater and specific tactical conditions.

            ...............
            According to the photo:
            - I’m glad that they made Armata with dviglom both in the stern and in the front.
            Wonderful.
            -It is good that on Kurganets sound screens from RPGs are provided.
            - The boomerang is clearly still raw.
            Good luck to the peasants.
  4. mabuta
    mabuta April 22 2015 06: 53 New
    +2
    Lyapota. Not special. But military equipment with a landing should, in my opinion, be equipped with active protection.
    1. Nikita Dmitriev
      Nikita Dmitriev April 22 2015 07: 55 New
      10
      Active protection, when triggered, injures or shell-shock troops landing next to the machine. One of the problems of active defense is that it becomes dangerous for infantry to be near equipment. Therefore, they are going to put it only on tanks, because infantry usually moves either in front or behind at a distance of 100-300m, and not next to tanks.
      1. just exp
        just exp April 22 2015 09: 16 New
        +1
        this is if KAZ type Arena, and if type Barrier. then it’s working on infantry easier.
      2. igorka357
        igorka357 April 22 2015 10: 25 New
        +9
        Yes, yes, yes ... apparently you’ve fought, did you take Grozny, maybe Bamut? Tell me in more detail the butt knocking on the commander’s hatch ... so that the tank would not transfer its own soldiers from behind ... what is the exact distance when storming the village will there be infantry? Yes, it’s not necessary, I’ll tell you myself ... at a distance of twenty centimeters, and when they beat on all sides, you’ll try to squeeze into this tank!
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak April 22 2015 14: 02 New
          +3
          Tell me in more detail the butt knocking on the commander’s hatch ... so that the tank does not transfer its own soldiers from behind.

          By the way, it’s interesting, did they introduce at least some connection between the tank crew and the nearby infantry? If they really screwed the intercom into the stern, the cost is not great.
          1. ilyaspb
            ilyaspb April 22 2015 16: 55 New
            +3
            The T-72 tank has four TPUs - three for the crew, one for the landing. Answered your question?
        2. Nikita Dmitriev
          Nikita Dmitriev April 23 2015 13: 14 New
          0
          I meant the battle in the field. A storm of cities is a different story. Equipment becomes too vulnerable and can only be protected by infantry cleaning the surrounding buildings, and equipment works as art support for infantry to suppress firing points. In my opinion, it was even spelled out in the charters of the USSR. Although not sure, but somewhere I read about the tactics during the assault on the city.

          And about Grozny, even our command recognized the mistake of entering tanks. It was impossible to do this, because they were burned. And in general, 1 Chechen is one continuous mistake of our command and its not professionalism.
    2. Imperial
      Imperial April 22 2015 10: 58 New
      +8
      Not special., But military equipment with a landing should, in my opinion, be equipped with active protection.
      And she is, look carefully. clickable.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh April 23 2015 03: 16 New
        -3
        These are camcorders
        1. uwzek
          uwzek April 23 2015 05: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          These are camcorders

          No. This is PU KAZ. Not much, of course, but maybe there is one more on the tower ...
  5. den3080
    den3080 April 22 2015 07: 38 New
    -17
    Quote: Sergey Sitnikov
    the lack of a familiar DZ on Armata somehow cuts the eye, the tank looks rustic, but maybe this is what indicates the presence of Active Defense?

    "rustic" is the wrong word.
    The tank looks "raw", unfinished, and this is completely true, as I understand it. It's probably early to show, but the decision has been made.
    If only they drove along Red Square, they did not stall - it looks like this, unfortunately.
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous April 22 2015 07: 44 New
      +3
      Do not cling to active protection units. The same abrams, leopards, lecrers and mercavas also look simple without protection, however this doesn’t prevent them from being more protected than our 72s with contact
      1. DarkRiver
        DarkRiver April 22 2015 07: 59 New
        +8
        Quote: Dangerous
        Do not cling to active protection units. The same abrams, leopards, lecrers and mercavas also look simple without protection, however this doesn’t prevent them from being more protected than our 72s with contact

        This is a myth, I saw the Janes plate dedicated to the protection of tanks, though the T-80U appeared there, in terms of the equivalent resistance of rolled homogeneous armor, the T-80 was second only to Abrams with depleted uranium armor (and this is an additional several tons of mass). Another issue is the propensity of our tanks to detonate BK in case of penetration.
        1. cast iron
          cast iron April 25 2015 22: 27 New
          0
          "The tendency to detonate BC" is a myth. The ammunition detonation probability depends on the point of impact and the presence of high-explosive and shaped-charge projectiles in the ammunition rack.
          In Abrams there are no shells at all, from the word ABSOLUTELY NO. Thus, his sub-caliber and cumulative shells have a significantly lower probability of knocking from penetration.
      2. igorka357
        igorka357 April 22 2015 10: 27 New
        +1
        Do not explain to the ignoramuses what the active defense unit looks like ..))? Before you write a comment, at least take a look at the photo!
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    3. igorka357
      igorka357 April 22 2015 10: 25 New
      +1
      Well, you know better ..)))!
  6. ent
    ent April 22 2015 07: 42 New
    12
    The unified platform "Kurganets-25" has a chassis with six track rollers on each side


