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The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation presented images of "Almaty", "Boomeranga" and "Kurgants-25"

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On a specially created Online The Russian Defense Ministry, which is dedicated to the upcoming 9 Victory Parade on May 2015, showed high-quality images of military equipment that will participate in an event taken in Alabino near Moscow during one of the rehearsals, reports blog Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.


Among others, there are photographs of new military equipment on the Kurganets-25, Armata and Boomerang platforms.

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation presented images of "Almaty", "Boomeranga" and "Kurgants-25"





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  1. maxxlll
    maxxlll April 21 2015 11: 52 New
    103
    Lepota !!!!
    1. jjj
      jjj April 21 2015 11: 55 New
      68
      They promised - fulfill. Pleasant and calmer
      1. aktanir
        aktanir April 21 2015 13: 50 New
        -72
        Все равно внешний вид танка не впечатлил, жаль. Даже последняя модификация Т-90 - "Тагил", выглядит куда более выигрышно. Не пойму, почему необитаемая башня получилась таких больших размеров. Видно, не удалось сделать автомат заряжания более компактным, нет? "Ловить" такая башня будет все подряд. Даже у обитаемой башни модернизированной "Меркавы" вид намного более осмысленный, очень плоский, плавный и оригинальный.
        In any case, I really want to listen to the developers and see the tank not at the Parade, but in practice - somewhere at the training ground. In my opinion, they openly hastened to show him on the main square of the country, chasing PR.
        1. Fin
          Fin April 21 2015 14: 04 New
          54
          Quote: aktanir
          the view is much more meaningful, very flat, smooth and original.

          You have not beguiled with the Detroit Auto Show?
          1. aktanir
            aktanir April 21 2015 14: 15 New
            -15
            I am not attracted to cars in car dealerships, I am talking about military equipment and admit that I am not an expert in these matters. If there is something to fend off, then speak on the matter, and not be bluntly malicious.
            There is another question about the appearance of the T-14 at the Victory Parade. On what basis is this done? The technique has not really been tested yet and no one has proven that it is anything better than at least its Russian predecessors. They stupidly want to put it on display only because it is new ??? Hardly rolled off the assembly line? At the Victory Parade should appear weapons models tested by testing, time, training grounds, etc., and not prototypes. You need to be realistic, not braggarts.
            1. perfect100
              perfect100 April 21 2015 14: 27 New
              26
              Yes? We are armed with fully tested and t-64 and t-62 and btr-70 and bmp-1 - an excellent proven technique ... drive them to the parade?
              1. aktanir
                aktanir April 21 2015 14: 30 New
                -29
                You still remember about the carts, as if you didn’t understand what I mean
                1. taram taramych
                  taram taramych April 21 2015 14: 45 New
                  18
                  Предлагаете подогреть какую либо "войнушку", плеснув туда "каросину", ради испытания в реале. Это платформа, носитель, можно облепить любыми прибабахами.
                  1. Archon
                    Archon April 22 2015 08: 29 New
                    -7
                    generally dangerous. they can steal a tank and everything will be bad
                    1. Archon
                      Archon April 22 2015 11: 48 New
                      -2
                      But what, the tank is impossible to capture in your opinion? he is not magical and has his own margin of safety.
                      1. Baatyr
                        Baatyr April 23 2015 00: 15 New
                        +6
                        New pictures
                2. ArhipenkoAndrey
                  ArhipenkoAndrey April 21 2015 16: 52 New
                  19
                  And why remember, you propose to crank it up. But when I first saw the KA-50 helicopter, after the Mi-24 it seemed a pale moth, but we know that this is not so, in general we will see.
                  1. Baatyr
                    Baatyr April 23 2015 00: 17 New
                    10
                    And here’s a heavy BMP from a different angle and with awnings
                    1. father nikon
                      father nikon April 23 2015 19: 02 New
                      0
                      BMP in the kit - a sight for sore eyes!
                3. Andrey Skokovsky
                  Andrey Skokovsky April 21 2015 16: 56 New
                  36
                  Quote: aktanir
                  You still remember about the carts, as if you didn’t understand what I mean

                  for this purpose they bring the latest technology to parades so that in battle you don’t have to pour iron over with blood
                  to him, there was no battle at all
                  for some reason I’m afraid you don’t understand ...
                  1. Jovanny
                    Jovanny April 21 2015 17: 47 New
                    +4
                    I have to talk about the same thing, so as not to bring to war.
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                  2. papas-57
                    papas-57 April 21 2015 18: 32 New
                    13
                    ''для того и выводят новейшую технику на парады чтобы в бою не пришлось железо кровью поливать''. Вообще-то для этого существуют полигонные и войсковые испытания, а не парады. А на парадах показывают новую технику для запугивания и дезинформации вероятных противников. Товарищ Сталин был большим спецом в этих делах. А в этот год решили показать новую технику для успокоения жителей России. Что бы все видели, что не все деньги разворовали, кое что на новую технику осталось. В единичных экземплярах.
                  3. papas-57
                    papas-57 April 21 2015 18: 32 New
                    -13
                    ''для того и выводят новейшую технику на парады чтобы в бою не пришлось железо кровью поливать''. Вообще-то для этого существуют полигонные и войсковые испытания, а не парады. А на парадах показывают новую технику для запугивания и дезинформации вероятных противников. Товарищ Сталин был большим спецом в этих делах. А в этот год решили показать новую технику для успокоения жителей России. Что бы все видели, что не все деньги разворовали, кое что на новую технику осталось. В единичных экземплярах.
                4. OlegLex
                  OlegLex April 21 2015 20: 33 New
                  14
                  You need to be realistic, not braggarts.

                  I really did not understand what you mean. Either I didn’t like that something else doesn’t look advantageous, while you yourself write that you don’t understand the issue. here I’m a man who has been sitting at the levers for more than one year, saying that I liked the appearance and liked it, and the machine gun with its own armor and a non-residential tower (I would recommend that you stay in the tower after a dozen shots when no hood can handle it) And how is it actually the battle will show.
                  1. Aqela
                    Aqela April 22 2015 10: 02 New
                    +3
                    Просто человек спутал "Военный парад" и парад ко Дню Победы. Можно привести массу примеров из истории СССР и РФ, когда в Параде Победы или к годовщине Октябрьской Революции участвовали вполне себе экспериментальные или только-только принятые на вооружения экземпляры техники. Тот же М-50, М3, МиГ-9... Да много чего ещё...
                5. Archon
                  Archon April 22 2015 08: 27 New
                  +4
                  horses are the most proven!))
            2. Rex
              Rex April 21 2015 14: 33 New
              22
              The technique has not really been tested and proven by anyone,
              I’m talking about military equipment and I admit that I’m not an expert in these matters.
              Okay, but what are the tests of conventional technology? Before the announcement and to the salons?
              The manufacturer is experiencing. Long and hard.
              With a tank, infantry fighting vehicle, gun ... the same with any weapon. Before something gets on state tests, успевает пройти сотни, а то и тысячи часов "обкатки" в заводских условиях.
              1. aktanir
                aktanir April 21 2015 14: 40 New
                -57
                Many just do not have such information at all. That is, that the T-14 was intensively tested somewhere. The only thing that was told was how super-duper-innovative it will be (at least fill up with such information), and not what it actually is.
                1. Rex
                  Rex April 21 2015 15: 13 New
                  74
                  Many just do not have such information at all. That is, that the T-14 was intensively tested somewhere.

                  Ie these many полагают, что "рождение" танка проходит следующим образом:
                  - one factory made a gun, never fired from it and sent it to a tank factory;
                  - the second made the armor, not once firing at it, sent it there too;
                  and also with sights, DZ, KAZ, engines.
                  At the head plant, they quickly gathered everything in a heap, drove a couple of kilometers and sent it to state tests.
                  "Не обладают информацией", "интенсивно где-то испытывался" -а была информация где и как Айфон-6 интенсивно испытывали?
                  1. core
                    core April 21 2015 22: 21 New
                    15
                    about iPhone cool screwed. smiled!
                  2. Aqela
                    Aqela April 22 2015 10: 05 New
                    +5
                    Ну, судя по всему, позиция aktanir'а строится именно на этих предположениях, но - с одной поправкой. А именно: о каждом этапе хода разработок и армейских испытаний желательно докладывать ему лично для визирования и одобрения. Скромняжка вот такой laughing
                  3. glasha3032
                    glasha3032 April 22 2015 18: 55 New
                    -3
                    in Russia, the main testing center of BT is the Cuban Research Institute of BT. All armored passes tests there. In 2014 there was-SILENCE! THAT SOMETIMES drove, from a rapid-fire (hooh how fast-shot!) machine gunshot and no more ... In 2013, the same ...
                    1. Twilight
                      Twilight April 23 2015 12: 02 New
                      +1
                      It's just interesting that factory landfills no longer work or they were stupidly * sold * in your opinion ... Although the respected Russia-2 sometimes look there sometimes * nonexistent * landfills seem))))
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                2. ArhipenkoAndrey
                  ArhipenkoAndrey April 21 2015 16: 55 New
                  17
                  Do you work for the CIA? Are you up to date with all state tests? Oh, don’t make the people nervous with your CIA knowledge, the tests are underway, by the way they are already military, but what you don’t know, these are your problems.
                3. romandostalo
                  romandostalo April 21 2015 22: 42 New
                  +3
                  Well, there is elementary secrecy. I won’t be surprised if something else just stuck there.
                4. passerby1
                  passerby1 April 22 2015 05: 07 New
                  +4
                  Forgot to report to you where and how this tank is tested and the results of these tests at the same time. We will correct, report. Allow to execute?
                  1. Aqela
                    Aqela April 22 2015 10: 08 New
                    +1
                    soldier soldier soldier soldier
                    а он такой "ну, я ещё не решил!"
                    No. stop negative
                    при этом всем нужно "встать во фрунт и вид иметь лихой и придурковатый!" soldier wassat
                    bully laughing hi
                5. Koshak
                  Koshak April 22 2015 08: 50 New
                  +3
                  Quote: aktanir
                  Many just do not have such information at all. That is, that the T-14 was intensively tested somewhere. The only thing that was told was how super-duper-innovative it will be (at least fill up with such information), and not what it actually is.

                  Can you still lay out daily reports on the progress of testing on Facebook?
              2. glasha3032
                glasha3032 April 22 2015 18: 46 New
                0
                After running in the factory, running in Kubinka! Not much will seem!
                1. Zionist 9
                  Zionist 9 April 22 2015 20: 49 New
                  -1
                  the weapon of our victories
                2. Zionist 9
                  Zionist 9 April 22 2015 20: 49 New
                  0
                  the weapon of our victories
            3. silver_roman
              silver_roman April 21 2015 14: 51 New
              36
              Quote: aktanir
              At the Victory Parade should appear weapons models tested by testing, time, training grounds, etc., and not prototypes. You need to be realistic, not braggarts.

              and where did you get that it should be verified? Are there any written rules on this?
              Выставляя новейшую передовую технику на параде, мы как бы намекаем нашим "друзьям", что Россия развивается, что у нас есть огромный потенциал в технологиях, даем понять, что мы великая Держава, которая способная создавать уникальные образцы. А Армата является уникальной на сегодняшний день.
              War is sometimes won without starting. So it is with aggression. Military parades and enormous military exercises are far from being held solely for the sake of perfecting skills. Also, raising morale among the population and allies. This is all extremely important!
              So your skepticism is not appropriate. hi
              1. rimys2220
                rimys2220 April 21 2015 16: 31 New
                -138
                The Presidents of IRAQ AND LIVIA, as well as Milosevic also made parades and where are they now? Are you all stoned by the Kremlin prapogandy In 1941, too, was a cap-bail and that showed the beginning of the war .............. There is a saying who the old will remember that voice over and whoever forgets both translates it for brakes. Who forgets the lessons of history is blind to both eyes. hi
                1. silver_roman
                  silver_roman April 21 2015 16: 48 New
                  43
                  stupid analogy. and the presidents of Iraq and Libya were with noses and ears, which makes them look like Putin. So what? Now this means that we will suffer the fate of these countries?
                  Do you know that more than once the exercises of the USSR saved the world from a nuclear attack by NATO? recall even the most ambitious teachings of 80 years. Then everything was raised to their ears. They cooled the ardor of the atlantists and honed them for their skill.
                  And what does the Kremlin propaganda have to do with it? How is this connected with the victory parade? in short, Troll, come out. I see no reason to waste time on you.
                  1. ungeheuer12
                    ungeheuer12 April 21 2015 17: 40 New
                    -70
                    but what do we have a holy Putin or something? over there Vasiliev was acquitted, the shame of this power! —thieves grin, they don’t judge such people ...
                    1. rJIiOK
                      rJIiOK April 21 2015 19: 27 New
                      12
                      You, citizen, do not skip from topic to topic, according to the previous one, as I understand it, there is nothing to answer.
                      1. silver_roman
                        silver_roman April 22 2015 09: 21 New
                        +4
                        Michael, creatures like ungeheuer12 have one goal: to throw in more dirt, and let the people digest it. and IT looks from the side.
                        Вот Вам пример из "просветленной " европы: там плохие новости не смакуют неделями как у нас. Показали вкратце и все. У нас же этим всем травят душу ооочень долго и в этом есть своя сила. А ЭТО ( ungeheuer12) ее производная. Так что советую просто добавлять ТАКОЕ в черный список. у меня он уже забит подобным сбродом . Удачи hi

                        Я бы еще советовал админам, банить по ip адресам. Его очень легко узнать, и если это диванный "воин", то больше он не зайдет, не поменяв провайдера или ip. Если конечно он статический request
                      2. silver_roman
                        silver_roman April 22 2015 09: 28 New
                        +2
                        Although a correction to his words. I thought about it bully
                        ban on ip is stupid, because I’m sitting right now from a working computer and the ip address for everyone is the same - external. If they ban me, then they can ban our whole company. So I take my words back!
                    2. silver_roman
                      silver_roman April 22 2015 10: 44 New
                      0
                      I don’t quite understand, am I skipping from topic to topic?
                  2. core
                    core April 21 2015 22: 26 New
                    +4
                    apparently there was nothing to plant, so they didn’t plant it. and all the noise from the generals and their wounded pride. as they say in a thief, the hat is on.
                  3. Blackgrifon
                    Blackgrifon April 21 2015 22: 37 New
                    +4
                    Quote: ungeheuer12
                    Vaughan Vaughan justified, the shame of this government!

                    I’m not protecting anyone, BUT the brain sometimes needs to be turned on - in our country there are three INDEPENDENT branches of government - executive, judicial, legislative. And the president (surprise-surprise) does not lead the judiciary (in theory, he cannot even influence it).
                    1. Aqela
                      Aqela April 22 2015 10: 42 New
                      0
                      Well, to understand this, you need to know at least something and periodically turn on the brain ... sad
                  4. Aqela
                    Aqela April 22 2015 10: 38 New
                    +2
                    Well, the family of Nicholas II, in general, was all officially declared one martyr by one choch first, and then - saints. And how much was stolen under them, and the fact that his inept rule caused two revolutions and a bloody civil war is all kind of sideways.
                    You, my dear man, besides the princes Vladimir Monomakh and Alexander Nevsky, still call the rulers recognized as saints?
                    I will allow myself quotes:
                    The rules that guided the Russian Orthodox Church in classifying ascetics as saints, in general terms, resemble the rules of the Church of Constantinople. “The main criterion for canonization was the gift of miracles manifested during the life or death of a saint, and in some cases the presence of incorruptible remains. The canonization itself had three types. Along with the faces of the saints according to the nature of their church service (martyrs, saints, reverends, etc.), the saints in the Russian Church also differed in the prevalence of their veneration - local temple, local duchy and nationwide ”

                    http://aliom.orthodoxy.ru/arch/021/021-tert_kanon.htm
                    Canonization has always been conceived by the church consciousness as a fact of manifestation in the Church of the holiness of God, acting through the blessed ascetic of piety. Therefore, at all times, the main condition for glorification was the manifestation of genuine sanctification, holiness of the righteous. Metropolitan Juvenaly of Krutitsy and Kolomna, in his report at the Local Council of the Russian Orthodox Church, outlines the following signs of the holiness of Orthodox ascetics:
                    "1. The faith of the Church in the sanctity of the glorified ascetics as people who pleased God and served as the coming of the Son of God to the earth and the preaching of the Holy Gospel (forefathers, fathers, prophets and apostles were glorified on the basis of this faith).
                    2. Martyrdom for Christ's death, or torture for the faith of Christ (thus, in particular, martyrs and confessors were glorified in the Church).
                    3. Miracles performed by saints through his prayers or from his honest remains - relics (saints, silent men, pillars, martyrs, martyrs, holy fools, etc.).
                    4. High church priestly and holy ministry.
                    5. Great services to the Church and the people of God.
                    6. Virtuous, righteous and holy life.
                    7. In the seventeenth century, according to the testimony of Patriarch Nektarii, three things were recognized as the cause of true holiness in people:
                    a) Orthodoxy is impeccable;
                    b) the performance of all virtues, followed by a confrontation for faith, even to the point of blood;
                    c) God's manifestation of supernatural signs and wonders.

