The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation presented images of "Almaty", "Boomeranga" and "Kurgants-25"

On a specially created Online The Russian Defense Ministry, which is dedicated to the upcoming 9 Victory Parade on May 2015, showed high-quality images of military equipment that will participate in an event taken in Alabino near Moscow during one of the rehearsals, reports blog Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.

Among others, there are photographs of new military equipment on the Kurganets-25, Armata and Boomerang platforms.

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[maxxlll]

Lepota !!!!

[jjj]

They promised - fulfill. Pleasant and calmer

[aktanir]

All the same, the appearance of the tank was not impressed, sorry. Even the latest modification of the T-90 - "Tagil", looks much more advantageous. I don’t understand why the uninhabited tower turned out to be so large. Apparently, it was not possible to make the automatic loader more compact, no? Anything will "catch" such a tower. Even the habitable tower of the modernized Merkava looks much more meaningful, very flat, smooth and original.
In any case, I really want to listen to the developers and see the tank not at the Parade, but in practice - somewhere at the training ground. In my opinion, they openly hastened to show him on the main square of the country, chasing PR.

[Fin]

Quote: aktanir

the view is much more meaningful, very flat, smooth and original.

You have not beguiled with the Detroit Auto Show?

[aktanir]

I am not attracted to cars in car dealerships, I am talking about military equipment and admit that I am not an expert in these matters. If there is something to fend off, then speak on the matter, and not be bluntly malicious.
There is another question about the appearance of the T-14 at the Victory Parade. On what basis is this done? The technique has not really been tested yet and no one has proven that it is anything better than at least its Russian predecessors. They stupidly want to put it on display only because it is new ??? Hardly rolled off the assembly line? At the Victory Parade should appear weapons models tested by testing, time, training grounds, etc., and not prototypes. You need to be realistic, not braggarts.

[perfect100]

Yes? We are armed with fully tested and t-64 and t-62 and btr-70 and bmp-1 - an excellent proven technique ... drive them to the parade?

[aktanir]

You still remember about the carts, as if you didn’t understand what I mean

[taram taramych]

You propose to warm up some kind of "war", splashing there "carosin", for the sake of testing in real life. This is a platform, a carrier, you can stick around with any bells and whistles.

[Archon]

generally dangerous. they can steal a tank and everything will be bad

[Archon]

But what, the tank is impossible to capture in your opinion? he is not magical and has his own margin of safety.

[Baatyr]

New pictures

[ArhipenkoAndrey]

And why remember, you propose to crank it up. But when I first saw the KA-50 helicopter, after the Mi-24 it seemed a pale moth, but we know that this is not so, in general we will see.

[Baatyr]

And here’s a heavy BMP from a different angle and with awnings

[father nikon]

BMP in the kit - a sight for sore eyes!

[Andrey Skokovsky]

Quote: aktanir

You still remember about the carts, as if you didn’t understand what I mean

for this purpose they bring the latest technology to parades so that in battle you don’t have to pour iron over with blood
to him, there was no battle at all
for some reason I’m afraid you don’t understand ...

[Jovanny]

I have to talk about the same thing, so as not to bring to war.

[papas-57]

`` for this, they bring the latest technology to parades so that in battle it is not necessary to pour blood on iron. '' Generally, for this there are range and military tests, not parades. And at the parades, they show a new technique for intimidating and disinforming potential opponents. Comrade Stalin was a great expert in these matters. And this year they decided to show a new technique to calm the inhabitants of Russia. So that everyone could see that not all the money was stolen, something remained for new equipment. In single copies.

[papas-57]

`` for this, they bring the latest technology to parades so that in battle it is not necessary to pour blood on iron. '' Generally, for this there are range and military tests, not parades. And at the parades, they show a new technique for intimidating and disinforming potential opponents. Comrade Stalin was a great expert in these matters. And this year they decided to show a new technique to calm the inhabitants of Russia. So that everyone could see that not all the money was stolen, something remained for new equipment. In single copies.

[OlegLex]

You need to be realistic, not braggarts.

I really did not understand what you mean. Either I didn’t like that something else doesn’t look advantageous, while you yourself write that you don’t understand the issue. here I’m a man who has been sitting at the levers for more than one year, saying that I liked the appearance and liked it, and the machine gun with its own armor and a non-residential tower (I would recommend that you stay in the tower after a dozen shots when no hood can handle it) And how is it actually the battle will show.

[Aqela]

The person simply confused the "Military Parade" and the Victory Day parade. You can give a lot of examples from the history of the USSR and the Russian Federation, when in the Victory Parade or on the anniversary of the October Revolution, completely experimental or just put into service items of equipment took part. The same M-50, M3, MiG-9 ... Yes, a lot more ...

[Archon]

horses are the most proven!))

[Rex]

The technique has not really been tested and proven by anyone,
I’m talking about military equipment and I admit that I’m not an expert in these matters.
Okay, but what are the tests of conventional technology? Before the announcement and to the salons?
The manufacturer is experiencing. Long and hard.
With a tank, infantry fighting vehicle, gun ... the same with any weapon. Before something gets on state tests, manages to go through hundreds, if not thousands of hours of "running-in" in the factory.

[aktanir]

Many just do not have such information at all. That is, that the T-14 was intensively tested somewhere. The only thing that was told was how super-duper-innovative it will be (at least fill up with such information), and not what it actually is.

[Rex]

Many just do not have such information at all. That is, that the T-14 was intensively tested somewhere.

Ie these many it is believed that the "birth" of the tank is as follows:
- one factory made a gun, never fired from it and sent it to a tank factory;
- the second made the armor, not once firing at it, sent it there too;
and also with sights, DZ, KAZ, engines.
At the head plant, they quickly gathered everything in a heap, drove a couple of kilometers and sent it to state tests.
"They do not have information", "was intensively tested somewhere" - was there information where and how the iPhone-6 was intensively tested?

[core]

about iPhone cool screwed. smiled!

[Aqela]

Well, apparently, aktanir's position is based on these assumptions, but with one amendment. Namely: it is advisable to report to him personally about each stage of the development and army tests for approval and approval. Shy girl like this

[glasha3032]

in Russia, the main testing center of BT is the Cuban Research Institute of BT. All armored passes tests there. In 2014 there was-SILENCE! THAT SOMETIMES drove, from a rapid-fire (hooh how fast-shot!) machine gunshot and no more ... In 2013, the same ...

[Twilight]

It's just interesting that factory landfills no longer work or they were stupidly * sold * in your opinion ... Although the respected Russia-2 sometimes look there sometimes * nonexistent * landfills seem))))

[ArhipenkoAndrey]

Do you work for the CIA? Are you up to date with all state tests? Oh, don’t make the people nervous with your CIA knowledge, the tests are underway, by the way they are already military, but what you don’t know, these are your problems.

[romandostalo]

Well, there is elementary secrecy. I won’t be surprised if something else just stuck there.

[passerby1]

Forgot to report to you where and how this tank is tested and the results of these tests at the same time. We will correct, report. Allow to execute?

[Aqela]

and he was like "well, I haven't decided yet!"

at the same time, everyone needs to "get into the fringes and look dashing and silly!"

[Koshak]

Quote: aktanir

Many just do not have such information at all. That is, that the T-14 was intensively tested somewhere. The only thing that was told was how super-duper-innovative it will be (at least fill up with such information), and not what it actually is.

Can you still lay out daily reports on the progress of testing on Facebook?

[glasha3032]

After running in the factory, running in Kubinka! Not much will seem!

[Zionist 9]

the weapon of our victories

[Zionist 9]

the weapon of our victories

[silver_roman]

Quote: aktanir

At the Victory Parade should appear weapons models tested by testing, time, training grounds, etc., and not prototypes. You need to be realistic, not braggarts.

and where did you get that it should be verified? Are there any written rules on this?
By exhibiting the latest advanced technology at the parade, we kind of hint to our "friends" that Russia is developing, that we have a huge potential in technology, we make it clear that we are a great Power that is capable of creating unique samples. And Armata is unique today.
War is sometimes won without starting. So it is with aggression. Military parades and enormous military exercises are far from being held solely for the sake of perfecting skills. Also, raising morale among the population and allies. This is all extremely important!
So your skepticism is not appropriate.

[rimys2220]

The Presidents of IRAQ AND LIVIA, as well as Milosevic also made parades and where are they now? Are you all stoned by the Kremlin prapogandy In 1941, too, was a cap-bail and that showed the beginning of the war .............. There is a saying who the old will remember that voice over and whoever forgets both translates it for brakes. Who forgets the lessons of history is blind to both eyes.

[silver_roman]

stupid analogy. and the presidents of Iraq and Libya were with noses and ears, which makes them look like Putin. So what? Now this means that we will suffer the fate of these countries?
Do you know that more than once the exercises of the USSR saved the world from a nuclear attack by NATO? recall even the most ambitious teachings of 80 years. Then everything was raised to their ears. They cooled the ardor of the atlantists and honed them for their skill.
And what does the Kremlin propaganda have to do with it? How is this connected with the victory parade? in short, Troll, come out. I see no reason to waste time on you.

[ungeheuer12]

but what do we have a holy Putin or something? over there Vasiliev was acquitted, the shame of this power! —thieves grin, they don’t judge such people ...

[rJIiOK]

You, citizen, do not skip from topic to topic, according to the previous one, as I understand it, there is nothing to answer.

[silver_roman]

Michael, creatures like ungeheuer12 have one goal: to throw in more dirt, and let the people digest it. and IT looks from the side.
Here is an example for you from "enlightened" Europe: they don't savor bad news for weeks like we do. Shown in short, that's all. We have all these poison the soul for sooo long and this has its own strength. And THIS (ungeheuer12) is its derivative. So I advise you to just add SUCH to the blacklist. I have it already crammed with a similar rabble. Good luck

I would also advise admins to ban by ip addresses. It is very easy to recognize him, and if he is a couch "warrior", then he will not enter again without changing the provider or ip. Unless of course it's static

[silver_roman]

Although a correction to his words. I thought about it
ban on ip is stupid, because I’m sitting right now from a working computer and the ip address for everyone is the same - external. If they ban me, then they can ban our whole company. So I take my words back!

[silver_roman]

I don’t quite understand, am I skipping from topic to topic?

[core]

apparently there was nothing to plant, so they didn’t plant it. and all the noise from the generals and their wounded pride. as they say in a thief, the hat is on.

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: ungeheuer12

Vaughan Vaughan justified, the shame of this government!

I’m not protecting anyone, BUT the brain sometimes needs to be turned on - in our country there are three INDEPENDENT branches of government - executive, judicial, legislative. And the president (surprise-surprise) does not lead the judiciary (in theory, he cannot even influence it).

[Aqela]

Well, to understand this, you need to know at least something and periodically turn on the brain ...

[Aqela]

Well, the family of Nicholas II, in general, was all officially declared one martyr by one choch first, and then - saints. And how much was stolen under them, and the fact that his inept rule caused two revolutions and a bloody civil war is all kind of sideways.
You, my dear man, besides the princes Vladimir Monomakh and Alexander Nevsky, still call the rulers recognized as saints?
I will allow myself quotes:

The rules that guided the Russian Orthodox Church in classifying ascetics as saints, in general terms, resemble the rules of the Church of Constantinople. “The main criterion for canonization was the gift of miracles manifested during the life or death of a saint, and in some cases the presence of incorruptible remains. The canonization itself had three types. Along with the faces of the saints according to the nature of their church service (martyrs, saints, reverends, etc.), the saints in the Russian Church also differed in the prevalence of their veneration - local temple, local duchy and nationwide ”

http://aliom.orthodoxy.ru/arch/021/021-tert_kanon.htm

Canonization has always been conceived by the church consciousness as a fact of manifestation in the Church of the holiness of God, acting through the blessed ascetic of piety. Therefore, at all times, the main condition for glorification was the manifestation of genuine sanctification, holiness of the righteous. Metropolitan Juvenaly of Krutitsy and Kolomna, in his report at the Local Council of the Russian Orthodox Church, outlines the following signs of the holiness of Orthodox ascetics:
"1. The faith of the Church in the sanctity of the glorified ascetics as people who pleased God and served as the coming of the Son of God to the earth and the preaching of the Holy Gospel (forefathers, fathers, prophets and apostles were glorified on the basis of this faith).
2. Martyrdom for Christ's death, or torture for the faith of Christ (thus, in particular, martyrs and confessors were glorified in the Church).
3. Miracles performed by saints through his prayers or from his honest remains - relics (saints, silent men, pillars, martyrs, martyrs, holy fools, etc.).
4. High church priestly and holy ministry.
5. Great services to the Church and the people of God.
6. Virtuous, righteous and holy life.
7. In the seventeenth century, according to the testimony of Patriarch Nektarii, three things were recognized as the cause of true holiness in people:
a) Orthodoxy is impeccable;
b) the performance of all virtues, followed by a confrontation for faith, even to the point of blood;
c) God's manifestation of supernatural signs and wonders.
8. Often the testimony of the sanctity of the righteous was a great veneration by his people, sometimes during his lifetime. ”

Everything is laid out on shelves.
I would like to find at least one of these signs in the life of Nikolai 2 Romanov.
And more: Before using this or that argument, it is desirable to have at least some idea of ​​its real meaning. Otherwise, it is easy to become like a monkey, which is thrown by banana skins and other garbage.

[Vasily Krylov]

I’m not arguing about the main thing, a little correction, Vladimir the Holy was the great-great-grandfather of Monomakh, the princes among the Orthodox saints, Boris and Gleb, the excess, Daniil Alexandrovich, Alexander Mikhailovich, Andrei Bogolyubsky, Dmitry Donskoy are the most famous and revered

[Penzyac]

Quote: ungeheuer12

but what do we have a holy Putin or something? over there Vasiliev was acquitted, the shame of this power! —thieves grin, they don’t judge such people ...

For Vasilyeva, for your information, the prosecutor requested eight years and the trial has not yet been completed. But Putin is certainly not a saint, and it’s not necessary, there is no place for saints in politics. Moreover, holiness, in fact, is checked many years after death if you do not know this.

[ArhipenkoAndrey]

Apparently, you have not forgotten the respected story, and apparently the sighted and not a brake, because you have super knowledge, sir, I ask you not to panic, and not to blame everyone for hatred, if you are nervous about parades in honor of the victory of our ancestors in the great Patriotic war, go to Turkey, for example, on holidays, and your nerves will pass, and all the people will watch the parade and be proud of their army and their country, honor their ancestors and celebrate.

[Bort radist]

Quote: rimys2220

Presidents of IRAQ AND LIVIA, as well as Milosevic also made parades

About November 7, 1941, what doesn’t come to mind, huh?

Quote: rimys2220

Whoever forgets the lessons of history is blind in both eyes

[Aqela]

Come on! Che, you do not know a prominent historian by name rimys2220? Where is Klyuchevsky, for example! Here came a connoisseur of the history of all mankind, possessing an absolute memory by name rimys2220 and guided everyone on the right path ... What a "peacock-mawlin" ... Oh! Parade 07.11.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX! You can not see? Thunderer Zeus is busy with his favorite pastime - throwing lightning bolts, distributing lyuli and buns!

[Black Colonel]

Incorrect comparison, dear. At the beginning of WWII, the French had much more technology than Germany. And what? Although the parades were held by both.

[oldkap22]

victory at 45 was forged LONG before the war, the country's industrial and technological potential allowed after the defeat41 to restore defense ...

[Vasily Krylov]

This is precisely the mystery of Soviet history which I don’t understand — two names: Kolobanov and Lavrinenko. The crews of these commanders, one near Leningrad and the other near Moscow destroyed about 80 enemy tanks. Why didn’t they shout about these heroes on the radio and did not show on TV .About one rifle for ten people, on every corner, but not a word about it.

[combat192]

Quote: rimys2220

You are all stoned by the Kremlin prapogandy here

1. I appeal to YOU, for YOU you do not deserve.
2. Change the flag, with a great spirit.
3. Whose Propaganda (and not prапоgunda, you are our illiterate) are you stoned, and under whose tune do you write comments?