    You're wrong. Chassis with 7 track rollers
    1. Azim77
      Azim77 April 22 2015 13: 33 New
      +3
      Wouldn't it be difficult for a mechanic to control a car at such a distance from the front of the BMP? Although undoubtedly the protection of the crew has become much higher. It’s time already to introduce generation in fighter jets. This scheme is clearly a new generation.
      1. Rex
        Rex April 22 2015 13: 49 New
        +6
        Wouldn't it be difficult for a mechanic to control a car at such a distance from the front of the BMP?
        On BMP-1/2 they coped somehow
  7. Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 April 22 2015 07: 42 New
    0
    Technology, as always, is ahead of the rest, the one who dictates fashion is the leader, but we are ahead but! everyone will have to reckon with us and equal.
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 April 22 2015 10: 29 New
      0
      Are you sure that the one who dictates the fashion didn’t mislead anything? All my life I thought that quality should come first, a good tank in itself cannot be wretched, but a fashionable tank is wretched ... it may well ..) )!
  8. NEXUS
    NEXUS April 22 2015 07: 43 New
    +2
    The parade on May 9 promises to be full of surprises, pleasant for us and not very pleasant for "them."
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 April 22 2015 10: 31 New
      +1
      Stop, we didn’t panic when the F-35 took off, it’s still to saw and saw, and the T-14 ... to saw and saw, in the good sense of the word ...)))!
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS April 22 2015 11: 25 New
        +3
        Quote: igorka357
        Stop it, we didn’t panic when the F-35 took off,

        surely, they didn’t rush. But you forgot about the rhetoric that the European countries and the United States are conducting today. The point is not in panic, but in the fact that “it is necessary to show the whole world that Russia is arming itself.” And once it is arming itself, then there is an evil in the Kremlin Putin. Who wants to crush everyone under him ... This is how the West will expose it. And countries such as Poland, Latvia, Estonia, the same Bulgaria will scream all over the world about Russian aggression and militarization.
        These are pure receptions of the information war which goes. Here I speak about what.
        1. igorka357
          igorka357 April 22 2015 12: 52 New
          +3
          In principle, you are right ..))!
  9. Kradi
    Kradi April 22 2015 07: 46 New
    0
    Spectacular ... Although I do not understand why BMP and Kurganets and Armata are needed? It is not better to make one, but unified.
    1. DarkRiver
      DarkRiver April 22 2015 08: 12 New
      +5
      They won’t do one, because it’s impossible to force a BMP weighing 40 tons to swim.
  10. USSR-2.0
    USSR-2.0 April 22 2015 07: 47 New
    -4
    God forbid that the characteristics of Almaty were up to the mark, but to be honest, it didn’t make an impression. In my opinion, they loafed with the design again. The computer sketches that I saw before the tank were much more impressive. Maybe someone thinks differently, but it’s my opinion. You can minus.
    1. ermolai
      ermolai April 22 2015 10: 15 New
      +5
      Quote: USSR-2.0
      In my opinion, again with the design

      Is it a passenger car? there is expediency. practicality. maintainability, and other rationality. it’s because tanks are not doing it for parades.
  11. Serega Valentinovich
    Serega Valentinovich April 22 2015 07: 49 New
    +3
    That’s because they teased me, I don’t remember so eagerly awaiting the parade. Would already be sooner!
  12. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 April 22 2015 08: 00 New
    11
    The cars planned for the show are likely to be equipped with combat modules with machine gun weapons, traditionally used in domestic armored personnel carriers.

    Yes, with the basic combat module, everything is just clear for a long time.

    Here it is, darling:



    1. vomag
      vomag April 22 2015 09: 51 New
      +6
      Almost sure OH! but I really want to cram 57mm into this module as much as the teeth bring haachuuu yes
      1. Imperial
        Imperial April 22 2015 11: 14 New
        +4
        Almost sure OH! but I really want to cram 57mm into this module as much as the teeth bring haachuuu
        Now they finish the telescope 45 mm
        Performance characteristics
        The gun - automatic, single-barrel with separate 2-sided feeding of cartridges
        two appointments
        Rate of fire, rds / min ........................................... .....................................

        ...... ... 150 ... 200
        The mass of the gun, kg .............................................. ..................................

        ...................... ... .. 300 ... 350
        Types of ammunition ... ........ ... .. cartridges with shells of armor-piercing and high-explosive fragmentation
        incendiary action in cartridges with a capacity of 4 and 5 rounds
        Cartridges ................................................. ...............................

        .......... unitary, telescopic
        Weight, kg ............................................... .................................

        ........................ 2,7 (OFZ); 3,6 (BPS)
        Shells - Rotation Stabilized
        Weight, kg ............................................... .................................

        ...................... 1,3 (OFZ); 0,67 (BPS)
        The mass of explosives, kg .............................................. ..................................

        ............................................. 0,17
        Core mass, kg .............................................. ..................................