                    8. Often the testimony of the sanctity of the righteous was a great veneration by his people, sometimes during his lifetime. ”

                    Everything is laid out on shelves.
                    I would like to find at least one of these signs in the life of Nikolai 2 Romanov.
                    And more: Before using this or that argument, it is desirable to have at least some idea of ​​its real meaning. Otherwise, it is easy to become like a monkey, which is thrown by banana skins and other garbage.
                    hi
                    1. Vasily Krylov
                      Vasily Krylov April 22 2015 18: 48 New
                      0
                      I’m not arguing about the main thing, a little correction, Vladimir the Holy was the great-great-grandfather of Monomakh, the princes among the Orthodox saints, Boris and Gleb, the excess, Daniil Alexandrovich, Alexander Mikhailovich, Andrei Bogolyubsky, Dmitry Donskoy are the most famous and revered
                  5. Penzyac
                    Penzyac April 23 2015 19: 06 New
                    0
                    Quote: ungeheuer12
                    but what do we have a holy Putin or something? over there Vasiliev was acquitted, the shame of this power! —thieves grin, they don’t judge such people ...

                    For Vasilyeva, for your information, the prosecutor requested eight years and the trial has not yet been completed. But Putin is certainly not a saint, and it’s not necessary, there is no place for saints in politics. Moreover, holiness, in fact, is checked many years after death if you do not know this.
              2. ArhipenkoAndrey
                ArhipenkoAndrey April 21 2015 17: 00 New
                26
                Apparently, you have not forgotten the respected story, and apparently the sighted and not a brake, because you have super knowledge, sir, I ask you not to panic, and not to blame everyone for hatred, if you are nervous about parades in honor of the victory of our ancestors in the great Patriotic war, go to Turkey, for example, on holidays, and your nerves will pass, and all the people will watch the parade and be proud of their army and their country, honor their ancestors and celebrate.
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              4. Bort radist
                Bort radist April 21 2015 17: 21 New
                13
                Quote: rimys2220
                Presidents of IRAQ AND LIVIA, as well as Milosevic also made parades

                About November 7, 1941, what doesn’t come to mind, huh?
                Quote: rimys2220
                Whoever forgets the lessons of history is blind in both eyes
                1. Aqela
                  Aqela April 22 2015 10: 47 New
                  +1
                  Come on! Che, you do not know a prominent historian by name rimys2220? Where is Klyuchevsky, for example! Here came a connoisseur of the history of all mankind, possessing an absolute memory by name rimys2220 и всех наставил на путь правильный... Какой-такой "павлин-мавлин"... Ой! Парад 07.11.1941! Ты не видишь? Громовержец Зевс занят любимым занятием - мечет молнии, раздаёт люли и плюшки! fellow tongue laughing
              5. Black Colonel
                Black Colonel April 21 2015 18: 34 New
                +3
                Incorrect comparison, dear. At the beginning of WWII, the French had much more technology than Germany. And what? Although the parades were held by both.
              6. oldkap22
                oldkap22 April 21 2015 18: 49 New
                +6
                victory at 45 was forged LONG before the war, the country's industrial and technological potential allowed after the defeat41 to restore defense ...
                1. Vasily Krylov
                  Vasily Krylov April 22 2015 19: 04 New
                  0
                  This is precisely the mystery of Soviet history which I don’t understand — two names: Kolobanov and Lavrinenko. The crews of these commanders, one near Leningrad and the other near Moscow destroyed about 80 enemy tanks. Why didn’t they shout about these heroes on the radio and did not show on TV .About one rifle for ten people, on every corner, but not a word about it.
              7. combat192
                combat192 April 21 2015 19: 20 New
                14
                Quote: rimys2220
                You are all stoned by the Kremlin prapogandy herehi

                1. I appeal to YOU, for YOU you do not deserve.
                2. Change the flag, with a great spirit.
                3. Whose Propaganda (and not prапоgunda, you are our illiterate) are you stoned, and under whose tune do you write comments?
                1. Aqela
                  Aqela April 22 2015 10: 51 New
                  0
                  Well, you asked! fellow Do not understand yet? His mouth speaks to everyone's beloved SS (Stars-n-Stripes) am
                2. shultc
                  shultc April 24 2015 10: 08 New
                  0
                  Do not pay attention to these trolls. And for the minuses received, grandmothers also probably get.
              8. rJIiOK
                rJIiOK April 21 2015 19: 25 New
                10
                Chu, so we are not Iraq or Libya.
                It seems that the lessons of history have been mastered) The troops are drawn from the border) The aircraft are dispersed across the airfields :) The plants were evacuated to Siberia 70 years ago :) Stalin’s lines, though not, so she didn’t really help in 1941 either) So, my friend, everything is fine, the blitzkrieg isn’t will work out.

                You, a citizen yourself stoned by grammatical errors. Learn Russian, here pretty educated people are sitting.
                1. Shishiga
                  Shishiga April 21 2015 19: 47 New
                  +6
                  Stalin's line, really not, so she didn’t help much in 1941)


                  Where brought to mind, not only helped but also became the basis of a beautiful strong defense. I'm talking about the defense of Leningrad from the Finns, where they rested on the old border like this until the age of 44 and stood.
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac April 21 2015 20: 11 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Shishiga
                    I'm talking about the defense of Leningrad from the Finns

                    The defense of Leningrad is the artillery of the Baltic Fleet in the first place. The Finns knew perfectly about her and did not climb on the rampage, but the Germans needed to - they climbed.
                    1. oldbuddy
                      oldbuddy April 21 2015 20: 39 New
                      +3
                      Нет. "Финны не лезли" потому, что не смогли прорвать Карельский УР
                  2. user3970
                    user3970 April 24 2015 08: 21 New
                    -1
                    Without a queue I want to intervene ... And who commanded the Finnish army? Mannerheim? And who is why? Former Russian Tsarist General. And you are in the know, on JUNE 25, AT 1941 HOURS IN THE MORNING, RUSSIAN BOMBS DROPPED TO FINLAND. IF IT WASN’T HAPPENED, THERE WOULD NOT BE THE BLOCKADE OF LENINGRAD.
              9. rJIiOK
                rJIiOK April 21 2015 19: 28 New
                +3
                They say that either Estonia or Latvia held a parade here. That's all, kapets to them) The court of history will roll them out, despite democracy.
                1. 97110
                  97110 April 23 2015 09: 13 New
                  0
                  Quote: rJIiOK
                  The court of history rolls them in spite of democracy.

                  Everything is clear with democracy - this is the power of the AMERICAN people. And where does the court of history sit? Whose jurisdiction is it? Also subpinous. Or pro-Russian? Roll out what will be? Abramsami or Ust-Luga? Interested in.
              10. Setrac
                Setrac April 21 2015 20: 07 New
                +3
                Quote: rimys2220
                The Presidents of Iraq and Livia, as well as Milosevic, also made parades, and where are they now?

                Они же не разрабатывали "Армату" soldier
              11. Victorio
                Victorio April 21 2015 20: 27 New
                +5
                Quote: rimys2220
                The Presidents of IRAQ AND LIVIA, as well as Milosevic also made parades and where are they now? Are you all stoned by the Kremlin prapogandy In 1941, too, was a cap-bail and that showed the beginning of the war .............. There is a saying who the old will remember that voice over and whoever forgets both translates it for brakes. Who forgets the lessons of history is blind to both eyes. hi


                ) Do you have a claim to the parade, to technology, to Putin, to power in general, to the homeowners association or to neighbors?
                1. Aqela
                  Aqela April 22 2015 10: 54 New
                  +1
                  Как это у Стругацких? Кажется, "Понедельник начинается в субботу"? "Человек неудовлетворённый желудочно" превращается в человека не удовлетворённого во всём
              12. Armax
                Armax April 21 2015 21: 09 New
                +6
                Quote: rimys2220
                . Who forgets the lessons of history is blind in both eyes.

                Here is a history lesson for you.
                Парад 7 ноября 1941 года.Пройдя по Красной площади участвовавшие войска в полном составе вступили в битву за Москву! И погнали фашистов: "... к началу января 1942 года отбросили противника на 100–250 км, нанесли тяжелое поражение 38 вражеским дивизиям. В результате контрнаступления и общего наступления враг был отброшен на запад на 150–400 км." После чего Гитлер впервые перешел к обороне по всей линии фронта.
                So take care of your respected eyes.
              13. drval
                drval April 21 2015 21: 36 New
                0
                they all did not have with 500
              14. sssla
                sssla April 21 2015 21: 49 New
                +5
                Quote: rimys2220
                will remember voice out
                Voice ???? )))))
                1. Vasek
                  Vasek April 22 2015 17: 04 New
                  +1
                  Quote: sssla
                  Quote: rimys2220
                  will remember voice out
                  Voice ???? )))))

                  laughing I mean, pull the tongue out!
              15. SveTok
                SveTok April 21 2015 22: 12 New
                +3
                Talk with veterans on the anniversary of the Great Victory. They will explain to you what you poorly learned at school.
              16. Blackgrifon
                Blackgrifon April 21 2015 22: 34 New
                +3
                Quote: rimys2220
                You are all stoned by the Kremlin prapogandy here


                Ха-ха-ха! Печенье "правду" решило рассказать! Ты сначала русский выучи. А потом логику включи. Статья ПРО ТЕХНИКУ. ТЕХНИКА даже иностранными экспертами признанна весьма интересной и перспективной. ТАК чего ты тут несешь псевдоисторико-политический бред?
                1. Koshak
                  Koshak April 22 2015 09: 02 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Blackgrifon
                  ... SO what are you talking about pseudo-historical and political nonsense?

                  Нашли, кого воспитывать. Он же откровенно здесь всех троллит. Вот они, вашингтонские "кибервойска", в действии. Набрали полуграмотных недоучек, и в бой.
              17. Semen Semyonitch
                Semen Semyonitch April 22 2015 01: 32 New
                +5
                Quote: rimys2220
                prapogandoy

                Quote: rimys2220
                hat-bail

                Quote: rimys2220
                showed the beginning of the war

                Quote: rimys2220
                that voice over

                Hmm, dear .... You should go to school to start ....
                1. satris
                  satris April 22 2015 06: 40 New
                  +6
                  And in American schools they teach smile
              18. Terrible ensign
                Terrible ensign April 22 2015 06: 31 New
                +2
                Scatter from the site,! ...
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              20. Aqela
                Aqela April 22 2015 10: 22 New
                +2
                This is what touches me: there is always a wise guy who applies words, not clearly presenting not only their meanings, but also not knowing the correct spelling. Well, a fool with them, but now spelling auto-checking works in almost any browser. Yes Yes! Such a red wavy line shows: but are you not a stupid person, sir? Maybe take a closer look and place letters in their places?
                Help link for the gifted:
                Propaganda (Latin propaganda literally - “subject to distribution (faith)”, from Latin propago - “distribute”) - in modern political discourse is understood as the dissemination of views, facts, arguments and other information, including rumors or knowingly false information, to form public opinion or other goals pursued by propagandists.

                I draw your attention to the fact that this word does not just need to be spelled correctly, but also that the subject of this word smoking is not possible by definition, so you need to be really stoned by the phishington propaganda in order to write such nonsense. I also think that rimys2220 generally has little control over the topic, because I don’t know what country Milosevic ruled, as well as the names of the rulers of Iraq and Libya. In addition, it seems that he is not aware that many countries that have very different political systems organize military parades in general, this is a common practice. Moreover, in addition to military parades, there are gay parades with the participation of all LGBT communities ...
                Parade (fr. Parade, Spanish. Parada, from lat. Paro) - solemn passage (solemn march) of troops or military equipment. It is carried out, as a rule, on days of official holidays, celebrations of state and military significance, as well as after the completion of major military exercises (historical maneuvers). Less commonly, parades are called the solemn passage of various collectives, organizations, movements or parties. Also, the parade - artists enter the stage (circus arena) before or after the performance.

                By the way, the last one is called parade alle ...
                Parades were held in the armies of Ancient Egypt, Persia, Rome and other states. One of the forms of parades in the armies of Ancient Rome was the Roman triumphs - the solemn entry into the capital of the victorious commander and his troops. The parades became very widespread in the XNUMXth century in Western Europe (Prussia and other countries), where they were one of the main types of drill.
                In the Russian army, parades have been widely used since the end of the XNUMXth century. In St. Petersburg, large parades were held annually: winter - on Palace Square and spring - on the Champ de Mars. In addition, an annual summer parade was held in Krasnoye Selo. Large parades involving troops from several military districts ended military maneuvers. Parades were also held on the occasion of military holidays and anniversaries of military units.

                Something like this! fool
              21. astronom1973n
                astronom1973n April 22 2015 17: 57 New
                0
                What kind of propaganda are you stoned yourself? Nobody forgot anything! They will remember about you! bully
              22. metronome
                metronome April 22 2015 18: 21 New
                0
                Milosevic and Iraq did not have S-300 and Triumph with Libya, so they paid ...
              23. glasha3032
                glasha3032 April 22 2015 19: 00 New
                0
                History Lesson -1945 - WE ARE IN BERLIN !!! Do not forget !
              24. Twilight
                Twilight April 23 2015 12: 09 New
                0
                Of course, I’m stoned by M.L.I when drying and yaks are being run over my head, I am very stoned and happy about this condition because I know that we can give stars and not frail ...
              25. Twilight
                Twilight April 23 2015 12: 09 New
                0
                Of course, I’m stoned by M.L.I when drying and yaks are being run over my head, I am very stoned and happy about this condition because I know that we can give stars and not frail ...
              26. Penzyac
                Penzyac April 23 2015 18: 59 New
                0
                Quote: rimys2220
                The Presidents of IRAQ AND LIVIA, as well as Milosevic also made parades and where are they now? Are you all stoned by the Kremlin prapogandy In 1941, too, was a cap-bail and that showed the beginning of the war .............. There is a saying who the old will remember that voice over and whoever forgets both translates it for brakes. Who forgets the lessons of history is blind to both eyes. hi

                Вы всё это Порошенко и Обаме передайте, они тоже парады проводят, да ещё и с Россией "воюют", "дранг нах остен" пусть вспомнят и чем он закончился... Что думают, что они умнее, сильнее и удачливее Гитлера? Или думают, что русские больше уже совсем не те?...
              27. DarkRiver
                DarkRiver April 24 2015 11: 02 New
                0
                Quote: rimys2220
                The Presidents of IRAQ AND LIVIA, as well as Milosevic also made parades and where are they now? Are you all stoned by the Kremlin prapogandy In 1941, too, was a cap-bail and that showed the beginning of the war .............. There is a saying who the old will remember that voice over and whoever forgets both translates it for brakes. Who forgets the lessons of history is blind to both eyes. hi

                The fact of the matter is that Milosevic and Gaddafi did not have Armat, S-400 and especially Topol, huh))
            4. Aqela
              Aqela April 22 2015 10: 10 New
              0
              By the degree of testing of military equipment, apparently, the cart should be led by scrap carts loaded with builders with crowbars and shovels! That's what over the centuries tested at 100% !!! laughing
            5. leytenant
              leytenant April 23 2015 11: 55 New
              0
              Short and to the point! I support one hundred percent. The rest engaged in demagogy, divorced Srach.
          2. xan
            xan April 21 2015 14: 56 New
            16
            Quote: aktanir
            At the Victory Parade should appear weapons models tested by testing, time, training grounds, etc., and not prototypes. You need to be realistic, not braggarts.

            Are you afraid that ours will be managed? I do not care. The tank has a new concept, it’s not a pound of raisins. It is important that they go forward, here you can do it 50 times.
            And I liked the tank, it looks tight.
            1. opus
              opus April 21 2015 17: 49 New
              -1
              Quote: xan
              . The tank has a new concept, it’s not a pound of raisins

              можно по подробнее о "новой концепции"?
              I, how many did not read, did not peer:


              / no gugo

              Armata vs. Leopard new Russian tank will surpass all world analogues of the military-industrial complex name?

              Well yes...
          3. alleksSalut4507
            alleksSalut4507 April 21 2015 15: 24 New
            +4
            you talk like a person in years, balanced, but not like living in Russia, am I wrong?
          4. alleksSalut4507
            alleksSalut4507 April 21 2015 15: 24 New
            0
            you talk like a person in years, balanced, but not like living in Russia, am I wrong?
          5. cast iron
            cast iron April 21 2015 16: 18 New
            16
            Dear friend. Even under the USSR, it was customary to introduce the latest technology to parades. There were cases even when the equipment passed at the parade, but they were not accepted for service. The parade is a propaganda show that should show the population that everything is in order with the army, and that it should be clear to a Western partner that the Russians have not forgotten how to make deadly modern weapons
          6. Pomah
            Pomah April 21 2015 16: 46 New
            0
            then only T - 34 ...
          7. Shuttle
            Shuttle April 21 2015 17: 05 New
            11
            Quote: aktanir
            On what basis is this done? The technique has not really been tested yet and no one has proven that it is anything better than at least its Russian predecessors. They stupidly want to put it on display only because it is new ??? Hardly rolled off the assembly line? At the Victory Parade should appear weapons models tested by testing, time, training grounds, etc., and not prototypes. You need to be realistic, not braggarts.

            Tanks IS-3 71-th guards heavy tank regiment at a joint military parade in Berlin in honor of the victory. September 1945
            Based on and such a precedent.
            Once in Berlin they showed and then nowhere, no one was shot at from him.
            Да, ИС-3 оказался "сырым" танком. Да, его производство было очень недолгим. Но он стал большим шагом для нашей оборонной промышленности, для нашей обороны, а главное - для нашей обороноспособности. Ну и конечно, дубиной с большим потенциалом, которую увидели в наших руках союзники.
            Let it be with the new technology as well. Let her never fight at all. At least in Russia.
            And let our sworn friends see her. They see and draw conclusions.
            1. opus
              opus April 21 2015 18: 02 New
              +9
              Quote: Shuttle
              and then nowhere, no one was shot at from him.