[Aqela]

Well, you asked! Do not understand yet? His mouth speaks to everyone's beloved SS (Stars-n-Stripes)

[shultc]

Do not pay attention to these trolls. And for the minuses received, grandmothers also probably get.

[rJIiOK]

Chu, so we are not Iraq or Libya.
It seems that the lessons of history have been mastered) The troops are drawn from the border) The aircraft are dispersed across the airfields :) The plants were evacuated to Siberia 70 years ago :) Stalin’s lines, though not, so she didn’t really help in 1941 either) So, my friend, everything is fine, the blitzkrieg isn’t will work out.

You, a citizen yourself stoned by grammatical errors. Learn Russian, here pretty educated people are sitting.

[Shishiga]

Stalin's line, really not, so she didn’t help much in 1941)

Where brought to mind, not only helped but also became the basis of a beautiful strong defense. I'm talking about the defense of Leningrad from the Finns, where they rested on the old border like this until the age of 44 and stood.

[Setrac]

Quote: Shishiga

I'm talking about the defense of Leningrad from the Finns

The defense of Leningrad is the artillery of the Baltic Fleet in the first place. The Finns knew perfectly about her and did not climb on the rampage, but the Germans needed to - they climbed.

[oldbuddy]

No. "The Finns did not climb" because they could not break through the Karelian UR

[user3970]

Without a queue I want to intervene ... And who commanded the Finnish army? Mannerheim? And who is why? Former Russian Tsarist General. And you are in the know, on JUNE 25, AT 1941 HOURS IN THE MORNING, RUSSIAN BOMBS DROPPED TO FINLAND. IF IT WASN’T HAPPENED, THERE WOULD NOT BE THE BLOCKADE OF LENINGRAD.

[rJIiOK]

They say that either Estonia or Latvia held a parade here. That's all, kapets to them) The court of history will roll them out, despite democracy.

[97110]

Quote: rJIiOK

The court of history rolls them in spite of democracy.

Everything is clear with democracy - this is the power of the AMERICAN people. And where does the court of history sit? Whose jurisdiction is it? Also subpinous. Or pro-Russian? Roll out what will be? Abramsami or Ust-Luga? Interested in.

[Setrac]

Quote: rimys2220

The Presidents of Iraq and Livia, as well as Milosevic, also made parades, and where are they now?

They did not develop "Armata"

[Victorio]

Quote: rimys2220

The Presidents of IRAQ AND LIVIA, as well as Milosevic also made parades and where are they now? Are you all stoned by the Kremlin prapogandy In 1941, too, was a cap-bail and that showed the beginning of the war .............. There is a saying who the old will remember that voice over and whoever forgets both translates it for brakes. Who forgets the lessons of history is blind to both eyes.

) Do you have a claim to the parade, to technology, to Putin, to power in general, to the homeowners association or to neighbors?

[Aqela]

How is it with the Strugatskys? Seems like "Monday starts Saturday"? "Gastro dissatisfied person" turns into a person dissatisfied in everything

[Armax]

Quote: rimys2220

. Who forgets the lessons of history is blind in both eyes.

Here is a history lesson for you.
Parade on November 7, 1941. Having passed through Red Square, the participating troops in full force entered the battle for Moscow! And they drove the fascists: "... by the beginning of January 1942, they threw the enemy back 100–250 km, inflicted a heavy defeat on 38 enemy divisions. As a result of the counteroffensive and the general offensive, the enemy was thrown back 150–400 km west." After which Hitler first went on the defensive along the entire front line.
So take care of your respected eyes.

[drval]

they all did not have with 500

[sssla]

Quote: rimys2220

will remember voice they

Voice ???? )))))

[Vasek]

Quote: sssla

Quote: rimys2220

will remember voice they

Voice ???? )))))

I mean, pull the tongue out!

[SveTok]

Talk with veterans on the anniversary of the Great Victory. They will explain to you what you poorly learned at school.

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: rimys2220

You are all stoned by the Kremlin prapogandy here

Ha ha ha! The cookie decided to tell the "truth"! You first learn Russian. And then turn on the logic. Article ABOUT TECHNOLOGY. TECHNOLOGY is recognized as very interesting and promising even by foreign experts. SO what are you talking about pseudo-historical and political nonsense?

[Koshak]

Quote: Blackgrifon

... SO what are you talking about pseudo-historical and political nonsense?

Found someone to educate. He frankly trolls everyone here. Here they are, the Washington Cyber ​​Troops in action. We recruited semi-literate half-educated people, and into battle.

[Semen Semyonitch]

Quote: rimys2220

prapogandoy

Quote: rimys2220

hat-bail

Quote: rimys2220

showed the beginning of the war

Quote: rimys2220

that voice over

Hmm, dear .... You should go to school to start ....

[satris]

And in American schools they teach

[Terrible ensign]

Scatter from the site,! ...

[Aqela]

This is what touches me: there is always a wise guy who applies words, not clearly presenting not only their meanings, but also not knowing the correct spelling. Well, a fool with them, but now spelling auto-checking works in almost any browser. Yes Yes! Such a red wavy line shows: but are you not a stupid person, sir? Maybe take a closer look and place letters in their places?
Help link for the gifted:

Propaganda (Latin propaganda literally - “subject to distribution (faith)”, from Latin propago - “distribute”) - in modern political discourse is understood as the dissemination of views, facts, arguments and other information, including rumors or knowingly false information, to form public opinion or other goals pursued by propagandists.

I draw your attention to the fact that this word does not just need to be spelled correctly, but also that the subject of this word smoking is not possible by definition, so you need to be really stoned by the phishington propaganda in order to write such nonsense. I also think that rimys2220 generally has little control over the topic, because I don’t know what country Milosevic ruled, as well as the names of the rulers of Iraq and Libya. In addition, it seems that he is not aware that many countries that have very different political systems organize military parades in general, this is a common practice. Moreover, in addition to military parades, there are gay parades with the participation of all LGBT communities ...

Parade (fr. Parade, Spanish. Parada, from lat. Paro) - solemn passage (solemn march) of troops or military equipment. It is carried out, as a rule, on days of official holidays, celebrations of state and military significance, as well as after the completion of major military exercises (historical maneuvers). Less commonly, parades are called the solemn passage of various collectives, organizations, movements or parties. Also, the parade - artists enter the stage (circus arena) before or after the performance.

By the way, the last one is called parade alle ...

Parades were held in the armies of Ancient Egypt, Persia, Rome and other states. One of the forms of parades in the armies of Ancient Rome was the Roman triumphs - the solemn entry into the capital of the victorious commander and his troops. The parades became very widespread in the XNUMXth century in Western Europe (Prussia and other countries), where they were one of the main types of drill.
In the Russian army, parades have been widely used since the end of the XNUMXth century. In St. Petersburg, large parades were held annually: winter - on Palace Square and spring - on the Champ de Mars. In addition, an annual summer parade was held in Krasnoye Selo. Large parades involving troops from several military districts ended military maneuvers. Parades were also held on the occasion of military holidays and anniversaries of military units.

Something like this!

[astronom1973n]

What kind of propaganda are you stoned yourself? Nobody forgot anything! They will remember about you!

[metronome]

Milosevic and Iraq did not have S-300 and Triumph with Libya, so they paid ...

[glasha3032]

History Lesson -1945 - WE ARE IN BERLIN !!! Do not forget !

[Twilight]

Of course, I’m stoned by M.L.I when drying and yaks are being run over my head, I am very stoned and happy about this condition because I know that we can give stars and not frail ...

[Twilight]

Of course, I’m stoned by M.L.I when drying and yaks are being run over my head, I am very stoned and happy about this condition because I know that we can give stars and not frail ...

[Penzyac]

Quote: rimys2220

The Presidents of IRAQ AND LIVIA, as well as Milosevic also made parades and where are they now? Are you all stoned by the Kremlin prapogandy In 1941, too, was a cap-bail and that showed the beginning of the war .............. There is a saying who the old will remember that voice over and whoever forgets both translates it for brakes. Who forgets the lessons of history is blind to both eyes.

You convey all this to Poroshenko and Obama, they are also holding parades, and even with Russia they are "at war", "Drang nach Osten" let them remember and how it ended ... What do they think they are smarter, stronger and more successful than Hitler? Or do they think that the Russians are no longer the same? ...

[darkriver]

Quote: rimys2220

The Presidents of IRAQ AND LIVIA, as well as Milosevic also made parades and where are they now? Are you all stoned by the Kremlin prapogandy In 1941, too, was a cap-bail and that showed the beginning of the war .............. There is a saying who the old will remember that voice over and whoever forgets both translates it for brakes. Who forgets the lessons of history is blind to both eyes.

The fact of the matter is that Milosevic and Gaddafi did not have Armat, S-400 and especially Topol, huh))

[Aqela]

By the degree of testing of military equipment, apparently, the cart should be led by scrap carts loaded with builders with crowbars and shovels! That's what over the centuries tested at 100% !!!

[leytenant]

Short and to the point! I support one hundred percent. The rest engaged in demagogy, divorced Srach.

[xan]

Quote: aktanir

At the Victory Parade should appear weapons models tested by testing, time, training grounds, etc., and not prototypes. You need to be realistic, not braggarts.

Are you afraid that ours will be managed? I do not care. The tank has a new concept, it’s not a pound of raisins. It is important that they go forward, here you can do it 50 times.
And I liked the tank, it looks tight.

[opus]

Quote: xan

. The tank has a new concept, it’s not a pound of raisins

can you read more about the "new concept"?
I, how many did not read, did not peer:


/ no gugo

Armata vs. Leopard new Russian tank will surpass all world analogues of the military-industrial complex name?

Well yes...

[alleksSalut4507]

you talk like a person in years, balanced, but not like living in Russia, am I wrong?

[alleksSalut4507]

you talk like a person in years, balanced, but not like living in Russia, am I wrong?

[cast iron]

Dear friend. Even under the USSR, it was customary to introduce the latest technology to parades. There were cases even when the equipment passed at the parade, but they were not accepted for service. The parade is a propaganda show that should show the population that everything is in order with the army, and that it should be clear to a Western partner that the Russians have not forgotten how to make deadly modern weapons

[Pomah]

then only T - 34 ...

[Shuttle]

Quote: aktanir

On what basis is this done? The technique has not really been tested yet and no one has proven that it is anything better than at least its Russian predecessors. They stupidly want to put it on display only because it is new ??? Hardly rolled off the assembly line? At the Victory Parade should appear weapons models tested by testing, time, training grounds, etc., and not prototypes. You need to be realistic, not braggarts.

Based on and such a precedent.
Once in Berlin they showed and then nowhere, no one was shot at from him.
Yes, the IS-3 turned out to be a "raw" tank. Yes, its production was very short-lived. But it was a big step for our defense industry, for our defense, and most importantly, for our defense capability. And of course, a club with great potential, which the allies saw in our hands.
Let it be with the new technology as well. Let her never fight at all. At least in Russia.
And let our sworn friends see her. They see and draw conclusions.

[opus]

Quote: Shuttle

and then nowhere, no one was shot at from him.

Come on.
1. The war is over. Dragging them half the world across from the cardboard of the Kwantung army is pointless
2.IS-3 used in the suppression of the Hungarian uprising of 1956 of the year
3.IS-3 (M) were used during the Six Day War of the 1967 of the year. 72 of the tank is lost by the valiant Egyptians (abandoned)
4. In the DPRK in the 60's, they shot

Quote: Shuttle

The IS-3 turned out to be a "raw" tank.

Not raw, but a wartime product: “products of a special period”
-transmission IS-3 = kinematic scheme from KV-1С
- Short-term firing and military tests and limited use of the IS-3 in combat
-supporting rollers Is-2, gearbox with a multiplier and planetary rotation mechanisms - the same as on the IS-, 2 if I am not mistaken
etc.

Fridolin von Senger und Etterlin private trader of the First and Second World Wars, general of the tank forces, knight cross with Oak leaves, military expert of the Bundeswehr:
“The rational design of the bow of the hull and turret is commendable. In addition, this tank has a very low height. For the 1956 year, the IS-3 tank retains the best combination of combat qualities for a heavy vehicle ”.

By IS-3 immediately (even bast shoes, like me) you can see a breakthrough, a masterpiece:

About T-14 ..... armata in one word: the ancient name of the artillery gun that appeared in Russia in the 2 half of the 14 century. A.'s trunk was made of iron, which was folded into a tube and then a seam was welded; large caliber gun barrel, made of several welded strips of iron.

[combat192]

In the DPRK in the 60's, they shot

In whom? The war in Korea ended in 1953. A number of IS-3 tanks were transferred to the DPRK government after the war in Korea ended. Two separate tank regiments were formed from them.

[Aqela]

http://ria.ru/spravka/20130330/930106249.html
By the way, according to the rules of chronology, since there are no "zero" years, paradoxically, it is correct to say the 20s about the years from 11 to 20, the forties about the years from 31 to 40, the 60s - about the years from 51st to 60th ...
It is also true that the natural account is conducted not from scratch, but from one, and there wasn’t a year from the Nativity of Christ, from 1st BC (-1, with your permission) immediately went 1st . e.
So formally everything is said correctly, although it sounds strange, because in everyday life the severity of expressions is often not respected and, say, 40s are called years from 40th to 49th, and not from 31st to 40th th ...

[oldbuddy]

ARMATA, the old name for artyls. tool; the word passed to us from Poland instead of the first artil. instrument. "Luta 6897 was taken out of the armata to Russia and the fiery firing squad, and from that hour to understand the firing from them," reads the Golitsin script.

[Aqela]

I think that precisely because of the dampness and worthlessness of the IS-3 was at the storage bases until 1992 and officially withdrawn from service in 1985, along with the T-10M breakthrough tank ...

[Shuttle]

Quote: opus

Come on.
1. The war is over. Dragging them half the world across from the cardboard of the Kwantung army is pointless
2.IS-3 used in the suppression of the Hungarian uprising of 1956 of the year
3.IS-3 (M) were used during the Six Day War of the 1967 of the year. 72 of the tank is lost by the valiant Egyptians (abandoned)
4. In the DPRK in the 60's, they shot

For you, opus, it is written: At least in Russia.
1. - yes, right. There he was redundant.
2. - That's it - abandoned, not destroyed in battle.
3. - used and shot, you see, things are different. And then, the Hungarian uprising is not a war at all.
4. - in exercises. The war in Korea ended a few years earlier than we put the IS-3 there.

By the way, Wiki is good not only for WHAT it is written in, but also for storing links to WHY it is so written, i.e. on the source. RTFM

[rJIiOK]

That parade, perhaps, became one of the factors preventing the 3 world immediately after the defeat of Germany.

Allied tanks immediately at once became powerless tins against Soviet tank forces. Yes, and looked something pale. Allies were in great shock)

And someone else is arguing about the futility of the parades.

[Aqela]

Well, the M28 and M34, M48 were, in general, not bad tanks. However, the influence of the Soviet school of tank building can be traced in their appearance noticeably ... And M60 something - obviously taking into account the appearance of the T54 and T-55 ...

[satris]

But how to say ... I remember that there was an article somewhere with the heading: "IS-3 - the tank that prevented World War III."

[ReutovIvan]

This has happened before. This is normal. In the USSR, they ordered small batches of new military equipment, which are at the testing stage, especially for parades ... You seem to be on the principle of "Baba Yaga against", outrage for the sake of outrage.

[Jovanny]

Yes, in general, it is true, the same T-72 seems to have been tested for three years or more.
but I’ll answer so that it’s necessary to show, because the time is not simple and it’s better to promote, but to show NATO that it’s better not to think about a war than to hide, run in and then use it in a war.
It must be shown to be feared, right now.

[Maks-80]

In Soviet times, parades were constantly shown the latest and most promising weapons. Figuratively speaking, literally only those who just left the assembly line of the plant.

[oldkap22]

the parade shows both the people and the potential adversary. where the people's money is coming from. that the country has not only balabol but also hard workers ... that industry has restored cooperative chains ...