        .................... 0,42 (BPS)
        The initial velocity of the projectile, m / s ........................................... .................. 1640 (BPS); 850 (OFZ)
        Penetration, mm - BPS 150 (D = 1500m)
    2. igorka357
      igorka357 April 22 2015 10: 33 New
      +2
      Uh ... please poke me with a face-face in machine-gun armament in this module itself ..)))?
      1. ComradE_AlekS
        ComradE_AlekS April 22 2015 11: 56 New
        +3
        Open the photo in a separate window and take a closer look ... To the right of the cannon and above the lantern there is such a small "hole" =)
        1. igorka357
          igorka357 April 22 2015 12: 55 New
          0
          And exactly hi , just to the left of the gun above the flashlight, there is a PKT for 2000 shots winked for sure!
  13. Boris55
    Boris55 April 22 2015 08: 00 New
    11
    The intrigue with disguise is heating up interest. God grant that reality coincides with expectations, and even better - surpasses them.
  14. nagel_Oz
    nagel_Oz April 22 2015 08: 16 New
    +4
    Well, to be more objective, "armata" is a universal platform. And of course, to bring it up and bring to mind. Starting from the maintenance fleet, ending with flaws that will inevitably come out during operation.
    The important thing is that all iron is unified. This is a very important aspect.
    From my point of view of military aesthetics, the "Kurgan" turned out to be charismatic, but the tank was somehow not very good. Probably, the sad experience of the expensive "Black Eagle" put pressure on the designers.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 April 22 2015 15: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: nagel_Oz
      but the tank is not very good.

      Then the logical question is - what do you think is "very"?
      Quote: nagel_Oz
      Probably, the sad experience of the expensive "Black Eagle" put pressure on the designers.

      "Black Eagle", let it be known to you, was just a movable model with a sawn T-80 chassis and a "plywood" tower installed on it with dummies of devices, a demonstration of what we do if we get money, and there are already a lot of cars rolling on testing grounds - the T-14 uses most of the developments (crew capsule, uninhabited tower) from the "Object 195" (which the people call the T-95), and it was well run in due time and brought to firing
  15. luiswoo
    luiswoo April 22 2015 08: 18 New
    +1
    According to reports, the basis for the Coalition-SV self-propelled gun was the modified chassis of the T-90 main tank. An original tower with a gun of the caliber 152 mm is installed on the shoulder strap of the case. Previously, information appeared on the work on creating an uninhabited tower, all units of which would work without the direct participation of the crew. The published photos show that the commander and driver of the self-propelled gun are located inside the hull. This fact can be considered confirmation of the creation of an uninhabited tower..

    They even intrigued why an uninhabited tower on the T-14 is needed, more or less clear. And here it looks like the same "barn" as on Msta - what's the point? Unification with a naval counterpart?
    1. Corsair
      Corsair April 22 2015 11: 00 New
      +4
      Quote: luiswoo
      They even intrigued why an uninhabited tower on the T-14 is needed, more or less clear. And here it looks like the same "barn" as on Msta - what's the point? Unification with a naval counterpart?

      Unification, plus the removal of powder gases is easier to do, there is no need to do charging safety, the BC is more convenient for AZs - it seems to me a lot of advantages, in the future the self-propelled guns will probably only be with a driver mechanic, and they will be fired automatically at target designations from command posts.
    2. gjv
      gjv April 22 2015 11: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: luiswoo
      why we need an uninhabited tower on the T-14 is more or less clear. And here it looks like the same "barn" as on Msta - what's the point?

      For example, to simplify the automatic loader and increase the ammunition load.
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  16. DPN
    DPN April 22 2015 08: 28 New
    -27
    Interestingly, if you show "Zhiguli" with a sheathed cabin and pass them off as a miracle that surpasses all BMWs and Mercedes, probably motorists will be very pleased with our car industry. In the UNION the parade was held without covers as you know !! Probably disguised noodles.
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 April 22 2015 09: 59 New
      14
      Quote...
      IN THE UNION, the parade was hosted as you know !!

      Victory Parade will be held on May 9 and then the equipment will be already without covers. Nonsense does not need to write ... hi
    2. igorka357
      igorka357 April 22 2015 10: 36 New
      +4
      Perhaps you are a narrow-minded, limited person ...! How I rose to the rank of general, I do not understand!
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    4. gjv
      gjv April 22 2015 12: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: DPN
      Interestingly, if you show "Zhiguli" with a sheathed cabin and pass them off as a miracle that surpasses all BMWs and Mercedes, probably motorists will be very pleased with our car industry.

      I also remember the Soviet Union kindly! However, everything has its own time and attitude (including personal).
      “Niva” was never sold abroad in the same form and in the same configuration as on the domestic market, in the USSR. There they put a high roof on it, widened rims, special tires, panoramic mirrors, rear wipers (they weren’t on our first cars). It was repainted, moldings glued to it, and the interior was altered. The rear seats were made folding, the front - anatomical. The cars were equipped with hatches, wheel arch extensions, other radiator grills, winches. On the "Niva" put the protection of headlights, foglights, kenguryatniki, steps ... And that's all - twenty years ago ...
      And today, BMW and others like them already have Euro-5. request
      Quote: DPN
      IN THE UNION, the parade was hosted as you know !! This is probably noodles disguised.