              Come on.
              1. The war is over. Dragging them half the world across from the cardboard of the Kwantung army is pointless
              2.IS-3 used in the suppression of the Hungarian uprising of 1956 of the year
              3.IS-3 (M) were used during the Six Day War of the 1967 of the year. 72 of the tank is lost by the valiant Egyptians (abandoned)
              4. In the DPRK in the 60's, they shot

              Quote: Shuttle
              ИС-3 оказался "сырым" танком.


              Not raw, but a wartime product: “products of a special period”
              -transmission IS-3 = kinematic scheme from KV-1С
              - Short-term firing and military tests and limited use of the IS-3 in combat
              -supporting rollers Is-2, gearbox with a multiplier and planetary rotation mechanisms - the same as on the IS-, 2 if I am not mistaken
              etc.

              Fridolin von Senger und Etterlin private trader of the First and Second World Wars, general of the tank forces, knight cross with Oak leaves, military expert of the Bundeswehr:
              “The rational design of the bow of the hull and turret is commendable. In addition, this tank has a very low height. For the 1956 year, the IS-3 tank retains the best combination of combat qualities for a heavy vehicle ”.

              By IS-3 immediately (even bast shoes, like me) you can see a breakthrough, a masterpiece:


              About T-14 ..... armata in one word: the ancient name of the artillery gun that appeared in Russia in the 2 half of the 14 century. A.'s trunk was made of iron, which was folded into a tube and then a seam was welded; large caliber gun barrel, made of several welded strips of iron.
              1. combat192
                combat192 April 21 2015 20: 21 New
                +5
                In the DPRK in the 60's, they shot

                In whom? The war in Korea ended in 1953. A number of IS-3 tanks were transferred to the DPRK government after the war in Korea ended. Two separate tank regiments were formed from them.
                1. Aqela
                  Aqela April 22 2015 11: 41 New
                  0
                  http://ria.ru/spravka/20130330/930106249.html
                  Кстати, по правилам летоисчисления, так как нет годов "нулевых", как это не парадоксально, правильно говорить 20-е годы про годы с 11 по 20-й, сороковые про годы с 31 по 40-й, 60-е - про годы с 51-го по 60-й...
                  It is also true that the natural account is conducted not from scratch, but from one, and there wasn’t a year from the Nativity of Christ, from 1st BC (-1, with your permission) immediately went 1st . e.
                  So formally everything is said correctly, although it sounds strange, because in everyday life the severity of expressions is often not respected and, say, 40s are called years from 40th to 49th, and not from 31st to 40th th ...
              2. oldbuddy
                oldbuddy April 21 2015 20: 44 New
                +5
                АРМАТА, старинное названіе артил. орудія; слово перешло къ намъ изъ Польши вмѣстѣ съ первымъ артил. орудіемъ. "Лѣта 6897 вывезли изъ нѣмецъ арматы на Русь и огненную стрѣльбу и отъ того часа уразумѣти изъ нихъ стрѣляти", — гласитъ Голицинская лѣтопись.
              3. Aqela
                Aqela April 22 2015 11: 00 New
                -1
                I think that precisely because of the dampness and worthlessness of the IS-3 was at the storage bases until 1992 and officially withdrawn from service in 1985, along with the T-10M breakthrough tank ...
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              5. Shuttle
                Shuttle April 22 2015 11: 27 New
                +1
                Quote: opus
                Come on.
                1. The war is over. Dragging them half the world across from the cardboard of the Kwantung army is pointless
                2.IS-3 used in the suppression of the Hungarian uprising of 1956 of the year
                3.IS-3 (M) were used during the Six Day War of the 1967 of the year. 72 of the tank is lost by the valiant Egyptians (abandoned)
                4. In the DPRK in the 60's, they shot

                For you, opus, it is written: At least in Russia.
                1. - yes, right. There he was redundant.
                2. - That's it - abandoned, not destroyed in battle.
                3. - used and shot, you see, things are different. And then, the Hungarian uprising is not a war at all.
                4. - in exercises. The war in Korea ended a few years earlier than we put the IS-3 there.

                By the way, Wiki is good not only for WHAT it is written in, but also for storing links to WHY it is so written, i.e. on the source. RTFM
            2. rJIiOK
              rJIiOK April 21 2015 19: 31 New
              +9
              That parade, perhaps, became one of the factors preventing the 3 world immediately after the defeat of Germany.

              Allied tanks immediately at once became powerless tins against Soviet tank forces. Yes, and looked something pale. Allies were in great shock)

              And someone else is arguing about the futility of the parades.
              1. Aqela
                Aqela April 22 2015 11: 45 New
                0
                Well, the M28 and M34, M48 were, in general, not bad tanks. However, the influence of the Soviet school of tank building can be traced in their appearance noticeably ... And M60 something - obviously taking into account the appearance of the T54 and T-55 ...
            3. satris
              satris April 22 2015 06: 42 New
              +3
              Да как сказать... Помнится, была где-то статейка с заголовком: "ИС-3 - танк, который предотвратил 3 мировую войну".
          8. ReutovIvan
            ReutovIvan April 21 2015 17: 46 New
            +6
            Бывало такое раньше. Нормально это. В СССР заказывали небольшие партии новой боевой техники, находящейся на этапе испытаний, специально для парадов... Вы, похоже, по принципу "баба-яга против", возмущение ради возмущения.
          9. Jovanny
            Jovanny April 21 2015 17: 46 New
            +5
            Yes, in general, it is true, the same T-72 seems to have been tested for three years or more.
            but I’ll answer so that it’s necessary to show, because the time is not simple and it’s better to promote, but to show NATO that it’s better not to think about a war than to hide, run in and then use it in a war.
            It must be shown to be feared, right now.
          10. Maks-80
            Maks-80 April 21 2015 17: 49 New
            +8
            In Soviet times, parades were constantly shown the latest and most promising weapons. Figuratively speaking, literally only those who just left the assembly line of the plant.
          11. oldkap22
            oldkap22 April 21 2015 18: 42 New
            +2
            the parade shows both the people and the potential adversary. where the people's money is coming from. that the country has not only balabol but also hard workers ... that industry has restored cooperative chains ...
          12. combat192
            combat192 April 21 2015 19: 07 New
            +3
            Is-3 also did not participate in the Second World War, but nonetheless participated in the parade of the victorious allied armies in Berlin.
            1. Aqela
              Aqela April 22 2015 12: 29 New
              0
              Strictly speaking, it was adopted at the end of 1944, it simply did not have time to form and sweeten the units.
          13. 4 wheels
            4 wheels April 21 2015 20: 30 New
            +1
            Hardly rolled off the assembly line

            Such information is unlikely to be told to plain civilians or unauthorized servicemen.
            Maybe he was already tested somewhere in the battle, just did not light, quietly so to speak ... yes
          14. ikrut
            ikrut April 21 2015 23: 20 New
            +1
            Насчет "обводов" под брезентом...Они ПОД БРЕЗЕНТОМ. Где-то проскочила статейка (даже фотки были) о том, что под брезент и на Т-14 и других новинок подкладывали ящики и фанерные конструкции, дабы не просматривались истинные контуры. Как увидим на Параде оригиналы - тогда и будет иметь смысл обсуждать контуры того, что пока спрятано. Как говорил О.Бендер: "Когда будут бить - будете плакать":)
          15. gav6757
            gav6757 April 21 2015 23: 33 New
            -1
            А по моему всё ясно! Пинд@сы сейчас вой поднимут, но с пониманием. Они это понимание получили от "СУшки" в Черном море, от "Булавы" на Камчатке, на очереди Москва!
            Let angry pad.lugi and saliva sprinkle ...
          16. Locksmith
            Locksmith April 22 2015 13: 04 New
            0
            Quote: aktanir
            You need to be realistic, not braggarts.

            Небольшой троллинг очень полезен для наших "партнеров",мы дохрена денег потратили на новый танк-они нет,вот пусть в авральном порядке вбухивают миллиарды догоняя нас wink
            destroying their economy, everything is exactly as it was in the days of the USSR, it was their turn to suffer.
          17. demon is ada
            demon is ada April 22 2015 16: 06 New
            0
            I'm crying ... crying
            Quote: aktanir
            There is another question about the appearance of the T-14 at the Victory Parade. On what basis is this done? The technique has not really been tested yet and no one has proven that it is anything better than at least its Russian predecessors. They stupidly want to put it on display only because it is new ??? Hardly rolled off the assembly line?

            And let me ask ... even ashamed somehow repeat ... And who do you think knows better what this sample is ??? Is it not the design office that designed the T72, and T90, etc. ??? laughing Probably since they did Armata, probably they were no longer satisfied with previous models ??? Is there logic? laughing
            В Вашем комментарии таки просматриваются "грыночное начало" - частник лепит какую нибудь штуковину, а потом расхваливает для того что бы втюхать, а далее через некоторое время выясняется что это далеко не соответствует заявлениям продавца... Как бы Вам объяснить то... Это Россия... Тут много чего делается непонятно для западного рыночного ума...
          18. maai
            maai April 22 2015 23: 24 New
            +1
            And you yourself do not understand something, that you are bullshit !?
            Про деформирующую окраску слыхом не слыхивал! Что такое "скрыть под брезентом" - понять не можешь!? Или считаешь, что все что нужно скрыть, - надо в облипочку тканью обмотать, чтоб только цвета видно не было? Смешная наивность, до глупого.

            По поводу нового на парадах! У нас в России (не знаю как у "вас") если что-то показывают на людях (военное), то значит это либо уже устарело с точки зрения секретности, либо готово к применению и вводится в эксплуатацию.

            PS Многие чудаки души не чают в "иностранном", "импортном" и "заграничном". Потому, что про свое толком ничего не знают. А для того чтобы у нас в стране быть в курсе дела - надо служить и(или) работать ТАМ где НАДО! И это правильно. "Тот у кого есть удостоверение - им где попало не размахивает и не светится".

            Никто тебе "шайтан трубу" не покажет, тебе знать не положено, зачем? да и хвастливость - не про нас. А если и покажут, - то предварительно спилят пол ствола и прикрутят сверху фанерный гарнитур. ))) ...молодо зелено.
          19. Zionist 13
            Zionist 13 April 24 2015 00: 51 New
            0
            weapon of victory
          20. shultc
            shultc April 24 2015 09: 57 New
            0
            Пусть вероятные противники смотрят и боятся.))) А если серьезно, то это шаг вперед для технического прогресса. Застой в конструкторских головах чреват непредсказуемыми последствиями. Мож, это тоже промежуточный вариант-дальше еще круче будет. Ведь что мы имеем на противоположной чаше весов: десятилетиями выпускаемые и слегка модернизируемые Абрамсы, Меркавы, Леопарды... китайские клоны наших Т-72- "Типы" всех мастей. Тут абсолютно новая платформа с возможностью разнообразного обвеса. Нет, все-таки пусть боятся!
        2. Kibalchish
          Kibalchish April 21 2015 15: 30 New
          +5
          By the way, regarding the view ... Why is the coalition platform of six skating rinks?
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        4. vlade99
          vlade99 April 21 2015 17: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: Fin
          You have not beguiled with the Detroit Auto Show?

          Take a look at the pictures. The T-14 has seven rinks, the Coalition has six. This is strange, if on one base then. On the crafts of Bondarchuk Jr. are similar.
          1. kenig1
            kenig1 April 21 2015 18: 06 New
            +1
            Кто вам сказал, что "Коалиция" и "Армата" строятся на одной базе? "Коалиция" проектировалась раньше "Арматы" и на базе "Мста-С". Планируется в последующем использовать базу "Арматы" для других систем.
            1. Serg 122
              Serg 122 April 21 2015 18: 47 New
              0
              Quote...
              Кто вам сказал, что "Коалиция" и "Армата" строятся на одной базе? "Коалиция" проектировалась раньше "Арматы" и на базе "Мста-С". Планируется в последующем использовать базу "Арматы" для других систем.

              So the author said so! Read the caption under the photo carefully: hi
              1. eskela
                eskela April 21 2015 21: 00 New
                +4
                the author was mistaken, the Coalition has 6 ice rinks in the photo and Armata 7 has different bases wassat
            2. Setrac
              Setrac April 21 2015 20: 39 New
              +2
              Quote: kenig1
              "Коалиция" проектировалась раньше "Арматы" и на базе "Мста-С".

              Did Msta-S have its own base?
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        6. opus
          opus April 21 2015 17: 46 New
          -5
          Quote: Fin
          You have not beguiled with the Detroit Auto Show?

          The man asked a specific question in the subject. And justified.
          What's wrong? and what does the North American International Auto Show have to do with it?
          ---------------------------------------------------------------
          I was the same (the appearance that under the awning) was not impressed.
          her bo is:

          more like the 5 generation

          all the more so:


          --------------------------------

          This, however, was not impressed:

          1. kenig1
            kenig1 April 21 2015 18: 08 New
            14
            Not impressive on the tower frame stands, on which the tent is pulled.
            1. opus
              opus April 21 2015 18: 28 New
              -9
              Quote: kenig1
              Not impressive on the tower frame stands, on which the tent is pulled.

              The frame has nothing to do with it.
              In general, something is wrong:
              -hull (height, rear)
              - side / side protection patches
              -tower installation is clearly not ice, what should be on the uninhabited, some sort of abrash cropped
              -trunk? Is it 105 mm? (If you attach to the rink)
              etc.
              Bradley some kind

              -------------------------
              maybe I'm wrong, time will tell
              1. kenig1
                kenig1 April 21 2015 18: 38 New
                +3
                Я про "Армату", а вы судя по вашей фотографии про "Курганец"?
                1. opus
                  opus April 21 2015 19: 02 New
                  +1
                  Quote: kenig1
                  Я про "Армату", а вы судя по вашей фотографии про "Курганец"?

                  So do I.



                  БрЕдли- это про "Курганец"



                  platform one.
                  Не находите,что выглядит "кургузо"?
                  Но не суть,"концепция" одна
                  As the specialist writes:
                  Quote: xan
                  The tank has a new concept, it’s not a pound of raisins.

                  / the truth can’t answer, just minus
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac April 21 2015 20: 41 New
                    +2
                    Quote: opus
                    БрЕдли- это про "Курганец"

                    Correctly say:
                    Is it nonsense?
              2. cast iron
                cast iron April 21 2015 19: 52 New
                +4
                Не похожа на БМП-2? Вы опечалены? Зато солдаты в боевом отделении будут нормально сидеть, а не согнувшись в три погибели. Да и по высоте "курганец-25" все же пониже всеми любимого кирпича "бредли".
          2. cast iron
            cast iron April 21 2015 19: 50 New
            +4
            Ваш удел няшные прикольные картиночки разглядывать и рисовать красивые анимешные танки на листках тетрадей в клеточку)))) "Внешний вид не впечатлил"))) В Гугле наберите "Анна Семенович" - вот уж действительно впечатлитесь внешним видом.
            1. opus
              opus April 21 2015 20: 50 New
              0
              Quote: cast iron
              Your lot of cute cool pictures

              Ну хотя бы не удел крикливого какла (пусть и с другим знаком,а так все то же самое),вам надо цензор посетить ,там усе знают про "удел2 совершенно незнакомых людей.
              and so, I will answer (my opinion, regarding you, coincides with MT):
              1. cast iron
                cast iron April 21 2015 22: 17 New
                0
                Анимешечки лучше разглядывайте - они красивее "арматы".
                1. opus
                  opus April 22 2015 01: 00 New
                  -2
                  Quote: cast iron
                  Anime cheats better look

                  Займитесь лучше сЕксом с "Дунькой Кулаковой" (что вам привычнее), полегчает
        7. Xergey
          Xergey April 21 2015 17: 59 New
          +4
          It seems that this man just wanted to justify Armata, but only by cunning, so that no one would suspect)
          1. opus
            opus April 21 2015 18: 25 New
            -9
            Quote: KSergey
            It seems that this man just wanted to justify Armata, but only by cunning, so that no one would suspect)

            That way:
            http://topwar.ru/73579-dnr-24-syn-dones-v-sbu-odessy-na-otca-separatista.html
            "DNR-24": In Odessa, the son reported to the SBU on the father of the "separatist"
            =========================
            Донесите на человека ,который "хотел".
        8. ans
          ans April 21 2015 22: 05 New
          -5
          there is nothing to ernichat ... vidok - worse than that of Polish cuttlefish ...
        9. BLACK-SHARK-64
          BLACK-SHARK-64 April 22 2015 08: 33 New
          0
          И вообще товарищ не понял, что "Армата" это база... На этой базе поставь , что хошь, любую башню, арт установку, хоть ПЗРК, да хоть голую бабу, лишь врага замочить... Внешний вид обманчив... И никогда не скажет о боевой характиристике объекта.... А мне даже очень впечатляет... angry
      2. bistrov.
        bistrov. April 21 2015 14: 47 New
        15
        In all likelihood, the autoloader and ammunition are located in the tower, which is why it is so voluminous. In addition, I think there are a lot of other equipment, including a radar station.
        1. PROXOR
          PROXOR April 21 2015 15: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: bistrov.
          In all likelihood, the autoloader and ammunition are located in the tower, which is why it is so voluminous. In addition, I think there are a lot of other equipment, including a radar station.