[combat192]

Is-3 also did not participate in the Second World War, but nonetheless participated in the parade of the victorious allied armies in Berlin.

[Aqela]

Strictly speaking, it was adopted at the end of 1944, it simply did not have time to form and sweeten the units.

[4 wheels]

Hardly rolled off the assembly line

Such information is unlikely to be told to plain civilians or unauthorized servicemen.
Maybe he was already tested somewhere in the battle, just did not light, quietly so to speak ...

[ikrut]

As for the "outlines" under the tarp ... They're UNDER the tarp. Somewhere an article slipped through (there were even pictures) that boxes and plywood structures were placed under the tarpaulin and on the T-14 and other novelties so that the true contours were not visible. As we will see the originals at the Parade, then it will make sense to discuss the contours of what is still hidden. As O. Bender said: "When they beat you, you will cry" :)

[gav6757]

But in my opinion everything is clear! Pind @ sy will raise howl now, but with understanding. They got this understanding from "Sushka" in the Black Sea, from "Bulava" in Kamchatka, Moscow is next in line!
Let angry pad.lugi and saliva sprinkle ...

[Locksmith]

Quote: aktanir

You need to be realistic, not braggarts.

A little trolling is very useful for our "partners", we spent a lot of money on a new tank - they don’t, so let them rush in billions to catch up with us
destroying their economy, everything is exactly as it was in the days of the USSR, it was their turn to suffer.

[demon is ada]

I'm crying ...

Quote: aktanir

There is another question about the appearance of the T-14 at the Victory Parade. On what basis is this done? The technique has not really been tested yet and no one has proven that it is anything better than at least its Russian predecessors. They stupidly want to put it on display only because it is new ??? Hardly rolled off the assembly line?

And let me ask ... even ashamed somehow ... And who do you think knows better what this sample is ??? Is it not the design office that designed the T72, and T90, etc. ??? Probably since they did Armata, probably they were no longer satisfied with previous models ??? Is there logic?
In your comment, you can still see the "rocket start" - a private trader sculpts some kind of contraption, and then praises it in order to get it in, and then after a while it turns out that this is far from the seller's statements ... How would you explain that ... Russia ... A lot of things are being done here that are incomprehensible to the Western market mind ...

[maai]

And you yourself do not understand something, that you are bullshit !?
I have never heard of deforming coloring! What is "hide under a tarp" - you can't understand !? Or do you think that all that needs to be hidden is wrapped in a cloth so that only the colors are not visible? Funny naivety, to the point of stupidity.

Regarding the new at the parades! In Russia (I don’t know about “you”) if something is shown in public (military), then it is either already outdated in terms of secrecy, or it is ready for use and is being put into operation.

PS Many eccentrics do not like "foreign", "imported" and "foreign". Because they don't really know anything about their own. And in order to be in the know in our country, you have to serve and (or) work WHERE IT IS NECESSARY! And it is right. "Anyone who has a certificate does not wave it anywhere and does not shine."

Nobody will show you the "shaitan pipe", you are not supposed to know, why? and boastfulness is not about us. And if they show it, they will first cut the floor of the trunk and screw on top of the plywood set. ))) ... young green.

[Zionist 13]

weapon of victory

[shultc]

Let the likely opponents look and fear.))) But seriously, this is a step forward for technical progress. Stagnation in design heads is fraught with unpredictable consequences. We can, this is also an intermediate option, it will be even steeper further. After all, what do we have on the opposite side of the scales: for decades produced and slightly modernized Abrams, Merkavas, Leopards ... Chinese clones of our T-72-"Types" of all stripes. There is a completely new platform with the possibility of a variety of body kit. No, still let them be afraid!

[Kibalchish]

By the way, regarding the view ... Why is the coalition platform of six skating rinks?

[vlade99]

Quote: Fin

You have not beguiled with the Detroit Auto Show?

Take a look at the pictures. The T-14 has seven rinks, the Coalition has six. This is strange, if on one base then. On the crafts of Bondarchuk Jr. are similar.

[kenig1]

Who told you that the "Coalition" and "Armata" are being built on the same base? "Coalition" was designed earlier than "Armata" and on the basis of "Msta-S". It is planned in the future to use the base "Armata" for other systems.

[Serg 122]

Quote...
Who told you that the "Coalition" and "Armata" are being built on the same base? "Coalition" was designed earlier than "Armata" and on the basis of "Msta-S". It is planned in the future to use the base "Armata" for other systems.

So the author said so! Read the caption under the photo carefully:

[eskela]

the author was mistaken, the Coalition has 6 ice rinks in the photo and Armata 7 has different bases

[Setrac]

Quote: kenig1

"Coalition" was designed earlier than "Armata" and on the basis of "Msta-S".

Did Msta-S have its own base?

[opus]

Quote: Fin

You have not beguiled with the Detroit Auto Show?

The man asked a specific question in the subject. And justified.
What's wrong? and what does the North American International Auto Show have to do with it?
---------------------------------------------------------------
I was the same (the appearance that under the awning) was not impressed.
her bo is:

more like the 5 generation

all the more so:


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This, however, was not impressed:

[kenig1]

Not impressive on the tower frame stands, on which the tent is pulled.

[opus]

Quote: kenig1

Not impressive on the tower frame stands, on which the tent is pulled.

The frame has nothing to do with it.
In general, something is wrong:
-hull (height, rear)
- side / side protection patches
-tower installation is clearly not ice, what should be on the uninhabited, some sort of abrash cropped
-trunk? Is it 105 mm? (If you attach to the rink)
etc.
Bradley some kind

-------------------------
maybe I'm wrong, time will tell

[kenig1]

I'm talking about "Armata", and you, judging by your photo about "Kurganets"?

[opus]

Quote: kenig1

I'm talking about "Armata", and you, judging by your photo about "Kurganets"?

So do I.

Bradley is about "Kurganets"

platform one.
Can't you find what the "kurguzo" looks like?
But not the point, the "concept" is one
As the specialist writes:

Quote: xan

The tank has a new concept, it’s not a pound of raisins.

/ the truth can’t answer, just minus

[Setrac]

Quote: opus

Bradley is about "Kurganets"

Correctly say:
Is it nonsense?

[cast iron]

Doesn't it look like the BMP-2? Are you sad? But the soldiers in the fighting compartment will sit normally, and not bent over in three deaths. And the height "Kurganets-25" is still lower than the beloved brick "delirious".

[cast iron]

Your destiny is to look at cute cool pictures and draw beautiful anime tanks on sheets of checkered notebooks)))) "I did not impress with the appearance"))) In Google, type "Anna Semenovich" - you will really be impressed with the appearance.

[opus]

Quote: cast iron

Your lot of cute cool pictures

Well, at least it’s not the lot of a loud kakla (albeit with a different sign, but everything is the same), you need to visit the censor, there mustache know about the "lot2" of complete strangers.
and so, I will answer (my opinion, regarding you, coincides with MT):

[cast iron]

Look at the anime better - they are more beautiful than the "armata".

[opus]

Quote: cast iron

Anime cheats better look

Do better with Eksom with "Dunka Kulakova" (which is more familiar to you), it will feel better

[Xergey]

It seems that this man just wanted to justify Armata, but only by cunning, so that no one would suspect)

[opus]

Quote: KSergey

It seems that this man just wanted to justify Armata, but only by cunning, so that no one would suspect)

That way:
http://topwar.ru/73579-dnr-24-syn-dones-v-sbu-odessy-na-otca-separatista.html
"DNR-24": In Odessa, the son reported to the SBU on the father of the "separatist"
=========================
Report to the person who "wanted".

[years]

there is nothing to ernichat ... vidok - worse than that of Polish cuttlefish ...

[BLACK-SHARK-64]

And in general, the comrade did not understand that the "Armata" is a base ... On this base, put whatever you want, any tower, an art installation, even a MANPADS, but even a naked woman, just kill the enemy ... The appearance is deceiving ... And will never tell about the combat characteristics of the object ... And even very impressive to me ...

[bistrov.]

In all likelihood, the autoloader and ammunition are located in the tower, which is why it is so voluminous. In addition, I think there are a lot of other equipment, including a radar station.

[PROXOR]

Quote: bistrov.

In all likelihood, the autoloader and ammunition are located in the tower, which is why it is so voluminous. In addition, I think there are a lot of other equipment, including a radar station.

I’ll also remind the distinguished public that this tank must fight light air targets, like UAVs and enemy attack helicopters. I don’t expect to see air-to-air missile weapons there (although you can push a couple of packets of arrows), but there’s why 30 mm automatic guns from the sides of the tower aren’t. One thing confuses me in the new tower. Something the gun is thin and short. The 2A82 gun, according to the idea, should be longer, but it seems to me both thin and the same in length as on the T-90 tank.

[Andrey_tv]

Quote: PROXOR

One thing confuses me in the new tower. Something the gun is thin and short. The 2A82 gun, according to the idea, should be longer, but it seems to me both thin and the same in length as on the T-90 tank.

How to understand a little thin? The caliber of the gun, like the T-90, is 125 mm, so it certainly cannot be thinner. On the gun there is no thermal jacket and ejector. Maybe that's why it seems thinner to you. The ejector is not needed because the tower is not inhabited. But the thermal cover can be removable and has not yet been installed, or with modern electronics calculating the bending of the barrel, it is simply not needed. The designers are not worse than you and I obviously calculated this question. And the barrel is long ... we don’t know how far the breech of the gun is located in the tower, respectively, we don’t know how long it is.

[Rex]

The 2A82 gun, according to the idea, should be longer, but it seems to me both thin and the same in length as on the T-90 tank.
There was no exact information on the barrel length.
There were rumors that there would be 55 calibers (the T90 is like 51 - that is, plus 60 cm), but there were also rumors that it would be shorter by 60 cm than the Leopard (the last modification is just 55) with more power.
And how it looks visually: +/- 60 cm are not obvious.

[Setrac]

Quote: PROXOR

One thing confuses me in the new tower. Something the gun is thin and short.

Perhaps this is not a cannon thin and short, but a larger tank?

[RIDIK]

if the characteristics are not impressive, then I agree with you.

[Technologist]

We don’t know what is under the tarp ...

[Baemaley99]

Dear "author"! On your "DELITANT" look, much is not beautiful. Fascist "TIGERS" and "PANTHERS" also "painted" our "swallows" were. And where are they in the end? If you want more beautiful, I can sculpt any futuristic tank for your EGO from polymer clay.

[REZMovec]

And why were the T-5 and T-6 more beautiful than ours ???

[cast iron]

The assault SPGs were beautiful among the Germans. Low, wedge-shaped, like "Lamborghini"))))

[rimys2220]

Dear "author"! On your "DELITANCY" look .... I would like to draw you to the history of comrades 1943-1944 ....... for one tiger killed there were up to 5 t-34-43 and t-34 -85 this must have been about something read memoirs are written in the blood of tankers, their eternal memory! Now we don't have so many people, only the Chinese have them.

[ssergn]

Now study the Wehrmacht's armored vehicle fleet. Tigers are not the most common car.

[Petr_175]

Excuse me, what is the T-34-43? And how in 1943 could the T-34-85 fight?

[sssla]

Quote: Petr_175

Excuse me, what is the T-34-43? And how in 1943 could the T-34-85 fight?

But he himself doesn’t understand what Che is saying)) Mamerope’s job at work) Do not bother)))

[Gomunkul]

up to 5 t-34-43 and t-34 -85 accounted for one tiger

Comparing a heavy tank and a medium tank is not entirely correct, it is better to compare the Tigers and ISs.

[cast iron]

The tiger was only good as a disguised artillery pillbox. In all other respects it was not the best tank. A battle requires maneuver, tactical and strategic. The Tigers could not make deep breakthroughs with the coverage of the rear connections. And the T-34 could. Moreover, you need to compare KV and IS with the Tigers. Suddenly it turns out that for one Russian KV-1 there were 4-5 "Great German" PzIII and PzIV

[Vasily Krylov]

I have already specified above 1 to 27 in our favor.

[kenig1]

How many T-34s were on the account of PzKpfw III. Read about Lavrinenko who destroyed 5 Nazi tanks in the T-34 during the 52 months of the war. READ MEMOIRS .......

[cast iron]

The Chukchi is not a reader - the Chukchi is a writer))) The Tiger is so beautiful, cute and formidable !!! Not that the ugly T-35s))) And the shape of the Fritz from BOSS is very stylish. Not like the Soviet quilted jackets.

[Shishiga]

up to 5 t-34-43 and t-34 -85 accounted for one tiger

And the Germans, according to their order, didn’t go to one TIG by less than a platoon of Tigers. By the way, cars of one class are heavy.

"Messages of tank forces", paragraph 7:
"In no case should you get involved in a duel with the Stalins (IS-2) without having an overwhelming numerical advantage in combat strength. I believe that for every Stalin there should be a platoon of Tigers. The Tiger's attempts to fight Stalin are one by one. one can only lead to a senseless loss of a combat vehicle. "

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: rimys2220

Dear "author"! On your "DELITANCY" look .... I would like to draw you to the history of comrades 1943-1944 ....... for one tiger killed there were up to 5 t-34-43 and t-34 -85 this must have been about something read memoirs are written in the blood of tankers, their eternal memory! Now we don't have so many people, only the Chinese have them.

But the Germans had a circular - tigers did not enter the battle with IS-2.
You compared the medium tank (T-34) and the heavy (Tiger), which is not entirely correct. Let me remind you that at the same time, one of the most successful single-player battles in history - 22: 0 - was achieved on KV-1 near Leningrad.

[demon is ada]

Counterquestion
How many tigers were in sq1 at the beginning ???
How much did IP account for ???
Do not confuse cars of different classes, this is the first. The second - from my childhood friend, my grandfather fought on T34 from 43 until the end of the war, changed six cars, and the losses were in the carriage once, and that was due to shelling during the halt outside the car. But in principle it is a special case, to say that the crews did not die at all, this is not true. Ghibli, like the tiger crews ...

[Echelon]

But it didn’t occur to you that there is a frame between the tarpaulin and the existing tower that hides and distorts the true dimensions, proportions and generally the whole view, so that by May 9 there would remain intrigue. Do not consider yourself smarter than the Odessa rabbi, UVZ also doesn’t work for fools, and the designers are well aware that the area of ​​defeat depends on sailing.

[satris]

100%! The tower is really smaller.

[vladstro]

And where did you distinguished aktanir see the tower on the armature, and even talked about the size, in my opinion, boxes are hidden under the tarpaulin that hide the true dimensions and characteristics. turrets and weapons.

[kenig1]

It is impossible to determine the frame and the exact silhouette under the awnings. Do not cry, all the more armor breaks through.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: aktanir

I don’t understand why the uninhabited tower turned out to be so large.

An uninhabited tower should be kept sort of like ammunition. Therefore, a big one. Plus there should be various radar and mini-air defense sensors.

[oldkap22]

probably the dimensions of the turret-az were affected by the dimensions and bk including ... I'm glad that the crew has a free exit at any position of the turret ... well, and practice, the criterion of truth. what will the troops say ...

[lelikas]

Quote: aktanir

... Even the habitable tower of the modernized Merkava looks much more meaningful, very flat, smooth and original.

What does the tower of Merkava look like in real life? - a welded box, everything else - mounted elements, armor, active protection and even plywood.

The tower of Almaty, can be made of any shape.

[Talgat]

Quote: aktanir

the appearance of the tank was not impressive, sorry.

but I like it, and not such a large uninhabited module - it's because of the tarp

In general, now many countries are making new tanks - very "advanced" and China and Korea and the Turks "Altai" - but I like that the Armata is new "fundamentally" - the layout itself is revolutionary - although these ideas were "in the air" - but the first made Armata all the same

It will be from the Russian Federation - which means we will buy it soon - so Kazakhstan will have not only Su 30 with C-300 and 400 and air superiority, but also Almaty and air superiority

[Setrac]

Quote: aktanir

In any case, I really want to listen to the developers and see the tank not at the Parade, but in practice - somewhere at the training ground.

Why are you interested in?