      "Ideals" are not perfect. There were also "foams" in the UNION. yes In the parades on Red Square on May 9, 1965 and 1966, dummies or operating models of ICBMs GR-1 (8K713) and RT-20 (8K99) and RSD RT-15 (8K96) took part, which, neither then nor in the future, were adopted for service. Therefore, be patient - they will uncover, pass, test, finalize - all the processes are still natural. And the data on the "hardness of the noodles" - in general secret - state secret! soldier
  17. Olga Samoilova
    Olga Samoilova April 22 2015 08: 58 New
    +3
    I liked the tour. Thank you!
  18. Falcon
    Falcon April 22 2015 08: 58 New
    0
    Well, finally waited!

    Where is the third hatch on the Armata tank? There should be three crew members. How in case of emergency to leave the tank with three of the two hatches? Or didn’t I just see it?

    Big uninhabited tower then. I was always wondering what to do when jamming the automatic loader if there is absolutely no access from the crew compartment to the tower?

    Quote: Nikita Dmitriev
    Active protection, when triggered, injures or shell-shock troops landing next to the machine. One of the problems of active defense is that it becomes dangerous for infantry to be near equipment. Therefore, they are going to put it only on tanks, because infantry usually moves either in front or behind at a distance of 100-300m, and not next to tanks.


    I do not agree with you. On Kurganets there is a DZ along the entire length of the side, but on the BMP Armata not? what is the logic? I want to remind you that the lack of remote sensing is one of the reasons why our infantry rides on armor and not inside the BMP. Since RPG is already in every dog.
    1. tchoni
      tchoni April 22 2015 09: 42 New
      -10
      Where did you see DZ on the kurgan throughout the board?
      1. Falcon
        Falcon April 22 2015 09: 54 New
        +1
        And what's that? Cast steel screen? Such a thickness, he alone will weigh 25 tons and not the whole machine
        1. tchoni
          tchoni April 22 2015 11: 33 New
          +3
          Are you sure that this is DZ and not multi-layer screens ?. So, I would do smaller and unified blocks of DZ on the site of the designer. And here the sections are huge, and the unification does not smell much .... So, most likely these are multilayer screens .....
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak April 22 2015 14: 38 New
            +6
            Are you sure that this is DZ and not multi-layer screens?

            This is armor and floats in one bottle. It is not known exactly what is inside, but there was information that these side "screens" also provide buoyancy to the Kurgan. I don't know if they left it in the final version or not.
            1. Falcon
              Falcon April 22 2015 15: 20 New
              +1
              And how can armor also provide buoyancy? Are there any hints on how to implement this? What is there a sealed cavity for pumping air?
              1. tchoni
                tchoni April 22 2015 15: 29 New
                +4
                Quote: Falcon
                And how can armor also provide buoyancy? Are there any hints on how to implement this? What is there a sealed cavity for pumping air?

                Do you know that polyethylene disperses the cumulative stream perfectly? So in the screens, most likely a layered cake made of polymers (possibly foamed), steel, and possibly also ceramics.
                In the photo, the T-72 frontal armor layer cake
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 April 22 2015 21: 57 New
              +1
              These blocks are mounted combined armor.
          2. Falcon
            Falcon April 22 2015 15: 19 New
            +3
            Quote: tchoni
            Are you sure that this is DZ and not multi-layer screens ?. So, I would do smaller and unified blocks of DZ on the site of the designer. And here the sections are huge, and the unification does not smell much .... So, most likely these are multilayer screens .....


            No one can be sure. But only multilayer screens should also be unified, aren't they?
            How should it be constructive then? You can install ceramics against the commemorative shells, but why then a screen of such a thickness?
            1. tchoni
              tchoni April 22 2015 15: 33 New
              +4
              Quote: Falcon
              No one can be sure. But only multilayer screens should also be unified, aren't they?

              The cumulative screen is able to withstand multiple hits. It does not tear from the inside like a DZ, and damage from a cumulative jet is usually small. (CM photo) If it is not massive enough, it can of course be frustrated by an explosion, but I am afraid that this is not the case of Kurgan.
              It can be repaired in principle even in the field ... Welding would be at hand.
              http://alternathistory.org.ua/files/users/user3015/abrams_2003_demage_rpg_iraq_1
              m120rpg20hit220copyfe9.jpg
        2. tchoni
          tchoni April 22 2015 12: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: Falcon
          And what's that? Cast steel screen? Such a thickness, he alone will weigh 25 tons and not the whole machine

          For nearly 20 years, they have not made serious protection out of cast steel. Protection is supposed in the first place. from cumulative ammunition. And in this case, multilayer barriers work much better than homogeneous ones.
    2. bolat19640303
      bolat19640303 April 22 2015 10: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: Falcon
      Where is the third hatch on the Armata tank? There should be three crew members. How in case of emergency to leave the tank with three of the two hatches? Or didn’t I just see it?