          I’ll also remind the distinguished public that this tank must fight light air targets, like UAVs and enemy attack helicopters. I don’t expect to see air-to-air missile weapons there (although you can push a couple of packets of arrows), but there’s why 30 mm automatic guns from the sides of the tower aren’t. One thing confuses me in the new tower. Something the gun is thin and short. The 2A82 gun, according to the idea, should be longer, but it seems to me both thin and the same in length as on the T-90 tank.
          1. Andrey_tv
            Andrey_tv April 21 2015 15: 55 New
            17
            Quote: PROXOR
            One thing confuses me in the new tower. Something the gun is thin and short. The 2A82 gun, according to the idea, should be longer, but it seems to me both thin and the same in length as on the T-90 tank.

            How to understand a little thin? The caliber of the gun, like the T-90, is 125 mm, so it certainly cannot be thinner. On the gun there is no thermal jacket and ejector. Maybe that's why it seems thinner to you. The ejector is not needed because the tower is not inhabited. But the thermal cover can be removable and has not yet been installed, or with modern electronics calculating the bending of the barrel, it is simply not needed. The designers are not worse than you and I obviously calculated this question. And the barrel is long ... we don’t know how far the breech of the gun is located in the tower, respectively, we don’t know how long it is.
          2. Rex
            Rex April 21 2015 16: 10 New
            +6
            The 2A82 gun, according to the idea, should be longer, but it seems to me both thin and the same in length as on the T-90 tank.
            There was no exact information on the barrel length.
            There were rumors that there would be 55 calibers (the T90 is like 51 - that is, plus 60 cm), but there were also rumors that it would be shorter by 60 cm than the Leopard (the last modification is just 55) with more power.
            And how it looks visually: +/- 60 cm are not obvious.
          3. Setrac
            Setrac April 21 2015 20: 43 New
            +2
            Quote: PROXOR
            One thing confuses me in the new tower. Something the gun is thin and short.

            Perhaps this is not a cannon thin and short, but a larger tank?
      3. RIDIK
        RIDIK April 21 2015 15: 11 New
        +2
        if the characteristics are not impressive, then I agree with you.
      4. Technologist
        Technologist April 21 2015 15: 24 New
        +5
        We don’t know what is under the tarp ...
      5. Baemaley99
        Baemaley99 April 21 2015 15: 41 New
        +6
        Уважаемый "автор" ! На Ваш "ДЕЛИТАНТСКИЙ" взгляд многое не красиво . Фашистские "ТИГРЫ" и "ПАНТЕРЫ" тоже "покрасившее" наших "ласточек" были . И где они в итоге? Если желаете покрасивее , могу изваять из полимерной глины любой футуристический танк для Вашего ЭГО .
        1. REZMovec
          REZMovec April 21 2015 15: 55 New
          +6
          And why were the T-5 and T-6 more beautiful than ours ???
          1. cast iron
            cast iron April 21 2015 16: 22 New
            +4
            Штурмовые САУ были красивые у немцев. Низкие, клиновидные, как "ламборгини"))))
        2. rimys2220
          rimys2220 April 21 2015 16: 42 New
          -27
          Уважаемый "автор" ! На Ваш "ДЕЛИТАНТСКИЙ" взгляд ....Обращаю вас к истории товарищи 1943-1944....... на один тигр подбитый приходилась до 5 т-34-43 и т-34 -85 это дожно было о чем то читайте мемуары написаны кровью танкистов вечная им память !У нас теперь столько людей нет, только у китайцев они в наличии.
          1. ssergn
            ssergn April 21 2015 17: 20 New
            +7
            Now study the Wehrmacht's armored vehicle fleet. Tigers are not the most common car.
          2. Petr_175
            Petr_175 April 21 2015 17: 43 New
            +7
            Excuse me, what is the T-34-43? And how in 1943 could the T-34-85 fight?
            1. sssla
              sssla April 21 2015 22: 01 New
              +3
              Quote: Petr_175
              Excuse me, what is the T-34-43? And how in 1943 could the T-34-85 fight?

              But he himself doesn’t understand what Che is saying)) Mamerope’s job at work) Do not bother)))
          3. Gomunkul
            Gomunkul April 21 2015 17: 49 New
            11
            up to 5 t-34-43 and t-34 -85 accounted for one tiger
            Comparing a heavy tank and a medium tank is not entirely correct, it is better to compare the Tigers and ISs. hi
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          5. cast iron
            cast iron April 21 2015 19: 06 New
            10
            Тигр был хорош только как замаскированный артиллерийский ДОТ. Во всем остальном это был не самый лучший танк. В бою нужен маневр, тактический и стратегический. Тигры не могли совершать глубокие прорывы с охватами тыловых соединений. А Т-34 - мог. Тем более надо вам сравнивать КВ и ИС с Тиграми. Вдруг окажется, что на один русский КВ-1 приходилось по 4-5 "великогерманских" PzIII и PzIV
            1. Vasily Krylov
              Vasily Krylov April 22 2015 19: 47 New
              0
              I have already specified above 1 to 27 in our favor.
          6. kenig1
            kenig1 April 21 2015 19: 28 New
            10
            How many T-34s were on the account of PzKpfw III. Read about Lavrinenko who destroyed 5 Nazi tanks in the T-34 during the 52 months of the war. READ MEMOIRS .......
            1. cast iron
              cast iron April 21 2015 19: 55 New
              +6
              The Chukchi is not a reader - the Chukchi is a writer))) The Tiger is so beautiful, cute and formidable !!! Not that the ugly T-35s))) And the shape of the Fritz from BOSS is very stylish. Not like the Soviet quilted jackets.
          7. Shishiga
            Shishiga April 21 2015 20: 22 New
            11
            up to 5 t-34-43 and t-34 -85 accounted for one tiger


            And the Germans, according to their order, didn’t go to one TIG by less than a platoon of Tigers. By the way, cars of one class are heavy.

            "Сообщения танковых войск", пункт №7:
            "Ни в коем случае нельзя ввязываться в поединок со "Сталиными" (ИС-2) не имея подавляющего численного преимущества в боевой силе. Я полагаю, что на каждого "Сталина" должен приходиться взвод Тигров. Попытки Тигра бороться со "Сталиным" один на один могут привести лишь к бессмысленной потере боевой машины".
          8. Blackgrifon
            Blackgrifon April 21 2015 22: 30 New
            +3
            Quote: rimys2220
            Уважаемый "автор" ! На Ваш "ДЕЛИТАНТСКИЙ" взгляд ....Обращаю вас к истории товарищи 1943-1944....... на один тигр подбитый приходилась до 5 т-34-43 и т-34 -85 это дожно было о чем то читайте мемуары написаны кровью танкистов вечная им память !У нас теперь столько людей нет, только у китайцев они в наличии.

            But the Germans had a circular - tigers did not enter the battle with IS-2.
            You compared the medium tank (T-34) and the heavy (Tiger), which is not entirely correct. Let me remind you that at the same time, one of the most successful single-player battles in history - 22: 0 - was achieved on KV-1 near Leningrad.
          9. demon is ada
            demon is ada April 22 2015 16: 21 New
            0
            Counterquestion tongue
            How many tigers were in sq1 at the beginning ??? wassat
            How much did IP account for ???
            Do not confuse cars of different classes, this is the first. The second - from my childhood friend, my grandfather fought on T34 from 43 until the end of the war, changed six cars, and the losses were in the carriage once, and that was due to shelling during the halt outside the car. But in principle it is a special case, to say that the crews did not die at all, this is not true. Ghibli, like the tiger crews ...
      6. Echelon
        Echelon April 21 2015 16: 54 New
        10
        But it didn’t occur to you that there is a frame between the tarpaulin and the existing tower that hides and distorts the true dimensions, proportions and generally the whole view, so that by May 9 there would remain intrigue. Do not consider yourself smarter than the Odessa rabbi, UVZ also doesn’t work for fools, and the designers are well aware that the area of ​​defeat depends on sailing.
        1. satris
          satris April 22 2015 06: 51 New
          0
          100%! The tower is really smaller.
      7. vladstro
        vladstro April 21 2015 17: 34 New
        +3
        And where did you distinguished aktanir see the tower on the armature, and even talked about the size, in my opinion, boxes are hidden under the tarpaulin that hide the true dimensions and characteristics. turrets and weapons.
      8. kenig1
        kenig1 April 21 2015 17: 56 New
        +2
        It is impossible to determine the frame and the exact silhouette under the awnings. Do not cry, all the more armor breaks through.
      9. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock April 21 2015 17: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: aktanir
        I don’t understand why the uninhabited tower turned out to be so large.

        An uninhabited tower should be kept sort of like ammunition. Therefore, a big one. Plus there should be various radar and mini-air defense sensors.
      10. oldkap22
        oldkap22 April 21 2015 18: 31 New
        +2
        probably the dimensions of the turret-az were affected by the dimensions and bk including ... I'm glad that the crew has a free exit at any position of the turret ... well, and practice, the criterion of truth. what will the troops say ...
      11. lelikas
        lelikas April 21 2015 18: 36 New
        +8
        Quote: aktanir
        . Даже у обитаемой башни модернизированной "Меркавы" вид намного более осмысленный, очень плоский, плавный и оригинальный.

        What does the tower of Merkava look like in real life? - a welded box, everything else - mounted elements, armor, active protection and even plywood.
        The tower of Almaty, can be made of any shape.
      12. Talgat
        Talgat April 21 2015 19: 18 New
        +9
        Quote: aktanir
        the appearance of the tank was not impressive, sorry.


        but I like it, and not such a large uninhabited module - it's because of the tarp

        Вообще сейчас многие страны делают новые танки - очень "продвинутые" и Китай и корея и Турки "алтай" - но мне по душе, что Армата новая "принципиально" - сама компоновка революционна - хотя эти идеи и "витали в воздухе" - но первыми сделали Армату все таки

        It will be from the Russian Federation - which means we will buy it soon - so Kazakhstan will have not only Su 30 with C-300 and 400 and air superiority, but also Almaty and air superiority
      13. Setrac
        Setrac April 21 2015 20: 03 New
        +3
        Quote: aktanir
        In any case, I really want to listen to the developers and see the tank not at the Parade, but in practice - somewhere at the training ground.

        Why are you interested in?
        1. Kalinov Bridge
          Kalinov Bridge April 21 2015 20: 08 New
          +2
          Quote: Setrac
          Why are you interested in?

          A characteristic phrase ...
          The dashing nineties, the criminal past ...
          Или просто "блеснуть" хотелось?
          1. Setrac
            Setrac April 21 2015 20: 38 New
            +2
            Quote: Kalinov Most
            A characteristic phrase ...
            The dashing nineties, the criminal past ...
            Или просто "блеснуть" хотелось?

            Option number three.
            In addition - this is unhealthy garbage - to be interested in classified information.
            1. Kalinov Bridge
              Kalinov Bridge April 21 2015 21: 11 New
              0
              Quote: Setrac
              In addition - this is unhealthy garbage - to be interested in classified information.

              So after all, unhealthy euphoria and so far not justified enthusiasm about the Almaty, that's the interest - but really what? Nothing unhealthy. It’s not healthy to roll out equipment that hasn’t even been put into service, let alone an almost experimental batch.
              And what vulgarity - to keep secret from their own?

              "Глупый пингвин робко прячет.
              Умный - гордо достает!" laughing
              1. Setrac
                Setrac April 21 2015 22: 22 New
                +1
                Quote: Kalinov Most
                It’s not healthy to roll out equipment that hasn’t even been put into service, let alone an almost experimental batch.

                I do not see anything wrong!
                Quote: Kalinov Most
                And what vulgarity - to keep secret from their own?

                probably secrecy was not just invented?
                1. Kalinov Bridge
                  Kalinov Bridge April 21 2015 22: 33 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Setrac
                  I do not see anything wrong!

                  Yes, and good in window dressing is usually not enough.

                  Quote: Setrac
                  probably secrecy was not just invented?

                  The secrecy of secrecy is different.
                  Помнится был у нас в армии журнал "Зарубежное военное обозрение" где приводились ТТХ зарубежной техники и вооружения. При этом узнать ТТХ (и сравнить) ТТХ нашей техники было весьма затруднительно. Вопросы воспринимались как попытка шпионажа.
                  I think that abroad the technical characteristics of our technology are not a secret, but inappropriate secrecy is shown to us
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac April 22 2015 18: 48 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Kalinov Most
                    Yes, and good in window dressing is usually not enough.

                    Polish tank Anders - this is a show. and the equipment being tested before mass production is not a show.
                    Quote: Kalinov Most
                    I think that abroad the performance characteristics of our technology are not a secret

                    I think the enemy intelligence did not manage to get the characteristics of the new tank.
                  2. demon is ada
                    demon is ada April 23 2015 01: 46 New
                    0
                    Dear, in this issue you do not take into account one factor
                    Quote: Kalinov Most
                    At the same time, it was very difficult to find out the TTX (and compare) the TTX of our equipment. Questions were perceived as an attempt at espionage.

                    Вам когда нибудь приходилось поднимать в атаку бойцов сравнивших ТТХ не в свою пользу, или ставших жертвой пропаганды "фсе омериканское есть кууул" ??? Хотя "более худшие характеристики" чисто сравнительный материал для специалистов и в реальности роли вообще никакой не играют?
                    Let me give you an example of how you had to convince that the M16 was an average dull g, not a masterpiece ... The question was about the accuracy of shooting, but the M16 is better, but it doesn’t play any role at short distances, and it’s very difficult to see the chest target from 500 meters through a standard scope, not to mention aiming fire. That’s what makes it easier to make a sniper rifle out of it, it’s obvious. But there is a sniper, and there is an infantryman. And for close combat more important is a more powerful cartridge and bullet with increased penetration, taking into account armor on the infantry.
                    All this is given as an example of an information war, and how, without firing a single shot, make the enemy surrender ...
      14. nemo778
        nemo778 April 22 2015 03: 41 New
        +4
        Уважаемый aktanir!Для начало посмотрите это видео! Да и тем, кто не видел, я думаю будет интересно!Похоже башня у "Арматы" реально замаскирована ящиками под брезентом!Присмотритесь внимательно!Похоже мы увидим башню, что на чертежах! Ходовая по крайней мере один в один! Если это так! Я в полном восторге!Это просто бомба! love
        1. satris
          satris April 22 2015 07: 00 New
          0
          Shine! Well done guys (developers)! Thank you for the video! Impressive. And inspiring.
      15. 205577
        205577 April 22 2015 05: 17 New
        +2
        Не согласен только по поводу элегантности "Меркавы".
        And so, I looked at the photos and also do not see any reason for joy so far - this is a real cat in a bag, not even in a figurative sense.
        Even at first glance, the technique is not in our tradition - a tall box with virtually no effective tilt angles. There is no swiftness, low silhouettes characteristic of our tanks. In the absence of any characteristics, in this case it is possible to judge only by its appearance, I personally did not like it - either a German leopard, or something else big, formidable, but without the possibility of maneuver - an excellent target.
        At the same time, as far as I remember, the shell now wins the armor.
        In short, many were only happy that they were shown something covered with burlap, in my opinion stupid.
      16. Russian phoenix
        Russian phoenix April 22 2015 05: 57 New
        +1
        Quote: aktanir
        Даже у обитаемой башни модернизированной "Меркавы" вид намного более осмысленный, очень плоский, плавный и оригинальный.


        What to do? We do not have such tankers to squeeze into an Israeli flat tower lol .