[Kalinov Bridge]

Quote: Setrac

Why are you interested in?

A characteristic phrase ...
The dashing nineties, the criminal past ...
Or just wanted to "shine"?

[Setrac]

Quote: Kalinov Most

A characteristic phrase ...
The dashing nineties, the criminal past ...
Or just wanted to "shine"?

Option number three.
In addition - this is unhealthy garbage - to be interested in classified information.

[Kalinov Bridge]

Quote: Setrac

In addition - this is unhealthy garbage - to be interested in classified information.

So after all, unhealthy euphoria and so far not justified enthusiasm about the Almaty, that's the interest - but really what? Nothing unhealthy. It’s not healthy to roll out equipment that hasn’t even been put into service, let alone an almost experimental batch.
And what vulgarity - to keep secret from their own?

"The stupid penguin shyly hides.
Smart - proudly gets it! "

[Setrac]

Quote: Kalinov Most

It’s not healthy to roll out equipment that hasn’t even been put into service, let alone an almost experimental batch.

I do not see anything wrong!

Quote: Kalinov Most

And what vulgarity - to keep secret from their own?

probably secrecy was not just invented?

[Kalinov Bridge]

Quote: Setrac

I do not see anything wrong!

Yes, and good in window dressing is usually not enough.

Quote: Setrac

probably secrecy was not just invented?

The secrecy of secrecy is different.
I remember there was in our army the magazine "Foreign Military Review" where the performance characteristics of foreign equipment and weapons were given. At the same time, it was very difficult to find out the performance characteristics (and compare) the performance characteristics of our technology. The questions were perceived as an attempt at espionage.
I think that abroad the technical characteristics of our technology are not a secret, but inappropriate secrecy is shown to us

[Setrac]

Quote: Kalinov Most

Yes, and good in window dressing is usually not enough.

Polish tank Anders - this is a show. and the equipment being tested before mass production is not a show.

Quote: Kalinov Most

I think that abroad the performance characteristics of our technology are not a secret

I think the enemy intelligence did not manage to get the characteristics of the new tank.

[demon is ada]

Dear, in this issue you do not take into account one factor

Quote: Kalinov Most

At the same time, it was very difficult to find out the TTX (and compare) the TTX of our equipment. Questions were perceived as an attempt at espionage.

Have you ever had to raise in the attack fighters who compared performance characteristics not in their favor, or who fell victim to the propaganda "FSE Omerikanskoe is kuuul" ??? Although the "worse characteristics" are purely comparative material for specialists and in reality play no role at all?
Let me give you an example of how you had to convince that the M16 was an average dull g, not a masterpiece ... The question was about the accuracy of shooting, but the M16 is better, but it doesn’t play any role at short distances, and it’s very difficult to see the chest target from 500 meters through a standard scope, not to mention aiming fire. That’s what makes it easier to make a sniper rifle out of it, it’s obvious. But there is a sniper, and there is an infantryman. And for close combat more important is a more powerful cartridge and bullet with increased penetration, taking into account armor on the infantry.
All this is given as an example of an information war, and how, without firing a single shot, make the enemy surrender ...

[nemo778]

Dear aktanir, first watch this video! Yes, and for those who have not seen, I think it will be interesting! It looks like the tower at the "Armata" is really disguised by boxes under a tarp! Look closely! It looks like we will see the tower that is on the drawings! Running at least one to one! If it is true! I absolutely love it! It's just a bomb!

[satris]

Shine! Well done guys (developers)! Thank you for the video! Impressive. And inspiring.

[205577]

I only disagree about the elegance of the Merkava.
And so, I looked at the photos and also do not see any reason for joy so far - this is a real cat in a bag, not even in a figurative sense.
Even at first glance, the technique is not in our tradition - a tall box with virtually no effective tilt angles. There is no swiftness, low silhouettes characteristic of our tanks. In the absence of any characteristics, in this case it is possible to judge only by its appearance, I personally did not like it - either a German leopard, or something else big, formidable, but without the possibility of maneuver - an excellent target.
At the same time, as far as I remember, the shell now wins the armor.
In short, many were only happy that they were shown something covered with burlap, in my opinion stupid.

[Russian phoenix]

Quote: aktanir

Even the habitable tower of the modernized Merkava looks much more meaningful, very flat, smooth and original.

What to do? We do not have such tankers to squeeze into an Israeli flat tower .

I had to get out of my head this way ... It is terrible to think what these Russians have come to ...
They don’t know how to make flat towers, but the tank promising to be a BREAKTHROUGH in the WORLD TANKING, did ...

[RBLip]

Quote: aktanir

Even the habitable tower of the modernized Merkava looks much more meaningful, very flat, smooth and original.

if you follow your logic, then this is the best development of all time ...

[Archon]

they will finish it for several more years, and his appearance will change.
but in general, on some poppy mail.ru the news is better framed than here, oddly enough.

[brdr]

go to tanks, play, the tactics of conducting a real battle is completely different from the game, get into it to start with 2 km. So successfully passed the tests in 2013 and accepted a large order for their production
And read what dynamic protection is, although no, let's use depleted uranium so that the crew lives up to 50 years

[Deniska]

aktanir

Dear friend. Of course, you picked up the minuses for nothing ... No one has not appreciated your aesthetic views. ))) As for the "Armata", then let the enemies look at it on the parade, and as for the platform itself and the line-up - yes, it's raw !!! still very raw, but nothing will be done. The legendary T-72 was also "rolled" a lot, and in the end it was an excellent "fried tail".

[gorge1945]

So you need to judge after application and its actions, at least after the training ground and not by layout.

[slava7075]

Dear what time do you live? Flat, licked forms were previously taken into account since security systems were different. Now another concept of protection comes forward. Not passive (due to forms) but active (due to systems) tank protection. From that and such rude forms. Do you know what is hung and mounted there? No? Well then, leave your opinion for other cars.

[Storyteller]

Under the awning, a bunch of beer crates were pushed to deform the silhouette. Surprise want to do.

[metronome]

Sofa X-ray .... An amazing property of some "ours" - sitting at the monitor to be able to look under the tarpaulin in the photo of Armata and issue a conclusion that: "the tower is so large", "it was not possible to make a compact AZ", and, most importantly - "even at the inhabited tower of the Merkava THE VIEW IS MUCH MORE THANKS TO, VERY FLAT, SMOOTH AND ORIGINAL .... "Here the Americans are happy - THE RUSSIAN TANKS DOESN'T GET IT !!!

[glasha3032]

The dimensions are embarrassing ... I remember, this was put at the forefront ... The Soviet school of tank building minimizes the dimensions, but here it is the other way around ... Does hope for dynamic protection prevail?

[Rex]

Confused dimensions .. Soviet school of tank construction minimizes dimensions

Only partly true.
The growth of T-14 in height will be within 15% of the regular T-90. In width and length I think within 10%. Of course, this can be considered a huge increase.
At the same time, modifications of the T-90 with a turret for urban combat or a remotely controlled machine-gun installation exceeded 2,6 m

[SAXA.SHURA]

This is not Lamborghini to show off.

[Mirage]

I agree with you ... The appearance is not beautiful ... the T-90 is better ... As for the functionality and performance characteristics, nothing is clear yet .. But I think that the "Armata" will still be better ... And of everything laid out here only the car with "Cornet", "Coalition" and BMP based on the platform look relatively interesting. In general, everything is box-shaped and angular. Not pretty.

[REXSTORZ]

1) for this tower developed the latest active protection system "Afganit"
2) This tank has the latest dynamic defense systems
3) Also high strength steel
4) increased crew protection from mines
5) The crew is in a protected capsule
6) Even the MTS tank gives additional protection
7) When undermining the warhead, the crew will no longer die

About the rest of the innovations, I don’t say sales) a lot right now, still under the bar, like the same tower so far
May 9, we will see not much time left)

Armata is an experienced modern development and of course it will be tested
The first 72 samples, and for example the T72B3, are different machines by the power of an instrument of precision and crew protection, but for this to go, TIME must pass
In modern warfare, the tank lives very little)) now tank 1 is not a warrior in the field
it should be supported by artillery infantry aviation))

remember the Battle of Kursk, Soviet troops in several hours began art preparation and a bunch of tanks were knocked out and disabled
and it helped to win the victory over fascist Germany

[sever.56]

The most "delicious" is hidden ... And rightly so: - the more spectacular the show at the Victory Parade will be. We have joy and pride, and shock and envy among the Americans and other "friends!"

[Enot_33]

Now the main thing is that all this beauty should enter the troops in full and in sufficient quantity.

[Stranger03]

After the 9 show on May, it’s necessary that our hockey players support the initiative and defeat everyone at the 2015 World Cup,

[yehat]

this requires sports anger, and I suppose ours are more like well-fed geese

[Stranger03]

At the 14 World Cup, they were angry, they put everyone out, I hope this will please us by taking everyone out of the brackets of the Russian hockey team. These are not t-shirts for you,

[Byshido_dis]

Oh yeah abrams is so similar to Armata ... How can tanks of two different generations be compared? Above is a common photograph of abrams in our time ...

[PN]

Is there a log in his trunk or something to burn, so that it burns better ???

[vit8180]

"I hammered a shell into the gun tightly ...."

[STALGRAD76]

"Above is the usual photograph of the Abrams in our time ..." subtly noticed ....
Will it be so or not 57mm. BMP gun ????

[cast iron]

Do you need a fig there?

[Dimka off]

Quote: STALGRAD76

Will it be so or not 57mm. BMP gun ????

Until the end, I hope that it will) if not now then later)

[cast iron]

Even in the Second World War, the military was convinced that the tanks lacked even 76 mm guns. High-explosive action is not very much. And at 57mm, there are less total bulbs. Moreover, the ammunition of this bullet is unlikely to be more than 100 shells. Most likely even less.

[Rex]

High-explosive action is not very much. And at 57mm, there are less

The people are more impressed with its armor-piercing qualities, compared to 30 mm. In order to more likely knock out the enemy BMP. Well, a high-explosive action with the same caliber is compared.
For me, both options are acceptable.
57 a little more - just "stake out" the first serial with a similar caliber

[cast iron]

And why do you think they installed Bahcha-U with a pair of 3mm guns and a 100mm machine gun on the BMP-30? Soviet designers like no one else figured out what weapons a Russian soldier needed.
Instead of 30mm, it is quite possible to put a 37 mm autocannon. To put one single 50mm hole punch with 50-80 rounds of ammunition is idiocy in its purest form.
The main problem with 57 mm autocannons is their small ammunition load, which cannot be increased in any way without reducing the airborne squad.

[Rex]

Why did they install Bahcha-U with a pair of 3mm guns and a 100mm machine gun on the BMP-30?
Personally, I have nothing against this. The option is complete.
Instead of 30mm, it is quite possible to put a 37 mm autocannon.
Controversial option. Globally does not add power.
To put one single 50mm hole punch with 50-80 rounds of ammunition is idiocy in its purest form.
I do not presume to judge. The experiments were at least three times. The series did not go.
The main problem with 57 mm autocannons is their small ammunition load, which cannot be increased in any way without reducing the airborne squad.
There is such a problem. The issue is under discussion. Priority goals, tactics and other things ..

The world has now settled on the 25-40 mm + ATGM variant. Ours have so far fit into the "trend". Further it will be seen

[demon is ada]

Intervening in your argument
In my opinion, a combination of 100 and 30 is the most effective.
To fight against an equal enemy - 30 mm will allow immobilizing, and with a 100 high-explosive mine a guaranteed defeat of both the enemy’s machine and what was inside. Short-barrel 100 has problems shooting at moving objects due to
1. Ballistics and low projectile velocity.
2. Low rate of fire due to the probability of a miss on a moving target.
With the support of the 30th infantry to defeat the open infantryman, and the hundredth is the most for fortified purposes (Mona and more but the dimensions are not the same )
In the case of a BP in the form of a tank, again, the penetration power of the cumulative ammunition depends on the diameter, so 100 cum is more effective than RPGs. All the same, there is a good chance, especially from the bushes.
ATGM on top of the armor is somehow not very good for me, a very huge probability of damage, and no one bothers to load the cornet on a carriage (Kalaburchcheg ) and pull out if something happens ...
Well, I'm a retrograde , I don’t accept everything ... but at the words from the mouth of a certain circle of prisoners such as innvatsy and so on. first a dipressnyak rolls on me, then I want to strangle someone

[nemo778]

Read the story of the ZIS-2 (57mm-designer Grabin). It was almost abandoned in 41 due to the fact that at the beginning of the war it penetrated all German tanks to take off! Without causing much damage to the crew! It was urgently recalled at the end of 42, when the German "cats" appeared !!! To the "Kursk Bulge" yet, almost did not have time!

[cast iron]

Tanks were created to support the infantry. A 57mm fart as a supporting high-explosive club does not fit the infantry from the word at all. And the BC will be small - less than 100 shots. If in 1941 this was normal - they were charged manually, then for an auto-gun 80 shots in the BC is a sentence.

[psiho117]

Quote: nemo778

La! Read the story of the ZIS-2 (57mm designer Grabin). Which was almost abandoned in 41 due to the fact that at the beginning of the war it pierced all German tanks on departure

Again this nonsense ... That's it, read the story and teach the materiel - 57mm for the ZIS-2 had an armor-piercing shell weighing 3,14 kg, a cartridge case from a 76-mm division gun was used with re-compression of the cartridge case barrel from 76 to 57 millimeters.

A 57mm anti-aircraft gun is an independent caliber using a 57 × 348 mm SR projectile

[Dimka off]

Quote: cast iron

Even in the Second World War, the military was convinced that the tanks lacked even 76 mm guns

There are tanks to fight tanks.
TBMP support tanks. A 57 mm caliber gun allows you to fight against any targets on the battlefield - even tanks. And bk will be more than 100 shots. The BMP Atom claimed 180-200 rounds.
For the TBMP module with a caliber of 57 mm is an excellent solution.

[cast iron]

No need to tell tales. 57mm gun does not allow to fight tanks at the level of anti-tank systems, especially since the ammunition of such a weapon in the BMP will be hardly more than 60-80 rounds. But the battle distance in comparison with a 30mm autocannon will increase to a maximum of 2km. And it's not a fact that on these 2km an armor-piercing projectile will be able to hit an 80mm side of the same T-72

[Rex]

on these 2km the armor-piercing projectile will be able to hit 80mm
The Italians claimed that their 60-mm gun penetrates 240 mm.
However, the range and stuff I do not remember

[Dimka off]

Quote: Rex

The Italians claimed that their 60-mm gun penetrates 240 mm.

Very true. Here is an interesting photo.
40x255 mm telescopic shot, core and steel block pierced by it
According to unconfirmed reports, since 2011, we also have a gun for such ammunition. It's been 4 years now and I think that they brought it to mind.

[Dimka off]

Quote: cast iron

57mm gun does not allow to fight tanks at the level of anti-tank systems,

Destroy does not allow. And then - depending on where it gets. But it can very well disable. And anti-tank systems are quietly installed on modules like Berezhka or like on the Terminator.

Quote: cast iron

the ammunition of such a weapon in the BMP will be hardly more than 60-80 rounds

BMP Atom has a bit more - 180-200. It can be assumed (as you assume) that they will be the same in TBMP.

Quote: cast iron

But the battle distance in comparison with a 30mm autocannon will increase to a maximum of 2km.

At the same Atom, the declared range of 6 km. I understand that accurate shooting at such a distance is difficult, but with good LMS an accurate battle of 3-4 km is quite real.

Quote: cast iron

And it's not a fact that on these 2km an armor-piercing projectile will be able to hit an 80mm side of the same T-72

But this we can say then when we see this tool in action.
And who else is poisonous fairy tales here you need to look.

[ILDM1986]

and why the choice "or ATGM or 57mm"? why not put 57 mm with sub-caliber shells (to hit BMP / armored personnel carriers), land mines (hit fortifications and attachments of tanks) and special shells with remote detonation (hit infantry behind fortifications), and leave a couple of missiles for ATGMs for tanks? why lump everything in one heap? In any case, 30 mm is clearly not enough to defeat existing armored vehicles, and it is not very effective against infantry and fortifications, the only question is to what limit to increase the caliber - in the west they tend to 40 mm, why don't we go back to 57 mm - even with a new shell?