      Well, maybe like on T-54 tanks (55,62). And how does the T-64 driver-driver (72,80,90) leave the car in an emergency, if the gun is above the m / v hatch and the stabilizer does not work due to damage to the machine? That's right - a spare hatch. It is most likely impossible to place a third hatch on the T-14 - the lack of sufficient space, a critical weakening of the upper armor plate.

      Quote: Falcon
      I do not agree with you. On Kurganets there is a DZ along the entire length of the side, but on the BMP Armata not? what is the logic? I want to remind you that the lack of remote sensing is one of the reasons why our infantry rides on armor and not inside the BMP. Since RPG is already in every dog.


      Everything is true on the T-15 DZ only in the area of ​​the landing.
      1. Falcon
        Falcon April 22 2015 10: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: bolat19640303
        Everything is true on the T-15 DZ only in the area of ​​the landing.


        I think the landing squad there is much more. See where the driver and commander are.
        It turns out that DZ closes about half of the landing squad.
        Well, MTO also needs to be closed, I think, at least with lattice screens. And then the first shot in the MTO, and then, like grass, you can mow the troops, which will sprinkle from the back door.
        1. Deaddakon
          Deaddakon April 22 2015 19: 19 New
          +1
          They didn’t put half the DZ simply))) By the parade will be installed wink
        2. figwam
          figwam April 22 2015 21: 43 New
          +8
          nikolaxp uploaded the photo in full body kit, moved higher for comparison, beauty.
      2. Falcon
        Falcon April 22 2015 10: 22 New
        0
        Quote: bolat19640303
        Everything is true on the T-15 DZ only in the area of ​​the landing.

        And on the Kurganese DZ the whole board is closed
        1. vagabo
          vagabo April 22 2015 10: 52 New
          +2
          On a heavy infantry fighting vehicle, kmk, the possibility of installing remote sensing almost throughout the board is laid.
          1. Hairy Siberian
            Hairy Siberian April 22 2015 11: 24 New
            +4
            Quote: Falcon
            And what's that? Cast steel screen? Such a thickness, he alone will weigh 25 tons and not the whole machine

            Yes, it’s hardly made of monolithic steel. Most likely it’s just an anti-cumulative screen.
            By the way, during the Great Patriotic War, the Krasnoye Sormovo Plant produced 68 T-34 tanks, the hulls and tower of which were equipped with bulwarks. They were supposed to protect the tanks from German HEAT shells. However, it was not possible to verify this - in the very first battle, almost all the combat vehicles shielded in this way were knocked out by ordinary armor-piercing shells of the enemy's 75-mm anti-tank guns. After that, the venture with screens was abandoned.
            T-34 with airborne and additional reservation. Models are made according to the drawings and photographs of the approved model.

    3. tchoni
      tchoni April 22 2015 11: 39 New
      +4
      Quote: Falcon
      I do not agree with you. On Kurganets there is a DZ along the entire length of the side, but on the BMP Armata not? what is the logic?

      Just on the BMP "Armata" it looks like a DZ (although I'm not sure, it is possible that the screens are) ... unlike the "kurganets" And the fact that not on the whole board - most likely they simply did not hang. There are fastenings for this case.
      1. Imperial
        Imperial April 22 2015 11: 52 New
        +8
        So I would do smaller and unified DZ blocks in place of the designer
        It’s good that you are not a constructor. Everything has already been worked out, DZ blocks on Kurganets are united in sections, and are descendants of this
        http://wartime.org.ua/uploads/posts/2013-04/1365613560_7.jpg
        1. tchoni
          tchoni April 22 2015 12: 51 New
          -1
          Quote: Imperial
          It’s good that you are not a constructor. Everything has already been worked out, the DZ blocks on Kurganets are united in sections,

          So what. Now produce a separate DZ for BMP, for a tank, for another, I don’t know, there are self-propelled guns .... You think.
          And why should they be combined in a section? What would one meter leave the board without protection?
          Quote: Imperial
          http://[b]wartime.org.ua/uploads/posts/2013-04/1365613560_7.jpg

          And since when did Ukrainians become a developer of domestic products for you? or you Cossacks mishandled http: // [b] [b] wartime.org.ua [/ b] /uploads/posts/2013-04/1365613560_7.jpg?
          And what do these pictures prove? Besides the fact that the Reich is eternal, and the Fuhrer is great?
          Here's how, I mean a photo of a three-ruble note, since everything is standardized in size. There are 2 types of containers on the face, unified by fixtures and dimensions. You can put at least a tank at least somewhere else.
          There are at least 9 types of panels on "Kurgan" (the left and right bow panels will be different). And you can't slap them anywhere other than Kurgan. So, my dear, these are screens ... they can withstand multiple hits, they are repaired with the help of improvised means, they are safe for the surrounding infantry (and "Kurganets" is an infantry fighting vehicle), which is running alongside, which is sitting on the armor ...
          1. Imperial
            Imperial April 22 2015 14: 44 New
            +3
            And since when did Ukrainians become a developer of domestic products for you? or you Cossack mishandled
            oh you))) and you didn’t know whether ours was unsent, that there was cooperation between Russia and Ukraine earlier, or it’s a mystery to you that the bourgeois matrix engines and a whole bunch of things were delivered, now, thank God, a replacement has gone, and you’re the smartest, read why the size of the dz for the bmp-bmd is so large, google to help, PS))) And the last such a filler, taking into account the WEIGHT, can withstand not only ptur, but at least rpg.
            1. tchoni
              tchoni April 22 2015 16: 05 New
              0
              Quote: Imperial
              And the last what kind of filler, taking into account the WEIGHT, can withstand not only Ptur, but at least RPG.