        I had to get out of my head this way ... It is terrible to think what these Russians have come to ...
        They don’t know how to make flat towers, but the tank promising to be a BREAKTHROUGH in the WORLD TANKING, did ...
      17. RBLip
        RBLip April 22 2015 08: 14 New
        +3
        Quote: aktanir
        Даже у обитаемой башни модернизированной "Меркавы" вид намного более осмысленный, очень плоский, плавный и оригинальный.

        if you follow your logic, then this is the best development of all time ...
      18. Archon
        Archon April 22 2015 08: 26 New
        0
        they will finish it for several more years, and his appearance will change.
        but in general, on some poppy mail.ru the news is better framed than here, oddly enough.
      19. brdr
        brdr April 22 2015 08: 38 New
        +1
        go to tanks, play, the tactics of conducting a real battle is completely different from the game, get into it to start with 2 km. So successfully passed the tests in 2013 and accepted a large order for their production
        And read what dynamic protection is, although no, let's use depleted uranium so that the crew lives up to 50 years
      20. Deniska
        Deniska April 22 2015 09: 55 New
        +3
        aktanir

        Дорогой друг. Минусов ты конечно нахватал за зря... Не кто не оценил твоих эстетических взглядов. ))) Что касается "Арматы" то выводить на парад её надо пусть недруги смотрят, а что касается самой платформы и компановки - да сырая!!! еще очень сырая, но ничего доделают . Легендарный т-72 тоже немало "катали", а в итоге отличный "жареный хвост".
      21. gorge1945
        gorge1945 April 22 2015 10: 17 New
        0
        So you need to judge after application and its actions, at least after the training ground and not by layout.
      22. slava7075
        slava7075 April 22 2015 12: 43 New
        0
        Dear what time do you live? Flat, licked forms were previously taken into account since security systems were different. Now another concept of protection comes forward. Not passive (due to forms) but active (due to systems) tank protection. From that and such rude forms. Do you know what is hung and mounted there? No? Well then, leave your opinion for other cars.
      23. Storyteller
        Storyteller April 22 2015 14: 35 New
        0
        Under the awning, a bunch of beer crates were pushed to deform the silhouette. Surprise want to do.
      24. metronome
        metronome April 22 2015 18: 14 New
        0
        Диванный рентген.... Удивительное свойство некоторых "наших" - сидя за монитором суметь заглянуть под брезент на фото Арматы и выдать заключение, что: "башня таких больших размеров", "не удалось сделать компактным АЗ", и, главное - "даже у обитаемой башни Меркавы ВИД НАМНОГО БОЛЕЕ ОСМЫСЛЕННЫЙ, ОЧЕНЬ ПЛОСКИЙ, ПЛАВНЫЙ И ОРИГИНАЛЬНЫЙ...." Вот американцы-то радуются - У РУССКИХ ТАНК НЕ ПОЛУЧИЛСЯ!!!
      25. glasha3032
        glasha3032 April 22 2015 18: 40 New
        0
        The dimensions are embarrassing ... I remember, this was put at the forefront ... The Soviet school of tank building minimizes the dimensions, but here it is the other way around ... Does hope for dynamic protection prevail?
        1. Rex
          Rex April 22 2015 19: 36 New
          0
          Confused dimensions .. Soviet school of tank construction minimizes dimensions

          Only partly true.
          The growth of T-14 in height will be within 15% of the regular T-90. In width and length I think within 10%. Of course, this can be considered a huge increase.
          At the same time, modifications of the T-90 with a turret for urban combat or a remotely controlled machine-gun installation exceeded 2,6 m
      26. SAXA.SHURA
        SAXA.SHURA April 22 2015 19: 00 New
        0
        This is not Lamborghini to show off.
      27. Mirage
        Mirage April 23 2015 09: 49 New
        0
        Согласен с вами...Внешний вид не красив...Т-90 лучше... По функционалу и ТТХ пока ничего не ясно.. Но думаю , что "Армата" все таки получше будет...А из всего тут выложенного только автомобиль с "Корнетом", "Коалиция" и БМП на базе платформы относительно интересно выглядят. Вообще все коробчатое и угловатое. Не красиво.
      28. REXSTORZ
        REXSTORZ April 24 2015 01: 36 New
        0
        1) для этой башни разработали новейшую систему активной защиты "Афганит"
        2) This tank has the latest dynamic defense systems
        3) Also high strength steel
        4) increased crew protection from mines
        5) The crew is in a protected capsule
        6) Even the MTS tank gives additional protection
        7) When undermining the warhead, the crew will no longer die

        About the rest of the innovations, I don’t say sales) a lot right now, still under the bar, like the same tower so far
        May 9, we will see not much time left)

        Armata is an experienced modern development and of course it will be tested
        The first 72 samples, and for example the T72B3, are different machines by the power of an instrument of precision and crew protection, but for this to go, TIME must pass
        In modern warfare, the tank lives very little)) now tank 1 is not a warrior in the field
        it should be supported by artillery infantry aviation))

        remember the Battle of Kursk, Soviet troops in several hours began art preparation and a bunch of tanks were knocked out and disabled
        and it helped to win the victory over fascist Germany
  2. sever.56
    sever.56 April 21 2015 11: 57 New
    58
    Самое "вкусное" спрятано... И правильно: - тем эффектнее будет показ на параде Победы. Радость и гордость у нас, и шок и зависть у америкосов и прочих "друзей!"
    1. Enot_33
      Enot_33 April 21 2015 11: 59 New
      43
      Now the main thing is that all this beauty should enter the troops in full and in sufficient quantity.
    2. Stranger03
      Stranger03 April 21 2015 12: 20 New
      22
      After the 9 show on May, it’s necessary that our hockey players support the initiative and defeat everyone at the 2015 World Cup, laughing
      1. yehat
        yehat April 21 2015 12: 51 New
        +9
        this requires sports anger, and I suppose ours are more like well-fed geese
        1. Stranger03
          Stranger03 April 21 2015 12: 56 New
          +5
          At the 14 World Cup, they were angry, they put everyone out, I hope this will please us by taking everyone out of the brackets of the Russian hockey team. These are not t-shirts for you, laughing
          1. Byshido_dis
            Byshido_dis April 21 2015 13: 19 New
            19
            Oh yeah abrams is so similar to Armata ... How can tanks of two different generations be compared? Above is a common photograph of abrams in our time ...
            1. PN
              PN April 21 2015 14: 02 New
              14
              Is there a log in his trunk or something to burn, so that it burns better ???
              1. vit8180
                vit8180 April 21 2015 16: 56 New
                +8
                "Забил снаряд я в пушку туго...."
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            2. STALGRAD76
              STALGRAD76 April 21 2015 15: 52 New
              +8
              "Сверху обычная фотография абрамсов в наше время..." laughing subtly noticed ....
              Will it be so or not 57mm. BMP gun ????
              1. cast iron
                cast iron April 21 2015 16: 39 New
                -3
                Do you need a fig there?
              2. Dimka off
                Dimka off April 21 2015 16: 55 New
                +4
                Quote: STALGRAD76
                Will it be so or not 57mm. BMP gun ????

                Until the end, I hope that it will) if not now then later)
                1. cast iron
                  cast iron April 21 2015 19: 08 New
                  0
                  Even in the Second World War, the military was convinced that the tanks lacked even 76 mm guns. High-explosive action is not very much. And at 57mm, there are less total bulbs. Moreover, the ammunition of this bullet is unlikely to be more than 100 shells. Most likely even less.
                  1. Rex
                    Rex April 21 2015 19: 57 New
                    +2
                    High-explosive action is not very much. And at 57mm, there are less

                    The people are more impressed with its armor-piercing qualities, compared to 30 mm. In order to more likely knock out the enemy BMP. Well, a high-explosive action with the same caliber is compared.
                    For me, both options are acceptable.
                    57 чуть больше - просто "застолбить" первую серийную с подобным калибром smile
                    1. cast iron
                      cast iron April 21 2015 20: 54 New
                      0
                      And why do you think they installed Bahcha-U with a pair of 3mm guns and a 100mm machine gun on the BMP-30? Soviet designers like no one else figured out what weapons a Russian soldier needed.
                      Instead of 30mm, it is quite possible to put a 37 mm autocannon. To put one single 50mm hole punch with 50-80 rounds of ammunition is idiocy in its purest form.
                      The main problem with 57 mm autocannons is their small ammunition load, which cannot be increased in any way without reducing the airborne squad.
                    2. Rex
                      Rex April 22 2015 10: 16 New
                      +1
                      Why did they install Bahcha-U with a pair of 3mm guns and a 100mm machine gun on the BMP-30?
                      Personally, I have nothing against this. The option is complete.
                      Instead of 30mm, it is quite possible to put a 37 mm autocannon.
                      Controversial option. Globally does not add power.
                      To put one single 50mm hole punch with 50-80 rounds of ammunition is idiocy in its purest form.
                      I do not presume to judge. The experiments were at least three times. The series did not go.
                      The main problem with 57 mm autocannons is their small ammunition load, which cannot be increased in any way without reducing the airborne squad.
                      There is such a problem. The issue is under discussion. Priority goals, tactics and other things ..

                      Мир сейчас остановился на варианте 25-40 мм + ПТРК. Наши пока в "тренд" вписались. Дальше видно будет
                    3. demon is ada
                      demon is ada April 24 2015 20: 45 New
                      0
                      Intervening in your argument hi
                      In my opinion, a combination of 100 and 30 is the most effective.
                      To fight against an equal enemy - 30 mm will allow immobilizing, and with a 100 high-explosive mine a guaranteed defeat of both the enemy’s machine and what was inside. Short-barrel 100 has problems shooting at moving objects due to
                      1. Ballistics and low projectile velocity.
                      2. Low rate of fire due to the probability of a miss on a moving target.
                      With the support of the 30th infantry to defeat the open infantryman, and the hundredth is the most for fortified purposes (Mona and more laughing but the dimensions are not the same crying )
                      In the case of a BP in the form of a tank, again, the penetration power of the cumulative ammunition depends on the diameter, so 100 cum is more effective than RPGs. All the same, there is a good chance, especially from the bushes. laughing
                      ATGM on top of the armor is somehow not very good for me, a very huge probability of damage, and no one bothers to load the cornet on a carriage (Kalaburchcheg wassat ) and pull out if something happens ...
                      Well, I'm a retrograde request , I don’t accept everything ... but at the words from the mouth of a certain circle of prisoners such as innvatsy and so on. first a dipressnyak rolls on me, then I want to strangle someone repeat
              3. nemo778
                nemo778 April 22 2015 04: 30 New
                +1
                Ля!Почитайте историю ЗИС-2(57мм-конструктора Грабина). От которой почти отказались в41-м из за того, что она на начало войны пробивала все Немецкие танки на вылет!Не нанося большого ущерба экипажу!О ней экстренно вспомнили в конце 42-года когда появились Немецкие "кошки"!!! К" Курской дуге" все же, почти не успели! hi
                1. cast iron
                  cast iron April 22 2015 12: 01 New
                  0
                  Tanks were created to support the infantry. A 57mm fart as a supporting high-explosive club does not fit the infantry from the word at all. And the BC will be small - less than 100 shots. If in 1941 this was normal - they were charged manually, then for an auto-gun 80 shots in the BC is a sentence.
                2. psiho117
                  psiho117 April 22 2015 14: 41 New
                  0
                  Quote: nemo778
                  La! Read the story of the ZIS-2 (57mm designer Grabin). Which was almost abandoned in 41 due to the fact that at the beginning of the war it pierced all German tanks on departure

                  Again this nonsense ... That's it, read the story and teach the materiel - 57mm for the ZIS-2 had an armor-piercing shell weighing 3,14 kg, a cartridge case from a 76-mm division gun was used with re-compression of the cartridge case barrel from 76 to 57 millimeters.



                  A 57mm anti-aircraft gun is an independent caliber using a 57 × 348 mm SR projectile
              4. Dimka off
                Dimka off April 22 2015 10: 17 New
                +1
                Quote: cast iron
                Even in the Second World War, the military was convinced that the tanks lacked even 76 mm guns

                There are tanks to fight tanks.
                TBMP support tanks. A 57 mm caliber gun allows you to fight against any targets on the battlefield - even tanks. And bk will be more than 100 shots. The BMP Atom claimed 180-200 rounds.
                For the TBMP module with a caliber of 57 mm is an excellent solution.
                1. cast iron
                  cast iron April 22 2015 11: 59 New
                  0
                  No need to tell tales. 57mm gun does not allow to fight tanks at the level of anti-tank systems, especially since the ammunition of such a weapon in the BMP will be hardly more than 60-80 rounds. But the battle distance in comparison with a 30mm autocannon will increase to a maximum of 2km. And it's not a fact that on these 2km an armor-piercing projectile will be able to hit an 80mm side of the same T-72
                2. Rex
                  Rex April 22 2015 12: 20 New
                  0
                  on these 2km the armor-piercing projectile will be able to hit 80mm
                  The Italians claimed that their 60-mm gun penetrates 240 mm.
                  However, the range and stuff I do not remember
                3. Dimka off
                  Dimka off April 22 2015 12: 32 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Rex
                  The Italians claimed that their 60-mm gun penetrates 240 mm.

                  Very true. Here is an interesting photo.
                  40x255 mm telescopic shot, core and steel block pierced by it
                  According to unconfirmed reports, since 2011, we also have a gun for such ammunition. It's been 4 years now and I think that they brought it to mind.
              5. Dimka off
                Dimka off April 22 2015 12: 27 New
                0
                Quote: cast iron
                57mm gun does not allow to fight tanks at the level of anti-tank systems,

                Destroy does not allow. And then - depending on where it gets. But it can very well disable. And anti-tank systems are quietly installed on modules like Berezhka or like on the Terminator.
                Quote: cast iron
                the ammunition of such a weapon in the BMP will be hardly more than 60-80 rounds

                BMP Atom has a bit more - 180-200. It can be assumed (as you assume) that they will be the same in TBMP.
                Quote: cast iron
                But the battle distance in comparison with a 30mm autocannon will increase to a maximum of 2km.

                At the same Atom, the declared range of 6 km. I understand that accurate shooting at such a distance is difficult, but with good LMS an accurate battle of 3-4 km is quite real.
                Quote: cast iron
                And it's not a fact that on these 2km an armor-piercing projectile will be able to hit an 80mm side of the same T-72

                But this we can say then when we see this tool in action.
                And who else is poisonous fairy tales here you need to look.
              6. ILDM1986
                ILDM1986 April 22 2015 16: 57 New
                +1
                а почему выбор "или ПТРК или 57мм"? почему не поставить 57 мм с подкалиберными снарядами(поражать БМП/БТР), фугасами(поражать укрепления и навесное оборудование танков) и спец снарядами с дистанционным подрывом (поражать пехоту за укреплениями), а для танков пару ракет к ПТРК оставить? зачем валить в одну кучу все? В любом случае 30 мм уже явно не достаточно для поражения существующей бронетехники, да и против пехоты и укреплений она не очень эффективна, вопрос только в том до какого предела увеличивать калибр - на западе склоняются к 40 мм, почему же и нам не вернуться к 57 мм - пусть с новым снарядом?
              7. Dimka off
                Dimka off April 22 2015 17: 07 New
                0
                Quote: ILDM1986
                in the west they are inclined to 40 mm, why not return to 57 mm - even with a new shell?

                This is what I’m talking about. 57 mm powerful caliber allows you to solve a wide list of tasks.
              8. ILDM1986
                ILDM1986 April 22 2015 17: 54 New
                0
                that’s a lot of prospects, but the small thing is to develop a gun, a shell, a remote detonation system and put it all together in a modern module wink
              9. Dimka off
                Dimka off April 22 2015 20: 19 New
                0
                Well, the module seems to be there) But I'm not sure about the range of shells. And there who knows what they developed and what not smile
  • psiho117
    psiho117 April 21 2015 21: 39 New
    0
    Quote: STALGRAD76

    Will it be so or not 57mm. BMP gun ????

    No, the BMP will have a standard caliber of 30mm.

    a tower with 57mm is carried around the salons, but they don’t seem to plan on their equipment.
    And we have no modern ammunition at 57mm. What is - the junk of the 60s. About any development of new shells to 57mm is also not heard.

    И если вы так уж жаждете увидеть что-нибудь более "весомое" взамен 30мм - то это нам нужно новую пушку с телескопическим боеприпасом разрабатывать - заклятые "друзья", кстати, уже давно этим занимаются, у них вся последняя техника идёт с прицелом на замену существующих 25-30-35мм на телескопы 45-50-60мм.
    1. cast iron
      cast iron April 21 2015 22: 20 New
      -2
      Sworn partners both ride with 25mm bushmasters and 30mm reinforce metals, and they ride. Some Swedes are bobbing around with 40mm systems.
      1. psiho117
        psiho117 April 21 2015 22: 30 New
        0
        Quote: cast iron
        Sworn partners both ride with 25mm bushmasters and 30mm reinforce metals, and they ride. Some Swedes are bobbing around with 40mm systems.

        Now - yes, they go with the old ones. But telescopic ammunition and guns for them have been successfully developed and tested. And in the requirements for the development / modernization all promising foreign infantry fighting vehicles is the development of a tower with 2 guns - with the weapons already available for armament now \ for export, and with a telescope replacement when the gun is ready for serial production.
    2. Dimka off
      Dimka off April 22 2015 10: 24 New
      0
      Quote: psiho117
      a tower with 57mm is carried around the salons, but they don’t seem to plan on their equipment.


      Are planning
      http://army-news.ru/2015/02/bmp-i-btr-poluchat-korabelnuyu-pushku/
  • taram taramych
    taram taramych April 21 2015 14: 48 New
    +1
    This is a sport. How will we be ill?
  • igorka357
    igorka357 April 21 2015 18: 22 New
    +2
    You don’t seem to be on the subject of hockey at all, so if Che ... Russia in hockey takes the leading place in the world championships, starting with the fantastic finals of 2008, our team drills almost everyone in a row, for a rare case! Learn the mate part! And all who you instructed the pluses also in the Stopudovo topic! And the fees for hockey players are much less than for our players even taking into account the NHL contracts, the difference is that hockey players are happy and they are constantly dragging gold, but in football it’s generally bad !!!
    1. cast iron
      cast iron April 21 2015 22: 21 New
      0
      True, they have not been able to win the Olympics for what decade ((
  • perfect100
    perfect100 April 21 2015 14: 28 New
    +1
    And when is the finale?
  • Finches
    Finches April 21 2015 13: 17 New
    19
    Somewhere sad one black little girl ....! laughing
    1. taram taramych
      taram taramych April 21 2015 14: 52 New
      +7
      Quote: Finches
      Somewhere sad one black little girl ....!

      Chewing gum, picking his finger in repeat ... nose. lol
    2. Bort radist
      Bort radist April 21 2015 17: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: Finches
      Somewhere sad one black little girl.