[Dimka off]

Quote: ILDM1986

in the west they are inclined to 40 mm, why not return to 57 mm - even with a new shell?

This is what I’m talking about. 57 mm powerful caliber allows you to solve a wide list of tasks.

[ILDM1986]

that’s a lot of prospects, but the small thing is to develop a gun, a shell, a remote detonation system and put it all together in a modern module

[Dimka off]

Well, the module seems to be there) But I'm not sure about the range of shells. And there who knows what they developed and what not

[psiho117]

Quote: STALGRAD76

Will it be so or not 57mm. BMP gun ????

No, the BMP will have a standard caliber of 30mm.

a tower with 57mm is carried around the salons, but they don’t seem to plan on their equipment.
And we have no modern ammunition at 57mm. What is - the junk of the 60s. About any development of new shells to 57mm is also not heard.

And if you are so eager to see something more "weighty" instead of 30mm, then we need to develop a new cannon with telescopic ammunition - sworn "friends", by the way, have been doing this for a long time, they have all the latest technology with an eye to replacement existing 25-30-35mm for telescopes 45-50-60mm.

[cast iron]

Sworn partners both ride with 25mm bushmasters and 30mm reinforce metals, and they ride. Some Swedes are bobbing around with 40mm systems.

[psiho117]

Quote: cast iron

Sworn partners both ride with 25mm bushmasters and 30mm reinforce metals, and they ride. Some Swedes are bobbing around with 40mm systems.

Now - yes, they go with the old ones. But telescopic ammunition and guns for them have been successfully developed and tested. And in the requirements for the development / modernization all promising foreign infantry fighting vehicles is the development of a tower with 2 guns - with the weapons already available for armament now \ for export, and with a telescope replacement when the gun is ready for serial production.

[Dimka off]

Quote: psiho117

a tower with 57mm is carried around the salons, but they don’t seem to plan on their equipment.

Are planning
http://army-news.ru/2015/02/bmp-i-btr-poluchat-korabelnuyu-pushku/

[taram taramych]

This is a sport. How will we be ill?

[igorka357]

You don’t seem to be on the subject of hockey at all, so if Che ... Russia in hockey takes the leading place in the world championships, starting with the fantastic finals of 2008, our team drills almost everyone in a row, for a rare case! Learn the mate part! And all who you instructed the pluses also in the Stopudovo topic! And the fees for hockey players are much less than for our players even taking into account the NHL contracts, the difference is that hockey players are happy and they are constantly dragging gold, but in football it’s generally bad !!!

[cast iron]

True, they have not been able to win the Olympics for what decade ((

[perfect100]

And when is the finale?

[Finches]

Somewhere sad one black little girl ....!

[taram taramych]

Quote: Finches

Somewhere sad one black little girl ....!

Chewing gum, picking his finger in ... nose.

[Bort radist]

Quote: Finches

Somewhere sad one black little girl.

The boy wants to Tambov!

[Finches]

The boy wants to go to the Parade, but he is not allowed in by the old grandfather - the senator, the hero of the battle of Hanoi and his comrades!

[xenod55]

Well, Americans and Psheks and all sorts of other p ..... ki. watch your telly eyes do not drill with envy. We were afraid to come to the Victory Parade. Oh and will drive you.

[NEXUS]

Quote: xenod55

Well, Americans and Psheks and all sorts of other p ..... ki. watch your telly eyes do not drill with envy. We were afraid to come to the Victory Parade. Oh and will drive you.

that’s how I think the good part of all people think that they will gather on Red Square, will be spies taking pictures of all this, filming on video and so on ...

[aktanir]

To be honest, "Armata" is somehow not very satisfying with its appearance - it is too classic. In general, a rather bulky tank, plus square shapes. The developers either rely too much on hinged armor, or something else. However, wait and see, we do not know its characteristics. But in the photographs, "forecasts" the tank was much better "drawn". A promising BMP and does "Bradley" remind. Of course, I'm not criticizing, but developers can make mistakes, they are, as they say, people too.

[ilya_oz]

On models, only the tower was flattened, and the body is quite ordinary. What can be changed in it?

[BDRM 667]

Quote: ilya_oz

On models, only the tower was flattened, and the body is quite ordinary. What can be changed in it?

Put on an "air cushion"

[Albert1988]

Quote: aktanir

Too bulky tank

And what is actually bulky in it? You’ll look at Lera with Leo, or at Morkrvka the fourth - it’s cumbersome there ...

Quote: aktanir

The developers are either hoping for hinged armor too much, or something else.

His forehead is quite his own, and from the sides - it’s clear that only dynamic protection and side screens
It is much more interesting how many armata (tank) crew members are - there are two of them visible, but there are also only 2 hatches ...

[REZMovec]

How many people are in the carriage is not so important. It is important that the promised armored capsule with the in-line arrangement of the crew is not fulfilled. Look at the placement of the commander and driver.

[Rex]

It is important that the promised armored capsule with the in-line arrangement of the crew is not fulfilled.

And someone officially promised to put the crew shoulder to shoulder?

[ilya_oz]

Maybe they are sitting with the letter V? It is unlikely that three in a row will fit in the width of the tank.

[Albert1988]

Quote: REZMovec

How many people are in the carriage is not so important.

This is also important - if there are two of them, then the gun aiming process could be fully automated. and this is a serious step.

Quote: REZMovec

It is important that the promised armored capsule with the in-line arrangement of the crew is not fulfilled. Look at the placement of the commander and driver.

Why not done? and where are they sitting? in the tower or something, near the BC? Look carefully and understand that everything is normal with an armored capsule))))

[cast iron]

Abrams is not such a bulky tank. Leopard, Challenger and Merkava will be more, and most importantly higher.

[Evgeny_Lev]

the impression is that you are a restaurant critic, like in Ratatouille.

[just exp]

I also liked the futuristic render of Almaty more, but the graphics are one thing, and the reality is different, the main thing is what is the filling and armor with KAZ.
not much outwardly liked the boomerang, it looks more like a combat buggy.
but Kurganets just liked me by sight, but the heavy infantry fighting vehicle is also nothing, I can’t understand what exactly Bradley reminded you of, nothing in common.

[REZMovec]

Not just bulky - huge compared to our previous tanks. Now there is more "abrashka", which is not gud ... And what is square is KAZ.

[Byshido_dis]

where is he more?

[Rex]

Not just bulky - huge compared to our previous tanks.

Which old ones? The T-10 was higher than 2,5 m. The T-90 was less than 2,3 m. It is usually considered on the roof of the tower. The T-14 will be 2,5-2,6 on the roof. With all the "pribluds" apparently 2,7-3 m.

[ssergn]

On vpk.name we figured that there will be 2,61 m on the roof of the tower.

[ssergn]

That is, you have the linear dimensions of the T-14, which can be compared with abrashkoy? Not? Stupidly?

[Rex]

there are linear dimensions of the T-14, which can be compared
Approximate dimensions +/- 20 cm can be counted.
For the base, take a figure in the hatch. Depending on the growth, it will be 1-1,2 m.
At the same time, his head is at the level of the roof of the tower. The remaining sizes are similar.

[cast iron]

Abrams is not such a big tank as schoolchildren paint it on the Internet. Leopard 2 and Merkava more.

[yehat]

Quote: aktanir

To be honest, "Armata" is somehow not very satisfying with its appearance - it is too classic. In general, a rather bulky tank, plus square shapes. The developers either rely too much on hinged armor

due to active armor, the need for perfectly clean tilt angles of armor is lost.
There is a return to the concept of the Germans before the Second World War, when they were more interested in thickness than geometry.

[aktanir]

Although I’m not an expert, I suspect the same thing as you. Thanks for the replica.

[cast iron]

It is infinitely impossible to increase the slope of the VLD. And the sides on the caterpillar chassis make inclined unrealistic in principle.

[Jan Krumins]

Respect to the engineers!

[lelikas]

Quote: maxxlll

Lepota !!!!

Only captions for the photo, composed by a wild ensign from the movie DMB.
If you read them carefully, it is not clear whether to laugh or cry.

[loki565]

As for the coalition: 6 rollers and 7 reinforcement. Unclear however

[Anatole]

While temporarily installed on the platform (t90). the armature will be finished and there will be a full buffet table

[BDRM 667]

Quote: Anatole

While temporarily installed on the platform (t90). the armature will be finished and there will be a full buffet table

Please do not write the word "finish" in relation to these samples.
The word is not a good association.

[REZMovec]

Kaolitsiya on the t-90 chassis so far.

[Basarev]

The tank on the basis of Almaty looks like a banal copy of Abrams. I still do not understand the whole BMP zoo - isn’t it easier to make a single BMP based on Almaty - the most protected? And what about this wheeled Boomerang - everyone already knows that it is not ours at all. And the Coalition was again castrated, removing the second trunk, without which it became inferior. In general, I am disappointed.

[just exp]

only the dimensions can be in common with the abrashas, ​​the armata the tank is not small, the rest, well, nothing in common, one tower is much smaller than the car on the chassis of the abrasha.
and BMP, there are 2 of them because the mass is different, and the tasks are different.

[Flooding]

Quote: Basarev

And the Coalition was again castrated, removing the second trunk, without which it became inferior. In general, I am disappointed.

Sorry to joke or seriously write this?

[Rex]

The tank on the basis of Almaty looks like a banal copy of Abrams.
One to one right after all ..

this BMP zoo - isn’t it easier to make a single BMP based on Almaty - the most protected? And the marines at the same base? And for BB?

And what about this wheeled Boomerang - everyone already knows that it’s not ours at all
How is this known? From a joke on April 1st?

[yehat]

Quote: Basarev

The tank on the basis of Almaty looks like a banal copy of Abrams. I still do not understand the whole BMP zoo - isn’t it easier to make a single BMP based on Almaty - the most protected?

There is an external similarity between the armature chassis and the abrams due to a number of fashionable solutions such as gratings, but inside they differ significantly.
As for the BMP zoo, both light and heavy are needed for flexible logistics.
For example, you don’t drive very hard in the Caucasus mountains, you don’t know how to swim in the heavy mountains, restrictions on roads and bridges are also important.

[VEKT]

And you thought how to land a BMD on the basis of Almaty weighing forty tons, and what kind of transporters are needed for this?

[PROXOR]

Quote: Basarev

I still do not understand the whole BMP zoo - isn’t it easier to make a single BMP based on Almaty - the most protected?

Let me remind you the tasks of the APCs and BMPs are completely different. BTR only delivers. The BMP is a vehicle for direct support of infantry on the battlefield. Moreover, this BMP is made taking into account the bitter experience of operating the BMP-1 and BMP-2 in cities. DShK will not flash now. And not one RPG hit will withstand. Well, more than one shot and will not give.

[cast iron]

Throw a trolling fan? ))) On which SPG two barrels? It is not practical, expensive and very expensive to maintain and operate.
About Abrams generally argued nonsense.
There is no BMP zoo. There is a universal "Kurganets" and a heavy BMPT "Armata" for specific purposes.

[bolat19640303]

Two options of Kurgan are presented. The differences are visible in the photo: cars No. 8 and No. 5 (or 3). Various towers, caterpillar tracks (No. 5 has an asphalt road), and the number 8 vehicle has various devices insulated on the bow and stern.

[BDRM 667]

Quote: loki565

As for the coalition: 6 rollers and 7 reinforcement. Unclear however

"Lapsus" from the author of the photo review, I forgot to mention that while "Armata" exists only in the form of a tank.

[umah]

"Lapsus" from the author of the photo review, I forgot to mention that while "Armata" exists only in the form of a tank.

Take a closer look: the T-90 and earlier have only one hatch on the hull - for a mechanized drive, here on the "Coalition" there is a commander's hatch next to a mechanized one (in the photo behind the emphasis the head is visible)

[Russian phoenix]

Quote: umah

Take a closer look: the T-90 and earlier have only one hatch on the hull - for a mechanized drive, here on the "Coalition" there is a commander's hatch next to a mechanized one (in the photo behind the emphasis the head is visible)

This says that in the "Coalition", ON PLATFORM T-90, the concept of "capsule of life" is realized.

It is planned that the serial self-propelled guns will be on the Armata platform, with a seven-wheel suspension.

[Akmalinin]

To look in business.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: maxxlll

Lepota !!!!

The most interesting cover ...

[Prapor-527]

Most liked BMP-K-25 ... Although everyone is good !!!

[Flooding]

Quote: Prapor-527

Most liked BMP-K-25

This is an armored personnel carrier. Photo BMP above.

[Prapor-527]

Quote: Flood

This is an armored personnel carrier. Photo BMP above.

Maybe. But "balaclavas" are misleading ... Thank you for the comment + ...

[sereginaleks]

In nature, they are very different, apparently not photogenic. They rushed to the landfill in covers. Once I drove past the one standing by, slowly, so as to have a good view. How they looked at me as an enemy of the people.

[Prapor-527]

Quote: sereginaleks

How they looked at me as an enemy of the people.

Cars? So they are also patriotically savvy from the factory! .. The enemy is morally destroyed.

[qwert]

Bnfr So what do we have? Tank on 7 rinks with a high and, apparently, inhabited tower. The gun is new, but with a shorter barrel. The caliber is larger than 125mm, or the barrel is generally short, which cannot be in principle. The tower is welded. Those. Western influence is felt, it is very controversial that this is good. Large engine compartment. Strange, our engine-transmission unit has always been able to be compact. Judging by the size, there is at least 2000l.s. should be. But I think that in the case between the fighting and engine rooms there is an automated combat station.
Heavy platform. She rude the eye. Our native profile comes from the BMP-1, good angles of the frontal projection, good protection. Well done.
Light platform Kurganets-25. Horror. Box on the tracks. In the style of the freak M-113. Powerful spaced armor from the sides. Not rational angles. I see this car in urban battles, and nowhere else.
Wheel platform. After the handsome BTR-70 and BTR-80, a terrible freak in a European manner. Made with protection against mines, then inside is irrational. Good for patrol and police functions. Would suit the Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan. But as a classic armored personnel carrier, it’s absurd. In addition, it is high and, apparently, is not very seaworthy. The Marines will have to stay on the good old APCs.
Self-propelled gun. What can I say? Well done. I am sure that the characteristics will be excellent.

[Rex]

with a tall and, apparently, inhabited tower.
The gun is new, but with a shorter barrel. The caliber is more than 125mm, or the barrel is generally short, which cannot be in principle.
Large engine compartment. Strange, judging by the size, there is a minimum of 2000l.s. should be.
Light platform Kurganets-25. Horror. Box on the tracks. In the style of the freak M-113
I see this car in urban battles, and nowhere else.
Wheel platform. After the handsome BTR-70 and BTR-80, a terrible freak in the European manner.
Self-propelled gun. What can I say? Well done. I am sure that the characteristics will be excellent.

The deepest analysis ... In the face of many years of practical experience and knowledge of armored vehicles designs over the past decades ...

[ILDM1986]

Oh, another grandma Wang has come. Late, old

Quote: qwert

Bnfr So what do we have? Tank on 7 rinks with a high and, apparently, inhabited tower. The gun is new, but with a shorter barrel. The caliber is larger than 125mm, or the barrel is generally short, which cannot be in principle. The tower is welded. Those. Western influence is felt, it is very controversial that this is good. Large engine compartment. Strange, our engine-transmission unit has always been able to be compact. Judging by the size, there is at least 2000l.s. should be. But I think that in the case between the fighting and engine rooms there is an automated combat station.
Heavy platform. She rude the eye. Our native profile comes from the BMP-1, good angles of the frontal projection, good protection. Well done.
Light platform Kurganets-25. Horror. Box on the tracks. In the style of the freak M-113. Powerful spaced armor from the sides. Not rational angles. I see this car in urban battles, and nowhere else.
Wheel platform. After the handsome BTR-70 and BTR-80, a terrible freak in a European manner. Made with protection against mines, then inside is irrational. Good for patrol and police functions. Would suit the Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan. But as a classic armored personnel carrier, it’s absurd. In addition, it is high and, apparently, is not very seaworthy. The Marines will have to stay on the good old APCs.
Self-propelled gun. What can I say? Well done. I am sure that the characteristics will be excellent.

what a fellow you are, and then he saw a tower under a tarp, and the ammunition, and the dimensions of the engine! and for each car, without knowing the performance characteristics, tactics and strategy are already ready, handsome!