              For example, foamed polymer with steel spacers .... Or interspersed with ceramics ...
              I don’t know, I did not do these screens. But the fact that this is not DZ is almost 100%
              Quote: Imperial
              We didn’t know whether you were unsent, that there was cooperation between Russia and Ukraine before, or it’s a mystery to you that the bourgeois matrix engines and a whole bunch of things were supplied

              There is no secret, just as not a secret, and the fact that the Ukrainians, not relying on their MO, tried to sell their "knife" to ours, while "Contacts" tried to sell their BTR-4, TBMP based on 64 and much more.
              By the way, what’s in the photo is a development of the Omsk KBTM .... Although the pictures were taken from a hohlosite, where this was compared with a knife.
              1. Imperial
                Imperial April 22 2015 17: 21 New
                +1
                For example, foamed polymer with steel spacers .... Or interspersed with ceramics ...
                With such dimensions, the weight for the floating machine will be limited, Puff watermark, which is visible in mm 587, but how much it takes there, remember.
                By the way, what’s in the photo is a development of the Omsk KBTM .... Although the pictures were taken from a hohlosite, where this was compared with a knife
                . I didn’t climb sites, I read about it for a long time, and I took the first thing that came across the hosting not to break my ears. Nobody was going to take a knife. They immediately rejected it. And the fact that we have listed whether it’s us Ukrainians wanted to vparit, it’s the fake that launched the baron and the like. By cooperation, we took what we needed, and not the barons' Wishlist.
                1. Imperial
                  Imperial April 22 2015 17: 37 New
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                  Here DZ "DUPLET" - a way to a dead end http://vpk.name/news/126063_dz_duplet__put_v_tupik.html Everything is clearly described about g.onozh
                2. tchoni
                  tchoni April 22 2015 19: 58 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Imperial
                  With such dimensions, the weight for the floating machine will be limited, Puff watermark, which is visible in mm 587, but how much it takes there, remember.

                  Well, here, options are possible. For example, if a cumulative jet enters a liquid medium (well, or a pseudo-liquid one, for example polyethylene), which is locked in a confined space. There is a very interesting effect. A shock wave diverging from the head of a cumulative jet is reflected from the walls and erodes the main stream. The effect is a reduction in the penetration ability of the jet to 40%.
                  Maybe this principle works in the screens of Kurganets. In combination with their not small thickness, most of the cumulative ammunition will be neutralized by them.
                  In general - I guess, like you. There is no reliable infa. Only these screens are also positioned as a means of increasing buoyancy (at least such a wiretap is on the network). And for the first time, something similar, by the way, appeared on the BMP-3
                  1. Imperial
                    Imperial April 22 2015 20: 29 New
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                    Here are the goodies that we quarrel over trifles drinks what is unknown to us, but about buoyancy, the dz block for BMP is tight and although it weighs 2 pounds, but there is enough emptiness there, maybe the dz blocks and filled it with polyethylene in sections? why am I so skeptical about the puff composite in Kurgan, it's weight. remember a carrot, in fact a pressed textolite with sand was called the composite word with a buzzword, does it hold a blow that’s the tenth thing, but the weight of the carrot, intent .. it rolls over.
                    1. tchoni
                      tchoni April 23 2015 08: 39 New
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                      Okay drinks . We’ll wait and see what they instructed there, maybe sooner or later these devices will enter the troops.
                  2. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 April 22 2015 22: 09 New
                    +1
                    But this protection from tandem grenades and missiles will not save, but it will save the layered arrangement of heavy-duty steel plates with short-term tensile strength of 1900 MPa with an air gap between the plates - only this protection has a big minus, it is heavy.
    4. Nikita Dmitriev
      Nikita Dmitriev April 23 2015 13: 32 New
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      In my understanding, this is not an active defense, but a passive one. By active protection, I mean automation that affects shells BEFORE touching the armor.
    5. cast iron
      cast iron April 25 2015 22: 39 New
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      Abrams has 3 hatches, and the crew is 4 people. There are 34 hatches on the T-85/3, and a crew of 5 people. On the Is-3 there are 3 hatches, and the crew is 4 people. There are objective circumstances in which it is impossible to design 3 hatches without affecting other structural elements of the tank. Something has to be sacrificed in the end. A tank is a complete compromise.