      The boy wants to Tambov!
      1. Finches
        Finches April 21 2015 19: 53 New
        +1
        The boy wants to go to the Parade, but he is not allowed in by the old grandfather - the senator, the hero of the battle of Hanoi and his comrades! laughing
  • xenod55
    xenod55 April 21 2015 12: 00 New
    23
    Well, Americans and Psheks and all sorts of other p ..... ki. watch your telly eyes do not drill with envy. We were afraid to come to the Victory Parade. Oh and will drive you.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS April 21 2015 13: 14 New
      +3
      Quote: xenod55
      Well, Americans and Psheks and all sorts of other p ..... ki. watch your telly eyes do not drill with envy. We were afraid to come to the Victory Parade. Oh and will drive you.

      that’s how I think the good part of all people think that they will gather on Red Square, will be spies taking pictures of all this, filming on video and so on ...
  • aktanir
    aktanir April 21 2015 12: 02 New
    +6
    "Армата", честно говоря, как-то не очень удовлетворяет своим внешним видом - он слишком классический. В целом, довольно-таки громоздкий танк, плюс квадратные формы. Разработчики то ли слишком на навесную броню надеются, то ли что-то еще. Впрочем, поживем - увидим, мы же не знаем его характеристик. Но на фотографиях-"прогнозах" танк был куда лучше "нарисован". Перспективная БМП и вовсе "Бредли" напоминает. Разумеется, я не критикую, но разработчики могут и наделать ошибок, они тоже, как говорится, люди.
    1. ilya_oz
      ilya_oz April 21 2015 12: 13 New
      +9
      On models, only the tower was flattened, and the body is quite ordinary. What can be changed in it?
      1. BDRM 667
        BDRM 667 April 21 2015 13: 09 New
        +5
        Quote: ilya_oz
        On models, only the tower was flattened, and the body is quite ordinary. What can be changed in it?

        Поставить на "воздушную подушку" lol

    2. Albert1988
      Albert1988 April 21 2015 12: 18 New
      +8
      Quote: aktanir
      Too bulky tank

      And what is actually bulky in it? You’ll look at Lera with Leo, or at Morkrvka the fourth - it’s cumbersome there ...
      Quote: aktanir
      The developers are either hoping for hinged armor too much, or something else.

      His forehead is quite his own, and from the sides - it’s clear that only dynamic protection and side screens
      It is much more interesting how many armata (tank) crew members are - there are two of them visible, but there are also only 2 hatches ...
      1. REZMovec
        REZMovec April 21 2015 12: 37 New
        -8
        How many people are in the carriage is not so important. It is important that the promised armored capsule with the in-line arrangement of the crew is not fulfilled. Look at the placement of the commander and driver.
        1. Rex
          Rex April 21 2015 12: 43 New
          11
          It is important that the promised armored capsule with the in-line arrangement of the crew is not fulfilled.

          And someone officially promised to put the crew shoulder to shoulder?
          1. ilya_oz
            ilya_oz April 21 2015 19: 50 New
            +2
            Maybe they are sitting with the letter V? It is unlikely that three in a row will fit in the width of the tank.
        2. Albert1988
          Albert1988 April 21 2015 12: 44 New
          +7
          Quote: REZMovec
          How many people are in the carriage is not so important.

          This is also important - if there are two of them, then the gun aiming process could be fully automated. and this is a serious step.
          Quote: REZMovec
          It is important that the promised armored capsule with the in-line arrangement of the crew is not fulfilled. Look at the placement of the commander and driver.

          Why not done? and where are they sitting? in the tower or something, near the BC? Look carefully and understand that everything is normal with an armored capsule))))
      2. cast iron
        cast iron April 21 2015 16: 57 New
        +2
        Abrams is not such a bulky tank. Leopard, Challenger and Merkava will be more, and most importantly higher.
    3. Evgeny_Lev
      Evgeny_Lev April 21 2015 12: 22 New
      +6
      the impression is that you are a restaurant critic, like in Ratatouille.
    4. just exp
      just exp April 21 2015 12: 52 New
      +7
      I also liked the futuristic render of Almaty more, but the graphics are one thing, and the reality is different, the main thing is what is the filling and armor with KAZ.
      not much outwardly liked the boomerang, it looks more like a combat buggy.
      but Kurganets just liked me by sight, but the heavy infantry fighting vehicle is also nothing, I can’t understand what exactly Bradley reminded you of, nothing in common.
    5. REZMovec
      REZMovec April 21 2015 13: 00 New
      -12
      Не просто громоздкий - огромный по сравнению с прежними нашими танками. Теперь больше "абрашки", что не есть гуд... А то, что квадратный, так это КАЗ.
      1. Byshido_dis
        Byshido_dis April 21 2015 13: 04 New
        +3
        where is he more?
      2. Rex
        Rex April 21 2015 13: 11 New
        +2
        Not just bulky - huge compared to our previous tanks.

        С какими прежними? Т-10 был выше 2,5 м. Т-90 менее 2,3 м. Считают обычно по крыше башни. Т-14 будет по крыше 2,5-2,6. Со всеми "приблудами" видимо 2,7-3 м.
        1. ssergn
          ssergn April 21 2015 17: 30 New
          0
          On vpk.name we figured that there will be 2,61 m on the roof of the tower.
      3. ssergn
        ssergn April 21 2015 17: 28 New
        +2
        That is, you have the linear dimensions of the T-14, which can be compared with abrashkoy? Not? Stupidly?
        1. Rex
          Rex April 21 2015 18: 46 New
          +1
          there are linear dimensions of the T-14, which can be compared
          Approximate dimensions +/- 20 cm can be counted.
          For the base, take a figure in the hatch. Depending on the growth, it will be 1-1,2 m.
          At the same time, his head is at the level of the roof of the tower. The remaining sizes are similar.
      4. cast iron
        cast iron April 21 2015 19: 57 New
        0
        Abrams is not such a big tank as schoolchildren paint it on the Internet. Leopard 2 and Merkava more.
    6. yehat
      yehat April 21 2015 13: 17 New
      10
      Quote: aktanir
      "Армата", честно говоря, как-то не очень удовлетворяет своим внешним видом - он слишком классический. В целом, довольно-таки громоздкий танк, плюс квадратные формы. Разработчики то ли слишком на навесную броню надеются

      due to active armor, the need for perfectly clean tilt angles of armor is lost.
      There is a return to the concept of the Germans before the Second World War, when they were more interested in thickness than geometry.
      1. aktanir
        aktanir April 21 2015 13: 35 New
        +2
        Although I’m not an expert, I suspect the same thing as you. Thanks for the replica.
      2. cast iron
        cast iron April 21 2015 17: 00 New
        +1
        It is infinitely impossible to increase the slope of the VLD. And the sides on the caterpillar chassis make inclined unrealistic in principle.
  • Jan Krumins
    Jan Krumins April 21 2015 12: 20 New
    +5
    Respect to the engineers!
  • lelikas
    lelikas April 21 2015 12: 22 New
    +7
    Quote: maxxlll
    Lepota !!!!

    Only captions for the photo, composed by a wild ensign from the movie DMB.
    If you read them carefully, it is not clear whether to laugh or cry.
  • loki565
    loki565 April 21 2015 12: 23 New
    12
    As for the coalition: 6 rollers and 7 reinforcement. Unclear however
    1. Anatole
      Anatole April 21 2015 12: 32 New
      +9
      While temporarily installed on the platform (t90). the armature will be finished and there will be a full buffet table
      1. BDRM 667
        BDRM 667 April 21 2015 12: 54 New
        +5
        Quote: Anatole
        While temporarily installed on the platform (t90). the armature will be finished and there will be a full buffet table

        Не пишите пожалуйста слово "допилят" в отношении данных образцов.
        The word is not a good association.
    2. REZMovec
      REZMovec April 21 2015 12: 38 New
      +7
      Kaolitsiya on the t-90 chassis so far.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev April 21 2015 12: 46 New
        -35
        The tank on the basis of Almaty looks like a banal copy of Abrams. I still do not understand the whole BMP zoo - isn’t it easier to make a single BMP based on Almaty - the most protected? And what about this wheeled Boomerang - everyone already knows that it is not ours at all. And the Coalition was again castrated, removing the second trunk, without which it became inferior. In general, I am disappointed.
        1. just exp
          just exp April 21 2015 12: 54 New
          10
          only the dimensions can be in common with the abrashas, ​​the armata the tank is not small, the rest, well, nothing in common, one tower is much smaller than the car on the chassis of the abrasha.
          and BMP, there are 2 of them because the mass is different, and the tasks are different.
        2. Flooding
          Flooding April 21 2015 12: 58 New
          13
          Quote: Basarev
          And the Coalition was again castrated, removing the second trunk, without which it became inferior. In general, I am disappointed.

          Sorry to joke or seriously write this?
        3. Rex
          Rex April 21 2015 13: 02 New
          12
          The tank on the basis of Almaty looks like a banal copy of Abrams.
          One to one right after all ..

          this BMP zoo - isn’t it easier to make a single BMP based on Almaty - the most protected? And the marines at the same base? And for BB?

          And what about this wheeled Boomerang - everyone already knows that it’s not ours at all
          How is this known? From a joke on April 1st?
        4. yehat
          yehat April 21 2015 13: 03 New
          +7
          Quote: Basarev
          The tank on the basis of Almaty looks like a banal copy of Abrams. I still do not understand the whole BMP zoo - isn’t it easier to make a single BMP based on Almaty - the most protected?

          There is an external similarity between the armature chassis and the abrams due to a number of fashionable solutions such as gratings, but inside they differ significantly.
          As for the BMP zoo, both light and heavy are needed for flexible logistics.
          For example, you don’t drive very hard in the Caucasus mountains, you don’t know how to swim in the heavy mountains, restrictions on roads and bridges are also important.
        5. VEKT
          VEKT April 21 2015 13: 20 New
          +3
          And you thought how to land a BMD on the basis of Almaty weighing forty tons, and what kind of transporters are needed for this?
        6. PROXOR
          PROXOR April 21 2015 15: 48 New
          +3
          Quote: Basarev
          I still do not understand the whole BMP zoo - isn’t it easier to make a single BMP based on Almaty - the most protected?

          Let me remind you the tasks of the APCs and BMPs are completely different. BTR only delivers. The BMP is a vehicle for direct support of infantry on the battlefield. Moreover, this BMP is made taking into account the bitter experience of operating the BMP-1 and BMP-2 in cities. DShK will not flash now. And not one RPG hit will withstand. Well, more than one shot and will not give.
        7. cast iron
          cast iron April 21 2015 21: 00 New
          +1
          Throw a trolling fan? ))) On which SPG two barrels? It is not practical, expensive and very expensive to maintain and operate.
          About Abrams generally argued nonsense.
          Зоопарка БМП нет. Есть универсальный "Курганец" и тяжелая БМПТ "Армата" для определенных целей.
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      3. bolat19640303
        bolat19640303 April 21 2015 13: 01 New
        +3
        Two options of Kurgan are presented. The differences are visible in the photo: cars No. 8 and No. 5 (or 3). Various towers, caterpillar tracks (No. 5 has an asphalt road), and the number 8 vehicle has various devices insulated on the bow and stern.
    3. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 April 21 2015 12: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: loki565
      As for the coalition: 6 rollers and 7 reinforcement. Unclear however

      "Ляпсус"от автора фотообзора,забыл упомянуть,что пока "Армата" существует только в виде танка.
      1. umah
        umah April 21 2015 15: 56 New
        +2
        "Ляпсус"от автора фотообзора,забыл упомянуть,что пока "Армата" существует только в виде танка.

        Присмотритесь получше: у Т-90 и более ранних на корпусе только один люк - для мехвода, здесь же на "Коалиции" командирский люк рядом с мехводовским (на фото за упором голова просматривается)
        1. Russian phoenix
          Russian phoenix April 22 2015 06: 12 New
          +1
          Quote: umah
          Присмотритесь получше: у Т-90 и более ранних на корпусе только один люк - для мехвода, здесь же на "Коалиции" командирский люк рядом с мехводовским (на фото за упором голова просматривается)

          Это говорит,что в "Коалиции",НА ПЛАТФОРМЕ Т-90, реализована концепция "капсулы жизни".

          Планируется,что серийные самоходки,будут на платформе "Армата",с семикатковой ходовой.
  • akmalinin
    akmalinin April 21 2015 12: 45 New
    +1
    To look in business.
  • Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock April 21 2015 17: 57 New
    +1
    Quote: maxxlll
    Lepota !!!!

    The most interesting cover ...
  • Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 April 21 2015 18: 54 New
    +3
    Most liked BMP-K-25 ... Although everyone is good !!!
    1. Flooding
      Flooding April 21 2015 19: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: Prapor-527
      Most liked BMP-K-25

      This is an armored personnel carrier. Photo BMP above.
      1. Prapor-527
        Prapor-527 April 21 2015 20: 44 New
        0
        Quote: Flood
        This is an armored personnel carrier. Photo BMP above.

        Возможно. Но "балаклавы" вводят в заблуждение... Спасибо, за замечание +...
    2. sereginaleks
      sereginaleks April 21 2015 19: 57 New
      0
      In nature, they are very different, apparently not photogenic. They rushed to the landfill in covers. Once I drove past the one standing by, slowly, so as to have a good view. How they looked at me as an enemy of the people.
      1. Prapor-527
        Prapor-527 April 21 2015 20: 51 New
        +3
        Quote: sereginaleks
        How they looked at me as an enemy of the people.

        Cars? So they are also patriotically savvy from the factory! .. The enemy is morally destroyed.
  • qwert
    qwert April 22 2015 13: 22 New
    -3
    Bnfr So what do we have? Tank on 7 rinks with a high and, apparently, inhabited tower. The gun is new, but with a shorter barrel. The caliber is larger than 125mm, or the barrel is generally short, which cannot be in principle. The tower is welded. Those. Western influence is felt, it is very controversial that this is good. Large engine compartment. Strange, our engine-transmission unit has always been able to be compact. Judging by the size, there is at least 2000l.s. should be. But I think that in the case between the fighting and engine rooms there is an automated combat station.
    Heavy platform. She rude the eye. Our native profile comes from the BMP-1, good angles of the frontal projection, good protection. Well done.
    Light platform Kurganets-25. Horror. Box on the tracks. In the style of the freak M-113. Powerful spaced armor from the sides. Not rational angles. I see this car in urban battles, and nowhere else.
    Wheel platform. After the handsome BTR-70 and BTR-80, a terrible freak in a European manner. Made with protection against mines, then inside is irrational. Good for patrol and police functions. Would suit the Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan. But as a classic armored personnel carrier, it’s absurd. In addition, it is high and, apparently, is not very seaworthy. The Marines will have to stay on the good old APCs.
    Self-propelled gun. What can I say? Well done. I am sure that the characteristics will be excellent.
    1. Rex
      Rex April 22 2015 13: 58 New
      +2
      with a tall and, apparently, inhabited tower.
      The gun is new, but with a shorter barrel. The caliber is more than 125mm, or the barrel is generally short, which cannot be in principle.
      Large engine compartment. Strange, judging by the size, there is a minimum of 2000l.s. should be.
      Light platform Kurganets-25. Horror. Box on the tracks. In the style of the freak M-113
      I see this car in urban battles, and nowhere else.
      Wheel platform. After the handsome BTR-70 and BTR-80, a terrible freak in the European manner.
      Self-propelled gun. What can I say? Well done. I am sure that the characteristics will be excellent.

      The deepest analysis ... In the face of many years of practical experience and knowledge of armored vehicles designs over the past decades ...
    2. ILDM1986
      ILDM1986 April 22 2015 17: 05 New
      +2
      Oh, another grandma Wang has come. Late, old
      Quote: qwert
      Bnfr So what do we have? Tank on 7 rinks with a high and, apparently, inhabited tower. The gun is new, but with a shorter barrel. The caliber is larger than 125mm, or the barrel is generally short, which cannot be in principle. The tower is welded. Those. Western influence is felt, it is very controversial that this is good. Large engine compartment. Strange, our engine-transmission unit has always been able to be compact. Judging by the size, there is at least 2000l.s. should be. But I think that in the case between the fighting and engine rooms there is an automated combat station.
      Heavy platform. She rude the eye. Our native profile comes from the BMP-1, good angles of the frontal projection, good protection. Well done.
      Light platform Kurganets-25. Horror. Box on the tracks. In the style of the freak M-113. Powerful spaced armor from the sides. Not rational angles. I see this car in urban battles, and nowhere else.
      Wheel platform. After the handsome BTR-70 and BTR-80, a terrible freak in a European manner. Made with protection against mines, then inside is irrational. Good for patrol and police functions. Would suit the Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan. But as a classic armored personnel carrier, it’s absurd. In addition, it is high and, apparently, is not very seaworthy. The Marines will have to stay on the good old APCs.
      Self-propelled gun. What can I say? Well done. I am sure that the characteristics will be excellent.

      what a fellow you are, and then he saw a tower under a tarp, and the ammunition, and the dimensions of the engine! and for each car, without knowing the performance characteristics, tactics and strategy are already ready, handsome!
  • Yars
    Yars April 22 2015 14: 14 New
    0
    BEAUTY! JUST NO WORDS! WAITING FOR PARADE !!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Kunar
    Kunar April 24 2015 05: 27 New
    0
    More to such repeat
  • 0,5
    0,5 April 21 2015 11: 52 New
    +9
    See you soon at the Parade without covers
    1. Cossack Ermak
      Cossack Ermak April 21 2015 11: 59 New
      25
      Quote: 0,5
      See you soon at the Parade without covers

      The troops would see.
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 April 21 2015 12: 41 New
        +3
        Quote: Cossack Ermak
        The troops would see.