[Yars]

BEAUTY! JUST NO WORDS! WAITING FOR PARADE !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kunar]

More to such

[0,5]

See you soon at the Parade without covers

[Cossack Ermak]

Quote: 0,5

See you soon at the Parade without covers

The troops would see.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Cossack Ermak

The troops would see.

I hope that we will soon see that there was an article on the site that the plant in Kurgan, which Kurgan is doing, received a huge order for promising equipment ...
So God forbid, God forbid ...

[gorsten79]

A huge order is how much? Pieces 350-400 a year. Then it will be like in the USSR. Then 150-200 BMPs a month were driven to KMZ. Of course the cars are different and the possibilities are also. I remember the story was about the appearance of BMP-3 at the 1990 parade . There’s something they didn’t bring to mind over the cannons and they put some kind of word not to pick up. The type of box is valid but outdated. There is no time to watch this parade now, but it was interesting.

[Rex]

A huge order is how much? Pieces 350-400 per year.
By the standards of the last 20+ years, this is a lot. At $ 2-3 million per car - good money.

like in the USSR. Then 150-200 bmp a month drove
Think of all the "armor" on the voiced 40 brigades, well, plus BB. Even at the rates indicated above, there were only 5 years of work there. And only 70% of technicians were going to replace

[Imperial]

See you soon at the Parade without covers

Maybe earlier, Moscow Region officially invited the press to one of the rehearsals.

[yanus]

4-wheel BTR puzzles with its appearance

[Edge_kmv]

Too tall. Probably 1.5 times higher than before

[Rex]

Too tall. Probably 1.5 times higher than before.

BTR-80/90 under 2,5 m. And this one will not differ much +/- 20-30 cm.

[sergey32]

Can the calculation of the effectiveness of KAZ?

[just exp]

KAZ on a boomerang? I haven’t read anything like this anywhere. they didn’t even want to put it on Kurganets.

[phases]

I wonder if this is a "boomerang"? A question for connoisseurs - what are they going to do with protruding and rather vulnerable, in my opinion, suspension elements? V-shape is certainly good, but not at the expense of reliability ...

[Albert1988]

Quote: yanus

4-wheel BTR puzzles with its appearance

I was puzzled by something else - I, of course, is an ignoramus, but is it really possible for a T-14 tank based on armata to have 2 (!) Crew members? or just for the third did not make their hatch? Enlighten anyone in the know?

[s1н7т]

3rd, probably through the "landing" climbs / climbs

[Rex]

Does a T-14 tank based on an armata have 2 (!) crew members? or just for the third did not make their hatch? Enlighten anyone in the know?

There are no people here who really know.
According to rumors, 2 crew members initially voiced. As in fact - it is not known. Maybe the third one just doesn’t have a separate hatch.

[sasha-bort]

There is no hatch for the gunner. For him, only viewing triplexes.

[Albert1988]

Quote: sasha-bort

There is no hatch for the gunner. For him, only viewing triplexes.

In this case, is there any information what is the reason for this?

[sasha-bort]

Due to numerous photographs. If you look closely between the CT hatch (tank commander) and the MV hatch, you can see the triplexes, but there is no hatch. (There is a suspicion that the hatch is special for the gunner at the bottom of the tank, but this is humor :))

[Rex]

In this case, is there any information what is the reason for this?

if there are three of them, then there’s not enough room for a third hatch

[Echelon]

gunner through the commander’s hatch, I venture to speculate.

[Ramzaj99]

Quote: Albert1988

I was puzzled by something else - I, of course, is an ignoramus, but is it really possible for a T-14 tank based on armata to have 2 (!) Crew members? or just for the third did not make their hatch? Enlighten anyone in the know?

Judging by the location of the triplexes, I venture to suggest that the crew members are rather three than two.

[AlexG83]

What is there to think, two climb through one at a time (commander and gunner). The driver has his own hatch.

[s1н7т]

Is this the 4-wheel armored personnel carrier? Which with ATGM is not an armored personnel carrier, but which armored personnel carrier - it has 8 wheels, in my opinion

[Press 314]

Nine 1 spare

[s1н7т]

Right now! Each side has its own reserve, as it always has been, total - 10

[phases]

Well ... it looks solid. At least they have already hung on the armature of the side. It is much more interesting that under the tarp. So, I declare the tank escrow open!

[An60]

We are waiting, s. To see they are accumulating in themselves .... the material.

[ver_]

..has an armata not not a mestizo - a tank with a terminator ...

[Imperial]

So, I declare open tank tank!)

Yesterday already ... wherever possible ... in Israel and on warline and in the states for military, and even in a couple of well-known LJ, so there finally darkness)))

[Rurikovich]

Well, and then there were shouts that "Armata" would not be at the Parade! Everything will be for those who know how to wait! I will be happy to watch the Victory Parade in Moscow !!! there are so many new things to show !!!

[REXSTORZ]

What a beautiful technique))) oh I hope for the fighting qualities will be identity 1 in the world)

[Good cat]

and how to understand this: "An artillery installation using the" Armata "chassis for movement."? Armata has 7 skating rinks, in the photo the Coalition has 6.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Good cat

and how to understand it: "An artillery installation using the" Armata "chassis for movement." ... Armata has 7 rollers on photo 6

It seemed like infa was that it was an export version of the coalition, and it was mounted on a T-90 / T-72 chassis converted, since they won’t send armature for export ... But I don’t know how true it is, alas ...

[sasha-bort]

In the future, the "koala" will be on the "Armata" chassis. They did not have time for the parade, so a completely redesigned t-72 / t-90 chassis is used (the crew sits in an isolated capsule)

[pomegranate]

Why does the coalition have 6 rinks if it is based on Almaty?

[lukke]

Why does the coalition have 6 rinks if it is based on Almaty?

It doesn't matter: 6 or 5. MT-LB and "Carnation" and many other things, also one platform, but the number of rollers is different

[Alexey-74]

It's nice to see - the eye pleases ... we are waiting for May 9 !!!!!!! can't wait to get acquainted with TTX

[SRC P-15]

The artillery mount, in the photo, says that on the chassis of the "Armata", and why there are only six rollers?

[ilya_oz]

Mistaken, probably.

[KBR109]

Here the TTX of the barrel itself (artillery system) is much more interesting. Well, ammunition, of course.

[Vezhchel]

Why are the towers covered?

[Cat man null]

"So that fools do not climb" (c) anecdote

And there is also such a word - "intrigue" .. "enticement" in Russian

[tagir.safin]

May 9 will only remove the covers!

[yehat]

so that the birds do not heat up, so that it is not necessary to wash again and against other accidents

[voyaka uh]

How many rollers does the universal Armata platform have?
The tank counted 7. The self-propelled guns - only 6.
Or are there two universal platforms?

[Albert1988]

Quote: voyaka uh

The tank counted 7. The self-propelled guns - only 6.
Or are there two universal platforms?

The answer is simple - self-propelled gun is clearly not on the chassis of the armata, a mistake

[bmv04636]

It seems that the SPG Coalition on the T-90 platform

[sasha-bort]

Or rather, the completely redesigned t-72 / t-90 chassis. The crew is in an isolated capsule.

[tchoni]

The diameter of the rollers is the same, it feels like different. But the platform is the same. Most likely the chassis of the self-propelled guns were somewhat shortened, saving weight

[Rex]

The tank counted 7. The self-propelled guns - only 6.

Well, as if the MO comment does not state that exactly this Koala sample on the same chassis. And on the other hand, the same Helik and 2 and 3-axle, and the chassis is one.

[sasha-bort]

This is definitely not the chassis of the "Armata"; the shape of the rollers is clear

[bars280]

a coalition is an art installation, not a platform. apparently it was installed on the t 72 chassis.
Later will be installed on the armature

[yehat]

The correct answer is the arithmetic mean!
On some models on the right there are 7 rollers, on others - on the left)))
and there are retractable aircraft landing gears

[ultra]

Self-propelled guns while on the T-90 chassis.

[Anti-ukra]

Nice ... I want to hear the reaction of our "partners".

[Zhaman-Urus]

The frontal projection of the wheeled armored personnel carrier is just a simulator for beginner grenade throwers it is very difficult to miss.

[Enot_33]

BTR is not a breakthrough and fighting machine at the forefront. he has other tasks.

[s1н7т]

And under the photo there is an inscription - for supporting the motorized rifle squad with fire. Will it be in the rear, or will they support us brazenly?

[yehat]

however, it would be much nicer for these tasks to include some application of frontal armor: for example, to withstand a heavy machine gun or a high-explosive grenade.

[igorka357]

You only guys who fought in Grozny, and burning on the armor or under the armor of the BMP-BTR, do not blurt out this ... okay?

[ilya_oz]

Its height is not very different from older models, whose armor even machine-gun fire could not stand.

[cast iron]

It's very easy to miss when you are being fired at with a heavy machine gun at close range. And 300m for large caliber is exactly "point-blank". Try hitting at least the BTR-80 head-on from a grenade launcher. I would look at you as a hero.

[evgeny1td]

What a beautiful technique!
Exceeded all my expectations.
The prestige of the army and defense will rise.

[Bayonet]

Quote: evgeny1td

What a beautiful technique!
Exceeded all my expectations.

Well, you look - through time, space and tarpaulin!

[evgeny1td]

Well, the rest I completed in my head.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: evgeny1td

Well, the rest I completed in my head.

Imagination always draws for the better. That's why I am for books and long skirts!

[Bayonet]

Quote: evgeny1td

Well, the rest I finished in my head

Well then, let it be as your imagination finished - beautiful and unexpected!

[navara399]

Got a lot of positive emotions. We are waiting for the parade!

[DMoroz]

Covers along the way will be removed only by May 9, the more interesting it will be to see ...

[Decathlon]

Ah, I wanted to join the army! It’s a pity they won’t take it because of age and sores ...

[Gomunkul]

I have a question about the Coalition-SV, under the photo there is an inscription that it is on the chassis of Almaty, but Almaty has 7 rollers, and the Coalition has 6? Please explain.

[sub307]

So I have the same question. And at first I thought that the angle was not the same, or "the roof went" with me. Can this be: the chassis is one, but the number of road wheels is different?

[tchoni]

It seems to me or in the armature of the hatch for the gunner did not provide?

[Cran644]

8-wheeled in my opinion is too high, the probability of hitting it is higher, or nothing? The front "cover" (I do not know what to call it) leans back or what? And so the news pleases, if only not only for parades and exhibitions, but for its intended purpose - in the troops, you can be closer to the western borders.

[Bayonet]

These are not pictures, but half-shots! That's when the tarpaulin will be removed - there will be pictures.

[Russian]

I want to go to the parade !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rex]

I want to go to the parade !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is such a flea market that you really can't see anything. It's easier to see somewhere on the route.

[ltc22A]

Pleased
I can’t wait for May 9th.

[Abbra]

Come on, native army !!!! Forward! Scare enemies and make the souls of Russians happy!

[ilya_oz]

There will be only 3 boomerangs ((written in the "order of passage of armored vehicles" on mil.ru)

[Sars]

The width of the tank and BMP is huge! They are unlikely to fit on railway cars!

[Albert1988]

At the parade, in addition to the armature, the T-90 will also pass, so I think it will be possible to compare, it seems to me that the width of the base itself is not much larger () if at all larger), and you can remove the side screens

[igorka357]

Screens for transportation on railway platforms why shoot, do not crawl into the tunnel))))?

[Rex]

The width of the tank and BMP is huge! They are unlikely to fit on railway cars!

"Huge" - what is the number? They are not carried in wagons, but they have already fit on the railway platform

[Evgeny_Lev]

here are the stupid constructor, huh?
And customers are even dumber.


PPC

[Sars]

And you ask the British how they carry their Challengers, the same designers are not the most stupid.

[cast iron]

You better tell me how old you are, and then all questions will disappear by themselves.

[Sars]

And you ask the British how they carry their Challengers, the same designers are not the most stupid.

[sinnik80]

You will not believe it, but they were transported on railway platforms. There are pictures on the Internet.

[perfect100]

Will fit! From this dimension and repel during the design.

[cast iron]

Yes, yes, designers, engineers and military -. They created a huge whopper that cannot be transported. How old are you? Nine?

[Patton5]

The width of the tank and BMP is huge! They are unlikely to fit on railway cars!

..... I think the meaning of the comment is clear to you? !!

[Ramzaj99]

Quote: SarS

The width of the tank and BMP is huge! They are unlikely to fit on railway cars!

There are such things as customer requirements, i.e. Armed Forces
And the basic requirements for heavy equipment, just relate to weight and size ratios. The tank should not be above a certain weight, so that the bulk of the bridges in the Russian Federation could support it.
And any equipment MUST be placed on a STANDARD Railway. a platform.

[igorka357]

Don’t listen ... all the design bureaus are fools ... they forgot that we’re dragging the train, you call them and say ... let them remake a bit, ok? Damn, how can you be so limited, huh?

[vanavatny]

happy holiday

[Vs163]

Pride takes! I look forward to May 9th!

[Echelon]

I liked the Kurganets 25 BMP very much. I could not stop looking at what protection, and in the bow there is a false side. The side systems of AkZ are simply pleasing to the eye. I look forward to May 9th.

[wanderer_032]

Quote: Echelon

a bow is provided in the bow

This is a wave reflection shield. I would like to hope so.

[Echelon]

At first I thought about it, but it seems to me that the cars are not floating, and the false side is lowered during the battle, to reduce the area of ​​damage to the front rollers. Although time will tell.

[wanderer_032]

I hope the previous developments on the BTR-90 are also used.
In terms of PMZ and transmission.
Although again I see cardans with crosses going from the gearboxes of the bridge to the wheel gearboxes, as in previous armored personnel carriers. This fact upsets.

[Byshido_dis]

What's upset?

[wanderer_032]

Quote: Byshido_dis

What's upset?

I was hoping that there would still be more modern drives with CV joints.
They rattle less (vibrate), they have more working strokes, less load on the transmission, more resource.
So the suspension is more long-stroke and smooth. And this means the car will be better along the intersection.
The angles of rotation of the wheels if the SHRUS are larger, which means the turning radius of the machine is less.
Essential thing for a wheeled armored personnel carrier.

Immediately for those who like to yell about the fact that the anthers are breaking, I will say that on the "Niva" this problem has long been solved by installing a special casing.

[Vadim237]

Something Boomerang looks like a Frenchman and the design is thin, it doesn’t wake up a large internal volume, it’s bad that it’s not like that

[Rex]

Something Boomerang looks like a Frenchman

At present, the matter is ordinary. They criticize Mears - he looks like an X-series.

[Jacob_]

How many military equipment has been reviewed from different countries, our most beautiful, nor anything superfluous.

[prishelec]

In Armata, the engine in the back, in my opinion, was gossip)) that the front and the tower are not inhabited or like, I would like to get acquainted for more, but in general the tank is beautiful and powerful

[st25310]

The tank has a rear, BMP front.

[just exp]

no . in the course of all the same engine behind.

[loki565]

As for the coalition: 6 rollers and 7 reinforcement. Unclear however

[REZMovec]

How annoying the road-skating rink counters on the Coalition are - you, M.I. at least read the previous posts or so, anyhow blurt out? Ten times the same thing - "why not seven?" For a roach, for sheep !!!
No offense, lifted up !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[igorka357]

And don’t say, I’m stupidly out of anger.)))) !!!