      But I was always interested in what the crew in the T-72 would do when the AZ jammed. Will they really do 1 shot in 5 minutes? Yah? I do not believe. Most likely they will try to leave the battlefield and to repair immediately under their own power.
  19. Falcon
    Falcon April 22 2015 09: 02 New
    -4
    Coalition-sv certainly surprised. What is called find 10 differences from Msta. For an uninhabited tower, of course it’s big. And why on the basis of t-90 again it is not clear.
    1. Stone
      Stone April 22 2015 14: 19 New
      +2
      The Armata platform has not been finished yet, so it is all the more likely that it will be exported on the T-90 platform in this form, since they are not planning to export the Armata.
      The larger the tower, the more shells will enter it wink
  20. vagabo
    vagabo April 22 2015 09: 10 New
    -3
    Over the angles of inclination of the front sheets of Almaty, designers would have to think something else.
    Heavy BMP looks better in this regard.
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 April 22 2015 10: 50 New
      +3
      And also tell them ... let them come up with an intergalactic cruiser-tank "Armatilion" and let the tilt angles of the nuclear armor be wrapped up ...)))! Che for nonsense, write, what do you think of a tank in a modern conflict, someone in the forehead hollow with a blank it will be, with the effectiveness of foreign PTS, ricochets are not in trend ..))! And probably no worse than you, the designer and engineers racked their brains, not you, advise them!
      1. vagabo
        vagabo April 25 2015 14: 02 New
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        Well, certainly not for you to be rude to me!
  21. tchoni
    tchoni April 22 2015 09: 40 New
    +2
    Pleases. New technology is good.
    The only thing that I did not understand in the line is the Kurgan. If you made TBMP on the basis of "Armata" and a medium wheeled armored personnel carrier (BMP) - "Boomerang" ... Why is it needed? It is not entirely clear. in terms of price, it will be closer to "armature" in terms of mobility characteristics, the same. In terms of security, it will be sharply inferior .... An increase in the series could significantly reduce the cost of "armature"
    But. to them at the headquarters - we know better - we’ll wait and see what’s what.
  22. gorsten79
    gorsten79 April 22 2015 09: 53 New
    +1
    Our bosses from the Moscow Region were not tired of perverting the star. Or there’s nothing more to do. At the Victory Day parade, you could also draw the Soviet guard signs for veterans.
    1. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 April 22 2015 11: 20 New
      +1
      That's right. I just think the Guards badge is a distinctive emblem of a particular combat unit, and the new technology, as I think, has not yet been assigned to any of the well-known guard units. But I could agree to the Victory Parade!
  23. rasul
    rasul April 22 2015 10: 19 New
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    Armata turned out higher than t-72 and t-90
  24. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 April 22 2015 10: 29 New
    +5
    A bunch of comments ..... as expected, whatever they say, but a breakthrough in technology has occurred. Guys, remember about 10 years ago, we could dream about it. We expected that our troops would at least change into normal uniforms, so that the equipment would be updated, the planes would fly more often ... and the fleet in general ... and now we are together discussing completely new equipment. We can be proud of the country for sure! soldier
  25. Rex
    Rex April 22 2015 10: 37 New
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    Here we had active tankers .. Maybe they will tell
    What is the T-14 on the frontal?
  26. PhilFilych
    PhilFilych April 22 2015 10: 43 New
    +2
    I really like the boomerang, even what they showed looks cool
  27. kralya.artyom
    kralya.artyom April 22 2015 10: 51 New
    +1
    You guys noticed that the Armata infantry fighting vehicle is the Armata tank, only the BACK, it goes backwards. Thus, the engine and the leading rollers are in front, at the place of the ammunition, the crew, and the landing in the stern, I do not even know how they could with a single platform. And yet, in Armat’s tank, the armor stands for the front rollers, how can it overcome a meter-long concrete barrier, or what is it not suitable for a tank biathlon ...!? I think the whole external dodger on Armata is a props or because they didn’t have time to finish or declassify it, it was made very plywood, there were cracks, holes, gaps dancing.
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    2. gjv
      gjv April 22 2015 12: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: kralya.artyom
      And yet, in Armat’s tank, the armor stands for the front rollers, how can he overcome a meter-long concrete barrier,

      Looking at the photo, there is a front overhang height of 1030 mm. So the caterpillar will meet the concrete before the "wing". It should be success in overcoming!
  28. Tusv
    Tusv April 22 2015 11: 38 New
    +2
    I’m interested in C350E - Vityaz’s interest in air defense. In the pictures and TTX it is super killer.
  29. htlernjh
    htlernjh April 22 2015 11: 49 New
    +3
    I am proud of this technique. We are all well done! I’m waiting for the parade. I don’t know how she will behave in the war, and we would all better not know this. We will be better. It’s a pity that the dark world forces will again burrow into our wealth. (Although we are personally rich, so are the Holodians by and large ) But this is not important, we will not give it to anyone. A native Racea country would live and there are no other worries! Of course I do not want to fight, but if we are again forced to. Although we ourselves are to blame: weakened ourselves with all kinds of moronic reforms and perestroika. They allowed the slack for their guides, and they are glad to rob the people's good. And the enemy is not asleep. Any void is filled first of all with shit, then it is truly dissolved. This is the fate of all shit. It will be like this now: all the shit that has surfaced in Russia will dissolve. The Russians on Okrin should be helped to dissolve the Bender enthous. It hurt him a lot there.
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  31. vkl-47
    vkl-47 April 22 2015 13: 40 New
    +2
    maybe a car with such screens is not so pretty, but you’ll stay alive. The main thing in the war is practicality and not aesthetics. And why did you get that tanks and other cars are raw ??? this is TANK !!! and not a car. it’s a chisel on caterpillars. the main thing is that he can and not how he looks. before the parade they will add a couple of body kits to wash and there will be type top
  32. rennim
    rennim April 22 2015 15: 45 New
    -1
    I didn’t like the wheel platform. I don’t know what the designers were guided by, but the experience of past cars was forgotten. I’m talking about the bow. If the car was intended only for movement on dry land, this form is possible. However, if it is supposed to overcome water barriers, you need a nose shape like the old armored personnel carriers . I say that the running gear is not covered by wave reflectors formed by the bow as for example. on BTR-80, etc. The suspension here (suspension arms) is completely open to water, which creates additional resistance for movement on water.
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    2. gjv
      gjv April 22 2015 16: 09 New
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      Quote: rennim
      The suspension here (suspension arms) is completely open to water