        I hope that we will soon see that there was an article on the site that the plant in Kurgan, which Kurgan is doing, received a huge order for promising equipment ...
        So God forbid, God forbid ...
        1. gorsten79
          gorsten79 April 21 2015 15: 26 New
          -1
          A huge order is how much? Pieces 350-400 a year. Then it will be like in the USSR. Then 150-200 BMPs a month were driven to KMZ. Of course the cars are different and the possibilities are also. I remember the story was about the appearance of BMP-3 at the 1990 parade . There’s something they didn’t bring to mind over the cannons and they put some kind of word not to pick up. The type of box is valid but outdated. There is no time to watch this parade now, but it was interesting.
          1. Rex
            Rex April 21 2015 16: 17 New
            +2
            A huge order is how much? Pieces 350-400 per year.
            By the standards of the last 20+ years, this is a lot. At $ 2-3 million per car - good money.

            like in the USSR. Then 150-200 bmp a month drove
            Прикиньте всю "броню" на озвученные 40 бригад, ну ещё плюс ВВ. Даже указанными выше темпами там работы всего лет на 5. А собирались лишь 70% техник заменить
    2. Imperial
      Imperial April 21 2015 12: 44 New
      +3
      See you soon at the Parade without covers
      Maybe earlier, Moscow Region officially invited the press to one of the rehearsals.
  • yanus
    yanus April 21 2015 11: 54 New
    13
    4-wheel BTR puzzles with its appearance
    1. Edge_kmv
      Edge_kmv April 21 2015 12: 00 New
      +5
      Too tall. Probably 1.5 times higher than before
      1. Rex
        Rex April 21 2015 12: 06 New
        +3
        Too tall. Probably 1.5 times higher than before.

        BTR-80/90 under 2,5 m. And this one will not differ much +/- 20-30 cm.
      2. sergey32
        sergey32 April 21 2015 12: 15 New
        +2
        Can the calculation of the effectiveness of KAZ?
        1. just exp
          just exp April 21 2015 12: 55 New
          +1
          KAZ on a boomerang? I haven’t read anything like this anywhere. they didn’t even want to put it on Kurganets.
    2. FAZE
      FAZE April 21 2015 12: 01 New
      +4
      Интересно, это что, "бумеранг"?Вопрос к знатокам- что собираются делать с выступающими и довольно уязвимыми, на мой взгляд, элементами подвески?V-образность это конечно хорошо, но не в ущерб надежности же...
    3. Albert1988
      Albert1988 April 21 2015 12: 01 New
      +3
      Quote: yanus
      4-wheel BTR puzzles with its appearance

      I was puzzled by something else - I, of course, is an ignoramus, but is it really possible for a T-14 tank based on armata to have 2 (!) Crew members? or just for the third did not make their hatch? Enlighten anyone in the know?
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т April 21 2015 12: 07 New
        +3
        3-й, наверное, через "десант" влазит/вылазит laughing
      2. Rex
        Rex April 21 2015 12: 09 New
        +3
        Does a T-14 tank based on an armata have 2 (!) crew members? or just for the third did not make their hatch? Enlighten anyone in the know?

        There are no people here who really know.
        According to rumors, 2 crew members initially voiced. As in fact - it is not known. Maybe the third one just doesn’t have a separate hatch.
        1. sasha-bort
          sasha-bort April 21 2015 12: 29 New
          +6
          There is no hatch for the gunner. For him, only viewing triplexes.
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 April 21 2015 12: 36 New
            +1
            Quote: sasha-bort
            There is no hatch for the gunner. For him, only viewing triplexes.

            In this case, is there any information what is the reason for this?
            1. sasha-bort
              sasha-bort April 21 2015 12: 46 New
              +4
              Due to numerous photographs. If you look closely between the CT hatch (tank commander) and the MV hatch, you can see the triplexes, but there is no hatch. (There is a suspicion that the hatch is special for the gunner at the bottom of the tank, but this is humor :))
            2. Rex
              Rex April 21 2015 12: 46 New
              +2
              In this case, is there any information what is the reason for this?

              if there are three of them, then there’s not enough room for a third hatch
      3. Echelon
        Echelon April 21 2015 12: 26 New
        +1
        gunner through the commander’s hatch, I venture to speculate.
      4. Ramzaj99
        Ramzaj99 April 21 2015 17: 57 New
        +3
        Quote: Albert1988
        I was puzzled by something else - I, of course, is an ignoramus, but is it really possible for a T-14 tank based on armata to have 2 (!) Crew members? or just for the third did not make their hatch? Enlighten anyone in the know?

        Judging by the location of the triplexes, I venture to suggest that the crew members are rather three than two.
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      6. AlexG83
        AlexG83 April 21 2015 20: 02 New
        0
        What is there to think, two climb through one at a time (commander and gunner). The driver has his own hatch.
    4. s1н7т
      s1н7т April 21 2015 12: 11 New
      +4
      Is this the 4-wheel armored personnel carrier? Which with ATGM is not an armored personnel carrier, but which armored personnel carrier - it has 8 wheels, in my opinion laughing
      1. Pers314
        Pers314 April 21 2015 12: 26 New
        +5
        Nine wink 1 spare smile
        1. s1н7т
          s1н7т April 21 2015 19: 43 New
          0
          Right now! Each side has its own reserve, as it always has been, total - 10 laughing
  • FAZE
    FAZE April 21 2015 11: 54 New
    23
    Well ... it looks solid. At least they have already hung on the armature of the side. It is much more interesting that under the tarp. So, I declare the tank escrow open!
    1. An60
      An60 April 21 2015 11: 57 New
      +8
      We are waiting, s. To see they are accumulating in themselves .... the material. laughing
    2. ver_
      ver_ April 21 2015 12: 01 New
      0
      ..has an armata not not a mestizo - a tank with a terminator ...
    3. Imperial
      Imperial April 21 2015 12: 06 New
      +3
      So, I declare open tank tank!)
      Yesterday already ... wherever possible ... in Israel and on warline and in the states for military, and even in a couple of well-known LJ, so there finally darkness)))
  • Rurikovich
    Rurikovich April 21 2015 11: 57 New
    12
    Ну вот, а то криков было, что "Арматы" не будут на Параде! Всё будет для тех, кто умеет ждать!С удовольствием буду смотреть Парад Победы в Москве!!! там столько всего нового покажут!!! good
  • REXSTORZ
    REXSTORZ April 21 2015 11: 57 New
    +5
    What a beautiful technique))) oh I hope for the fighting qualities will be identity 1 in the world)
  • Good cat
    Good cat April 21 2015 11: 58 New
    10
    а как это понимать:"Артиллерийская установка, использующая шасси "Арматы" для передвижения."? У Арматы 7 катков, на фото у Коалиции 6.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 April 21 2015 12: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: Good cat
      а как это понимать:"Артиллерийская установка, использующая шасси "Арматы" для передвижения." . У Арматы 7 катков на фото 6

      It seemed like infa was that it was an export version of the coalition, and it was mounted on a T-90 / T-72 chassis converted, since they won’t send armature for export ... But I don’t know how true it is, alas ...
    2. sasha-bort
      sasha-bort April 21 2015 12: 33 New
      +1
      В дальнейшем "коала" будет на шасси "Арматы". Для парада не успели, поэтому используется полностью переделанное шасси т-72/т-90 (экипаж сидит изолированной капсуле)
  • pomegranate
    pomegranate April 21 2015 11: 59 New
    +3
    Why does the coalition have 6 rinks if it is based on Almaty?
    1. lukke
      lukke April 21 2015 12: 09 New
      +2
      Why does the coalition have 6 rinks if it is based on Almaty?
      Это не принципиально: 6 или 5. МТ-ЛБ и "Гвоздика" и много чего другого, тоже одна платформа, а кол-во катков разное
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  • Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 April 21 2015 11: 59 New
    +3
    It's nice to see - the eye pleases ... we are waiting for May 9 !!!!!!! can't wait to get acquainted with TTX soldier
  • SRC P-15
    SRC P-15 April 21 2015 11: 59 New
    +7
    Артиллерийская установка, на снимке, написано что на шасси "армата", а почему катков всего шесть?
    1. ilya_oz
      ilya_oz April 21 2015 12: 14 New
      +1
      Mistaken, probably.
    2. KBR109
      KBR109 April 21 2015 12: 15 New
      +1
      Here the TTX of the barrel itself (artillery system) is much more interesting. Well, ammunition, of course.
  • Vezhchel
    Vezhchel April 21 2015 12: 00 New
    0
    Why are the towers covered?
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null April 21 2015 12: 14 New
      +7
      "Чтобы дураки не лазили" (с) анекдот laughing

      А есть еще такое слово - "интрига".. "завлекалочка" по-русски wink
    2. tagir.safin
      tagir.safin April 21 2015 12: 30 New
      +2
      May 9 will only remove the covers!
    3. yehat
      yehat April 21 2015 13: 12 New
      +1
      so that the birds do not heat up, so that it is not necessary to wash again and against other accidents
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh April 21 2015 12: 00 New
    0
    How many rollers does the universal Armata platform have?
    The tank counted 7. The self-propelled guns - only 6.
    Or are there two universal platforms?
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 April 21 2015 12: 09 New
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      The tank counted 7. The self-propelled guns - only 6.
      Or are there two universal platforms?

      The answer is simple - self-propelled gun is clearly not on the chassis of the armata, a mistake
      1. bmv04636
        bmv04636 April 21 2015 12: 25 New
        +4
        It seems that the SPG Coalition on the T-90 platform
        1. sasha-bort
          sasha-bort April 21 2015 12: 43 New
          +1
          Or rather, the completely redesigned t-72 / t-90 chassis. The crew is in an isolated capsule.
    2. tchoni
      tchoni April 21 2015 12: 11 New
      +1
      The diameter of the rollers is the same, it feels like different. But the platform is the same. Most likely the chassis of the self-propelled guns were somewhat shortened, saving weight
    3. Rex
      Rex April 21 2015 12: 13 New
      +2
      The tank counted 7. The self-propelled guns - only 6.

      Well, as if the MO comment does not state that exactly this Koala sample on the same chassis. And on the other hand, the same Helik and 2 and 3-axle, and the chassis is one.
      1. sasha-bort
        sasha-bort April 21 2015 12: 49 New
        +2
        Это точно не шасси "Арматы" по форме катков понятно
    4. bars280
      bars280 April 21 2015 12: 15 New
      +3
      a coalition is an art installation, not a platform. apparently it was installed on the t 72 chassis.
      Later will be installed on the armature
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    7. yehat
      yehat April 21 2015 13: 22 New
      +2
      The correct answer is the arithmetic mean!
      On some models on the right there are 7 rollers, on others - on the left)))
      and there are retractable aircraft landing gears
    8. ultra
      ultra April 21 2015 15: 02 New
      0
      Self-propelled guns while on the T-90 chassis.
  • Anti-ukra
    Anti-ukra April 21 2015 12: 00 New
    +4
    Красиво...... хочется реакцию наших "партнёров" услышать .
  • Zhaman-Urus
    Zhaman-Urus April 21 2015 12: 01 New
    +3
    The frontal projection of the wheeled armored personnel carrier is just a simulator for beginner grenade throwers it is very difficult to miss.
    1. Enot_33
      Enot_33 April 21 2015 12: 05 New
      +3
      BTR is not a breakthrough and fighting machine at the forefront. he has other tasks.
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т April 21 2015 12: 16 New
        +5
        And under the photo there is an inscription - for supporting the motorized rifle squad with fire. Will it be in the rear, or will they support us brazenly? crying
      2. yehat
        yehat April 21 2015 13: 25 New
        0
        however, it would be much nicer for these tasks to include some application of frontal armor: for example, to withstand a heavy machine gun or a high-explosive grenade.
      3. igorka357
        igorka357 April 21 2015 18: 48 New
        0
        You only guys who fought in Grozny, and burning on the armor or under the armor of the BMP-BTR, do not blurt out this ... okay?
    2. ilya_oz
      ilya_oz April 21 2015 12: 15 New
      +1
      Its height is not very different from older models, whose armor even machine-gun fire could not stand.
    3. cast iron
      cast iron April 21 2015 17: 06 New
      0
      Очень легко промазать, когда по тебе стреляют из крупнокалиберного пулемета в упор. А 300м для крупного калибра - это как раз и есть "в упор". Попробуй подбей из гранатомета в упор хотя бы БТР-80 в лоб. Я на тебя героя посмотрел бы.
  • evgeny1td
    evgeny1td April 21 2015 12: 01 New
    +3
    What a beautiful technique!
    Exceeded all my expectations.
    The prestige of the army and defense will rise. smile
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 21 2015 12: 19 New
      +8
      Quote: evgeny1td
      What a beautiful technique!
      Exceeded all my expectations.

      Well, you look - through time, space and tarpaulin!
      1. evgeny1td
        evgeny1td April 21 2015 14: 18 New
        +5
        Well, the rest I completed in my head. soldier
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 April 21 2015 15: 19 New
          +8
          Quote: evgeny1td
          Well, the rest I completed in my head.

          Imagination always draws for the better. That's why I am for books and long skirts! good
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet April 21 2015 17: 48 New
          +3
          Quote: evgeny1td
          Well, the rest I finished in my head

          Well then, let it be as your imagination finished - beautiful and unexpected! wink
  • navara399
    navara399 April 21 2015 12: 01 New
    +2
    Got a lot of positive emotions. We are waiting for the parade!
  • DMoroz
    DMoroz April 21 2015 12: 01 New
    +6
    Covers along the way will be removed only by May 9, the more interesting it will be to see ...
  • Decathlon
    Decathlon April 21 2015 12: 03 New
    +4
    Ah, I wanted to join the army! soldier It’s a pity they won’t take it because of age and sores ... crying
  • Gomunkul
    Gomunkul April 21 2015 12: 04 New
    +2
    I have a question about the Coalition-SV, under the photo there is an inscription that it is on the chassis of Almaty, but Almaty has 7 rollers, and the Coalition has 6? Please explain.
    1. sub307
      sub307 April 21 2015 12: 24 New
      +2
      Вот и у меня тот же вопрос. А я сначала подумал , что ракурс не тот, или "крыша поехала" у меня. Может такое быть: шасси одно, а количество опорных катков различное?
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  • tchoni
    tchoni April 21 2015 12: 09 New
    +1
    It seems to me or in the armature of the hatch for the gunner did not provide?
  • Cran644
    Cran644 April 21 2015 12: 10 New
    +1
    8-и колесный по-моему высоковат, вероятность попадания в него выше, или ничего? Передняя "крышка" (не знаю как назвать) откидывается что-ли? А так новость радует, лишь бы не только для парадов и выставок а по прямому назначению - в войска, можно поближе к западным рубежам.
  • Bayonet
    Bayonet April 21 2015 12: 11 New
    +2
    These are not pictures, but half-shots! That's when the tarpaulin will be removed - there will be pictures.
  • Rossiyanin
    Rossiyanin April 21 2015 12: 11 New
    +6
    I want to go to the parade !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. Rex
      Rex April 21 2015 12: 21 New
      +2
      I want to go to the parade !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      There is such a flea market that you really can't see anything. It's easier to see somewhere on the route.
  • ltc22A
    ltc22A April 21 2015 12: 12 New
    +1
    Pleased soldier fellow good hi
    I can’t wait for May 9th.
  • Abbra
    Abbra April 21 2015 12: 13 New
    +1
    Come on, native army !!!! Forward! Scare enemies and make the souls of Russians happy!
  • ilya_oz
    ilya_oz April 21 2015 12: 16 New
    +1
    Бумерангов будет всего 3 штуки( (написано в "порядке прохождения бронетехники" на mil.ru)
  • Sars
    Sars April 21 2015 12: 17 New
    -8
    The width of the tank and BMP is huge! They are unlikely to fit on railway cars!
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 April 21 2015 12: 25 New
      +2
      At the parade, in addition to the armature, the T-90 will also pass, so I think it will be possible to compare, it seems to me that the width of the base itself is not much larger () if at all larger), and you can remove the side screens
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 April 21 2015 18: 54 New
        +1
        Screens for transportation on railway platforms why shoot, do not crawl into the tunnel))))?
    2. Rex
      Rex April 21 2015 12: 26 New
      +4
      The width of the tank and BMP is huge! They are unlikely to fit on railway cars!

      "Огромна" - это какая цифра? В вагонах их не возят, а на ж/д платформу уже поместились
    3. Evgeny_Lev
      Evgeny_Lev April 21 2015 12: 29 New
      +5
      here are the stupid constructor, huh?
      And customers are even dumber.


      PPC
      1. Sars
        Sars April 21 2015 12: 51 New
        +2
        And you ask the British how they carry their Challengers, the same designers are not the most stupid.
        1. cast iron
          cast iron April 21 2015 17: 45 New
          0
          You better tell me how old you are, and then all questions will disappear by themselves.
      2. Sars
        Sars April 21 2015 12: 51 New
        0
        And you ask the British how they carry their Challengers, the same designers are not the most stupid.
    4. greshnik80
      greshnik80 April 21 2015 12: 37 New
      +3
      You will not believe it, but they were transported on railway platforms. There are pictures on the Internet.
    5. perfect100
      perfect100 April 21 2015 16: 16 New
      +2
      Will fit! From this dimension and repel during the design.
    6. cast iron
      cast iron April 21 2015 17: 44 New
      +1
      Yes, yes, designers, engineers and military -. They created a huge whopper that cannot be transported. How old are you? Nine?
    7. Patton5
      Patton5 April 21 2015 18: 00 New
      +1
      The width of the tank and BMP is huge! They are unlikely to fit on railway cars!
      fool..... I think the meaning of the comment is clear to you? !!
    8. Ramzaj99
      Ramzaj99 April 21 2015 18: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: SarS
      The width of the tank and BMP is huge! They are unlikely to fit on railway cars!