[ViRUS-007]

Well, what looks tempting, I am sure the veterans, and all of us will have something to see, plus we will demonstrate to our "partners" a modern fist on the 70th anniversary of the Second World War, so that they "remember" if something goes wrong ...
I'm waiting for the performance characteristics, well, and the video from the shooting at the "virtual" enemy

[niki233]

Ugly .... for enemies

[Barakuda]

Ha Armata! Ukraine rules.

[Byshido_dis]

Yeah, the whole tank platoon we are driving was on radio control in World War II. based on BT-7 tenks ... but just got to the point that there is a radio))

[tchoni]

Do you know what they will say in the SBU after seeing this video? - how dare you speak Russian - and to his wall. Because smart people in dill are not needed .... We need mobile ... What would they ride ...

[Kyrgyz]

The coalition is clearly not represented on the Armat chassis

[bender8282]

it's like a 34-ka and kv in the 1940 revolution in tank building!

[Kastor]

Again, apparently, the Americans will "attend"! After the parade!

[Egor Sergeevich]

It is necessary to send Ukrainians so that they zafotoshopili and presented to the West as an invasion))))

[bender8282]

[quote = Baracuda] Ha, Armata! Ukraine rules.
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the main thing is that such war secrets are evil we are not kidnappers))))

[sinnik80]

Wouldn't this armored car with the "Cornet" roll over even on a somewhat steep slope? Somehow his center of gravity is high. Don’t you?

[Albert1988]

Why on earth? Do you think that Korent weighs 2 tons or more, so that the center of gravity of a 5-ton tiger is shifted?

[Rex]

at the 5-ton tiger shift the center of gravity

It with 6+ protection weighs even more - about 7 tons.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Rex

It with 6+ protection weighs even more - about 7 tons.

Especially...

[Evgeny_Lev]

Comrade still forgot about the engine, which is located in front.

[igorka357]

In fact, the shift of the center of gravity depends more on the height and angle of inclination, of course the mass of the center of gravity has a big role, but not decisive! Suppose if you lift 500 kg on a steel pole fifty meters high, and tilt it by 50 ..)))) then these five hundred kilograms will easily flip your five tons, and there are about seven of them)))! But the developers are not fools, and everything is calculated for any installed modules !!

[cast iron]

Let's start with the fact that the "Tiger" booked in the 6th class is unlikely to be able to enter a steep slope))))

[Rex]

that the "Tiger" booked in the 6th class will hardly be able to enter a steep slope))))
He's not very geometrical .. Although he himself is considered "cargo" - and 10 tons will pull

[cast iron]

The engine will not drag 10 tons))) I do not understand the meaning of the ATGM on wheeled jeeps. They have very bad cross.

[Rex]

I don’t understand the meaning of ATGM on wheeled jeeps
Cheaper. I don’t see another meaning.
Unless as an anti-tank reserve or as a base for the transport of portable.

[cast iron]

Although no, I repent of my lack of intelligence. If you imagine the Tiger with the ATGM as part of the column of army trucks on the march, then everything falls into place. In the face of the creation of a very cheap and appropriate means of countering enemy armored vehicles in columns, headquarters, regimental artillery.

[Russian phoenix]

Quote: Rex

I don’t understand the meaning of ATGM on wheeled jeeps
Cheaper. I don’t see another meaning.

And without clanking caterpillars, quietly and covertly drive up, destroy the enemy, and just as covertly "leave"? Don't you find such a meaning for yourself?

[Rex]

without clanking caterpillars, quietly and secretly drive up, destroy the enemy, and just as secretly "leave"?
He moves much quieter (he saw riot police first option).
As for the rest .. ATGM is a sniper rifle - you won't be able to shoot quietly and leave, but as a means for quickly transferring and plugging "holes" it is quite.

[Raider]

In the second picture, a heavy tracked platform, what's under the tarpaulin? Is it a heavy APC or a new Terminator ?? As for the "Armata", I would like to know what was left after the military demanded to lower the cost of the car. I looked of course expecting something more frightening and predatory !!! But probably the "candy" is all inside! I hope the machine's resource for modernization is large and most importantly, that he will remain the best even after the West has built his peers-competitors... And his appearance on the May 9 holiday, let it be his sign to the future. Let the distant "great-grandson" of the T-34 become the same legendary and famous tank as its "great-grandfather"!

[Albert1988]

Quote: Raider

In the second photo, a heavy tracked platform, what's under the tarp? Is it a heavy APC or a new Terminator ??

This is a heavy infantry fighting vehicle on the armature of the armata, and under the brescent it is clearly a combat module automated (possibly a new one with a 57mm gun),

Quote: Raider

As for the "Armata", I would like to find out what they left after when the military demanded to reduce the cost of the car

So far nothing has been removed - there is an experimental party - they will go, this time. two - the military man clearly and distinctly said that they would only give up what would demonstrate their uselessness during the tests, it is quite possible that they would not give up anything, as well as the fact that the cost of the machine is simply overstated by the defense industry (they often did this with the old technique) and is not due to "bells and whistles"

Quote: Raider

In appearance, of course, he expected something more frightening and predatory !!!

My dad, who has worked for about 50 years at a defense enterprise, always said that the question of "beauty of a weapon is the hundredth thing, if the weapon looks ... not very good, but at the same time it is effective, then don't care"

Quote: Raider

I hope the machine’s resource for modernization is large and most importantly, it will remain the best even after the West has built its peers-competitors

By the way, UVZ employees spoke about this - that they are striving to create a platform with a large modernization potential, at least for the next 30 years, and as for Western "competitors", they are not yet visible on the horizon, and it is really interesting how their tank builders will respond to fittings ...

[alleksSalut4507]

Quote: Albert1988

As for the western "competitors", they are not yet visible on the horizon, and it is really interesting how their tank builders will respond to the armature ...

... stolen ...

[Albert1988]

Quote: alleksSalut4507

... stolen ...

Well this is a question for our competent authorities

[alleksSalut4507]

Quote: Albert1988

As for the western "competitors", they are not yet visible on the horizon, and it is really interesting how their tank builders will respond to the armature ...

... stolen ...

[Raider]

Thank! Detailed, concise, clear. Happy holiday! +

[Albert1988]

Quote: Raider

Happy holiday! +

Thank you! You too, with the upcoming)

[MDV]

Today, by the way, the night rehearsal of the parade from 22 hours. Only here there is no information whether the equipment will be :(

[MDV]

There will be no equipment today. Drivers will walk the legs route

[Siga77]

Can not be! After all, all the latest Russian equipment was burned in the Donbas by the best Ukrovermacht army in the world from the beginning of time, at the same time destroying by the force of thought the quadrillion of our paratroopers. Well, they deceived, but I already believed ...)))

[ydjin]

We fix the armored shield of Russia! Thundering fire, sparkling with the brilliance of steel!

[Monster_Fat]

On the "earth", yes, there is something "to show to people" from the really new, created at the present time, but in the "air", alas, there is nothing to boast about - still the developments of the "Soviet era" and their "modernized" modifications ...

[Albert1988]

Quote: Monster_Fat

"in the air" alas, there is nothing to boast about, still the developments of the "Soviet era" and their "modernized" modifications ...

Well, do not tell me - PAK FA aka T-50 - already completely Russian, the 5th generation Soviet fighter - MIT 1.44 - was then sold to China ...

[lelikas]

Quote: Basarev

The tank on the basis of Almaty looks like a banal copy of Abrams. I still do not understand the whole BMP zoo - isn’t it easier to make a single BMP based on Almaty - the most protected? And what about this wheeled Boomerang - everyone already knows that it is not ours at all. And the Coalition was again castrated, removing the second trunk, without which it became inferior. In general, I am disappointed.

In what place is he not entirely ours?
The second barrel of course looked cool, but added less efficiency than was spent on it.
The most secure is needed not always and not everywhere.
The difference in the BMP and the armored personnel carrier of Kurgan is no longer clear - it’s the same machine anyway.

[Albert1988]

Quote: lelikas

The difference in the BMP and the armored personnel carrier of Kurgan is no longer understood - the same machine is still

In modern realities, the difference is gradually erased

[psiho117]

Quote: Albert1988

Quote: lelikas

The difference in the BMP and the armored personnel carrier of Kurgan is no longer understood - the same machine is still

In modern realities, the difference is gradually erased

The main difference between infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers now is a complex of weapons and the associated battle tactics. If there is a module with one or two machine guns on the remote control, then this is a battalion, it will deliver and land troops, and then leave. His armaments are, as a rule, for self-defense.
And if a cannon + machine gun + ATGM + OMS + communication systems and integration into the "digital battlefield" - then this is an infantry fighting vehicle. She delivers and drops off motorized riflemen, and then stays with them and covers them with fire.
Well, and accordingly, the armor for this is also heavier for the BMP, and the weight is more, and the landing force is less.

[loki565]

Quote: REZMovec

How annoying the road-skating rink counters on the Coalition are - you, M.I. at least read the previous posts or so, anyhow blurt out? Ten times the same thing - "why not seven?" For a roach, for sheep !!!
No offense, lifted up !!!!!!!!!!!!!

There wasn’t anything ... on the platform of the armata ....

[goose]

Quote: loki565

There wasn’t anything ... on the platform of the armata ....

Well, put the tower on the armature, as I understand it, the diameter of the tower overhead is the same. All other parameters are better. And why, if it’s already driving, costs 2-3 times less per chassis.
I thought that they weren’t fighting in the army, like I had an update of the OS on the fan for the uninterruptible power supply unit of the OMS ver. 100501 costs, and you only have the 100500 version, so my OMS is 9999 times better. Taxis - efficiency + radically new opportunities. The functionality is the same. At a cost determined. What new opportunities for artillery gives a new chassis?
EMNIP no !!! Stop trolling !!!

[ILDM1986]

there is some truth in your words about the Coalition. BUT although the T-72 and its descendants will be in service for a long time, the essence of the "Armata" is that it is a new universal combat platform. this was the T-72 at one time - 40+ years of repeated MBT upgrades (ours up to the T-90MS + foreign-Polish, Slovak, Ukrainian ...), dozens of engineering vehicles (ARVs, bridgelayers, BM demining, barrage .. .), BMPT, BM flamethrower, TOS, self-propelled guns, SPAAG, SAM and much more. And the universal chassis means the convenience of supply and the reduction in production costs. If the army will switch to "Armata" - then the SPG also needs to be built on its base, otherwise the effect will be somewhat incomplete. and then the engineering troops should be brought up to the new standard ...

[Zionist 8]

will he also be at the tank biathlon?

[alexbg2]

On Kurganets with number 8 on the tarpaulin for some reason there are no rubber pads on the tracks.

[Andrey_tv]

One infantry fighting vehicle, second armored personnel carrier. Various weapons. Different track widths. And the BMP also has something covered on its body. Either KAZ or machine guns or AGS.

[REZMovec]

By the way, has anyone noticed that the driver's drive of the tank and TBMP sit differently? On a tank - in front of the commander, on a TBMP - next to him? And where is the unified armored capsule? By the way, if they got rid of the gunner, then this is not good, the commander is again overloaded, like on the Renault F-17(. On the Ka-50 they considered this a bad sign, but on the tank it was a good sign???

[Albert1988]

Quote: REZMovec

And where is the unified armored capsule?

Where was the information that the armored capsule would be unified? In principle, HOW can a tank capsule be unified with a “BMP infantry fighting vehicle”?, and why?

Quote: REZMovec

By the way, if you got rid of the gunner, then this is not good, the commander is again overloaded, like on the Renault F-17

Firstly, this is unknown, and secondly, if they got rid of it, it means that the aiming process is completely automated, which means nothing will overload the commander)))

[K-36]

By the way, why didn’t anyone comment on Tiger Cub with Cornet “D”? Meanwhile, this is a rather interesting device. On the roof there are 8 ATGMs with a range of 10 km. And the time to get ready to fire is only 7 seconds!
About 5 of these Tiger Cubs, suddenly jumping up to the front end, can cause very good damage. a lot of rustling for advancing armored vehicles . Yes, and they say it shoots successfully at helicopters
URL: http://huntsmanblog.ru/kompleks-kornet-d-kornet-em-na-baze-tigr/
Best regards

[millar77]

Thing!!!! I hope it lives up to the stated requirements!!!!!

[Aleksey_K]

As a tanker, I will say that all this is interesting, but there are questions. Apparently my doubts will soon be dispelled. The Armata's gun has a barrel that is too short. A long barrel is ALWAYS a sign of range and direct shot, and maximum firing range. I didn't like the commander's hatch - it opens upwards. If the gun is above the hatch, then the commander will have to wait his turn to evacuate from the damaged tank. The mechanic's hatch also seems to open upward. If the hatches open upward, then they must automatically open again; they are heavier than the tower hatches. If this mechanism breaks down, a person must lean out halfway when opening, and then a random bullet or shrapnel will overtake him. More! Either I didn’t see the reactive armor, or this Armata doesn’t have it. The tank is clearly smaller in size than the Abrams or Leopold (Leopard) - this is probably good. In addition, we were promised a squatting chassis.
Maybe someone won’t like my conclusions, well, criticize them. This tank is only for parade, to divert attention. The real Armata, I think, will look a little different, at least with a more powerful gun.

[bolat19640303]

The gun looks really short visually, if it's a real gun. On our tanks, the driver has an emergency button for turning the hood if the gun interferes with the exit. Perhaps something similar here too. As for the hatch cover, it will be really hard, perhaps there is an auxiliary mechanism. Let's complicate it... More acceptable - the mechanism is like on the hatch cover of the T-90 (80,72,64).

[Albert1988]

Quote: Алексей_К

Either I didn’t see the reactive armor, or this Armata doesn’t have it.

on the side screens the boxes are clearly visible, and voluminous ones - clearly for anti-tandem remote sensing
As for your comments, we can say that the car will most likely be tested on testing grounds for a long time - all the shortcomings will most likely be revealed and corrected; as for the general appearance - it is unlikely to change much, but the “body kit” may well undergo strong changes

[xan]

Quote: Алексей_К

The mechanic's hatch also seems to open upward.

Where else should I open it, to the side and down?

[cast iron]

Look how the driver's hatch on the T-72 opens.

[blind]

slightly up and to the side

[cast iron]

Dynamic protection is available on the VLD. She is "built". Those. is located under the armor plate. This is a new trend. Mounted “bricks” like contact-1 have not been used for a long time. The entire armor protection is placed in a special recess-niche on the upper frontal plate and covered with light armor on top.
About the hatch. Perhaps it has another degree of freedom, for example, like on the T-72.
The gun looks so unkosher because it is visually thin. There is no thermal casing and ejector. They won’t put a gun on a new tank that is worse than the T-72? Hardly.

[Pavel_J]

The gun is half a meter longer than that of the T-90. Built-in dynamic armor, similar to the frontal armor on the BMPT/T-90AM. Nobody promised a squatting chassis. The armata will look like this, and it is possible to install a larger gun on it because the design is modular.

[GOgaRu]

It’s very interesting what’s inside them. After the Parade, the performance characteristics will probably be declassified. I wonder why the Kurgans have different gooses with different turrets.

[yehat]

Who can tell me why the Kurgan man has such a blunt nose? looks kind of defective, right?
I’m not saying that the nose needs to be made like on a BMP-2, I just want to understand why the snout is this way

[cast iron]

To fit within the dimensions. With this geometry, it is most convenient to position the internal modules. With the current development of sub-caliber ammunition, including for 30mm guns, the slope of the armor has become less important. It seems to me that priorities were shifted towards convenience and comfort for the crew.

[Antonov]

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation presented images of "Almaty", "Boomeranga" and "Kurgants-25"

It is not clear why the second echelon of urapatriots is commenting on such stunning news.
Where, may I ask, MIKHAN, novels, where? Well, I’m generally silent about the giant of thought.
How, excuse me, can you pass by and not comment on the unknown thing covered with a tarpaulin on top?

[activator]

Quote: Antonov

It is not clear why the second echelon of urapatriots is commenting on such stunning news.
Where, may I ask, MIKHAN, novels, where? Well, I’m generally silent about the giant of thought.
How, excuse me, can you pass by and not comment on the unknown thing covered with a tarpaulin on top?