      And not only for water, but also for mines, fragments ...
      However, there was information that Boomerang was a private initiative of the Military Industrial Company LLC. And the acceptance of this Boomer into service is allegedly in question.
    3. gjv
      gjv April 23 2015 16: 46 New
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      Quote: rennim
      I did not like the wheel platform. I do not know what the designers were guided by

      Very similar to the French VBCI.
    4. gjv
      gjv April 23 2015 16: 46 New
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      Quote: rennim
      I did not like the wheel platform. I do not know what the designers were guided by

      Very similar to the French VBCI.
  33. avia12005
    avia12005 April 22 2015 16: 07 New
    +2
    Quote: blizart
    After all, from the taiga to the British seas
    The Red Army is the strongest.

    Let the enemy who has taken refuge in an ambush know, we are on the alert, we are following the enemy, we don’t want Washington not even an inch, but we will not give up our land. Hello Bardak on Babs!
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    2. gjv
      gjv April 22 2015 16: 15 New
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      Quote: avia12005
      Hi Bardak on Babam!

      Aha , Hello. And the "red stump" in !
  34. Free wind
    Free wind April 22 2015 16: 13 New
    +2
    BMP really liked. To deploy the car, at the previous gearbox is very difficult, did the reverse appear ?. I am for!!!!! I would like that our cars would drive faster in reverse.
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    2. gjv
      gjv April 22 2015 16: 17 New
      +2
      Quote: Free Wind
      To deploy the car, at the previous gearbox is very difficult, did the reverse appear ?.

      Apparently hydrostatic transmission brought to mind. fellow
  35. AlexG83
    AlexG83 April 22 2015 17: 14 New
    +2
    Quote: Sergey Sitnikov
    the lack of a familiar DZ on Armata somehow cuts the eye, the tank looks rustic, but maybe this is what indicates the presence of Active Defense?


    On the contrary, it is now implemented correctly, it can be said perfectly. What looks rustic is just that there is nothing superfluous, this is not a New Year tree at the end of the race :)). Let it look at least like a brick, the main thing is to fulfill its functions.
  36. Sam-07
    Sam-07 April 22 2015 18: 10 New
    +6
    Comrades, video training parade in Alabino pleasantly rumble))
    1. eplewke
      eplewke April 23 2015 00: 44 New
      +2
      Great video! I heard a lot of opinions about clumsy armata, but it looks great to me !!!
  37. Bogatyr
    Bogatyr April 22 2015 18: 35 New
    +1
    My opinion is the only thing that will come into service in the near future is the coalition-sv, since the rest do not seem to be completed yet. And rumor has it that the equipment wedged during training at the Almaty, the tower did not obey
    1. tchoni
      tchoni April 22 2015 20: 04 New
      +2
      My friend after 500 km of march and in the ass worked out, thoroughly understandable 72-ki wedge and fail.
      Do you think during the rehearsal of the parade (and they traditionally begin to rehearse it after February 23), less than 1000 were turned up?
      So if these things just go through the parade, then it’s worth it.
  38. nikolaxp
    nikolaxp April 22 2015 20: 43 New
    +5
    In the photo BMP "Armata" is not in full body kit. And here is a photo with all the buns, you still have to remove the case and you can enjoy the view ...
  39. toad
    toad April 22 2015 22: 41 New
    +1
    When I served on the BMD-3, there were only rumors that now the BMD-4. It is a pity that you can not try it on the go. Sad
  40. lordhigh
    lordhigh April 23 2015 17: 12 New
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    Che they turned out to be large
  41. beldiver
    beldiver April 23 2015 18: 39 New
    0
    I would like to see intercontinental installations with nuclear ammunition !!! This would greatly hang our western partners !!!
  42. Sloavaros
    Sloavaros April 24 2015 03: 07 New
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    Secret information is secret, so that all of our ill-wishers ofigel, when they recognize the real power of Russian weapons !!!
  43. zlobnyN
    zlobnyN 7 May 2015 13: 46 New
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    Excellent article, thank you!