      There are such things as customer requirements, i.e. Armed Forces
      And the basic requirements for heavy equipment, just relate to weight and size ratios. The tank should not be above a certain weight, so that the bulk of the bridges in the Russian Federation could support it.
      And any equipment MUST be placed on a STANDARD Railway. a platform.
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    10. igorka357
      igorka357 April 21 2015 18: 53 New
      +3
      Don’t listen ... all the design bureaus are fools ... they forgot that we’re dragging the train, you call them and say ... let them remake a bit, ok? Damn, how can you be so limited, huh?
  • vanavatny
    vanavatny April 21 2015 12: 18 New
    15
    happy holiday
  • Vs163
    Vs163 April 21 2015 12: 19 New
    +3
    Pride takes! I look forward to May 9th!
  • Echelon
    Echelon April 21 2015 12: 20 New
    +3
    Очень понравился БМП "Курганец 25". Не мог налюбоваться, какая защита, а в носовой части предусмотрен фальш-борт. Боковые системы АкЗа просто глаз радуют. Жду 9 мая.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 April 21 2015 12: 24 New
      +3
      Quote: Echelon
      a bow is provided in the bow


      This is a wave reflection shield. I would like to hope so.
      1. Echelon
        Echelon April 21 2015 12: 30 New
        +2
        At first I thought about it, but it seems to me that the cars are not floating, and the false side is lowered during the battle, to reduce the area of ​​damage to the front rollers. Although time will tell.
  • wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 April 21 2015 12: 22 New
    +1
    I hope the previous developments on the BTR-90 are also used.
    In terms of PMZ and transmission.
    Although again I see cardans with crosses going from the gearboxes of the bridge to the wheel gearboxes, as in previous armored personnel carriers. This fact upsets.

    1. Byshido_dis
      Byshido_dis April 21 2015 13: 09 New
      +2
      What's upset?
      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 April 21 2015 19: 55 New
        0
        Quote: Byshido_dis
        What's upset?


        I was hoping that there would still be more modern drives with CV joints.
        They rattle less (vibrate), they have more working strokes, less load on the transmission, more resource.
        So the suspension is more long-stroke and smooth. And this means the car will be better along the intersection.
        The angles of rotation of the wheels if the SHRUS are larger, which means the turning radius of the machine is less.
        Essential thing for a wheeled armored personnel carrier.

        Сразу для любителей орать про то,что пыльники рвутся,скажу что на "Нивах" эту проблему уже давно решили установкой специального кожуха.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 21 2015 20: 30 New
      +1
      Something Boomerang looks like a Frenchman and the design is thin, it doesn’t wake up a large internal volume, it’s bad that it’s not like that
      1. Rex
        Rex April 21 2015 20: 52 New
        +2
        Something Boomerang looks like a Frenchman

        At present, the matter is ordinary. They criticize Mears - he looks like an X-series.
  • Jacob_
    Jacob_ April 21 2015 12: 22 New
    +7
    How many military equipment has been reviewed from different countries, our most beautiful, nor anything superfluous.
  • prishelec
    prishelec April 21 2015 12: 23 New
    +3
    In Armata, the engine in the back, in my opinion, was gossip)) that the front and the tower are not inhabited or like, I would like to get acquainted for more, but in general the tank is beautiful and powerful good
    1. st25310
      st25310 April 21 2015 12: 59 New
      +2
      The tank has a rear, BMP front.
    2. just exp
      just exp April 21 2015 12: 59 New
      0
      no . in the course of all the same engine behind.
  • loki565
    loki565 April 21 2015 12: 23 New
    -5
    As for the coalition: 6 rollers and 7 reinforcement. Unclear however
    1. REZMovec
      REZMovec April 21 2015 12: 56 New
      22
      Как задолбали считальщики опорных катков на Коалиции - вы, м.л.я. хоть читаете предыдущие посты или так, абы ляпнуть? Десять раз одно и тоже - "а почему не семь?" По качану, для баранов!!!
      No offense, lifted up !!!!!!!!!!!!!
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 April 21 2015 18: 56 New
        +2
        And don’t say, I’m stupidly out of anger.)))) !!!
  • ViRUS-007
    ViRUS-007 April 21 2015 12: 26 New
    +2
    Ну что же выглядит заманчиво, уверен ветеранам, да и всем нам будет на что посмотреть, плюс продемонстрируем "партнерам" на 70-ти летие ВОВ современный кулак, что-бы "помнили" если что пойдет не так...
    жду ТТХ, ну и видео со стрельб по "виртуальному" противнику
  • niki233
    niki233 April 21 2015 12: 26 New
    +1
    Ugly .... for enemies laughing
  • Barakuda
    Barakuda April 21 2015 12: 26 New
    15
    Ha Armata! Ukraine rules. fool
    1. Byshido_dis
      Byshido_dis April 21 2015 13: 11 New
      +4
      Yeah, the whole tank platoon we are driving was on radio control in World War II. based on BT-7 tenks ... but just got to the point that there is a radio))
    2. tchoni
      tchoni April 21 2015 14: 30 New
      +4
      Do you know what they will say in the SBU after seeing this video? - how dare you speak Russian - and to his wall. Because smart people in dill are not needed .... We need mobile ... What would they ride ...
  • Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz April 21 2015 12: 33 New
    -1
    The coalition is clearly not represented on the Armat chassis
  • bender8282
    bender8282 April 21 2015 12: 34 New
    +3
    it's like a 34-ka and kv in the 1940 revolution in tank building!
  • Kastor
    Kastor April 21 2015 12: 35 New
    +4
    Опять, видимо, "озаботятся" америкосы ! После парада !
  • Egor Sergeevich
    Egor Sergeevich April 21 2015 12: 36 New
    +4
    It is necessary to send Ukrainians so that they zafotoshopili and presented to the West as an invasion))))
  • bender8282
    bender8282 April 21 2015 12: 37 New
    +5
    [quote = Baracuda] Ha, Armata! Ukraine rules. fool
    [/

    the main thing is that such war secrets are evil we are not kidnappers)))) soldier
  • greshnik80
    greshnik80 April 21 2015 12: 43 New
    +1
    А не перевернется ли этот бронеавтомобиль с "Корнетом" хоть на сколько-нибудь крутом склоне? Как-то у него центр тяжести высоковат. Не находите?
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 April 21 2015 12: 58 New
      +1
      Why on earth? Do you think that Korent weighs 2 tons or more, so that the center of gravity of a 5-ton tiger is shifted?
      1. Rex
        Rex April 21 2015 13: 14 New
        +4
        at the 5-ton tiger shift the center of gravity

        It with 6+ protection weighs even more - about 7 tons.
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 April 21 2015 13: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: Rex
          It with 6+ protection weighs even more - about 7 tons.

          Especially...
          1. Evgeny_Lev
            Evgeny_Lev April 21 2015 15: 12 New
            +1
            Comrade still forgot about the engine, which is located in front.
      2. igorka357
        igorka357 April 21 2015 19: 07 New
        +1
        In fact, the shift of the center of gravity depends more on the height and angle of inclination, of course the mass of the center of gravity has a big role, but not decisive! Suppose if you lift 500 kg on a steel pole fifty meters high, and tilt it by 50 ..)))) then these five hundred kilograms will easily flip your five tons, and there are about seven of them)))! But the developers are not fools, and everything is calculated for any installed modules !!
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    3. cast iron
      cast iron April 21 2015 17: 47 New
      +1
      Начнем с того, что забронированный по 6 классу "Тигр" вряд ли сможет въехать на крутой склон))))
      1. Rex
        Rex April 21 2015 18: 55 New
        +1
        что забронированный по 6 классу "Тигр" вряд ли сможет въехать на крутой склон))))
        У него с геометрической не очень.. Хотя сам двихок считай "грузовой" - и 10 тн утянет
        1. cast iron
          cast iron April 21 2015 19: 10 New
          0
          The engine will not drag 10 tons))) I do not understand the meaning of the ATGM on wheeled jeeps. They have very bad cross.
          1. Rex
            Rex April 21 2015 20: 03 New
            0
            I don’t understand the meaning of ATGM on wheeled jeeps
            Cheaper. I don’t see another meaning.
            Unless as an anti-tank reserve or as a base for the transport of portable.
            1. cast iron
              cast iron April 21 2015 22: 24 New
              0
              Although no, I repent of my lack of intelligence. If you imagine the Tiger with the ATGM as part of the column of army trucks on the march, then everything falls into place. In the face of the creation of a very cheap and appropriate means of countering enemy armored vehicles in columns, headquarters, regimental artillery.
            2. Russian phoenix
              Russian phoenix April 22 2015 06: 20 New
              0
              Quote: Rex
              I don’t understand the meaning of ATGM on wheeled jeeps
              Cheaper. I don’t see another meaning.


              А не лязгая гусеницами,тихо и скрытно подьехать, уничтожить противника,и так же скрытно "уйти" ? Вы такой смысл для себя не находите?
              1. Rex
                Rex April 22 2015 10: 24 New
                0
                не лязгая гусеницами,тихо и скрытно подьехать, уничтожить противника,и так же скрытно "уйти" ?
                He moves much quieter (he saw riot police first option).
                В остальном же.. ПТРК снайперская это винтовка - тихо выстрелить и уйти не получится, но как средство для быстрой переброски и затыкания "дыр" вполне.
  • Raider
    Raider April 21 2015 12: 43 New
    +4
    На втором снимке, тяжелая гусеничная платформа, что там под брезентом? Это тяжелый БТР или новый "Терминатор"?? Насчет "Арматы" узнать бы, что же оставили после того,когда военные потребовали снизить стоимость машины.С виду конечно ожидал, что-то более устрашающее и хищное!!! Но наверно "конфетки" все внутри!Надеюсь ресурс машины для модернизации большой и самое главное, that he will remain the best even after the West has built his peers-competitors. А появление его именно на празднике 9 мая, пусть будет его знамением в будущее. Пусть дальний "правнук" Т-34 станет таким же легендарным и знаменитым танком, как его "прадед"!
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 April 21 2015 13: 06 New
      +4
      Quote: Raider
      На втором снимке, тяжелая гусеничная платформа, что там под брезентом? Это тяжелый БТР или новый "Терминатор"??

      This is a heavy infantry fighting vehicle on the armature of the armata, and under the brescent it is clearly a combat module automated (possibly a new one with a 57mm gun),

      Quote: Raider
      Насчет "Арматы" узнать бы, что же оставили после того,когда военные потребовали снизить стоимость машины

      Пока ничего и не убирали - есть партия опытная - они и пойдут, это раз. два - военный ясно и чётко сказали, что откажутся только от того, что продемонстрирует свою ненужность в ходе испытаний, вполне возможно что ни от чего так и не откажутся, как и то, что стоимость машины просто завышена оборонщиками (они часто так делали со старой техникой) и не обусловлена "наворотами"

      Quote: Raider
      In appearance, of course, he expected something more frightening and predatory !!!

      Мой батя, проработавший уже около 50-ти лет на оборонном предприятии говорил всегда, что вопрос "красоты оружия - дело сотое, если оружие выглядит... не очень, но при этом эффективно, то и плевать"

      Quote: Raider
      I hope the machine’s resource for modernization is large and most importantly, it will remain the best even after the West has built its peers-competitors

      Об этом кстати сотрудники УВЗ и говорили - что стремятся создать платформу с большим модернизационным потенциалом, минимум на следующие 30 лет, а что касается о западных "конкурентах", то их пока и на горизонте не видно, и действительно интересно, чем ответят их танкостроители на армату...
      1. alleksSalut4507
        alleksSalut4507 April 21 2015 15: 45 New
        0
        Quote: Albert1988
        что касается о западных "конкурентах", то их пока и на горизонте не видно, и действительно интересно, чем ответят их танкостроители на армату...

        ... stolen ...
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 April 21 2015 16: 32 New
          0
          Quote: alleksSalut4507
          ... stolen ...

          Well this is a question for our competent authorities bully
      2. alleksSalut4507
        alleksSalut4507 April 21 2015 15: 45 New
        0
        Quote: Albert1988
        что касается о западных "конкурентах", то их пока и на горизонте не видно, и действительно интересно, чем ответят их танкостроители на армату...

        ... stolen ...
      3. Raider
        Raider April 21 2015 16: 10 New
        +3
        Thank! Detailed, concise, clear. Happy holiday! +
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 April 21 2015 16: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: Raider
          Happy holiday! +

          Thank you! You too, with the upcoming)
  • MDV
    MDV April 21 2015 12: 47 New
    +1
    Today, by the way, the night rehearsal of the parade from 22 hours. Only here there is no information whether the equipment will be :(
    1. MDV
      MDV April 21 2015 14: 45 New
      +1
      There will be no equipment today. Drivers will walk the legs route
  • Siga77
    Siga77 April 21 2015 12: 50 New
    +5
    Can not be! After all, all the latest Russian equipment was burned in the Donbas by the best Ukrovermacht army in the world from the beginning of time, at the same time destroying by the force of thought the quadrillion of our paratroopers. Well, they deceived, but I already believed ...)))
  • ydjin
    ydjin April 21 2015 12: 53 New
    +2
    We fix the armored shield of Russia! Thundering fire, sparkling with the brilliance of steel! soldier
  • Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat April 21 2015 12: 55 New
    -7
    На "земле" -да, есть что "людям показать" из действительно нового, созданного в настоящее время, а вот в "воздухе" увы-похвастаться особо нечем-все еще разработки "советской эпохи" и их "осовремененные" модификации...
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 April 21 2015 13: 17 New
      -1
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      "воздухе" увы-похвастаться особо нечем-все еще разработки "советской эпохи" и их "осовремененные" модификации...

      Well, do not tell me - PAK FA aka T-50 - already completely Russian, the 5th generation Soviet fighter - MIT 1.44 - was then sold to China ...
  • lelikas
    lelikas April 21 2015 12: 58 New
    0
    Quote: Basarev
    The tank on the basis of Almaty looks like a banal copy of Abrams. I still do not understand the whole BMP zoo - isn’t it easier to make a single BMP based on Almaty - the most protected? And what about this wheeled Boomerang - everyone already knows that it is not ours at all. And the Coalition was again castrated, removing the second trunk, without which it became inferior. In general, I am disappointed.

    In what place is he not entirely ours?
    The second barrel of course looked cool, but added less efficiency than was spent on it.
    The most secure is needed not always and not everywhere.
    The difference in the BMP and the armored personnel carrier of Kurgan is no longer clear - it’s the same machine anyway.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 April 21 2015 13: 21 New
      0
      Quote: lelikas
      The difference in the BMP and the armored personnel carrier of Kurgan is no longer understood - the same machine is still

      In modern realities, the difference is gradually erased
      1. psiho117
        psiho117 April 21 2015 22: 04 New
        0
        Quote: Albert1988
        Quote: lelikas
        The difference in the BMP and the armored personnel carrier of Kurgan is no longer understood - the same machine is still

        In modern realities, the difference is gradually erased

        The main difference between infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers now is a complex of weapons and the associated battle tactics. If there is a module with one or two machine guns on the remote control, then this is a battalion, it will deliver and land troops, and then leave. His armaments are, as a rule, for self-defense.
        А если пушка+пулемёт+ПТУР+СУО+системы связи и интеграции в "цифровое поле боя" - то это уже БМП. Она доставляет и высаживает мотострелков, а после остаётся с ними и прикрывает их огнём.
        Well, and accordingly, the armor for this is also heavier for the BMP, and the weight is more, and the landing force is less.
  • loki565
    loki565 April 21 2015 13: 00 New
    -6
    Quote: REZMovec
    Как задолбали считальщики опорных катков на Коалиции - вы, м.л.я. хоть читаете предыдущие посты или так, абы ляпнуть? Десять раз одно и тоже - "а почему не семь?" По качану, для баранов!!!
    No offense, lifted up !!!!!!!!!!!!!


    There wasn’t anything ... on the platform of the armata ....
    1. goose
      goose April 21 2015 16: 54 New
      +4
      Quote: loki565
      There wasn’t anything ... on the platform of the armata ....

      Well, put the tower on the armature, as I understand it, the diameter of the tower overhead is the same. All other parameters are better. And why, if it’s already driving, costs 2-3 times less per chassis.
      I thought that they weren’t fighting in the army, like I had an update of the OS on the fan for the uninterruptible power supply unit of the OMS ver. 100501 costs, and you only have the 100500 version, so my OMS is 9999 times better. Taxis - efficiency + radically new opportunities. The functionality is the same. At a cost determined. What new opportunities for artillery gives a new chassis?
      EMNIP no !!! Stop trolling !!!
      1. ILDM1986
        ILDM1986 April 21 2015 21: 17 New
        +2
        в ваших словах о "Коалиции" есть доля правды. НО хотя т-72 и его потомки долго еще будут в строю, суть "Арматы" в том что это новая универсальная боевая платформа. таким и был в свое время Т-72 - 40+ лет неоднократных модернизаций ОБТ (наши вплоть до Т-90МС + зарубежные-польские, словацкие, украинские...), десятки инженерных машин (БРЭМ, мостоукладчики, БМ разминирования, разграждения... ) , БМПТ, БМ огнеметчиков, ТОС, САУ, ЗСУ, ЗРК и много что еще. А универсальное шасси это удобство снабжения и удешевление производства. Если армия будет переходить на "Армату"- то и САУ тоже нужно строить на ее базе, иначе эффект будет несколько неполным. а следом и инженерные войска подтягивать под новый стандарт...
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          Zionist 8 April 21 2015 22: 02 New
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          will he also be at the tank biathlon?