This is for sure even the ubiquitous 0,5 limited itself to triviality

[xan]

Quote: Antonov

It is not clear why the second echelon of urapatriots is commenting on such stunning news.

Is your task to make dirt under all the posts at once?
It doesn’t matter, in such a topic, everything doesn’t give a damn except the topic itself, it’s cardboard.

[brr1]

Damn I'm confused. In the first photo there is a tank with a rear-mounted MTO, and in the second photo a heavy tracked unified platform is clearly with a front-mounted MTO like the Kurganets-25. So it turns out that Armata and TSUP practically have fundamentally different layouts?

[KGB WATCH YOU]

Take a closer look at the photo :) The tank was turned rearward, the fighting compartment, armor and capsule were changed - the TBMP is ready.

[activator]

Quote: KGB WATCH YOU

Take a closer look at the photo :) The tank was turned rearward, the fighting compartment, armor and capsule were changed - the TBMP is ready.

How is everything simple ...

[KGB WATCH YOU]

Impressive
From the photo: 1). Tank on the Armata platform. Looks good, although obviously the production model will be different. The great thing is that the tank has become larger than 64/72/80/90. I hope he doesn't become a "tower shooter". I am pleased with the KAZ and the capsule for the crew.
2). TBMP on the Armata platform. New equipment for the RF Armed Forces. It will be great when the remote control is installed on the entire board. There is an incomprehensible design on the nose, probably remote sensing. I would like to see a module with a 57 mm cannon (it is not yet clear what is under the rags). There is also a KAZ.
3) and 4). BMP Kurganets-25 and armored personnel carrier Kurganets-25. I don’t know why a tracked armored personnel carrier is needed, but the Ministry of Defense probably knows better. BMP with KAZ!!!, which is good news. The protection of the landing force and crew has been significantly increased compared to kopecks, deuces, and triples.
5). The Coalition chassis is similar to a symbiosis of the T-90 and Almaty (rollers + crew arrangement). I hope that it will be significantly better than the well-known German self-propelled guns.
6). Boomerang. Obviously unfinished and raw (that's why there will be only 3 samples at the Parade). No comments yet.
7). The Tiger with Cornet is impressive :) Especially the destruction range is 10 km.

[cast iron]

A tracked armored personnel carrier is needed so that soldiers with property and guns can drive not only on dirt roads and highways, but also in many other places. For example, in a swampy area or during a muddy season. And also for tracked vehicles, the depth of the snow cover varies according to the drum.

[evm-2005]

We'll see you in real life on May 9. And I hope they'll provide the performance characteristics later. Let's figure it out...

[voyaka uh]

The most interesting thing is how is AZ made?
Feeding shells from the rear niche of the turret, or
from the bottom of the case?

[activator]

Quote: voyaka uh

The most interesting thing is how is AZ made?
Feeding shells from the rear niche of the turret, or
from the bottom of the case?

If from the aft niche, was it worth it to fence the garden with an armored capsule? But in the hull, the protection of the ammunition will still be better. I understand that the protection of the crew comes first, but who needs a tank whose ammunition will be in a tin box on top of the armor.

[cast iron]

Most likely there will be two AZs - in a niche behind the tower and in a carousel under the tower.

[artura0911]

super cars!!!!!and the tower is probably small, they probably just covered it with something to make it seem big, but in reality it is small.

[alleksSalut4507]

Quote: aktanir

At the Victory Parade should appear weapons models tested by testing, time, training grounds, etc., and not prototypes. You need to be realistic, not braggarts.

maybe, but not a fact.....first of all you need to be SMART! and you can (even) show a flying saucer.

[maxxdesign]

photo of the art not based on armata... 6 skating rinks and not 7

[brr1]

In vain did you say that

[Navy7981]

Yes, normal, beautiful cars.
As for design, alas, we have never, or almost never, been the first in the field of futuristic design (And we’ve seen enough of talented computer inventions). Design that shapes the image of products of the future. Pathological conservatism, from the point of view of the best, is the enemy of the good. But look at our planes, ships, tanks and everything else. I personally like it. Yes, and appearance is a really necessary and useful thing, but just ahead of appearance is the fulfillment of assigned tasks. It's great that you did it! And I am sure that in general everything is fine regarding the mentioned tasks.

[cast iron]

Our tanks are the most beautiful. The T-64 at one time looked like a sports car based on its contours. No match for the huge barns M-48/M-60

[Alexandre]

The side protection can be extended downward to reduce the angles of destruction of the synzu, when the tank is standing on a hill, for example.

[REZMovec]

Have you heard anything about clearance?
At least 400 mm from the surface, on Armata, I think, all 500-550 are there.

[cast iron]

The equipment is constructed with a certain mass. If you increase the armor area, you will increase the mass, and by a ton or two at once. Moreover, designers use the probabilities of hitting a particular area when designing a reservation.

[Leeder]

I don’t like the front plate of the armored personnel carrier.
At a glance, it will be very easy to catch an RPG... At a glance, it’s about a meter high, and Kurganets, too, in the forehead, the projection is not very small. But Kurganets at least seems to have a motorboat in front.

[Wolka]

While it is difficult to say anything definite, these miracles of the domestic defense industry have not been used, but it raises some doubts about the frontal and side overhead protective panels-screens from anti-tank weapons, purely visually this makes the objects bulky, and the angular shapes, alas, no longer exist of the grace that has always distinguished our armored vehicles, apparently the design has also been sacrificed in order to increase security...

[twiter]

who cares there is a hatch on the top for supplying ammunition, the highway will be supplied from armata

[activator]

What's the deal with Kharkov products?

[cast iron]

The photo shows tin running models with a wooden rear hatch. They were sucked off from all sides 2 years ago.

[goose]

Quote: aktanir

All the same, the appearance of the tank was not impressed, sorry. Even the latest modification of the T-90 - "Tagil", looks much more advantageous. I don’t understand why the uninhabited tower turned out to be so large. Apparently, it was not possible to make the automatic loader more compact, no? Anything will "catch" such a tower. Even the habitable tower of the modernized Merkava looks much more meaningful, very flat, smooth and original.

Victim of modern education. Stupidly geometrically modern cumulative shells can penetrate up to 1,5 meters of homogeneous armor, using high-density fillers and spaced multi-layer armor, you can make the barrier thinner, in the region of 0,8 - 1 meter. It doesn't work out less. But kinetic ammunition still exists. As a result, if we want armor - a tank is “thick” (but not necessarily heavy), we don’t want it - well, then we have to drive a UAZ.

[cast iron]

What kind of tank KS penetrates 1500mm of steel? I haven't heard anything about this.

[ILDM1986]

Chrysanthemum-S 152mm 9M123 missile with a tandem cumulative warhead with a performance characteristics of 1250 mm behind the DZ (without it about 1300-1400).

[cast iron]

Hey hey, take it easy. Chrysanthemum is an anti-tank missile system. It doesn’t look like a tank shell at all)))

[Leeder]

And 152 caliber does not apply to modern tanks. In theory, of course, you can try to stuff it into Msta, but not into a tank! :)

[ILDM1986]

and who spoke for tanks? goose didn’t seem to specify which cumulative weapons, and what if, say, a “chrysanthemum” fights against Abrash, the tank commander will file a complaint in court ? and besides cumulative missiles, the amers themselves are developing hypersonic missiles - they promise a speed of as much as Mach 8, but so far no armor can save against this. They haven’t really said the price of the unit yet, and maybe they’re calling out the price as always:

[Pavel_J]

It is noteworthy that until very recently there was a debate on various forums and blogs that the Armata had a crew of three people, but apparently there are still two of them - the commander and the driver. This is what skillfully launched disinformation does =)

[sounddoc]

The sworn "partners" have already prepared a worthy response to the Russian tank hordes... At the first hit of the "Armata" - a grandiose howl about homophobia)))

[Prapor Afonya]

Quote: kenig1

Not impressive on the tower frame stands, on which the tent is pulled.

Most likely! But not a fact!

[gsnoleg240169]

Quote: aktanir

In any case, I really want to listen to the developers and see the tank not at the Parade, but in practice - somewhere at the training ground.

Is Donbass suitable as a training ground?

[andrereu74]

Great!!!!!

[galay468]

The appearance of the equipment gives a good impression. Of course there will be a lot of improvements, changes are possible, but I liked the concept

[CheByrashka]

Wow, it's breathtaking!!!

[loki565]

Quote: goose

Quote: loki565

There wasn’t anything ... on the platform of the armata ....

Well, put the tower on the armature, as I understand it, the diameter of the tower overhead is the same. All other parameters are better. And why, if it’s already driving, costs 2-3 times less per chassis.
I thought that they weren’t fighting in the army, like I had an update of the OS on the fan for the uninterruptible power supply unit of the OMS ver. 100501 costs, and you only have the 100500 version, so my OMS is 9999 times better. Taxis - efficiency + radically new opportunities. The functionality is the same. At a cost determined. What new opportunities for artillery gives a new chassis?
EMNIP no !!! Stop trolling !!!

This is not trolling. The whole trick was in the unified chassis. It is much cheaper to maintain one platform for tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, self-propelled guns (Repair base, training of specialists). And you can put a turret on the T60.
Most likely, they didn’t have time to assemble the chassis for the self-propelled guns by the holiday and everyone left for the tanks.

[Venier]

We are waiting, sir! We are looking forward to our newest armored vehicles, at the Victory Parade and in the troops. As for the appearance, to all those who say that the equipment does not look very good, I would like to remind you that the equipment that will participate in the parade is experimental design batch, and it will have improvements. But personally, I already like it.

[rehev931]

if the coalition is running on armatures, then why does it only have six rollers per side, and not seven? looks too much like the T72-90

[Swed]

By May 9th, passions are heating up

[Ramadan]

I wonder if they could have made false volumes for the tower under the tarpaulin?
Those. at the Victory Parade will we see slightly different sizes of the real tower?

[Zionist 8]

Quote: maxxlll

Lepota !!!!

Quote: Monster_Fat

On the "earth", yes, there is something "to show to people" from the really new, created at the present time, but in the "air", alas, there is nothing to boast about - still the developments of the "Soviet era" and their "modernized" modifications ...

I need to take a look and make sure it doesn’t fall out too hard, he pulls his hand and the bullet flew by and aha, the bullet flew by and my comrade oho

[Bradypodidae]

I liked the Kurganets-25 most of all. It gives the impression of a product that has been brought to mind. All the other equipment, with the possible exception of the "Tiger", does not look crude, but as if hastily designed. It will most likely go into production in a modified form. But the "Kurganets-25" Yes, I liked it very much.

[Vlad5307]

Yes, calm down aktanir, everything is fine with the tower at Armata and with the height at the withers too. if you compare the photo taken on the stretch in Alabino and the current one, then in your opinion it has two different towers. It’s just that in one case one camouflage frame was used, and in another case a completely different one. You will see it in full glory at the parade on May 9th.
After completing the full cycle of military tests, perhaps they will get rid of any bells and whistles. But that’s why they are tests, I hope the platform itself will show its best side. The Urals are the supporting region of the state, it will not let you down and will not betray you!

[iron.white]

The Ministry of Defense just now showed us a photo of Almaty, but the warrior in the Donbass was not impressed. They met with him in battles back in the winter.

[Megalodon]

Yeah... I expected to see something impressive and actually inspiring, I thought I’d see it and gasp... but here’s how it is... it’s clear about performance characteristics, etc., but I think such a technique should also It’s time to evoke a certain respect, intimidation and aggression with your appearance, but, again, “but” there is none of this in this technique... I was expecting a breakthrough, but it didn’t happen, and I think the same in the technical part

[ikrut]

Quote: SarS

The width of the tank and BMP is huge! They are unlikely to fit on railway cars!

:))))Oh, it’s a pity that the designers and constructors forgot that equipment needs to be transported by train. And what should we do now? :)))))))))))))

[dimmer]

inspired by comments -
Tomorrow they introduce new money, and away we go.
-will it fit into a wallet, or should I buy a new one?
-how many degrees of protection will there be?
-why are they introduced? I didn't spend my old isho
-What will the exchange rate be?
- oh, I saw money with a naked woman on the Internet, well, a hundred pounds is new...
well and further to the extent of imagination and depravity)))
and to be honest, I would be proud of the fact that a whole family of NEW equipment has almost been put into production and NOBODY knows exactly WHAT it is and what it looks like. 15 years ago, probably only a lazy Papuan did not know the secrets of our country...

[cast iron]

The world is changing in terms of information. Even 25 years ago, no one could have imagined that resources with lists, photos and drawings of various military equipment, down to the names of various devices for it and operating instructions, would be publicly available to everyone.

If 40 years ago in the USSR it was possible to maintain a secrecy regime based on a wide list, now this is basically impossible. Every second person has a phone with a camera and the Internet.

[Anarchist]

They will put it into service with all the body kits and you will shudder!

[Arameev]

Quote: cast iron

...Soviet designers...thought about what kind of weapons a Russian soldier needed.

hi all. well...it would probably be more correct to say to a Soviet soldier, without at all belittling the Russian soldier. By the way, “...Since this 2015, Victory Day under the name “Yom Shihrur ve-Atsala” (Day of Salvation and Liberation) has been included in the Jewish calendar, according to which not only Israel, but also all religious Jews of the world live. In its essence The Day of Salvation and Liberation is a holiday of prayers and gratitude. Jews all over the world, on this day, will be ordered to have fun and rejoice in the wonderful liberation, as on Passover, and the wonderful salvation, as on Hanukkah and Purim, and, of course, in prayers, give praise and gratitude as To the Almighty, and to the soldiers-liberators of the Red Army..." Not even a century has passed... but still. Now this holiday (and precisely on the 9th of May, and not the 8th, as the “allies” celebrate) will be celebrated, one might say, all over the world. According to the subject, I’ll say - a tank (purely externally, I liked it. It looks solid, but without unnecessary show-offs... even in such a half-hidden form as in the photo. I think the performance characteristics will correspond. The only pity is that our two countries ended up in different camps , although in that war, our fathers and grandfathers fought together.

[Arameev]

Quote: Raider

.... And let his appearance precisely on the holiday of May 9 be his sign for the future. Let the distant “great-grandson” of the T-34 become as legendary and famous a tank as its “great-grandfather”!

It’s clear that this was a wish for success and all that, but... it sounds somehow ominous. after all, the legendary status of the “great-grandfather” was not acquired on the sports field...and the world should go through this path again..."God forbid anyone." It’s better that all opponents of this newborn be so impressed by his capabilities that no one wants to test them in reality in confrontation with him.

[blind]

All the vehicles are still raw and it’s too early to talk about their real combat qualities. These parameters are known only to a narrow circle of people. at the parade they are needed as a symbol of the fact that we do not stand still but are developing. enemies for the edification of their joy, this is an important political - psychological moment

[chikenous59]

Quote: aktanir

Many just do not have such information at all. That is, that the T-14 was intensively tested somewhere. The only thing that was told was how super-duper-innovative it will be (at least fill up with such information), and not what it actually is.

In Nizhny Tagil you can easily see how Armata passes through the checkpoints every day to the Test Site and back

[Evil 55]

So far, as a BVVT specialist, I see only shortcomings...honestly...

[cast iron]

You flatter yourself. You are not an "expert". Real specialists work in design bureaus and local factories, and do not paint comments on the Internet.

[Pal2004]

I think if all the new products were really so “raw”, they would hardly be shown to the whole country... And even for this reason... These are not the times.

[blind]

and this is how they see armature

[tankuz]

Handsome guys! The appearance is very modern and of course the designers had to take into account today's requirements in all respects. We hope. There’s just one question that torments me: isn’t the mechanic sitting too far away? Will the visibility be an obstacle or a “weak” point of the “Kurganets” and the tracked vehicle, it is clear that their “nose” is longer than our usual combat vehicles. The mechanic sits almost in the middle of the car.
PS I liked the car on wheels, the glue models are exactly the same in design at the moment)